January 9, 2025 • 19 mins
Want to keep depression away? Start with these basics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy, Sam and Jody after the show podcast.
We appreciate you hanging out with this a little bit
longer after the.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Show and today it's the Keep Depression at Bay podcast
in bit away if possible. Every single we've just touched
on this before, but let's go deep. Every single human
being experiences depression. Sometimes sometimes it's almost always there underlying.
Other times it just creeps in, and you know at
(00:26):
difficult times as that when that makes sense, when life
knocks you down. One that's very real that I can
recall is a postpartum was so real, unbelievably real to
me after the kids were born.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I remember that happening to you. And what's crazy about that?
Of course I'm not. You're the one who can speak
from the experience. You don't really realize it until someone says,
maybe this is what you've got, because it's like it's
such a strong filter that you see things through. I
guess it's bleak.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, it was very bleak. I had your sister came
over to the house to see. Uh. It was when
after Taylor was born, and she was like, I think
that you need to go outside. I had not been
outside for days. You know, newborn child, first time we're
doing that, and even something that small did help so
things to keep depression away. And at bay number one,
(01:19):
it's so crazy that it's the basics. You know, you
think about everything in life. If you've worked the basics,
that's the that's the foundation. Number one. A good night's sleep. Yeah,
you have to to think clearly to make clear, logical
and not emotional decisions. You have to have to be
well rested.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Sleep is body repair. That's really literally what your body's doing,
which is why you need.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
To sleep, mind repair to it's everything. Yeah, good night's sleep.
And I mean if you ever try to make a
big decision on very little sleep, it goes it lean,
it leans more negative or doubtful even and as.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You get older that's even more difficult. You know you
there were times where I could skate by on five
hours of sleep. Now and if I do that now,
it really clocks me later in the day. Yeah. By
the way, this is and this isn't human related, it's
dog related. But when Jody was reading up on the
dogs the other day because our oldest champ and you
said that it's sixteen to twenty hours of sleep per day.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
They can't sleep up.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
That's like almost literally sleeping all day time.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And I know he does that, but you see, they
need it.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
But that's your lesson from nature right there. Right, They're
not the ones having to think about it. It's not
late night TV keeping them up. You know, when they're tired,
they go to sleep. You know.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
The girls are at the house the other night, Taylor,
m and FEBEs and it was approaching eight, eight fifteen.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And oh I got late.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I came up and hugged them, and they knew what
that meant, like I'm about to go take a shower
and get ready for bed. And Phoebe said, it was
getting to me, mom's night time bedtime. That seems so lame,
but that is me trying to do basics and take
self care.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
You're also getting up an unusual early time, right, it's
in the morning.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I joke with the kids, my kids whenever it's like no,
don't call me after eight or it's a school night. Yeah,
you know, as an adult it's a school night, I
gotta go to bed exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Okay, So number one way to keep depression at bay,
not that you can you can't prevent it, but you
can help with the basics is having a good night's sleep.
Number two, regular exercise. That does not necessarily mean you
have to run a half marathon, right. It does mean
you are meant to move and get out and move,
and if you can't get out because of weather or whatever,
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move around your house. You're meant to move, you know.
Burst of exercise. It sends oxygen to your organs. You know.
I can remember times in my life when I was very,
very active, like when I worked at the health club
and something about that. I was on my feet all
day long and it was very busy, and at the
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end of the day, I did not feel tired. I
felt energized because of the movement.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, you know, yeah, and you're right, I think it's important.
A lot of people will avoid it because they're thinking,
I gotta push way, I gotta you know, like you said,
run or get out and jog for thirty minutes. None
of that. Really, walking is enough to make, you know,
a circulatory difference. I know it's not heavy cardio or
anything like that, but just moving is better, you know.
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I mean, for me, keeping the two workouts a week
that I have kept and sometimes I don't feel like
doing it, and it's it's more weight training than anything else,
and that's just fantastic. I'm doing that for physical strength
for the future. That's really what that's about for me,
is because I mean, I'm I am Type one, but
it does I'll tell you it'll bust stress too. I mean,
it really does.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
You know, type one diabetic. For anybody who's listening to
he always throws around the short terms. I'm a type one,
I'm a T one D.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, type one diabetic, get T one D. I love
that group.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I walked the other day and it was pretty chilly.
At first. I was really cold, and I was bundled up,
and I thought, why am I doing this? But the
fresh air is fantastic and by the end of it,
my body was warm and the temperature had gone down
the longer I was out there, you know, listening to
a podcast walking all of.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
That, I know this is semi related to that. It's
not exactly exercise, but just the sunshine itself.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Just like there are times I'd just go put myself
on the patio when it's a gorgeous day and the
birds are out, the ducks are out, and gusses in
the yard, and it's like that it's in itself, is like,
forget what you're worrying about.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
This is nice, right, that's like that's also about being
smart enough to change your surroundings. Yeah, you know, if
you're expecting to remain positive or even creative, change your surroundings,
go to a different place in the house or outside.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Well, sunlight's good for you, unless, of course, you're on
a medication that makes you extra sunlight sensitive. There are
some medicines to do that. But you know, sunlight is
the natural source of vitamin D. It is, you know.
And again, I'm sorry to keep using dogs as examples here,
but you know, it's okay. But you think of it
like both of our dogs when you'll open the door
and it's a beautiful day, the first thing they want
to do is they go out and they just PLoP
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right down in the sea, you know. And and so.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Again, Yeah, we have three, you're saying, both of the
big ones that have a shorter hair, the sparky, the
little one. He looks like a rug. He has like
three coats because he's a He has.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
A long haired chihuahua.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, long hair.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I don't think that's the word. She was looking for it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Anyway. Number one good night's sleep. Number two regular exercise.
You are meant to move. It doesn't mean you have
to be an Olympic athlete, but it does mean you
are meant to move, and you will find that it
pays dividends. It also is good for your brain. If
you have a lot on your mind, if you're stressed,
go walk, go exercise, and you'll feel it slipping away
from you. Again. It's the basics. Number three on the list. Nutrition,
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Eat good food. Eat good food. Try to eat food
that you prepare yourself, and do less pickup. We're in
a world.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's a difficult thing in the world today.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Most people do not have the time to be able
to cook like that, and in some cases it's a
lost art, you know. I mean, like Sam's quite the
cook and has been for a long time. But if
you've not, if that's not something that you've done. But
I'm sure you even struggle with that too. Rite as
much as you love to cook, the day runs out
and you're kind of like, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, there's days where you whip up something quick, but it's.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Like, yeah, just not now right, right? And I think
that's well the world.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
It's fun I feel blessed now. It's so funny. You
can't know this when you're little. But when I was
growing up, Murphy, we've talked about this a little bit
that my family, my parents were definitely blue collar. My
dad was definitely a blue collar. He was a carpenter.
And my mom there were times when she didn't work
at all, and there was it was very little going
out to eat, very little fast even less fast food.
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And she cooked all the time. And what did she
do at night when she when when she would teach
me to clean the kitchen and I was cleaning the kitchen,
she was fixing my dad's lunch for the next day
at work with our leftovers, so no leftovers did not
get you know, wasted. He ate them the next day
until they were gone, you know. And she made his lunch.
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I remember the pans. It looked like a cake pan,
and she would put foil over it. We didn't have
tapaware but until later, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
But anyway, that's why immediately.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Got you another cake there No anyway, what's so funny
is that I would I would be jealous or envious,
I guess is the word of families that I knew
got to go out to eat a lot, and now
he liked to do that, and we would do that
when we could afford it. But I'm so grateful for
that because it is a norm for me to go
to our pantry and fridge and to cook. I cook
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a few times a week.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You do, and you're a very good cook.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's just the traditional thing in me.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Even if you haven't shopped, there's something in there you
can make.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
It's true, it's fun, it's creative. So good nutrition. Eat
good food. Try to eat good food. It does matter.
It is one of those basics.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And you actually can do that eating out if you
just did just the choices that you make.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, correct. Number four. Engage in a hobby that has
nothing to do with your nine to five. Engage in
something that you like. I told Murphy that can I
tell this on the low Just the other day we
were talking about the new year, and I highly suggested
to Murphy, who is a workaholic who works all the time,
would work all the time if given, you know, extra
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hours in the day, please do something every day that
you enjoy.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Right, I mean, and what I enjoy is work. That's
the problem.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Great advice, Jerry, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Can just tell you a suggest I mean, I can't
live it, you know what, But I think the keyword
there is something that's not necessarily related to your work,
the flip side of that.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
And I was I don't remember which book it was
that I was reading recently, where the the author was
basically saying that following your passion is not always the
best advice for a career cry because sometimes your passion
is not something that's really gonna help make money for you.
It would be difficult to you know, to grow and
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do what you need to do, and then the thing
that you're passionate about you become less passionate about because you're.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Not Yeah, your passion can enrich your life. It does
not have to be your nine to five, right for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But you know, I mean, for me, it's probably just music.
Music is It's always been my great escape. It's probably
one of the greatest gifts that I would say that
my parents, especially my dad gave me because he was
always playing music in the house and had an appreciation
for it. And so I know that's not a hobby
that I'm doing hands on and creating something which is fine.
But you know, the other thing that's cathartic for me,
which we've been talking about on the show this week,
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is purging and getting rid of stuff and cleaning up
and simplifying. You know what I mean, when you're.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Gonna start doing that, you've been working too much?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, I have been, but little things, you know, things
like that that's not a work related thing. It's kind
of like you're saying, you.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Know, engaging a hobby, Engage.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
In a hobby. But like when you were saying, go
outside a minute ago, I think sometimes just stopping in
the moment where you're stressed out about something and changing
your scene or like you said, even if it's not
exercise related, is another relief. So whether it's just a
hobby or taking a breath for a moment to enjoy something,
or a song or two in your earbuds or something
that could make a difference.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So that was number four in the list. Engage in
a hobby. Number one. I'm a recan't recap good night's sleep.
Then at regular exercise you're meant to move number three.
Good nutrition number four, Engage in a hobby Number five,
limit alcohol consumption. It does not.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Got one, Yeah, me too. That's along the lines of
actually eliminating it from it. That's the ultimate limitation.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I can see that though, you know, I mean for
people who still partake. I do partake, and I enjoy it, and.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
There's nothing wrong with that, and partaking moderation is a
great thing. That's the thing is we know if you've
listened to us for a while that you know Sam
and I were not able to do the moderation. There's
no such word as moderation. So you know, stopping was
in my best interest. But I can tell you as
time is worn on, I certainly don't miss it. What
I really don't miss is the hangover, in the sluggishness,
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or the dehydration or anything else that kind of goes
along with it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It was there's a lot, there's a lot that's not
desirable that goes along with it.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Because I would I just remember going to parties and
you know, you think you're getting energized, but it's actually
working against you. And and then I would usually be
the one to accidentally shut the party down.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You know, I feel and I don't like to use
this word a lot, but blast because don't worry. I
don't have a desire at all anymore with the alcohol.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
With the alcohol.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah, that's good because I know there are people that
you know, it's it's most people. It's constantly there. But
it's like I don't have a craving. I don't have
a thought. I don't have a I don't like to
be around it, but I don't have a It's not
the thing that's like, oh, you know, maybe.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I could have a drink today, fantastic or look at that.
I'd love to try that. It's wonderful.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
It is literally gone from my head. But that's me.
That's right, me personally.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Right, and you are blessed for that.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And probably what's happened is I think you also, even
if you have the thought, you're just not how to
handle the thought. You don't fight the thought. Yeah you
know what I mean. It just comes and goes and
it probably doesn't taste good anyway.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Okay, not like us, right, I thought of you, Murphy.
You know, back staying with the alcohol discussion. On Christmas
Eve at our home where when Taylor made a gallon
of pomegranate martinis and a lot of us were I
was having them. My cousins were Taylor had you know,
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we were all partaking. I thought, for a one second,
I thought, I know, he's okay with this, or he
would out, he would say something, he would pull me
to the side and say something. But that is not
something we could have done. You're ago, like you literally
from a long way. Yeah, and we would not have
done that to you in your home right.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And look, there are plenty of people that have been,
you know, sober for a very long time that can't
and don't want it in the house, you know, correct,
That's that One's not a problem for me. I mean
that the fun and the oh my god, it tastes great,
and that I mean it's you. You can kind of
sort of slightly feel left out, But that's that trick.
You got to watch that part of your brain because
you don't need that part of your brain talking. It
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doesn't matter that I'm left out of that because it
don't need to be. I would be the one to
finish the entire gallon. Don't touch the martinis.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Isn't it funny that were everybody is struggling with something
silently almost every day that you just don't know about. Yeah,
I didn't know that you had the whole feeling left
out thing about it. I just thought you would, you know, well,
I want to drink.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
It's not something that I was like spending the evening
thinking about it just to it was one of those
flash for a moment things. It's it was. Maybe it
was just more of an observation of wow, you know,
so I'm not this is not some something i'm a
part of. I'm not really connecting with it. I'm glad
to see every what he's excited. I didn't have any
problem with it. I certainly was not envious of it.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
That was not a well they were strong, and I
will tell you at one point I.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Could tell because keep talking about them, right, everybody was
on the couch was sounding a little bit.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
To me.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I was pretty coherent.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
After my second one and we were it was a
short glass. I put it down and I thought, this
is Christmas Eve. I want to remember these conversations. I
want to, you know, just be right.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, Tody and her cousins were sitting on the couch.
Got a little silent and we're doing a lot of smiling. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Well, I'll guess who's cleaning up tonight.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I did, or the next morning. Okay, so limit alcohol consumption.
Being number five on the list and number six, this
is a very beautiful good one, and it is strengthen
social connections. It doesn't mean you have to make a
hundred new friends, right, It just means strengthened the social
connections that you already have. It helps you more than
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you know to have just a social connection.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
We are social beings, even though it can be tricky.
Sometimes some people are not extroverted at all. Again, going
back to the dogs here, Sorry, no, I love it,
but dogs exist in packs. I mean again when you
so sick, right, all right? But nature, I mean, look,
nature models a whole lot of things for us. You
know what I'm saying. It's true. So that's but that's
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why I'm bringing up the whole dog thing or other animals.
I mean, look at animals exist in packs, Geese fly information.
I mean, they rely on each other, right exactly, And
so as creatures, Yes, you can clearly see that the
social part has a purpose.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
It does. I can tell that. I look, I'm introverted.
I know I'm I'm disguised as an extrovert, but I'm
actually introverted. And I know that because The way that
I recoup is alone. I need that time. I go
into the family where we close the door almost every
evening for a little while just me or go my walk.
That's me being introverted. But I can always tell after
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having spent time with a friend, even on a bad day,
there's something about just having someone else to talk to.
Not that we're let's sit down and talk, not even
that just a haha. It's just it's like a light
coming into your life. It's like light coming in social.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You're you're a mix. It's only when you But I
think everybody needs their recoup time, So everybody at some
point should probably be an introvert to recover so that
you can then go back out to being because there
are times I absolutely need that recoop and it's peaceful
and it's wonderful. But I'm also a social being, and
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I don't know that I would call myself extroverted. I
don't know that I would label myself at all, but
I but I do enjoy. I do enjoy, you know,
connecting with people, because that for me, that's just one
of the I don't know, it's one of the joys
of life. While we're here being able to share and
experience things with others. You can't do that when you're dead,
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you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
By yourself when you're dead.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Alone time when you're dead.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Right, So, but you know, but but you're and I'm
not making you know any light of that whatsoever. You know,
really what you're talking about there for people, That's why
it's so important to check on the elderly and family
members that are older that as they age, they may
not have their friends anymore, right mentally, right exactly, And
so keeping you know, keeping those who are you know,
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who are aging engaged, you know, improves mental.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Health well everything to them.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Having a pet for an an elderly person is a
form of connection, of social external connection, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So to wrap this, I will say this, honorable Mention
being which is not on this list, this list of
six is you know, are the basics. Make sure you're
doing the basics if you're struggling with depression creeping in
and these basics are what we covered here. But Honorable Mention,
talk to someone, talk to a professional, seek professional help.
Because depression is real. Every single human being experiences it.
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You do not have to experience it alone.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Absolutely missed any part of the show.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Get it All on the Murphy Salmon Jody podcast.
Welcome to the Murphy, Sam and Jody after the show podcast.
We appreciate you hanging out with this a little bit
longer after the.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Show and today it's the Keep Depression at Bay podcast
in bit away if possible. Every single we've just touched
on this before, but let's go deep. Every single human
being experiences depression. Sometimes sometimes it's almost always there underlying.
Other times it just creeps in, and you know at
(00:26):
difficult times as that when that makes sense, when life
knocks you down. One that's very real that I can
recall is a postpartum was so real, unbelievably real to
me after the kids were born.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I remember that happening to you. And what's crazy about that?
Of course I'm not. You're the one who can speak
from the experience. You don't really realize it until someone says,
maybe this is what you've got, because it's like it's
such a strong filter that you see things through. I
guess it's bleak.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, it was very bleak. I had your sister came
over to the house to see. Uh. It was when
after Taylor was born, and she was like, I think
that you need to go outside. I had not been
outside for days. You know, newborn child, first time we're
doing that, and even something that small did help so
things to keep depression away. And at bay number one,
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it's so crazy that it's the basics. You know, you
think about everything in life. If you've worked the basics,
that's the that's the foundation. Number one. A good night's sleep. Yeah,
you have to to think clearly to make clear, logical
and not emotional decisions. You have to have to be
well rested.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Sleep is body repair. That's really literally what your body's doing,
which is why you need.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
To sleep, mind repair to it's everything. Yeah, good night's sleep.
And I mean if you ever try to make a
big decision on very little sleep, it goes it lean,
it leans more negative or doubtful even and as.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You get older that's even more difficult. You know you
there were times where I could skate by on five
hours of sleep. Now and if I do that now,
it really clocks me later in the day. Yeah. By
the way, this is and this isn't human related, it's
dog related. But when Jody was reading up on the
dogs the other day because our oldest champ and you
said that it's sixteen to twenty hours of sleep per day.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
They can't sleep up.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
That's like almost literally sleeping all day time.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And I know he does that, but you see, they
need it.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
But that's your lesson from nature right there. Right, They're
not the ones having to think about it. It's not
late night TV keeping them up. You know, when they're tired,
they go to sleep. You know.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
The girls are at the house the other night, Taylor,
m and FEBEs and it was approaching eight, eight fifteen.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And oh I got late.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I came up and hugged them, and they knew what
that meant, like I'm about to go take a shower
and get ready for bed. And Phoebe said, it was
getting to me, mom's night time bedtime. That seems so lame,
but that is me trying to do basics and take
self care.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
You're also getting up an unusual early time, right, it's
in the morning.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I joke with the kids, my kids whenever it's like no,
don't call me after eight or it's a school night. Yeah,
you know, as an adult it's a school night, I
gotta go to bed exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Okay, So number one way to keep depression at bay,
not that you can you can't prevent it, but you
can help with the basics is having a good night's sleep.
Number two, regular exercise. That does not necessarily mean you
have to run a half marathon, right. It does mean
you are meant to move and get out and move,
and if you can't get out because of weather or whatever,
(03:37):
move around your house. You're meant to move, you know.
Burst of exercise. It sends oxygen to your organs. You know.
I can remember times in my life when I was very,
very active, like when I worked at the health club
and something about that. I was on my feet all
day long and it was very busy, and at the
(03:58):
end of the day, I did not feel tired. I
felt energized because of the movement.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, you know, yeah, and you're right, I think it's important.
A lot of people will avoid it because they're thinking,
I gotta push way, I gotta you know, like you said,
run or get out and jog for thirty minutes. None
of that. Really, walking is enough to make, you know,
a circulatory difference. I know it's not heavy cardio or
anything like that, but just moving is better, you know.
(04:26):
I mean, for me, keeping the two workouts a week
that I have kept and sometimes I don't feel like
doing it, and it's it's more weight training than anything else,
and that's just fantastic. I'm doing that for physical strength
for the future. That's really what that's about for me,
is because I mean, I'm I am Type one, but
it does I'll tell you it'll bust stress too. I mean,
it really does.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
You know, type one diabetic. For anybody who's listening to
he always throws around the short terms. I'm a type one,
I'm a T one D.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, type one diabetic, get T one D. I love
that group.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I walked the other day and it was pretty chilly.
At first. I was really cold, and I was bundled up,
and I thought, why am I doing this? But the
fresh air is fantastic and by the end of it,
my body was warm and the temperature had gone down
the longer I was out there, you know, listening to
a podcast walking all of.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
That, I know this is semi related to that. It's
not exactly exercise, but just the sunshine itself.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Just like there are times I'd just go put myself
on the patio when it's a gorgeous day and the
birds are out, the ducks are out, and gusses in
the yard, and it's like that it's in itself, is like,
forget what you're worrying about.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
This is nice, right, that's like that's also about being
smart enough to change your surroundings. Yeah, you know, if
you're expecting to remain positive or even creative, change your surroundings,
go to a different place in the house or outside.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Well, sunlight's good for you, unless, of course, you're on
a medication that makes you extra sunlight sensitive. There are
some medicines to do that. But you know, sunlight is
the natural source of vitamin D. It is, you know.
And again, I'm sorry to keep using dogs as examples here,
but you know, it's okay. But you think of it
like both of our dogs when you'll open the door
and it's a beautiful day, the first thing they want
to do is they go out and they just PLoP
(06:09):
right down in the sea, you know. And and so.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Again, Yeah, we have three, you're saying, both of the
big ones that have a shorter hair, the sparky, the
little one. He looks like a rug. He has like
three coats because he's a He has.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
A long haired chihuahua.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, long hair.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I don't think that's the word. She was looking for it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Anyway. Number one good night's sleep. Number two regular exercise.
You are meant to move. It doesn't mean you have
to be an Olympic athlete, but it does mean you
are meant to move, and you will find that it
pays dividends. It also is good for your brain. If
you have a lot on your mind, if you're stressed,
go walk, go exercise, and you'll feel it slipping away
from you. Again. It's the basics. Number three on the list. Nutrition,
(06:53):
Eat good food. Eat good food. Try to eat food
that you prepare yourself, and do less pickup. We're in
a world.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's a difficult thing in the world today.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Most people do not have the time to be able
to cook like that, and in some cases it's a
lost art, you know. I mean, like Sam's quite the
cook and has been for a long time. But if
you've not, if that's not something that you've done. But
I'm sure you even struggle with that too. Rite as
much as you love to cook, the day runs out
and you're kind of like, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, there's days where you whip up something quick, but it's.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Like, yeah, just not now right, right? And I think
that's well the world.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
It's fun I feel blessed now. It's so funny. You
can't know this when you're little. But when I was
growing up, Murphy, we've talked about this a little bit
that my family, my parents were definitely blue collar. My
dad was definitely a blue collar. He was a carpenter.
And my mom there were times when she didn't work
at all, and there was it was very little going
out to eat, very little fast even less fast food.
(07:54):
And she cooked all the time. And what did she
do at night when she when when she would teach
me to clean the kitchen and I was cleaning the kitchen,
she was fixing my dad's lunch for the next day
at work with our leftovers, so no leftovers did not
get you know, wasted. He ate them the next day
until they were gone, you know. And she made his lunch.
(08:15):
I remember the pans. It looked like a cake pan,
and she would put foil over it. We didn't have
tapaware but until later, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
But anyway, that's why immediately.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Got you another cake there No anyway, what's so funny
is that I would I would be jealous or envious,
I guess is the word of families that I knew
got to go out to eat a lot, and now
he liked to do that, and we would do that
when we could afford it. But I'm so grateful for
that because it is a norm for me to go
to our pantry and fridge and to cook. I cook
(08:51):
a few times a week.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You do, and you're a very good cook.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's just the traditional thing in me.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Even if you haven't shopped, there's something in there you
can make.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
It's true, it's fun, it's creative. So good nutrition. Eat
good food. Try to eat good food. It does matter.
It is one of those basics.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And you actually can do that eating out if you
just did just the choices that you make.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, correct. Number four. Engage in a hobby that has
nothing to do with your nine to five. Engage in
something that you like. I told Murphy that can I
tell this on the low Just the other day we
were talking about the new year, and I highly suggested
to Murphy, who is a workaholic who works all the time,
would work all the time if given, you know, extra
(09:33):
hours in the day, please do something every day that
you enjoy.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Right, I mean, and what I enjoy is work. That's
the problem.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Great advice, Jerry, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Can just tell you a suggest I mean, I can't
live it, you know what, But I think the keyword
there is something that's not necessarily related to your work,
the flip side of that.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
And I was I don't remember which book it was
that I was reading recently, where the the author was
basically saying that following your passion is not always the
best advice for a career cry because sometimes your passion
is not something that's really gonna help make money for you.
It would be difficult to you know, to grow and
(10:16):
do what you need to do, and then the thing
that you're passionate about you become less passionate about because you're.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Not Yeah, your passion can enrich your life. It does
not have to be your nine to five, right for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But you know, I mean, for me, it's probably just music.
Music is It's always been my great escape. It's probably
one of the greatest gifts that I would say that
my parents, especially my dad gave me because he was
always playing music in the house and had an appreciation
for it. And so I know that's not a hobby
that I'm doing hands on and creating something which is fine.
But you know, the other thing that's cathartic for me,
which we've been talking about on the show this week,
(10:50):
is purging and getting rid of stuff and cleaning up
and simplifying. You know what I mean, when you're.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Gonna start doing that, you've been working too much?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, I have been, but little things, you know, things
like that that's not a work related thing. It's kind
of like you're saying, you.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Know, engaging a hobby, Engage.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
In a hobby. But like when you were saying, go
outside a minute ago, I think sometimes just stopping in
the moment where you're stressed out about something and changing
your scene or like you said, even if it's not
exercise related, is another relief. So whether it's just a
hobby or taking a breath for a moment to enjoy something,
or a song or two in your earbuds or something
that could make a difference.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So that was number four in the list. Engage in
a hobby. Number one. I'm a recan't recap good night's sleep.
Then at regular exercise you're meant to move number three.
Good nutrition number four, Engage in a hobby Number five,
limit alcohol consumption. It does not.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Got one, Yeah, me too. That's along the lines of
actually eliminating it from it. That's the ultimate limitation.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I can see that though, you know, I mean for
people who still partake. I do partake, and I enjoy it, and.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
There's nothing wrong with that, and partaking moderation is a
great thing. That's the thing is we know if you've
listened to us for a while that you know Sam
and I were not able to do the moderation. There's
no such word as moderation. So you know, stopping was
in my best interest. But I can tell you as
time is worn on, I certainly don't miss it. What
I really don't miss is the hangover, in the sluggishness,
(12:15):
or the dehydration or anything else that kind of goes
along with it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It was there's a lot, there's a lot that's not
desirable that goes along with it.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Because I would I just remember going to parties and
you know, you think you're getting energized, but it's actually
working against you. And and then I would usually be
the one to accidentally shut the party down.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You know, I feel and I don't like to use
this word a lot, but blast because don't worry. I
don't have a desire at all anymore with the alcohol.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
With the alcohol.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah, that's good because I know there are people that
you know, it's it's most people. It's constantly there. But
it's like I don't have a craving. I don't have
a thought. I don't have a I don't like to
be around it, but I don't have a It's not
the thing that's like, oh, you know, maybe.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I could have a drink today, fantastic or look at that.
I'd love to try that. It's wonderful.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
It is literally gone from my head. But that's me.
That's right, me personally.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Right, and you are blessed for that.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And probably what's happened is I think you also, even
if you have the thought, you're just not how to
handle the thought. You don't fight the thought. Yeah you
know what I mean. It just comes and goes and
it probably doesn't taste good anyway.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Okay, not like us, right, I thought of you, Murphy.
You know, back staying with the alcohol discussion. On Christmas
Eve at our home where when Taylor made a gallon
of pomegranate martinis and a lot of us were I
was having them. My cousins were Taylor had you know,
(13:47):
we were all partaking. I thought, for a one second,
I thought, I know, he's okay with this, or he
would out, he would say something, he would pull me
to the side and say something. But that is not
something we could have done. You're ago, like you literally
from a long way. Yeah, and we would not have
done that to you in your home right.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And look, there are plenty of people that have been,
you know, sober for a very long time that can't
and don't want it in the house, you know, correct,
That's that One's not a problem for me. I mean
that the fun and the oh my god, it tastes great,
and that I mean it's you. You can kind of
sort of slightly feel left out, But that's that trick.
You got to watch that part of your brain because
you don't need that part of your brain talking. It
(14:26):
doesn't matter that I'm left out of that because it
don't need to be. I would be the one to
finish the entire gallon. Don't touch the martinis.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Isn't it funny that were everybody is struggling with something
silently almost every day that you just don't know about. Yeah,
I didn't know that you had the whole feeling left
out thing about it. I just thought you would, you know, well,
I want to drink.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
It's not something that I was like spending the evening
thinking about it just to it was one of those
flash for a moment things. It's it was. Maybe it
was just more of an observation of wow, you know,
so I'm not this is not some something i'm a
part of. I'm not really connecting with it. I'm glad
to see every what he's excited. I didn't have any
problem with it. I certainly was not envious of it.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
That was not a well they were strong, and I
will tell you at one point I.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Could tell because keep talking about them, right, everybody was
on the couch was sounding a little bit.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
To me.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I was pretty coherent.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
After my second one and we were it was a
short glass. I put it down and I thought, this
is Christmas Eve. I want to remember these conversations. I
want to, you know, just be right.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, Tody and her cousins were sitting on the couch.
Got a little silent and we're doing a lot of smiling. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Well, I'll guess who's cleaning up tonight.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I did, or the next morning. Okay, so limit alcohol consumption.
Being number five on the list and number six, this
is a very beautiful good one, and it is strengthen
social connections. It doesn't mean you have to make a
hundred new friends, right, It just means strengthened the social
connections that you already have. It helps you more than
(16:03):
you know to have just a social connection.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
We are social beings, even though it can be tricky.
Sometimes some people are not extroverted at all. Again, going
back to the dogs here, Sorry, no, I love it,
but dogs exist in packs. I mean again when you
so sick, right, all right? But nature, I mean, look,
nature models a whole lot of things for us. You
know what I'm saying. It's true. So that's but that's
(16:28):
why I'm bringing up the whole dog thing or other animals.
I mean, look at animals exist in packs, Geese fly information.
I mean, they rely on each other, right exactly, And
so as creatures, Yes, you can clearly see that the
social part has a purpose.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
It does. I can tell that. I look, I'm introverted.
I know I'm I'm disguised as an extrovert, but I'm
actually introverted. And I know that because The way that
I recoup is alone. I need that time. I go
into the family where we close the door almost every
evening for a little while just me or go my walk.
That's me being introverted. But I can always tell after
(17:05):
having spent time with a friend, even on a bad day,
there's something about just having someone else to talk to.
Not that we're let's sit down and talk, not even
that just a haha. It's just it's like a light
coming into your life. It's like light coming in social.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You're you're a mix. It's only when you But I
think everybody needs their recoup time, So everybody at some
point should probably be an introvert to recover so that
you can then go back out to being because there
are times I absolutely need that recoop and it's peaceful
and it's wonderful. But I'm also a social being, and
(17:43):
I don't know that I would call myself extroverted. I
don't know that I would label myself at all, but
I but I do enjoy. I do enjoy, you know,
connecting with people, because that for me, that's just one
of the I don't know, it's one of the joys
of life. While we're here being able to share and
experience things with others. You can't do that when you're dead,
(18:04):
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
By yourself when you're dead.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Alone time when you're dead.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Right, So, but you know, but but you're and I'm
not making you know any light of that whatsoever. You know,
really what you're talking about there for people, That's why
it's so important to check on the elderly and family
members that are older that as they age, they may
not have their friends anymore, right mentally, right exactly, And
so keeping you know, keeping those who are you know,
(18:31):
who are aging engaged, you know, improves mental.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Health well everything to them.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Having a pet for an an elderly person is a
form of connection, of social external connection, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So to wrap this, I will say this, honorable Mention
being which is not on this list, this list of
six is you know, are the basics. Make sure you're
doing the basics if you're struggling with depression creeping in
and these basics are what we covered here. But Honorable Mention,
talk to someone, talk to a professional, seek professional help.
Because depression is real. Every single human being experiences it.
(19:06):
You do not have to experience it alone.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Absolutely missed any part of the show.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
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