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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy, Sam and Chony After the Show
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That makes it very easy to get to you know,
every day. So Jody does three things to Know you

(00:22):
know in the show a few times the morning, every hour.
But sometimes there are stories that don't make it. So
this is more things to Know.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, you guys ready for the ones that it's not
like they not good enough to make the cutting room floor.
I mean to make the cut, but it's it's only
three that can make it.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
So I've got lots of the four things to Know, right.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
So it's more things to know. Here's one that I
thought was so interesting, Murphy, you'll love this story. Empty
offices across the country are and we know this, but
more of them are being converted into apartments all the time. Yeah,
more work from home, more you know whatever, more people
are working remotely or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, a business consolidation, Yeah, thank you, that's the world.
That's actually that's been a theme I think for a
couple of years now. In fact, one of our friends
or co workers here lives in her apartment is in
one of those converted commercial buildings.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
And it's like there's a lot of perks because think
of office space. Twelve foot ceilings, that's a standard thing,
industrial strength central air.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeh.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, floor is so thick you never can hear your
neighbors because it was made to be in office, you know,
a business there. Typically I can't speak out of turn here.
I don't know for sure, but they're typically cheaper than
regular apartments. One thing that's not great about them unless
a developer comes in and just really redoes it, is
that that sometimes it's like a communal bathroom down the hall.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, because I'm thinking the office doesn't have bathrooms all
through it.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Sometimes, Yeah, offices.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Don't we have an empty office here, I think we
can turn that into an apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
No, don't you have to rezone and things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, if you don't tell anybody can exactly just kidd.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
However, people tried to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
I didn't think about, you know, there being communal restrooms
anyone any of the ones that I've ever seen converted
like that that I'm familiar with. They all have the
you know, just the master bath and sweet and all
that kind of stuff as usual.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
It makes sense, though, It just totally makes sense if
you have you have the space. It's real estate, and
if more people need places to live as opposed to
places to go to and work, because you can work
almost anywhere depending on what your work is.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
So our friend Monique is who I was referencing just
a minute ago. I was there helping her set up
some of it. She's kind of got a little in
studio set up at home too. She works in Radio two.
And so that's the first time I've been in that
building since it converted away from being an office building.
And it's wild. I mean, it's extremely well redone and.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
It has a cool view too.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Her view is fantastic. It does have the twelve foot ceilings,
it's got the exposed beams. They took out all the
drop ceilings and all that kind of stuff, and it
has its own bathroom and it's it's very cozy. It's smaller,
but it doesn't feel cramped because of the tall ceilings
and then the view. She's like on the twentieth floor
or something like that. And the and the elevators have

(03:10):
been converted also where they do not have buttons. So
that's a safety feature. You can't just walk into the building. Well,
you can't get into the building if you don't have
a key card anyway. But even if you're in the building,
you can't access the elevators because it's only done by smartphone.
You can't push a button to go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
It's a security feature. That sounds fantastic.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Now let me ask this, Does she have real walls
or cubicles?

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Okay, it's real walls.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
In New York City alone, this year they're planning to
convert about nineteen thousand office spaces into rental units. Well,
in New York City alone, it's happening all over the place.
I just like that story. I think that's smart. It's
happening here.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
It's better than an abandoned building, you know, one hundred.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Percent real estate. All right, moving on new it's not
really a new exercise trend, but it's you know, in
exercise if you need I think that's one of the
biggest things about it is switch it up. You know,
if you've been walking forever, try a bike or if
you've never done weight training, your body will thank you
because muscle memory is a real thing and you need

(04:10):
to tap into other areas. So if you're looking for
something else, it's not new, but it's a newer trend.
It's called rucking, a mashup of the word rucksack and
exercising rucking. It is inspired by military training, okay, where
soldiers go on long, long hikes carrying heavy stuff in
their sacks and they fill it with rocks or weights
and they go for a walk. Yeah, and you burn calories,

(04:34):
but it's muscle resistance, so you build muscles. And I
will say this, ever, since I was diagnosed with that
bone thing that I have, I have weak bones one
of the things, and I do walk a lot, I'm
supposed to look into getting a weighted vest to put
on my body and walk with it.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
It just sounds so to me, Well, a weighted vest
or around your waist you probably have to dependent on,
Like if you have neck situations or shoulder issues or whatever,
Carrying a backpack of rocks is probably not a great idea, sure,
but you can alter that a weighted best or something
that does add.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
It's on your body.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I have a friend who has one and for walking,
but she bought it and thought it was like a
six pound and it's a twelve pounds, so she's like, whoa.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
You know the thing about resistance training because some of
the exercises that I do with the trainer that I
work out with, you know, the cable I don't remember that.
I don't ever remember the names of all the machines
like them especially, but the cable machines with the weights
on them, that's really what they're designed to be, is there.
You know, weight resistance you're pulling against those things, you know.
I guess bench pressing and stuff like that technically is

(05:38):
resistance too. But there's so many different things that you
can do where muscle tone. It's that muscle memory thing,
like you say, Jodie, which I never really I never
thought about that. But our muscles are much like our brains.
Once they get into a routine of something, it's not
a challenge anymore. Well, you don't build muscle if you
don't break down muscle and then let it rebuild.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Right, so you're training.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, it's the same reason that you can create bad
pasture habits and all that, that's all of that is muscle.
It's muscle memory.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
That's why you never say, well, this is all I do.
I only walk or I only run, because you can
do that for the rest of your life.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
It's better than nothing.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Challenge yourself and you want your body to change. You
have to cross trains, so it's always a new day.
You always should try other things. Yeah, the restaurant guy,
Guy Fieri, he recently lost thirty pounds rucking just walking,
hiking with heavy stuff.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
And if you want to do it his body like
a real military person. You wear the combat boots while
you do it.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Oh yeah, well you do that to protect your feet too.
Hiking boots are legit.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
So he's actually going uphills then with all that stuff
on his back like military.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Wow, it's not new, but I'm just saying people are
talking about it again. It's new again. It's trending, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
I mean, I'd be curious to try that, because I'd
be willing to do that. Whenever we go walk the
dogs or whatever, you know, to put on a weighted
vest I mean, I'm walking with that for or whatever
it is that I would put on for twenty minutes
is better than just me going and walking right, It's.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
True, it's always good to go walk though. That's the thing,
that's what I'm thinking about getting it. It's it's that
the weighted vest is definitely.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Venus those insulated cooler backpacks. You can fill it with water.
You know, it adds the weight and you got something
to drink.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Okay, that's not a.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
So it gets easier the farther you ye exactly until
the longer you walk right until you have to go
to the bathroom. Then you're running back home. Okay, you
know you could do They make the wrist the risk
it weights right exactly, an ankle weights and that sort
of thing too. So I guess you could come bine
and try some.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Of the chant. I think something about the vest, keeping
it closer to your core is better for the overall
calorie burn that being on your extremities. That makes sense,
and you got to be careful of joints for that
if you have you know what I mean. Where the
weight is just like when you weight train, how your
form matters a lot. It is very specific, all right.

(07:55):
Moving on another story, after we've been rocking for a while,
these three million dollar Super Bowl private boxes are almost
sold out by the time I'm sharing this three million. Yeah,
there's some private suites that are very, very expensive. The
one you see Taylor Swift in that's not a gimme
sweet and it's not a ten thousand dollars suite. It's

(08:16):
millions of dollars. And this is true for any big game,
any super Bowl. Apparently they have and they have some
that are well five hundred grand all the way to
two point seven million. That's why I say three million.
It's got catering inhibited booze of course, your own private staff,
and usually the tenants of those are you know, elite.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean you're talking about whatever.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
You know, the Super Bowl is a an international event,
so you have everybody coming from everywhere into one building
that normally just accommodates one community, right, So that makes
sense to me.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
The private blind demand.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
And if you want to do some math, you don't
have to do the math because they're all different. They're not.
They don't all have this exact same price tag. But
the stadium has one hundred and sixty five newly renovated
private boxes.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Oh does it?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah? I mean that's the stadium business. You have to
invest in it. You know, it's all very expensive, but
you have to if you're going to host a Super Bowl,
you have to be able to host the high rollers
if you will.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
And the Superdome added those floor suites too, like the
back of the end zone.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I didn't realize that.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
So I don't know if they're going to have those
for the Super Bowl. Okay, maybe for security reasons they don't.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Well, you know you have an end Miss Judy works
at the Superdome, does she not.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
She's an usher at a section. She doesn't work the door,
so it's not like I can walk up and say.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, I'm just saying you could ask her about those suites?

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Can you get me in to see Taylor Swift?

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, right, come on, Doland, all right, moving on another
story from More Things to Know this week and not
just three things. There's a doctor and of course he
was you know, viral and on TikTok, but he's saying
that there's an he has a procedure that can change
the color of your eye forever instead of you having

(10:05):
to do contacts. But yeah, what are you thinking involves
an injection of pigment?

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, so if you want blue eyes and you never
had them. Apparently, it's it's the future of cosmetic surgery.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's not going to like cause you to see blue everything. Huh.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I don't know anything about that.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
It's probably very targeted.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
This is him and he said he's he's an ophthalmologist,
and he said he's been working on this for a
long time and he feels like he's going to be
able to do it. It's a new cosmetic surgery that
he plans to offer. But the injection goes in your eyeball.
The Academy, the American Academy of Ophthalmology, has warned that
trying to permanently change your eye color could also permanently

(10:45):
damage your vision, So be careful. Just be careful about
trends in medicine.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if
enough of the biology of it. But if you're targeting
the iris, how do you not affect the cornea, which
is what would then you know was across your pupil
is what's going what you're going to see at least doctors,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
At what point do you just say, my eyes are
this color, I'm fine with it, you know, the more
natural you roll, the more comfortable you are.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah. Well, and some people are more comfortable making those changes.
And so if somebody's willing to pay.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
For it, it's your ivy beholder.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, you got hazel eyes. You know those things change
color all the time. Yeah, depending on what you're wearing.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I thought that was kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, do mine change color like that? Because mine are hazel,
But they don't change.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I don't know that they change color. No, there's a
lot to them. The hazel eye thing is you could
look into into hazel eyes for a long time and
and there's a lot to see there.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah. The uh and and so Jody's eyes are blue.
Are both of our daughters, Taylor and Phoebe their eyes
are blue. Neither of them got hazel eyes from me.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
They're happy about that.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh, I know. I love the blue. They're beautiful. Blue
eyes really pop, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
And I have my mom's eyes. Okay, moving on, you
guys done with the eye color.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Your mom's eyes are blue, very okay. I mean I
guess I didn't. I haven't noticed that.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, insert.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, we had this conversation the other day. You were
there because Taylor and Phoebe were talking about and this
is the only part that well who they look like.
They look like both of us, and they both at
different times in their lives have Phoebe when she was little,
Taylor recently said to me that they wish they had

(12:32):
gotten my hair color and my coloring meaning red. But
it's a rare Red's rare. It's a weird little gene mutation.
And you have to it's a recessive gene.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Red jump over a generation.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
It supposedly skips generations. I'm like, maybe your kids will
and she's like, great. Phoebe said that to me when
she was a little girl, which really bothered me because
she's like, I wish I had red hair like you.
And then Taylor recently the other day, but she dyes
her hair.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Rat Yeah, it's beautiful. There are some generations it hasn't
because it hasn't. Yeah that I'm that I can think
of a people that you.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
And I know where it doesn't skip.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
So like Emma who went to school with Taylor and Phoebe,
isn't her dad a redhead?

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yes? That means that dad and mom both had both
had their recessive gene. Okay, I'm speaking like a scientist.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
I think Okay.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I think that's what it means.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
One time, a long time ago, way before there was
a mur Murphy in my life, I dated for a
short period of time a redheaded guy. Yeah, short, like
we dated for like two weeks, and it was because
the joke was everybody, all my friends were like, here's
your shot and having redheaded kids. But I wasn't thinking.

(13:47):
I was so young. I wasn't thinking about that. And
I didn't gel with him.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
As they call you raggedy ann and Andy.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
No, we hung out for two weeks. They didn't call
us anything.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
There wasn't enough time. Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Kind of broke that off. He was a very sweet person,
and he and I would have had read it like
when I tell you his skin tone was exactly like mine.
He had some freckling. Yeah yeah, anyway, all right, moving on.
There was a van Go painting bought at a garage
sale for fifty bucks. Which would you pay something? Would
you pay fifty bucks for something at a garage sale?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Probably not, it depends.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's a painting of a fisherman. It's believed to be
from eighteen eighty nine. It was sold at a garage
sale in Minneapolis and fifty bucks for it. A bunch
of New York art people think it could be worth
fifteen million dollars if it's authenticated by the Van Go

(14:46):
Museum in Amsterdam. These stories, Yeah, every once in a while.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
I believe that.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
And can you believe by the time the person who
sold that, here's that story.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, fifty bucks. You thought you were doing well
at a garage sale, sell something?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Those things. I understand how through history something like that
could wind up in Minneapolis. But it's like, of all
the pans that's passed through, no one ever like how
many people.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Be well, it's I think about like estate sales or
you know, when my parents passed. Sometimes you just grab things,
you're trying to move things out. You don't even think
you're pitching and moving, you know what I mean? And
so I bet you a lot of those things just
wind up accidentally slipping through hands.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
For that reason, think about the amount of people who
actually know what art is worth. There's nobody in my life.
And that's not to put down on my life and
my circle of friends, but none of us know much
about the art world.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah I don't. I mean, there are a couple of
pieces of art that we got.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
This ought to be good.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
No, I'm just it's the and I can't remember the
name of it. It's hanging in our bedroom. You actually
liked it, and I saved it from my parents' house.
But it's a print from the nineteen twenties. Yeah, and
I forget what it's called.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Some naked lady.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, she's kind of like burlesque or something like that
and that. But it was a it was a famous
you know, painter photo. It's not worth you know. I
think they're an eb that eBay. They're selling them for
fifty bucks, maybe seventy five bucks or something like that.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
You didn't tell me you looked that up.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Well, I happened to look it up because I was
I was trying to scan. I used the picture scan
to find out, Okay, who did this? You know what
I mean? So thanks to Google lens that makes that easy.
That's cool, and so I was able to find it
that way. But I say that to say that came
from from my grandmother's house. But my parents were very
much they were not archie types at all. We didn't

(16:39):
expect to find anything. I'm not saying my parents were cheap.
They just didn't.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
That was not their thing.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
You know, it's a you know, they they were making.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
The electric bill.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
So most of our most of our prints and photos
that were framed, things other than family photos, any framed artwork.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
It was weird.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Every now and then you would see it on TV shows.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Mass produced.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
They bought this at Globe and it showed mass produce. Yeah, exactly,
the master, the one the picture of the story. Have
you ever seen the one of the horses with the
thunderstorm approaching mob? I'm sure you have. Honestly, I saw
that in at least two different TV shows. You get
excited as can't.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Look, mama, we got a famous here.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
It's on the love boat.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Actually, the more it's around, the less famous it is,
right all right? And finally I love this one. I
want to share. This is so funny. Woman who traveled
just a little little ways to clean out her late
great grandmother's house discovered, speaking of getting into your parents'
houses and your family's houses, more than eleven hundred sets

(17:46):
of salt and pepper shakers.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Sets.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well it's sets.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, that means twenty two hundred bottles.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Wow, that's a lot. Quick math there. The simple her
grand grants.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Collection started when she inherited a small collection and then
she decided, oh I like this. You know, I like
having salt and pepper shakers. It's funny because I kind
of do.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, well you can see how that could be a collectible.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Oh yeah, match books anyway.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, so she started not really buying them new She
would get them at yard sales and garage sales and
estate sales and flea markets if she liked them, And
now she literally has eleven hundred sets of them.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
What do you do with that?

Speaker 2 (18:29):
The family says they're going to keep the sentimental ones,
you know, keep the ones that they want. The rest
they're going to sell to collectors because apparently there's a
lot of people who collect them. Yeah, and what's so
funny about I don't really collect them. I have Christmas
salt and pepper shakers mostly. I love salt and pepper shakers.
They're cute because they're pretty and functional. You know, you

(18:50):
can use them if you want to. And I have
five or six sets of Christmas ones. And then I
have the lemon salt and pepper shakers that Sam gave
me one year.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I don't remember why you get some you were making
fun of me about a lemons.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
I don't remember you had made some statement about lemons.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I think, well, it was the year that our boss
brought lemons in a bag from his yard. He had
like a Meyer lemon tree, and I was so excited
about having them. I was putting them in my tea
and my water, and I was like, this is a
great Christmas present, thank you for giving this. And you
were like, stupid lemons. Let me give her some lemons.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
That's fun, you know. The the other collectible and I
never did this collectible, but I just, for whatever reason
when you said that. Just now, going to yard sales
made me think about ashtrays, which are I mean, I
guess they're still sold, made or whatever they are. But
I do know that I knew people that collected, you know,
glass decorative versions of those kind of me.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I know the names of some of them because my
grandmother really she goes, yeah, that's a whole last tray, honey,
And what's the whole.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
You said, like, you know, like it's time to get
out of here fast. Yeah, yeah, so the ash tray.
Yeah so, And then I guess that makes sense to me.
But I think back to because that was a habit
that I had for a little while. I haven't smoked
in twenty six years now, but I went to a

(20:21):
garage sale once and this is my logic at this time.
I can't even believe I'm admitting this, But there was
this huge, very deep, heavy glass ash tray with this
really pretty etching, you know, in the middle of it.
And it was a reasonable price. I mean, it was
like five bucks or something like that. And the reason
I bought it, Yeah, this is the logic that's flawed.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Oh god.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
The reason that I bought it is because if it
were that big and that deep, I wouldn't have to
empty ash often.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, it's pretty disgusting.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Smart yeah, no, and it did. Engross is the right word.
And when I finally came to my senses on that, it's.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Like, yeah, and what's what's ironic is that the ashtray
is beautiful?

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Oh yeah, I know, like, here's.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Something to put this out in as nasty. It's you know, well,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
When you think about at the peak of smoking, I
guess in the nineteen sixties it was like fifty five
percent or sixty percent of Americans were smoking or something
like that. So it was a thing, right, I mean
you could, you were, you were probably gonna if you
went to a party and you didn't put your ashtrays out.
But people were smoking inside too then, which is weird.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
But yeah, irony of it being pretty, yeah, it's really yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Things being pretty when they can be.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
But I think you know, things are things. But anyway,
I just I flashed back to that one, and it
really was a pretty decorative piece. It would have actually
looked better without cigarettes.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
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The Girlfriends: Trust Me Babe

The Girlfriends: Trust Me Babe

When a group of women from all over the country realise they all dated the same prolific romance scammer they vow to bring him to justice. In this brand new season of global number 1 hit podcast, The Girlfriends, Anna Sinfield meets a group of funny, feisty, determined women who all had the misfortune of dating a mysterious man named Derek Alldred. Trust Me Babe is a story about the protective forces of gossip, gut instinct, and trusting your besties and the group of women who took matters into their own hands to take down a fraudster when no one else would listen. If you’re affected by any of the themes in this show, our charity partners NO MORE have available resources at https://www.nomore.org. To learn more about romance scams, and to access specialised support, visit https://fightcybercrime.org/ The Girlfriends: Trust Me Babe is produced by Novel for iHeartPodcasts. For more from Novel, visit https://novel.audio/. You can listen to new episodes of The Girlfriends: Trust Me Babe completely ad-free and 1 week early with an iHeart True Crime+ subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Open your Apple Podcasts app, search for “iHeart True Crime+, and subscribe today!

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