January 15, 2026 • 7 mins
Respecting creativity: Give the Duffer Brothers a break!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Jody After the Show podcast
where we hang out a little bit longer. And you know,
this week has been It's crazy how the finale for
Stranger Things is now two weeks ago and you still
have all this buzz about. I guess part of it
is documentary going, but there's still the discussion about the
last episode is still yeah. Just it's crazy how it's
(00:22):
still viral and still being talked about. Right.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We touched on it in the Hollywood Outsider today and
what this director had to say in social media yesterday,
it just touched me and it's so true. I want
to talk about it. She said. What I find heartbreaking
is everybody loves this show, but suddenly we all we
need to pick it apart. This came after the news
that some fans were saying that, oh, they must have
(00:47):
used AI or chat GBT to write the finale because
in the documentary at some point this is unreal to me,
the fan theories. At some point in the documentary there
is some sort of tab pulled up and supposed that
it looks like chat GPT, and some online troll said, hey,
then maybe they must have let chat gpt write this finale,
(01:10):
that's the only thing, and I just want to go,
oh my gosh, stop, where is the respect for the
creative process, This beautiful creative process that's so much harder
than you think it is. You know, I being a fan,
we've all as fans of things, we've all been disappointed by,
you know, outcomes. I've been to a movie that I
didn't like the ending before I didn't get online and
(01:31):
troll the director. Yeah, it's ridiculous. And the creative process
is a lot harder than anybody knows. And it's their baby,
This show was their baby. They get to end it
the way they want.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, And you know, when you think about the kind
of pressure once you have something that's a runaway success
and they didn't even know that, you know, it's the
Duffer brothers have said the first season, you know, they
really had not plotted out much past that because nobody
knew if it was going to be a success or not.
But once it is, and you get the pressure from
you know, not all the to make sure you're delivering
(02:06):
something that can be paid for, you know, they're budgets
for things, and then you know continues to become you know,
wildly popular. I mean, like off the charge popular. You know,
shows come and go, but when you get something becomes
an icon show that will be watched for years and
years and years. That kind of pressure I mean to me,
it's if the pressure gets in your head that really
(02:26):
stifles the creative process too.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I agree with what you said to Jody, because that's
how what you said about the movie. You know you
didn't like it. But yeah, so it's just move on,
wrong with your life. The last episode, you know, the
last half of it was kind of and for me,
but I didn't take to my keyboard. It's just like, okay,
now that move on to the next thing.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, it is what it is you that old saying
what you think about me is none of my business.
That brings about a lot of peace. But in our
social media world, where everybody's opinion seems to be forced
upon you. That's why certain people in high places, and
I say high places, even really famous people like Julia Roberts,
even Taylor Swift says, ignore it, don't listen to it
(03:06):
and do your thing.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, you do have to. It's you know, you just
let it be noise, and you know the thing is
what you don't let get to you really can't hurt
you anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So I just respect anybody's creative process. I really do
everything that you consume. It took a lot for and
I say that I mean a book, I mean a
short story, I mean a TV series that you watch,
a movie. It all took inspiration and guts and bravery
and effort and people's time and talents to put together.
(03:37):
You know, I think it's more decent to respectfully not
say anything or you know it just it is heartbreaking.
She's right, that director is right. It's heartbreaking for the
world to be or the certain group of fans to
sort of be tearing them down for the recap of
what happened this week. When the documentary landed at three
(03:58):
am in the morning on Sunday, like the Golden Globes
parties were still going on and the documentary landsed on Netflix, Murphy,
you've been traveling and busy. I waited for you. I'm
not I haven't watched it yet. Ye to watch it together.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I'll be home tonight.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
The documentary is not about the whole series. The documentary
is about the fifth and final season, and they really
take you in behind the scenes, so that's good. But
I guess fans on Monday were like, Okay, the we
were wrong. The documentary is not another finale. They were
hoping for another finale, so check that off. The second
thing that happened in entertainment news this week regarding this
(04:34):
was the Duffer brothers being accused of using AI to
write the finale. That's ridiculous. I hope they laughed that off.
I really hope they did. And then the news today
was the director saying, how sad this is? She said,
what what? Whatever they saw on the screen, whatever part
of the documentary they saw with something pulled up on
(04:55):
a computer, It's like having your eye this is what
she said. It's like having your iPhone next to your
comput while you're writing a story. We all use these tools.
We may have been doing quick research on who knows what.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, we are exactly. Yeah, it's for accuracy.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, no kidding, because we all agree they mostly got
They got ninety nine point nine percent of all of
it accurate.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
In fact that I mailed it.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I can't remember a show that's set in the eighties
that looks more like the eighties than Stranger Things. Some
of the eighties movies we had don't look as much
Eighties as Stranger Things did. Like I remember that you yeah,
the first time you were in the house Joyce's house,
when she was stringing up the lights. I'm thinking, I've
been in nut living room.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Oh yeah, Well I remember some of those first those
opening scenes in the first season that was like, this
is a Spielberg movie. This is an eighties Spielberg movie.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That's where it took me to Yeah, and it felt
like the Stephen King thing was there too. It was
kind of like, was is Stephen on the set?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
That's what I wanted to know, but just wanted to.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Talk about it because I just feel like, how about
a little respect for people's creative process. Everything in the
world that everybody is doing is harder than you know.
It's harder to run a restaurant than you know, be kind,
it's harder to do a TV show and please everybody
be kind, you know. And you're right, Murphy, it's also
(06:12):
about the helmet's light is on it. The bigger something gets,
the more people try to tear it down, and the
more haters you get.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I guess, yeah, well, you know, I'm sure the Duffer
brothers are at a place where they get that and
they understand that it's when it's really your baby at
the core, which it is theirs, right, I mean, it's
their concept, it's their brain child, it's all of those things.
I think that they're you know, their skins thick enough
and they have the perspective to understand. I'm sure they
don't like seeing those kinds of things, but you know,
(06:42):
they've done what they've done, it's accomplished. It's now part
of you know, American entertainment history, and it will continue
to be loved by those that love it. And you know, yeah, unfortunately,
people are going to do what they do. It's just
ever since social social media has existed, actually even before
social media, when you had you know, chat boards on
you know websites at different news websites and all that,
(07:05):
trolls have been there for about that.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Trolls have been there forever. Be kind, it's their show,
and I'm glad that they've gone away. And I say
that gone away. I'm glad that we're not hearing from
the Duffer brothers about this and now trying to defend it.
They're just getting quiet now hopefully enjoying what I have
to address it. No, they don't, and probably they have
their pick of projects next, so I'm ready for wherever
(07:28):
they pop up.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Missed any part of the show, Get it All on
the Murphy, Salmon Jody podcast
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Jody After the Show podcast
where we hang out a little bit longer. And you know,
this week has been It's crazy how the finale for
Stranger Things is now two weeks ago and you still
have all this buzz about. I guess part of it
is documentary going, but there's still the discussion about the
last episode is still yeah. Just it's crazy how it's
(00:22):
still viral and still being talked about. Right.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We touched on it in the Hollywood Outsider today and
what this director had to say in social media yesterday,
it just touched me and it's so true. I want
to talk about it. She said. What I find heartbreaking
is everybody loves this show, but suddenly we all we
need to pick it apart. This came after the news
that some fans were saying that, oh, they must have
(00:47):
used AI or chat GBT to write the finale because
in the documentary at some point this is unreal to me,
the fan theories. At some point in the documentary there
is some sort of tab pulled up and supposed that
it looks like chat GPT, and some online troll said, hey,
then maybe they must have let chat gpt write this finale,
(01:10):
that's the only thing, and I just want to go,
oh my gosh, stop, where is the respect for the
creative process, This beautiful creative process that's so much harder
than you think it is. You know, I being a fan,
we've all as fans of things, we've all been disappointed by,
you know, outcomes. I've been to a movie that I
didn't like the ending before I didn't get online and
(01:31):
troll the director. Yeah, it's ridiculous. And the creative process
is a lot harder than anybody knows. And it's their baby,
This show was their baby. They get to end it
the way they want.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, And you know, when you think about the kind
of pressure once you have something that's a runaway success
and they didn't even know that, you know, it's the
Duffer brothers have said the first season, you know, they
really had not plotted out much past that because nobody
knew if it was going to be a success or not.
But once it is, and you get the pressure from
you know, not all the to make sure you're delivering
(02:06):
something that can be paid for, you know, they're budgets
for things, and then you know continues to become you know,
wildly popular. I mean, like off the charge popular. You know,
shows come and go, but when you get something becomes
an icon show that will be watched for years and
years and years. That kind of pressure I mean to me,
it's if the pressure gets in your head that really
(02:26):
stifles the creative process too.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I agree with what you said to Jody, because that's
how what you said about the movie. You know you
didn't like it. But yeah, so it's just move on,
wrong with your life. The last episode, you know, the
last half of it was kind of and for me,
but I didn't take to my keyboard. It's just like, okay,
now that move on to the next thing.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, it is what it is you that old saying
what you think about me is none of my business.
That brings about a lot of peace. But in our
social media world, where everybody's opinion seems to be forced
upon you. That's why certain people in high places, and
I say high places, even really famous people like Julia Roberts,
even Taylor Swift says, ignore it, don't listen to it
(03:06):
and do your thing.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, you do have to. It's you know, you just
let it be noise, and you know the thing is
what you don't let get to you really can't hurt
you anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So I just respect anybody's creative process. I really do
everything that you consume. It took a lot for and
I say that I mean a book, I mean a
short story, I mean a TV series that you watch,
a movie. It all took inspiration and guts and bravery
and effort and people's time and talents to put together.
(03:37):
You know, I think it's more decent to respectfully not
say anything or you know it just it is heartbreaking.
She's right, that director is right. It's heartbreaking for the
world to be or the certain group of fans to
sort of be tearing them down for the recap of
what happened this week. When the documentary landed at three
(03:58):
am in the morning on Sunday, like the Golden Globes
parties were still going on and the documentary landsed on Netflix, Murphy,
you've been traveling and busy. I waited for you. I'm
not I haven't watched it yet. Ye to watch it together.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I'll be home tonight.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
The documentary is not about the whole series. The documentary
is about the fifth and final season, and they really
take you in behind the scenes, so that's good. But
I guess fans on Monday were like, Okay, the we
were wrong. The documentary is not another finale. They were
hoping for another finale, so check that off. The second
thing that happened in entertainment news this week regarding this
(04:34):
was the Duffer brothers being accused of using AI to
write the finale. That's ridiculous. I hope they laughed that off.
I really hope they did. And then the news today
was the director saying, how sad this is? She said,
what what? Whatever they saw on the screen, whatever part
of the documentary they saw with something pulled up on
(04:55):
a computer, It's like having your eye this is what
she said. It's like having your iPhone next to your
comput while you're writing a story. We all use these tools.
We may have been doing quick research on who knows what.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, we are exactly. Yeah, it's for accuracy.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, no kidding, because we all agree they mostly got
They got ninety nine point nine percent of all of
it accurate.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
In fact that I mailed it.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I can't remember a show that's set in the eighties
that looks more like the eighties than Stranger Things. Some
of the eighties movies we had don't look as much
Eighties as Stranger Things did. Like I remember that you yeah,
the first time you were in the house Joyce's house,
when she was stringing up the lights. I'm thinking, I've
been in nut living room.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Oh yeah, Well I remember some of those first those
opening scenes in the first season that was like, this
is a Spielberg movie. This is an eighties Spielberg movie.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That's where it took me to Yeah, and it felt
like the Stephen King thing was there too. It was
kind of like, was is Stephen on the set?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
That's what I wanted to know, but just wanted to.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Talk about it because I just feel like, how about
a little respect for people's creative process. Everything in the
world that everybody is doing is harder than you know.
It's harder to run a restaurant than you know, be kind,
it's harder to do a TV show and please everybody
be kind, you know. And you're right, Murphy, it's also
(06:12):
about the helmet's light is on it. The bigger something gets,
the more people try to tear it down, and the
more haters you get.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I guess, yeah, well, you know, I'm sure the Duffer
brothers are at a place where they get that and
they understand that it's when it's really your baby at
the core, which it is theirs, right, I mean, it's
their concept, it's their brain child, it's all of those things.
I think that they're you know, their skins thick enough
and they have the perspective to understand. I'm sure they
don't like seeing those kinds of things, but you know,
(06:42):
they've done what they've done, it's accomplished. It's now part
of you know, American entertainment history, and it will continue
to be loved by those that love it. And you know, yeah, unfortunately,
people are going to do what they do. It's just
ever since social social media has existed, actually even before
social media, when you had you know, chat boards on
you know websites at different news websites and all that,
(07:05):
trolls have been there for about that.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Trolls have been there forever. Be kind, it's their show,
and I'm glad that they've gone away. And I say
that gone away. I'm glad that we're not hearing from
the Duffer brothers about this and now trying to defend it.
They're just getting quiet now hopefully enjoying what I have
to address it. No, they don't, and probably they have
their pick of projects next, so I'm ready for wherever
(07:28):
they pop up.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Missed any part of the show, Get it All on
the Murphy, Salmon Jody podcast
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