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May 11, 2026 13 mins

Favorite biopic? What's yours and WHY? MS&J give you theirs as well. 😘

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Murphy and I while we went to see the Michael
Jackson biopic yesterday from Mother's Day and our girls went
with us. It was really fun and that's an it's
all the things that you heard it was. I thought
about you, Sam, because you'd seen it already, about it
being just so much music and we're going to.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Get to that.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Somebody asked us on social media, you know, for us
to review it a little bit, even though it's been
out for weeks now.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
We'll do that in the show tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
But it made me think of what an incredible task
a biopic is. You have to get so many things
right or you'll upset the estate. And everybody in the
family sees it differently, and every person sees it differently,
and it's about one person's and there's no one person's life,
and there's no way to fill up to include everything

(00:55):
in someone's life in two hours or even three way
to do it seems impossible.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
The Michael biopick to me was like that, because it's
like the Dumas and a sudden you're ahead another five
years or ten years, and it's just like, well it
has to be because you only got two and a
half hours.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
It has to be fast.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Biopics are dramatizations also, and so they're not the they're
not they're not a documentary, so they have to be
told in that very Hollywood style. And it's not just
the estate. I think it's it's if you lived through
that time period right then you're you're going to be
more scrutinizing than anybody who didn't. If it's something that
was that happened before you were born. Is any of

(01:31):
us have watched stories, It doesn't. You've just connected to
whatever you've heard about the story. But when you've lived
it correct like we did with you know, Michael in
the eighties, it has a very different It's like, oh my.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
God, everybody is a harsh critic, especially those who lived it.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
So, yes, that's a really good point, Murphy.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
So I thought, right here, right now today, favorite biopic
and why you loved it? You're only can pick one, Murphy.
Would you like to go first? We'll go in order.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
It's tougher. Pick one, don't have to stick one.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yes, that's the rule. Pick a favorite, like pick one
that stands out to you. There are many good ones,
but one.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Honestly, I think my favorite has walked a line. I
know that goes way back, but you know, Reese Witherspoon
and Joaquin Phoenix were just unbelievable in the roles of
Johnny Cash and June Carter, right, I just it was
so well done. It really drew you in. And you know,
I don't know. I don't remember what Johnny Cash actually

(02:27):
thought of it was. I came out before he passed, right,
I think I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Know about that.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
I don't remember he died in two thousand and three,
didn't he.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, then it would be probably close. I'd have to
go back and look it back up to see.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
I You're right, Murphy.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
We watched that together and I was crying and I
didn't expect it.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I'm like, fine, we'll watch the Johnny.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I wanted to see Reese, honestly, I was like, I
want to see Reese do this. Yeah, and she killed
it and she won an Academy Aword for it. I
was crying because of the vulnerability of Joaquin Phoenix as
Johnny yeah, and no one could have known. That's the thing.
He's like an idol. He he was an idol. He
was a legend and nobody will ever be like him.

(03:10):
But nobody also realized the the insecurities he carried in
the hollowness and the difficulties like with his father.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
A gut punch.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
It was a gut punch, and then you know the
moments like this, folks, but remember this part.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yes, I gotta ask you a question.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Before finish, they were on stage. What's that?

Speaker 4 (03:31):
John will you marry me?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Did you ever see this biopic?

Speaker 4 (03:40):
I have not.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Oh are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's you would? You would. You're a Johnny Cash fan,
so you would definitely love it.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's true of the music, it's true of the time.
It's well acted, it's beautifully done.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
I don't know why that one got past me. I mean,
I know it came out and I was probably gung
ho at the time, and then as time went.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
A love story too, I mean, it's a love story,
but it's his career.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's really well done.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I'm so surprised since you like Reese Witherspoon the way
you do, it's probably some of her best work. She's
You know how often Reese Witherspoon is always Reese. She's
one of those actors that it's no matter who Tom
Hanks is playing, he's also still Tom.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I didn't think she was Reese. I didn't see Reese.
I saw June in her for that and it was incredible.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
So two thousand and five after he.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Died, right, yeah, because I think I would we would
have remembered what Johnny had to say about that good one, Murph,
Oh my gosh. And honestly, the reason I didn't we
never went back and watched it again is that I
just I thought it was so well done.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Thank you for the reminder of what a gut punched.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
That movie is one of great biopicks out there, or
even stories that don't represent themselves as biopicks. Good Fellows,
Good Tell, I'm sorry. Is really is not really a biopic,
but it kind of is.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Oh, It's based on Henry Hill's.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Exactly, So I mean, in theory that would be kind
of biopick. Yeah, so if I I mean to me,
that one would be one of the greatest.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I just I went the celebrity route.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Sweet Sam, what about you a favorite biopick and why.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
Mine is not musical?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Great?

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Mine is a sports biopick. It's Moneyball. I've never seen it,
baseball biopick of Billy Bean, the manager in Moneyball of
the Oakland A's. But Billy Bean is in this one.
Jonah Hill is in this, Chris Pratt is in this. Oh,
just a little backstory, And Billy Bean came to the
Oakland A's and he built the team with no money, okay,

(05:38):
using uh metrics. First first manager to come along and say, hey,
I'm going to use metrics rather than this guy can
get hits and this guy can do that.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
In fact, Jonah stats.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, it's stats. Jonah Hill explains it.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Your goal shouldn't be to buy players.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Your goal should be to buy wins.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
In order to buy wins, you need to buy runs.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Who are you, I'm Peter Brand's first job in baseball.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
It's our first job. So he comes up with this
great plan and this is why you got to get
these players. That these players are not good. They're low
dollar players, right, you can snap them up, but they'll
replace the big dollar players you got rid of. Because
these guys based on stats are going to get on
base and get your hits and all that, and sure
enough they the first year they did this, they wound

(06:21):
up going to the American League. I think the championship series. Wow.
And it's really cool because you get into these tense
moments and these yay moments if you're a sports fan.
I mean, the A's won twenty games in a row
with this roster of has beens and you know, the
Island to Misfit Toys. Here's the scene where they go

(06:43):
to Chris Pratt. Chris Pratt is a catcher, but they
hire him to play first base. He's never played first
base before.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
You don't know how to play first base, Scott, that's right,
it's not that hard, Scott, tell him, Wash, it's incredibly hard.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Anything we're doing is is that Brad Pitt?

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah, Brad Pitt and Chris Pratt in that scene.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Oh, I recognize Brad's voice. Yeah, I would recognize it anywhere.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Okay, it's a low key Brad Pitt. It's really a good.
It's really a good. I've seen it probably ten times
because it's one of the ones I go back to comfort.
I like sports movies too.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Okay, Yeah, So my question to you is this would
it be as as it would be good to me
if I'm not the biggest baseball person.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
No, you won't care, Okay, I don't. I don't think
you'll care.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Okay, Okay.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
When they get into the metrics that part portion maybe
Murphyl yeah like that. But it's like it has all
the scouts and they're like, what you're doing? What now?
You can't do that? You got to doe it out,
and he's like, no, we're doing it this way.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
It's a good sports movie.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Excellent, cool. Okay, well it's so funny.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I am ready for mine, and mine is from the
entertainment world, of course. But when you brought up Goodfellas
being not really a biopic but actually the story of
someone's life, I have an honorable mention, which is Bugsy. Sorry,
Warren Beatty and Annette Binning. You know about Ben Siegel.
It's kind of a biopick, but it's also beautifully made passionately,

(08:13):
like they have chemistry as those people, and it's beautifully
made because you feel like you're in that time and
I love that movie.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
And it's not a biopick.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
But if you learn a lot about Ben Siegel and
his you would think that movie is interesting, Sam because
what he had to well, the beginnings of Las Vegas
as we know it today.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, and it's really fascinating.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
But my favorite biopic. And I've said this one hundred
times and you guys know this already. Our youngest daughter,
Phoebe wants to watch it with me and I'm thrilled.
It does go way back to the nineties and that's
the story of Tina Turner.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
It's called What's Love Got to Do with It?

Speaker 2 (08:47):
They won't need a band's sement mart yourself, you know
what they say by.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Angela Bassett.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Who I mean when you start looking for an actress
to play Tina Turner, Wow, that's a difficult task. And
she even Angela Bassett said, I'm not tall, I don't
look like her. How am I gonna do that? But
in the end she did it. She embodied her. She
had the moves down and she now she was lip syncing.

(09:19):
But the way it's done, the way the movie is,
I really feel it.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
There's so much honesty in the book.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
The book is called I Tina, and Tina Turner wrote
that book with Kurt Loader from MTV. She sat down
and told him her life story, which is not an
easy story at all, and he wrote the book and
then the book became this movie. She Tina was on
set at times. I know some backs.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
It's my favorite movie, so it's one of my favorites,
so I know a lot about it.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
She was on set at times trying helping Angela Bassett
get the walk down, get some of the moves down,
like the on stage stuff. When you watch this movie,
you're like, she has it down. It was a huge production.
Laurence Fishburne played Ike. Oh wow, and he also deserved

(10:13):
like an Academy Award for playing Ike.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
It's really well done. Don't be afraid of it.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I know you've never seen it, Sam because you don't
want to see some.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
But it's worth it. It's so well done.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
You'll know, you'll learn things about her that you didn't
know and can't believe. And it's iconic. And it's just
also such a good story too, like someone who literally
came from nothing, had to fight every minute, and it's
so special, was so special and different. I don't know,
that's a comfort food movie to me. I will put
that one on and just listen to it all day long.

(10:51):
And it's also full of music. You know, Phil Spectra
comes along all of that. So that's my favorite biopic.
Nothing that, nothing that's news has topped it for me.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
I think that.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
I guess my brain automatically goes to musical biopics because
that's my area of interest. But when you think about it,
most movies are based on some they're based on books
in many cases anyway, and so if it's based on
someone's story, there are a ton of those, you know biopics,
the atomic scientists, the ladies who were behind the Apollo
launch that we never heard about that, you know, the

(11:26):
original for the African American you know ladies that were
So you have so many great stories that get told
in biopick form. I'll tell you another favorite biopic because
I was solely thinking of music, and this one's not
is catch me if you can.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Oh, gosh, yes, such a good story.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Because you know it's it is what really happened k Abagnail,
who actually wound up going from criminal to helping the FBI,
you know, figure out techniques on detecting forgery of checks
and all those kind of things. Leon Leonardo DiCaprio does
such a great job in that movie. Anyway, it's a

(12:06):
fun movie, it's well paced, and I think Frank Frank
Abocnail even said that, you know, I mean it was
that version of what he did was a lot sexier
than what was you know, yeah, what was real, but
so many elements were.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
One of the reasons that musical biopicks get so much
attention is because we already have a love affair with
an idol that gives us so much artists that give
us so much music. That's why the Bohemian Rhapsody one
was so big, that Michael Jackson one is so big.
Right now, we already you have a built in audience
who's already in love with the subject matter. And so

(12:38):
one day I'm hoping to fall in love with an
Aussie biopick. I'm hoping to fall in love with a
Prince biopick. I don't know if that one will ever.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
I'm a different with me. Somebody puts together a Willie
Nelson biopick, that'll.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Be hard, but yeah, yeah, that'll happen.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
I'm sure somebody will. Yeah, one day. All the stories
we wind up getting told, even there many and we
look at Michael's story is seventeen years after his passing.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah, you know that's OK.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
And you know, in a really solid probably thirty years
after his career, really he stopped making the hits, right exactly.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah. Anyway, well, also favorite. I love getting recommendations.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I love thank you Murphy for the reminder about Walk
the Line.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Maybe we should watch it again together.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, I'm episode to do that.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
The movie I don't know why I could remember the
name Hidden Figures. Oh yeah, yeah, probably because that that
Dark Figures movie that's come out lately is the one,
the horror one is I think, what's taking my head?
But anyway, Hidden Figures, that's another great and I never
actually knew that story until the movie itself, sir came out.
So again, I know they're not technically biopics, but they're

(13:44):
probably really.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
They're based on a true story. It's about someone's life.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
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