March 9, 2026 • 27 mins
How long Murphy has lived with type 1 diabetes and how he got over being angry about it. #diabetes #family #health
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy, Sam and Jody after the show podcast, So.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Laurie had emailed us at Murphysalmonjeddy dot com about type
one diabetes. She heard us that you mention it a
couple of days ago. She heard it on the podcast
and said that she wants to hear more because her daughter,
who is in college now, has just been diagnosed like
late last year. So that's brand new to the world
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of type one diabetes. And Murphy is our type one diabetic.
I say, ours, You're a type one diabetic, one of
the few only six percent, is that, right, of the
world's diabetic population or type one?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, because most ninety four percent is type two.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And so let's do this for Lori and her daughter.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah right, I mean for anybody else who I guess
who needs to understand or his experience. And so I
don't know how Laurie's daughter is college age. I'm assuming
no younger than eighteen, no older than early twenties. Nonetheless,
that's that's long enough in your life where you've already
established a lot of your eating habits and things that
you're used to. And so say it's a significant life change,
(01:03):
really just and it doesn't necessarily wind up being a
life change in what you eat as much as how
you manage everything else. Eating is part of it, but
the whammy is the fear factor that you wind up with.
It's like, okay, I'm insulin independent now, so and there
is no cure for it. It's not going away. There's
nothing that you did to cause it. Therefore there's nothing
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that you can do to make it go away. So
all you can do is manage it.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
When you know, when I go back to when you
were diagnosed Murphy, you and I were head had just
started really spending time together. You know, we were new
in a relationship, and there is so much to learn
all of a sudden about keeping yourself alive. There's so
much medical information that you have to learn, but there's
(01:50):
another component going on, and that is the psychological the
acceptance of it. I think it was maybe a month
after you were living with it and giving yoursel shots
and understanding that your pancreas didn't make insulin anymore, Like
you had to do this thing for yourself that your
body used to naturally do that other people don't even
(02:12):
ever have to think about. And I remember you saying,
I'm ready for this to just go away. Yeah, And
as soon as you said it, you knew it was
this look in your eyelight. But it's not going to
go away, right, Yeah. And so there's a lot at onset.
There's a lot right now that you, Lorie and your
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daughter are probably still processing.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I guess you could say that was the moment of acceptance,
you know, for me, of having to manage it. I mean,
obviously it's going You're going to spend a lifetime of
having moments where it's frustrating to you. But the way
the technology and everything is so much better today, the
science everything that they it was a huge study that
they did in the nineties where they saw that tight
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control basically you know, would keep you from ever having
any sort of comp locations. And I've been very blessed.
So I've had it now. I was diagnosed in ninety nine. Wow,
so that was twenty seven years ago. I've had it
for twenty seven years. Hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And you know, I he himself say that and You're like, oh.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, yeah, and I have no complications. So I guess
that's the first thing, Laurie, Just so you know, as
a mom, if it's managed tightly. You know, it absolutely
can be done that way. And the tight control is
the combination of what they've got today with which are
glucose monitors, and even if you don't have that to wear,
then you know, the fingerstick is always there. You're just
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you will learn the numbers, you'll learn the dosages, you'll
learn all of those things. And a lot of times
what they'll do before they put you on a pump
is have you do shots first so that you.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Understand manually what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, you need to actually really understand and I don't know. Look,
there may be some doctors now that recommend straight to
pump for tight control, but you have to understand the
dangers I guess of insulin too, because if you overdose,
you're going to go low and that'll put you into
a diabetic coma, you know, or worse. So giving the
shots and all that manually teaches you really the mechanics
(04:09):
of what's going on. Because once you know that, then
you will understand why you're programming your pump the way
that you are and how you're using you know. But
the insulin pump and the smart pumps of today, and
the fact that the monitors the glucose monitor that you
wear can also communicate with the pump is tighter control
now than it's ever been before. And the tight control
is the key, because that's the complications part. You're what's
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frustrating about type one diabetes is you're managing two different
sides of things. You're managing against the lows and you're
managing against the highs.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
The lows in the middle.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Right in the middle. And so because you know low dose,
a low is very possible because you're giving it. You know,
you're giving yourself insulin manually, even with you know, with
a pump. But you know, back to the diagnosis for
Lori's daughter, you know, give her time space to get
through that. Knowing other type ones or conversations like these
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actually help make the difference because you realize, Okay, it's normal.
It doesn't make you weird, it doesn't make you an
outcast or anything like that. There's nothing that you did.
It's not your fault. I mean, you have all these
things that you go through, you know, the the you're
really grieving the loss. It's like all of those things,
denial all freedom, yeah, denial all the way through acceptance,
(05:22):
and that takes a little bit of time. But once
you you know, adjust to that technology as such today
that it's you know, so much easier to manage than before.
I think what she's going to find is you're a
lot more focused on when you travel, what you have
to have, you know, to travel, before you go anywhere,
before you leave the house. If you're going to be
on an extended a lot of the spontaneity goes away,
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and some things that you can do because you have
to make sure that you've got your even if you
even if you're stopping for thirty seconds to say, Okay,
do I have my fingerstick? Or do I have another
CGM if I need it? Do I have enough insulin
in the pump right now? Do I have backup? Is
my prescription up to that?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
You know, all those things a lot to manage? And
do you have something to treat with?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, that's true too, Yeah, and I don't you know,
I mean the longer, that's what's weird. I used to
carry those nasty glucose tablets you know, in my pocket
and you know, thank goodness, they're all they're alternatives. Sometimes,
look in an emergency, you should have something for an
emergency because you hope to never need it or use it,
but it's there. But nine times out of ten for me,
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you know, a sprite is a lot more convenient, easy,
And you know, if I'm traveling, if I'm at an airport,
if I'm near a convenience store, wherever, I'm going to
be able to find something to treat with.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You know, I think over the years in talking to people,
we met a family once at a children's hospital and
we were doing a radiothon and her the mom. I
ended up talking to the mom a little bit because
she realized that you were a Type one diabetic, and
she realized that I was living with you. She was
living with her child who was like a preteen, and
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she was like, the thing that that kills me, that
gets me, is the misconception. It's so complicated. It's not
us as a family learning everything. She says, we had
no problem learning everything about how her life was going
to change and what she was going to need to do.
And you know, we had no problem learning all that
and we understand it. But it's the rest of the world,
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because you know, I think she said that they were
at a big table like at a birthday party and
somebody said something to them about, oh, she can't have
any cake. Don't don't she can't have any.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
And I still get that today.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's like, oh.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Cakes, as long as I have the right amount of insulin.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You know, you have to manually do what your body
used to do for you. And that's and you also
have to just learn to that. The world doesn't understand
and be okay with that.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Sure, and it doesn't right because it's my responsibility to
take care of it. It's no one else's. Again, it's
it's not my fault I have it. It certainly is no
one else's fault that I've got it. So it's up
to me to, you know, to man I.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Think one of the first times you dealt with the
way other people perceive it was at a Christmas at
my grandparents' house. Do you remember what I'm about to say?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah? I do. And it was really it was a
sweet gesture my grandmother.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
We were all coming over for I don't know, was
it Christmas time or some supper get together, and he
was new to the family and she knew that he was.
He had just been diagnosed with diabetes, and she brought
over to him a sugar free pie, which that's just
so sweet of her to have done. But what and
I don't think you went into it with her. We
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just said thank you, which is the correct thing.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, don't. I don't. I try to keep a brief
explanation if needed. But when somebody's offering the gesture nine
times out of ten, it's like thank you, it's okay
because you know the truth about the sugar free stuff,
it's not sugar. It's it's carbohydrate in total that turns
into sugar in your body, and fats and everything, so
you know counts. Usually there's going to be an offset,
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and the sugar free stuff the trade off is going
to be it's got more fat than sugar. And so
if you really look at the label, there's never really
a substantial calorie savings on it. And that goes back
to what I was going to say a minute ago
about the you know, the misconception about diet diet. Really
what I learned is that the what they call the
quote unquote diabetic diet is really what we should all follow. Anyway,
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somebody with type one, with type two, it's going to
be more restrictive depending on what your doctor has said,
your dietary needs are because that's a totally different type
of diabetes. Your body still makes insulin, it just resists it.
And depending on how that's done, you're managing the ability
for the body to do the same kind of thing.
But sometimes it's done with a combination.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Of efferent patient every single time different.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And a lot of times it can be managed through diet.
Type one is not like that at all. But the
biggest you know, and both of you know this because
it changed my It changed a lot of things. For
one thing, I quit smoking, which was very importan you know,
I was, you know, a cigarette smoker, and I'm that
got out of my life, which was great, you know,
And I was, I was that was more difficult and
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I honestly than adapting my eating habits. But the truth is,
you know, and you know that I literally eat whatever
I want, but I absolutely know the impact of everything
that I eat more than anybody who doesn't pay attention
to that on a regular basis. And what's weird is
I do, Yeah, I do miss that part you know,
of anything, right, But it's really I mean, and I
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don't mean this in a negative light whatsoever. It's just
kind of an ignorance thing. Ignoring something doesn't necessarily make
it not true. And because when you have to dose insulin,
and I can see if I eat more even with
the smart pump, and I start using more insulin, that's
my cue that, okay, I'm going to start gaining weight
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and and other things. You just you immediately see the impact. Yeah.
I remember the first one, and it just I was
giving shots. Jody remembers this well. And we'd ordered pizza
one night, Sam, one of your favorite things, And so
I thought that I'd calculated the carbs correctly. For I
think I had two slices of pizza that night, and
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I dosed and my sugar went crazy high that night,
and so I called the diabetic nurse the next morning.
I said, like, I guess I'm not managing this right.
She said, what did you have last night? I had
said I had two slices of pizza. She said, that's
your problem. You didn't calculate the amount of fat. She said,
you ate about a thousand calories and you probably didn't
dose for that. You were just thinking you had a
handful of like twenty games of carb. That's not what
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that piece of pizza, you know, has it.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It's the carbs with the fat, which slows down everything,
which slows down insulin, and it slows down that job
that the insulin that you dosed was in there in
your bloodstream, but it was slowed down.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well it's not. Actually I didn't dose enough insulin to
cover that pizza. Pizza. That's the whole, the mental math
part of it. And the thing is in someone you
know when your body still makes it.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Well yeah it yeah, it speaks later.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Is it fat metabic? Everything metabolizes to sugar, I guess
except for protein. Fat becomes sugar hours later. That's everybody's body.
That's not just a diaphetic that's everybody's body. That's why
when you eat something like that hours later you might
have this sudden I want to take a nap. It's
because your body is going whoa influx of sugar, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
It's exactly. Also why when you have a low blood
sugar you treat with something fast like a coke orange gee.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Oh yeah, because a candy bar is not gonna yet
you'll pass out where that candy bar takes whole in terms.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Of sugar immediately. So when you need to treat a
low blood sugar. It has to be fast. You have
to learn so much about the different components of what
you put in your body. You honestly are so much
more educated about what goes into your body and you're
more sensitive to your body, which I know you're not
grateful for your diabetes, but it has taught you a
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lot about your health.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah. No, there are a lot of components about it
that has it's it's changed so many different things because
you know, I was I mean two pop tarts and
chocolate milk was breakfast and a cigarette on the way
to work. Yeah, it wasn't a good long term health plan.
You know good, but you know so absolutely, I mean
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that part has turned it around. But you know, back
to Laurie, just so that you know, it's even though
all those complex things and I know that sounds highly technical,
all the things that we've talked about, you and your
daughter will learn those and they do become second nature
and you know, and it's totally manageable. It just requires
a certain focus. That's why a lot of type ones
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that you run into you don't know it until you
have a conversation or they pull their pump out or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Right, it's not obvious that you're a type one diabetic
until I hear that pump go right.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
This is a vague memory that I had of when
you first were diagnosed. But didn't you like run to
the grocery store right away and go to the diabetic
aisle or something and buy a lot of low sugar
things well before talking to the nurse and all that.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
So I had a I was misdiagnosed, which is interesting
because eventually you'll be in the hospital. You're not going
to be able to be misdiagnosed with type one for
very long. Eventually the keto acidosis and everything will kick in.
You will be in the hospital. So there's no not
knowing if you have type one diabetes. That's another thing.
And I thought it was just the flu getting worse. Uh,
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And I even told Jody at one point, I remember
looking out the window going, I feel like I'm dying.
I mean like I remember that literally, feeling like I
was dying. And in the doctor first doctor I had
who checked my blood sugar, which was over five hundred,
should have sent me somewhere, yeah, but he didn't, So
you said, you know, go he sent me home, and
he told me not to eat, you know, not to
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eat healthy. So what did I do? I went and
bought a bunch of fruit and other things which were
loaded with sugar, which only compounded the pro technically healthy
foods the absolute wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
To know what he is looking at.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Right and the But what you're probably remembering is the
first time I did go down the aisle and I
asked my dietbotic nurse about that. All they they've got
all these they've got a whole end dial of this
sugar free stuff. She's like, I don't bother with that.
It's going to be the same thing. And then you know,
plus it's got all these you know, the artificial sweeteners
and all those kinds of things in it. You're not
saving that much. If you want a cupcake, just eat
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a cupcake, you know, or if you want you know,
you know, a small bowl of ice cream or whatever,
anything that you do responsibly, because it's not at the
end of the day, all of those things, those baked goods,
they're still just like the ones. They still have the
components of the ones that have sugar.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
If that makes sense, still going to turn into sugar
in your bloodstream.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, so you know, the other thing, Laurie, I would
say that it's the benefit is you almost can see
inside your own body once you learn how to do blood,
sugar and all the other things. I don't mean, excuse me,
I don't mean preventing, you know, other health problems. That's
not what I mean by that. I'm just talking about
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how the body itself functions with what you eat. And
you will immediately you know, know what things are you
know too much you know, and what is what is
not enough in the difference, and you start to learn
about things that do have carb that you would never
think about because as a kid, I don't know, I
was taught all vegetables are good, all fruits are good.
(16:29):
But you know, some vegetables are starchy vegetables. They've got carb.
You've got to count that, You've got to dose for that.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's not that it's not good for you. It's just
that he has to doze insulin for potatoes.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yep, that's right. But they do say that somewhere in
the near future, and they are so close on this
with a number of these pumps. The pumps are getting
smaller to the point where you don't oh, and don't
did we do a podcast on this one already about
the advance that I found out from my endo chronologists.
Last time, i'll tell you about the new way of
blood sugar measurement.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I don't remember if you told me at home.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Right anyway, it didn't do it here. No, So you
know it's for birth control. There is a something that
can be inserted under the skin. I guess, Jody, that
lasts for you know, six months, twelve months or stuffing
like that. It's the same thing now for it's it's close. Actually,
I think the sensor may exist, but they just pushed
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They pushed the sensor under your skin. You have to
do that at the doctor's office, and they just localize
on the area. You know, you don't do that. You
can't at the bathroom at work. You can't do that. Yeah, yeah,
you know the current versions with cgms, you can do
that all day long yourself. But yeah, that and then
so there's nothing that's like you don't have to change it.
It lasts for a whole year, and it will communicate
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with its receiver. I don't think right now it communicates
with all pumps. Is the whole thing. It's the integration
and every time they get these these blood sugar you know,
transmitters to UH work with a pump. The FDA has
to approve it. Obviously, there's a lot of testing that
goes into that because if there's a misdi you know,
a misdosage of something, meaning an incorrect dosage like an overdosing,
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that can put you in a bad spot. But it's
getting to the point where you know, the pumps, well,
some of the pumps don't even have screens on them anymore.
They're strictly operated by your phone or they're pre programmed
in advance and so, and they're like literally the size
of about the size of a credit card. One of
them is about half the size of a credit cards.
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It's thicker than a credit card, but you know, in
terms of width, and so it's very possible here in
the next you know, a couple of months or so,
some pretty significant advances in that. I'm excited about the subdermal,
the thing that goes under the skin, because if I
don't have to change right now, I'm changing my CGM.
I wear a dex Com G seven. They're about to
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authorize those to go fifteen days instead of ten, which
will be great but right now it's every ten days
itself off, so there's no way for you to wear
it for longer than ten days. And I mean again,
I'm used to it now, and G seven smaller than
the G six. It's easy. But having it under my
skin for a year and not having to worry about
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that is pretty awesome.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Right. Do they put it in your arm?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah? It goes up, you know, I don't I don't
know what part of the arm or where. I mean
they know where they want to put it, but yeah,
probably run a bicep or somewhere. You know, that'll look
great when I'm working out.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
You know, twenty seven years you've had it. Do you
still have frustrations occasionally? I mean other than oh, your
pump's acting up or something like that. That's not it
is diabetic related, But it's not diabetic related. I mean
just frustration that you're having to do this still every
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day or you pass that.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
No, I mean it's if the pump only. It only
gets my attention when something like the pump or the
CGM aren't working properly. Right, And no matter what I do,
I can't get my sugar to come down. And some
days you're just going to have a day where that
you don't know what's going on inside of your body.
You could be fighting a virus that never really turns
into anything with symptoms, and that's your body's fight, you know,
mechanism which in everybody raises your blood sugar and in
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everybody you know you, your body produces more insulin to
offset that. For me, I've got the dose for that.
It's the same reason that I've got to be really
careful about steroid shots. You know. Those are the kinds
of things are you know, of the presni zone, that
kind of stuff. It's if I absolutely need it, I
can take it. But when I take it, I have
to I have to do the pump at a higher rate.
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But I mean the initial I think the initial things
that used to make me really angry aren't a problem.
It's only when it happens in a moment of inconvenience.
If all of a sudden, you know, I'm ready to
go to bed, and that's when the pump is out
of insulin and it's time to change the G seven
and nothing had alerted me before then, or I just
missed the alerts or whatever. That can be frustrating, but now.
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I mean, honestly, I'm at a place in life where
the benefit, as stupid as this sounds, the benefits from
me are outweighing the negatives on it, thanks thanks to
the technology, and I've learned so much. I mean, it's
not it's not been. It's not an easy, you know discipline.
But I'm just a long time ago made up my mind.
(21:19):
This was before our girls were born, Jody, you know
that I wanted to be wanted to be around for Jody.
She and I were just in a new relationship. It
was very clearly explained to me what the complications are like,
because you if you're not careful, it's probably less likely
you're going to fudge things. Now if you're wearing a
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smart pump and you have a CGM and the continuous
glucose monitor and you have the smart aspects working in
your favor to those because you don't have to think,
as you know, much about some of those things, which
is a relief.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And it's there in front of you. It's data in
front of you that's but current in your body.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
But I'm I'm so cognizant of those complications that I
made some significant, you know, changes in my life and
like my eating style. I mean I would say that,
you know, I would say I'm an average eater, you know.
I mean there are things I'm I know that I'm
losing weight now and I'm using a lot less insulin
because I'm you know, eating less. But it's like anything else,
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you actually have to you have to think about those things.
But once you start to accept and know what those
things are and what's going to be a treat for
you and what is just like a no, this is
you should know that this is going to add you know,
if it's in a wrapper and you see the back
of it says five hundred calories, get ready to dose
some insulin, because that's exactly what's going to happen. You know.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
We've also learned that a shinier it is in a restaurant,
more fatist.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, oil and all that kind of stuff too.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I've it's shiny, that's what that is.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But I'm really just it's a it's a good question
because Sam, you've known me as long as as Jody
has with the diabetes, and so I'm not Uh, it
has its frustrating moments, but I'm not really angry at it. Anymore.
I mean, I'm a healthier person, I know me. I
mean I'm mister compulsive. You know. If I see something,
I want it, I get it. And it's always the
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way I've been. And I've really had to work on
my relationship with you know, food and those things through
the years to make sure that I understand what it
really takes to, you know, to manage this, because with
type one, it is it's life or death. It depends
on how long you're going to you know, prolong that.
(23:35):
But because I actually have a meter and things that
tell me what's going on inside of my body, I
can't turn a blind eye to it and just ignore it.
And if somebody is not insulin dependent, which is the
case for a lot of type two diabetics, it is
and I used to wish that I was type too.
Jody remembers that too. It's like, maybe they'll tell me
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this is type two, maybe I won't be insulin dependent,
maybe I can find some other way to manage it.
But but I also know in my brain really what
that meant is, I don't want to have to focus
this hard on on you know, what I'm eating. And
so the gift for me of being insulin dependent is
I had to learn those things. I had to understand that, Okay,
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these are the consequences of letting your blood sugar going high,
you know, go high for long periods of time, and
you have to know what your bodily limits are. And
I've got, you know, all this data in front of
me to help keep me on track. Whereas it would
be easy to deny it if I had Type two
and you know, didn't really feel anything necessarily, and I
wasn't any real danger because I'm not giving insulin blah
(24:40):
blah blah blah blah. It's kind of like high blood pressure.
That's why they called type two diabetes the silent killer.
But you know, detections a lot better now. Most people
do go in for blood tests when they go to
the doctor. You know, fasting blood sugar is usually going
to be one of those or if not, they'll know
even if you're not fasting, you know, what your blood
sugar should be. If you go in and your blood
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sugar is one seventy, to throw that number out, they're
going to flag that and say you need to come
in for a fasting test so that they can see
if you're you know, having issues because even you know,
with the worst meals that you'll eat, if you don't
have type one diabetes and your body still makes sense,
then yeah, you might get up around one thirty is
one forty maybe maybe maybe one fifty somewhere in there,
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but your body knows how to correct itself and bring
itself back down. So there are numbers that'll raise, you know,
red flags. But you know, as Lori's daughter found out,
you know, when it's type one, it's just it manifests itself.
You can wind up in the hospital. Keto acidosis is
what will you know put you there? And so you
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will certainly know if you have it, But you know
you're going to do fine, Lori and your daughter is
going to do fine because there's so much great tech,
there's so much great support. There are people you know
who understand that you know how to help you through
all those things, whether it's the anger part or the
food part.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Septance.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, I mean the indochronologists you know in our country
or top notch. The diabetic nurses in our country are
top notch. To show you what a bond you know,
you build with them. I hadn't seen one of my
diabetic nurses from twenty seven years ago coincidentally got on
a plane a few weeks ago. Pam is her name,
and she was she was there, and it's like you
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have this instant reconnection of remembering all the emotions and
how how she poured everything into making sure that I
understood and I felt taken care of. And so, yes,
there are so many tools at your disposal to be
able to manage this, and you know, enjoy your life
even when you have the tough moments. And yes, you're
going to be mad at some of it, and yes,
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the numbers aren't going to be what you want always
in your A one C. And yes it is a
lifetime commitment, but it's all doable.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, I know it's a lot to talk about. Well,
continue to do that too for you, Laurie, and thank
you for listening.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
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Welcome to the Murphy, Sam and Jody after the show podcast, So.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Laurie had emailed us at Murphysalmonjeddy dot com about type
one diabetes. She heard us that you mention it a
couple of days ago. She heard it on the podcast
and said that she wants to hear more because her daughter,
who is in college now, has just been diagnosed like
late last year. So that's brand new to the world
(00:24):
of type one diabetes. And Murphy is our type one diabetic.
I say, ours, You're a type one diabetic, one of
the few only six percent, is that, right, of the
world's diabetic population or type one?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, because most ninety four percent is type two.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And so let's do this for Lori and her daughter.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah right, I mean for anybody else who I guess
who needs to understand or his experience. And so I
don't know how Laurie's daughter is college age. I'm assuming
no younger than eighteen, no older than early twenties. Nonetheless,
that's that's long enough in your life where you've already
established a lot of your eating habits and things that
you're used to. And so say it's a significant life change,
(01:03):
really just and it doesn't necessarily wind up being a
life change in what you eat as much as how
you manage everything else. Eating is part of it, but
the whammy is the fear factor that you wind up with.
It's like, okay, I'm insulin independent now, so and there
is no cure for it. It's not going away. There's
nothing that you did to cause it. Therefore there's nothing
(01:24):
that you can do to make it go away. So
all you can do is manage it.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
When you know, when I go back to when you
were diagnosed Murphy, you and I were head had just
started really spending time together. You know, we were new
in a relationship, and there is so much to learn
all of a sudden about keeping yourself alive. There's so
much medical information that you have to learn, but there's
(01:50):
another component going on, and that is the psychological the
acceptance of it. I think it was maybe a month
after you were living with it and giving yoursel shots
and understanding that your pancreas didn't make insulin anymore, Like
you had to do this thing for yourself that your
body used to naturally do that other people don't even
(02:12):
ever have to think about. And I remember you saying,
I'm ready for this to just go away. Yeah, And
as soon as you said it, you knew it was
this look in your eyelight. But it's not going to
go away, right, Yeah. And so there's a lot at onset.
There's a lot right now that you, Lorie and your
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daughter are probably still processing.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I guess you could say that was the moment of acceptance,
you know, for me, of having to manage it. I mean,
obviously it's going You're going to spend a lifetime of
having moments where it's frustrating to you. But the way
the technology and everything is so much better today, the
science everything that they it was a huge study that
they did in the nineties where they saw that tight
(02:55):
control basically you know, would keep you from ever having
any sort of comp locations. And I've been very blessed.
So I've had it now. I was diagnosed in ninety nine. Wow,
so that was twenty seven years ago. I've had it
for twenty seven years. Hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And you know, I he himself say that and You're like, oh.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, yeah, and I have no complications. So I guess
that's the first thing, Laurie, Just so you know, as
a mom, if it's managed tightly. You know, it absolutely
can be done that way. And the tight control is
the combination of what they've got today with which are
glucose monitors, and even if you don't have that to wear,
then you know, the fingerstick is always there. You're just
(03:34):
you will learn the numbers, you'll learn the dosages, you'll
learn all of those things. And a lot of times
what they'll do before they put you on a pump
is have you do shots first so that you.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Understand manually what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, you need to actually really understand and I don't know. Look,
there may be some doctors now that recommend straight to
pump for tight control, but you have to understand the
dangers I guess of insulin too, because if you overdose,
you're going to go low and that'll put you into
a diabetic coma, you know, or worse. So giving the
shots and all that manually teaches you really the mechanics
(04:09):
of what's going on. Because once you know that, then
you will understand why you're programming your pump the way
that you are and how you're using you know. But
the insulin pump and the smart pumps of today, and
the fact that the monitors the glucose monitor that you
wear can also communicate with the pump is tighter control
now than it's ever been before. And the tight control
is the key, because that's the complications part. You're what's
(04:31):
frustrating about type one diabetes is you're managing two different
sides of things. You're managing against the lows and you're
managing against the highs.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
The lows in the middle.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Right in the middle. And so because you know low dose,
a low is very possible because you're giving it. You know,
you're giving yourself insulin manually, even with you know, with
a pump. But you know, back to the diagnosis for
Lori's daughter, you know, give her time space to get
through that. Knowing other type ones or conversations like these
(05:01):
actually help make the difference because you realize, Okay, it's normal.
It doesn't make you weird, it doesn't make you an
outcast or anything like that. There's nothing that you did.
It's not your fault. I mean, you have all these
things that you go through, you know, the the you're
really grieving the loss. It's like all of those things,
denial all freedom, yeah, denial all the way through acceptance,
(05:22):
and that takes a little bit of time. But once
you you know, adjust to that technology as such today
that it's you know, so much easier to manage than before.
I think what she's going to find is you're a
lot more focused on when you travel, what you have
to have, you know, to travel, before you go anywhere,
before you leave the house. If you're going to be
on an extended a lot of the spontaneity goes away,
(05:44):
and some things that you can do because you have
to make sure that you've got your even if you
even if you're stopping for thirty seconds to say, Okay,
do I have my fingerstick? Or do I have another
CGM if I need it? Do I have enough insulin
in the pump right now? Do I have backup? Is
my prescription up to that?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
You know, all those things a lot to manage? And
do you have something to treat with?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, that's true too, Yeah, and I don't you know,
I mean the longer, that's what's weird. I used to
carry those nasty glucose tablets you know, in my pocket
and you know, thank goodness, they're all they're alternatives. Sometimes,
look in an emergency, you should have something for an
emergency because you hope to never need it or use it,
but it's there. But nine times out of ten for me,
(06:27):
you know, a sprite is a lot more convenient, easy,
And you know, if I'm traveling, if I'm at an airport,
if I'm near a convenience store, wherever, I'm going to
be able to find something to treat with.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You know, I think over the years in talking to people,
we met a family once at a children's hospital and
we were doing a radiothon and her the mom. I
ended up talking to the mom a little bit because
she realized that you were a Type one diabetic, and
she realized that I was living with you. She was
living with her child who was like a preteen, and
(07:00):
she was like, the thing that that kills me, that
gets me, is the misconception. It's so complicated. It's not
us as a family learning everything. She says, we had
no problem learning everything about how her life was going
to change and what she was going to need to do.
And you know, we had no problem learning all that
and we understand it. But it's the rest of the world,
(07:22):
because you know, I think she said that they were
at a big table like at a birthday party and
somebody said something to them about, oh, she can't have
any cake. Don't don't she can't have any.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
And I still get that today.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's like, oh.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Cakes, as long as I have the right amount of insulin.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You know, you have to manually do what your body
used to do for you. And that's and you also
have to just learn to that. The world doesn't understand
and be okay with that.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Sure, and it doesn't right because it's my responsibility to
take care of it. It's no one else's. Again, it's
it's not my fault I have it. It certainly is no
one else's fault that I've got it. So it's up
to me to, you know, to man I.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Think one of the first times you dealt with the
way other people perceive it was at a Christmas at
my grandparents' house. Do you remember what I'm about to say?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah? I do. And it was really it was a
sweet gesture my grandmother.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
We were all coming over for I don't know, was
it Christmas time or some supper get together, and he
was new to the family and she knew that he was.
He had just been diagnosed with diabetes, and she brought
over to him a sugar free pie, which that's just
so sweet of her to have done. But what and
I don't think you went into it with her. We
(08:36):
just said thank you, which is the correct thing.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, don't. I don't. I try to keep a brief
explanation if needed. But when somebody's offering the gesture nine
times out of ten, it's like thank you, it's okay
because you know the truth about the sugar free stuff,
it's not sugar. It's it's carbohydrate in total that turns
into sugar in your body, and fats and everything, so
you know counts. Usually there's going to be an offset,
(08:58):
and the sugar free stuff the trade off is going
to be it's got more fat than sugar. And so
if you really look at the label, there's never really
a substantial calorie savings on it. And that goes back
to what I was going to say a minute ago
about the you know, the misconception about diet diet. Really
what I learned is that the what they call the
quote unquote diabetic diet is really what we should all follow. Anyway,
(09:23):
somebody with type one, with type two, it's going to
be more restrictive depending on what your doctor has said,
your dietary needs are because that's a totally different type
of diabetes. Your body still makes insulin, it just resists it.
And depending on how that's done, you're managing the ability
for the body to do the same kind of thing.
But sometimes it's done with a combination.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Of efferent patient every single time different.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And a lot of times it can be managed through diet.
Type one is not like that at all. But the
biggest you know, and both of you know this because
it changed my It changed a lot of things. For
one thing, I quit smoking, which was very importan you know,
I was, you know, a cigarette smoker, and I'm that
got out of my life, which was great, you know,
And I was, I was that was more difficult and
(10:08):
I honestly than adapting my eating habits. But the truth is,
you know, and you know that I literally eat whatever
I want, but I absolutely know the impact of everything
that I eat more than anybody who doesn't pay attention
to that on a regular basis. And what's weird is
I do, Yeah, I do miss that part you know,
of anything, right, But it's really I mean, and I
(10:32):
don't mean this in a negative light whatsoever. It's just
kind of an ignorance thing. Ignoring something doesn't necessarily make
it not true. And because when you have to dose insulin,
and I can see if I eat more even with
the smart pump, and I start using more insulin, that's
my cue that, okay, I'm going to start gaining weight
(10:54):
and and other things. You just you immediately see the impact. Yeah.
I remember the first one, and it just I was
giving shots. Jody remembers this well. And we'd ordered pizza
one night, Sam, one of your favorite things, And so
I thought that I'd calculated the carbs correctly. For I
think I had two slices of pizza that night, and
(11:15):
I dosed and my sugar went crazy high that night,
and so I called the diabetic nurse the next morning.
I said, like, I guess I'm not managing this right.
She said, what did you have last night? I had
said I had two slices of pizza. She said, that's
your problem. You didn't calculate the amount of fat. She said,
you ate about a thousand calories and you probably didn't
dose for that. You were just thinking you had a
handful of like twenty games of carb. That's not what
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that piece of pizza, you know, has it.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It's the carbs with the fat, which slows down everything,
which slows down insulin, and it slows down that job
that the insulin that you dosed was in there in
your bloodstream, but it was slowed down.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well it's not. Actually I didn't dose enough insulin to
cover that pizza. Pizza. That's the whole, the mental math
part of it. And the thing is in someone you
know when your body still makes it.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Well yeah it yeah, it speaks later.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Is it fat metabic? Everything metabolizes to sugar, I guess
except for protein. Fat becomes sugar hours later. That's everybody's body.
That's not just a diaphetic that's everybody's body. That's why
when you eat something like that hours later you might
have this sudden I want to take a nap. It's
because your body is going whoa influx of sugar, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
It's exactly. Also why when you have a low blood
sugar you treat with something fast like a coke orange gee.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Oh yeah, because a candy bar is not gonna yet
you'll pass out where that candy bar takes whole in terms.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Of sugar immediately. So when you need to treat a
low blood sugar. It has to be fast. You have
to learn so much about the different components of what
you put in your body. You honestly are so much
more educated about what goes into your body and you're
more sensitive to your body, which I know you're not
grateful for your diabetes, but it has taught you a
(12:59):
lot about your health.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah. No, there are a lot of components about it
that has it's it's changed so many different things because
you know, I was I mean two pop tarts and
chocolate milk was breakfast and a cigarette on the way
to work. Yeah, it wasn't a good long term health plan.
You know good, but you know so absolutely, I mean
(13:22):
that part has turned it around. But you know, back
to Laurie, just so that you know, it's even though
all those complex things and I know that sounds highly technical,
all the things that we've talked about, you and your
daughter will learn those and they do become second nature
and you know, and it's totally manageable. It just requires
a certain focus. That's why a lot of type ones
(13:44):
that you run into you don't know it until you
have a conversation or they pull their pump out or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Right, it's not obvious that you're a type one diabetic
until I hear that pump go right.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
This is a vague memory that I had of when
you first were diagnosed. But didn't you like run to
the grocery store right away and go to the diabetic
aisle or something and buy a lot of low sugar
things well before talking to the nurse and all that.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
So I had a I was misdiagnosed, which is interesting
because eventually you'll be in the hospital. You're not going
to be able to be misdiagnosed with type one for
very long. Eventually the keto acidosis and everything will kick in.
You will be in the hospital. So there's no not
knowing if you have type one diabetes. That's another thing.
And I thought it was just the flu getting worse. Uh,
(14:31):
And I even told Jody at one point, I remember
looking out the window going, I feel like I'm dying.
I mean like I remember that literally, feeling like I
was dying. And in the doctor first doctor I had
who checked my blood sugar, which was over five hundred,
should have sent me somewhere, yeah, but he didn't, So
you said, you know, go he sent me home, and
he told me not to eat, you know, not to
(14:52):
eat healthy. So what did I do? I went and
bought a bunch of fruit and other things which were
loaded with sugar, which only compounded the pro technically healthy
foods the absolute wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
To know what he is looking at.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Right and the But what you're probably remembering is the
first time I did go down the aisle and I
asked my dietbotic nurse about that. All they they've got
all these they've got a whole end dial of this
sugar free stuff. She's like, I don't bother with that.
It's going to be the same thing. And then you know,
plus it's got all these you know, the artificial sweeteners
and all those kinds of things in it. You're not
saving that much. If you want a cupcake, just eat
(15:27):
a cupcake, you know, or if you want you know,
you know, a small bowl of ice cream or whatever,
anything that you do responsibly, because it's not at the
end of the day, all of those things, those baked goods,
they're still just like the ones. They still have the
components of the ones that have sugar.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
If that makes sense, still going to turn into sugar
in your bloodstream.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, so you know, the other thing, Laurie, I would
say that it's the benefit is you almost can see
inside your own body once you learn how to do blood,
sugar and all the other things. I don't mean, excuse me,
I don't mean preventing, you know, other health problems. That's
not what I mean by that. I'm just talking about
(16:08):
how the body itself functions with what you eat. And
you will immediately you know, know what things are you
know too much you know, and what is what is
not enough in the difference, and you start to learn
about things that do have carb that you would never
think about because as a kid, I don't know, I
was taught all vegetables are good, all fruits are good.
(16:29):
But you know, some vegetables are starchy vegetables. They've got carb.
You've got to count that, You've got to dose for that.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's not that it's not good for you. It's just
that he has to doze insulin for potatoes.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yep, that's right. But they do say that somewhere in
the near future, and they are so close on this
with a number of these pumps. The pumps are getting
smaller to the point where you don't oh, and don't
did we do a podcast on this one already about
the advance that I found out from my endo chronologists.
Last time, i'll tell you about the new way of
blood sugar measurement.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I don't remember if you told me at home.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Right anyway, it didn't do it here. No, So you
know it's for birth control. There is a something that
can be inserted under the skin. I guess, Jody, that
lasts for you know, six months, twelve months or stuffing
like that. It's the same thing now for it's it's close. Actually,
I think the sensor may exist, but they just pushed
(17:22):
They pushed the sensor under your skin. You have to
do that at the doctor's office, and they just localize
on the area. You know, you don't do that. You
can't at the bathroom at work. You can't do that. Yeah, yeah,
you know the current versions with cgms, you can do
that all day long yourself. But yeah, that and then
so there's nothing that's like you don't have to change it.
It lasts for a whole year, and it will communicate
(17:45):
with its receiver. I don't think right now it communicates
with all pumps. Is the whole thing. It's the integration
and every time they get these these blood sugar you know,
transmitters to UH work with a pump. The FDA has
to approve it. Obviously, there's a lot of testing that
goes into that because if there's a misdi you know,
a misdosage of something, meaning an incorrect dosage like an overdosing,
(18:10):
that can put you in a bad spot. But it's
getting to the point where you know, the pumps, well,
some of the pumps don't even have screens on them anymore.
They're strictly operated by your phone or they're pre programmed
in advance and so, and they're like literally the size
of about the size of a credit card. One of
them is about half the size of a credit cards.
(18:30):
It's thicker than a credit card, but you know, in
terms of width, and so it's very possible here in
the next you know, a couple of months or so,
some pretty significant advances in that. I'm excited about the subdermal,
the thing that goes under the skin, because if I
don't have to change right now, I'm changing my CGM.
I wear a dex Com G seven. They're about to
(18:52):
authorize those to go fifteen days instead of ten, which
will be great but right now it's every ten days
itself off, so there's no way for you to wear
it for longer than ten days. And I mean again,
I'm used to it now, and G seven smaller than
the G six. It's easy. But having it under my
skin for a year and not having to worry about
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that is pretty awesome.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Right. Do they put it in your arm?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah? It goes up, you know, I don't I don't
know what part of the arm or where. I mean
they know where they want to put it, but yeah,
probably run a bicep or somewhere. You know, that'll look
great when I'm working out.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
You know, twenty seven years you've had it. Do you
still have frustrations occasionally? I mean other than oh, your
pump's acting up or something like that. That's not it
is diabetic related, But it's not diabetic related. I mean
just frustration that you're having to do this still every
(19:48):
day or you pass that.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
No, I mean it's if the pump only. It only
gets my attention when something like the pump or the
CGM aren't working properly. Right, And no matter what I do,
I can't get my sugar to come down. And some
days you're just going to have a day where that
you don't know what's going on inside of your body.
You could be fighting a virus that never really turns
into anything with symptoms, and that's your body's fight, you know,
mechanism which in everybody raises your blood sugar and in
(20:12):
everybody you know you, your body produces more insulin to
offset that. For me, I've got the dose for that.
It's the same reason that I've got to be really
careful about steroid shots. You know. Those are the kinds
of things are you know, of the presni zone, that
kind of stuff. It's if I absolutely need it, I
can take it. But when I take it, I have
to I have to do the pump at a higher rate.
(20:34):
But I mean the initial I think the initial things
that used to make me really angry aren't a problem.
It's only when it happens in a moment of inconvenience.
If all of a sudden, you know, I'm ready to
go to bed, and that's when the pump is out
of insulin and it's time to change the G seven
and nothing had alerted me before then, or I just
missed the alerts or whatever. That can be frustrating, but now.
(20:57):
I mean, honestly, I'm at a place in life where
the benefit, as stupid as this sounds, the benefits from
me are outweighing the negatives on it, thanks thanks to
the technology, and I've learned so much. I mean, it's
not it's not been. It's not an easy, you know discipline.
But I'm just a long time ago made up my mind.
(21:19):
This was before our girls were born, Jody, you know
that I wanted to be wanted to be around for Jody.
She and I were just in a new relationship. It
was very clearly explained to me what the complications are like,
because you if you're not careful, it's probably less likely
you're going to fudge things. Now if you're wearing a
(21:39):
smart pump and you have a CGM and the continuous
glucose monitor and you have the smart aspects working in
your favor to those because you don't have to think,
as you know, much about some of those things, which
is a relief.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And it's there in front of you. It's data in
front of you that's but current in your body.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
But I'm I'm so cognizant of those complications that I
made some significant, you know, changes in my life and
like my eating style. I mean I would say that,
you know, I would say I'm an average eater, you know.
I mean there are things I'm I know that I'm
losing weight now and I'm using a lot less insulin
because I'm you know, eating less. But it's like anything else,
(22:18):
you actually have to you have to think about those things.
But once you start to accept and know what those
things are and what's going to be a treat for
you and what is just like a no, this is
you should know that this is going to add you know,
if it's in a wrapper and you see the back
of it says five hundred calories, get ready to dose
some insulin, because that's exactly what's going to happen. You know.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
We've also learned that a shinier it is in a restaurant,
more fatist.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, oil and all that kind of stuff too.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I've it's shiny, that's what that is.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But I'm really just it's a it's a good question
because Sam, you've known me as long as as Jody
has with the diabetes, and so I'm not Uh, it
has its frustrating moments, but I'm not really angry at it. Anymore.
I mean, I'm a healthier person, I know me. I
mean I'm mister compulsive. You know. If I see something,
I want it, I get it. And it's always the
(23:12):
way I've been. And I've really had to work on
my relationship with you know, food and those things through
the years to make sure that I understand what it
really takes to, you know, to manage this, because with
type one, it is it's life or death. It depends
on how long you're going to you know, prolong that.
(23:35):
But because I actually have a meter and things that
tell me what's going on inside of my body, I
can't turn a blind eye to it and just ignore it.
And if somebody is not insulin dependent, which is the
case for a lot of type two diabetics, it is
and I used to wish that I was type too.
Jody remembers that too. It's like, maybe they'll tell me
(23:57):
this is type two, maybe I won't be insulin dependent,
maybe I can find some other way to manage it.
But but I also know in my brain really what
that meant is, I don't want to have to focus
this hard on on you know, what I'm eating. And
so the gift for me of being insulin dependent is
I had to learn those things. I had to understand that, Okay,
(24:19):
these are the consequences of letting your blood sugar going high,
you know, go high for long periods of time, and
you have to know what your bodily limits are. And
I've got, you know, all this data in front of
me to help keep me on track. Whereas it would
be easy to deny it if I had Type two
and you know, didn't really feel anything necessarily, and I
wasn't any real danger because I'm not giving insulin blah
(24:40):
blah blah blah blah. It's kind of like high blood pressure.
That's why they called type two diabetes the silent killer.
But you know, detections a lot better now. Most people
do go in for blood tests when they go to
the doctor. You know, fasting blood sugar is usually going
to be one of those or if not, they'll know
even if you're not fasting, you know, what your blood
sugar should be. If you go in and your blood
(25:00):
sugar is one seventy, to throw that number out, they're
going to flag that and say you need to come
in for a fasting test so that they can see
if you're you know, having issues because even you know,
with the worst meals that you'll eat, if you don't
have type one diabetes and your body still makes sense,
then yeah, you might get up around one thirty is
one forty maybe maybe maybe one fifty somewhere in there,
(25:23):
but your body knows how to correct itself and bring
itself back down. So there are numbers that'll raise, you know,
red flags. But you know, as Lori's daughter found out,
you know, when it's type one, it's just it manifests itself.
You can wind up in the hospital. Keto acidosis is
what will you know put you there? And so you
(25:43):
will certainly know if you have it, But you know
you're going to do fine, Lori and your daughter is
going to do fine because there's so much great tech,
there's so much great support. There are people you know
who understand that you know how to help you through
all those things, whether it's the anger part or the
food part.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Septance.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, I mean the indochronologists you know in our country
or top notch. The diabetic nurses in our country are
top notch. To show you what a bond you know,
you build with them. I hadn't seen one of my
diabetic nurses from twenty seven years ago coincidentally got on
a plane a few weeks ago. Pam is her name,
and she was she was there, and it's like you
(26:26):
have this instant reconnection of remembering all the emotions and
how how she poured everything into making sure that I
understood and I felt taken care of. And so, yes,
there are so many tools at your disposal to be
able to manage this, and you know, enjoy your life
even when you have the tough moments. And yes, you're
going to be mad at some of it, and yes,
(26:47):
the numbers aren't going to be what you want always
in your A one C. And yes it is a
lifetime commitment, but it's all doable.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, I know it's a lot to talk about. Well,
continue to do that too for you, Laurie, and thank
you for listening.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
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