March 2, 2026 • 11 mins
Murphy rides in an Uber with Frank Sinatra.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Jody after the show podcast.
I always love people who are so comfortable in their
own skin that they will just do their own thing
and they're not really worried about what anybody thinks, you know,
around them, Because not everybody's that way, right. I mean
a lot of people do kind of succumb to the
peer pressure thing or whatever and don't really show themselves.
(00:21):
But there was an uber driver that I was riding
with a couple of weeks ago, and I don't think
I've shared this story with you yet, Jody, and it's
it's weird to me because this dovetails and is something
that our daughters did also. But I get in the
car and I've pulled the door shut and this is
what's playing. I look up on his screen and he's
listening to the best of Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, now, this is my uber.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
He's twenty eight years old. He moved to the US
from the Middle East but ten years ago, and he
just his obsession is the rat Pack and Sinatra and
that whole He loves the music from that time period.
So that's literally all that was playing on the entire ride.
(01:05):
I didn't at first I'm thinking already, is he like,
is it a playlist or is he doing some sort
of random channel? He way, But it was a great
conversation starter for us because, as you know, Jody, Yeah,
that's a huge fan that time period. I you know,
I love although I'm not it's not like I've been
listening to it lately. I gravitate in and out of it.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Did you have like any like things to offer him
that he didn't know about.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
No, he pretty much knew all because he is such
a he he believes that. And we were just talking
about how how relevant Frank Sinatra actually still is in
twenty twenty six, which is pretty mind blowing when you
think about it in certain ways, when you talk about
that trendiness to coolness. His music is still played. You
could be in a restaurant, you could be shopping, you know,
(01:47):
in a store or something, you're going to hear him
still get played, and more so than a lot of
the vocalists from that era.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And you recognize the voice. You know who it is
when you hear his voice.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, but we were talking about how you know just
everything A to Z. He just he absolutely loves the music.
It's the style of it really for him. It's mostly
the music. I just thought at that, you know, that age,
because Frank is my grandparents' music. It's to technically not
even anywhere close to you know, hours and so when
you're talking about somebody who's in there, you know, late
(02:18):
twenties and early thirties, really consuming and loving that because
you can.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Be, you know, in your twenties now you can be
exposed to things that you wouldn't have been even you
were twenty years old at a different time.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, everything's at your fingertips now, right.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That's one of the beautiful things about the world and
the way you can consume all this history, whether it
be of music or literature or art or whatever. It
may be the reason that you had to introduce me
to Frank Murphy. And you know, I was very resistant
to him at first. I was like, who is this?
You know, he thinks he really thinks highly of himself.
(02:54):
RISES didn't want to let that in. I was never
introduced to it. It was not played in my homegrowning up.
I knew of Frank Sinatra and I couldn't relate. Yeah,
and so no one ever said, listen to this, this
is good because or listen to it was just never
you are the person who introduced me to Frank, and
I was in my late twenties. Yeah, and now honestly,
(03:15):
when you play it, I enjoy it. Can you believe
I'm saying that.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
No, I can't. You know, it took a couple of decades,
but you got it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I'm curious that you say he's been here about ten years.
Did he pick up Frank and the rat Pack when
before he got here or he's gotten here now.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
My impression of it is that since he's a kid, wow, yeah, yeah,
I mean, Frank's international and you know the same thing
you can, like Jody was saying, you can search anything
on YouTube, and so I mean the influence of American
you know, music and you know, Western culture overseas obviously
has you know, has its impact. And when you think
(03:52):
about he also, I mean he would do tours where
he would pack places where he would you know, travel
overseas and do your being tours. So I'm sure there's
a huge influence there. I think there might have been
a gap, you know, when we were growing up, just
because you tend to you know, I don't want to
say rebel against your parents' music. It's not that my parents,
(04:14):
you know, enjoyed Frank thing. They didn't have Frank Sinatra albums.
My grandparents did, but my parents, you know, didn't. And
so I don't know really where I don't know that
I picked up the influence of Frank until they started
going back and they started finding the original master tapes
and started to put them to CD. That was really
sort of the beginning of going and grabbing all of
(04:34):
this old music from you know, what do they call that?
The not the Golden Age? What do they call that?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It's the American Songbook is what they call that. And
you know that time period. And so now that all
of it's been remastered and remastered and remastered, it's back
out there. And so that's probably the reason I was
exposed to it. It just happened to be a CD at
that time. And now you know, now it's the download.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Did y'all get to talking about, you know, the current
the folks nowadays that are kind of emulating the Big
Band or the Sinatras, like Harry Connig Junior, Michael Boublay,
any of that, or but he's all just right.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
No, it's a frank thing him. Yeah, this was just
this was just a this was just a frank you know,
just a frank thing. But anyway, he went on his way.
But I just it was really cool to hop in,
you know, an uber and I've it's not like music's
not playing in other ubers always. I thought that was
a really interesting choice, and I even asked him that
when my worst got it, I said, oh wow, because
(05:31):
when the second Frank song played, I made the comment.
At first, I said, oh, you're listening to, you know,
a full album. He says yes. And then that's when
we started talking about how he, you know, is is
a fan. I said, do you usually play this? He says, yes,
it's just but I play it because I enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You're getting in his car.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
But it sets the mood. I mean, it adds a
little air of sophistication to.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
The It really does. That's memorable. That's completely memorable. What
about you, Sam, how are you? When I first met you,
you were on you know, on the same page with
Murphy about Frank being it. You know, he's he's the man.
Where were you introduced to Frank Sinatra? Oh?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I don't know, but there was a collection of CDs
from back then, and I think Murphy might have introduced
me to them, the Capitol Collector series.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And those were the ones where they were going back
to the vaults and yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
They had an Elephants tild, they had a Dean Martin,
they had a Sinatra and it was kind of like
the greatest hits from that era. And I started picking
those up, and it's like I got hooked. There was
a time where that was all I was listening to
for a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, we all go through phases of letting things in,
you know, letting things in. I was telling Murphy. This weekend,
we took a little road trip on Saturday. We just
decided to get out of the house and do a
day away. We did. It was so lovely. We listened
to the whole album The Stranger by Billy Joel because
we had just finished the documentary the night before, and
so it goes highly recommend that documentary. I know we've
(06:56):
said that already here, but we decided to on the
way to our destination, we listened to The Stranger from
start to finish, and I was telling Murphy that my
discovery of that album was because you know, I was
an eighties teenager, and so I knew of Billy Joel
from the eighties stuff like I guess the Uptown Girl
stuff and all that and Alan Town and all of that.
(07:19):
I didn't know the seventies stuff except that I heard,
you know, when I was growing up, I would hear
my parents play it. So I had always heard about
The Stranger being such a big album. So I when
I first had a car and freedom, you know, to
drive around all day, see my friends or do whatever,
I listened to I bought probably I don't think it
(07:39):
was CD. I think it was a cassette. For being
honest about what kind of digital of physical media I had.
But I listened to The Stranger from start to finish
by myself, over and over again. That album became a
friend to me. And I told you that's what I said, Like,
this album got me through. You know, I was discovering.
I went back and discovered some old mute, which is
(08:01):
really not like me because I was still you know,
young adult. Everything that was new was what I had to,
you know, say, was my music. But so he you know,
he this this driver, He just did that for himself.
He goes back, Yeah, and you can do that. You
can give yourself those gifts in life. Yeah, you know,
and then I put it down for a while because
(08:21):
I burned it. I burned Billy Joel. I put him
down for years.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well, we're at a place where there is it's technically
I guess, one hundred and twenty years of recorded music,
but electronic and the major improvement with microphones actually didn't
occur until the like mid late nineteen twenties, I think.
So we're really in the one hundredth year or so
of recorded music, and all of that stuff's available, So
(08:46):
it's just an it's an endless catalog. I don't know
that you could actually listen to everything that has been
that has come out in the last you know, one
hundred years. It's got its own I mean, you can
choose whatever you want. You can like what came out yesterday,
like what came out fifty years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
If you want, and you can put them both on
the same playlist.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I will dig into it Hollywood Outsider for you guys.
But you do know that there is still apparently a
Frank Sinatra bio pick in the works. I guess He's
been covered many times in many different ways, but apparently
Leonardo DiCaprio is still in talks to play to play Frank.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I mean, what do you think about do you think,
like when they do bio picks, do you think it's
a good idea to that name or an unknown so
you're more focused on the story.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I would like an unknown better for the for Frank.
But I do think if anybody's going to do it,
let somebody who's a master, which is Leonardo. But am
I going to be seeing Leo and the performance or
am I going to be seeing Frank? Because you're there
to learn about Frank, who has an incredible story apparently,
you know, if you it just like me, if all
you ever knew of him was that he was some
(09:52):
sort of you know, point click babe, entitled guy like
I didn't know anything about him. Apparently he came from
nothing apparently to make something of himself, and so it's
an incredible story. Yeah, you know, all I knew of
him was arrogance. So I had the wrong impression.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I mean, and that maybe that came from a certain
confidence that he you know that he's yes, but.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
He had that's a perception versus reality.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Nine Lives it's like his career tanked four different times. Yeah,
after success, that's called you mean, staying power. That's it
seems like he's been around forever. But you know, you
actually have to study to know that he you know,
right after the nineteen forties, huge downtime for him, you know,
and and no record label wanted him after that, and
then all of a sudden, boom, here comes Frank of
(10:37):
the nineteen fifties with this huge revival thing. And by
the end of the nineteen fifties rock and roll, same
thing happens, and then you got the rat pack and
the Vegas thing, boom back on.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Tuling himself or keep coming back.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's just it is a great story.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You're right, Well, I will dig into the probability and
the timeline and who's attached to the Frank Sinatra vipic.
We've been hearing about it for at least five six
years that it's in the works. But I guess they're
never gonna check a box and have audiences waiting until
they know for sure they've got something that's really going
(11:12):
to it's gonna be worth it.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, it's gonna be at the standard that they would
want to represent. Them, subscribe to the Murphy Salmon Jody
podcast free and easy,
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Jody after the show podcast.
I always love people who are so comfortable in their
own skin that they will just do their own thing
and they're not really worried about what anybody thinks, you know,
around them, Because not everybody's that way, right. I mean
a lot of people do kind of succumb to the
peer pressure thing or whatever and don't really show themselves.
(00:21):
But there was an uber driver that I was riding
with a couple of weeks ago, and I don't think
I've shared this story with you yet, Jody, and it's
it's weird to me because this dovetails and is something
that our daughters did also. But I get in the
car and I've pulled the door shut and this is
what's playing. I look up on his screen and he's
listening to the best of Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, now, this is my uber.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
He's twenty eight years old. He moved to the US
from the Middle East but ten years ago, and he
just his obsession is the rat Pack and Sinatra and
that whole He loves the music from that time period.
So that's literally all that was playing on the entire ride.
(01:05):
I didn't at first I'm thinking already, is he like,
is it a playlist or is he doing some sort
of random channel? He way, But it was a great
conversation starter for us because, as you know, Jody, Yeah,
that's a huge fan that time period. I you know,
I love although I'm not it's not like I've been
listening to it lately. I gravitate in and out of it.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Did you have like any like things to offer him
that he didn't know about.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
No, he pretty much knew all because he is such
a he he believes that. And we were just talking
about how how relevant Frank Sinatra actually still is in
twenty twenty six, which is pretty mind blowing when you
think about it in certain ways, when you talk about
that trendiness to coolness. His music is still played. You
could be in a restaurant, you could be shopping, you know,
(01:47):
in a store or something, you're going to hear him
still get played, and more so than a lot of
the vocalists from that era.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And you recognize the voice. You know who it is
when you hear his voice.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, but we were talking about how you know just
everything A to Z. He just he absolutely loves the music.
It's the style of it really for him. It's mostly
the music. I just thought at that, you know, that age,
because Frank is my grandparents' music. It's to technically not
even anywhere close to you know, hours and so when
you're talking about somebody who's in there, you know, late
(02:18):
twenties and early thirties, really consuming and loving that because
you can.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Be, you know, in your twenties now you can be
exposed to things that you wouldn't have been even you
were twenty years old at a different time.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, everything's at your fingertips now, right.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That's one of the beautiful things about the world and
the way you can consume all this history, whether it
be of music or literature or art or whatever. It
may be the reason that you had to introduce me
to Frank Murphy. And you know, I was very resistant
to him at first. I was like, who is this?
You know, he thinks he really thinks highly of himself.
(02:54):
RISES didn't want to let that in. I was never
introduced to it. It was not played in my homegrowning up.
I knew of Frank Sinatra and I couldn't relate. Yeah,
and so no one ever said, listen to this, this
is good because or listen to it was just never
you are the person who introduced me to Frank, and
I was in my late twenties. Yeah, and now honestly,
(03:15):
when you play it, I enjoy it. Can you believe
I'm saying that.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
No, I can't. You know, it took a couple of decades,
but you got it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I'm curious that you say he's been here about ten years.
Did he pick up Frank and the rat Pack when
before he got here or he's gotten here now.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
My impression of it is that since he's a kid, wow, yeah, yeah,
I mean, Frank's international and you know the same thing
you can, like Jody was saying, you can search anything
on YouTube, and so I mean the influence of American
you know, music and you know, Western culture overseas obviously
has you know, has its impact. And when you think
(03:52):
about he also, I mean he would do tours where
he would pack places where he would you know, travel
overseas and do your being tours. So I'm sure there's
a huge influence there. I think there might have been
a gap, you know, when we were growing up, just
because you tend to you know, I don't want to
say rebel against your parents' music. It's not that my parents,
(04:14):
you know, enjoyed Frank thing. They didn't have Frank Sinatra albums.
My grandparents did, but my parents, you know, didn't. And
so I don't know really where I don't know that
I picked up the influence of Frank until they started
going back and they started finding the original master tapes
and started to put them to CD. That was really
sort of the beginning of going and grabbing all of
(04:34):
this old music from you know, what do they call that?
The not the Golden Age? What do they call that?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It's the American Songbook is what they call that. And
you know that time period. And so now that all
of it's been remastered and remastered and remastered, it's back
out there. And so that's probably the reason I was
exposed to it. It just happened to be a CD at
that time. And now you know, now it's the download.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Did y'all get to talking about, you know, the current
the folks nowadays that are kind of emulating the Big
Band or the Sinatras, like Harry Connig Junior, Michael Boublay,
any of that, or but he's all just right.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
No, it's a frank thing him. Yeah, this was just
this was just a this was just a frank you know,
just a frank thing. But anyway, he went on his way.
But I just it was really cool to hop in,
you know, an uber and I've it's not like music's
not playing in other ubers always. I thought that was
a really interesting choice, and I even asked him that
when my worst got it, I said, oh wow, because
(05:31):
when the second Frank song played, I made the comment.
At first, I said, oh, you're listening to, you know,
a full album. He says yes. And then that's when
we started talking about how he, you know, is is
a fan. I said, do you usually play this? He says, yes,
it's just but I play it because I enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You're getting in his car.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
But it sets the mood. I mean, it adds a
little air of sophistication to.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
The It really does. That's memorable. That's completely memorable. What
about you, Sam, how are you? When I first met you,
you were on you know, on the same page with
Murphy about Frank being it. You know, he's he's the man.
Where were you introduced to Frank Sinatra? Oh?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I don't know, but there was a collection of CDs
from back then, and I think Murphy might have introduced
me to them, the Capitol Collector series.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And those were the ones where they were going back
to the vaults and yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
They had an Elephants tild, they had a Dean Martin,
they had a Sinatra and it was kind of like
the greatest hits from that era. And I started picking
those up, and it's like I got hooked. There was
a time where that was all I was listening to
for a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, we all go through phases of letting things in,
you know, letting things in. I was telling Murphy. This weekend,
we took a little road trip on Saturday. We just
decided to get out of the house and do a
day away. We did. It was so lovely. We listened
to the whole album The Stranger by Billy Joel because
we had just finished the documentary the night before, and
so it goes highly recommend that documentary. I know we've
(06:56):
said that already here, but we decided to on the
way to our destination, we listened to The Stranger from
start to finish, and I was telling Murphy that my
discovery of that album was because you know, I was
an eighties teenager, and so I knew of Billy Joel
from the eighties stuff like I guess the Uptown Girl
stuff and all that and Alan Town and all of that.
(07:19):
I didn't know the seventies stuff except that I heard,
you know, when I was growing up, I would hear
my parents play it. So I had always heard about
The Stranger being such a big album. So I when
I first had a car and freedom, you know, to
drive around all day, see my friends or do whatever,
I listened to I bought probably I don't think it
(07:39):
was CD. I think it was a cassette. For being
honest about what kind of digital of physical media I had.
But I listened to The Stranger from start to finish
by myself, over and over again. That album became a
friend to me. And I told you that's what I said, Like,
this album got me through. You know, I was discovering.
I went back and discovered some old mute, which is
(08:01):
really not like me because I was still you know,
young adult. Everything that was new was what I had to,
you know, say, was my music. But so he you know,
he this this driver, He just did that for himself.
He goes back, Yeah, and you can do that. You
can give yourself those gifts in life. Yeah, you know,
and then I put it down for a while because
(08:21):
I burned it. I burned Billy Joel. I put him
down for years.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well, we're at a place where there is it's technically
I guess, one hundred and twenty years of recorded music,
but electronic and the major improvement with microphones actually didn't
occur until the like mid late nineteen twenties, I think.
So we're really in the one hundredth year or so
of recorded music, and all of that stuff's available, So
(08:46):
it's just an it's an endless catalog. I don't know
that you could actually listen to everything that has been
that has come out in the last you know, one
hundred years. It's got its own I mean, you can
choose whatever you want. You can like what came out yesterday,
like what came out fifty years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
If you want, and you can put them both on
the same playlist.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I will dig into it Hollywood Outsider for you guys.
But you do know that there is still apparently a
Frank Sinatra bio pick in the works. I guess He's
been covered many times in many different ways, but apparently
Leonardo DiCaprio is still in talks to play to play Frank.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I mean, what do you think about do you think,
like when they do bio picks, do you think it's
a good idea to that name or an unknown so
you're more focused on the story.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I would like an unknown better for the for Frank.
But I do think if anybody's going to do it,
let somebody who's a master, which is Leonardo. But am
I going to be seeing Leo and the performance or
am I going to be seeing Frank? Because you're there
to learn about Frank, who has an incredible story apparently,
you know, if you it just like me, if all
you ever knew of him was that he was some
(09:52):
sort of you know, point click babe, entitled guy like
I didn't know anything about him. Apparently he came from
nothing apparently to make something of himself, and so it's
an incredible story. Yeah, you know, all I knew of
him was arrogance. So I had the wrong impression.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I mean, and that maybe that came from a certain
confidence that he you know that he's yes, but.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
He had that's a perception versus reality.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Nine Lives it's like his career tanked four different times. Yeah,
after success, that's called you mean, staying power. That's it
seems like he's been around forever. But you know, you
actually have to study to know that he you know,
right after the nineteen forties, huge downtime for him, you know,
and and no record label wanted him after that, and
then all of a sudden, boom, here comes Frank of
(10:37):
the nineteen fifties with this huge revival thing. And by
the end of the nineteen fifties rock and roll, same
thing happens, and then you got the rat pack and
the Vegas thing, boom back on.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Tuling himself or keep coming back.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's just it is a great story.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You're right, Well, I will dig into the probability and
the timeline and who's attached to the Frank Sinatra vipic.
We've been hearing about it for at least five six
years that it's in the works. But I guess they're
never gonna check a box and have audiences waiting until
they know for sure they've got something that's really going
(11:12):
to it's gonna be worth it.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, it's gonna be at the standard that they would
want to represent. Them, subscribe to the Murphy Salmon Jody
podcast free and easy,
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When a group of women from all over the country realise they all dated the same prolific romance scammer they vow to bring him to justice. In this brand new season of global number 1 hit podcast, The Girlfriends, Anna Sinfield meets a group of funny, feisty, determined women who all had the misfortune of dating a mysterious man named Derek Alldred. Trust Me Babe is a story about the protective forces of gossip, gut instinct, and trusting your besties and the group of women who took matters into their own hands to take down a fraudster when no one else would listen. If you’re affected by any of the themes in this show, our charity partners NO MORE have available resources at https://www.nomore.org. To learn more about romance scams, and to access specialised support, visit https://fightcybercrime.org/ The Girlfriends: Trust Me Babe is produced by Novel for iHeartPodcasts. For more from Novel, visit https://novel.audio/. You can listen to new episodes of The Girlfriends: Trust Me Babe completely ad-free and 1 week early with an iHeart True Crime+ subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Open your Apple Podcasts app, search for “iHeart True Crime+, and subscribe today!