April 9, 2026 • 13 mins
Group Therapy Thursday: Being the safe space for your child.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Chodi After the Show podcast
here online and of course on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Also, you know, I said today that we're going to
do therapy ish Thursdays. Thanks thanks to our oldest daughter, Taylor,
you know, giving me that phrase. She said, Mom, and
I want to sound too therapy ish, and I'm like,
WHOA therapy is sounds great. It's not full on therapy.
It's just a little taste, a little taste of mental health.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
So I didn't plan this topic, but for therapy is.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Today in the after the Show podcast, when we were
talking about moms really knowing when something's wrong at one
look at one word.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
That a lot of dads too.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
A lot of dads are just as connected to their children,
you know, I we said, and I feel really strongly
about this when it comes to the whole being sick
thing and you you know, knowing when they're not really sick.
I said it, and I want to say it again.
I think it's very important, especially if you're new to
parenting and this you have that your children can come
(00:59):
to you with anything and that you believe them. They
need to know that you believe them. Then you need
to be a safe harbor. You need to be the
safe space, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
And even if you don't necessarily believe, you're not dismissive.
You ask questions that they understand you're hearing them.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, there's that whole thought, and it's true. Think about
your child being a preteen at a party and God
only knows what they're encountering. You don't want their first
thought to be I can never tell mom this because
blank blank, like she'll think you want Mom is the
first person I want to tell this too. That's the
(01:36):
mindset you want, and you set that stage every day
of parenting. If they come to you and say somebody
was mean to me at school, you need to listen
to them and believe them.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
You don't go, what did you do?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I know that not all parents are that way, and
it's natural to have a connection with your child, but
we do see it where people don't. I've seen when
you have a child and you are in that life
you have children, you see all kinds of parenting around
you because you're at school groups and you just see
other you you come into contact with other other parents,
and you see that some parents are more you know,
(02:13):
what's the right word harder rule.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well, so I know.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
This is why, this is why I said so, and
this is why and it yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I think italls yeah, and it's just different personality types.
But the rule that I always tried to follow, and
I know you did, Judy also is that we you listen,
you take a breath, and then you because you're listening,
you're actually going to give a response versus the shutdown. Yeah,
that's really the whole thing. Dismissiveness, I think is what
creates the barrier because you are sending the message that
(02:44):
I'm not hearing what you're saying, and it almost says
I don't want to hear what you're saying. Do what
I say, right, And that's not a And I actually
grew up a bit in that environment myself, you know,
not all the time, but but there when my mom
was frustrated, and maybe that's what you're talking about. If
my mom was frush traded, the conversation was always interrupted
and just from that moment, and I love my mom
(03:05):
with all my heart, but uh, that's not a trade
I wanted to bring into you and I raising her.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Daughter's got right.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I wanted to be from the time they were placed
into my arms. Actually, when I was pregnant, I knew
I wanted to be connected to my children and I
wanted to be a safe place for them. And I
really think that I am. I think that they know
that they can come to me with anything. Of course,
I've made mistakes. Of course, there were times, like Phoebe
(03:32):
knows one incident when she came to me with something
and she and I wasn't expecting her to say this
and bring up this topic and the way I reacted.
And I have gone back since that happened, and I've
apologized to her for the way I reacted to something
that she said to me when she was in junior high.
That's how much I carried it, like, oh, I should
have reacted that way. You know, there's nothing that ever
came along for me that I cared about more emotional
(03:55):
emotional than being a good parent.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
You know, I care about it so much. I didn't
mean to get emotional.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Sorry, but I just think think about the the children
who grow up where they don't feel safe with their
parents telling them anything. That's a hard place to be
because you're not as secure that whole same thing where
you they say you can't hold a baby enough because
they need you can't some people, you know, there's a
(04:23):
there's the old way of don't hold that baby too much,
you'll spoil them.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Not true.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
If you give a child security, you give them freedom
to be strong in.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
The world and until they get to the age whether
you know their peers are I guess more important or
they're interacting, sure, you are their life. You are you
are their safety net, you are your everything to them.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
They look to you for how to feel about themselves.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, if you're if you're the kind of parent that's
don't be stupid.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
No, you're this, you're.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
That, that's that's the voice. Your voice is who they
think they are. It's so, it's it's such. It's the
biggest job in the world. It is so important. And
of course we're going to misstep and make mistakes. You
just have to be thoughtful every day about what you
do and say.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah. I think you know what Sam is saying is
it's easy to underestimate the weight that those words carry.
Of any word that you say actually carries because you're
being looked to for, you know, for that guidance. And
I think some of the best advice that ever got
I don't know if it was I just picked it
up by osmosis or heard other people talk about it.
But you know, everything becomes and it's tough as a
(05:30):
parent because trying to pivot and adapt to the different phases.
You don't know when those phases are necessarily coming. And
it's very easy to continue to parent the way you
always have, right, But as age changes, their ability to
understand does change, their intellect does grow all those things.
And you also have to anticipate that the middle school
(05:52):
years are going to be challenging and the teen years
are going to have what every teen has is a
bit of angst and all the hormonal all that stuff
that's very real, and as a parent you have to
be able to anticipate some of this is going to
be rough. They're going to talk back. Their job is
to assert independence at a certain point.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
If they're ever going to leave you, like they right, Yeah,
but it's.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Very easy to confuse that with whether they or not
listening to me. And the more you start getting into
that and I've learned that one the hard way over time, too, Jody.
As you remember that, you know, it's the when my
point wasn't being heard and it was that I would
forget at the moment, It's like, okay, wait, this is
their job. I'm still the parent. I'm not going to acquiesce,
but I'm not going to try to shut the conversation
(06:33):
down because that also doesn't you know, that doesn't do anything?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Do you know that Taylor, the one who inspired this
term therapy is And here we are in therapy on
a Thursday, and I'll actually really love it. She is becoming.
She's going to be a mental health counselor. She's going
to join us in an after the show podcast in
May next month. She wants to share some of the
things that she's learned and is learning. But she spoke
(06:58):
to me about that very thing she wants to hopefully
in her practice going forward in her life and career
work especially with teenagers, because she feels like it is
a very hard place to be and it's not as understood.
And the example she gave me and if Taylor, if
you listen to this, I'm sorry, I'm not quoting you exactly.
I don't have your mental health brain. But she was saying,
(07:19):
you know how when little children, we follow their development,
like you know, they're walking now and talking now, and
doing this and comprehending love now and things like that
that is so well documented and understood.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
But for teenagers.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
She said this the other day, and she was like,
teenagers are experiencing everything that their experience is new to them.
It's the first time. And yet you know, we expect
them to they look older, they look bigger, so we
expect them to you know, be rolling with adults, and
yet there's still the child. It's a very confusing place
for them to be. But she said, you know, a
teenager's first bullying experience, being bullied.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Or the first love or first difficulty.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
With a parent, all of that is brand new for them,
and they're expected to handle it all. Yeah, how they
don't have any tools to handle it because they've not
lived long enough to be in given the tools. Yeah,
And so it's like, wow, that you're right the teenage years, especially,
your parenting has to change.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You don't know that when you're a new parent, you're
just surviving day to day when they're little.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, and I don't think that most parents don't intentionally
try to make things that turn into mistakes. And you know,
as a parent, you shouldn't fault yourself for that. Early on,
I realized it's possible to apologize for an incorrect action.
It still remained the parental figure and stay in the lead.
You're not showing a sign of weakness when you actually
(08:43):
demonstrate an apology for something that you know is if
you would apologize to a friend for that, or you
would apologize to your own parents for that, then you
know it would be again. And everything is situationally dependent,
but it is not a sign of weakness. It's two
separate things. It still leads. The parent still has, you know,
the one that provides the direction. And apology is not
(09:05):
a sign no.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
If anything, it helps create that connection.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, and in fact, I mean there have been conversations
before I said, look, I apologize for handling this way
this way. I was wrong about that. At the end
of the day, this is still how we need to
do that. I handled it incorrectly and I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
You know, I had a situation with Maddie when she
was fifteen. I'm not going to divulge anything because it
was personal for her. But she got in the car
and we both knew that she wanted to tell me
about it, and she was scared to death. It was
one of those things where I know he's going to
(09:42):
yell at me. I know, and this is back when
I was drinking. Not that that was the only reason,
but I was a different person back then, but it
was just like I knew that that wasn't the place
for that. She told me what the issue was and
I listened good, And there is no point at that point.
(10:03):
I can't believe it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
She knows, she.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Knew when she brought it to me. She already knew
the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do,
and I screwed up, and YadA, YadA, YadA, So there's
no point in me jumping down her throat on it.
I was there. I'll listen if you want to talk
about it how you feel. And I can't remember the
exact conversation, but it was all just a point, a
situation of listening and go ahead and talk about it.
(10:29):
It's cool, just talk about it.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, if somebody's already loathing themselves for something they did wrong,
that's not a pile you need to jump in now.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
No, even if you have a you have some feelings
about it, and you probably did have some feelings.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Feelings because I knew it was coming and It's just like,
that's not the way to handle this.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I'm not saying be a pushover parent. I don't believe
in that either.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I believe in being the parent, but I also believe
it is a coming into the world is hard. They
need a safe, play, safe place to be. You need
to be that if you expect to have a connection
with them. You know, you have to be their safe place.
Think about how much you needed a safe place, how
you still do, why the sound of your parents voice
(11:11):
does that to you, Why you still want to make
your parents proud no matter what age you get, you
get just you have to think about you being a
child again and what you actually needed, you know what
I mean. So I feel like be a safe space
and place for your child. I also kind of felt
like not that I had to do it, be a
(11:33):
soft softness, and I felt like I was the heavier lot.
And maybe that's why I resented feeling like I had
to be the heavy a lot when they were little,
because you know, you were the fun dad and I
was the one about it's bedtime, it's the rules and
all of that, although you did lay down, you know,
But yeah, I always wanted to be a soft place
(11:56):
for them too, And it's really important to me.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Today you know young adults how they treat you. So
I do think that's the case.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And the last reason I say that, and that's a
whole other therapy ish and it's not therapy ish. It
would be too it would be full on therapy. But
another reason to always believe you're be a safe space
for them. Have the relationship set up where they will
come to you with anything, because if a kid is
something is going on with a kid that you're unaware
of at school or with a relative or something, and
(12:25):
you know what I'm hinting at, something inappropriate, your child
needs to come to you and know that you will
be believed, because already that.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Will be hard for them to come to you.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
A lot too many children don't come to parents because
they're too afraid, they have too much shame going on
with something inappropriate is happening to them.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Be their safe space in the world. It is your job.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, absolutely. And in addition to the belief part, because
I think this communicates the belief is if they are
all there are going to be some things that your
kids are not going to feel comfortable talking about. But
every time you block a conversation from completing, or judge
before you've heard the whole thing. That's the message that
(13:08):
you wind up communicating. And you know you want to
know the things that are the most difficult for them
to talk about, because that's where your role as a
parent may be the most important guidance you ever give.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
In their corner right and make sure they know it.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, I love that, Joe.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You guys therapy ish, you're all therapied out for the day, I.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Think so for the week.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
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the Murphy, Sam and Jody podcast.
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Chodi After the Show podcast
here online and of course on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Also, you know, I said today that we're going to
do therapy ish Thursdays. Thanks thanks to our oldest daughter, Taylor,
you know, giving me that phrase. She said, Mom, and
I want to sound too therapy ish, and I'm like,
WHOA therapy is sounds great. It's not full on therapy.
It's just a little taste, a little taste of mental health.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
So I didn't plan this topic, but for therapy is.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Today in the after the Show podcast, when we were
talking about moms really knowing when something's wrong at one
look at one word.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
That a lot of dads too.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
A lot of dads are just as connected to their children,
you know, I we said, and I feel really strongly
about this when it comes to the whole being sick
thing and you you know, knowing when they're not really sick.
I said it, and I want to say it again.
I think it's very important, especially if you're new to
parenting and this you have that your children can come
(00:59):
to you with anything and that you believe them. They
need to know that you believe them. Then you need
to be a safe harbor. You need to be the
safe space, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
And even if you don't necessarily believe, you're not dismissive.
You ask questions that they understand you're hearing them.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, there's that whole thought, and it's true. Think about
your child being a preteen at a party and God
only knows what they're encountering. You don't want their first
thought to be I can never tell mom this because
blank blank, like she'll think you want Mom is the
first person I want to tell this too. That's the
(01:36):
mindset you want, and you set that stage every day
of parenting. If they come to you and say somebody
was mean to me at school, you need to listen
to them and believe them.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
You don't go, what did you do?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I know that not all parents are that way, and
it's natural to have a connection with your child, but
we do see it where people don't. I've seen when
you have a child and you are in that life
you have children, you see all kinds of parenting around
you because you're at school groups and you just see
other you you come into contact with other other parents,
and you see that some parents are more you know,
(02:13):
what's the right word harder rule.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well, so I know.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
This is why, this is why I said so, and
this is why and it yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I think italls yeah, and it's just different personality types.
But the rule that I always tried to follow, and
I know you did, Judy also is that we you listen,
you take a breath, and then you because you're listening,
you're actually going to give a response versus the shutdown. Yeah,
that's really the whole thing. Dismissiveness, I think is what
creates the barrier because you are sending the message that
(02:44):
I'm not hearing what you're saying, and it almost says
I don't want to hear what you're saying. Do what
I say, right, And that's not a And I actually
grew up a bit in that environment myself, you know,
not all the time, but but there when my mom
was frustrated, and maybe that's what you're talking about. If
my mom was frush traded, the conversation was always interrupted
and just from that moment, and I love my mom
(03:05):
with all my heart, but uh, that's not a trade
I wanted to bring into you and I raising her.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Daughter's got right.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I wanted to be from the time they were placed
into my arms. Actually, when I was pregnant, I knew
I wanted to be connected to my children and I
wanted to be a safe place for them. And I
really think that I am. I think that they know
that they can come to me with anything. Of course,
I've made mistakes. Of course, there were times, like Phoebe
(03:32):
knows one incident when she came to me with something
and she and I wasn't expecting her to say this
and bring up this topic and the way I reacted.
And I have gone back since that happened, and I've
apologized to her for the way I reacted to something
that she said to me when she was in junior high.
That's how much I carried it, like, oh, I should
have reacted that way. You know, there's nothing that ever
came along for me that I cared about more emotional
(03:55):
emotional than being a good parent.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
You know, I care about it so much. I didn't
mean to get emotional.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Sorry, but I just think think about the the children
who grow up where they don't feel safe with their
parents telling them anything. That's a hard place to be
because you're not as secure that whole same thing where
you they say you can't hold a baby enough because
they need you can't some people, you know, there's a
(04:23):
there's the old way of don't hold that baby too much,
you'll spoil them.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Not true.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
If you give a child security, you give them freedom
to be strong in.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
The world and until they get to the age whether
you know their peers are I guess more important or
they're interacting, sure, you are their life. You are you
are their safety net, you are your everything to them.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
They look to you for how to feel about themselves.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, if you're if you're the kind of parent that's
don't be stupid.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
No, you're this, you're.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
That, that's that's the voice. Your voice is who they
think they are. It's so, it's it's such. It's the
biggest job in the world. It is so important. And
of course we're going to misstep and make mistakes. You
just have to be thoughtful every day about what you
do and say.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah. I think you know what Sam is saying is
it's easy to underestimate the weight that those words carry.
Of any word that you say actually carries because you're
being looked to for, you know, for that guidance. And
I think some of the best advice that ever got
I don't know if it was I just picked it
up by osmosis or heard other people talk about it.
But you know, everything becomes and it's tough as a
(05:30):
parent because trying to pivot and adapt to the different phases.
You don't know when those phases are necessarily coming. And
it's very easy to continue to parent the way you
always have, right, But as age changes, their ability to
understand does change, their intellect does grow all those things.
And you also have to anticipate that the middle school
(05:52):
years are going to be challenging and the teen years
are going to have what every teen has is a
bit of angst and all the hormonal all that stuff
that's very real, and as a parent you have to
be able to anticipate some of this is going to
be rough. They're going to talk back. Their job is
to assert independence at a certain point.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
If they're ever going to leave you, like they right, Yeah,
but it's.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Very easy to confuse that with whether they or not
listening to me. And the more you start getting into
that and I've learned that one the hard way over time, too, Jody.
As you remember that, you know, it's the when my
point wasn't being heard and it was that I would
forget at the moment, It's like, okay, wait, this is
their job. I'm still the parent. I'm not going to acquiesce,
but I'm not going to try to shut the conversation
(06:33):
down because that also doesn't you know, that doesn't do anything?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Do you know that Taylor, the one who inspired this
term therapy is And here we are in therapy on
a Thursday, and I'll actually really love it. She is becoming.
She's going to be a mental health counselor. She's going
to join us in an after the show podcast in
May next month. She wants to share some of the
things that she's learned and is learning. But she spoke
(06:58):
to me about that very thing she wants to hopefully
in her practice going forward in her life and career
work especially with teenagers, because she feels like it is
a very hard place to be and it's not as understood.
And the example she gave me and if Taylor, if
you listen to this, I'm sorry, I'm not quoting you exactly.
I don't have your mental health brain. But she was saying,
(07:19):
you know how when little children, we follow their development,
like you know, they're walking now and talking now, and
doing this and comprehending love now and things like that
that is so well documented and understood.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
But for teenagers.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
She said this the other day, and she was like,
teenagers are experiencing everything that their experience is new to them.
It's the first time. And yet you know, we expect
them to they look older, they look bigger, so we
expect them to you know, be rolling with adults, and
yet there's still the child. It's a very confusing place
for them to be. But she said, you know, a
teenager's first bullying experience, being bullied.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Or the first love or first difficulty.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
With a parent, all of that is brand new for them,
and they're expected to handle it all. Yeah, how they
don't have any tools to handle it because they've not
lived long enough to be in given the tools. Yeah,
And so it's like, wow, that you're right the teenage years, especially,
your parenting has to change.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You don't know that when you're a new parent, you're
just surviving day to day when they're little.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, and I don't think that most parents don't intentionally
try to make things that turn into mistakes. And you know,
as a parent, you shouldn't fault yourself for that. Early on,
I realized it's possible to apologize for an incorrect action.
It still remained the parental figure and stay in the lead.
You're not showing a sign of weakness when you actually
(08:43):
demonstrate an apology for something that you know is if
you would apologize to a friend for that, or you
would apologize to your own parents for that, then you
know it would be again. And everything is situationally dependent,
but it is not a sign of weakness. It's two
separate things. It still leads. The parent still has, you know,
the one that provides the direction. And apology is not
(09:05):
a sign no.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
If anything, it helps create that connection.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, and in fact, I mean there have been conversations
before I said, look, I apologize for handling this way
this way. I was wrong about that. At the end
of the day, this is still how we need to
do that. I handled it incorrectly and I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
You know, I had a situation with Maddie when she
was fifteen. I'm not going to divulge anything because it
was personal for her. But she got in the car
and we both knew that she wanted to tell me
about it, and she was scared to death. It was
one of those things where I know he's going to
(09:42):
yell at me. I know, and this is back when
I was drinking. Not that that was the only reason,
but I was a different person back then, but it
was just like I knew that that wasn't the place
for that. She told me what the issue was and
I listened good, And there is no point at that point.
(10:03):
I can't believe it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
She knows, she.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Knew when she brought it to me. She already knew
the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do,
and I screwed up, and YadA, YadA, YadA, So there's
no point in me jumping down her throat on it.
I was there. I'll listen if you want to talk
about it how you feel. And I can't remember the
exact conversation, but it was all just a point, a
situation of listening and go ahead and talk about it.
(10:29):
It's cool, just talk about it.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, if somebody's already loathing themselves for something they did wrong,
that's not a pile you need to jump in now.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
No, even if you have a you have some feelings
about it, and you probably did have some feelings.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Feelings because I knew it was coming and It's just like,
that's not the way to handle this.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I'm not saying be a pushover parent. I don't believe
in that either.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I believe in being the parent, but I also believe
it is a coming into the world is hard. They
need a safe, play, safe place to be. You need
to be that if you expect to have a connection
with them. You know, you have to be their safe place.
Think about how much you needed a safe place, how
you still do, why the sound of your parents voice
(11:11):
does that to you, Why you still want to make
your parents proud no matter what age you get, you
get just you have to think about you being a
child again and what you actually needed, you know what
I mean. So I feel like be a safe space
and place for your child. I also kind of felt
like not that I had to do it, be a
(11:33):
soft softness, and I felt like I was the heavier lot.
And maybe that's why I resented feeling like I had
to be the heavy a lot when they were little,
because you know, you were the fun dad and I
was the one about it's bedtime, it's the rules and
all of that, although you did lay down, you know,
But yeah, I always wanted to be a soft place
(11:56):
for them too, And it's really important to me.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Today you know young adults how they treat you. So
I do think that's the case.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And the last reason I say that, and that's a
whole other therapy ish and it's not therapy ish. It
would be too it would be full on therapy. But
another reason to always believe you're be a safe space
for them. Have the relationship set up where they will
come to you with anything, because if a kid is
something is going on with a kid that you're unaware
of at school or with a relative or something, and
(12:25):
you know what I'm hinting at, something inappropriate, your child
needs to come to you and know that you will
be believed, because already that.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Will be hard for them to come to you.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
A lot too many children don't come to parents because
they're too afraid, they have too much shame going on
with something inappropriate is happening to them.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Be their safe space in the world. It is your job.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, absolutely. And in addition to the belief part, because
I think this communicates the belief is if they are
all there are going to be some things that your
kids are not going to feel comfortable talking about. But
every time you block a conversation from completing, or judge
before you've heard the whole thing. That's the message that
(13:08):
you wind up communicating. And you know you want to
know the things that are the most difficult for them
to talk about, because that's where your role as a
parent may be the most important guidance you ever give.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
In their corner right and make sure they know it.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, I love that, Joe.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You guys therapy ish, you're all therapied out for the day, I.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Think so for the week.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
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