February 25, 2026 • 13 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Jody after the show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Sam, you said a few minutes ago that there's not
much true crime to dig into here lately, and there's
a shortage.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
On it, and I seem to have a drought.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
I beg to differ. We've got to.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Say, how is there a drop in true crime? It's
everywhere right that documentaries, I mean he.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Means for him to consume, not for investigators to actually
solve it.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I thought that that was just like an endless genre though, right.
I mean, it depends on it depends on what you
want to go into. I guess, because isn't there an
entire channel dedicated to the unsolved mysteries that ran on
NBC forever in a day? And you know when I
know that that's not maybe that's not what you're into.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
My grandparents, but anyway, used to bless them. They used
to watch unsolved mysteries, even the old ones that would
run in syndication, like you know it was produced ten
years ago and they'd watch it again.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I'm like, you know that this is probably.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Solid my saying, yes, I've got a call, I think,
but many of these true crime stories, you know, the outcome.
They were in the news first before they were told everybody.
As long as you know it, you know the ending.
There shouldn't be a spoiler, right to something that already
happened in the news.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, I bring it up because you say this on
a day where I got hooked into this story about
this mom who vanished without a trace twenty four years
ago being found alive.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, we're going to get to that.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I want that documentary.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I know. I feel so horrible for the family, and
I have so many thoughts about this. I want to
talk about it right now. So this lady was like
thirty eight years old. She left to go Christmas shopping
just miles away from her home. She you know, her
husband was the first one to report her missing in
two thousand and one, and her kids have been looking
(01:44):
for her, Her family, investigators have spent time and money
looking for her. And the word is and there's a
People Magazine article on it now and slowly stuff is
trickling in. Her name is Michelle Linn Smith. It turns
out she just wanted to start a new life and
she did that thing that you see in movies.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh she spaked her death or she just disappeared.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
She disappeared, and now we we're I'm ready for the
answers on that. And the reason it strikes me is this.
It sent me back to conversations that I had with
some friends of mine when our kids were little, a
group of moms. I remember my friend Meredith saying, and
I'm like ditto. She said, if I ever just turn
(02:30):
up missing, assume that someone took me, because I will
never leave my children.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, that's the that is what's the mind blowing to
me about it, that you've got a family and you
that like the opposite of the maternal instinct.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
It is.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And if anybody, oh you, if you owe an explanation
to anybody in this life when you're an adult, it's
your children or moves that you make, Yeah, you can you.
I've had this conversation with another friend of mine, a
dear friend of mine, who's been divorced a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Not you say, I'm a girl.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And she even said she's learned that you don't owe
an explanation to anybody when you change your life. And
she said, and then we both took a sip of
her marguerite, but your children and like, yes, you're your children.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, you can change abandonment. It's very different than changing
your life. I know they're not They're really not synonymous
with each other. And I agree with you on the
whole if and I know that I'm the dad here.
But you know, if I'm ever missing, you know, assume
that I'm missing or or or assume one of two things.
It's either an add moment for me and I'm not
you know, I'm.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Just always watch my stouse actually, or.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
If you're near best Buy.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, right, probably in.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
There they probably looked at that. I don't know yet.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Like I said, this is a new breaking story because
they were still searching for her and there was a
tip that came through and she's been found alive. Like
the daughter even said, I have a million emotions right now.
I'm relieved she's alive. I'm angry and yes you are.
This is a lot of therapy.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
I mean, do you like reconnect and like, yeah, I
got my mom back? Or is it like I want
nothing to do with you anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's not a black and white situation. There's a lot
of gray here. It's a very confusing thing. But to me,
this is the one she was thirty eight. When she disappeared,
it was on like, well it's Christmas time, December ninth year,
two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
So she's in her sixty two now.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
She's sixty two now, so she's been living a life
some life.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Go into what the life is now, No, we don't
have that yet.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
The FBI is going the FBI is talking to her now.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And she's she disappeared in a time period where technology
is a lot better. It's hard to believe that she
was able to live a different life. That's where the
documentary will come in, right explain how she had never
left a trail.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I will say it's the hardest one, the hardest ones
for me to watch though, or that when the mom
those are the ones I've not finished.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
When the mom is the.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Person who's wacko and hurting anyone, It really I can't.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Let that in.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I know, Yeah, yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It's the same reason that you know, anything that would
be a dad related thing would be tough for me
and Sam, you know, yeah, but you know that the
I'm really not being a smart alec here, but you know,
the single biggest true crime story is actually playing out
right now in real time, Sam, I don't think that
there isn't you know, an avoid of anything. Nancy gusfre
It has not been resolved yet, so it's still playing
(05:31):
out in real time every single day.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
He means, something that has to start, a middle and
a no.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
No.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I know that's something that's that you're scrolling through on
you know, Netflix or whatever you know, to see, but
there's no My point in that is it's really kind
of tragic that there is an endless stream of crime story.
Of course, and you know what the thing is I
would say, I mean in this case too, you've got
mom groups right now as you know that are they're
out actually doing their own detective work in the Nancy
(05:57):
Guthrie case, trying to help right now. It's also you know,
and obviously I mean the goal. I'm not saying that
there needs to be the story on the documentary already.
We need they need to find her first, obviously, but
it's but it's playing out in real time in front
of us. That's what these documentaries are all based and
built town.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
So this this one, we're gonna want it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
We get more information, we'll update you here because this
one is fascinating to me.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
And not in a good way.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It's icky, it's wrong, it's weird. You don't do that,
you know you don't do that.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So there's literally.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
We've done it before.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
There is nothing else other than hey, it's.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
A breaking story.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
This was this week's yesterday or two days ago that
it was first reported. Lasting on December nine, two thousand
and one, law enforcement announced they received a tip about
her location February nineteenth, and later met with her in
person at an undisclosed, undisclosed location. There's a lot of
undisclosed right now. She's requesting that nobody knows where she
(06:55):
is right now while she speaks to authorities.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
The family has been alerted that she's a lot.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Okay, do that though, I mean, wouldn't her shouldn't they
share that information with their family?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, the only other thing I will we don't know
her side of the story yet. I still don't like it,
but we don't know her side of the story. The
only thing that she that has slipped out is that
she had said she left. The only thing that slipped
out from investigators that there were some there were some
domestic issues.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
The word domestic issue, and.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
There's always another side of the story. So yeah, I
mean if there was.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I mean, sometimes it's somebody's wrong and cuckoo, or sometimes
it's they have reasons that you just don't know, or
we'll see Another reason that struck me funny is that's
something else I wanted to say today from the show.
I love that you gave a lady a ride from
Walmart the other day, Sam, But it's so funny because
that part of me, my bells went off. In the
(07:51):
show today you explained that you did that a lady
who needed a ride home. She was carrying a bunch
of stuff from Walmart, and you offered her a ride.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And you're still around.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I love that you didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, not just that that you're around. That could have
been its own true crime. Well, he was last scene
helping an elderly woman. You know, I didn't think she
would be that much of a threat to me.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Okay, what thu? Okay, I'm just saying I love that
you shared that story.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I to me personally, a bell went off, and we
didn't talk about an in show. I would never get
I would think twice before getting into a car with
a stranger. I've never gotten into a car with a stranger.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
You mean from the female perspective. Yeah, yeah, I understand
what you mean.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah yeah, I'm glad that she did and you were
able to do that and she offered to pay you
and you didn't accept it.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Just super sweet least that's what I said. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I will say the most recent true crime document I'm
not watching any right now either, but I did watch
the Elizabeth Smart documentary, and I will say I watched
it as soon it was available. The day that it
was it dropped on Netflix. We work, we had working.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I forgot about that. You didn't because I haven't if.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
You were gone. I think maybe you were out of town.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I watched it from start to finish that afternoon and
I felt, you feel that one. It's hard to watch,
but wow, what a brave woman she is to have
told her story. And you know, if I had to
know that when I knew it would be hard, but
I followed it when I was a young mother. I
(09:23):
had young children, young daughters at that time, so I
followed that in disbelief and for her to have been
found and then the cool thing that actually.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Found a live was that big. I mean at the time,
go back.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
And watch that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
You're brave enough to watch that documentary. You're gonna learn
that she saved her own life. Actually, really it wasn't
luck that she was found. Okay, it's unbelievable that it's
a hard one.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I see there.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
There are some that I just do not want to
look at. Sure, that's one, and also the John Banney
Ramsey I just could not good, I know, deal with that.
There's one on Netflix that's relatively new, and the synopsis
was something about a lady and kids, and it's like, Okay,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I backed out of that one too, you know, trust
your own gut, be your own guide with what you
let into your heart.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Again.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I am reading that book called Nobody's Girl by Virginia
Roberts Giuffrey, one of the most high profile victims of
Jeffrey Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell. And she's a wonder she
was a wonderful writer, and it's her memoir and it's
her story. But I do have to take breaks from it.
(10:34):
That's why I'm not finished with it yet, Murphy, because
I'll read a chapter and then I need to let
a day pass. Because it's it's what you let into
your mind and heart that lives in you. It's good
to know these things so that you your curiosity, you know,
you can connect some dots and try to make sense
of this world we live in. And I wanted to
(10:55):
understand that from her point of view because I've heard
the Senate Committee things, and I've heard about documents release,
and I've heard about Epstein and all of this, but
I wanted to hear from her point of view. And
it is enlightening and is eye opening, but again, it's hard.
It's a really well written book, so always be your
(11:15):
own guide. If you don't want to watch the Elizabeth
Smart thing, don't do it. But it's well made. Here's why.
I'll tell you this and we'll wrap it begins telling
you the story as we saw it back then. This family,
you know, upscale family, all these kids taken from her
home in the middle of the night. What you know,
(11:38):
it goes that and all these days missing, and then
the dad and the way the public reacted to the
dad because he seemed a little off right.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
They they covered all of.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
That, and then in the middle of it it changed
to Elizabeth's present day.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Let me tell you what happened that night? Yeah, and
it just it's.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
One of those things where it flips and you get
at her experience that night, what she was doing, where
she was led, what was said to her. It is unbelievable.
It's unbelievably well put together, if your heart can handle it.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So was she lured? Is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
She wasn't lured?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I mean she was forcibly taken. Yes, okay, I just again,
I don't know that right part of it. Yeah, that's
all of that. I mean that part. I guess I
would just be curious, you know the reason I think
they want to curious? No, I know, I understand that,
and I trust your judgment on that. But it's our
protective nature. I'm sure that comes from a little primal
(12:35):
instinct that we want to understand what the source of
danger is so that we avoid that danger, which is
probably the psychological trigger for all the reasons that we love.
True crime is a genre anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, that's exactly why I think people get drawn into
true crime. And there's always something, one thing about a
story that will pique you. This missing mom who's been
found alive. It piques me because there's something here, there's
something off here, because I'm a mother and I could
can't understand leaving my children. I cannot understand it. So
(13:09):
fill in that blank for me. Help me understand that,
because yes, most moms, all moms. At some point in
your motherhood. You want to spa away. I spa get away.
You want to go away. That's why women are always
going away on girlfriend getaways. They don't want anybody to
need them for just a couple of days. I don't
want the dryer calling my name or permission slip meaning
(13:30):
be signed. You can't when you're a mom. Sometimes you
can't even go to the bathroom without knocking on the door.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I must start planning to leave for twenty two years
and then correct.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
So it's just one of those things that peaks my
I know it's going to be a story I'm going
to follow.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Sam, you said a few minutes ago that there's not
much true crime to dig into here lately, and there's
a shortage.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
On it, and I seem to have a drought.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
I beg to differ. We've got to.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Say, how is there a drop in true crime? It's
everywhere right that documentaries, I mean he.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Means for him to consume, not for investigators to actually
solve it.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I thought that that was just like an endless genre though, right.
I mean, it depends on it depends on what you
want to go into. I guess, because isn't there an
entire channel dedicated to the unsolved mysteries that ran on
NBC forever in a day? And you know when I
know that that's not maybe that's not what you're into.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
My grandparents, but anyway, used to bless them. They used
to watch unsolved mysteries, even the old ones that would
run in syndication, like you know it was produced ten
years ago and they'd watch it again.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I'm like, you know that this is probably.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Solid my saying, yes, I've got a call, I think,
but many of these true crime stories, you know, the outcome.
They were in the news first before they were told everybody.
As long as you know it, you know the ending.
There shouldn't be a spoiler, right to something that already
happened in the news.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, I bring it up because you say this on
a day where I got hooked into this story about
this mom who vanished without a trace twenty four years
ago being found alive.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, we're going to get to that.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I want that documentary.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I know. I feel so horrible for the family, and
I have so many thoughts about this. I want to
talk about it right now. So this lady was like
thirty eight years old. She left to go Christmas shopping
just miles away from her home. She you know, her
husband was the first one to report her missing in
two thousand and one, and her kids have been looking
(01:44):
for her, Her family, investigators have spent time and money
looking for her. And the word is and there's a
People Magazine article on it now and slowly stuff is
trickling in. Her name is Michelle Linn Smith. It turns
out she just wanted to start a new life and
she did that thing that you see in movies.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh she spaked her death or she just disappeared.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
She disappeared, and now we we're I'm ready for the
answers on that. And the reason it strikes me is this.
It sent me back to conversations that I had with
some friends of mine when our kids were little, a
group of moms. I remember my friend Meredith saying, and
I'm like ditto. She said, if I ever just turn
(02:30):
up missing, assume that someone took me, because I will
never leave my children.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, that's the that is what's the mind blowing to
me about it, that you've got a family and you
that like the opposite of the maternal instinct.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
It is.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And if anybody, oh you, if you owe an explanation
to anybody in this life when you're an adult, it's
your children or moves that you make, Yeah, you can you.
I've had this conversation with another friend of mine, a
dear friend of mine, who's been divorced a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Not you say, I'm a girl.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And she even said she's learned that you don't owe
an explanation to anybody when you change your life. And
she said, and then we both took a sip of
her marguerite, but your children and like, yes, you're your children.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, you can change abandonment. It's very different than changing
your life. I know they're not They're really not synonymous
with each other. And I agree with you on the
whole if and I know that I'm the dad here.
But you know, if I'm ever missing, you know, assume
that I'm missing or or or assume one of two things.
It's either an add moment for me and I'm not
you know, I'm.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Just always watch my stouse actually, or.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
If you're near best Buy.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, right, probably in.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
There they probably looked at that. I don't know yet.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Like I said, this is a new breaking story because
they were still searching for her and there was a
tip that came through and she's been found alive. Like
the daughter even said, I have a million emotions right now.
I'm relieved she's alive. I'm angry and yes you are.
This is a lot of therapy.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
I mean, do you like reconnect and like, yeah, I
got my mom back? Or is it like I want
nothing to do with you anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's not a black and white situation. There's a lot
of gray here. It's a very confusing thing. But to me,
this is the one she was thirty eight. When she disappeared,
it was on like, well it's Christmas time, December ninth year,
two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
So she's in her sixty two now.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
She's sixty two now, so she's been living a life
some life.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Go into what the life is now, No, we don't
have that yet.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
The FBI is going the FBI is talking to her now.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And she's she disappeared in a time period where technology
is a lot better. It's hard to believe that she
was able to live a different life. That's where the
documentary will come in, right explain how she had never
left a trail.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I will say it's the hardest one, the hardest ones
for me to watch though, or that when the mom
those are the ones I've not finished.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
When the mom is the.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Person who's wacko and hurting anyone, It really I can't.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Let that in.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I know, Yeah, yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It's the same reason that you know, anything that would
be a dad related thing would be tough for me
and Sam, you know, yeah, but you know that the
I'm really not being a smart alec here, but you know,
the single biggest true crime story is actually playing out
right now in real time, Sam, I don't think that
there isn't you know, an avoid of anything. Nancy gusfre
It has not been resolved yet, so it's still playing
(05:31):
out in real time every single day.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
He means, something that has to start, a middle and
a no.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
No.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I know that's something that's that you're scrolling through on
you know, Netflix or whatever you know, to see, but
there's no My point in that is it's really kind
of tragic that there is an endless stream of crime story.
Of course, and you know what the thing is I
would say, I mean in this case too, you've got
mom groups right now as you know that are they're
out actually doing their own detective work in the Nancy
(05:57):
Guthrie case, trying to help right now. It's also you know,
and obviously I mean the goal. I'm not saying that
there needs to be the story on the documentary already.
We need they need to find her first, obviously, but
it's but it's playing out in real time in front
of us. That's what these documentaries are all based and
built town.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
So this this one, we're gonna want it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
We get more information, we'll update you here because this
one is fascinating to me.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
And not in a good way.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It's icky, it's wrong, it's weird. You don't do that,
you know you don't do that.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So there's literally.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
We've done it before.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
There is nothing else other than hey, it's.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
A breaking story.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
This was this week's yesterday or two days ago that
it was first reported. Lasting on December nine, two thousand
and one, law enforcement announced they received a tip about
her location February nineteenth, and later met with her in
person at an undisclosed, undisclosed location. There's a lot of
undisclosed right now. She's requesting that nobody knows where she
(06:55):
is right now while she speaks to authorities.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
The family has been alerted that she's a lot.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Okay, do that though, I mean, wouldn't her shouldn't they
share that information with their family?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, the only other thing I will we don't know
her side of the story yet. I still don't like it,
but we don't know her side of the story. The
only thing that she that has slipped out is that
she had said she left. The only thing that slipped
out from investigators that there were some there were some
domestic issues.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
The word domestic issue, and.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
There's always another side of the story. So yeah, I
mean if there was.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I mean, sometimes it's somebody's wrong and cuckoo, or sometimes
it's they have reasons that you just don't know, or
we'll see Another reason that struck me funny is that's
something else I wanted to say today from the show.
I love that you gave a lady a ride from
Walmart the other day, Sam, But it's so funny because
that part of me, my bells went off. In the
(07:51):
show today you explained that you did that a lady
who needed a ride home. She was carrying a bunch
of stuff from Walmart, and you offered her a ride.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And you're still around.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I love that you didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, not just that that you're around. That could have
been its own true crime. Well, he was last scene
helping an elderly woman. You know, I didn't think she
would be that much of a threat to me.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Okay, what thu? Okay, I'm just saying I love that
you shared that story.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I to me personally, a bell went off, and we
didn't talk about an in show. I would never get
I would think twice before getting into a car with
a stranger. I've never gotten into a car with a stranger.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
You mean from the female perspective. Yeah, yeah, I understand
what you mean.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah yeah, I'm glad that she did and you were
able to do that and she offered to pay you
and you didn't accept it.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Just super sweet least that's what I said. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I will say the most recent true crime document I'm
not watching any right now either, but I did watch
the Elizabeth Smart documentary, and I will say I watched
it as soon it was available. The day that it
was it dropped on Netflix. We work, we had working.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I forgot about that. You didn't because I haven't if.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
You were gone. I think maybe you were out of town.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I watched it from start to finish that afternoon and
I felt, you feel that one. It's hard to watch,
but wow, what a brave woman she is to have
told her story. And you know, if I had to
know that when I knew it would be hard, but
I followed it when I was a young mother. I
(09:23):
had young children, young daughters at that time, so I
followed that in disbelief and for her to have been
found and then the cool thing that actually.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Found a live was that big. I mean at the time,
go back.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
And watch that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
You're brave enough to watch that documentary. You're gonna learn
that she saved her own life. Actually, really it wasn't
luck that she was found. Okay, it's unbelievable that it's
a hard one.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I see there.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
There are some that I just do not want to
look at. Sure, that's one, and also the John Banney
Ramsey I just could not good, I know, deal with that.
There's one on Netflix that's relatively new, and the synopsis
was something about a lady and kids, and it's like, Okay,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I backed out of that one too, you know, trust
your own gut, be your own guide with what you
let into your heart.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Again.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I am reading that book called Nobody's Girl by Virginia
Roberts Giuffrey, one of the most high profile victims of
Jeffrey Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell. And she's a wonder she
was a wonderful writer, and it's her memoir and it's
her story. But I do have to take breaks from it.
(10:34):
That's why I'm not finished with it yet, Murphy, because
I'll read a chapter and then I need to let
a day pass. Because it's it's what you let into
your mind and heart that lives in you. It's good
to know these things so that you your curiosity, you know,
you can connect some dots and try to make sense
of this world we live in. And I wanted to
(10:55):
understand that from her point of view because I've heard
the Senate Committee things, and I've heard about documents release,
and I've heard about Epstein and all of this, but
I wanted to hear from her point of view. And
it is enlightening and is eye opening, but again, it's hard.
It's a really well written book, so always be your
(11:15):
own guide. If you don't want to watch the Elizabeth
Smart thing, don't do it. But it's well made. Here's why.
I'll tell you this and we'll wrap it begins telling
you the story as we saw it back then. This family,
you know, upscale family, all these kids taken from her
home in the middle of the night. What you know,
(11:38):
it goes that and all these days missing, and then
the dad and the way the public reacted to the
dad because he seemed a little off right.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
They they covered all of.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
That, and then in the middle of it it changed
to Elizabeth's present day.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Let me tell you what happened that night? Yeah, and
it just it's.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
One of those things where it flips and you get
at her experience that night, what she was doing, where
she was led, what was said to her. It is unbelievable.
It's unbelievably well put together, if your heart can handle it.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So was she lured? Is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
She wasn't lured?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I mean she was forcibly taken. Yes, okay, I just again,
I don't know that right part of it. Yeah, that's
all of that. I mean that part. I guess I
would just be curious, you know the reason I think
they want to curious? No, I know, I understand that,
and I trust your judgment on that. But it's our
protective nature. I'm sure that comes from a little primal
(12:35):
instinct that we want to understand what the source of
danger is so that we avoid that danger, which is
probably the psychological trigger for all the reasons that we love.
True crime is a genre anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, that's exactly why I think people get drawn into
true crime. And there's always something, one thing about a
story that will pique you. This missing mom who's been
found alive. It piques me because there's something here, there's
something off here, because I'm a mother and I could
can't understand leaving my children. I cannot understand it. So
(13:09):
fill in that blank for me. Help me understand that,
because yes, most moms, all moms. At some point in
your motherhood. You want to spa away. I spa get away.
You want to go away. That's why women are always
going away on girlfriend getaways. They don't want anybody to
need them for just a couple of days. I don't
want the dryer calling my name or permission slip meaning
(13:30):
be signed. You can't when you're a mom. Sometimes you
can't even go to the bathroom without knocking on the door.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I must start planning to leave for twenty two years
and then correct.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
So it's just one of those things that peaks my
I know it's going to be a story I'm going
to follow.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
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