Murphy & Jodi's daughter, Phoebe, is working with the show this summer - and watching Jodi guide her sparks a real talk about how parenting has to change as kids grow up. Murphy, Sam and Jodi swap stories about age-appropriate guidance and building confidence instead of being heavy-handed.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Jody after the show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Got to start this podcast with a shout out to
Jody because I observed something and heard something just now
you talking to your daughter Phoebe, who is, by the way,
if you didn't know, she is with us as our
producer this summer.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, I don't know that we've actually even mentioned that
to this point her have we?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Well maybe once or twine.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I joined us for a couple of podcasts, but I
remember that was filling in or what's that.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, my mom was in the hospital.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Phoebe was here helping out, and she's helped us out
all summer, and now we're calling her producer Phoebe because
she's taking on so much.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It's been very helpful.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Yeah. Well, well, just so everybody, bring everybody up to
speed here, Jody, you and Phoebe were talking about organizing
birthday parties for your other daughter, Tailor Taylor.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Her birthdays this month.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
And I heard you in your speaking to Phoebe. I
was so happy to hear it because the way you
were giving her directions was like she's twenty one. Yeah,
she's an adult, Yes she is, and you're still giving
her directions as a parent. You're not overbearing on her.
But it was nice because the reason I'm bringing this
(01:06):
up is because I do the same thing with my kids.
I have reached a point where I don't say you
should do this, you should do that, you need to
do that because they're adults now.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Right, But you're saying it was age appropriate guidance.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
It was age appropriate. But it's also that thing you've
discussed before where you don't you never stop being a parent.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
No, gosh, yeah, it's such a thing, and you don't
know this is going to happen to you when you're
a parent until you're in it that you're parenting.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
You has to change as they change.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yes, and yes she is a young adult, but I'm
always going to be her mother, And that's the battle inside.
And some people get it wrong. You can see it clearly,
not say wrong, but struggle with it, you know, being
too overbearing or still treating them like they're little, yeah,
when in fact she's a young lady.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
But she's still my baby.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
And the way I heard you do it, and it's
the thing I've learned not to do, is to tell
them this is what you need to do. This is
how you should do it. It's always the way I
approach it is a suggestion. It's like, I know this
has worked for me in the past. You can use it.
You don't have to use it. But and I'll tell
them to call the car company, right, do this or
(02:13):
do that.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I don't even remember what direction I was giving.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I was offering to help her with something she's doing
for Taylor.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Notifying some friends, right, and you were just like, maybe
you should put together you know, you sent out a
text or an email to everybody or let everybody know, right.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I think that that's more than just maternal for Jody,
because she does that with her mom, she does that
in other social settings with their family. I mean, Jody
is an organizer by nature anyway. So I think it's
you know, it's certainly it's definitely memory and when it
comes to Taylor and Phoebe, but I think it comes
to you naturally. But you know, we as parents, and
(02:52):
I know that I made the deliberate attempt to do that. Also,
it wasn't when they became twenty one. It was always
age appropriate. By the time you're thirteen, there are certain
decisions they should be making. And you know, for me,
and it was a little exaggerated, probably for me that
I didn't want to be the same way. I love
my mom with all my heart, but my mom was
a dictator in everything, and I was not going to
(03:14):
do that to our girls. By the time that they
could make decisions, I was not going to be It's
not about me. I'm the parent, you're the child. And
so you know, at ten, when they were old enough
to make certain decisions, you have them start to make
this so that they learn them at thirteen, at sixteen,
just that it.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Builds confidence for them to be making their own decisions.
That's how confidence is built, and that's how an adult
is built. But honestly, I never wanted to be a
heavy handed parent either, because I feel like that closes
the door seeing that too many times other I've seen
that in families where it's like there's a wall up,
(03:50):
And why is the wall up is because it's just
so heavy handed. No one can breathe. A child loves
you unconditionally, which is probably confusing for them because you're
the parent and they do love you unconditionally, but they
can't breathe in your presence and be who they are.
And we weren't going to do that either.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
We were we weren't their best friends either. I always
made that distinction.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Taylor and Phoebe have heard me say that, more right,
Thiebes that I just never wanted to.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I'm not I'm your mother.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I want you to feel comfortable with me, but I'm
not going to raise you as you're my best friend,
because that also is not what you need, you know.
So it's a very fine line. You know, you don't
need to be their best friend, but you don't need
to be a dictator. You know. It's something you probably
fight with constantly.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Learning that may even change for you as they get
even older. Because and I'm just saying from my experience
that that trip I just took with Sammy, my oldest
he's thirty seven, to Chicago, yeah, I was dad, but
there were times where you felt like it was just trends.
Two buddies on a trip.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah you know.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
So yeah, and those things ebb and flow probably in
the moment.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Yeah, well, or like if I did that with Mattie
or Jackson, who are in there lower twenties, it wouldn't
be hey, we're buds. Yeah, you know, I'm still being
bad Sammy being older, it just felt a little more.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
See it's interesting, and I guess everybody's at different places
with that for me once they started, once Taylor and
Phoebe started driving, that began to change things certainly once
they graduated high school. I will always be dad. I
love being dad. It's my favorite job in the whole world.
But if this trip that we just took to New
York City, for example, Taylor and Phoebe were choosing and
(05:27):
doing and wanting to, you know, suggesting things, don't I don't.
I am Dad, but I don't feel that I'm in
any sort of authority kind of role. I'm there to
be a resource by this age, by the time that
they're you know, in their twenties. If I had to be,
you know, the authoritarian, then I certainly would, obviously, because
I know different people are a different places in their lives.
(05:48):
But I feel like if we hadn't set that up
from the beginning, it's almost too late now. If I'm
having to give continuous direction things, you know what I mean,
And so I meant different stages of life. I mean
there will be like insurance, explaining insurance and explaining stuff
like that, you know, that's that's a different thing. But
but you know, this most recent trip that we took
(06:10):
really was a lot of fun because everybody's participating, everybody's
suggesting what to do, everybody is you know, Phoebe's whipping
out the maps. Dad, you're walking the wrong way. I mean,
like it all, it all works, you know, together when
you get to that place.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Look, nobody, nobody becomes a parent with a real with
a real instruction book. You figure it out as you go,
but just know that it just changes.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Along the way.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Adjust the whole time.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
You adjust the whole time based on who they are
and what they need at the moment.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, it's it's a tough habit to break. And I
remember that when they were really little, Jody. I mean
that's where you start to realize, Okay, if if you
if you continue to do everything for them, then they're
really not going to be learning. And part of our
job as parents is to help the learning part. And
and it's difficult to get out of the habit of
doing because.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I think a lot of of very involved parents when
they're little, and when they're little, you're so involved because
you care about every little breath they take and every
little step they take, and you want everything to be
so great for them that you just start doing things
that become habit. I remember, I will tell you this story.
I remember Taylor probably does not even remember this, but
(07:20):
she was what maybe in junior high and or early
high school years, and she was about to leave to
go on a little trip, like a weekend camp thing
with some friends, and the mom pulled in the driveway
to pick her up at the house we live now
or anyway. I remember she had a rolling suitcase and
I was helping her out. She had a bunch of stuff,
(07:40):
you know, and I'm running, like I don't want to
be late, and she had a.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Bunch of stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
So I was helping her with the suitcase out of
the drive out on the walkway, and I said, hey,
do it like this, and you know, I was just
so that she could manage it more easily. And she,
I guess maybe because her friends were there too. She's like, no,
we don't you know.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
She was like, I got it, Mama know how to
roll a suitcase? Yeah, And I remember thinking, oh, she's right.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And I was just in the habit of being that person,
especially when she's in stress distress but just her reaction
in that moment taught me, you're right, She's right. I
don't need to be mother now. I just need to
be mother waving like not helping.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, yeah you can, you can support. You're not always
doing four now and you're not always correcting and they're
not no. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And I remember when the first times we started to
let them order for themselves at restaurants. It was cute
to do, but I loved watching it because that those
small little things build confidence in them.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
You know, you think you're doing it for the moment
and make your life easier, but you're actually making their
life harder. Yeah, because they're not You're hopefully not going
to be ordering for them when they're twenty five.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, I learn I learned to, you know, not say
no unless it was absolutely necessary, or if I said no,
I always tried to steer and coach the reason why,
so that it wasn't just a no. Is my mom
One of these was one of those that it was
just because she said. Now, it's like, okay, well that
doesn't teach anybody, doesn't teach anybody anything. But you know,
but as you get older, you realize, okay, well wait,
(09:10):
a second. They're their own person. They're not going to
hurt themselves by doing what they do. They need to
be able to do things their way, and and and
and and it was usually if you catch it the
first time, then you'll be ready for it, you know,
the next time it happens. But it's an evolving the
ever evolving stage. But the same thing Jody with the
(09:30):
food thing, I always thought that was cool. Now the
bills started getting a lot more expensive when they do that.
But the.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, when one of them always are.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
The other thing that I really you know that I have,
I have to say this is really this is a compliment.
It's a compliment to Jody, but it's also something that
I just feel good about the you know, this time period,
it just occurred to me that you and I did
not dilute our own parenting with you know, the girls.
We were even if you and I disagreed on something
(10:00):
would align separately. And I don't mean, you know, it's
not that they didn't see arguments that you and had.
I'm saying that in terms of parenting them, if there
was something that you and I disagreed on, we resolved
that before we went forward and had the conversation. They
never saw conflicted direction coming from me and you and
I think you know.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Not that I know of right, No, I never thought
about it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, well, I mean it wouldn't have. If it's one
of those where if you know, go ask mom, go
ask dad or whatever, if you any decision.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Well would I do that? That's not fair with the children.
I never thought of doing. I never wanted to do that.
Have they seen us tie up with each other?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Absolutely, like in the moment.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, that's different. That's not the same thing as not
being aligned on the parenting because if you if as
a parent, if you're really if one is disrespecting the other,
then that who's going to leave? That would be like
you having two different bosses and two different bosses disagreeing, Well,
how are you going to choose?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
And that's always know they can go to one or
the other to get the answer the right right.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Yea, and then they're working you. Yeah, anyway, that would
be an unstable environment. You're right, not fine, I want to.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Go may stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Something Murphy said earlier that you know Jody is that
way with her mom and with other relatives and all
that is she that way with us?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Too in this room. I think it's obvious. Yeah, can't
you tell? I think so, But I think that's Jody's.
But that's one of the things that I've actually always
admired about Jody is because it's not You're not wishy washy.
You you make a decision and you you just you engage.
It's what you had that's in your DNA.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I think it always.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
It astonishes me when I when and when I see
people who always, every time they see each other, they're like,
we should do this.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I don't know why we don't do this more often.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I'm thinking, all you have to do is make a
phone call or send a message and it's done. Like
planning is actually easy, it's communication. So anyway, Yeah, I
roll in here sometimes early in the morning and say, remember,
we have this today. Let's not forget we have this today.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah, And I'm like, what because it seems not overbearing,
just like keeping I look at it with you as
keeping us on track. When we start to stress, you
kind of hit wow. It's like a bowling alley with
the rubber bumpers. The ball starts going to a gutter ball,
you bump us back in.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Okay, I guess I get that analogy missed any part
of the show.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Get it all on the Murphy Salmon Jody podcast.
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Jody after the show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Got to start this podcast with a shout out to
Jody because I observed something and heard something just now
you talking to your daughter Phoebe, who is, by the way,
if you didn't know, she is with us as our
producer this summer.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, I don't know that we've actually even mentioned that
to this point her have we?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Well maybe once or twine.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I joined us for a couple of podcasts, but I
remember that was filling in or what's that.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, my mom was in the hospital.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Phoebe was here helping out, and she's helped us out
all summer, and now we're calling her producer Phoebe because
she's taking on so much.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It's been very helpful.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Yeah. Well, well, just so everybody, bring everybody up to
speed here, Jody, you and Phoebe were talking about organizing
birthday parties for your other daughter, Tailor Taylor.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Her birthdays this month.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
And I heard you in your speaking to Phoebe. I
was so happy to hear it because the way you
were giving her directions was like she's twenty one. Yeah,
she's an adult, Yes she is, and you're still giving
her directions as a parent. You're not overbearing on her.
But it was nice because the reason I'm bringing this
(01:06):
up is because I do the same thing with my kids.
I have reached a point where I don't say you
should do this, you should do that, you need to
do that because they're adults now.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Right, But you're saying it was age appropriate guidance.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
It was age appropriate. But it's also that thing you've
discussed before where you don't you never stop being a parent.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
No, gosh, yeah, it's such a thing, and you don't
know this is going to happen to you when you're
a parent until you're in it that you're parenting.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
You has to change as they change.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yes, and yes she is a young adult, but I'm
always going to be her mother, And that's the battle inside.
And some people get it wrong. You can see it clearly,
not say wrong, but struggle with it, you know, being
too overbearing or still treating them like they're little, yeah,
when in fact she's a young lady.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
But she's still my baby.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
And the way I heard you do it, and it's
the thing I've learned not to do, is to tell
them this is what you need to do. This is
how you should do it. It's always the way I
approach it is a suggestion. It's like, I know this
has worked for me in the past. You can use it.
You don't have to use it. But and I'll tell
them to call the car company, right, do this or
(02:13):
do that.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I don't even remember what direction I was giving.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I was offering to help her with something she's doing
for Taylor.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Notifying some friends, right, and you were just like, maybe
you should put together you know, you sent out a
text or an email to everybody or let everybody know, right.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I think that that's more than just maternal for Jody,
because she does that with her mom, she does that
in other social settings with their family. I mean, Jody
is an organizer by nature anyway. So I think it's
you know, it's certainly it's definitely memory and when it
comes to Taylor and Phoebe, but I think it comes
to you naturally. But you know, we as parents, and
(02:52):
I know that I made the deliberate attempt to do that. Also,
it wasn't when they became twenty one. It was always
age appropriate. By the time you're thirteen, there are certain
decisions they should be making. And you know, for me,
and it was a little exaggerated, probably for me that
I didn't want to be the same way. I love
my mom with all my heart, but my mom was
a dictator in everything, and I was not going to
(03:14):
do that to our girls. By the time that they
could make decisions, I was not going to be It's
not about me. I'm the parent, you're the child. And
so you know, at ten, when they were old enough
to make certain decisions, you have them start to make
this so that they learn them at thirteen, at sixteen,
just that it.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Builds confidence for them to be making their own decisions.
That's how confidence is built, and that's how an adult
is built. But honestly, I never wanted to be a
heavy handed parent either, because I feel like that closes
the door seeing that too many times other I've seen
that in families where it's like there's a wall up,
(03:50):
And why is the wall up is because it's just
so heavy handed. No one can breathe. A child loves
you unconditionally, which is probably confusing for them because you're
the parent and they do love you unconditionally, but they
can't breathe in your presence and be who they are.
And we weren't going to do that either.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
We were we weren't their best friends either. I always
made that distinction.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Taylor and Phoebe have heard me say that, more right,
Thiebes that I just never wanted to.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I'm not I'm your mother.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I want you to feel comfortable with me, but I'm
not going to raise you as you're my best friend,
because that also is not what you need, you know.
So it's a very fine line. You know, you don't
need to be their best friend, but you don't need
to be a dictator. You know. It's something you probably
fight with constantly.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Learning that may even change for you as they get
even older. Because and I'm just saying from my experience
that that trip I just took with Sammy, my oldest
he's thirty seven, to Chicago, yeah, I was dad, but
there were times where you felt like it was just trends.
Two buddies on a trip.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah you know.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
So yeah, and those things ebb and flow probably in
the moment.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Yeah, well, or like if I did that with Mattie
or Jackson, who are in there lower twenties, it wouldn't
be hey, we're buds. Yeah, you know, I'm still being
bad Sammy being older, it just felt a little more.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
See it's interesting, and I guess everybody's at different places
with that for me once they started, once Taylor and
Phoebe started driving, that began to change things certainly once
they graduated high school. I will always be dad. I
love being dad. It's my favorite job in the whole world.
But if this trip that we just took to New
York City, for example, Taylor and Phoebe were choosing and
(05:27):
doing and wanting to, you know, suggesting things, don't I don't.
I am Dad, but I don't feel that I'm in
any sort of authority kind of role. I'm there to
be a resource by this age, by the time that
they're you know, in their twenties. If I had to be,
you know, the authoritarian, then I certainly would, obviously, because
I know different people are a different places in their lives.
(05:48):
But I feel like if we hadn't set that up
from the beginning, it's almost too late now. If I'm
having to give continuous direction things, you know what I mean,
And so I meant different stages of life. I mean
there will be like insurance, explaining insurance and explaining stuff
like that, you know, that's that's a different thing. But
but you know, this most recent trip that we took
(06:10):
really was a lot of fun because everybody's participating, everybody's
suggesting what to do, everybody is you know, Phoebe's whipping
out the maps. Dad, you're walking the wrong way. I mean,
like it all, it all works, you know, together when
you get to that place.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Look, nobody, nobody becomes a parent with a real with
a real instruction book. You figure it out as you go,
but just know that it just changes.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Along the way.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Adjust the whole time.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
You adjust the whole time based on who they are
and what they need at the moment.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, it's it's a tough habit to break. And I
remember that when they were really little, Jody. I mean
that's where you start to realize, Okay, if if you
if you continue to do everything for them, then they're
really not going to be learning. And part of our
job as parents is to help the learning part. And
and it's difficult to get out of the habit of
doing because.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I think a lot of of very involved parents when
they're little, and when they're little, you're so involved because
you care about every little breath they take and every
little step they take, and you want everything to be
so great for them that you just start doing things
that become habit. I remember, I will tell you this story.
I remember Taylor probably does not even remember this, but
(07:20):
she was what maybe in junior high and or early
high school years, and she was about to leave to
go on a little trip, like a weekend camp thing
with some friends, and the mom pulled in the driveway
to pick her up at the house we live now
or anyway. I remember she had a rolling suitcase and
I was helping her out. She had a bunch of stuff,
(07:40):
you know, and I'm running, like I don't want to
be late, and she had a.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Bunch of stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
So I was helping her with the suitcase out of
the drive out on the walkway, and I said, hey,
do it like this, and you know, I was just
so that she could manage it more easily. And she,
I guess maybe because her friends were there too. She's like, no,
we don't you know.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
She was like, I got it, Mama know how to
roll a suitcase? Yeah, And I remember thinking, oh, she's right.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And I was just in the habit of being that person,
especially when she's in stress distress but just her reaction
in that moment taught me, you're right, She's right. I
don't need to be mother now. I just need to
be mother waving like not helping.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, yeah you can, you can support. You're not always
doing four now and you're not always correcting and they're
not no. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And I remember when the first times we started to
let them order for themselves at restaurants. It was cute
to do, but I loved watching it because that those
small little things build confidence in them.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
You know, you think you're doing it for the moment
and make your life easier, but you're actually making their
life harder. Yeah, because they're not You're hopefully not going
to be ordering for them when they're twenty five.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, I learn I learned to, you know, not say
no unless it was absolutely necessary, or if I said no,
I always tried to steer and coach the reason why,
so that it wasn't just a no. Is my mom
One of these was one of those that it was
just because she said. Now, it's like, okay, well that
doesn't teach anybody, doesn't teach anybody anything. But you know,
but as you get older, you realize, okay, well wait,
(09:10):
a second. They're their own person. They're not going to
hurt themselves by doing what they do. They need to
be able to do things their way, and and and
and and it was usually if you catch it the
first time, then you'll be ready for it, you know,
the next time it happens. But it's an evolving the
ever evolving stage. But the same thing Jody with the
(09:30):
food thing, I always thought that was cool. Now the
bills started getting a lot more expensive when they do that.
But the.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, when one of them always are.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
The other thing that I really you know that I have,
I have to say this is really this is a compliment.
It's a compliment to Jody, but it's also something that
I just feel good about the you know, this time period,
it just occurred to me that you and I did
not dilute our own parenting with you know, the girls.
We were even if you and I disagreed on something
(10:00):
would align separately. And I don't mean, you know, it's
not that they didn't see arguments that you and had.
I'm saying that in terms of parenting them, if there
was something that you and I disagreed on, we resolved
that before we went forward and had the conversation. They
never saw conflicted direction coming from me and you and
I think you know.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Not that I know of right, No, I never thought
about it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, well, I mean it wouldn't have. If it's one
of those where if you know, go ask mom, go
ask dad or whatever, if you any decision.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Well would I do that? That's not fair with the children.
I never thought of doing. I never wanted to do that.
Have they seen us tie up with each other?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Absolutely, like in the moment.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, that's different. That's not the same thing as not
being aligned on the parenting because if you if as
a parent, if you're really if one is disrespecting the other,
then that who's going to leave? That would be like
you having two different bosses and two different bosses disagreeing, Well,
how are you going to choose?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
And that's always know they can go to one or
the other to get the answer the right right.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Yea, and then they're working you. Yeah, anyway, that would
be an unstable environment. You're right, not fine, I want to.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Go may stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Something Murphy said earlier that you know Jody is that
way with her mom and with other relatives and all
that is she that way with us?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Too in this room. I think it's obvious. Yeah, can't
you tell? I think so, But I think that's Jody's.
But that's one of the things that I've actually always
admired about Jody is because it's not You're not wishy washy.
You you make a decision and you you just you engage.
It's what you had that's in your DNA.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I think it always.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
It astonishes me when I when and when I see
people who always, every time they see each other, they're like,
we should do this.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I don't know why we don't do this more often.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I'm thinking, all you have to do is make a
phone call or send a message and it's done. Like
planning is actually easy, it's communication. So anyway, Yeah, I
roll in here sometimes early in the morning and say, remember,
we have this today. Let's not forget we have this today.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah, And I'm like, what because it seems not overbearing,
just like keeping I look at it with you as
keeping us on track. When we start to stress, you
kind of hit wow. It's like a bowling alley with
the rubber bumpers. The ball starts going to a gutter ball,
you bump us back in.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Okay, I guess I get that analogy missed any part
of the show.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Get it all on the Murphy Salmon Jody podcast.
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