June 10, 2026 • 22 mins
Jodi is out of the studio, so Murphy & Jodi's daughter Phoebe hangs out with Murphy and Sam to talk about legendary artists, favorite songs, and how she chooses what to perform at her acoustic side gigs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy Sam and Jodi after the Show podcast,
And if you're watching on YouTube, or if you're not,
we'll explain it to you. But if you're watching on YouTube,
sitting in Jody's chair is a proper DNA substitute our
youngest daughter, Phoebe, because Jody is not a JODI's still
at the hospital with her mom as her mom recovers,
and of course our all this daughter Taylor has been
here to talk about her, you know, forays into it.
(00:23):
She's getting her master's degree to become a licensed professional counselor.
And so we haven't done an update on FEBEs in
a while. So Phoebe is a music major right now,
and I know that that's not where we're necessarily going
with this, But you're a music major because of your
love for music Foebes. Yeah, so, and which I love.
You know, You've grown up in a pretty musical household.
(00:43):
I would say, would you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I would absolutely agree with that. I'm sure that's probably
eighty five percent of the reason that I love it
so much.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, and your taste in music is really very broad
and very diverse, and for anybody that hat doesn't know
you play guitar, you play acoustic, antiplay electric, So I
guess just start with like, what's you know, the favorites,
And I know there are some to go way back
because I remember hearing all the music playing in your room.
So we can start literally wherever you want with you
(01:13):
know what your favorites are, why what you find really
compelling about their music? Any any place you want to
go with.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Okay, So favorites to listen to or favorites.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
To play or both?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, Okay, they differ a little bit because I'd say
probably I started really getting into music m maybe like
middle school, Yeah, like seriously getting into it. And I
was listening to a ton of Queen Yeah, oh wow,
and that's I was listening to. I was just so invested.
And then that was also when the movie Bohemian Rhapsody
(01:44):
came out, which was just perfect timing for me. And
then I got on a really big Stevie wonder Kick,
who is one of my definite biggest inspirations ever.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
This is just like one of a million incredible songs,
and I agree with that. He's so iconic. And and
you one of my favorite things that you ever did
is you were so into you actually painted your version
of the album cover. Which album cover was it?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I think it was just a portrait of him. It
was just a picture.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I don't know why. I thought you had pulled that
from one of you know, an actual album cover.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But it's a about the one on cardboard. Yeah, I
get on cardboard.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
We've got a hanging in the house.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, so you can tell it's on cardboard when you
get up close to Oh, I.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Guess I haven't. I didn't remember that.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Pretty lumpy.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm curious what was your reaction when your dad told
you that we had We were sitting like three feet
from Stevie Wonder at that thing in l A a few
weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Oh my gosh, I was okay. I was at the
beach and I was with my friends at the Airbnb,
and I was outside and when I came inside, they
were like, what happened because they heard me go, oh
my god, what? And I was I was losing my mind,
it was. I was so excited to hear that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah. Well, I mean and we were too. He was
sitting about four feet from Sam And that's not the
kind of thing that happens to us every day. And
it does not happen. It's not like we run in
those circles. And so for me, I would say he's
probably one of the most iconic people I've ever and
I didn't meet him, but just seeing him was just like,
oh my god, there there's celebrity status and then you
(03:19):
have this off the chart, icon, pinnacle of the mountain
kind of thing. And that's exactly what that was. So
I couldn't wait to tell you that because I bumped
into him walking out of the bathroom and realized, oh,
they told us there was going to be a surprise guest,
and that wasn't the moment I could introduce himself to him,
So I didn't, you.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Know, but that's so cool. Stevie Wonder in the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, I know, that's so much.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Cooler than even the road.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So Stevie was one of yours. And I know that
George Harrison you really got into you know early. It
was So was it Beatles first, then George Harrison or
did you Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Okay, well I'd say it was Beatles and then probably
Wings Paul McCartney and then George Harrison. Yeah, both of
them are huge for me. But yeah, the George Harrison
solo stuff and his music with the Beatles too, is just.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Is it, you know, George Harrison Beatles era or is
it George Harrison you know when he was doing Got
My Mind Set on You, all of that Tom Petty stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, I would say it's more all things must pass George.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Harrison for Me, which was his first solo album, right yeah.
And there were five LPs in that one.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I couldn't tell you the exact number, but I think
it was his first solo I.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Was trying to find out. I thought that we had
a copy, I guess. Yeah. I thought we had a
copy of blow Away in here, which we don't have
time to find it right now. But that album you bought,
that one that you didn't bite a garage sale, right
you was at.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
An antique store, And that's his self titled album.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, which came out of nineteen seventy nine or eighty.
That was my dad's favorite George Harrison album. So that
one in an our house when I was a kid,
was playing constantly.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And so when you when that became really your one
of your favorites from him, and you listen to it
over and over, it was like reliving childhood For me,
I thought that was cool.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I think that's really cool too. Yeah, anyone listening who
hasn't heard that album, you should definitely go listen to
it because it's It's one of those albums too, where
there's not really a bad song on it, they're all great. Yeah,
and yeah I love that kind of album.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So, you know, George Harrison is somebody I know that
from the musician side of you, is somebody you really
appreciate deeply. What at that level, what is it about
him that you love?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I'd say songwriting and guitar playing is the biggest, the
biggest ones for me. And because of course he's one
of the greatest songwriters he I don't know he of
course his songwriting was underappreciated in the Beatles during that time.
But yeah, his songs are just so just well put together,
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well organized.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And yeah, musically and lyrically right.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yes, yeah, and then his guitar is also very unique.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
He's got that us so true. I mean, if you
when you listen to him, there's a style to him. Yeah.
And I was hoping I had something here, you know
that he did with the Beatles, but he wasn't that
a song he wrote in like fifteen minutes or something
crazy like that. I think I honestly, I think something
was one of those that he was in a studio
next door and one of those classic wrote it on
(06:23):
a napkin, took up the studio and the next thing
that's a classic. But you know, the fact the and
this is obviously is very I think it's impressive because
you're talking about the artistry of people like Stevie Wonder,
who were These are all singer songwriters that you're really
into from a time period long before you were actually born.
But they are just absolute, you know, icons in music.
(06:46):
And so because they wrote, played, sang, did all of it.
I mean, look, even Stevie Wonder is the quintessential studio
musician on songs like Superstition. He played every instrument on
you know, songs like that, And you were like into
that really early on. Yeah, I guess I should have
asked you that too, Like what is it about Stevie
(07:08):
lyrically and otherwise that you love?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I don't know everything. I feel like I just loved Okay.
The thing I love about Stevie Wonder is that his
his hooks and the groove that he gets into he
repeats it for eight minutes and so it's really good
and you get to enjoy it for such a long time.
And I think that's what I found special about Stevie Wonder,
(07:33):
because it doesn't get old the entire time, and which
I think is just that really says a lot about
a musician. And yeah, I just love that. I felt
like I was escaping into the songs and ever I
would listen to them, and yeah, I just love how
long they went on for.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And yeah, what for me a Stevie Wonder song, whether
it's like I mean, isn't She lovely? It's got that
you know, long ending to its superstition, maybe one that
actually doesn't go on your you know, longer than the
average one. But like songs like I Wish you Know
that just they have the jam that just goes on.
It's almost like you you you lyrically enjoy what he's
(08:09):
singing about, and then you're in the groove and you
just get to experience it beyond what the natural end
of the song would be. Yeah, and I and yes,
I love that's why. I mean songs like do I Do?
Or what like eight minutes long? Nine minutes long? I think,
and that song, and you got into some of his
earlier stuff also, like now, of course I'm trying to
(08:32):
I'm trying to remember the name of the song. He's
at the three huge albums that he had in the
nineteen seventies, and it was a song that you actually
wound up introducing me back to. Maybe your Baby is
the name of the song?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah? Oh yeah? Is it called the That one's the
Talking Book?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You wouldn't You would probably remember that to me, being
like a kid of the radio, I just remember the singles,
and it took me a while to.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Remember Talking Book in his Talking Book Okay nineteen seventy two,
which was a huge Maybe your Baby is great that song,
and that's another one that goes on forever.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It does.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And it's really cool too because his vocals in it.
He recorded it himself singing, I believe slower in a
deeper key, and then sped up the tapes and so
his voice is higher and it's in the correct key
for the song. But it's so interesting. One of my
favorite parts of the song is it's way into it
(09:27):
and he's doing the high voice thing and he just goes,
I'm a little boy, and it's so funny. I love
it so much.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah. He For the longest time I thought that song
had backing female vocals to it, but it isn't. It's
all it's all Stevie's. Yeah, it's all Stevie's artistry. Is
there a song yet?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Not necessarily Stevie, but because I know you play gigs
and stuff too, But is there a song that, like,
is your ultimate mast I gotta master this song. I
want to be able to play this song. Oh, you've
tried it and you just can't get it yet? Or yeah,
something on the list.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Definitely just the acoustic introduction to Crazy on You by Heart. Oh,
I just would love to do that one. I have
tried it a little bit and it wasn't It wasn't
for me yet, but but I'm getting there, yeah, and
I'd like to do it.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So, Oh, I bet you you will. I know that
one of the songs that you and I didn't know
that you had actually done this song until I watched
you play it acoustically is Michael McDonald man. But you
also do your own little interpretation of it. You do
you honor the key and the chords of the song.
(10:39):
I mean, I guess you'll adjust it to your reigns, right,
but you really honor the way that the song actually sounds.
It never sounds karaoke to me because you I feel
that you embrace the songs that you learn to play
because you genuinely loved the song and so you're trying
to express it the same way artistically that a singer
songwriter would instead of just playing along with it or
(11:02):
playing the song that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah. I think because Micha McDonald's song, his voice is
so stylized, yeah, that you know, you're not going to
be able to be Michael McDonald on stage. If you're
going to do just like a Whitney Houston song, it's
gonna have to be your own thing because these are
so iconically stylized artist that if you try too hard
(11:25):
to be them, then you're gonna sound karaoke versus you know,
just being a singer.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, and just kind of tapping into your own style
a little more. And I feel like that's really that's
part of the fun of putting together the set list,
because my set list is always you know, I'm always
taking songs out and replacing them with different ones because
I do get bored of some of the songs you know,
and some of them are simpler to play than others are.
But yeah, just hearing a song and going hmm, I
(11:55):
think I could hear an acoustic version of this, And
then you sit down and you try to play it,
and then the way that you first start playing it,
it's like, well, this sounds a little tacky. What can
I do to make it more my own? And sometimes
I'll run into songs where I go, well, I don't
think I can tackle this right now. I don't think
I can make this my own right now. I need
to learn a few more things, a few more tricks,
and maybe I'll revisit it at some point.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
So Carol, she was in one of those that as
you started kind of exploring the seventies, I know that
you came into and you do play It's too Late.
I know you love so Far Away by her.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Also, yes, I love that song.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Have you mastered playing that one yet? I've heard you
do It's too late, which I think you know I haven't.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I haven't played it too far. It's it's too far away,
so far away, I haven't done so far Away yet,
because it's so beautiful on the piano that I think
there's a part of me these personal hang ups sometimes
where I'm like, yeah, I could do it on guitar,
but I just love the piano so much.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And so every vinyl collector needs a copy of Tapestry.
Do you have Tapestry yet?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
No? I do not.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
We only we need to get you that one well gave. Yeah, yeah,
because that was her Grammy Award winning album. That was
the one she had been a songwriter for so many
years for others through the nineteen sixties before she did,
you know, her her own thing.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, you make me feel like a natural one. Yeah,
for Aretha friends, it was on Tapestry. But I was
so excited when I learned that, and because I knew
the Aretha version first, of course, and it's that's one
of the coolest songs ever. And her version is great too,
and I just like that. Yeah, I like that she
has her own So you.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Know, I should point out also that really, as you
started to get into you from the Queen, you went
the rock you know route, but you really landed hard
in the R and B space, which, of course you
know is is personally my absolute favorite. Also, I'm definitely
from the Motown era, the Muscle Shoals era, all those
songs of the Stacks Vault, you know, Memphis Sound, Detroit.
(13:55):
I mean, there's so many iconic R and B sounds
from the sixties and the seventies that are really really special,
you know, and live on. And I know that you
were one that really I thought was so cool was
when you love been discovered, I should say, Sam and Day.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, well you showed me Sam and Day Yea. It
wasn't out of nowhere, but.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, So tell me what resonates with you with those
And I don't you've you have definitely done your own
interpretation of some of some R and B songs, but
not yeah, not, you know, wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I think, Yeah, it's just it's the groove and a
lot of R and B, I don't know, R and
B kind of has gospel influences too, and those chord
progressions are just the coolest. And but it's it's always
just there's always a certain special groove to it that
(14:47):
it's just unbeatable. Yeah, but I find it.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You feel it, honestly. That's that's the way I see it.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It's find interesting interesting because I'm not an R and
B performer at all, and sometimes I hope it comes
out a little bit because I love it so much,
but it's not. That's not really my sound, but it
definitely it's. Yeah, it's one of my favorite genres, just
specifically the old seventies and sixties, but I do love
(15:13):
modern R and B as well. But yeah, I'm really
I'm kind of stuck in that time.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Is there a song that when you're playing your gigs
you perform that you like to perform that you know
it's not necessarily a hit and not everybody's gonna know
the song.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Oh yeah, absolutely, let me think.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I mean, you go to kind of Taylor Swift deep
on some things, don't you.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, a little bit. I haven't been doing it as
much of her stuff lately, but she has some some
of the music from her album's Folklore and Evermore, which
are not as popular. I like those a lot, and
I've done some of those before and some people know them.
I mean a lot of people know them because it's
Taylor Swift. But yeah, but i'd say too, my favorite
(15:53):
is More Today than Yesterday by the Spiral Staircase. Oh yeah,
it was a hit, I think, Yeah it was.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It was a huge shit. It was actually a number
one song in the very late nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
People don't always recognize it whenever I play that one,
But I really I love doing those kinds too that
I know that I love this song, and I don't know,
if you're doing a three hour set, like you.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Want to introduce it to people, see how they react
to here and that the first time.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah. Well, I also also like to just play it
and look around and see who's going to look up
and notice it. That's always really fun.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, and it raises eyebrows, even when you do Hotel California,
your version of that. Your stylings are really when you
do these gigs, most of them are acoustic, and you're
doing them sort of I don't say background for a restaurant,
but you've adapted it to that kind of environment so
that it's you know, it's still got a rhythm to it,
but it's suitable for a restaurant space. And you tend
(16:48):
to yeah, and you're styling you know it fits that.
I love. I love the nineties songs that you do too,
like the Cranberries, you do Zombie also, yeah, and and
there are a number of indie artists that you have
brought in that you've done in your repertoire, right.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, i'd say so off the top of my head.
I'm kind of blinking, but yeah, that's okay. Yeah, there's
an artist named Kishi Bashi that I really like that
I do a song called Summer of forty two that's
really good, and I actually got to see him in
concert with Taylor sister and that was really special for us.
But that's one that I always play because I enjoy it,
(17:28):
but no one ever knows it except for Taylor.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
But yeah, do you like playing the acoustic or the
electric more?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I like acoustic more, but I'm getting I'm getting toward
the electric stuff. I think I need to honestly do
some neo soul or R and B work because I
think that's more of what resonates with me. Yeah, so yeah,
I think, but I do. I really love the acoustic guitar.
(17:56):
I just think it's it's just beautiful and it's what
I learned on so it's I think it's just close
to me.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, Well, you have a certainly, you know, a love
for a time period of music that I don't know.
To me, it lasts and I'm not just saying that
that's the greatest music of all time. That's because music
is great. There's still a wealth of it today. In fact,
you know, indie artists, there are so many different things
you can pull from today and discover new things that
are just mind blowingly awesome because that artistry is still there.
(18:23):
What tends to live in the commercial pop space is
what the you know, what record labels want to put out.
And rightfully so, there's a lot of great pop music too,
but a lot of the stuff that doesn't at the
mainstream now you can find in so many different places,
you know, in indie music. But it's my personal hope
that just you know, the iconic sounds that are really
the foundation of all that music from today, because that's
(18:44):
really what singer songwriters are pulling from anyway, they pull
from what they're inspired from, whether it's country, whether it's
R and B, gospel or whatever. Whatever. Those roots are
feed all of that. But you know, you are there's
Marvin Gay and Tammy to Well, I know once you
discovered that duet and how special that was and how
special a voice Marvin Gay was, I mean, there is
(19:07):
there are few things more legendary than the Motown sound
and you know what was established in that time period.
And I really feel the same way about the you know,
the Memphis sound because you know, you've got you've got
people like Eddie Floyd that came out of you know,
that sound, in addition to Sam and Dave and so
many you know of the others. It's just it's almost
really like it's limitless. And as being a music junkie myself,
(19:30):
it is. I mean, to me, it is the drug
of all drugs. It is probably one of the greatest
gifts that we've ever had. It was one of my
favorite things that I shared with my dad, who probably
instilled that love for me because music was always playing
in our house. Also, and and you know, the Phoebe
and Taylor have really become that replacement for my dad
since the since his passing, because y'all both have that
(19:51):
same you know, love for a lot of the things
that he was you know into also, which is super cool.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's really special too. And I
I love getting to listen to a song and hear
you say that you know, this song reminds you of
this part of your childhood or this song reminds you
of your father or anyone or anything. Yeah, It's it's
cool how music is very good at holding memories and
bringing them back instantly too, as soon as you hear
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a song that you remember.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Is there any song or artists that you just cannot stand?
Are you just like all music?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well? I think I think I'm a little more open now.
I think I used to have very strong feelings, but
which I will keep to myself because I have respect
for all musicians, and especially going into the music school,
I never thought classical music would be something that would
(20:50):
I would enjoy or I would resonate. But I've really
learned the importance of kind of just being open to
just hearing all music and not saying this is good,
this is bad, just kind of observing and saying that
you can learn something from every piece of music you
listen to.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
So I think that's part of you know, aging also,
But really, I mean, so, Mom, Jodi, has you know
done that for me lyrically? Because I never used to
listen to lyrics, as we've joked about her on the show,
Sam and I the same way for a long time.
But you really you open me back up in a
deeper level to people like Gordon Lightfoot, Bread some of
the other you know that kind of got the reputation
(21:27):
of being wimpy. But then when you realize, whoa wait,
this is serious artistry songwriting. When you talk about strings
and horns and things being orchestrated together in a studio
and one production, how elaborate. And then the other thing is,
now that I've had exposure to country artists, some of
these summits that I've gone through just because of what
we do for you know, for a living, and they
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tell their stories about where these songs have come from
and how it means you connect a person to it. Immediately,
it takes on exactly what Phoebe's talking about. Now, it's
I'm with you. I don't judge any of it anymore,
whether it's my personal taste or not. I just love music,
you know, because you know of what it is. And
I just think that's really I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
When I hear those personal stories like that, I from
that point on, I can never let go of that song. Yeah,
whether I like the song or not, it's just like
I know that song now and it's always going to
be with me because you told me the story.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Get personalized, right exactly. Yeah, well so Fiebs will have
to do another podcast and this because we can almost
do a whole series just on music. It's the same
passion I think for for all of us here in
the next time. My mom's here. But thanks for hanging
out with us. This is cool. After the show podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, this is fun. I'm here to talk about music
anytime you'll want. All right, Thanks, guys
Speaker 1 (22:43):
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And if you're watching on YouTube, or if you're not,
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sitting in Jody's chair is a proper DNA substitute our
youngest daughter, Phoebe, because Jody is not a JODI's still
at the hospital with her mom as her mom recovers,
and of course our all this daughter Taylor has been
here to talk about her, you know, forays into it.
(00:23):
She's getting her master's degree to become a licensed professional counselor.
And so we haven't done an update on FEBEs in
a while. So Phoebe is a music major right now,
and I know that that's not where we're necessarily going
with this, But you're a music major because of your
love for music Foebes. Yeah, so, and which I love.
You know, You've grown up in a pretty musical household.
(00:43):
I would say, would you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I would absolutely agree with that. I'm sure that's probably
eighty five percent of the reason that I love it
so much.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, and your taste in music is really very broad
and very diverse, and for anybody that hat doesn't know
you play guitar, you play acoustic, antiplay electric, So I
guess just start with like, what's you know, the favorites,
And I know there are some to go way back
because I remember hearing all the music playing in your room.
So we can start literally wherever you want with you
(01:13):
know what your favorites are, why what you find really
compelling about their music? Any any place you want to
go with.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Okay, So favorites to listen to or favorites.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
To play or both?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, Okay, they differ a little bit because I'd say
probably I started really getting into music m maybe like
middle school, Yeah, like seriously getting into it. And I
was listening to a ton of Queen Yeah, oh wow,
and that's I was listening to. I was just so invested.
And then that was also when the movie Bohemian Rhapsody
(01:44):
came out, which was just perfect timing for me. And
then I got on a really big Stevie wonder Kick,
who is one of my definite biggest inspirations ever.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
This is just like one of a million incredible songs,
and I agree with that. He's so iconic. And and
you one of my favorite things that you ever did
is you were so into you actually painted your version
of the album cover. Which album cover was it?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I think it was just a portrait of him. It
was just a picture.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I don't know why. I thought you had pulled that
from one of you know, an actual album cover.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But it's a about the one on cardboard. Yeah, I
get on cardboard.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
We've got a hanging in the house.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, so you can tell it's on cardboard when you
get up close to Oh, I.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Guess I haven't. I didn't remember that.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Pretty lumpy.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm curious what was your reaction when your dad told
you that we had We were sitting like three feet
from Stevie Wonder at that thing in l A a few
weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Oh my gosh, I was okay. I was at the
beach and I was with my friends at the Airbnb,
and I was outside and when I came inside, they
were like, what happened because they heard me go, oh
my god, what? And I was I was losing my mind,
it was. I was so excited to hear that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah. Well, I mean and we were too. He was
sitting about four feet from Sam And that's not the
kind of thing that happens to us every day. And
it does not happen. It's not like we run in
those circles. And so for me, I would say he's
probably one of the most iconic people I've ever and
I didn't meet him, but just seeing him was just like,
oh my god, there there's celebrity status and then you
(03:19):
have this off the chart, icon, pinnacle of the mountain
kind of thing. And that's exactly what that was. So
I couldn't wait to tell you that because I bumped
into him walking out of the bathroom and realized, oh,
they told us there was going to be a surprise guest,
and that wasn't the moment I could introduce himself to him,
So I didn't, you.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Know, but that's so cool. Stevie Wonder in the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, I know, that's so much.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Cooler than even the road.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So Stevie was one of yours. And I know that
George Harrison you really got into you know early. It
was So was it Beatles first, then George Harrison or
did you Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Okay, well I'd say it was Beatles and then probably
Wings Paul McCartney and then George Harrison. Yeah, both of
them are huge for me. But yeah, the George Harrison
solo stuff and his music with the Beatles too, is just.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Is it, you know, George Harrison Beatles era or is
it George Harrison you know when he was doing Got
My Mind Set on You, all of that Tom Petty stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, I would say it's more all things must pass George.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Harrison for Me, which was his first solo album, right yeah.
And there were five LPs in that one.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I couldn't tell you the exact number, but I think
it was his first solo I.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Was trying to find out. I thought that we had
a copy, I guess. Yeah. I thought we had a
copy of blow Away in here, which we don't have
time to find it right now. But that album you bought,
that one that you didn't bite a garage sale, right
you was at.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
An antique store, And that's his self titled album.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, which came out of nineteen seventy nine or eighty.
That was my dad's favorite George Harrison album. So that
one in an our house when I was a kid,
was playing constantly.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And so when you when that became really your one
of your favorites from him, and you listen to it
over and over, it was like reliving childhood For me,
I thought that was cool.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I think that's really cool too. Yeah, anyone listening who
hasn't heard that album, you should definitely go listen to
it because it's It's one of those albums too, where
there's not really a bad song on it, they're all great. Yeah,
and yeah I love that kind of album.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So, you know, George Harrison is somebody I know that
from the musician side of you, is somebody you really
appreciate deeply. What at that level, what is it about
him that you love?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I'd say songwriting and guitar playing is the biggest, the
biggest ones for me. And because of course he's one
of the greatest songwriters he I don't know he of
course his songwriting was underappreciated in the Beatles during that time.
But yeah, his songs are just so just well put together,
(05:54):
well organized.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And yeah, musically and lyrically right.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yes, yeah, and then his guitar is also very unique.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
He's got that us so true. I mean, if you
when you listen to him, there's a style to him. Yeah.
And I was hoping I had something here, you know
that he did with the Beatles, but he wasn't that
a song he wrote in like fifteen minutes or something
crazy like that. I think I honestly, I think something
was one of those that he was in a studio
next door and one of those classic wrote it on
(06:23):
a napkin, took up the studio and the next thing
that's a classic. But you know, the fact the and
this is obviously is very I think it's impressive because
you're talking about the artistry of people like Stevie Wonder,
who were These are all singer songwriters that you're really
into from a time period long before you were actually born.
But they are just absolute, you know, icons in music.
(06:46):
And so because they wrote, played, sang, did all of it.
I mean, look, even Stevie Wonder is the quintessential studio
musician on songs like Superstition. He played every instrument on
you know, songs like that, And you were like into
that really early on. Yeah, I guess I should have
asked you that too, Like what is it about Stevie
(07:08):
lyrically and otherwise that you love?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I don't know everything. I feel like I just loved Okay.
The thing I love about Stevie Wonder is that his
his hooks and the groove that he gets into he
repeats it for eight minutes and so it's really good
and you get to enjoy it for such a long time.
And I think that's what I found special about Stevie Wonder,
(07:33):
because it doesn't get old the entire time, and which
I think is just that really says a lot about
a musician. And yeah, I just love that. I felt
like I was escaping into the songs and ever I
would listen to them, and yeah, I just love how
long they went on for.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And yeah, what for me a Stevie Wonder song, whether
it's like I mean, isn't She lovely? It's got that
you know, long ending to its superstition, maybe one that
actually doesn't go on your you know, longer than the
average one. But like songs like I Wish you Know
that just they have the jam that just goes on.
It's almost like you you you lyrically enjoy what he's
(08:09):
singing about, and then you're in the groove and you
just get to experience it beyond what the natural end
of the song would be. Yeah, and I and yes,
I love that's why. I mean songs like do I Do?
Or what like eight minutes long? Nine minutes long? I think,
and that song, and you got into some of his
earlier stuff also, like now, of course I'm trying to
(08:32):
I'm trying to remember the name of the song. He's
at the three huge albums that he had in the
nineteen seventies, and it was a song that you actually
wound up introducing me back to. Maybe your Baby is
the name of the song?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah? Oh yeah? Is it called the That one's the
Talking Book?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You wouldn't You would probably remember that to me, being
like a kid of the radio, I just remember the singles,
and it took me a while to.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Remember Talking Book in his Talking Book Okay nineteen seventy two,
which was a huge Maybe your Baby is great that song,
and that's another one that goes on forever.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It does.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And it's really cool too because his vocals in it.
He recorded it himself singing, I believe slower in a
deeper key, and then sped up the tapes and so
his voice is higher and it's in the correct key
for the song. But it's so interesting. One of my
favorite parts of the song is it's way into it
(09:27):
and he's doing the high voice thing and he just goes,
I'm a little boy, and it's so funny. I love
it so much.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah. He For the longest time I thought that song
had backing female vocals to it, but it isn't. It's
all it's all Stevie's. Yeah, it's all Stevie's artistry. Is
there a song yet?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Not necessarily Stevie, but because I know you play gigs
and stuff too, But is there a song that, like,
is your ultimate mast I gotta master this song. I
want to be able to play this song. Oh, you've
tried it and you just can't get it yet? Or yeah,
something on the list.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Definitely just the acoustic introduction to Crazy on You by Heart. Oh,
I just would love to do that one. I have
tried it a little bit and it wasn't It wasn't
for me yet, but but I'm getting there, yeah, and
I'd like to do it.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So, Oh, I bet you you will. I know that
one of the songs that you and I didn't know
that you had actually done this song until I watched
you play it acoustically is Michael McDonald man. But you
also do your own little interpretation of it. You do
you honor the key and the chords of the song.
(10:39):
I mean, I guess you'll adjust it to your reigns, right,
but you really honor the way that the song actually sounds.
It never sounds karaoke to me because you I feel
that you embrace the songs that you learn to play
because you genuinely loved the song and so you're trying
to express it the same way artistically that a singer
songwriter would instead of just playing along with it or
(11:02):
playing the song that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah. I think because Micha McDonald's song, his voice is
so stylized, yeah, that you know, you're not going to
be able to be Michael McDonald on stage. If you're
going to do just like a Whitney Houston song, it's
gonna have to be your own thing because these are
so iconically stylized artist that if you try too hard
(11:25):
to be them, then you're gonna sound karaoke versus you know,
just being a singer.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, and just kind of tapping into your own style
a little more. And I feel like that's really that's
part of the fun of putting together the set list,
because my set list is always you know, I'm always
taking songs out and replacing them with different ones because
I do get bored of some of the songs you know,
and some of them are simpler to play than others are.
But yeah, just hearing a song and going hmm, I
(11:55):
think I could hear an acoustic version of this, And
then you sit down and you try to play it,
and then the way that you first start playing it,
it's like, well, this sounds a little tacky. What can
I do to make it more my own? And sometimes
I'll run into songs where I go, well, I don't
think I can tackle this right now. I don't think
I can make this my own right now. I need
to learn a few more things, a few more tricks,
and maybe I'll revisit it at some point.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
So Carol, she was in one of those that as
you started kind of exploring the seventies, I know that
you came into and you do play It's too Late.
I know you love so Far Away by her.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Also, yes, I love that song.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Have you mastered playing that one yet? I've heard you
do It's too late, which I think you know I haven't.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I haven't played it too far. It's it's too far away,
so far away, I haven't done so far Away yet,
because it's so beautiful on the piano that I think
there's a part of me these personal hang ups sometimes
where I'm like, yeah, I could do it on guitar,
but I just love the piano so much.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And so every vinyl collector needs a copy of Tapestry.
Do you have Tapestry yet?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
No? I do not.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
We only we need to get you that one well gave. Yeah, yeah,
because that was her Grammy Award winning album. That was
the one she had been a songwriter for so many
years for others through the nineteen sixties before she did,
you know, her her own thing.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, you make me feel like a natural one. Yeah,
for Aretha friends, it was on Tapestry. But I was
so excited when I learned that, and because I knew
the Aretha version first, of course, and it's that's one
of the coolest songs ever. And her version is great too,
and I just like that. Yeah, I like that she
has her own So you.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Know, I should point out also that really, as you
started to get into you from the Queen, you went
the rock you know route, but you really landed hard
in the R and B space, which, of course you
know is is personally my absolute favorite. Also, I'm definitely
from the Motown era, the Muscle Shoals era, all those
songs of the Stacks Vault, you know, Memphis Sound, Detroit.
(13:55):
I mean, there's so many iconic R and B sounds
from the sixties and the seventies that are really really special,
you know, and live on. And I know that you
were one that really I thought was so cool was
when you love been discovered, I should say, Sam and Day.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, well you showed me Sam and Day Yea. It
wasn't out of nowhere, but.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, So tell me what resonates with you with those
And I don't you've you have definitely done your own
interpretation of some of some R and B songs, but
not yeah, not, you know, wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I think, Yeah, it's just it's the groove and a
lot of R and B, I don't know, R and
B kind of has gospel influences too, and those chord
progressions are just the coolest. And but it's it's always
just there's always a certain special groove to it that
(14:47):
it's just unbeatable. Yeah, but I find it.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You feel it, honestly. That's that's the way I see it.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It's find interesting interesting because I'm not an R and
B performer at all, and sometimes I hope it comes
out a little bit because I love it so much,
but it's not. That's not really my sound, but it
definitely it's. Yeah, it's one of my favorite genres, just
specifically the old seventies and sixties, but I do love
(15:13):
modern R and B as well. But yeah, I'm really
I'm kind of stuck in that time.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Is there a song that when you're playing your gigs
you perform that you like to perform that you know
it's not necessarily a hit and not everybody's gonna know
the song.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Oh yeah, absolutely, let me think.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I mean, you go to kind of Taylor Swift deep
on some things, don't you.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, a little bit. I haven't been doing it as
much of her stuff lately, but she has some some
of the music from her album's Folklore and Evermore, which
are not as popular. I like those a lot, and
I've done some of those before and some people know them.
I mean a lot of people know them because it's
Taylor Swift. But yeah, but i'd say too, my favorite
(15:53):
is More Today than Yesterday by the Spiral Staircase. Oh yeah,
it was a hit, I think, Yeah it was.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It was a huge shit. It was actually a number
one song in the very late nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
People don't always recognize it whenever I play that one,
But I really I love doing those kinds too that
I know that I love this song, and I don't know,
if you're doing a three hour set, like you.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Want to introduce it to people, see how they react
to here and that the first time.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah. Well, I also also like to just play it
and look around and see who's going to look up
and notice it. That's always really fun.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, and it raises eyebrows, even when you do Hotel California,
your version of that. Your stylings are really when you
do these gigs, most of them are acoustic, and you're
doing them sort of I don't say background for a restaurant,
but you've adapted it to that kind of environment so
that it's you know, it's still got a rhythm to it,
but it's suitable for a restaurant space. And you tend
(16:48):
to yeah, and you're styling you know it fits that.
I love. I love the nineties songs that you do too,
like the Cranberries, you do Zombie also, yeah, and and
there are a number of indie artists that you have
brought in that you've done in your repertoire, right.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, i'd say so off the top of my head.
I'm kind of blinking, but yeah, that's okay. Yeah, there's
an artist named Kishi Bashi that I really like that
I do a song called Summer of forty two that's
really good, and I actually got to see him in
concert with Taylor sister and that was really special for us.
But that's one that I always play because I enjoy it,
(17:28):
but no one ever knows it except for Taylor.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
But yeah, do you like playing the acoustic or the
electric more?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I like acoustic more, but I'm getting I'm getting toward
the electric stuff. I think I need to honestly do
some neo soul or R and B work because I
think that's more of what resonates with me. Yeah, so yeah,
I think, but I do. I really love the acoustic guitar.
(17:56):
I just think it's it's just beautiful and it's what
I learned on so it's I think it's just close
to me.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, Well, you have a certainly, you know, a love
for a time period of music that I don't know.
To me, it lasts and I'm not just saying that
that's the greatest music of all time. That's because music
is great. There's still a wealth of it today. In fact,
you know, indie artists, there are so many different things
you can pull from today and discover new things that
are just mind blowingly awesome because that artistry is still there.
(18:23):
What tends to live in the commercial pop space is
what the you know, what record labels want to put out.
And rightfully so, there's a lot of great pop music too,
but a lot of the stuff that doesn't at the
mainstream now you can find in so many different places,
you know, in indie music. But it's my personal hope
that just you know, the iconic sounds that are really
the foundation of all that music from today, because that's
(18:44):
really what singer songwriters are pulling from anyway, they pull
from what they're inspired from, whether it's country, whether it's
R and B, gospel or whatever. Whatever. Those roots are
feed all of that. But you know, you are there's
Marvin Gay and Tammy to Well, I know once you
discovered that duet and how special that was and how
special a voice Marvin Gay was, I mean, there is
(19:07):
there are few things more legendary than the Motown sound
and you know what was established in that time period.
And I really feel the same way about the you know,
the Memphis sound because you know, you've got you've got
people like Eddie Floyd that came out of you know,
that sound, in addition to Sam and Dave and so
many you know of the others. It's just it's almost
really like it's limitless. And as being a music junkie myself,
(19:30):
it is. I mean, to me, it is the drug
of all drugs. It is probably one of the greatest
gifts that we've ever had. It was one of my
favorite things that I shared with my dad, who probably
instilled that love for me because music was always playing
in our house. Also, and and you know, the Phoebe
and Taylor have really become that replacement for my dad
since the since his passing, because y'all both have that
(19:51):
same you know, love for a lot of the things
that he was you know into also, which is super cool.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's really special too. And I
I love getting to listen to a song and hear
you say that you know, this song reminds you of
this part of your childhood or this song reminds you
of your father or anyone or anything. Yeah, It's it's
cool how music is very good at holding memories and
bringing them back instantly too, as soon as you hear
(20:18):
a song that you remember.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Is there any song or artists that you just cannot stand?
Are you just like all music?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well? I think I think I'm a little more open now.
I think I used to have very strong feelings, but
which I will keep to myself because I have respect
for all musicians, and especially going into the music school,
I never thought classical music would be something that would
(20:50):
I would enjoy or I would resonate. But I've really
learned the importance of kind of just being open to
just hearing all music and not saying this is good,
this is bad, just kind of observing and saying that
you can learn something from every piece of music you
listen to.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
So I think that's part of you know, aging also,
But really, I mean, so, Mom, Jodi, has you know
done that for me lyrically? Because I never used to
listen to lyrics, as we've joked about her on the show,
Sam and I the same way for a long time.
But you really you open me back up in a
deeper level to people like Gordon Lightfoot, Bread some of
the other you know that kind of got the reputation
(21:27):
of being wimpy. But then when you realize, whoa wait,
this is serious artistry songwriting. When you talk about strings
and horns and things being orchestrated together in a studio
and one production, how elaborate. And then the other thing is,
now that I've had exposure to country artists, some of
these summits that I've gone through just because of what
we do for you know, for a living, and they
(21:47):
tell their stories about where these songs have come from
and how it means you connect a person to it. Immediately,
it takes on exactly what Phoebe's talking about. Now, it's
I'm with you. I don't judge any of it anymore,
whether it's my personal taste or not. I just love music,
you know, because you know of what it is. And
I just think that's really I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
When I hear those personal stories like that, I from
that point on, I can never let go of that song. Yeah,
whether I like the song or not, it's just like
I know that song now and it's always going to
be with me because you told me the story.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Get personalized, right exactly. Yeah, well so Fiebs will have
to do another podcast and this because we can almost
do a whole series just on music. It's the same
passion I think for for all of us here in
the next time. My mom's here. But thanks for hanging
out with us. This is cool. After the show podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, this is fun. I'm here to talk about music
anytime you'll want. All right, Thanks, guys
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Missed any part of the show, Get it all on
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