June 4, 2026 • 19 mins
Guess who's nervous about speaking to a crowd - but doing it anyway? How to face that fear.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Jody after the Show podcast,
and Jody's about to do something. I think it's cool
because I really love this about Jody, and I'm not
saying that just because we're married. Is there are there
are events that if you're asked to host them, generally speaking,
they have a fundraising aspect to them, a nonprofit aspect.
(00:21):
There's some sort of a community benefit, you know, to
what you're doing. Right, You've done it with vet schools,
you've done it with shelters, You've done it, and now
you've got one.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
That's basically runs and races, and.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
This one is going to be one of the community
type awards recognitions for somebody who's done great things in
the community that you've been asked to host.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, I'm not that's I've not been asked to host it,
which is interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm sorry. That's right. You're the keynote speaker, you're not actually.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Speaker, So understand something. I'm trying to say yes when
I'm asked to speak at places more and more often
because of what happened at the where I did that
speech where I got messed up and I got off
track and I had to sort of improv in the
most important night of my life, and I was upset
(01:10):
with myself by the way it came out. Everybody was
fine and they it sounded fine, but it's not what
I intended.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I was upset with myself. So what do you do?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You get back on the horse. Whatever you you know,
you try again. It's I do get asked to host
things and mc things a lot, and mostly and when
I can, I say yes. But it is something I
want to improve.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
On and get better at.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You know, people assume that you're you're gonna be great
in front of a crowd because you because we do this,
you know, this show together. But it's not the same.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No, it's not because of the three of us. This
is on most days.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
This is actually an intimate setting. And I did say
this in front of a crowd recently. I'm more comfortable
with with you guys in here having these conversations and
doing this show than I am and other places in
my life. This is my comfort place. I'm very comfortable.
I'm not necessarily in front of five hundred people and
(02:08):
I'm and they're they're all staring at you, and you're
at the podium and you're there to do a job
and you bring the energy.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
And you know, not every event has keynote speaking. Every
you know, events that are looking for MC's what's interesting
to me about that over the years of doing that,
being a host, to me is more challenging, stressful, pers
about everything up front than keynote speaking, because at least
keynote speaking you know where you're going to go, what
(02:36):
your topic is. You'll go a to Z and that's that, right.
MCing requires you being on the vigilant about what's happening
across the room and adapting as you need and making
to adapt you stay on, you know, on course.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And the last thing I did hosted was I was
the MC for an event like an awards ceremony and
there were a lot of tough names that I worked
on getting correctly and I didn't get them all right,
and I apologized for it. It was lengthy. By the
end of it, I thought I needed a cough drop.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
It was a lot of ground to cover.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
You did a great job.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I did fine.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I was proud of myself afterwards, and even that they
even said we'll have you back next year because you
finished earlier than we expected.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, that's interesting. Well, you know, and you do take
you take it seriously. The it's this is difficult almost
to explain that when you when you're in an MC role,
you're also cognizant about the time factor exactly. And you know,
you've got to keep the events running so that you're
not keeping everybody there late. Very read the room, right,
(03:36):
and it's very easy to get lost in the middle
of it as things are happening to start to you know,
lose track of time. Yeah, and so for the one
that you're talking, I know that's not the one you're
about to do the keynote for, but you actually wrapped
up the one that you hosted recently in what thirty
minutes ahead of time schedule?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
How much of sit twenty or thirty minutes earlier than
they thought, right, And they.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Were like, we're going to have you back next year.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And it didn't. It did not feel rushed. Every single
you know, recipient got through time and you know, and
their photos and all of that.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
So I got to call a lady. Her name is Kathy.
She reached out to me and said, hey, can we talk.
I want to you know, I'm a part of this
organization and I want to talk to you about an
event that we have coming up, and I thought for sure.
I said, yeah, I'll call you whenever. And we kept
missing each other. And it was the other day and
I went to take a walk. I put my earbuds on.
I'm getting my exercise in. I thought, let me call Kathy.
And I called her and walking and I thought, for sure,
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I would have bet my life on the fact that
she was going to ask me to m see it,
you know, just move things along and be the host.
And she's like, no, we have our MC we want
you to be the keynote. And I almost tripped. Now
I have spoken before at places where I'm the speaker
a long time ago, smaller groups or whatever. This is
going to be a few hundred people, it's formal, and
(04:54):
I'm the keynote. The good news is that I have
and it is it's to celebrate someone in the community.
Nominations are coming in that person hasn't.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Been picked yet, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
So I'm really excited to do it, you know. And
I even thanked her for asking me. They're very excited.
You guys are invited as well, but not to keynote.
She even said, we want to you know, a single
keynote speaker, and you know, the guys can come with you,
put them in their texes and we will have they'll
have dinner with us and whatnot. But we want you
a keynote.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
What is the Do you have a topic that you
were given?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I even said that, Do you want to give me
a topic or a direction? She said, no, we want
you to do you tell us your stories.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Tell that's what you think, that's in your wheelhouse. And
you know, I would say for you know, for anybody
that gets put in that situation, or if you've ever
doubted yourself and you're going to be speaking in an event,
it actually is easier for you to speak about something
authentically if it's something that's meaningful to you and you're
passionate about it. But you're still going to be a
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little bit nervous when you go up there, Yes, but
it's going to feel real and the audience is going
to connect with you because you're not just trying to
read something from a script. You're not trying to create
something that's really not connected to you. And Jody, I
think that's one thing that you're really you know, you're
you're good at is making sure that when you do
these any sort of keynote type speaking that you've done
(06:18):
in the past, you choose something that comes from a
very real place that you also think has a benefit
to the.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Going to somehow find a way to connect it to
whoever is being honored, Because I will open the thing
as I understand that I'm the first one. I'll keynote
is usually first, and you set the tone. That means
you set the tone. You're like entertainment almost and so
you set the pace. And I do have a lot
of little stories, but once I find out who is
actually being honored, I'm going to find out some things
(06:44):
about them. Sure that the night, the night bridges from
me to the whoever's going to take over and host
a MC and then to that person that we're there
to celebrate.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, if you need any help with any jokes you
want to drop in, let me know.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I want to find out who the person is and
what you're kind of where you're going. Maybe we can
come up with one.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Or two you sure, Okay?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I mean I can always yell them from the crowd, Sam,
if you want.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I can't be you though, I have to be me,
so the jokes I usually make are very Jodie.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I will say this, I was really honored to be
asked to be the keynote. There was this tiny little
part of me inside my head going, don't say yes
to this because when you when when November rolls around,
I've got on until November. It's several months away. You know,
it's gonna be like, oh, I got to do this.
But I want to get better at this. You know,
you don't grow without a little discomfort, right.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I love that so much.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I want to get better at this.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I respect that so much.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well, thank you, you're invited. You're invited to Sam if
you want to come. But I'm going to I'm going
to tell you this. In the past, every other time
I've ever spoken at anything, even the last one I
hosted the awards ceremony, I read over everything. I said
the names out loud, you know, I didn't really time it,
(08:04):
but I read everything. I made sure that I knew
every word. I've never practiced, not really, I've never practiced
what I was going to speak. I'm going to practice
it because I'm not going to roll in there being
asked to do this and not practice it, they say.
You know, even if I do it in front of
the mirror front, in front of our dog champ, I'm
going to run through it one or two times first
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and then just show.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Up and hope for the best.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Do you have a time limit?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, well, I said. When she asked me, I said,
are we talking like ten minutes? And that's what I
was hoping for. She goes, you can go twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I wanted to say, I don't know if I can
go twenty. So we'll see. It usually goes faster than
you think. You're up there for five minutes and you
think it's been one I know that's a fact from
having spoken before, but it's something I want.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
To get better at. It is a.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
People assume that it's easy if you make it look easy,
but it's not. You have to be prepared for that.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Just a case for anything. Yes, anything that you see
that's well done generally has been rehearsed on some level.
It's the same thing that we know about stand up comics.
They test their stuff out and if it bombs in
the clubs, they're not bringing it to the stage with them.
You know, I mean, you know Nate BURGATSI does the
same thing, right. I mean, you know, every stand up comment,
a comic you know does that, or you know, even
(09:23):
and there're certainly gifted speakers. I always admire somebody that
can just stand up and extemporaneously get up on the
stage and blend right in because it's a it's a
very real thing, and I do think that practice makes
you better at that over time and storytelling.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
There will be storytelling.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I will probably open with a story, but I'm also
going to try to do some of those things that
you know that you're supposed to do. Tell them what
you're going to tell them, Explain to them who you
are right away, even if it's just with a story. Yeah,
and a lot of them in the audience will already
know of me, right. You know how many times I've
spoken at places and people came up to me after
we're going as soon as you started speaking on kN
who you are? Murphy's am and Jodi, where are the guys?
(10:01):
I've heard that before.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, you know, but it's smart too, because there's always
going to be you know, a group that doesn't know
it's their first time, sure, and you're you're making sure
that you're welcoming to somebody who's not I've been there.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Got to kind of think think about speaking to everyone
so you know they're nervous.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You will do fine, you will do great. Rehearsing really
does help with the muscle memory because you begin to
get comfortable with the flow. Yeah, and uh, you know,
it's been a minute since I hosted anything solo. I
think it was like a hall of Fame ceremony for uh,
the high school that I went right and.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You did well, thank you, And we thought that we
barely got you there because your car broke down.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Remember, Oh wow, Yeah, you're right. That was crazy too,
because that was that was nerve wracking. But I had,
you know, just work through it and got to make sure,
especially when you're getting to know in that setting there
are some of these inductees that you don't know, and
so you really have to do your homework, you know,
to care and and and and make it come off right.
And you know, I'm a self you know, admitted perfectionist,
(11:04):
so I can't just have somebody hand me a script
for people that I don't know about and sincerely induct
them into a Hall of Fame without really knowing something
you know about them. You know, it's so weird about
the I had somebody ask me today, Jodie, about how
things went at the Gray Sees when you were, you know,
accepting your award as Radio Syndicated Host of the Year
(11:28):
for twenty five. Even though I know the award summary
was this year. I think it's for twenty twenty five, right,
And you know they in that particular ceremony, there are
a lot of people that want to use a teleprompter,
and and so that was required. And we've already done
a podcast in this before where you talked about, you know,
it's hard for me. Last minute you got requested for
(11:49):
the change, and then the teleprompter wasn't moving and it throws.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You off and I go off script and just do it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, And that's why where I think the muscle memory
really comes in and kicks in, you know, just by
rehearsing it until you're comfortable. I always used to stress
out because I would I would try to get everything
verbatim exactly the way I wanted it delivered every single time.
And it's funny how you can go through it twenty
(12:15):
times in your head and then it just flowed the
flow takes you in a different direction. But once I
began to ease up and just trust the process. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. It's again because even if,
even if when I was asked to do something and
I didn't know who the people were that I was inducting,
by that time I got to know them, I was
comfortable enough to be authentic. I guess again, it's when you.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Like when you met them before before you went up.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, and then talking about him, you're not quite
as nervous because again, you you're familiar versus being like
wound up in a script.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Prepare as much as you can is the is the goal.
And it's funny because you're offering jokes for me, Sam,
But do you not do people not ask you to
host things? No?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I'm surprised you would be great.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
In fact, the last thing I was asked to do
was be a part of a Christmas play at church?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Did you do it?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
I was a radio announcer, Yeah, and I had a
script to go by.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So and how did that go?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Any? Went great?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Did you throw in any side jokes?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah? We had some problems hearing each other and he
had a yeah, wild looking sweater on, and so while
we were trying to kill time ad lib between something
going wrong, I started talking about his sweater perfect.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
See, that's your gift, that's your talent. Yeah, but I'm
just I.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Can't get in front of a group of people and talk.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
That's not true. You can. You're really good.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Gall are with me and it's the burfy Sam and
Jody thing. I can do that, but I disagree on stage,
if I can't see the people out there, I can
do it, but I can't. I don't think I can
get up and give like a twenty minute speech just
on whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I see what you mean. Well, you know, over the
years together we've done things from hosting stages and stuff
like that, and I've always thought that you were I
thought that was your Wheelhoun too, it's Sam, And there've
been podcasts I think orhere you've addressed this before that
like in front of the crowd situation, you're even more comfortable.
And look, I think you've changed over the years, I think,
but there was a time where you were much more
(14:20):
comfortable in a crowd setting than just one on one. Yeah,
I think your comfort level has improved in the in
the one on one area over the years also. But
I hear what you're saying, But you've always been I
think in front of a group. You know how to
get a group excited about what's going on. You know
how to focus on them. And it's interesting it doesn't
require you to necessarily be vulnerable. I guess is that
(14:44):
you know the term.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
It's just it's like, if it's the group of us
to do it, I've already got in my head that
I'm here for comic relief.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, and you perform it.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
If there's any cherry on top of it, I'll be
able to contribute a few things that are important or takeaways.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
But I'm going in there with I'm just waiting to
throw in some punchlines.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You're waiting for us to say something that triggers your
ha ha.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yeah. Now, we recently had a little video conference go
team call with somebody who interviewed us for an hour,
and I was nervous about that, believe it or not,
because really, yeah, because it's like, what am I going
to add to this? And then as we got into it,
I got comfortable with the guy, and so.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I was able to.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Include good stuff, not just.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
That's some really good stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, I think the comfort is everything once you kind
of settle into the groove, and I think that's the
case with anybody. And again I could reasonally keep pointing
this back out is because if you're listening to this
podcast and you're faced with it, whether you're leading a
meeting in front of twelve people at work, or whether
you're going to be doing something at a group party
or whatever, it is possible to overcome. Like Jody said,
you just for one thing, you just do it. But
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if you're prepped for it, and eventually you know the drill,
you know the people, the comfort part will kind of
inch its way in. It doesn't mean that you're not
going to have the adrenaline rush the whole time, but
you will begin to be able to roll with it.
The vibe kind of takes it over for you.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
In my experience, be prepared for it, but don't be
rigid about it. Yeah, be prepared for it and be
ready to bend and shift if you know something. If
somebody says something that takes you off course, so be it.
Welcome it. That makes sense. You don't perform as well
at anything if you're over thinking about it and you
want it to be perfect.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You get in your own way.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
If I am too prepared, I'm useless. What you just said.
If somebody throws a question, I can handle that a
lot better than I can. These are the three points
we're going to make.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
And period stick to it right because it's.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Like, I gotta remember what's number three again? What's number
three again?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Be prepared, but be flexible. Yeah, that's my plan. But
the reason this is a big deal for me even
talking about it, I'm like, I need to start jotting
out my notes and my store.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It's because.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
This is self work, because it would have been easier
for me to say no, thank you, I'm busy that
weekend something like that. But it's I want to get
better at this, and so it's a little scary jumping
off into the big pool of keynote as it always
used to be just hosts or MC, But I want
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to get better at it.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I think that I think that you will do you
know well with that and the little things. Samy, you
just said something I think you know would be beneficial
for anybody to know that even if you have, you know,
three things that you wanted to cover. If you didn't
state that from the beginning. The audience may not know that,
and so number three goes away. It just goes away.
You know, we could we tend to get in our
(17:45):
own heads about it and be more concerned about it. Yeah,
kind of like what happened with you with Gracies, Jody,
you know. I mean, it's it's still if you want
to just focusing and don't let that distract you, and
you just move on. And I would probably say, you know,
if one, two, and three and I'm sorry, guys, I
just forgot number three and you're kind of laughing off,
so we get out of here early. Yeah, and the
audioyeah right, and the audience, you know, I yeah, exactly right, exactly.
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The audience I think is forgiving of that too. I
don't know that anybody sitting in an audience expects perfection
from a speaker, unless you're unless you've paid money to
be there and it's a seminar and you're expecting some
sort of takeaway that's a value to you. But if
you're just attending an event that somebody is is hosting,
I think that you know, as the person who's up
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on stage hosting them, seeing or giving a keynote, is
far more hyper aware of what's going on in scrutinizing
than any member of the audience. And that's just something
to kind of carry with you, to let you know,
give yourself a break. It doesn't have to be perfect.
You're not going to be you know, it's everybody's not
going to go what is wrong with this guy?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
No, No, that never happens. I will leave you with
this before the Gray season. I will always remember it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
What a gift.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
It was that our youngest daughter, Phoebe said something to
me because I was saying, yeah, I'm nervous about the speech,
but I have a teleprompter, and I was like, see
you later, I love you.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You can't wait.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
She was like, just remember every something like this. I'm paraphrase,
and she said, everybody in the room wants you to succeed.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And I was like, thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
You're right, Phoebe.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
And I remember thinking that that night after it was over, like, well,
at least they wanted me to succeed. Everybody thinks everybody
thinks it was you know, right, it was good.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Right, missed any part of the show.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Get it All on the Murphy Salmon Jody Podcast.
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Jody after the Show podcast,
and Jody's about to do something. I think it's cool
because I really love this about Jody, and I'm not
saying that just because we're married. Is there are there
are events that if you're asked to host them, generally speaking,
they have a fundraising aspect to them, a nonprofit aspect.
(00:21):
There's some sort of a community benefit, you know, to
what you're doing. Right, You've done it with vet schools,
you've done it with shelters, You've done it, and now
you've got one.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
That's basically runs and races, and.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
This one is going to be one of the community
type awards recognitions for somebody who's done great things in
the community that you've been asked to host.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, I'm not that's I've not been asked to host it,
which is interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm sorry. That's right. You're the keynote speaker, you're not actually.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Speaker, So understand something. I'm trying to say yes when
I'm asked to speak at places more and more often
because of what happened at the where I did that
speech where I got messed up and I got off
track and I had to sort of improv in the
most important night of my life, and I was upset
(01:10):
with myself by the way it came out. Everybody was
fine and they it sounded fine, but it's not what
I intended.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I was upset with myself. So what do you do?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You get back on the horse. Whatever you you know,
you try again. It's I do get asked to host
things and mc things a lot, and mostly and when
I can, I say yes. But it is something I
want to improve.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
On and get better at.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You know, people assume that you're you're gonna be great
in front of a crowd because you because we do this,
you know, this show together. But it's not the same.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No, it's not because of the three of us. This
is on most days.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
This is actually an intimate setting. And I did say
this in front of a crowd recently. I'm more comfortable
with with you guys in here having these conversations and
doing this show than I am and other places in
my life. This is my comfort place. I'm very comfortable.
I'm not necessarily in front of five hundred people and
(02:08):
I'm and they're they're all staring at you, and you're
at the podium and you're there to do a job
and you bring the energy.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
And you know, not every event has keynote speaking. Every
you know, events that are looking for MC's what's interesting
to me about that over the years of doing that,
being a host, to me is more challenging, stressful, pers
about everything up front than keynote speaking, because at least
keynote speaking you know where you're going to go, what
(02:36):
your topic is. You'll go a to Z and that's that, right.
MCing requires you being on the vigilant about what's happening
across the room and adapting as you need and making
to adapt you stay on, you know, on course.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And the last thing I did hosted was I was
the MC for an event like an awards ceremony and
there were a lot of tough names that I worked
on getting correctly and I didn't get them all right,
and I apologized for it. It was lengthy. By the
end of it, I thought I needed a cough drop.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
It was a lot of ground to cover.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
You did a great job.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I did fine.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I was proud of myself afterwards, and even that they
even said we'll have you back next year because you
finished earlier than we expected.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, that's interesting. Well, you know, and you do take
you take it seriously. The it's this is difficult almost
to explain that when you when you're in an MC role,
you're also cognizant about the time factor exactly. And you know,
you've got to keep the events running so that you're
not keeping everybody there late. Very read the room, right,
(03:36):
and it's very easy to get lost in the middle
of it as things are happening to start to you know,
lose track of time. Yeah, and so for the one
that you're talking, I know that's not the one you're
about to do the keynote for, but you actually wrapped
up the one that you hosted recently in what thirty
minutes ahead of time schedule?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
How much of sit twenty or thirty minutes earlier than
they thought, right, And they.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Were like, we're going to have you back next year.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And it didn't. It did not feel rushed. Every single
you know, recipient got through time and you know, and
their photos and all of that.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
So I got to call a lady. Her name is Kathy.
She reached out to me and said, hey, can we talk.
I want to you know, I'm a part of this
organization and I want to talk to you about an
event that we have coming up, and I thought for sure.
I said, yeah, I'll call you whenever. And we kept
missing each other. And it was the other day and
I went to take a walk. I put my earbuds on.
I'm getting my exercise in. I thought, let me call Kathy.
And I called her and walking and I thought, for sure,
(04:30):
I would have bet my life on the fact that
she was going to ask me to m see it,
you know, just move things along and be the host.
And she's like, no, we have our MC we want
you to be the keynote. And I almost tripped. Now
I have spoken before at places where I'm the speaker
a long time ago, smaller groups or whatever. This is
going to be a few hundred people, it's formal, and
(04:54):
I'm the keynote. The good news is that I have
and it is it's to celebrate someone in the community.
Nominations are coming in that person hasn't.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Been picked yet, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
So I'm really excited to do it, you know. And
I even thanked her for asking me. They're very excited.
You guys are invited as well, but not to keynote.
She even said, we want to you know, a single
keynote speaker, and you know, the guys can come with you,
put them in their texes and we will have they'll
have dinner with us and whatnot. But we want you
a keynote.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
What is the Do you have a topic that you
were given?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I even said that, Do you want to give me
a topic or a direction? She said, no, we want
you to do you tell us your stories.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Tell that's what you think, that's in your wheelhouse. And
you know, I would say for you know, for anybody
that gets put in that situation, or if you've ever
doubted yourself and you're going to be speaking in an event,
it actually is easier for you to speak about something
authentically if it's something that's meaningful to you and you're
passionate about it. But you're still going to be a
(05:56):
little bit nervous when you go up there, Yes, but
it's going to feel real and the audience is going
to connect with you because you're not just trying to
read something from a script. You're not trying to create
something that's really not connected to you. And Jody, I
think that's one thing that you're really you know, you're
you're good at is making sure that when you do
these any sort of keynote type speaking that you've done
(06:18):
in the past, you choose something that comes from a
very real place that you also think has a benefit
to the.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Going to somehow find a way to connect it to
whoever is being honored, Because I will open the thing
as I understand that I'm the first one. I'll keynote
is usually first, and you set the tone. That means
you set the tone. You're like entertainment almost and so
you set the pace. And I do have a lot
of little stories, but once I find out who is
actually being honored, I'm going to find out some things
(06:44):
about them. Sure that the night, the night bridges from
me to the whoever's going to take over and host
a MC and then to that person that we're there
to celebrate.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, if you need any help with any jokes you
want to drop in, let me know.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I want to find out who the person is and
what you're kind of where you're going. Maybe we can
come up with one.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Or two you sure, Okay?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I mean I can always yell them from the crowd, Sam,
if you want.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I can't be you though, I have to be me,
so the jokes I usually make are very Jodie.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I will say this, I was really honored to be
asked to be the keynote. There was this tiny little
part of me inside my head going, don't say yes
to this because when you when when November rolls around,
I've got on until November. It's several months away. You know,
it's gonna be like, oh, I got to do this.
But I want to get better at this. You know,
you don't grow without a little discomfort, right.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I love that so much.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I want to get better at this.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I respect that so much.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well, thank you, you're invited. You're invited to Sam if
you want to come. But I'm going to I'm going
to tell you this. In the past, every other time
I've ever spoken at anything, even the last one I
hosted the awards ceremony, I read over everything. I said
the names out loud, you know, I didn't really time it,
(08:04):
but I read everything. I made sure that I knew
every word. I've never practiced, not really, I've never practiced
what I was going to speak. I'm going to practice
it because I'm not going to roll in there being
asked to do this and not practice it, they say.
You know, even if I do it in front of
the mirror front, in front of our dog champ, I'm
going to run through it one or two times first
(08:26):
and then just show.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Up and hope for the best.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Do you have a time limit?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, well, I said. When she asked me, I said,
are we talking like ten minutes? And that's what I
was hoping for. She goes, you can go twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I wanted to say, I don't know if I can
go twenty. So we'll see. It usually goes faster than
you think. You're up there for five minutes and you
think it's been one I know that's a fact from
having spoken before, but it's something I want.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
To get better at. It is a.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
People assume that it's easy if you make it look easy,
but it's not. You have to be prepared for that.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Just a case for anything. Yes, anything that you see
that's well done generally has been rehearsed on some level.
It's the same thing that we know about stand up comics.
They test their stuff out and if it bombs in
the clubs, they're not bringing it to the stage with them.
You know, I mean, you know Nate BURGATSI does the
same thing, right. I mean, you know, every stand up comment,
a comic you know does that, or you know, even
(09:23):
and there're certainly gifted speakers. I always admire somebody that
can just stand up and extemporaneously get up on the
stage and blend right in because it's a it's a
very real thing, and I do think that practice makes
you better at that over time and storytelling.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
There will be storytelling.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I will probably open with a story, but I'm also
going to try to do some of those things that
you know that you're supposed to do. Tell them what
you're going to tell them, Explain to them who you
are right away, even if it's just with a story. Yeah,
and a lot of them in the audience will already
know of me, right. You know how many times I've
spoken at places and people came up to me after
we're going as soon as you started speaking on kN
who you are? Murphy's am and Jodi, where are the guys?
(10:01):
I've heard that before.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, you know, but it's smart too, because there's always
going to be you know, a group that doesn't know
it's their first time, sure, and you're you're making sure
that you're welcoming to somebody who's not I've been there.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Got to kind of think think about speaking to everyone
so you know they're nervous.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You will do fine, you will do great. Rehearsing really
does help with the muscle memory because you begin to
get comfortable with the flow. Yeah, and uh, you know,
it's been a minute since I hosted anything solo. I
think it was like a hall of Fame ceremony for uh,
the high school that I went right and.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You did well, thank you, And we thought that we
barely got you there because your car broke down.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Remember, Oh wow, Yeah, you're right. That was crazy too,
because that was that was nerve wracking. But I had,
you know, just work through it and got to make sure,
especially when you're getting to know in that setting there
are some of these inductees that you don't know, and
so you really have to do your homework, you know,
to care and and and and make it come off right.
And you know, I'm a self you know, admitted perfectionist,
(11:04):
so I can't just have somebody hand me a script
for people that I don't know about and sincerely induct
them into a Hall of Fame without really knowing something
you know about them. You know, it's so weird about
the I had somebody ask me today, Jodie, about how
things went at the Gray Sees when you were, you know,
accepting your award as Radio Syndicated Host of the Year
(11:28):
for twenty five. Even though I know the award summary
was this year. I think it's for twenty twenty five, right,
And you know they in that particular ceremony, there are
a lot of people that want to use a teleprompter,
and and so that was required. And we've already done
a podcast in this before where you talked about, you know,
it's hard for me. Last minute you got requested for
(11:49):
the change, and then the teleprompter wasn't moving and it throws.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You off and I go off script and just do it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, And that's why where I think the muscle memory
really comes in and kicks in, you know, just by
rehearsing it until you're comfortable. I always used to stress
out because I would I would try to get everything
verbatim exactly the way I wanted it delivered every single time.
And it's funny how you can go through it twenty
(12:15):
times in your head and then it just flowed the
flow takes you in a different direction. But once I
began to ease up and just trust the process. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. It's again because even if,
even if when I was asked to do something and
I didn't know who the people were that I was inducting,
by that time I got to know them, I was
comfortable enough to be authentic. I guess again, it's when you.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Like when you met them before before you went up.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, and then talking about him, you're not quite
as nervous because again, you you're familiar versus being like
wound up in a script.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Prepare as much as you can is the is the goal.
And it's funny because you're offering jokes for me, Sam,
But do you not do people not ask you to
host things? No?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I'm surprised you would be great.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
In fact, the last thing I was asked to do
was be a part of a Christmas play at church?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Did you do it?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
I was a radio announcer, Yeah, and I had a
script to go by.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So and how did that go?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Any? Went great?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Did you throw in any side jokes?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah? We had some problems hearing each other and he
had a yeah, wild looking sweater on, and so while
we were trying to kill time ad lib between something
going wrong, I started talking about his sweater perfect.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
See, that's your gift, that's your talent. Yeah, but I'm
just I.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Can't get in front of a group of people and talk.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
That's not true. You can. You're really good.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Gall are with me and it's the burfy Sam and
Jody thing. I can do that, but I disagree on stage,
if I can't see the people out there, I can
do it, but I can't. I don't think I can
get up and give like a twenty minute speech just
on whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I see what you mean. Well, you know, over the
years together we've done things from hosting stages and stuff
like that, and I've always thought that you were I
thought that was your Wheelhoun too, it's Sam, And there've
been podcasts I think orhere you've addressed this before that
like in front of the crowd situation, you're even more comfortable.
And look, I think you've changed over the years, I think,
but there was a time where you were much more
(14:20):
comfortable in a crowd setting than just one on one. Yeah,
I think your comfort level has improved in the in
the one on one area over the years also. But
I hear what you're saying, But you've always been I
think in front of a group. You know how to
get a group excited about what's going on. You know
how to focus on them. And it's interesting it doesn't
require you to necessarily be vulnerable. I guess is that
(14:44):
you know the term.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
It's just it's like, if it's the group of us
to do it, I've already got in my head that
I'm here for comic relief.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, and you perform it.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
If there's any cherry on top of it, I'll be
able to contribute a few things that are important or takeaways.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
But I'm going in there with I'm just waiting to
throw in some punchlines.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You're waiting for us to say something that triggers your
ha ha.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yeah. Now, we recently had a little video conference go
team call with somebody who interviewed us for an hour,
and I was nervous about that, believe it or not,
because really, yeah, because it's like, what am I going
to add to this? And then as we got into it,
I got comfortable with the guy, and so.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I was able to.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Include good stuff, not just.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
That's some really good stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, I think the comfort is everything once you kind
of settle into the groove, and I think that's the
case with anybody. And again I could reasonally keep pointing
this back out is because if you're listening to this
podcast and you're faced with it, whether you're leading a
meeting in front of twelve people at work, or whether
you're going to be doing something at a group party
or whatever, it is possible to overcome. Like Jody said,
you just for one thing, you just do it. But
(15:56):
if you're prepped for it, and eventually you know the drill,
you know the people, the comfort part will kind of
inch its way in. It doesn't mean that you're not
going to have the adrenaline rush the whole time, but
you will begin to be able to roll with it.
The vibe kind of takes it over for you.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
In my experience, be prepared for it, but don't be
rigid about it. Yeah, be prepared for it and be
ready to bend and shift if you know something. If
somebody says something that takes you off course, so be it.
Welcome it. That makes sense. You don't perform as well
at anything if you're over thinking about it and you
want it to be perfect.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You get in your own way.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
If I am too prepared, I'm useless. What you just said.
If somebody throws a question, I can handle that a
lot better than I can. These are the three points
we're going to make.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
And period stick to it right because it's.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Like, I gotta remember what's number three again? What's number
three again?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Be prepared, but be flexible. Yeah, that's my plan. But
the reason this is a big deal for me even
talking about it, I'm like, I need to start jotting
out my notes and my store.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It's because.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
This is self work, because it would have been easier
for me to say no, thank you, I'm busy that
weekend something like that. But it's I want to get
better at this, and so it's a little scary jumping
off into the big pool of keynote as it always
used to be just hosts or MC, But I want
(17:24):
to get better at it.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I think that I think that you will do you
know well with that and the little things. Samy, you
just said something I think you know would be beneficial
for anybody to know that even if you have, you know,
three things that you wanted to cover. If you didn't
state that from the beginning. The audience may not know that,
and so number three goes away. It just goes away.
You know, we could we tend to get in our
(17:45):
own heads about it and be more concerned about it. Yeah,
kind of like what happened with you with Gracies, Jody,
you know. I mean, it's it's still if you want
to just focusing and don't let that distract you, and
you just move on. And I would probably say, you know,
if one, two, and three and I'm sorry, guys, I
just forgot number three and you're kind of laughing off,
so we get out of here early. Yeah, and the
audioyeah right, and the audience, you know, I yeah, exactly right, exactly.
(18:09):
The audience I think is forgiving of that too. I
don't know that anybody sitting in an audience expects perfection
from a speaker, unless you're unless you've paid money to
be there and it's a seminar and you're expecting some
sort of takeaway that's a value to you. But if
you're just attending an event that somebody is is hosting,
I think that you know, as the person who's up
(18:33):
on stage hosting them, seeing or giving a keynote, is
far more hyper aware of what's going on in scrutinizing
than any member of the audience. And that's just something
to kind of carry with you, to let you know,
give yourself a break. It doesn't have to be perfect.
You're not going to be you know, it's everybody's not
going to go what is wrong with this guy?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
No, No, that never happens. I will leave you with
this before the Gray season. I will always remember it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
What a gift.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
It was that our youngest daughter, Phoebe said something to
me because I was saying, yeah, I'm nervous about the speech,
but I have a teleprompter, and I was like, see
you later, I love you.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You can't wait.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
She was like, just remember every something like this. I'm paraphrase,
and she said, everybody in the room wants you to succeed.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And I was like, thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
You're right, Phoebe.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
And I remember thinking that that night after it was over, like, well,
at least they wanted me to succeed. Everybody thinks everybody
thinks it was you know, right, it was good.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Right, missed any part of the show.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
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