March 3, 2026 • 13 mins
Where Murphy meditates, why he does it, and for how long? #family #meditation #cozyvibes
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy Sammy Jody after the show podcast, Murphy.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
You've been really open with everybody here on the show
and about the fact that you like to meditate, and
nobody ever but me sees you do it right because
you do it at home.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yes, what does it look like?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
He's sitting straight up on the sofa in the living room.
I mean, I'm sure you've meditated in other places, but
where I normally see you do it is.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
In the living That's my spot, you know. I mean
a lot of times everybody has a spot, right, Truly,
you can meditate anywhere. That's the goal is to be
able to put yourself in that space. Yes, which the space,
by the way, is the present. That's all that is.
It's not like some magic you know, wherever I you know,
wherever I feel that, you know, the need, the need
(00:47):
to hit me. Yeah, if I need to kind of zone,
I'll do that right there.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's funny is that it's the only time I tiptoe
around you whenever I walk. Really, Sunday morning, I was
walking through the house and you know me in the morning,
I'm like a jack rabbit. I'm doing one hundred things
and you know, I walk through and you're sitting on
the sofa and you're sitting so still and your eyes
are closed, and I'm like, oh, and I stop, and
I just tiptoe the rest of the way through the room.
I don't know if you feel my presence or not.
(01:11):
Try not to mess with you, because I know if
you are in that state in the present, meditating, I
don't want to be what pulls you out of it.
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, you're supposed to pick a place where you're not
going to be, you know, disturbed. But I know that
you're there, and I can use the noise cancelation earbuds
are not as good as noise cancellation headphones, but you know.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You were talking about that this weekend and I.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Put those on, like the headphones, if I put those on,
I don't hear anything around me. So you could you
could be banging pots and pans or whatever and I
wouldn't hear anything.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I just want you will have to understand backstory. I
don't want to interrupt you in that because I know
it's important to you and marriage. You know, in marriage,
even the best marriages, the person that you live with
can drive you a little nutty. And I don't want
to be.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
She is again, you don't drive me crazy, and look,
and I control where I'm you know, doing that. If
I'm going to sit in the middle of the living
room while you're walking around, that's my responsibility that you're work.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
How long do you do it?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
It's just a ten minute, that's all it really takes.
It's you know, in the cal map, and it varies
depending on who you use. Some of them run between
eight and eight to twelve minutes along.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Sorry, if I got a maiden questions, how long does
it take you to get in the state.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well, that's if you do meditation, you understand that's not
the goal. Meditation is strictly about being in the present.
That's all it is. If you're lucky enough to get
into a state of relaxation or peace or whatever. The
reason for that is because if you're chasing some sort
of state of mind, then you're not going to get there.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Because you're spending chasing.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
That's the opposite right of being in the present. Being
in the present means letting ideas flow in and out
of your head and not creating an attachment to them
and not knowing them and the reason they call them
practice is because it takes practice to do that, and
it takes on going practice. By the way, if I miss,
you know, a week, you know, I feel it disrupt
my daily life. By the way, in addition everything else,
(03:07):
it's extremely helpful.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I think you should try it. Sam. You always seem
so curious when he talks about doing it, and you
already think you can't. I know the.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Reason is, I mean, I know you, I guess me.
I'm waiting for the trick or the keyword, like, oh, well,
that's because you have to And I go, oh, okay,
that's what I've been missing.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Well there may be something like that meaning what was
So you've tried it before and it hasn't worked. Is
that what you mean?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, I cannot stop my head from racing.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Right, And that's why you have to practice at it,
you know. I see this is it's the trick with
anything in life, and it's it's not trite because it's
very true. The reason they say practice is anything you
don't No one accomplishes anything without repeatedly doing it, even
when they don't want to do it. It's true with
working out, it's true with dieting, it's true with meditation.
(03:51):
It's true with anything true work, and you would be
surprised once you put one foot forward and don't think
about it, because that's the that's the problem. That's the
entire point of meditation. And I'm not an expert at it,
by the way, by any stretch of the imagination. But
the point is going to the present and letting the
ideas come and go. If your goal is you don't
want ideas pop into your head and thoughts, then you're
(04:13):
not going to succeed at it to stop them, right exactly.
And so because you don't stop thoughts, you let them appear,
you acknowledge them, and then you let them go. Because
it's based on the concept that it's it's based on
the laws of impermanence. Basically, nothing lasts forever. Nothing in
this life. We don't live forever. Relationships can or you know, can't.
(04:36):
Problems don't necessarily have to last. Almost everything doesn't last forever.
Our pets unfortunately, you know what I'm saying. So everything,
including thoughts pass. You just have to be able to
be willing to start to train yourself. And if you're
thinking too hard about it, you're not in the present.
You're in the future, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And it's question question, and so that's what's But it's
taken me.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I mean, it's it's years now and I'm going to
nowhere near it. But of course you will never achieve it.
You're never there. That's why they call it practice. Even
those who teach it still practice it. And they'll tell
you too their days. They don't want anything to do
with it. It's not it doesn't happen, but you just
the act of doing it is what helps you through
the rest of the day that when things hit you,
they don't they don't they don't impact you as much
(05:23):
because you don't take ownership of them emotional owners.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Do you Can you just do it like, hey, I'm
going to do it now, or do you have to
use or does it help to use like the com
app to get there?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I mean, I like a guided meditation. I can do
it without it, though, I mean it's it's the Sometimes
I like sounds to help me kind of you know,
transport or whatever you can, it's whatever. It's a very
personalized experience. For some people. It's a place that you sit.
Some people actually do the sit on the cushion thing
on the floor. It's whatever makes you feel grounded. There's
(05:54):
no hard and fast rule for for any of it,
you know, And so the app to me is a
helpful tool, and it's kind of an accountability thing, to
be honest with you. It reminds me when it feels
inconvenient to actually stop and be in the present to
do it well.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
The reason I bring it up and I love that
you said anywhere that you're comfortable, whether that is you know,
we have this image in our minds of people sitting
in a room together, you know, legs crossfolded, or you
in a corner on a pillow with your hands like this,
going home, whatever, whatever you know works for you. But
(06:32):
when it comes to space and where people feel comfortable,
there are two types of people. People who want wide
open spaces, who do not like to be confined, like
Murphy Murphy having trouble with claustrophobia. And there are people
who love to be confined, who like milks and crannies
and things like that. I love a nook, I love those,
(06:54):
I love feeling secure. I've told you I could get
in a dog crate and understand that I have the
din mentality. So we differ there and what's funny dog crate?
I know I'm just saying a little too far.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
At least I don't know what she's doing the next
time with in there.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Well, look, we had a huge dog crate open at
all times. One time for well for Edie and I
would get in there and clean it. I would get
down on my hands and knees and clean that crate
every once in a while because you have to. And
one time I just was at the back of it
and I just sat in there, going I get it,
man clean. Now that it's clean, I'm comfy now. The
dogs were looking at me like, what is she doing
(07:29):
in there? Get out? It's my place. The reason I
bring it up is because they're doing something. In Japan.
There's a business. There's a funeral home business, a memorial
service business that's allowing people to come in and meditate
in caskets, oh really open caskets, and there the space
(07:51):
cell is renting. People are going in. If you're claustrophobic,
this does not work for you, and for too many
people it's too morbid to think of. But in this culture, apparently,
you know, it's a They embrace the fragileness of life.
And they embrace the beauty of death. And so a
lot of people are going in and meditating in coffins.
It's a strange trend. But I thought when I read
(08:13):
that story, I thought Murphy could never.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I don't have, but I get it. If that's again,
there's no wrong way to do it, because whatever puts
you in the present is the right thing for you
to do. But I mean, does anything define impermanence better
than that? I mean, if that's if that's the whole thing,
if you're lying in a casket, and that's what helps
them to see that this world's not permanent. So that
you know, the the amount of stress and angst and
(08:39):
things that we you know, the world's biggest illusion is
the things that we think we can control. That is
the largest I mean, obviously there are some things, so
maybe I should say that, you know, the thing is
really differentiating the things that you can and can't control.
And so many of us tend to we get lost
in the things we can't control. It is a huge
energy burner. It is a huge distraction from what's really important.
(09:04):
It can keep you from focusing, you know, on your goals,
and it can actually refocus you on the wrong things.
It can put you on a path that's just it
doesn't pay off. And so it's taken me a long
time to get to a place where I understand, you know,
the benefits of all of it, because, like you were saying, Sam,
I mean, I think in the beginning, I thought that
the whole you know, put your fingers in a circle
(09:24):
and sit with your elbows on your you know, knees,
which again, if some people do that, that's great, but
that's not really what you know, meditation is. I think
in today's world, I think honestly, along with therapy and
other things. In today's world where we've got too many
things going on, it's probably more important now than ever
because my brain is the king of bouncing from thing
(09:46):
to thing to thing to thing, and I'm wired to,
you know, to do I'm not I need to cause
myself to be you know, in the present because probably
until on the day I die, I'll be I'll have
a goal to be doing something. I don't sit still.
It's not me, I mean, I just I'm not wired
that way. I'm always looking for, you know, the next
(10:07):
thing that will help me grow and be a better
person or you know, whatever, and so I need that
offset of the be in the you know, be in
the present.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I would like to tell that story about Murphy. It's
a true story. I've told it before. When we were
first getting to know each other, we were dating. It
was a Sunday afternoon and I came to visit you
and you were in your office at your house and
you were sitting at the desk and I walked in.
It's Sunday afternoon, it was a beautiful day, and I thought,
let's go do something. Let's go ride, let's go. And
I'm like, hey, let's you know I'm here, Let's go.
(10:38):
And You're like, I need a plan. Wait, you weren't.
You were not ready to you were gonna. You had
blocked off some time to plan, and where can I thought, oh, okay,
this makes sense. This is who he is. He is
success based driven and in free time. He uses his
free time a lot of it. He carves out time
to goal set and do the steps that would reach
(11:00):
the goal, which is also lovely just in balance.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yes, correct.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But this whole thing about the coffin, I mean I
could lay it wide down in a coffin as long
as you don't close it. But you know, see.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
That's the thing with me. I would love laying down.
I would be okay with it because they probably have
that music that they have in funeral homes, playing that
light stuff. But my paranoia would kick in. I'd have
to keep an arm up. It'say while I'm doing this,
it don't close it on me.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
And you know, there's no wrong or right way to
see this. That those who have den in stincs and
like being contained are not wrong, and those who need
wide open spaces to feel comfortable are not wrong. It
is about how you feel comfortable. If you grew up
in a home that and this is an example, this
is a psychological example. If you grew up in a
(11:46):
home that was wide open, open floor plan and you
didn't feel safe, and you slept by a big open
window and you imagine monsters coming in, you probably would
love a den or a nook to feel more secure.
When I was in second grade, third I'm sorry, third grade,
I had the greatest teacher in the greatest classroom. I'll
(12:06):
never forget it. And on Tuesday mornings we had reading
time where we could go to the reading area and
there was a nook in there and that was the
most coveted spot, and I would run to that nook
so I could get in the nook with my book
just for a few doctor. I know, and I didn't
know it then. I didn't realize that that was a
(12:27):
thing for me. That there are kids who would have
never wanted to be in there because it felt too confining.
Neither is wrong. It's knowing where.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You are comfortable right exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
And trying to create. And that's why they say nooks
and crannies are very popular in the home. If you
have a big, open plan, open floor space in your home,
the idea is to find a place that you can
sort of escape, get comfortable in while not leaving your home.
And that's why little nooks and that's why little knooks
are popular.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And in smaller homes where you don't have the benefit
of the extra room to be able to do it
or go into same thing where you have people creating,
you know, that just their own little you know, escape area.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Kids love it. Kids usually love a box. They love
to get at the top, they love to get at
the top of a of a bunk bed and create
a little world there. That's them creating their own little
safe world. So it's beautiful. I just thought i'd tell
you about that. Can continue to meditate on this seat.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I think I'll find a different space in a coffin.
I'm good with that. Missed any part of the show.
Get it all on the Murphy Salmon Jody podcast.
Welcome to the Murphy Sammy Jody after the show podcast, Murphy.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
You've been really open with everybody here on the show
and about the fact that you like to meditate, and
nobody ever but me sees you do it right because
you do it at home.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yes, what does it look like?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
He's sitting straight up on the sofa in the living room.
I mean, I'm sure you've meditated in other places, but
where I normally see you do it is.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
In the living That's my spot, you know. I mean
a lot of times everybody has a spot, right, Truly,
you can meditate anywhere. That's the goal is to be
able to put yourself in that space. Yes, which the space,
by the way, is the present. That's all that is.
It's not like some magic you know, wherever I you know,
wherever I feel that, you know, the need, the need
(00:47):
to hit me. Yeah, if I need to kind of zone,
I'll do that right there.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's funny is that it's the only time I tiptoe
around you whenever I walk. Really, Sunday morning, I was
walking through the house and you know me in the morning,
I'm like a jack rabbit. I'm doing one hundred things
and you know, I walk through and you're sitting on
the sofa and you're sitting so still and your eyes
are closed, and I'm like, oh, and I stop, and
I just tiptoe the rest of the way through the room.
I don't know if you feel my presence or not.
(01:11):
Try not to mess with you, because I know if
you are in that state in the present, meditating, I
don't want to be what pulls you out of it.
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, you're supposed to pick a place where you're not
going to be, you know, disturbed. But I know that
you're there, and I can use the noise cancelation earbuds
are not as good as noise cancellation headphones, but you know.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You were talking about that this weekend and I.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Put those on, like the headphones, if I put those on,
I don't hear anything around me. So you could you
could be banging pots and pans or whatever and I
wouldn't hear anything.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I just want you will have to understand backstory. I
don't want to interrupt you in that because I know
it's important to you and marriage. You know, in marriage,
even the best marriages, the person that you live with
can drive you a little nutty. And I don't want
to be.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
She is again, you don't drive me crazy, and look,
and I control where I'm you know, doing that. If
I'm going to sit in the middle of the living
room while you're walking around, that's my responsibility that you're work.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
How long do you do it?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
It's just a ten minute, that's all it really takes.
It's you know, in the cal map, and it varies
depending on who you use. Some of them run between
eight and eight to twelve minutes along.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Sorry, if I got a maiden questions, how long does
it take you to get in the state.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well, that's if you do meditation, you understand that's not
the goal. Meditation is strictly about being in the present.
That's all it is. If you're lucky enough to get
into a state of relaxation or peace or whatever. The
reason for that is because if you're chasing some sort
of state of mind, then you're not going to get there.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Because you're spending chasing.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
That's the opposite right of being in the present. Being
in the present means letting ideas flow in and out
of your head and not creating an attachment to them
and not knowing them and the reason they call them
practice is because it takes practice to do that, and
it takes on going practice. By the way, if I miss,
you know, a week, you know, I feel it disrupt
my daily life. By the way, in addition everything else,
(03:07):
it's extremely helpful.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I think you should try it. Sam. You always seem
so curious when he talks about doing it, and you
already think you can't. I know the.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Reason is, I mean, I know you, I guess me.
I'm waiting for the trick or the keyword, like, oh, well,
that's because you have to And I go, oh, okay,
that's what I've been missing.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Well there may be something like that meaning what was
So you've tried it before and it hasn't worked. Is
that what you mean?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, I cannot stop my head from racing.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Right, And that's why you have to practice at it,
you know. I see this is it's the trick with
anything in life, and it's it's not trite because it's
very true. The reason they say practice is anything you
don't No one accomplishes anything without repeatedly doing it, even
when they don't want to do it. It's true with
working out, it's true with dieting, it's true with meditation.
(03:51):
It's true with anything true work, and you would be
surprised once you put one foot forward and don't think
about it, because that's the that's the problem. That's the
entire point of meditation. And I'm not an expert at it,
by the way, by any stretch of the imagination. But
the point is going to the present and letting the
ideas come and go. If your goal is you don't
want ideas pop into your head and thoughts, then you're
(04:13):
not going to succeed at it to stop them, right exactly.
And so because you don't stop thoughts, you let them appear,
you acknowledge them, and then you let them go. Because
it's based on the concept that it's it's based on
the laws of impermanence. Basically, nothing lasts forever. Nothing in
this life. We don't live forever. Relationships can or you know, can't.
(04:36):
Problems don't necessarily have to last. Almost everything doesn't last forever.
Our pets unfortunately, you know what I'm saying. So everything,
including thoughts pass. You just have to be able to
be willing to start to train yourself. And if you're
thinking too hard about it, you're not in the present.
You're in the future, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And it's question question, and so that's what's But it's
taken me.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I mean, it's it's years now and I'm going to
nowhere near it. But of course you will never achieve it.
You're never there. That's why they call it practice. Even
those who teach it still practice it. And they'll tell
you too their days. They don't want anything to do
with it. It's not it doesn't happen, but you just
the act of doing it is what helps you through
the rest of the day that when things hit you,
they don't they don't they don't impact you as much
(05:23):
because you don't take ownership of them emotional owners.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Do you Can you just do it like, hey, I'm
going to do it now, or do you have to
use or does it help to use like the com
app to get there?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I mean, I like a guided meditation. I can do
it without it, though, I mean it's it's the Sometimes
I like sounds to help me kind of you know,
transport or whatever you can, it's whatever. It's a very
personalized experience. For some people. It's a place that you sit.
Some people actually do the sit on the cushion thing
on the floor. It's whatever makes you feel grounded. There's
(05:54):
no hard and fast rule for for any of it,
you know, And so the app to me is a
helpful tool, and it's kind of an accountability thing, to
be honest with you. It reminds me when it feels
inconvenient to actually stop and be in the present to
do it well.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
The reason I bring it up and I love that
you said anywhere that you're comfortable, whether that is you know,
we have this image in our minds of people sitting
in a room together, you know, legs crossfolded, or you
in a corner on a pillow with your hands like this,
going home, whatever, whatever you know works for you. But
(06:32):
when it comes to space and where people feel comfortable,
there are two types of people. People who want wide
open spaces, who do not like to be confined, like
Murphy Murphy having trouble with claustrophobia. And there are people
who love to be confined, who like milks and crannies
and things like that. I love a nook, I love those,
(06:54):
I love feeling secure. I've told you I could get
in a dog crate and understand that I have the
din mentality. So we differ there and what's funny dog crate?
I know I'm just saying a little too far.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
At least I don't know what she's doing the next
time with in there.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Well, look, we had a huge dog crate open at
all times. One time for well for Edie and I
would get in there and clean it. I would get
down on my hands and knees and clean that crate
every once in a while because you have to. And
one time I just was at the back of it
and I just sat in there, going I get it,
man clean. Now that it's clean, I'm comfy now. The
dogs were looking at me like, what is she doing
(07:29):
in there? Get out? It's my place. The reason I
bring it up is because they're doing something. In Japan.
There's a business. There's a funeral home business, a memorial
service business that's allowing people to come in and meditate
in caskets, oh really open caskets, and there the space
(07:51):
cell is renting. People are going in. If you're claustrophobic,
this does not work for you, and for too many
people it's too morbid to think of. But in this culture, apparently,
you know, it's a They embrace the fragileness of life.
And they embrace the beauty of death. And so a
lot of people are going in and meditating in coffins.
It's a strange trend. But I thought when I read
(08:13):
that story, I thought Murphy could never.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I don't have, but I get it. If that's again,
there's no wrong way to do it, because whatever puts
you in the present is the right thing for you
to do. But I mean, does anything define impermanence better
than that? I mean, if that's if that's the whole thing,
if you're lying in a casket, and that's what helps
them to see that this world's not permanent. So that
you know, the the amount of stress and angst and
(08:39):
things that we you know, the world's biggest illusion is
the things that we think we can control. That is
the largest I mean, obviously there are some things, so
maybe I should say that, you know, the thing is
really differentiating the things that you can and can't control.
And so many of us tend to we get lost
in the things we can't control. It is a huge
energy burner. It is a huge distraction from what's really important.
(09:04):
It can keep you from focusing, you know, on your goals,
and it can actually refocus you on the wrong things.
It can put you on a path that's just it
doesn't pay off. And so it's taken me a long
time to get to a place where I understand, you know,
the benefits of all of it, because, like you were saying, Sam,
I mean, I think in the beginning, I thought that
the whole you know, put your fingers in a circle
(09:24):
and sit with your elbows on your you know, knees,
which again, if some people do that, that's great, but
that's not really what you know, meditation is. I think
in today's world, I think honestly, along with therapy and
other things. In today's world where we've got too many
things going on, it's probably more important now than ever
because my brain is the king of bouncing from thing
(09:46):
to thing to thing to thing, and I'm wired to,
you know, to do I'm not I need to cause
myself to be you know, in the present because probably
until on the day I die, I'll be I'll have
a goal to be doing something. I don't sit still.
It's not me, I mean, I just I'm not wired
that way. I'm always looking for, you know, the next
(10:07):
thing that will help me grow and be a better
person or you know, whatever, and so I need that
offset of the be in the you know, be in
the present.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I would like to tell that story about Murphy. It's
a true story. I've told it before. When we were
first getting to know each other, we were dating. It
was a Sunday afternoon and I came to visit you
and you were in your office at your house and
you were sitting at the desk and I walked in.
It's Sunday afternoon, it was a beautiful day, and I thought,
let's go do something. Let's go ride, let's go. And
I'm like, hey, let's you know I'm here, Let's go.
(10:38):
And You're like, I need a plan. Wait, you weren't.
You were not ready to you were gonna. You had
blocked off some time to plan, and where can I thought, oh, okay,
this makes sense. This is who he is. He is
success based driven and in free time. He uses his
free time a lot of it. He carves out time
to goal set and do the steps that would reach
(11:00):
the goal, which is also lovely just in balance.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yes, correct.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But this whole thing about the coffin, I mean I
could lay it wide down in a coffin as long
as you don't close it. But you know, see.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
That's the thing with me. I would love laying down.
I would be okay with it because they probably have
that music that they have in funeral homes, playing that
light stuff. But my paranoia would kick in. I'd have
to keep an arm up. It'say while I'm doing this,
it don't close it on me.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
And you know, there's no wrong or right way to
see this. That those who have den in stincs and
like being contained are not wrong, and those who need
wide open spaces to feel comfortable are not wrong. It
is about how you feel comfortable. If you grew up
in a home that and this is an example, this
is a psychological example. If you grew up in a
(11:46):
home that was wide open, open floor plan and you
didn't feel safe, and you slept by a big open
window and you imagine monsters coming in, you probably would
love a den or a nook to feel more secure.
When I was in second grade, third I'm sorry, third grade,
I had the greatest teacher in the greatest classroom. I'll
(12:06):
never forget it. And on Tuesday mornings we had reading
time where we could go to the reading area and
there was a nook in there and that was the
most coveted spot, and I would run to that nook
so I could get in the nook with my book
just for a few doctor. I know, and I didn't
know it then. I didn't realize that that was a
(12:27):
thing for me. That there are kids who would have
never wanted to be in there because it felt too confining.
Neither is wrong. It's knowing where.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You are comfortable right exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
And trying to create. And that's why they say nooks
and crannies are very popular in the home. If you
have a big, open plan, open floor space in your home,
the idea is to find a place that you can
sort of escape, get comfortable in while not leaving your home.
And that's why little nooks and that's why little knooks
are popular.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And in smaller homes where you don't have the benefit
of the extra room to be able to do it
or go into same thing where you have people creating,
you know, that just their own little you know, escape area.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Kids love it. Kids usually love a box. They love
to get at the top, they love to get at
the top of a of a bunk bed and create
a little world there. That's them creating their own little
safe world. So it's beautiful. I just thought i'd tell
you about that. Can continue to meditate on this seat.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I think I'll find a different space in a coffin.
I'm good with that. Missed any part of the show.
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