138 - Live at the Red Rock Ballroom in Las Vegas

Karen and Georgia cover the murder of Gerard Soules and the death of Ted Binion.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:22):
What's up last day?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yes? Yes, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yes? Kay?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Shit?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Oh my god, when was the last time this conference
room had this many screaming people in it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Last night, I'm much louder than Georgia. Much louder am I?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yes? Okay? What? Yes?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I thought I thought I was way.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Louder than I just thought. You've been in life? Are
you louder than No, that's a yes. Okay.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
I was gonna to say it was super loud in
here last night. They were selling time shares and it
was fucking nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
It was like they were the good ones.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
We bought them, Yeah, a couple of them. We bought
a couple timeshares. Good you guys, how's it going? This
is so exciting. This is our first show of twenty
eighteen four and nothing will live up to it.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
The screaming was incredible, and it's and it's in a
fully carpeted conference so it's more of an accomplishment what
you guys are doing making sound come out of basically
a large one of those like big cat apartment buildings.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, but for people.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Those people in the hallway are so confused and so
what's going on? In here. They're like, is this a
Mormon thing? What's happening.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
You guys? This is the best buff It's a dollar
ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's all waffles.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I think someone told the Red Rock Casino that Beyonce
was coming because we accidently got the It's not even
a hotel room. It's the nice I've never in my life.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
I think we own this casino now.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
The rooms that we're in. What the fuck, Karen?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
We're walking down the hallway, we check in first, yeah,
and then Karen is the first one to go to
her room, and we keep vincent her walking still, and
then she picks her head out and goes, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (02:37):
I thought it was mirrors when I look, I swear
to God, I like looked and I'm like, cute mirrors.
And then I was like, oh my god, it's a
whole room. It's like marble mirrors, be like an Egyptian
pharaoh's dream come true.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's nuts.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
So can we talk about the important thing?

Speaker 2 (02:59):
The path rooms. Let me tell you about Oh the bathrooms.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yes, one, it's one suite, two bedrooms, four bathrooms, four bathrooms,
two bathrooms.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Per heated toilet seats and.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Hot hot toilet seats hot ones.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yes, I am easily impressed.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Well, and I mean, I'm telling you America needs to
catch up on bidets.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah yeah, sorry, Hold on.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
The girls in the front rod are all saying hi,
you're like fucking five minutes late and screaming high to
each other, not to us. It's like, what the fuck
is happening anyhow? Beidays, you guys are insane?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
What the fuck? And then uh, it's like.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
A robot washing your ass?

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Okay? And then so I call I spacetime with my
seven year old nephew to be like he'll be interested
in this because he thinks I'm boring, maybe he'll think
I'm cool. And so I showed him around the place
and all the incredible things and oh and that the
toilet when you walk up to it, it opens on
its own. Yeah. Like, this is like a fucking robot.
This is so cool.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
I actually pulled it open and it shut it sad.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
It scared the shit out of me.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
I was like, the toilet won't let me have it.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's like when you try to pump your own gas
in certain places and you get like fined for it. Yeah, Like,
but I want to take care of myself like I
always have.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oregon says, no, no, can't do it.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
My nephew said, that's nice, look at my house. And
then he showed me the Minecraft game he was playing.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Hah. He could not have given less of shit, that
little asshole. Yeah, well I showed my sister. I sent
her a bunch of pictures because that's her favorite thing.
She likes it when we're in one normal hotel room
with a nice bed and maybe a chair, a plant
or something that's.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Exciting enough for her.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
And I just took this like five minute video where
I was like, in your face, you'll never see art
like this again. A pool table, you stupid shit. It
got really violent but fun. But then I then they
the doorbell rings and it's the butler. I'm not joking. Wait,

(05:25):
what are you guys? Mad? You don't get a butler.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
I got a butler.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
His name is John, and he'll bring me anything I want. Yeah,
and he's here tonight.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Get up here, you motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
No. No, he's working for all the other high rollers
and in better gamblers that are in this building right now.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I don't think he works for the hotel. I think
you just answered the door, tos, I didn't get a butler.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
That's so sexy. If you're going to try to creep
into my room, please pretend to be a butler. It
will work.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Is he in your room right now?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Is he waiting?

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:07):
He just sits there.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Now can we go with security?

Speaker 3 (06:11):
He basically showed me how to turn on the TV's
Uh yeah, dude, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Someone's getting fired and it's Vince for not fucking getting the.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Butler to come. And then here's Vince on the phone.
I'm telling you this can't If they both don't get butlers,
they will cancel the show.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
A podcast, A live podcast. I know you've never heard
of it.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Listen, people like it.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Wow podcast divas, that's see we are? Uh I oh
oh god, I forgot. There's giant pictures of us what
on the side there?

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Look?

Speaker 1 (06:51):
No, that's a bumber.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Huh No?

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Can I tell you the special guests?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
And I is the biggest it I've ever had of
my fucking life.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
What's your hometaiw Murder.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I'm gonna hold the mic right here the entire night.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
That's how you do it.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
If you if there was a close up, it would
look like Eileen wornos and that creepy photo, like, that's
my fucking ziit. What's your problem? What do you have
going on?

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Are you the house photographer or use someone's mom.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
She's just cute, she's just a sweet person.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
That could have been a camera knife. Of course, the
late people did nothing to help us.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Tell them about your foot.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Oh I sprained my ankle. Everybody, oh regular people like
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
That made me sick to my stomach. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
I want to I just you know what, I'm not
wearing a brace normally I have like a little bit
of a but you know, just from CVS embrace, and
I kind of just walk like I'm considering things, you know,
just kind of like mm, yeah, I see, I see,
I saw when you got here.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's actually perfect for me because like this week in
therapy we talked about me calming down with my impatience
and need to go everywhere all the time immediately and
freak the fuck out over everything, including in the airport,
especially in the airport, so like I have to slow
down otherwise I'm an asshole. Just like I'm like speed
walking away.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
I'm back there, go ahead, that's fine, it's fine. Oh,
get my butler to pick me up.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
A big deal, No big deal. Oh she got me
on that one. Uh Steven's not here. Oh yeah, Sorry,
you don't even really like him that much. S't fucking
make it up?

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Now?

Speaker 1 (08:51):
That sound I like, I can't explain it.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Uh, he can't calm on the road all the time.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, he has my cats to watch.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yes, he has like seventeen jobs and he I mean,
do you know how many emails you people send him?

Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's crazy, It's crazy, you.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Know what I were looking wondering. Do you think he
like when he goes to my house when we're gone,
puts his mustache on every single thing, like touches the
remote control of his mustache, touches all the door knobs
with his mustache. Just feel like, if my mustache is here.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Just to peek inside George's mind. It sounds like what
you need to do is set up a mustache nanny
cam and catch that motherfucker in the act.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I think you're right. I mean, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
His DNA is all over my house, then that's right,
mustache DNA.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
What if it's fake mustache?

Speaker 3 (09:42):
I know it's a safe mustache. He's doing it for
attention him in that mustache. Now I have to stand
like a horse because I have a sprained ankle.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Did anyone else notice this?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Oh it looks I'm a little clydes Daily anyway, So
time with it.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Don't look at these screens. Okay, just look over here,
pretend those don't exists.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
I lived through the nineties.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Look at me.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
I lived. I lived.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
I lived.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Well, this is my favorite murder of the podcast. Oh yeah,
that's Karen Kilgareth Hi, And that's your friend Georgia Hartstark
right there. He and I have pockets. Oh my god,

(10:38):
welcome a Yes, yes, yes, yes, This really sweet girl
who makes dresses in La name April, just keeps fucking
giving me yes. She's smart. Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
That's that's how you do business in La.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
You just put the thing in the person's hand and
then you're like, put this on sometimes. Oh thank you. Yes,
mine's from Target, thank you, twenty nine ninety nine. And
if any dress in the world should have pockets, it's

(11:15):
this one because it's practically a jumper. It's very childlike,
and it has the seventies you know, rink zip poll.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Well, that goes all the way to your belly button.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
You know, I can do what I want right now.
We could go a total after hours club style in here.
I feel like, right, Vegas, you're up for that all
the time, all the time.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Then it starts raining from the ceiling.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
What the oh Vegas doesn't have rules? Right, No, that's
the whole thing. Yeah, no rules. When was the last
time you were here? You were here when you saw
Magic Mike? Oh yeah, girl.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
I won't talk about the other casino that shows that,
but oh man, if you get a chance to watch it,
it's the most mantic strip show we will ever see,
so much talent.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
But if we had told Steve and he could come,
but he had to learn magic my like core coreic
graft thing.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
And then he just went like this for half an
hour with.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
His hat like no, we love him, we love him.
My cats tolerate him. I swear there's a he put
like a what are they called? What do the kids
call them? Insta story?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
It's story for sure, him.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yelling Elvis, Elvis, Elvis at my cat. Well, I swear
to god, my cat Elvis is just like walking by
him like disdain in a cat's walk.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Have you ever seen that? It's magical. Fuck you dad. Oh,
I would like to quickly apologize for my hair. What's
happening can't be explained except for that. I think you
guys had a weather system come in while I was
trying to straighten it nice, and then other things started happening,

(13:03):
and it was just like it just kept kind of
like getting going out. It was like a Tesla coil situe.
The ecstasy just hit and he was like, I'm gonna
say this in a normal voice. It won't be that
loud at all. It won't be jarring at all. It'll

(13:26):
be smooth and cool. It's what she wants to hear
while she's talking. Thank you, Thank you for your compliment.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
This is a true crime, comedy and hair tutorial podcast.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
It doesn't look great. It looks like the first time
I used a curling iron when I was thirteen and
my sister wouldn't show me how to use it, so
I kept turning at the wrong direction and it would
do like the kink and then fall and I kept
but see, I brought a travel straightener. Oh no, so

(14:08):
the actual like ironing, Like the face of the straightening
iron is the size of like a coffee stir so
I'm like trying to and I'm like, just bending my
hair to the left and right is what I did.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I just like went in. No, it's gonna get good.
I went in.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Anyway when I opened the door George and went hi.
And that's when you know you have bad hair. Is
when your friends greet you in a way that they
never have before. I'm so glad to see your hair.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I have.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
I have no comment. No, I love it.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
It is not what I want.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's good. It's very like you look like Sigourney Weaver
and Ghostbusters.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, but like in the zool part, Yeah, which is
the good part. Yeah, not when she was some dumb
working lady boring.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
No, there is no Karen only before I'm the gatekeeper,
but the ke I got it. Before we sit down,
yes and tell you about murder. We have a photo
to show you, guys.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Oh yeah, there's something exciting that happened today. You may
have seen it on your TVs, but we had Stephen
put together.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Can you put that first picture?

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Look?

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Oh are you? Yes?

Speaker 1 (15:32):
You truly are the.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Did you see? Did you see what happened today? You guys?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
It's all about us and always insane, you know.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
The best.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
I mean Stephen. Stephen pulled pictures where people were holding
up size of ship, we said, which is very self serving,
but there were tons of amazing ones.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
My favorite is just this lady that was holding a
sign that said TikTok motherfuckert one. I'll take a moment
to say, and I think this is important to be
clarified that there is a world of difference between masculinity
and toxic masculinity. And I don't want you know, when

(16:29):
people see that sign. I had an a friend of
mine who let me know that he was very upset
about what toxic masculinity and he was kind of going
on about it. Oh, how accused he felt and all that,
and I was like, you do realize I was I
used that to describe John Wayne Gacy's dad, right, it

(16:52):
was a very specific reference.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
You're not talking about fucking comedians or a graphic artist
during the day, whatever he was. You're talking about Sean
Wayn Casey's head.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yes, exactly. This isn't just like someone who's rude to
you in the cafe. He made a serial killer with
his fucking hands and beer.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
But we're really stoked.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
We couldn't be marching today because we had a fly here,
which is awesome. But so it was really cool to
see all that and yeah, yes, lad, it was very exciting.
Should we sit down and talk about murder?

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Do you want to?

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I'd love to.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Look at these vegas nice horrible things have happened on
this Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
You can't see the stains. I can see. Oh no,
stop us.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Well after tonight, they're gonna burn them after we get through.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Is this you?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yes, yeah, that's mine?

Speaker 1 (17:52):
These are yours? H this is Oh do.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
You want to put a piece of taped in the
center of the table.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
This is fine fucking thing away from it.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Outside, someone really sweet girl saw us on the plane
when we were reporting, and she goes, oh, you guys
travel together. What if we fucking hated each other? We
don't travel together.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Right as we come around the corner, I'm like, well,
you can just shut your fucking hi, sisterhood.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
She made me walk three paces like three people ahead
of her wouldn't speak to me.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
When we arrived at the hotel, there was somebody that
was going to come to this show that was also outside.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
She was there on the plane, same girl, same girl,
double DUFs got weird.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Sorry, yeah, oh, you were talking with the phone because
I just wanted to explain to her.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
I would have said hi, but I was on the
horn like a Hollywood big shot, except for I was
talking to my neighbor. You can't yell at me. Why
didn't you learn from this man? I mean her right.
I know my dog George, when I leave my house,

(19:11):
when I take my suitcase with me, she knows I'm
leaving for several days, and that's when she decides to
climb the fence like she's in a tough mutter competition.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
My side fence is eight feet tall. She's a fucking
what elabora. She's a lab hound. She's like a combo.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
So she's not like a little dog climia the fence.
She's like fucking arm over arms. She had a big
backpack on. Yeah, threw that over the fence. Threw her
skateboard over the fence. Fucking jump the fence.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Cara beeners.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, I'm out of here.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
But the reason I knew because I rebuilt this is
kind of interesting. I rebuilt the other fence on the
other side of my house because I thought she was
getting out of that fence, had the whole thing rebuilt.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Turns out she's.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Going on out the other fence that's eight feet tall.
And I was like, there's no way it's this fence.
And my neighbor, Rick, thank god, is a contractor and
he and I. I was like, do I need to
fix this fence or that fence? He goes, it's got
to be the other fence. Well, then he's standing in
his driveway and he sees George come up over the fence,
flip herself into the hedge, roll down, lock away. He

(20:21):
witnessed it himself. He witnessed it.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
So then I couldn't do that. He couldn't either.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
I didn't lock down of my house.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
I just leave. I can't. I can't get in. No.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
And that's like an extra what three inches or three
feet for us, yes, right, yeah, we're much.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Taller than her. But so when Rick saw her do that,
he came over and he goes, I've got a thing.
I'm going I'll fix it for you don't have to
rebuild a second fence. So he came over and leaned
this piece of taller fence, but it was like from
a work site or whatever. He leaned it up and
then he put some on it. Well, today, while I
was on the phone, it was my other neighbor.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
She got out again.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
She fucking double climbed like she's trying to get into
the fucking FBI.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
She double climbed and got amazing, amazing. She's supposed to
be a service dog.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
She's either that or my dog sitter is beating her
with a chain while I'm gone.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I feel so it's funny.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
She would never do that's she likes dogs more than people.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I feel bad for Frank, her other dog, who's left behind,
because she's like tiny. She's just like, well fuck yep.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Frank couldn't get over anything because his legs are this tall.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
But though he was like scrabbling after trying to be
like I'll come next, George's like, come on after me,
and he's like I got it, Like no, can you open.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
The side gape?

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Oh wait, sorry, I just had a recovered memory. It's
one of my favorite things I've ever witnessed. I was
at a party in San Francisco in the nineties, represent
and it.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Was this big, weird house party.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
We didn't know the people whose house it was, so
we were just like in the backyard.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Crazy. No, okay, I just thoughts through your eyes.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I was looking to think. I was just wondering how
close up that fucking camera was it. I'm trying to
look past her head to be like, how horrible. Just
I'm like Charlie Brown's teacher. Right now, you're just not
hearing a ward.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
I'm saying, so no, No, We're standing in the backyard
of this huge Victorian house, this huge house party with
kegs everywhere right, and we're standing right next to the
fence and it's this is like a twelve foot fence,
wooden fence. And at one point like we're all just
standing around like this is the weird party. We don't

(22:51):
know anyone should we leave? And then someone runs out
onto the back porch and goes the cops are here,
and a bunch of people like run and these two
girls that were standing right next to us like throw
their drinks and jump and fucking like throw themselves up
over this fence like they jump, they grab it, they
pull themselves and they scribble scrabble with their legs and

(23:14):
their feet and they push themselves over. You hear one
land like sidewalk on the other side. You're here the
other one land and then this dude, of course classically
walks up. Oh no, baked out of his mind and
he walks up and.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
There's a fucking latch he just opens. Oh classic. That
guy is still talking about that story.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
That was his like.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Best moment of his life, which is fair.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
If you're that guy and you can hear me right now,
please call me. I would love to laugh about that again.
I I've told people that story so many times. People
are always like, oh, that's nice, and I'm like, you
don't understand how hilarious it is. You're dressed up for
a party, be me like this, like yeah, so anyway,
and you're like trying to be cute at a party
and then you just fucking throw yourself over a fence,

(24:01):
like did they have warrants out for their arrest or something.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
It would have been great if then he opened the
fence and on the other side they're going to arrest
the girl's getting arrested by the cops too, like pauled away,
and there's just pounds of cocaine at their feet.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, why would you bring that much cocaine?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Just a little bit, Well, then it would be even
more impressive that they hauled the cocaine over the fence
along with our entire bodies. Anyways, listen, we could keep
doing this for fun. I would love to. I want
to just speculate about these two girls.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Are you first?

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I am first?

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Okay, yeah, thank you so much. Wait, hold on, don't
take that photo yet. I'm blowing my nose. No, no, okay.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
The same lady, yeah, same, yeah, because we're it's the
same spot.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
We're like, nothing's changed.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Giving the thumbs up doesn't even matter. But did you see?

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Fucking are awesome? So care to guard over? Like, come
at me?

Speaker 3 (25:02):
We need to tackle her next time.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
She wants you to.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
She fucking mosied over like I got this No matter
what happens. That was awesome.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
What if my butler came and attacked you? I would
definitely come back here.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
There is no butler, becauys, how do we tell her
there's no butler?

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Why this hasn't been a butler around here for twenty
five bugles? I don't know what that accent is anymore?
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (25:30):
What's the best about that? Is twenty five years ago?
It's been like nineteen ninety. Are talking like that?

Speaker 3 (25:36):
In the Great Butler Motor Rampage of nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I don't know what was it?

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Three?

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Okay, go.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
So here's the thing that I think.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Both of us have started doing, especially when we're on
the road, because we have to write. It's like book
Report race. We have to write like six murders.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
The Great Book Report is our new TV show that
we're pitching. It's right, nobody likes it, but he.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Wants to watch it. Everyone's super stressed out about it.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
It's just us in our hotel rooms, in our fucking robes, typing,
and thing's going, are you done with your story yet?
I need your story?

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah? And meanwhile, in the background, for some reason, the
beginning of sixty minutes is playing. That's how I always
knew that my book Like, I had to finish that
book Report. Yeah, Sunday night, seven thirty. Yeah, you better
finish your fucking homework.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
So in the middle of the murder I had, I
was like, wait a second, I want to do sigfeedin' roy.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Oh they weren't murder That's why I was like, oh.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Are you changing the rules of this podcast.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
I seriously thought I was such a fucking genius For
like four minutes, I was like, I'm gonna fucking I
can't imagine when I say I'm doing sigfreedom, worry what
they're gonna.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Say it's good?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
I'm you know it was he was, it was a
hold on, it was oh you doy No, I didn't.
I just wrote down a couple factoids. Okay, Roy was
bitten on the net actually by montecor.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Oh, the white tiger manty.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
And as he was being pulled away, I'm taken to
the University Medical Center. H right, local references gets him
every time.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I think they all work there.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
The whole hospital's empty right now, chan't let's go rob
the hospital.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Rob a hospital.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Just pills and then those weird water pitchers with the
matching cup.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I take like four of those. I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Okay. As Roy was getting loaded into the emergency room,
the tiger bit his neck.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
No again, no, I'm saying, oh got it. Why didn't
they get the tiger away from him? Bit his neck?

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Roy said, down, down tiger, Okay.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Oh he did? What was rob?

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (27:59):
I fall for every because I stand for everything? Is
that how it goes?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I think that's the saying, yeah, okay, I just wanted
to get this a great quote out that I found
on Wikipedia. Okay, because Roy said to everybody as he
was being wheeled away.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Montagor is a great cat.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Make sure no harm comes to montacor him in the
fucking well.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I think Rory was like, yeah, we've been waiting for this.
It's not the fucking cats full okay.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
They everybody lived and they retired seven years later. It
was not that big of a deal, including the tiger.
The tiger lives, Okay, no harm came to It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Those are gonna be my last words. I hope I remember.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
It's gonna be so funny. You better be there so
I can be like, what was that thing?

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I was gonna say something about Montague's.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Noah, and that's how I die. No the children.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
And then I'm like, that's what she really wanted. It's
just I know one.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I knew how she really wanted to go, and knew
her better than she knew herself, sadly true.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
So actually I'm going to do for real the murder
of Gerard Souls.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
The poodle King.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Whoa, there's a poodle care.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
There is a poodle.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
King, and he worked right here in this great city
of Las Vegas at the gorgeous and historic Circus Circus.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
See, yeah, been there? Have you been there? I have
been on mushrooms there. That sounds like a fucking nightmare.
Don't do it.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
It was a bad idea. It was a bad nineties idea. Well,
we were all wearing chokers, were like, this will be funny.
Oh I it's been positive for so long that I
was going to remain for the rest of my days
in front of that carousel. Oh yeah. It felt like

(30:11):
we were there for nine hours. I was like, God,
I want to leave the carousel area. But everyone else
seemed to like it. But I was like, I'm having
a nervous breakdown. Oh my god. And then just went
from there. Every single place you turned it was just like,
oh no, someone's flying. Oh no, they're smoking.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I could just I went there when I was nine
on mushrooms. Oh, and I had the same freak out.
I was there when I was a kid. Why did
my dad take us there? That's not fun for children.
I don't understand. Was it Halloween? No, he wasn't trying
to scare you. No.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Oh okay, I just remember there were so many of
us and we had no money, so there was like
eight of us sleeping in a room with two beds,
and I slept on the floor.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Oh no, red shag carpeting. Circus Circus.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Eh, what'd you pick up from there?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Closing time?

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Time for me to go home. Okay.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
The entire source of the story I'm about to tell
you is from one Vanity Fair article written by a
woman named Megan Rose. And actually she wrote this article
so good that it ended up changing the verdict.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
What let's get into it, shall we.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
It's very very fun. I was going to read you
the title of this article, but it is a complete
spoiler title. It basically tells you all the good stuff, right,
I didn't do it? So okay. So on June fourth,
nineteen ninety two, when Gerard Jerry Soles doesn't show up
at Circus Circus Casino for work, which is very unlike him,

(32:00):
his boss goes to the RV park where he lives
to investigate.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I'm judge.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, they're really nice inside. I know, actually, really you're kidding.
My cousin lives in one and it's you would never
know that you were in.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
A double wife.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
It's kind of my dream home.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
They're pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah, And then very manageable, not like this gorgeous palatial
apartment I have upstairs tonight. That was too many messages
in one okay. So when he knocks on the door,
he can hear Jerry's poodles barking like crazy, and he
knows something's wrong because they're normally very well behaved dogs.

(32:41):
They don't bark. So he calls the park security guard
and they call the cops, and inside the trailer they
find Jerry's Soul's belongings scattered everywhere. The window shade has
been pulled off, the window, TVVCR, cabinet's empty, there's a
blood soilk mattress and a trail of blood leaning back

(33:03):
toward the bathroom. And they're in the bathroom. There's blood
splattered everywhere. It's just insane. And Jerry Souls is laying
naked with his throat slashed. He's been stabbed so many
times that the corner stopped counting at thirty five, but
they believe.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
It's over one hundred.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Oh my god, and somebody put an orange towel on
his face. He was fifty five years old. So I'll
tell you a little bit about Jerry Souls. So he
was born nineteen thirty five in Canada, but he moved
to Michigan in his childhood and he grew up outside
Detroit and when he was a teenager. He grew up

(33:41):
in a very devout Catholic family. But he still came
out to his mom when he was a teenager and
his family totally supported him.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah, I thought.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
In a nineteen fifty five holy fucking shit, this is so.
But his it was his life long dream since he
was like twelve years old. He wanted to be in
the circus. So when he wanted to be on the trapeze,
so when he was sixteen, he left home.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
To join the circus.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
And this is so basically this is I found his
Stephen found his obituary. It was insanely long. This is
the bridged version. It was written by a woman named
Helene Weaver and she says Gerard Souls, who has been
murdered at Las Vegas, Nevada, was one of America's leading

(34:36):
circus performers, first as a trapeze artist and she spelled
it artiste, and later with his celebrated dog troop Poodles
d Perry.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Wait were they all on a trapeze together?

Speaker 3 (34:49):
No? No, no, no, the fuck.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
I got so excited.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
They let you do that shit like up until the nineties, I.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Think they do.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
But that's the high wire.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
The trapeze would be you lock a dog's legs on
the now grab this one.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
That's worse.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
It'd be a buying could do that.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I am a poodle. I just can't stop picturing. I
know it's a pretty good visual. Okay, oh, I think
we do have some pictures. Oh am, I in George.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Check this ship out.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
So he got famous because he could.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Do this trick where he would he would go off
the like he would launch off the trapeze.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I don't know the terminology, and then.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
He would do a forward somersault and catch himself by
his heat by his like ankles on the track.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
And then be fine. That's amazing. Wearing like a cape.
He looks incredible, living his best life. He was fucking
doing it.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
So his heel catching work as an aerialist was sensational
and together with his cool, arrogance and electrifying personality more
than justifies justified his billing as the star of stars
on the high trapeze.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
So I guess he was like the fucking I don't
know why I was going to say the tom cruise
of the trap.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Uh huh, I get it, I get it.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
My favorite star.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
So in his life he had a number of falls,
usually only in rehearsal, but in Belgium, and early nineteen
sixty four, after a near fatal accident in front of
a paying audience, he retired from the trapeze great. He
was next scene in the Clyde Beattie Colex Brothers Circus
in America. You know your favorite circus, the famous one.

(37:03):
Clyde Beattie Colex was helped by the nuclear power plant.
For that circus, he did a plate spinning act. His
career span four decades. He worked in everything from small
shows to the Barnum and Bailey Circus, the greatest show

(37:24):
on Earth. By nineteen fifty six he was a center
ring attraction with Clyde Batty's Big Tenting Circus, and four
years later he joined Wringling Brothers and Barnum and Bailey, in.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Which he featured. He was a fatured attraction.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Until nineteen sixty three, when he was sent to Moscow
to appear in an American circus. He was admirer of
a British dog trainer named Victor Julian And that's how
he got his idea. When he was doing the plate spinning,
He's like, this sucks. So he remembered this dog trainer
that he loved, this British dog trainer. So then he

(37:58):
decided he was going to have a dog act and
uh which and so that's when he came up with
poodles de Perry. And he made all the costumes for himself.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
And for the dogs.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Oh no, tell me, is it happening?

Speaker 2 (38:18):
It have happened. Look at this.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Little garbage yet out, but look at.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Their up.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Can I believe you've never heard of Jerry's souls? I
mean on the poodles de Perry. I love that, Steve
Brook with poodles, with poodles, thanks Steven. Look at them,
I mean with poodles and feathers. So basically he gets.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
A job at Circus Circus in nineteen ninety two, and
the height of Circus Circus is great something hold.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
It, No, that would be too early for me on
my drug trip. I'd be a amazing I'm like, wait
a second, I saw this. But basically, on the second
floor a circus circus, there's a stage, and all day
long until midnight, they have circus circus acts performing for free,
so they just have act after act, and Jerry was

(39:16):
like the hit of the show, and people would you know,
on their way to in this article, she says, as
they as they move along past to the two ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Buffet, that's what she is. It's kind of, you know,
it's a little elitist.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
So his show featured fourteen pete poodles hopping on their
hind legs across the stage.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
One would wear a poncho and a sombrero.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Another had her dress attached to her front paws, so
then when she.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Stood up, she did the Mulan brouge. Can can oh,
I was sexualizing a poodle.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I hope it was a girl. There was ones wearing
three foot tall hats, giant hoopskirts, and then Jerry himself
wore sequent tails matching bow tie and all hands stitched himself.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
As we said, So the problem was in his personal life.
Jerry was having a really hard time.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
He was fifty five, his partner of decades had died
a couple of years before, and all the other performers,
most of them lived in the casino's own RV park.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
That's kind of a common thing, I guess here.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
But they wouldn't let him stay in there our V park,
the Circus Circus RV park with the poodles, So he
got banished to the Silver Nugget camper Land, which we
all know.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Less desirable. Yeah, coming off, Oh what's happening?

Speaker 3 (40:53):
I don't know this?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
So is this my part of the table now?

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Yeah, I'm max your part, that's all you got grab
I'm a yank.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Okay, there we go. Everyone's magic. Okay.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
So, so the thing that Jerry started doing was he
was to make himself feel better. He would help other people.
So if he saw people panhandling, and usually it was men,
because he want, you know, he was lonely for mail company,
so he would, you know, give them money, ask them
if they wanted to go to dinner, you know, basically

(41:31):
kind of try to help out. And that's how he
met a man named Fred Steevez. So uh, basically Fred.
He saw Fred was holding a will work for food sign.
He was driving by in his truck. He said, I'll
take you to dinner if you want to go to
dinner with me. Fred's like sounds great at dinner. Uh,
you know, Jerry said, I'm a gay man. I'm you know,

(41:52):
like I'm you know, interested in hanging out. Fred's like,
sounds good to me. I like to hang out too.
And then Fred was He's like, well, here's an interesting thing.
If you really do need work, I just fired my assistant.
Apparently he had he had an assistant that couldn't do
the job. I don't.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
It wasn't in the art, so I don't.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Lot of dog poop picking up in the said job.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Poodle poop, poodle poop, diva poop.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah. So Jerry offered him the job and he was like,
that'd be amazing. It would help me so much. So
they they start working together and then they actually start
to have a relationship. So he trains him to be
as assistant and learned the whole dog act. But then
when they're ready to work at Circus Circus, like h
the HR department came and it was like, you need

(42:41):
a work permit to be able to work here and
be Jerry's assistant. Well, Fred tells Jerry, I'm actually living
under an assumed name because I'm on the run. I
am in parole violation in Florida for what they called
a hapless bank robbery, which I'd love to know.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
There's no details about it in the article. That's embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
You know, you're just kind of a shitty bank lad. Yeah,
like he walked in with a bag with dollar signs
on it and then tripped and chipped his tooth, started crying.
So so basically he says, he says to Jerry, I'm

(43:23):
not gonna be able to get a work permit and
this isn't going to work out.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Thanks for everything, you know, see you later.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
And then in the article it says then he panhandled
enough money for liquor and a speedball and hopped on
a train. How did they have that detail? Just a
fucking dream vacation. So Fred Stee's had a really hard
life himself. He was abandoned by his mother when he
was ten. He was in thirty seven different foster homes. Yeah,

(43:52):
as a teen, he wandered into a hobo camp outside Phoenix,
where an old timer introduced him to riding the rails
and he started doing that and uh so, oh, we
have a picture. This is Oh, that's that's everybody that's
on the second floor. The second floor show at Circus Circus.

(44:12):
Let's get child labor. See those kids tap dance Janine
do it again again. And then those girls on the top.
That's all they did is put one hand up. But
they were really good. Man.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Look at those flats. Okay, don't sorry, no, I don't
even I could just stare at that forever. I'm on mushrooms.
I just want to stare at that. Yeah, you should
have told me. Oh, so that's the hapless bank robber
Fred Steve. Hey, okay, this is stressful to me. Okay,

(44:49):
you want me to do it?

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Sure? Do you want to? Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna yell
photo when the photos Okay, now you're gonna be stressed, okay, okay, um.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
So then six days later, after Fred jumped the train,
it was six days later that Jerry didn't show up
for work at Circus Circus.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
And his boss came and they found his body.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
So how many days?

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Six six days?

Speaker 2 (45:12):
That's not a lot.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
It's not a lot. And when the detectives are investigating
the crime scene, they find a letter that's from uh
it's sent to Fred Stee but it's at Jerry's address,
and it's from the last guy that Fred had hitchhiked
with and then eventually started a relationship with, and so

(45:34):
that's how they, uh, that's how they started to pinpoint
that he was there. They called this guy, and that
guy told the police that Fred had told them that
the guy he lived with.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Had been stabbed like a hundred times.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
And so the second the police heard that he knew
that bit of information, they were like, he did it
and we just have to go get him. Yeah, So, uh,
they call Fred Stee They tell him he has to
come back to Vegas. So Fred's way of coming back
to Vegas. He's super drunk. He jumps on a train
going the wrong direction. He ends up in Wisconsin, that's

(46:14):
not Vegas. So when he gets there, he realizes what
he did. So he steals a semi truck and he
drives thirty hours straight through back to Vegas. And when
he hits town, he immediately gets pulled over and arrested. Hmmm,
I mean, you know he got from point A to
point B. He well, point A to point D right

(46:36):
then visa V, B and C. Okay, So he tells
them he has nothing to do with Jerry Soul's murder,
that he would have never hurt him, that he really
liked him, he considered him a close friend, and that
he had been in New Plymouth, Idaho the whole time.
But uh, Fred, basically he would he would deny it,

(47:00):
just outright, and then the cops were getting angry and
yelling at him. The interrogation lasted five hours and he
changed his story. At first he said he had nothing
to do with it. Then he claimed that Fred sexually
attempted to tie him up and sexually assault him with
a plunger. The police are like that, they showed him

(47:21):
the layout of the trailer and they're like, it's physically
impossible what you're saying he did. There's no room for that.
Then he changes story again. Literally it was aerodynamically impossible.
So he changes a story again. He ends up changing
it six times, but in the end he just says

(47:45):
he decided to rob Jerry last minute and then Jerry
woke up, and so he killed him. And that's the
story he gives the cops, and so Fred Stee is
arrested for the murder of Jerry souls. So two years later,
by the time the case gets to trial, fred Stee's
defense team, they've put together an extensive alibi he had.

(48:07):
There's fourteen witnesses, ten items of documentary evidence proving that
Stecee was nowhere near Soul's trailer at the time of
the murder, but at the time of an ambitious young
prosecution lawyer named William Keppert was assigned to the case,
and he knows that Stece did it, so he's pulling.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
He wants to pull that alibi apart.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
So he goes to Idaho and he finds witnesses who
say that Stece used to use the alias Robert and
that they heard him talking about having a brother. So
they find out that Fred Steeze has a look alike
brother named Robert who lives in Texas. Yes, it's real,
What the fuck? So so.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
They put it together. They come up with this theory.
So here's the theory.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Steece, it wasn't Fred's in Idaho, it was Robert and
it was it was all a plan to create this alibi.
And the witnesses who thought they met Fred in Wyoming
and Idaho, the two places he was seen, actually met
his brother Robert, and the real Fred ran to Idaho
after the murder and then met his brother there. The

(49:20):
only problem with this theory is that there was no
evidence that proved that Robert Stee had been in Idaho,
and it directly conflicted with the actual established timeline, and
most importantly, it contradicted Stee's signed confession that it was
this last minute, drunken decision to rob and then and
then murder Jerry Soles. So since it could be proved

(49:45):
that fred' stice was in Wyoming on May thirty first,
that would mean that Stee would have had to set
the alibi plan into motion three full days before that
spur of the moment attack. But this the presented to
the court, plus the signed confession, was enough to get

(50:06):
him convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison
without the possibility of parole.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
You might want to hold that he spends twenty years
in jail. Oh that's a long time.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
And this whole time, his original defense attorney, a woman
named Nancy Lemke, is fighting to get his case reviewed.
She's sending it everywhere she can, like somebody has to
do something.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
This guy didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
And when they finally do get the case reviewed, they
find evidence in the files that Fred Steese's name had
been run through the system by Texas authorities on May
twenty fifth, June first, and June fourth, which that means
it's usually when people are stopped by the police, is

(50:51):
when your name gets run, which would mean that Robert
Steze was in Texas at the time of the prosecution.
At the time, the prosecution argued he was impersonating his
brother in Idaho. I'm sorry they find evidence Robert Steice's name. Shit,
it's confusing enough, but essentially the lookalike brother is proven

(51:13):
to be in Texas at the time that he's supposedly
being seen in Idaho and Wyoming, so that they find
this piece of information and the fact that it was
suppressed by the prosecution so they didn't tell anybody. So
then they go talk to Robert Fred's brother and he

(51:35):
tells the court under oath, he hadn't seen Fred since
he was nine years old. He had never been to
Idaho or Wyoming, and he didn't even know what Fred's
birthday was or if he was still alive, so he
had no contact or connection.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
With his brother whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
That's weird.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
So in October of twenty twelve, after twenty years in prison,
a judge declares that Stycee was innocent. They go back
through all of all of the everything, and he there
was nothing that put him in that mobile home at
the time of the murder. So, but they wouldn't be

(52:12):
because he had already been found guilty and gone to jail.
They wouldn't, uh, they wouldn't retry him. They I mean,
they wouldn't just say that he was innocent. They wouldn't
just let him go. They made him sign the Alfred plea,
which is the thing that says that you were convicted,
but you say.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
You're innocent, and then you can get out of jail.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
And that way nobody you're not allowed to sue, and
none of the people who withheld evidence or were tricky
in any way get in trouble.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
That's fucked up. So, uh, I think I'm drinking your
water anyways, Well I guess I quit.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Sorry, Uh okay, So basically it then in so he
but Fred Steece is in jail, He's like, I'll sign
the fucking Alfred Please get me out of here.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I'm good with it.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
So he does it.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
He gets out of jail, but of course he can't
get a job. Everywhere he goes.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
He's a convicted felain so this that's when our friend
Megan Arose wrote this article for van By Fair. And
then in November of twenty seventeen, the Nevada Board of
Pardons and Commissions granted Fred a full pardon, delivering a
clear rebuke to the Las Vegas prosecutors who refuse to

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recognize his innocence, and Nevada Supreme Court Justice Lydia Stiglitch said,
let there be no residual stain on his record, but
a sad footnote to this. Jerry Soul's sister, Kathy Nurse Nazri,
who was so angry at Fred Stee the entire during

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the entire court case, went to him and wept and
asked for his forgiveness and said she was so sorry.
She has a whole shrine in her house because she
still is back in Detroit of her all of her
brother's amazing accomplishments in the circus and being this insane,
amazing track pease artist and and dog trainer and you know,

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incredible entertainer for years and years. And she also still
has his silver ring and in this article it says
it's stained with blood and she wonders if the killer's
DNA is on it and if anyone cares. Oh, man,
and that's the unsolved, supposedly murder of Jared Souls.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Wow, it's kind of fun, kind of pressing.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Fuck, that's crazy. How have we never heard of that? Okay,
I'm gonna listen.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Okay, Okay, now I'm going to get comfortable. You get comfortable.
You take you the tablecloth. I don't think that.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Oh that's him, that's Fred Steez. Dad, we got out
of jail.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Okay, take the ceremonial tablecloth. Okay, guy, I'm going to
tell you about a murder. Okay, you know, sounds good. Yeah,
that's what we love true crime. Yeah, this is the
murder of Ted Binyon.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Oh to your note.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
So Stephen will send us like, uh, here's a here's
a list of ideas of murders you can do, and
like send us each separate ones. And I had already
found this one that I wanted to do, and I
was like, can I do this one? He's like, I
sent it to Karen?

Speaker 3 (55:46):
What do I do?

Speaker 1 (55:47):
And I'm like, tell her she can't fucking he did?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
He email you?

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Soon we're only going to be talking through Steven. Well,
tell her, I said, maybe I want it. No, I
still hadn't even looked at his email when he he
texted me, He's like, so Binyon's is out.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Please don't bother me at home, Stephen, he climbs your
gate and he's like, hey, I just wanted to let
you know. He climbs the gate from the outside. George
climbs from the outside.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Time they snapchat each other's faces snapchat.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Still I think, sadly, I think it imploded. Oh okay, So.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Where was I? So this story is so convoluted and
insane and weird that I like, I my brain doesn't
wrap around it. And to me, I'm like, I don't
really know exactly what happened. So you'll have to tell
me what you Oh, I'll tell you at the end.
I'll tell you. Okay, I'm counting on it, Okay, all right.
So Benny Binyon was a gambling icon and kind of

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a mob dude who lived in Dallas, and he fled
from the Texas government to Las Vegas to open the
Horseshoe Casino in downtown Las Vegas in nineteen fifty one. Yeah,
I have lost a lot of money at that exact casino.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
I would love to steal an ashtray from the Horseshoe casino.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I bet they have a horseshoe on them. Yeah, do
you like horseshoes? I just like old ash trees.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Is it because you're at Clydesdale.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
And a smoker?

Speaker 3 (57:31):
A lot of Clydesdale's are really bad smokers, all of us,
so many of us.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
It is my like when we stay downtown, that's where
we go to gamble. They have a fucking buffalo machine.
If you guys see one here, like hello, it's my favorite.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Georgia loves buffalo. I'm a real I'm a real uh
sucker for Willy Wonka. Yeah, I just want I just
want to watch a movie and give my money a
and Willie Wonka helps me do that.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah, okay, so here here's here's what Benny Binyon looks like.
Fucking what's up? Buffalo?

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Benny?

Speaker 2 (58:14):
What is that a buffalo on his neck? He is
a fucking old timer. You know you wanted to drink
with him? Right Just my heart is singing right now.
He parties, Yeah, totally parties.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
He's the guy. He does cigarette and drink in one.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Oh that's good.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
It's all this this, what about it? It's all individually
shoes on us. Thegar makes it all wet and gross.
Two pits.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Okay, maybe just keeps a tiny like a smaller than
normal piece of gum right in the front. Counts money.
He counts money while looking around and smiling at Yeah.
He licks his finger while he's counting money. But he
doesn't get sick. Yeah, that's like magic to me. No
money can make Benny Binny and sick. No, never has

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proven fact. Okay, I love you.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Okay. So he comes here to escape from those guys
in Dallas. He it's like one of the most profitable,
profitable casinos. He totally changes the way fucking casinos work.
He's like a total badass baller. Everyone loves him. He's
like the dude right.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
But anywhere's feather BoA's appear at least so fuck yes.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
But he was eventually convicted of tax evasion. Long history.
It's actually really interesting. He's a fucking fascinating dude.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
So he you love tax law?

Speaker 2 (59:38):
No, I mean he's interested. This tax evasion court case
is amazing. Oh, I read every piece of paper about transcripts.
So his son's take over the business of the Horseshoe.
His son Ted, who's only twenty one at the time,
and his son Jack takeover.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Jack becomes president of the Horseshoe.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
I guess he's kind of like a boring dude in
the back, you know, counting money with his without licking
his finger.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Yes, he has the Green Advisor, he's got the arter
on his sleeve.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yes, he's from the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Eighteen fifties, right right, So they don't let him out
on the floor. But Ted is like super cool. He
becomes the casino manager. He's the face of the Horseshoe.
It's the twenty one year old Ted's a twenty one
year old. Sorry, it's like this late fifties, early sixties.
You know, I couldn't tell. I kept looking for dates,

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but none of them seemed right. We're eventually going to
get to the late nineties. So just strike that question.
Fair with strike.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
It's a valid fucking question that I had too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I'm just saying, if you think about your YouTube stars
of today, imagine if one of them had their own casino.
It would be bad.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
That would be an asshole child, right, Just picture it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
No this guy?

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Okay, So let me tell you about him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
You like him?

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Yeah, he's a good guy. Okay, would I like him?

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Yes? So he's basically a younger version of his fucking
pampass dad. Oh can I say, pimp you did? I
know that's really not you? I know I did not
to say that's Vegas baby. Yeah, let it out. Okay,
younger version, or at least he tried to be. He
basically grew up in the casino. He learned the trade

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as a preteen from his father and some in like
casino players. He learned it all by the time he
was eighteen. He had been in the casino business his
whole life. Someone said that Benny told me that Ted
was the best in the business. So he's like a businessman.
He dresses like his dad and boots some cowboy hat,
takes a pistol in his jeans, and he drove a
pickup truck with his dog princess writing shotgun. Ah yeah,

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he drove it right into the casino. He was always
ready for fun. He was super likable. Also a junkie, A.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Junkie, yeah, he gambling junkie, a drug addict.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
The word junkie is also problematic.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
He had moved from pot to OPI into LSD and
finally black tar heroin with his drug of choice. Somehow
he fucking ran this like huge, crazy business.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Well yeah, I think he probably built up a tolerance. Yeah,
so it all got real normal to him that he.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Was like, it's crazy black tar. Sorry, I've had two
cups of coffee and I can barely fucking read.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Like what real?

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
I had two cups of coffee. I'm sweating like a
lean too. It's okay, good, I thought it was a
light okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
So for the next thirty years, Ted's the face of
the Horseshoe, becomes well known as the host of their
famous poker tournaments. He loved living the high life, partying,
schmoozing with high profile guests, and flirting with hot ladies.
One such lady, I can't remember what photo I put
up next, I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
To roll those dice.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yeah, what if it's just a funny meme. One such
woman was Sandy Murphy aka the Irish Venus. Oh hello,
so they had met in nineteen ninety five. Well, she
was working at Cheetahs, Yes, the exotic dancing place.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
So wait, is Cheetah's like a chain like Bennegan's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Because there's one in La too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Yeah, I didn't realize. And it's topless, right, I believe topless. Yes,
it's been very least. Okay, it's all tank tops and tubetops.
Oh gosh, that's where Ted like to hang out and
do his business and take his meetings and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Sure, you know it's easier to concentrate there, right, you
do that too, rightep.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
So Sandy is beautiful. She's twenty eight, younger years younger
than Ted. She had come to Las Vegas from Bellflower
in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
You know that hub of sin the city, Bellfow. Yeah,
oh I thought you. Bellflower was another strip club that
I was supposed to know about.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Is that a good one? Or they all of them?

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
It's Billflower's all. It's goth and mod stripping. It's hard
to tell.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
So like you can read stories about her that you know,
they make her to be this sexy sex queen. It's
like looking for money and then some and then like
in her or things, she's like, I'm lost all my
money and I needed money, so I'm hot and I
went and worked to Cheetahs.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
It's like, you know, you can't tell, but I mean, look, listen, listen.
But I like when they list things like that, like
they were after money. Aren't we all fucking after money?
On the daily? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Yeah please? They make her you know, you know, it's
like one of those things where like in the forty
eight hours on ID they show like probably like a
pole dancing person from like the Knees Down, Yeah, you know,
just to show you what the gritty city underlay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
We are dudes that are like yeah, yeah, like they've
never seen legs, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Ooh, legs, this what she was bad? But it's like
I should just need that so money.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Let me all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Okay, this might be the photo I think it is
which will make you laugh. No, that's not it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Okay, that's tappinion.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
That's the fucking black Tar Heroin anah huh, oh my god.
I love him. Apparently he was like a really everyone
loved him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
He was a you know, gregarious gregarious friends, but you
gave up pathway through on Gregarious, don't know that's what
that means.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
He just doesn't look like anyone I ever did Heroin.
That's what's freaking me out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Does he look like someone who would wear a fucking
feather Boa and a hat like his dad. Well that's
who he was. Okay, Oh sorry, take him away from you. Okay, Sandy,
but blah blah blah. Okay. So, so shortly after they met,
right after Ted's wife and kid move out of his
house or their house, Sandy moves in with Ted and

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she like starts racking up credit card bills averaging fifty
one hundred is the number I saw expensive jewelry, plastic surgery,
European vacations, all paid for by Ted, which is like, well,
he's got the money, let him pay for her shit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Isn't if he wants Isn't that what casinos are all about?

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Okay, just like spending and wasting. Yes, smoking heroin.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
That's funny. They both loved to party all night, sleep
all day, which who fucking doesn't. And okay, here's the
photo that I think you're going to enjoy. This is
from They're Made for TV movie. Oh are you ready?
Who do you think she played her?

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Well, if she's the Iris vena Irish venus.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
You're already on the wrong track.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Okay, because it's so Diane Carroll or what Mina Savari?

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Matthew mo Matthew Mojime, who is also totally addicted to
Blacktar heroine.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Let's spread that rumor.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Yeah, I'm going to I'll tweet it out tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
So this is the kind of idea. Let me tell
you about this movie real quick. This movie is called
Sex and Lies in Sin City. Let me read you
a quick blurd from it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
I'm sorry, that title is easily the laziest piece of
writing I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
No, no, no, the movie seems like the laziest piece
of writing. Someone wrote about it. Shot in New Mexico
for what looks like jackpots off penny slots. The fact
based story as depicted isn't trashy enough to qualify as
a guilty pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Oh that's the worst. When they're not bad enough to
be fun. Yeah yeah, sorry, guys, that's them. Look, listen,
everybody's okay, you've got to make those made for TV
movies sometime, okay. According Modine's laughing now with the Stranger Things,
yeh cash stacking up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
According to Techlass Monthly, our favorite news magazine, text World,
the story by Gary Cartwright. So according to all this shit,
she was famous for her big mouth, and she called
ted old and ugly and told people openly that she.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Was sticking around just for the money.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
But other friends the couple attested to seeing Sandy with
bruises on her face and a clump of hair missing once,
and that she told a friend that Binyon had beaten her.
Benyon's gardener said she took a lot of crap from him.
Oh man On, the gardener knows that guy's outside. Yeah, yeah,
not inside.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
After one particularly big fight, Ted bought her a Mercedes
worth ninety seven thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
That's all almost one hundred thousand dollars. What kind of
what does what the fuck? Does it have a CD
player or something?

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
What if it looks like our hotel room upstairs? That's
just the car that you drive in March nineteen ninety eight,
finally we have a date. Okay, here we are. We're
in nineteen ninety eight. Karen's live in the highway.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Loving it. I'm graduating high school twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
On speed, freaking out, can't sleep, can't stop drinking, panicking,
but pretending like I'm having a great time. Plaid mini skirt,
black combat.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Boots, red. I have a photo of it right now.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
What if I did I know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
I want to see it too. Don't be mad.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
If you did, it would be me with the tiniest
eyebrass like Clara bo iris. Right, you pluck them all
out when you're on speed, and then like my eyelids
never touched my irises. It was always like, Hi, what's up?
I was always really angry about nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Ninety eight she took us there after. The Nevada Gaming
Commission finds out that Ted is associating with Chicago mobster.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
His name's Fat or Herbie Blitztein. What say it again?

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
I'm sure I got that Herbie Herbie, Herbie Kirby with
a K Herbie Herbie. Herbie was like like the love bug,
Yeah got it, Blitztein, Fat Herbie Blitztein, which I'm like,
oh choose yeah, fat Herbie Blitztein.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
I bet he was fun.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
I hope he was super skinny, one of those ones.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
They find out that Ted's hanging out with him, so
they vote. The Nevada Gaming Commission is like your older
sister that tells on you, and it's like a super
big bummer and you're like what that. They voted unanimously
to provoke permanently revoked Ted's gaming license.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
He's the first.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
He's the first person to lose his license from violating
a Nevada regulation that bans gaming license holders from associating
with known criminals.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Oh, I mean amongst us is not a criminal.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
She likes it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Yeah, fucking finally, pet it, sick of it. Commission these
games for fox sake?

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
That's all right?

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Can we get some regulation? I know, right, yeah, I'll
do it for you. Because you're telling your story.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
You don't have to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Well, it'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Thank you. That's very nice. But license, Okay, his ties
are now right, I get a little too. Oh okay,
on the back. It's making your hair. This like, here's
a big thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
He ties are separate from the family business. They're like,
pack up all your shit in the basement of the horseshoe.
Get the fuck out of here. You can't be in here.
So he takes he takes all his his crazy fucking
silver collection, estimated to be worth anywhere from seven to
fourteen million fucking dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
He collects silver. Yeah, okay, my dad's like do it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
That's my dad's like apocalypse plan.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Invest in silver. Yes, yeah, it's a good idea. Copper
wire is also a great thank to strip. If you
ever see it anywhere, just pull it down and put
it in your car. I've heard that for later, for.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
After when football hits, he'll mill, he'll find someone to
sell it to. At this point, Sandy and Ted's relationship
is starting to sour. Ted had lost his gaming license
and after that, his drug addiction got fucking worse. Probably
as bored as fucking home. Right, we've all been there,
didn't due, just can't stop. Yeah, So he needing to

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find a new place to store his silver silver since
he had a GTFO out of there. He enlisted the
help of a dude named Rick Tavish who owned a
trucking company, who Sandy had met recently. And there's just
like so much information about this dude, and like it's
so hard to find the exact fucking details of him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Sounds like he was a bad guy, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
He's described as regularly handsome, financially a financially troubled contractor
from Montana with a criminal record that included convictions were
avigraded as assault and cocaine dealing. It's like your dating show,
your eyes turned into hearts contested number one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
It is perfectly terrible for me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
I think there's a photo of him. Yes, I love them.
So that's Sandy and that's Rick. That's fucking Will Ferrell
if I've ever seen it, do not, do not try
to tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
But owned a trucking company. Okay, so okay. He he's
soon confiding to friends that he was. Quote, here's this
fucking romantic. He's clearly a romantic. Laying the pipe to
Binyon's girlfriend. Oh okay, I have another recovered memory. Great.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
There was a stand up comedian that I knew when
I first started stand up in Sacramento.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Let you tell me who it is.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
No, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
I can't even remember his name, nobody. I don't think
he ever, I don't. I don't think he flourished. You
don't think he succeeded.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
I don't know. But he had a map and he
had pans in the map, and then next to the
pane it would say LP no.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
And that's everywhere in the United States he had laid pipe.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
No. Yes, yes, yes, this is my world.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
I've been in it since I was twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
It's so up. I mean, never got better.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Are we sure he didn't mean to take a shit.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
That's what I thought it meant. Yeah, the first time
I saw the map, I thought he had put a
pin everywhere. He had taken a shit across the United States,
and I was like, that's weird and not something to
brag about. And then I think it was someone like
blank Patch or somebody who was like Karen, playing pipe
means making love with a woman, and I was like,
oh no, I just got to get out of this business.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
I gotta go lay some pipe. I'll be right back.
That's like an obvious one. You're going to the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
I'm seeing this girl. We've started to lay pipe. I
just think I think there's something there. I think it's real.
The pipe ling is so there's miles of it. It's
all copper. It's a copper wire everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
So he clearly sucks, and then also telling her that
he's also telling his friends he's using her to advance
his plan to steal the bulk of Ted's fortune, including
the silver et cetera. So when Ted has to get
a new place to hide a shit, he hires Rick
to help construct a new vault. It's a concrete bunker

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twelve feet deep built on the desert floor on a
piece of property he owned in par Up.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
Corrup, Corrup. I don't know. I'm just saying what I
think they're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Porrup. Got it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Only need to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Screaming at me four times, Corp. But I do know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
It's sixty miles west of Las Vegas. Can you imagine,
let's the after parties there. It's we're gonna have a rave.
We drive out there to pour up lay some pips.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
I had to say it. I had no choice. It's
the thing we were talking about two minutes ago. Let's
call the callback. I'm stuck. I'm stuck in this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
So the bunker, which sounds awesome, contained tons of silver,
billion horseshoe casino chips, paper currency, and more than one
hundred thousand rare coins, including Carson City silver dollars, many
in mint condition. I don't know that what that means.
Really nice watched, not mint but carsons. I know what
mint me. I understand that you wouldn't think I did

(01:17:17):
based on a track record.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
It was just the Seentence construction. That's all came at
the end.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Estimated to be worth up to fourteen million dollars in
this fucking vault, and so the only people who had
the combination are Ted and this fucking bad guy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Direct Will, bad Will Farrell, bad Will Farrell.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
So bad Will Fall becomes a regular visitor at the
Binion household. He said he fell in love with Sandy.
Days after the treasure is sealed in this underground bunker,
Ted revises his will.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
The bulk of his estate is thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Million dollars worth it worth that. I'm just going to
go to his daughter to deleted the names a bunch
of people and bequeath Sandy three hundred thousand dollars. Oh
that's a slap in the face, because Sheerty has one
hundred thousand dollars car.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
That's a lot of fucking money. Though, no, it is
a lot, it's not enough. Well, I think what she wants.
She wants to be living that, you know, silver bullyon
life right right? Oh, but also his home and all
of its contents.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Oh that's weird. Do you think his daughter would like
want a fucking keepsake?

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Maybe it was all like a daffodil yellow or something
she could chandle remade the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
It's like marble flooring and stuff. I don't know what's nice,
Marble coindertops. Okay, Marble's nice to make sure, Okay, Sandy's
talking about I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
I'm really I feel like my brain.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Is okay, but but but but d and then so.
By this time, though, and maybe this is why the
relationship had started to go real shitty. Sandy and Ted
slept in separate rooms, and Sandy barely hit her affair
with Rick so On September seventeenth, nineteen ninety eight, six
months after losing his gaming license, Sandy calls the police saying,

(01:19:03):
my husband is stoped breathing, and then the connection was lost.
Paramedics found Ted Binyon and his den lying on a
yoga mat, empty bottle of xanax besides him dead. The
autopsy and toxicology report showed that he had died of
a lethal dosage combination of xanax and heroin with traces
of valium.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Yally, wow, that's so many drunk just who keep an
eye on her security? Woh, this is a little one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Come On.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
The day before, Binyon had himself purchased twelve pieces of
tar heroin from a street drug dealer and had earlier
gotten a prescription from his next door neighbor, a doctor
for xanax, and had gotten it himself. So he had
purchased all tho drugs on his own. So they thought
that maybe it was an accidental overdose or on purpose.
But Las Vegas homicide to have thought that the scene

(01:20:01):
looked stage, his body didn't show typical signs of a
drug overdose. Also, his stomach contained heroin, and that police
thought that an attic nurse suicide would take heroin.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
You don't eat heroin.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
You do not eat heroin. It's not like pot. You
can't make heroin browniees. Someone in the audi is like,
actually you can. I mean I didn't know that. I
mean I wouldn't have tried it, but I just feel
like pot, I mean, eating it isn't the ideal way
to take heroin. You if you want to shoot it
into your eye, that's good, but help, but eating it

(01:20:36):
won't work.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Okay. So then yeah, like that's really suspicious, right I think?
So Okay, So what prosecutors ended up believing is that
Rick and ted Rick restrained head with handcuffs or thumbcuffs
while Sandy mixed.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
I know is that real's it was in the article.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
I hadn't make it up because any I think we
need a get a pair of thumb cups and see
how if they really work.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
I can't even picture it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
It doesn't. It seems like a dumb party game that
if it happened at a party I was at, I
would get really mad.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
I don't think you they would have picked you for
the jury.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
After this, they were like, how do you feel about thumblofs?
Is that that fucking game? If people keep playing, ma'am,
we're gonna need you to ma'am, you're dismissed from society.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
So then they said that Sandy mixed up the heroine
and stuff in a glass and forced him to drink it,
and then that he was smothered. So this is the
fucking weirdest thing I've ever seen. The wineglass disappeared. They
could never find that wine glass, But.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Prosecutors have a videotape filmed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
The following day of the crimes, you know, and I
guess it shows Sandy removing a wineglass from the kitchen
counter and dropping.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
It into her handbag on the police day.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
And I was like, is this real? I saw in
one article and there's I couldn't find the video, and
it's just like, well then clearly.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
And she did like doo do do? She did that
with her mouth as she took the like she has
like a mask on a black and white stripe. Share.
It's all tiptoes, plink plink, plink plink plink blank blank
blank blank, like yeah, like honey, wait until the camera's

(01:22:25):
pointed elsewhere. But also wouldn't videotape cop be like pardon me, You're.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Not allowed to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
I'm pretty sure. Yeah, lots of questions on that. Okay,
it might not be even real, but I had to include.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
It because I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
It's great visual just kind of like also like smash
immediately in your purse, you'd have to get like a
very specific purse. Yeah, but okay, so I guess a
large amount of cash and Julie we were missing from
the house. Uh A three hundred thousand dollars collection of
rare coins and currency that Ted had kept in den

(01:23:00):
were gone. And two days after Ted Bingen was found dead,
Sheriff's deputies found Rick Tavish Schuck and Will Ferrell and
two other men unearthing the silver from the vault. Like
also with imasks on the fucking tiptoes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
They two days to days, just hold on the vault
for cooking six months.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
He and they were like, no, he told us to
do it. But he was arrested and then he was
bailed out by Sandy with a Mercedes Benz five hundred
SL convertible and five pieces of jewelry as collateral. Oh
that are probably worth more than something, yeah, a lot.
The Binyon estate hired a private investigator because nobody believed

(01:23:45):
that he had done it on purpose or even on accident,
and so he turned up a trail of cellular phone
conversations and secret meetings between Rick and Sandy, as well
as evidence that they had told people about the plot
to kill Ted. So they were like bliberty black been
all over town, oh guys, yeah, But it wasn't until
about ten months later in June of nineteen ninety nine,

(01:24:06):
when I turned nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
After it was a special. Just describe one outfit.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
I did it. I wore like a low rise like
old man pants. Okay, it like went down to the
hip or low with like one of those belts that
has the buckle that you like, you know, like a
buckly belt. Yeah, yeah, crop top. Okay, real tiny, just
like super skinny. I wore a dog a cat collar

(01:24:35):
with Ryanstones Baretts.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
Very like homeless, No like emo girl. Wait, I've seen
that picture? Is that that picture where you're it's like
from below and it's like really long.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
That's her.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
You look pretty cool?

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
Ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
I had stopped drinking and I was just mad all
the time.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
But then.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Ten months the coroner changes Ted's cause of death from
suicide to homicide. Sandy and Ricord arrested in charge with
murder and conspiracy to commit murdered and or robbery. The
prosecution was purely circumstantial, relying heavily on the testimony of
pathologist Michael M. Baden. He testified the two small red
lesions on the on Ted's chest indicated are you ready

(01:25:24):
for this? But he had died as a result of burking.
Do you don't burking? Oh no, I did not need
to know what this was. It's a technique in which
one person obstructs the victim's nose and mouth while the
other person sits on their chest to suffocate them.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Well, my sister did that to me every day after school.
What's it called?

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
When they dangle spit over your face and you turn
away and then it goes into your fucking ear. Sorry,
it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
About me, but isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Burking owes its name to William Burke, who, along with
the partner, used the method. The partner was like, why
couldn't it be called fucking Thomas Ing or whatever his
last name was Smithing? Why didn't I get it? Yeah,
they used the method to kill women in the nineteenth
century Scotland so the corpses could be sold for dissection. Oh,

(01:26:20):
Burke and Hare, Yeah what Yeah, you're so smart, Harring,
that doesn't have the same ring. I agree with him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
I've heard those people of those people shit.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Okay, So he's killed in a really kind of weird
like they think it's going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
No one's going to catch on to it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
That's what the ras kiters were saying. Yeah. Another key witness,
attorney James Brown oh I know, testified that Binyon called
him the day before his death to change the terms
of his will. He said that quote, he said, quote,
take Sandy out of the will. If she doesn't kill
me tonight, if I'm dead, you'll know what happened. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Right, So clearly.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
The jury found Murphy and Tabish Sandy and Rick guilty
of first murder and of conspires conspires the Ring to
Seal Silver Bullion, Jesus inspiring, conspicer ying, you know, making
it spicy. Then you make a plan and while you're
listening to the Spice Girl exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
But ba ba ba okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
So, at twenty eight years old, Sandy was sentenced to
at least twenty two to years in prison on twelve counts.
The judge said she had committed quote the Ultimate Betrayal,
which they should I called the made for TV movie
though that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
You're exactly right. The Ultimate Betrayal is an amazing title.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Yeah, I'm sure it's taken. But you know what so
is sex and lies and in the in the video
something wasn't Matthew Modine in that sex size in video tape? Yeah,
James Spader, thank you Thanjames Spader. Jeane Shallatt's here, everybody,

(01:27:59):
Oh shit. Rick was sent into twenty five years to life,
but in two thousand and three, so more than three
years after her conviction, the Nevada Supreme Court ruled that
the trial was unfair because Judge Bonaventure cool Name had
made two errors. First, he had included an unrelated charge
in the trial. Okay, So basically Rick Tavish had tortured

(01:28:21):
a businessman to get him to like work.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
In his business. Oh, which is fun. It's one way
to do it, and he allowed.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
So basically they were tried together, but she was tried
he was being tried for other stuff at the same time.
So they shouldn't have been tried together, is when they
were arguing. And then also that our friend James Brown's
statement about the will. They couldn't say that because the
jury should have been considered as an offering insight and
obinion state of mine, and not evidence as Sandy wanting

(01:28:53):
him dead something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
It's not yeah, him saying it doesn't mean it's going.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
To happen, right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
And then as for the burking testimony, several experts are
called to testify that the marks on his chest were
probably just dermatitis or even skin cancer or even a
burn from a cigarette, rather than buttons being pressed into
the skin. So then on November twenty third, two thousand
and four, the jury acquitted Sandy and Rick of the murder.
Wow Rick stayed in prison on extortion charges until twenty ten,

(01:29:25):
where he remained looking like our friend Will Ferrell.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
And he's here tonight, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
My goodness. Okay, so so they're out. So if Ted
Binyon hid millions in and around his Las Vegas home,
all of which went hid. He hid fucking money out
rasure trasier, all of which went missing after his death.
It's a roomor to be buried on the property under

(01:29:54):
odd mounds in the front and backyards. And that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
That's the the murder of Ted Binyon.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Oh my god, gat there are so many things to
love in that story, but the fact that he went
out having buried money is it makes me love him
more than.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
I've ever loved anyone in my family.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
That's the best. Yeah, He's like, enjoy yourself from the
next fifty Yeah, trying to find my do balloons. Yeah,
have fun with it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Fucking love it, yeah, nyah, fun with your murder?

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Beyant.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
All right, do we have time for I think we
do have town. I think you're it's still you. I
think we should start twenty eighteen fresh, Are you sure?

Speaker 6 (01:30:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Too much pressure, yeah, way too much pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Okay, Well, we're gonna just tell you a couple, and
I know a lot of you know this already. It's
yelling won't help. Here's a couple of rules. You can't
be so drunk that you can't tell your own story.
Buzz is fine, but you have to be able to
deliver her. It's good when it's local, as people want
to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
About stuff that's happened about it. We don't care. God
that your voice.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
I hope you're in the theater because your voice was
clear as a bell.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
It is amazing. What are there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Any other rules?

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Uh no, it's fucking killing. We have the lights come
up just a tiny bit, if that's possible. Karen's picking, so.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
I have not with this.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Blue and the blue shirt. Yes, yeah, blue, Yeah, need
to thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
That's good. With the lights.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Oh my god, Look how big this room is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Huh what?

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Why did you run over here?

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
It's crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
Who is it?

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
Where that way to this?

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
Don't bring a bunch of people. Just get out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Do you see this? Come on?

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
You guying?

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Did you see I didn't see the person? She's over there?
Uh Hi, I'm not sure. Oh here we go, there
I go?

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Sorry, good funny?

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
What's Sarah?

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Sarah and Brenda. Brenda, Brenda, Yes, then go okay, what's
your story? Oh my god, where are you from?

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
We are from sorry, we're from.

Speaker 6 (01:32:24):
The state of Jefferson, if anyone knows where that is
in northern California. Okay, in a small town called way Rika.
Oh yeah, okay, and our hometown murder is none other
than your favorite Jodieers, who Jody.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
Oh shit, oh shit is right because she We We're
from a kind of large family.

Speaker 6 (01:32:53):
We have four brothers, three of which have had sexual
relations with one or more.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Of the oh two two two of the areas.

Speaker 6 (01:33:05):
So anyway, so I'll let you tell the story because
you actually wrote the hometown, the email, the email, So okay,
you know more than I do.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
I can, I can. I cannot believe this is happening
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
This is so surreal, So stand up and just appear everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Your name, My name is Brenda, and yes, I did
write an email about Jody. Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
Our brother Buzz dated Jody his sophomore year of high school.
They were together less than a year. And if you
watch the trial of Jody, she talked about how she
wanted Travis to come back to Wayreka and they were

(01:33:57):
going to go up to this area in Wyreka called Greenhorn. Well,
we lived right next to Greenhorn. And she actually did
that shit with our brother.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Whoa Yes, like obsessive, like like like stock just teenage,
just teenage.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
They were dating, they were teenagers.

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
They would take a blanket camera, go up, Oh, we're
gonna go hiking up on the trails of Greenhorn.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
They would go up there and do that. Do we
do what? Specifically sexual stuff? Probably fingering.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Right, And.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
I don't think my brother ever tied her up to
a tree like she wanted Travis to do.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
But so it was like that was her pattern, was
like doing that thing. Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
And then after they broke up, she was still very
much infatuated with our brother.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Uh huh. She would go out of way to see him,
talk to him whatever. Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:35:05):
Our brother Buzz is now married to her cousin. They've
been married for ten years. They have four beautiful children together.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Yes, it's a small town, A small town, okay, well, okay, Tony.

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
Tony is two years older than Buzz. He's kind of
a dirt bag.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
And being a.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Small town.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
Here, there was several girls that both Buzz and Tony
slept with throughout high school, you know, and I think
that was part of the reason, Like Jody connected with
Tony because she wanted to make Buzz jealous. That kind
of thing, bad, bad, bad stuff, you know. After high school,

(01:35:57):
after teenage years. Two thousand and eight, Jody moved away
from Wayrika. She was doing the whole she had met
Actually she met Travis here in Las Vegas in two
thousand and six, so it kind of comes full circle.

(01:36:18):
Two thousand and eight, she's moving from Las Vegas, you know,
mace Arizona. She's kind of going all over, but she
always comes back to Wyreka to see her family and
our brother Joel. He he has he's a tattoo artist.

(01:36:41):
He has a tattoo shop right next to a restaurant
that Jody's parents have there in Wyrika, and they become acquaintances,
talk to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
Jody's very drawn to Joel because of the history with our.

Speaker 5 (01:36:57):
Family and because he's he's artist. But Joel never screwed
Jody ever, I swear he didn't. But she did start.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Dating his roommate.

Speaker 5 (01:37:10):
And this was literally during the time where she was
coming back and forth and actually the roommate was asked
to testify or give a statement. All those pictures of
Jody were you know, she's here in Wyrika and like
the roommate was on those.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Oh god, yeah, like that's that's how close it us.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
But anyway, so.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Joe and my other brother.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
So Jody.

Speaker 5 (01:37:44):
There the roommate. Okay, Jody's dating the roommate. She comes
to Wyreka. The roommate and Joel and Jody go, they're
hanging out, they're going out. They go to the one
bar in Wayrika, and for some reason, Jody is very
much gravitated towards our brother and.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
She was going to stay the night at their apartment
that they shared, and.

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
Joel's like, Okay, are you going to stay blah blah blah,
and she's like, no, I have to go back to Arizona.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
I have to go to a funeral.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Whoa before.

Speaker 5 (01:38:26):
Yeah, well, she says, I have to go back to
a funeral because my really good friend he was just murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (01:38:36):
And of course Joel he's like, whoa wow, oh my gosh,
I'm so sorry, Like that's that's horrible, you know, and
she's like, yeah, he was brutally murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
She gives graphic details of he was stabbed.

Speaker 5 (01:38:52):
They think it was somebody he knew, blah blah blah.
I had to give DNA, like the police questioned me,
like I just got back from being interrogated. And of
course my brother he's like, are you a suspect? And
she's like, no, no, this is just protocol. She's they're
just you know, you know, talking to everybody who you know,

(01:39:14):
close friends, blah blah blah. And my brother he's he's like,
oh my gosh, I'm just so sorry, you know, no, no, no,
And she's like, you know, I don't want to talk
about it anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
And Curio.

Speaker 5 (01:39:27):
And so she starts dancing and she's like I want
to I want to sing karaoke and he's like okay,
And so she gets up. Jody fucking areas just about
to go to her funeral for her good friend Travis,
and she gets up and she sings Patsy Kleine crazy

(01:39:51):
crazy crazy, that's amazing, Like, wow, yeah, she fucking sings
crazy am I. Two weeks later, she was arrested in California.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
Like a good friend. She lives in that house.

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
My sister in law is her cousin. It's fucking small
town way Rika.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
Guys, girls, great job, great job, I know you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Hate that girl.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
That was amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
Yeah, shot a monster. Just that was some high level
sister smack talking. That was you don't want to be
the ex girlfriend at that Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Oh shit, that was fun.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
This is this was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
The first show of our twenty eighteen tour. We're so
fucking like, oh my god, and.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
You guys, it's such a We love doing this so much.
But the idea that we put to gets on sale
and then they sell out so fast people get angry
at us. Is the most exciting thing that's ever happened
in our lives. Thank you so much for forgetting the tickets,
for waiting for you know, spending lots of money and everything.

(01:41:15):
We are so so grateful that this podcast gets to
bring us here with you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
We love it the live shows. The live shows are
the most fun. So thanks for being a part of
it tonight, you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
Guys, and thank you for screaming for the longest any
audience has ever screamed for us at the Yeah Las Vegas,
Las Vegas, Nevada, Stay Sexy and Joe. Thanks you buy