537 - Live at the Paramount Theatre (Seattle Night 2) - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Mmmm what so see we went low and then we

(00:46):
went up really high. Yeah you maybe see this.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Thank you so much, Thank you, thanks guys, thank you.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Second And she was here last night anyone, nobody, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
You were, Oh my god. I had the best time,
so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
It was so fun and we're if you paid attention
last time. Last night, my dress was starting to rip
in the back. And guess what, it's gotten bigger. It
feels so much better.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Dress whole watch ninety nine. We're gonna watch this hole
grow bigger and bigger all night long.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
You know what, don'ty grows?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
God, let me say one weird Freudian slip at the
top of the show.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
For God's sake, do you know why I've eaten so
fucking well in this city that this dress doesn't fit?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I had one of those burritos today that we were
talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
What's it from? It's from Matador?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yes, yeah, holy shit, you chase good shit.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
And then I had a fucking lobster roll right before
we had to come in here and I had to
put this dress on.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
So I was just like, you're working against your own dress.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's like we're coming towards the end of the tour
and like all the things that I would like prepping
for in the beginning, like fake tan and I'm going
to make sure it white in my teeth and I
got to make sure my dress is fit and blah
blah blah, Like I just fucking have like goodbye at
that point. At this point, no, it's just like what
am I ordering when I get back.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
To the hotel. That's right, room service.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
More lobster rolls follows. I have to say, you know,
we went down by the beautiful harbor and looked at
the clipper ship. I don't know, there's a bunch of
boats down there and stuff, and it's it was such
a gorgeous day today, like unbelievably gorgeous. And then that
area is so gorgeously there's a man walking behind us
and we stopped to look at you know, down the

(02:43):
down the view where the big U S Wheel is
and shit.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I don't know you're the one that lives here, Paris wheel.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Thank you. And then this guy stopped behind us and
I was like, oh, this guy is following us, and
it's like no, no, no, everybody likes the view, Karen, everybody.
He's got a camera. He's from somewhere else, like reason
for that exact same reason did you go on that?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Would you go in the Paris Wheel?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Vincent? I were debating that for some reason while we
were looking about it.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's scary.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's scary, like I don't mean to see that high.
I can see from like the third floor of the
hotel that it's pretty fucking amazing without being terrified.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
It's so high, it's so high. And also those things
snap off and roll into the sea all the time,
all the time. Absolutely sick of that shit.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
And then like that is Karen Stance from here on.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
God, I'm mad about it that and you know what,
it's a nice harbor. Smells too much like fish. I'm sorry,
I have one note, get rid of that fish smell.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Speaking of fish smells, this is my favorite. So that's
Argia Heart Star's Karen Kill Gary, thank you you're Seattle.
I was gonna tell, oh, you know what's playing at
this theater coming up, but we'll show you probably, But

(04:12):
also Rocky Horror Picture Show. Oh shit, I feel like
it's like hollow Grounds more than like when we did
what's that one place we did in Nashville. Oh the
g I'm like whatever. But then I'm like, Rocky Horror
here so exciting.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I wish I could time travel back to my twelve
year old self, where Rocky Horror played every Saturday night
a Plaza theater in Pedaluma. I think we're we're that
That theater is in a it's in a book or something.
They did it for a really long time. But I
wish I could just go back as an old crone
and whisper in my twelve year old ear. I was like,
it just is this over and over again until you die.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
This is the best.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
You're going to keep on hearing this song, that song
by the Cure. You're going to keep on like it's
all the same. It just keeps repeating. Have you lost
your my mind? Look? That's been our best?

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah? We really are? Are we?

Speaker 4 (05:06):
We are?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
We try? Who knows?

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Look, hey listen, Oh I have another question. I don't
know why I'm asking all these questions, like the Ferris
feel one, but I was taking a bath in the
hotel and I.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Was like, is this gross?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
When most people take a bath a separate bathtub from
a shower.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'm not a fucking monster.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
I would never I never like combine the two but
when there's like a separate bathtub, I'm like, yes, and
I get so excited and I get in the bath
and I'm like, who else has been in here? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
They have to clean.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
It, right, they do, But then I also ask how
much bleach is in there when I'm getting in.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Bleach is great for exzema, though, so we I.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Swear I don't want to talk about ezema anymore. It's
very weird though, because we are psychically connected. Because I
also tried to take a bath to day. Oh okay, yes,
and I actually switched it over from the because it
is a very nice bath. Yeah, we're very lucky to
have the best batstubs in the business. But I switched
it over to the like handspray thing, and I was

(06:08):
just like, yeah, get rid of this bleach. It must
be bleach everywhere.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I am not worried about bleach. I'm worried about other
people's skin cells. One time I got out of the
baptob and I had someone else's body glitter on me,
and I, Yes, That's when I knew you.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Don't have to be upset about that, though, because that
was just a kindergarten teacher. I've told this story on
the show before. But my sister has been a kindergarten
teacher for thirty years, and she she's like, here's how
you know I'm a kindergarten teacher. I just sneezed and
glitter came out of my nose. Just part of the
job as it.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
You see two seats empty and go, what fight did
they get in on the way here?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
What was the argument about?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Also, I see those two seats and I'm like, those
are totally my tickets. When I'm not the one on
the stage Mike out there, I'm like, okay, sorry, I'm
twenty nine minutes late. You don't have to be mad
at me all the time.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Oh my god, you guys. If they calm and like
quietly walk in, let's all like yell something at them.
At the same time, it's all like, let's.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Plan, Frank, I want to show show your dress.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
It's the mayor of Seattle. Oh, here's my dress and
it has pockets.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah I love this one two two of them, two
in the front at least two.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
None of those butt pockets on a dress like you hate.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
And we have accidental matching sequence, like.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Oh what yes, that's right, Oh we sorry we were
having a listen, can't we just have one minute and
one meeting in front of you. We are very excited
because we do have a little tiny surprise for you tonight.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
There is a special guest here that we is part
of the Fit, not Stephen. Now you've got his guests
feel really fucking bad. Yeah, so good job. We who
is part of my favorite murder family from the very
beginning that we just absolute and.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
He's he's a voluntary part of my favorite murder family,
just began to make things for us. Is so perfect.
We love him so much. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Nick Terry.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
You pointed over there.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
I pointed to that person, but I don't know where
it's coming from.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Half half yeah, look at him going, oh my god,
he looks like he would draw Nick Terry's animation.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
That's hi, he's perfect casting. Nick Terry, come here.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's so good to see you have people recognized you
here tonight not tonight, No, oh.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
You guys, the last night the audience was better.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
A couple last night at the very end isn't so exciting?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
I never know what to say. Have you seen m
F animated tattoos in the.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Wild, not in person, but I've gotten some photos over all. Right,
can someone really quickly run out get a fucking quick
MF animated Vince? Actually, I was thinking Vince and I
could get If Vince and I had to get a
couple's tattoos, I could get his MFM animated for some
reason on my stomach and.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
He could get mine because that's where the nipple is.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, we want to thank you for being part of
the family and just we're such big fans.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Oh, I'm so honored to be able to participate in
this wool thing.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Quick everyone.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
I feel like Nick Terry is the perfect Seattle citizen
to interact with. He's the perfect representation of like chill,
insanely talented, not a dick, and loves the rain.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Do you love the rain? That's true? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Absolutely, Well, we love you, thank you for everything, and
we just wanted to get you up here so people
could put their eyes on you and then buy you
coffee the next time they see you.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
So much. I love that you just pointed in that
general direction.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
It's just like someone standing over Marcus. That's a sorry, Marcus,
I don't have my classes on. Well is it, sit.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Down, sit downtime, Come on, here we go.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
I just remembered I didn't print up one email. Oh no,
that's fine, overcited off the top of my e.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Is it going to ruin? This is the story? Room
is the night? Should we just end this?

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I think we should end it right now? And thanks
so much, speech speech speech.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
We got our table back. We accidentally had a short
table recently.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
I mean, the challenges that we've seen on this chores
so hard.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Like do I take a bath? Or do I not
take a bath?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
It's really hard.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Who are we?

Speaker 1 (10:53):
It' spent ten years and now we've we're the biggest
deep bathtime divas of all time? Thank you, thanks for
supporting that.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Who's first?

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Okay, I'll tell them about what we're doing to know.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yes, I don't even remember how this is a This
is a little speech that we like to give because oftentimes,
you guys, we've been touring and coming to Seattle for
since we started touring. You guys were like the third
stop I think we ever made, and unlike Portland, you
didn't get shitfaced and throw up in the aisle.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
That sounds like a challenge.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
It is.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
I'm kind of trying to start to pick up the
rivalry tonight when Portlander is out there like crying. But
we just want to tell anybody who there's plenty of
people that the people who listen to this podcast forced
to come to live shows, which is cruel and selfish,
but we'll talk about that later. The people who are forced,

(11:51):
we call you drag alongs, and we just give you
a little speech at the top, because you will not
know what's happening. A lot of this is like going
to your friends college reunion or some ship where everyone's
like remember that one time, and it's like, no, I don't,
and this is boring, right. Also, we just want to
tell you or explain a little bit. This is a
true crime comedy podcast. And we started this podcast because

(12:15):
Georgia and I met and we realized that we have
similar trauma and we cope with it in similar ways
through you More, I won't stop missing. Yeah, it started
as humor. Now I'm saying you more. Now, no one
knows what's going on, but at least I think it's funny.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
That's the point.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
We cope with it through humor, and we cope with
it through reading true crime stories. We don't know why.
You don't know why. It's just how it is with us.
And we don't think murder's funny. We think we're funny. Ultimately,
if you don't like it, you can get the fuck out.

(12:55):
That was a big That was a big one.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
My my friend Carrie someone better text me today. We
were texting about, you know, she's gotten a car accident.
She's stressed out. I did this happened? And I said,
it's probably not helping that I'm listening to a book
about Columbine. And she goes, how are we going to
get you into sexy dragons? Like She's like, what is
wrong with you? We need you to get into like
fantasy Georgia.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Jesus fucking Christ. I know it was not even for work.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
I'm just fucking that's my like, that's my bread, your
go to Jesus.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
It feels right. It just feels right.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Sexy dragons. So that's the next that's my next podcast.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Can't force sexy dragons, So that's kind of the worst
way to interact with them. It's got to be natural,
It's gotta be.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Marcus, is this you? He keeps putting g grizz or
g Skillett or g Georgia's do you have a one too?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
No, he doesn't like me.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
It's fine. I like it.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
It's always different.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
And I'm finally paying attention noticing but eight cities in
great I first listening a great time.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
It says here you're going first.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Mollie's like, you're so stupid that I know that even
though I text you this afternoon, you're going to forget,
which I did.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Look, listen, Okay, I gotten not stop, I'm first, that's right, ight,
okayes it is okay, yeah, really focus and let's be professional.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Starting starting now, first time?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, wait, starting now.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
So, tonight's story that I'm going to tell you is
about a group of four hell raising siblings from Spokane,
which I said, correctly, you sure did I know?

Speaker 1 (14:39):
And also my story was from Spokane last night, and
one of our great listeners who wrote in an email
called it the Sacramento of Washington.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Now you said it not Yeah, we didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
No, we're just reading emails from you.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Don't misplace your anger here, take it elsewhere. And so
this is about for hell raising siblings from so I
Can who probably got away with murder their multiple trials
were huge sensations in the early nineteen hundreds when your
parents were born, but.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
It's mostly been lost to time.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
This is the story of the infamous Douglas sorry McDonald
family's Douglas McDonald, Douglas McDonald, Douglas McDonald family, Stephen.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
We love their hamburgers, we do, okay.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
The main source for the story is a two part
essay from History Link which summarizes a lot of the
old time you reporting. And that article is by Jim Kirshner.
So we're in Spokane and it's mid July of nineteen
nineteen and a woman named Okay, here we go. It's
gonna it's just starting immediately, a woman named Pearl McNutt. Hell, yeah, like,

(15:51):
just right off the bat.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
She will only have nouns in her name only.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yes, So we're already off to the nut races. Yeah,
and it's only going to get worse. And we try
not to work blue, but when we do, we just
go it.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
We just go all in.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Remember the hole in George's dress and the nipple.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Who could forget the nipple?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
So Pearl McNutt walks into a police station and she
claims at her husband a prominent real estate developer named
guess what. William McNutt has been missing for about a month.
So Pearl says that weeks earlier, her husband had gone
over to a local boarding house that's called the Wolverine.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
It's pretty is it still there?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
No?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
What if you're like, I want to open a boarding house,
what should I call it?

Speaker 1 (16:41):
The Sea Wolf?

Speaker 3 (16:43):
No?

Speaker 2 (16:44):
How about sexy Dragons?

Speaker 3 (16:46):
No Wolverine. So mister McNutt went to settle a dispute
over money at the Wolverine. McNutt had loaned someone had
loaned the startup cash to open the hotel to four siblings,
and now they're not repaying the loan is agreed, and
Pearl hasn't seen her husband since you went to try
to collect the money that they owed him weeks earlier,

(17:08):
which I guess doesn't get lost in translation that you
wouldn't go like two days later, whatever.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
But think about what Laura Ingalls Wilder would have done
and how long it would have taken her to do that.
First of all, you have to go ask pau and
then you have to go down to missus Olsen's corner
store and get some supplies.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
And it's nineteen nineteen, so she's not used to like
making her own decisions, not like like us now, right.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
But you just said, but it's nineteen ninety, I.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Said nineteen nineteen.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Oh, my mistake, because it was pretty fucked up in
nineteen nineteen ninety as well.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's always sucked okay.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
So oh and then Ali, my researcher, wrote, no to Georgia,
there are three Williams in this story, so my hands
are tied. I have to refer to him as McNutt,
as if she doesn't know me and know that I
would do that anyways, no matter how many Williams we
were discussing.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
There's Bill, there's will there's Willie, there's Billy.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
There's Jess McNutt, there's McNutt and I there's b nuts
with a Z at the end.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
So the Wolverine is owned and operated by the McDonald's siblings, Marie, Fay, Ted,
and Will another fucking William. They're all in their early
twenties to early thirties, and fay is the youngest at
around twenty years old. The McDonald's are an interesting bunch.
Their father, who has been dead for about two years,
was a judge, but not a respected one. He had

(18:36):
never been an attorney, and he had just been elected
as judge as a populist candidate. Hey, you go decide
everyone's fake because you're charismatic.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I don't know, you drink a lot with people in
bars and stuff. I mean, like, how do you do
that where it's like, you know what, Let old McNutt decide.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
And he had made a lot of big promises, had
a lot of charisma, but it was ultimately just a scammer,
and so he's left his kids behind. As soon as
he had been elected, he hired three family members to
be bailiffs.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
You you you an epotism. Yep, it's really bad up here.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
One of which was his son Will, who was twelve
years old at the time. So Will the twelve year
old bailiff. That is an MFM animated sketch. Yeah, Will, Will.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
It wouldn't that be amazing if you make Nick do it?
Live like behind us Chus forever quick sketches.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
He also starts having his daughter Fay, his youngest daughter,
preach on the evangelical circuit when she's eight years old.
Oh thats who I want to hear fucking about Jesus
from as if you.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
But think about it, it's eerie, creepy, creepy, right, because
you know, she's like one of those old souls that
talks like an adult as an eight year old. And
then she's like, guess what Jesus said, And you're like, oh, no,
the weird child told me what God said, Like you
would absolutely fall for it, not you, but we one
would one would love it.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Sure, I can see that.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
So in nineteen fifteen, four years before McNutt goes missing,
a fire breaks out at Marie's house and at the time, Marie,
one of the siblings, is around twenty years old and
she has just gotten divorced from a man another William
William Wilkinson.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Please get him out of the family. There's too many bills.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Nope. No, it gets worse because he's described as a
street railroad man, which we think means he either drove
a street car or works on Spokane's trolley network in
some capacity we don't know. But the fire is set
at Marie's house. Actually, here's a photo of Marie and Faye.
What a gorgeous photo.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Hey, what did she do?

Speaker 3 (20:43):
She's about to sing or sneeze.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
She's actually like, I can't believe this fucking guy's going
to take a picture of us right now. But doesn't
it kind of looks like that's Fay and that's Marie
just by the length of the names down there can't read.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yes, you're right. But also the younger sister is always
the taller one though, so.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Maybe you know, and more beautiful, smartest one.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Hey, but also so doesn't Marie kind of look like
two children in an overcoat?

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Oh, and not to body shame, that's not my style.
But let's make sure that they pay for all their
movie tickets. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Structurally, yes, it's not body shaming, okay, structure.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
It's more of shape shaming.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Right, So, there's a fire at Marie's house. When the
fires put out, the fire marshals immediately notice some fishy
things going on at Marie's house. To start with, all
the shades are drawn and tack down to the windowsills
so no one can see into the house tacked, which
also sounds like you're just making drugs.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, you know, it's very methy but in nineteen nineteen, right.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Secondly, all of the furniture had been moved out of
the house before the fire started, and and well, you
know what, good luck. Yeah, and there's little pedals of
maybe kerosene here and there, so that this looks suspicious
the fire. Marshall also finds out that Marie had recently

(22:17):
taken out an insurance policy worth fifteen hundred what happened
fifteen hundred dollars for the personal property in the house
that wasn't in the house anymore.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Uh oh, yeah, they're trying to get that fifteen hundred dollars,
which in today's money fifteen hundred from nineteen nineteen ninety fifteen.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
That's going to make a huge difference.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, that's that's going to change my data quite a bit.
As I calculate, let me calculate, I literally always just guess,
like is it thirty seven thousand dollars forty eight?

Speaker 2 (22:49):
That's so close though.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
That was pretty close for me. I usually like to go,
that's okay.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
So nice, Like all the drag alongs are, I was like,
what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Why did they clap for her?

Speaker 3 (23:02):
She was wrong?

Speaker 1 (23:03):
So wrong?

Speaker 3 (23:05):
That's actually close in today's podcasting, that's.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Very today's money.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Nice. Thank you clapping because we're wrong is kind of
the theme of this podcast. And he's right right, it's.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
The fun of it.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
That's the fun of it.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Are they disagreeing right now?

Speaker 1 (23:22):
They're agreed, I don't disagree at the same time. That's
what they're like up here.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Okay. The fire marshal notes that all of Marie's belongings
are worth about a third of what she's claiming that
they're worth, even though they're not even there. So she's
charged with arson and her bailists said at about two
thousand dollars do you want to or shoul we g
thirty seven thousand?

Speaker 1 (23:42):
That's less than I said, same as last same number iceanicked.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Sixty four, just keep going thirty seven.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
I'm just sorry because I was kind of caught up
thinking about my sister used to have my grandfather's chest
of drawers that she kept in Nora's room just to
keep it away, And the fucking thing was so heavy
that when we tried to move it out when she
got nor new furniture, it was like eight people had
to come over. So yeah, someone in Marie's household had
to carry out the shift aroad and the fucking fainting.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Couch, and I mean every single and the neighbor's in
snitch apparently, So she's bailed out of this this arrest
by none other than William McNutt.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
The crooked judge.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Who, No, that's their parent, their dad, Oh okay, William
and mcnut's the one who went missing earlier eight hours
ago in the beginning of the story.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Oh god, it got out.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
So since he had been.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Friends with the fathers, he's still close with the kids
and kind of looks after them a little, it seems like,
in their early adulthood, including bailing her out, and this
seems to be a mistake as he goes missing because
of it. One more weird detail about this arson chapter
is that five days after the arson and six months
after Marie's divorce from the street railroad man, William just

(25:02):
you can just guess, William, and it's you're right, it's
Benuts he marries Marie.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Remember you were like, we should just get rid of him.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
We would. He married Marie's fifteen year old sister, Fay instead,
So we can't get rid of this guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
She was fifteen.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah, well maybe not that, but pretty fucking young, pretty young,
like twenty there.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
I would love to turn her onto Korean skincare it
is a life changer. It's a fucking life changer. Go
to TJ Max, change your own life. I swear to God.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Now you can tell they didn't have it back then.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
They did not. It's all just one burlap sack that
the whole town shared.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Break it off, Marie. So basically there's a court. They
go to court and in the end there's a hung
jury and the judge declares a mistrial, and so the
prosecutor chooses not to charge Marie again. So she got
away with this arson. So between the fire nineteen fifteen

(26:02):
and nineteen nineteen, when McNutt disappears, the McDonald's wind up
opening the Wolverine, this boarding house using funding from McNutt.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
But that was a bad idea to do.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
You can just keep saying that usually through all these stories.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, that's everything's a bad idea, bad idea. So Pearl,
the wife Pearl McNutt, who has three children with McNutt,
it says Jesus she when she's sang to the police
that she can't find her husband. She says that he
had gotten into an argument with the McDonald's siblings who
had said that if he came back to the wolverine again,

(26:41):
they would shoot him. And so weeks later, Pearl's like,
he went back and I haven't seen him.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, And the Detective's like, let me think about this
for a little while.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, everyone's just going to take some time. That's not
to rush any fucking judgment. Pearl also tells the police
that all four McDonald's siblings are now missing themselves. So
what's more, when police look into the case, they quickly
realize that Fay had shipped all of her belongings to
Los Angeles under a fake name. Yeah. So at this point,

(27:15):
the fact that alf McDonald's are missing, police are entertaining
the idea that Marie has actually run off with McNutt,
not that they shot him as they said they would
when if he ever came back.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
But Okay, he.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Might be under her coat. Maybe that's what That's what
I'm seeing.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
So a prol goo that does what any person would
do and goes to a psychic, a local psychic named
Selma Armor. That's a good psychic, name's great, and she
says that McNutt has been murdered and his body is
buried on a ranch.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
That's her premonition.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
This is backed up when an anonymous tipster calls the
Burns Detective Agency in Los Angeles. So at this point
have been looped in on the case since they think
Fay and space and all her stuff to Los Angeles,
or like, let's keep an eye out for the tall one.
This tipster says that McNutt had been killed with a
hammer at the Wolverine in June, a month earlier, and

(28:12):
then they can't identify who this caller is, but they're
pretty sure that it is William Wilkinson, the husband's times
two husband squared who married the sister and then the sister.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Oh yeah, yeah that guy.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah yeah, this is complicated, and I'm back, what are
you thinking about?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
You know, just if those people come, no, not thinking
of jokes to say, I was gonna yell, look at
the mcnuts everybody, and then.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Oh that would have been great.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
They're not here. There's someone here, okay.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
At this point, the Burns Detectives lowcate Fay and her
husband in Los Angeles, but there's no evidence connecting her
to Micknut's disappearance. But that changes in October second, nineteen nineteen,
when the anonymous tips this guy can't stop talking, calls
detectives and tells them where mcnutt's body can be found.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Okay, this person was clearly at the murder, right, witnessing,
perhaps a journalist of some kinds.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Right, and can't stop feeding them information and they're like, okay,
here is like get sending them a map or like
like a map quest.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Of he's dropping a pin for these motherfuckers and it
is not working.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Finally, the tipster tells the Spokane police that McNutt is
buried on his own ranch. Remember when the psychic there's
just so many arrows that nobody's looking at. Yeah, because
remember when the psychic was like, he's buried on a ranch,
and they're like, not his own ranch, it's his own ranch.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
It's his ranch. Oh, I thought you meant. The guy
that was giving the tip was like, it's buried on
my ranch. And I'm like, that tipster is not good
at giving tips, so you might as well just come
and get me now I'm being anonymous.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, So the tipster actually gives specifics and he said
that Will McDonald the brother, had been the one to
actually kill McNutt, and he buried him in a four
foot hole on the ranch and then made a bonfire
over the spot to cover up the newly turned earth,
so clearly this person was there, right yeah. Investigators quickly

(30:16):
find the burned area and start digging. Soon they find
the edge of a blanket and they realize it's wrapped
around a body. Pearls on the scene and identifies her husband,
William McNutt, and his skull has been hit multiple times
with the blunt objects.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Just as the tipster had said.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah it was a hammer, right.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, it seems like it.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
At this point, the Spokane police telegraph Los Angeles police
and they arrest three of the four McDonald's siblings, Marie
Fay and this is what they were in Ted, I'm
gonna burp.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
What was Ted like? Do you think? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Keep asking me? Was I bet?

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Ted was just kind of like the younger brother, he's
a fuck up.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Actually, I'm just describing House of Guinness right now. That's
why my brain went.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
I've been watching that too.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
It's good, right, yeah, yeah, thank you, you're welcome time.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Sorry about the red bull smell.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Red bull and lobsterl ew guys, that's why why is
that your your city treat? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Now, it's actually my signature sent.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
The cats will love you.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
It gives you fins. That's so lobsters don't have food there,
thank you. Okay.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
But they can't track down the fourth sibling, William, because
he's Williams and that, as you recall, is the one
who was said actually killed and buried McNutt. So he's
kind of the one that they want the most, and
they can't find him. And in late October nineteen nineteen,
the remaining three McDonald's siblings are extradited to Spokane and

(31:57):
charged with mcnutt's murder. The McDonald Oh yeah, I was
a picture, Oh she conas do you see Charlie XCX
right there right?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
And that must be Lord.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Then you cannot argue with those eyebrows though, and they
are just just devastating brows. Yeah, those are not even yeah,
from one hundred and some odd years ago, right wow.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Okay, So that's them there and going to a trial.
And so basically the trial begins in January of nineteen
twenty and will McDonald still isn't located. The sibling story
has changed and just keeps changing. Marie says that McNutt
had come to the Wolverine and had physically attacked her,
and that Fay, her sister had tried to protect her,

(32:46):
and then Will, the brother had bursts dramatically into the room.
At that point, there's two Wills. Now, at that point
McNutt had drawn a gun. So the victim had drawn
a gun and fired at least twice, missing Will, and
that Will had beaten them on the head with a
hammer and self defense, and the siblings back that up.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Okay, it's just the whole hammer part, right, is a
little violent, right. And also, weren't there multiple contusions if
I must.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, And you know what, there weren't bullet holes anywhere. Yeah,
So because you'd be like, well, why don't we just
immediately get the cops and be like it was self defense.
See there's a bullet hole in a bullet hole, And
it was like, oh, there aren't any that's right, So okay,
that's not going to work. And so there are a
lot of holes in the story except there aren't any hole.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I was like trying to think that was great.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
And the other thing that's weird is the day after
this happens, Marie had tried to pay for some hosiary hosiery.
Hosiery either one in a department store with a check
from mcnutt's check book. So that's not great. I like,
just don't do that, he said I could, right.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
So Thirdly, the day after McNutt first went missing, someone
asked Fay, one of the sisters, where he was and
she answered that he had gone fishing. He's gone fishing,
which is like And then also they drive out of
town when they leave for Los Angeles in mcnut's car,
So not the best plan.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
They're flippant, they're stealing his stuff. Yeah, they still have
all their furniture.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Right, and their hammer.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
It's the beginning of the Beverly Hillbillies. Shit.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
So despite all these holes, the fact that McDonald's, the
McDonald's tell a story of self defense and that they
say that it was actually the brother who did the deed. Anyways,
who isn't here, all three McDonald's, Marie, Fay, and Ted
are found not guilty. Oh but they're all rearrested and
recharged the next day for forgery and for trying to

(34:54):
pass that check, for stealing the car, just for doing stupid.
I'm not telling you how to commit a crime. You
shouldn't commit a crime. Don't commit a crime.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
But when you do, right, leave the car in the
guy's garage, right, and this in the end, the sisters
are found guilty, uh and Ted is found not guilty.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
So the sisters appeal their cases. They're let out of
jail on bond, which is a big mistake because they
fucking's good at all.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I'm not gonna told you that. Now there's like a
three kids in a coat, like they're like, we got
to get out of.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Here, put that coat on. This is this, okay, spoken
detective is sent to track them down, which like had
to be the most exciting like thing of his life.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Right, it's on his suspenders, he's on his coat, in
a ring coat over it.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Hey, Like how fun. He's sent to track her, track
them down. He tracks Fae to Tampico, Mexico. So this
is like exotic for him. Now he's living his life,
and I mean, this is up, but probably a little
bit jarring to his system. Sure, yeah, you gotta think
he finds her. I'm just picturing the fucking noir movie

(36:14):
in my head right now.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Of it.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
It's so it's just so good, I'm never gonna write it.
He finds her at a dance hall, known to be
popular with American women, called Madame Rossi's yeah take me
there in nineteen nineteen twenty.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Back then the Italians were even more potent than they
are now. You know what I mean. Madame Rossi was
doing it.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yes, But as soon as the detective walks into the
dance hall, he overhears a woman say quote, I'm tired
of it. I give anything to get out of this
place and go back home end quote. And he turns
around and realizes it's actually Fay, the person who's tracking
you walked right into Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
So she doesn't even want to be there, and.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
He's like, to do that voice for the rest of
the story, just fyi.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
He buys her a drink and eventually gets do identify himself.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
No, it's terrible.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Even so he buys her a drink and he's like,
you're Fae, right, and she's like, yes, I don't want
to be here. But Spokane can't get Spokane police can't.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Get Fae extradited.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
And it's not until months later when she willingly crosses
the border into Beaumont, Texas. Because that she's finally arrested,
so they just like waited her out. In nineteen twenties
Mexico and to come home and it worked.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah. She serves three years in prison in Walla, Walla
and then moves to Saint Louis, where she lives a
tall but relatively quiet life. I don't even know that
was her anymore? Was she the tall one?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
They're both the tall one.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I think Marie, I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
No, how can you expect us to remember these things?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Listen?

Speaker 3 (37:48):
In nineteen forty four, twenty.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Five years, oh, twenty five years? Can which is? Which
is how many? In today's you're forty seven?

Speaker 3 (37:57):
It's right. In nineteen forty four, twenty five years after
or William mcnutt's murder, the Spokane County Sheriff talks about
the efforts to find will and Marie because they never
found those two siblings to bring them to justice, saying, quote,
the search is gone from Havana, Cuba to Petersburg, Alaska,
but we haven't.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Caught up with Will.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
It's also like you guys had so much fun looking
for them in Havana, Cuba and Petersburg, Alaska.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
They say, we were reasonably sure he was in Havana
in nineteen twenty four, but the Cuban authorities failed to
arrest him, saying that he wasn't the right man.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
That sounds passive aggressive.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
In nineteen twenty eight, we had reason to believe he
was running whiskey between Key West and Havanah, but again
he slipped away before he was arrested. End quote. Will
and Marie are never found oh and never brought to justice.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
And that is the story.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Of the infamous McDonald's siblings and the sad technically unsolved
murder of Will McNutt.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Wow, that's swell McNutt.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Fairy is it's a terrible photo.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Sorry, And that that's from his instagram.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Your son, Yeah, that's he's got that filter on it.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
The FaceTime.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I love the historical Uh yeah, what happened?

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Oh, thank you says and gentlemen, thank you, thank you
so much.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
You got it.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
It's that email we were talking about earlier.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
They're still not here, is that?

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Okay? Great job?

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
It's fun to do historical and imagine and think about
all the things you don't know about from history.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Like all the things that are lost.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Also, you were talking about like the story started in
nineteen nineteen, and I immediately was like, that's from Laura
Inglesfields or time.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Just anything an when it is Laura, I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
I'm eighteen eighteen, seventeen seventy Laura. Are you here tonight?
Ladies and gentlemen, that'd be incredible. What a guest spot
I mean, sorry, Nick.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Terry, that would be a gut.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Are you ready for this?

Speaker 3 (40:18):
I am?

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Okay, this is well. To tell my story tonight, I
had to do a quick refresher on a story you
already told on our podcast. And most of the people
in this room probably don't need this refresher.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
But man, did I probably do?

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Though you the person who told the story the first time. Okay, well,
then let's all talk like we've never heard this before.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
This is one of the Pacific Northwest's most infamous crimes.
It's the case of dB Cooper and the hijacket.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Oh yeah, we know it.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
We love it, We theorize about it. Yes, we say
where did he get those sunglasses? Why can't I have
those sunglasses?

Speaker 3 (41:00):
On?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
And on? What I learned when I was writing this
cold open is that did you know? And you probably
told me this? So the answer is probably yes. That
his name the fake name that the man actually did
he gave was Dave.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Dave.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I know, I fucking know that.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
It's a da man named five.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Hundred episodes, you guys, ten years I would have sworn
it was Dad.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Listen. We try to make it worth your money buying
these tickets by showing you all the mistakes that get
cut out of the episodes.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
So the beauty of the live show as you go see,
it's oh natural, the extra fuck ups.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Okay, so that's episode two seventy two drag alongs if
you want to catch up, but here are the cliffs
notes if not. So. The day before Thanksgiving nineteen seventy one,
a man using fake named you. What name did you say,
Dann You were right? You were right.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
I just saw yeah. Take a victory lap.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Take a full victory lap. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Wow, that feels incredible.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Job, you really did it.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
You take it where you can get it, you know, right, Dave?
Because they didn't have Dave.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
In the seventies.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
There is not long day now. Okay.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
He gets on the two thirty five flight from Portland
to Seattle. Shortly after takeoff, he passes a folded note
to the steward is sitting behind him. They were called that.
Then I think the mcnuts are here. Oh no, oh,
oh they are wrong side. So Dan passes a note

(42:44):
to the flight attendant sitting behind him, and she immediately
takes it and puts it in her purse without reading it.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
That's right, but she thinks he's hitting on her.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
She's like, go away, grossman in sunglasses. This again, he
leans over and says, miss, you better have a look
at that note. I have a bomb. She locks eyes
with him, they fall deep land loss. Actually, what he
does is he opens up her bag and he shows
her what to her looks like four sticks of dynamite

(43:13):
with wires attached. He then dictates his demands to her
as she takes notes, and as he dictates those notes,
they lock eyes and fall madly and lost time. Sorry,
you see this how I waste time In the morning.
I drink a bunch of coffee and I'm like, this
is hilarious. It's like, it's not though. The flight attendant

(43:35):
brings this list to the cockpit. The pilot is apprized
of the situation. He radio Sea TAC air traffic Control,
saying he needs two hundred thousand dollars two sets of
parachutes to be ready when they land in Seattle, and
that when that money comes on board, all the passengers
will be released. And they are. The plane is refueled,
they head back toward Mexico. Dan demands that they lower

(43:58):
the staircase in the plane and the pilot says that's
bad for flying. He says, I don't give a shit.
I know you can do it. Then they do it.
He jumps out of that fucking plane.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
You think he wanted to do like a Frank Sinatra
like step kind of a step thing. I did it.
My whoa.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Sunglasses glide out?

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Okay, there there he is.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
We've been talking about him this whole time. And actually
now those sunglasses are back in fashion, and I just
want all the ladies in here that have those real
narrow cross sunglasses. I want to let you know that,
much like eyebrow blindness from the twenty tens, you're going
to regret those sunglasses. It's not that you're not gorgeous,

(44:49):
it's just that they're so fucking stupid looking. Okay, let
Grandma tell you about fashion. So uh. He jumps out
somewhere near Mount Saint Helens. He has never seen again.
Some people think that that man is Richard Floyd McCoy.

(45:11):
I covered that in episode four thirty eight. Wise, there
are all these plugs for our shows.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
We wish you guys would listen.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
They're like, we literally can't do more for you. But
I tell you all of that tonight because there was
a story in two thousand and eight that very much,
we can say parallels the story of dB Cooper. It's
another heist that happens up here, very similar. Some call
it the modern day D B. Cooper case. This is

(45:42):
the story of the two thousand and eight robbery by
dB tuber.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
What Yeah, I can't believe we haven't talked about never
mind what enough now?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Oh yeahs the chainsaw heist.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Well I do want to talk of that.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I did it. It turns out I did it.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Did you do that? In between tour dates?

Speaker 3 (46:07):
I can't?

Speaker 1 (46:08):
You just you shouldn't talk about it?

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (46:11):
How is that tiera though? Oh amazing. I love the
idea that you're just going to steal the most famous
like jewels in the world and then just be like, sure,
I'll sell them down.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Yeah, someone's gonna wear this crown. The fucking debutante.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
I can probably get fifty grand for this thing.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Did you notice my pearls?

Speaker 3 (46:31):
They are gorgeous. Clutching my pearls.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Everyone, let's clutch those, get ready, because there's a lot
of clutchy moments in my story. The sources for the
Marin News for this story or the twenty fourteen episode
of twenty twenty about it entitled The Almost Perfect Robbery,
a twenty ten article by writer David Kushner for GQ
entitled The All American Bank Heist, and write ups attributed
to the FBI's Seattle Division. Some great writers in Seattle's FBI,

(46:58):
so it's weird read their substat.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
I'm sorry I keep doing this, but one of my
main sources front was Jim Kirshner.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Think they're brothers?

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Do you think they're like, this is David Kushner.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
That never mind you they're half brothers.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
And then you're like, wait, it's Dan Kushner. They're half
brother So to tell the story, first, we have to
meet the man that it all centers around, the dB
Cooper of the story, if you will. He is not
a mystery man. His name is Anthony Cursio and he
is known as the quote Golden Boy of Monroe, Washington.

(47:40):
For sure, sure, yes, for all you out of towners.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Oh well, you guys, it's fucking adorable.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
It's so cute. Keep that up by tell you all
this information. It's a small town on the outskirts of
the Seattle area, population just under twenty thousand according to
the twenty twenty census. You know, or it's one hundred
and fifty foot steam stack, which is the last remnant
of the Carnation milk condensery plant that burned down in
nineteen forty four.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
There she is under mysterious circumstances or just burned around.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
We don't talk about the Carnation milk condensery fire around Monroe, Okay.
It's also the hometown of professional wrestler Yukon Eric Oh
and the Stephen Ray Morris impersonator Benson Boone.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Really yay, Oh, the pride of Monroe, The Pride of Monroe.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Cute.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
He used to go smoke cigarettes on top of that
smoke stack and dream of a day he could have
a mustache.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
I like, I would move there right this very moment
if you ask me too.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Hell yeah, I mean no, the worst.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
You know, don't you saying no, don't you tear talk
bad about Monroe?

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Is it the Orange County of Washington? No worse?

Speaker 1 (49:05):
But they're jealous because they don't have a creamery smoke
star and they never have.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Okay, sorry, I'm not moving there.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
We've all decided you're not going to Okay. So Anthony
is born and raised in Monroe. His parents run a
very successful landscaping business. His dad is a former football
star from the University of Idaho. Basically, basically, basically everyone
in Monroe knows the Cursio family, and like his father Anthony,

(49:38):
when he gets to high school, he becomes a football star.
I think the boys don't have a choice when their
dad is a full rit star, unless, of course, they
get a nosering and then oh my god, time to
join a band. So he's basically this guy is basically
the jock from every teen movie. He's good looking, he
has tons of friends, he's the star wide receipt on

(50:00):
them in row high football team. And just to be
extra corny, he is dating Emily, the captain of the
cheerleading squad.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
They're never dating the cutener.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Look at him. Did you see Anthony Cursio at the
cagar last heat.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Oh my god, it's yeah, it's just what you think
it would be.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
I mean, you know, it's funny because I don't know
if we're like mad at him yet because I don't
know the story.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
So I don't think you have to be mad at it. Okay, great, unless,
of course you're jealous of his beautiful face and a shirt. Okay.
When he graduates, Anthony has offered an athletic scholarship to
the University of Idaho, where his father went. That part
gave me a stomach ache. It's all going so well

(50:48):
for Anthony, but the pendulum must always swing, she must
always swing too much coffee. And then I wrote one
day you're up, next day you're down. That's life. That's
called overwrite, that's called overstaying. You're welcome in the joke.
So he makes it to his sophomore year in college,

(51:11):
and then one day at practice he hears, oh, sorry, glory,
he tears his ACL. But I was saying he hears
himself tear his ACL. Oh, I bet you can't hear
it like a pop and then a fizz and then basically,
for all intents and purposes, his football career is over.

(51:34):
So what happens is that while he is on the mend,
he's prescribed if I get in for the pain, but
he can't play of course, and then he's hanging out
with his friends and he's going to more parties than
he usually goes to, and then the balance shifts. He
will later say, quote, I was depressed that my whole
identity wrapped around sports was gone. Now I was just

(51:58):
a student. I latched onto the painkillers and within a
few prescriptions my football dream was gone. The pills had
me ouch.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Yeah. Fine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
There's so many just just innocent people that had an
injury and their doctor was like, hey, would you like
heroin in a pill? And they're like, oh, I guess
so I mean you're the doctor?

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Yeah boom, Yeah that's horrible.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Okay did someone just yell that happened to my dad?
What's going on? Okay, so this is the early two thousands.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Or did they say that was my dad, like the doctor,
like their dad was the doctor.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Well, we can't talk about your dad right now. I'm
sure he was a wonderful physician, but we have this
fucking show to wrap up. I'm only on page four. Okay,
So when Anthony's vicatin prescription runs out, he gets desperate.

(52:53):
He steals pills out of his friend's medicine cabinets. Who
hasn't he forges prescriptions, which, depending on the drug, can
be a federal crime. So everyone in this yes. And
then inevitably he turns to street drugs, and then soon
his addiction pivots to cocaine. And I know what you're thinking,

(53:14):
He's going to get into day trading and wearing Patagonia
fleece vests all the time.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Straighten it out right.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
But before he goes that far, Anthony admits he's powerless
over that white devil cocaine. And with the love and
support of his family, he gets help with his addiction,
and he does get sober. He graduates from college. Yeah,
I'm sure that's a hard thing to do when you're
on a combination of vicoin and fucking cocaine. Jesus, that's

(53:44):
the first time I took pills. I was like, never
take these again. These are this is too easy, this
is too good. I never did and I never did
another drug again, Mommy. Then he graduates from college. I
said that, moves back to Monroe and marries Emily his
high school sweetheart.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Okay, So, even.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Though Anthony's dreams of the NFL are over, his real
life is very good. Him and Emily have two children.
They earn a good living flipping houses. What if this
was actually the secret story of Chip and Joanna Gaines
And I was.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Just just, oh my god, I'll bring it up like
I would like them so much so the.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Cursios, they drive nast cars. They have a vacation home.
On the surface, Anthony has earned back his status as
Monroe's golden Boy. Is it a big of a deal
to be a golden boy if it's in Monroe? Apparently,
what you're telling us is it's not. But again, being
the golden boy, he gets to go touch the milk

(54:48):
condensery steam stack whenever he wants to. Amazing such it. Okay,
But but two thousand and eight hits and the housing
market crashes and Anthony's entire livelihood goes out the window.
Because as I said, that Pendulum, she will swaying. He

(55:12):
picks up work with his parents landscaping business. It's not
enough to cover his bills. Before long, his family's financial
problems are so enormous that they are actually in danger
of losing their house. Been there, horrifying nightmare. I recommend
starting a podcast with your friend really helps work for us.

(55:34):
Oh thank you guys, by the way, that was you.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
You did it so crazy.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
I literally impoused to lose.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Yeah, yeah, you're like I did that.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Uh okay. So with all those external stressors, Anthony relapses,
but gritly, Emily has no idea. He's he's only in
his late twenties. Oh wow, so he you know, he
thought he was going to live this life and now
it pivots and he's making the best of this life.
And then of course outer life goes Watch watch your step.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Friend, right, don't start roring.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Tell you're like hard forty eight, you know, yeah, like
early yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yeah, there's plenty of chances to do all the things
this guy's about to do.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
It is wild.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Okay. So he's now back to losing everything to his
drug addiction for a second time, and he finds himself
sitting in the parking lot of a Jack in the
box and these are dark times. Yeah, how many times
have you sat in your car quietly in a fast
food parking lot like I'm fu.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
This is it? I'm fu this is fucking this is
rock bottom.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Yeah, And when you're in that situation, I recommend a
sour dough jack because it's simple, it's clean, The flavor
pro file is very satisfying, but you don't have to
think a lot about it.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
No, Lettuce, I fucked up the other day.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
There's a Jack in the box near our office and
I was starving after we recorded and I went through
the drive through.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
It was the biggest mistake.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Did you go crazy with that, like dollar meal or
something where you're.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Because I didn't know what I wanted because I was
starving and I wanted to shove something in my face
and eating a burger in the car isn't going to work.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
So can I guess?

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Yes, chicken strips, chicken nuggets, it's like not even good,
like not even close to real chicken.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
The tacos though, oh.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Stop it, my god, they're out of so fucking good.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
The tacos are like you get to open a little
piece of foil and it's like high school. Yeah, it's
like a cracker. It's like a taco cracker anyway, a
taco cracker with grease poured into it. It's like they
cook them and then open them back up and they're like,
get the orange grease and drip it.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
In, and there's lettuce, so it's healthy.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
There is lettuce, but it's hot lettuce. And that is
a brave choice. It's a brave culinary choice. It was
good when we start our Quee's Cuisine podcast. We are
going to destroy. Okay, reset to where we are. This
is christ This is Jack and a box parking lot,
Dark Knight of the Soul. Anthony is angry for what's

(58:21):
happening with the economy and his family. He's angry at
the banks, and he's right, but he's also angry because
he's on drugs and he is desperate to keep feeding
his addiction at all costs. So what's going on inside
his drug addled mind as he sits in his car
in the parking Jack and linees Jack in the box

(58:42):
parking lot is all that? You know? Whose fault is it?
I'm so angry. And as he's staring out, he watches
a Brinx truck pull up in front the Bank of
America across the street. He watches the Brinks guards hop
out transporting big bags of cash into or perhaps out
of I'm not sure. Allegedly the bank, and this gets

(59:03):
him thinking. He thinks, if I just had one of
those bad shit, all of my problems would be solved.
And here's a quote he later gives about this moment
in his life. He says, quote, I was fucked and
I thought I could fix everything. I just wanted to
be the hero again, Anthony. So if you right now

(59:24):
your only elective in high school is football, go ahead
and take a music class.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Oh yeah, how about it?

Speaker 1 (59:33):
How about some fun writing classes? Just see, just to see.
Let's have several safety nets, please. So when Anthony gets home,
he googles the phrase armored truck for every own.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Oh man, he was just.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Trying to get a little information.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Sure, the more he among us hasn't everyone has that
in their search history?

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Right, but only a few of us have done it, right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I wish we had her phone so we could just
read each other our most recent Google search history. Oh god,
mine is definitely which one is stronger? Vicdin or whatever
the fuck other thing he was taking. I'm something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Not for yourself?

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
What? No, not at all, not in the least.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
My Bins comes out here with both our phones and
he's like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Do it read it, Okay, So the more he reads,
the more certain he is that he can pull one
of these off. He goes for some light research to
actual planning mode. Almost immediately he's gonna rob the Branks
guards as they deliver money to that Bank of America
in Minroe. So what he does is he begins to

(01:00:48):
case the bank in disguise. He puts on some generic
landscape or clothing because it's family business. But he also
then goes and somehow gets some more titians wax, the
ones that more used to make people's faces look normal
when they're for the viewing. Yeah, yeah, and he uses
that to obscure his facial features because not forget, he's

(01:01:10):
the golden boy of Monroe.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Right, No, okay, everybody, all right, that's the morticians right
underneath that smokestack, just directly beneath it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Okay. So uh, he starts casing the building. He studies
the entrances and exits the number of staff. When the
Brinks delivery and pick up schedule is the escape any
escape routes, He gives it the full stathem, and then
I wrote here a little exchange. Do you want to

(01:01:48):
do the first lady and I'll be the second, lady,
I'm first, you're first, And.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Do you have Ladys Joan?

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Was that the golden boy of Monroe I saw casing
the b of a today.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
No, Mareen, don't be crazy. That was just a animated
corpse from the funeral home pretending to trim aheadge. Sometimes
there's too much time to work on these stories, so
Anthony decides that the best bet for him here. His

(01:02:19):
escape route is to run out of the bank, across
the busy intersection and down into the local creek. Okay,
that's drugs and action, my friends. Oh, run it by someone.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Drugs have the worst ideas, I mean wild.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
So he believes that if he could just stash a
jet ski down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
In the creek.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Fuck, fuck, we're getting into the territory of your friend's
the bartender. The bar's closed, You've done some lines, and
now you're just coming up with ideas. The problem is
that the creek is less than two feet deep. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Okay, Oh there she is, there she is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
It's not jet ski territory in any way, shape or found.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
No gorgeous though, yeah, truly beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
It's time here, So he's gonna steal the cash, run
across the intersection in the light of day, Climb down
into the creek, get on his waiting jet ski, ride
downstream a short way. We've stolen bags of cash. Ditch
that jet ski, climb back up out of the creek
to a nearby road to his pre park, gettory car
and drive away. Is it okay, it's fun, it's easy

(01:03:42):
now and gets hurt? But what when Anthony tests this
plan out with an actual jet ski in that actual creek.
He does a dry run run, but a lightly moist
run because there's hardly any fucking water. Yeah, that's when
he realizes that the plant isn't gonna work.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
There doesn't do it, and that's the end of the
stor wish it were.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Instead of coming up with a new plan, Anthony spends
upwards of seven hours a day for several weeks dredging
the creek to make it deeper so he can ride
a jet ski on it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Yes, he does.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
You can say no all you want. That's what happened.
You can't refuse.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
I mean you might as well like ice it over
and fucking ice skate away like for ever.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Like Snoopy. At the beginning of the Christmas Special, it's
just like now this money's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Yeah, okay, well okay, we don't want to, like I
don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
You know, he needs some help, but.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
That is it's it's great to have big ideas and
get creative and try to push the boundaries, but you
can't change the way fucking water works. He just that's
not on you, Okay. When he's done with his one
man's civil engineering scheme, Anthony does another practice run with

(01:05:02):
the jet ski in the creek. This time he hits
a big rock, so it's not just about getting the
bottom lower. Yeah, it's also then there's the other things
in the creek that are difficult. Now he knows he
has to let go of the jet ski plane, goes
back to the jack in the box parking lot and
he cries into a taco, and then he goes back

(01:05:26):
to the drawing board and then he finally sees it
so clearly he needs to swap the jet ski for
an inner tube, because.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
There was an inner tube without pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
And I was like, don't mention it, because there's no
fucking way in that photo.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Yeah, it was like waiting like a little specter back there. Yeah,
oh there she is. That's the real one he actually used.
He literally like took his daughter's inner tube and was like, quickly,
let daddy rob the Brits.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Oh my god, he like straight up lazy river that
shit out of the holy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
He lazy he lazy rivered it. And you know what
he did too. I know, I don't know if it's
right here or where it happened, but he actually nailed
a wire from like one tree where he first ran
into me, all the way down two hundred yards to
where he planned to come up out. So he was
like doing this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Oh, I mean, that makes sense, but it's also like fingerprint, fingerprint, fingerprint, yeah,
over and over again, or.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Just like just run down the goddamn block. At this point,
now you're just kind of partying by yourself and the creek, yeah,
or at least get a stoner friend to do it
with you, Like that's what creeks are for.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
So at this point, Anthony's been planning the robbery for
several months and he's almost ready to pull the trigger,
but he has a cup final tasks. The first order
of business he has to stash some supplies, including that
inner tube, under a nearby dumpster. So that's He basically
is going to squirrel away, very druggy. He's going to

(01:07:14):
squirrel away all the things he needs as he does
this thing. When he does that, he is it is.
The action is witnessed by a fifty three year old
man named Alan Dean, So Alan himself.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
This is Alan.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
This is from Alan's interview on twenty twenty Oh wow.
So you can go watch that episode. So at the time,
Alan is experiencing homelessness, and he had been since the nineties,
when a heart condition made it impossible for him to
continue working as a carpenter. And since that time he'd
been panhandling around Monroe, and his plan was to save

(01:07:52):
up enough money to get a car so that he
could drive back to the East Coast where his children live,
because he had a family. He's a sharp guy, and
by his own telling, he stays sharp by buying two
newspapers every day, he reads them cover to cover, and
then he does the crossword puzzles every single day without fail.

(01:08:12):
So when he sees Anthony roll up into that dumpster
and hide the inner two oh wow yeah, along with
a huge can of mace, a wig, and other suspicious items,
Alan puts two and two together, and he yells over
to Anthony, I'm onto you. Oh no, I've seen this before.

(01:08:37):
Inner tube, wig mace, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
What you're doing bank.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
It's also a very fun thing to yell at a
stranger anytime, just like yes, right across the street, they're
walking this way, you're walking out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
I'mm on you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Of course, Anthony is very rattled by this because he's
doing something, he's planning something illegal, and he's on drugs.
He doesn't know alanie, he's never seen him before. But
he just ultimately brushes the comment off. He decides to
leave all the items where they are because even though
someone's onto him, that's fine, and he's probably just so

(01:09:16):
focused on like me in that inner tube and the wire,
it's going to be amazing. He will later admit that
he underestimated Alan, thinking quote, well, maybe if he's homeless,
maybe if he's been drinking, maybe he won't remember my description.
But Anthony could not be more mistaken. Alan will later say, quote,
he probably thought just an old tramp. He ain't gonna

(01:09:39):
do nothing, he ain't gonna write my tag number down.
Wrong game over, Oh my god, wrong game over. This
is Alan's time to shine game over.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
I'm on to you like he's got them all.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Yeah, he does.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
So Alan basically, when he sees Anthony do all of this,
he grabs his crossword pencil and he write downs Anthony's
license plate number. Meanwhile, Anthony's busy checking the last item
off of his to do list, hiring decoys. What's statue
saying what he does? And this is I mean, here's

(01:10:20):
the thing, all this energy and creativity. He really made
a plan and he really got something going. Just for
bad reasons, but there's a lot of creativity involved. Andy's
good looking, so let's defend him. He posts a fake
landscaping job on Craigslist under the name Clean Monroe Beautification Project.

(01:10:43):
The add claims to pay twenty eight to fifty an hour.
You know how much that is in today's money?

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
It's probably less, actually, yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Yeah, it's less, and you can't get an abortion. So
did you not know a very nice wage during the
Great recession? It's a weird blind do you want to guess?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
I'm okay, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
You know now I'm on your side. It's not fun.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
I'm saying, let's get rid of this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
It's so hard, though, it's fun to guess.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
About fifteen people respond to this fake job listing. Anthony
follows up with the start time of eleven am on Tuesday,
September thirtieth. He says they need to report to the
strip of pavement between the Jack and the Box and
the Bank of America. Yes, I meet my friends there
all the time. It's so gorgeous. Have you been Monroe?

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
It's so I can't keep turning around.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I truly can't just give the guy one second. He
wasn't even paying attention. I'm really sorry. I won't do
it again. Okay. He tells them they need to wear
a yellow safety vest, a blue hat, a blue shirt,
a face mask, and safety glasses. I mean, these people,
this is the twenty twenty episode re enactment of what

(01:12:14):
that looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
No joke, because they all have the same Adidas on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
To wait, this could be AI.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Oh shit, No, it's not, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Okay, Oh wow, Okay, I mean that's this is kind
of brilliant.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
It's getting right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
So here's what happens. So they're all standing there, they're
waiting for the boss to show up to tell them
what to do. And what they don't know is the
boss is already there, because there's this landscaper that's over
in front of like the bushes in front of Jack
in the Box that's springing like you know, pesticides or
something round. He's just rounding up all of Jack in

(01:12:54):
the Box. And he's dressed in the exact same clothes,
but he's wearing that wig that he loves so much
that he had stashed away. At eleven oh five am,
when the Brinks truck rolls into the Bank of America
parking lot, Anthony drops the sprayer. He grabs the can
of mace that he's stashed nearby, and makes a b
line for the Brinks guards who are on their way

(01:13:14):
into the bank carrying a bag of cash that has
four hundred thousand dollars inside. And that's around six hundred
today's money. And that's the actual this is the spot,
this is the real crime scene right here. Okay, so,
according to reports, Anthony sprays the guards with enough mace
to quote, stun one thousand pound grizzly bear.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
What are they even making an hour them like that?

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Okay it feels so high risk, Yeah, but you know
hopefully they make they make more than twenty eight to
fifty an hour or whatever the other thing was, So
of course the guards scream and pain they drop the bag.
Anthony grabs it and he runs across the busy intersection
and down into the creek. Even though he's wearing a

(01:14:01):
wig and a face mask. Many people watch him flee
in the direction of the creek, and he's also almost
hit by a truck.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Yeah okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Authorities are called and when the two Monroe City detectives,
Detective Barry Hatch and Detective Tim Buzz Buzzell sure Buzz's
family is here tonight. When they arrive on the scene,
it's filled with fifteen confused day workers standing around wondering
what the hell is going on, all dressed exactly like

(01:14:34):
the description of the noise.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
It's so smart, it's so smart.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Uh Do I get my thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Bucks or what?

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Yeah, yeah do to do?

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Before long, the detectives have collective witness statements describing their
purp as tall, thin and running with the Brinks bag
under his arm quote like a football, sure, like a
golden boy would. When they inspect Wood Creek, they find
the abandoned black and yellow inner tube with a picture
of a b on it, about two hundred yards down

(01:15:11):
the creek, along with a pair of discarded safety glasses,
a wig, and a face mask. The face mask has
saliva on it. They process the mask as DNA evidence,
but there are no matches in the system. I can't
believe you're on Anthony's side, guys, Emily's here tonight. Ladies

(01:15:33):
and gentlemen, be fucking badass. No matches in the system
because Anthony does not have a record. So this is
when detectives Buzz and Hatch learn that they should meet
Pearl McNutt. They learned that three weeks earlier, a tipster
had reported what we're referred to as robbery type items

(01:15:56):
under a dumpster near the bank, along with the license
plate number of the person who put those items there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
And when the detectives run that license plate number, they
trace the car to the Cursio family.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
It's so so quick, yeah, you know, and give him
a day with that money, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Well he gets he gets a couple of days, okay,
because before they go talk to the family, they want
to confirm the tipster story, and it takes a little
time tracking down Alan, and they basically ask around town.
You know, it's word of mouth, you know whose sky
is whatever, And they finally find him, and when they

(01:16:34):
first walk up to him, he yells, it's it's about
time you got here. And then he said, I'm on
to you, but real quiet, real scary because he is
because he is. Fully, he actually had read all about
the robbery in the newspaper and he was like, I'm
waiting for you to fucking come and talk to me.

(01:16:56):
I know exactly what happened in this robbery. Fools. Okay. Meanwhile,
across town, Anthony cannot believe he has pulled off this
big heist. What he actually did was he ran back
up out of the creek and he walked through an
apartment complex. He stole a shirt, like a white polo
shirt that was kind of too small for him, and

(01:17:16):
then he walked into a real estate office, and because
he does house flipping, they kind of knew who he was.
And of course, the Cursio family is very known in Monroe,
and so he was like, hey, can I use your phone?
My phone died. He calls his friend to come pick
it pick him up, and that's his getaway car. But
nobody really knows that that's what's happening, except for if

(01:17:37):
they look down, they would have seen that his shoes
were wet.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Okay, not the weirdest thing. Where's the money. I'm really
worried about this money. Where's the big bag of money.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
He stashed it? He loves to stash things.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Oh, I would never do that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
No, I actually don't know if that's true. What if
he was just kind of very casually holding it behind
his back, But then that means he had to hold
a phone like this and then dial with this hand.
We could work out every scenario. Uh, okay, So Anthony
can't believe it. He takes the money, He pays off

(01:18:13):
his biggest bills, he buys his wife a beautiful tennis bracelet,
and he invests in some bonds. No, that's not what happened.
I read that wrong. Anthony rushes off to Las Vegas
with his friends, and thirty thousand dollars is stolen cash.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
There he gambles away the money. He or a bunch
of money. He hires a guide to get him and
his friends into all the big clubs. I didn't know
you could do that. He parties with women who are
not his wife, and among other sinful things. He attends
an event celebrating the release of Jessica Simpson's latest single men,

(01:18:56):
Oh you Men, but he has he is not enjoying himself,
because this is actually the irony of being on drugs
and all of this stuff is you basically surround yourself
and all the things you think are going to make
you happy, and then you're miserable and then you're very
fucking confused. At one point, he's super drunk. He's in
like the you know the place they stay in the hangover,

(01:19:19):
that crazy huge like penthouse. Sweet. Yeah, they're in like
one of those. He's like crying in the shower and
fucking this step where you're like, uh oh, someone better
go talk to her. And then he like comes out
and he tries to recover, and then he does a
thing where he tells his friends, I can jump over
this glass coffee table and they're like, don't do it,

(01:19:40):
and he does it and he breaks his bucking elbow.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Wait, seriously, yes, I was just from the hangover.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Oh sorry, no, no, this is real? No?

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
What yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Okay, yes, wow, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
So he basically goes back home and he tells, of course,
he walks in with this fucking like his arm in
a sling. Emily's pissed. She's like, where have you been? He?
Basically she suspects he's using drugs again. She has been
his girlfriend since they were in high school. She knows
this man, and she knows what he's doing. But he

(01:20:15):
tells her he's coming to some money after pulling off
a really lucrative real estate deal, and that it's fine
now and everything's going to be okay, So she knows
it's not, but she she's just like, at least he's
back and he's alive, and you know, we'll go from here.
But she has no idea that the Brinks thief who's
going viral on the internet at this point is her husband.
And when someone calls into a local radio show and

(01:20:38):
refers to him as d b tuber, the nickname is
set oh tuber.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Because at the end.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
I thought I was like two the second dB tuber.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
dB tuber came back with that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Right, that's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Yes, yes, yes, do you want to go on the
rest of this tour with us? This is what we need? Okay,
I'm almost there, got it? What Anthony doesn't know. Is

(01:21:17):
that now not only our detectives Buzz and Hatch buzz
Bus new Hat tailing him, but the FBI is too,
because of course, robbing a Brinks truck is a federal crime.
So one afternoon they're both I guess, surveilling Anthony's movements
and they watch as he tosses a gatorade bottle into
a public trash can they go grab it, hoping it

(01:21:39):
contains DNA that'll match that saliva that was found on
the discarded face mask in the creek. When it's proven
to be a match, Buzz and Hatch prepare for an arrest.
So on November three, two thousand and eight, about a
month after the Brinx truck robbery, Anthony Cursio is taken
into custody in a target parking lot. This is the

(01:21:59):
part where I was having a great time for the
rest of this, for the beginning of the story, and
then it changes for me. He reportedly told the arresting officers,
this is slander. Do you know who my father is?

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Oh? Man, see, you gotta shut your fucking mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
Okay, that's his mugshot, that's Anthony. Do you know who
my father is? And It's like the question Anthony is
do you know who you are? Right in his face?
Quick update. As of last month, the Target boycott over
their DEI rollback has cost the company over twelve billion
dollars in market value.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Twelve billion dollars hia sick.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
Collective action works a vote with your motherfucking wallet. Yeah,
stop letting these people ruin everything.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Target was our third space. Target. When I went home
to Pedaloma for the holidays, me and my sister would
just go hang out in Target and we would see
everyone we knew. It was like reunions in the makeup
violin shit, and it's fucking ruined. What's nice, though, is
no one's in the Target in Peduluma anymore. They just
don't go. No one goes. It's great, it's great. You're

(01:23:22):
not allowed to pretend that you're super DEI until that
motherfucker gets into office and suddenly you're like, oh no, no, no,
we don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
We don't have to do that anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
Great shit, Okay, sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Can we please focus on true crime. It is a
true crime though. That's the craziest part. When Anthony's arrested,
he has seventeen thousand dollars in cash on his person.
It takes eight members of the Monroe Police Force nearly
four hours to hand count all of that cash.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Oh, this keeps starting over.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Yeah, you don't come in here and tell us the
score to the game, trying to fucking count.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
I thought money was so dirty.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
I bet well, you know it's funny when he went
home out of the crik when his friend dropped him off,
he went in and he dried a lot of the
money from the crik in his own dryer because it
was soaking wet from being down there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Okay, this isn't breaking bad, this is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
So Anthony pleads guilty. He winds up going to prison
for six years. He's released in twenty thirteen, having also
completed a drug treatment program. He and Emily eventually reconcile,
and once he gets his family back, he hits the
public speaking circuit to warn kids about drugs and crime
and tearing your acl I bet that slipped in there too.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Alan Dean winds up getting the reward money for his tip.
Yes we don't know how much that was, but it's
enough to buy a car, and according to writer David
Kushner for GQ, Alan plans on finally hitting the road
to get back to his family. It goes without saying

(01:25:17):
that addiction is brutal, and while it doesn't excuse Anthony's actions,
it puts those choices into perspective a little bit. Dredging
the creek is beyond the kale. I don't care how
many lines of Koch you've done.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
I mean, that's some like gummy salad confession, you know
what I mean. I just watched the most fucked up
gummy salad confession. Like things I did on drugs like
that would be on that list.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Yeah. Sure, I dredge the local creek and ruined. Yeah,
I ruined the entire ecosystem of our local creek, and
I brought nerds, gummy clusters.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Salad salad.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
But here's the thing. Anthony has always been very candid
about everything that he he's done. He actually was quoted
as saying, I had justified that I was doing this
for my family. But you know what, someone that is
doing this for their family wouldn't have gambled with them.
You should never gamble with something you are not willing
to lose. And that's the story of one of the

(01:26:16):
most audacious heights in the Seattle metro history. The dB
tuber brings swabbery there he is.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Now he's saying, do you know who my father has been?
In a really nice voice.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Wow, that's incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
I've never heard that, right me either, dB tuber is
the funniest thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
dB tuber.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Yeah, that's you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
We can't let go of Colin Radio. We must protect
Colin Radio. All right, should we get home?

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
You fancy? It's me from before?

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Oh I forgot to read that email. Oh were you
guys talking about Jack in the Box?

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Little bit?

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
It's appropriate that place killed four children in nineteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Thirty, says this. Whenever Jack in the Box, I was
just saying, but Dix Drivan never killed no kids.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
I got them math.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
I'm gonna be over.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
That exit sign.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Okay, thank you baby.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Every single time Jack in the Box comes up, it's
brought up. That's so gen x.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Yeah, it was a very disturbing time. But does he
not like it? Is that his argument against? No?

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
I think you just will think about it all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Yeah, that's like when if people talk about if people
talk about Taco Bell, then I have to talk about
how they they tested the meat and they found that
it was majority sawdust. And I didn't even pause. I
think I went there two days later. It was just like,
that sounds great. I must love sawdust and I must
be a little fucking hamster because give me that sawdust.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
There was definitely a rumor when I was in high
school on Veganism was like super popular, and I said
that the jack in the box tacos there was no
actual meat in them. It was like and so everyone
was like great, and uh, I bet a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Those got real sick after that. I think that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
And what do anyway?

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Here we are, here, we are. It's time for you
guys to tell us a hometown will very quickly tell
you how to do it, even though we know you
know no, you have to listen to it. Uh, you
can't be so drunk you can't tell your own story.
Please let it have a beginning, of middle and an end.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Please.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
The ending is probably the most important. Uh, don't use notes,
you don't have to, you always know it. And finally, local, Oh,
please make it local. The rest of you hate it
so much when it's not local.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Yeah, so do you actually want to I'm going to
turn away and you can actually chose.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
I'm going to turn away, and you guys turn away too,
Try to turn away, see if you can.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Oh my god, you want to pick No, you do it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
You got it. Last night was amazing and you did it.
Follow I hate this look person here?

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Yeah okay, yeah yeah yah yeah yeah yeah perfect. Sorry,
everyone else is.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
The worst young person gets to come up, and that
means everybody else hates our guts and we don't care.
I care, Oh I care too. I just keep saying
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Guys, be quiet.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
She comes.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
Nice Corey, Corey. It's Corey. Everyone, It's Corey.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Nice to meet you. Are you ready to do this?

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
Sonna?

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
It's so great to have you here. Corey.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
Corey.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
You bought a shirt and you put it on tonight's
that's bad.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Where are you from Seattle?

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
Great? Nice?

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Okay great, okay, yeah, go for it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:04):
When my daughter was in sixth grade, tried out for
the school play, which was awesome. It's only play she
ever and I was a theater kid, so I was
very happy. Yeah yeah, So she got the part of
Stone number three.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Well, which play was it? Would I be familiar? With
this play. No, okay, small Christian school. Oh well, I
really love Christian plays, so I don't remember. Okay, fine, fine, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
But there were only four speaking roles and they were
for the coveted you know, eight eighth graders.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:30:46):
And the eighth graders that had the roles were awesome one,
especially a girl named Natalie. She did an excellent job.
She was captivating. She also was an excellent singer in
the choir at the school. She was a super smart kid.

(01:31:07):
In fact, she was so smart that she was two
grades ahead, so she was you know, my daughter's age.
Probably fast forward a couple of years. She was in
high school. She had a little brother that was two
years behind her. Her parents were going through a very
ugly divorce. I think they shared custody, but when she

(01:31:35):
was fourteen, things went sideways and her mom lost custody.
Dad had them full time. Mom had only supervised visitation.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
So it had been.

Speaker 5 (01:31:51):
About nine months since their mom had been in the
home that they shared with their father, and they had
a set of rules in place. But it was December
and mom had reached out to the little brother and said,
it's the holidays. I have a gift for you. I
have it wrapped. I want to deliver it to you.

(01:32:15):
And she manipulated him and he succumbed, and so when
Natalie and her dad were out, the brother was home
allowed Mom to deliver the gift at some point. It
was discovered later that the gift was really a ruse.
It was old clothing that she had that he had outgrown.

(01:32:39):
Her real intention was to arrive, zip tie the boy,
stuff his mouth with socks, and hide him in wait
it's it's yeah. So Dad and Natalie get home.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Of course they're shocked.

Speaker 5 (01:33:04):
She says to Dad, I'm here to ruin your life
because you've ruined mine. She holds him at gunpoint as
he has to zip tie himself, and Natalie is able
to rush up to a room. She calls nine one one.

(01:33:28):
She's able to share what's happening and the contact information
and all of that, and at some point she can
hear her mom coming and she tucks the phone in
her pocket and the rest is recorded by the operator,
and that is when the operator heard her mom say,

(01:33:53):
you did what you called fucking nine to one one.
If they come here, I'm going to put a hole
in your head. And then there's the sound of wrestling,
there's a sound of a zip tie, there's a sound
of a gunshot. Before the police arrive, Dad is able

(01:34:19):
to use his body to slam Mom against the wall
and tell the brother to run outside and wait for police.
And Natalie did not survive, but she did save her
brother's life in her dad's life.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:34:50):
And it took six years for Mom to be sentenced.
She spent three of the years trying to claim insanity,
but she had the wherewithal to plan to buy a gun,

(01:35:11):
buy zip ties, and come prepared.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
And.

Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
So that didn't work, and COVID was in there. She
fired two attorneys in that time. So finally this year
she took a plea. She's serving thirty two years, which
means that she cannot be let out more than ten

(01:35:40):
percent of her sentence, so she'll be eighty one years
for Natalie.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
Natalie, a beautiful job. Thank you, Thank you, Corey.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
Everybody that's Cory's hometown, thank you so much, great job,
thank you. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Yeah, Seattle, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
Wow, that's a real that's we ask people to come
up here and tell hometowns because true crime is everywhere.
Everyone is experienced or has some sort of uh, some
sort of degree of connection to trauma and horror and
things people that have been taken away, people that really

(01:36:24):
matter that get forgotten because whatever the system fails them.
And it really is a nice thing where people hold
that in their hearts. They remember a kid that was
in their you know, their son's play. Like it's such
a lovely thing to be able to say, hey, this
happened to a real person. Then now she's gone, and
people actually really care about that. That's the point of

(01:36:47):
all of this. Really, it's we care about each other,
and everybody in this room cares about what happens to
their fellow man. And it's a really lovely thing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Oh my god, thank you guys so much, Seattle. We
love coming here. You guys have been so supportive of
us from the very beginning, and we love this community
and the community you guys have built, so thank you
for just supporting this.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Yes, we really it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
To come up here.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
We always have the best time. Yeah, both of these shows,
both nights have been incredible. We got to meet some
of you last night. It's so fun and we just
thank you from the bottom of our hearts for giving
us the kind of life where we get to wear
fancy dresses and joke around with each other and hang
out with you guys. It's a joy. We have missed

(01:37:35):
you these past six years. And stay sexy, and.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
Thank you Seadam, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Elvis.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Do you want a cookie?

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
Our senior producer is Mollie Smith and our associate producer
is Tessa Hughes.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Our editor is Aristotle Lascevedo.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
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