MFM Presents… Brief Recess

My Favorite Murder presents the premiere episode of our newest podcast, Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche, on the Exactly Right network. Brief Recess takes a sharp, funny, and deeply human look at the American legal system, breaking down the stories behind the headlines and showing how the law actually works in real life.

In this episode, “ICE Abuses and Accountability… Finally,” hosts Michael and Mélissa talk about the Diddy trial, discuss special immigrant juvenile status, and sit down with Congressman Robert Garcia for a candid conversation about ICE, accountability, and what meaningful change might finally look like.

Listen on the iHeartRadio App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. For updates, behind-the-scenes content, and more, follow Michael on Instagram @dept_of_redundancy_dept and TikTok @Michael_Foote_, and follow Mélissa on both platforms @MelissaMalebranche.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, big News, Everybody exactly writes news podcast Brief Recess
is finally here.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Brief Recess is a smart, funny, and deeply insightful look
at the American legal system, the real stories, the loopholes
in all the ways the lass shapes everyday life.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's hosted by attorney and viral TikTok star Michael Foot
and his best friend Melissa Malbranch. They bring humor and
clarity to the pressing legal questions that we all have today.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
We're so proud to bring you episode one, titled Ice
Abuses and Accountability finally, featuring a conversation with California Congressman
Robert Garcia.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
So settle in and get ready to hear the very
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Speaker 2 (00:49):
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Speaker 1 (00:54):
And now please enjoy exactly, writes news podcast Brief Recess.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Goodbye, Welcome to brief Ress sigm Michael Foot.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
I'm Melissa Albranch.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Today we're going to be talking about the last time
I was ever seen in public and a romper, Melissa's
last time out in the state sale, the Ditty Trial,
the time Melissa had to talk to her mother about
water sports. Monica Lewinsky deep dives into cases about special
immigration juvenile status, an interview with Congressman Robert Garcia, and
all the questions you send me in my DMS. I'm

(01:29):
Michael Foot. I'm a criminal defense lawyer and an immigration
attorney here in New York City. I am the first
thing you see in the morning and the last thing
you see before your husband disappears. Melissa, would you like
to introduce herself.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
I can't believe you just said that. My name is
Melissa Malbrandt. I am absolutely positively not a lawyer. I
stand by that. I had been working in the nonprofit
space for about twenty five years now, and Michael and
I met, i'd say about ten years ago. We've been
really good friends ever since.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
You called me when your cat died, and that's how
I knew we were close friends, or Cat was dying
and New called me and star your husband.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
I did because I knew that you would understand what
I was going through, but you wouldn't be as emotional
about it as my husband.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
People often come to me when they want a direct,
emotionless answer, unless it's like a Saturday night and I've
been drinking.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
In Brooklyn and eaton taco bell.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
We're going to be talking about all sorts of legal
things that come up in the headlines. I've really wanted
to start this show with my best from Melissa because
there are so many long form things I can't talk
about on social media, and people love coming to like
my feeds to learn a little something about what's happening
with immigration law, what's going on in court. But I
can't really expand or they can. It's hard for me

(02:46):
to answer all their questions. So you'll hear a lot
on this show. We constantly are going to be returning
to this notion of like, what can we be doing right?
Like I hate the concept of doom scrolling. I hate
the notion that people aren't like supporting each other. I
hate this idea that like, oh, we're descending into fascism
and like that's it. It was like a think piece.

(03:07):
I hate that idea. I want people to feel empowered
to sort of like flex their democratic muscles to affect
some sort of change in their community, even if it's
going to a small protest, even if it's like working
and volunteering at like your food bank, and sort of
like looking at the headline, seeing what's happening and then
explaining what's going on and then exactly what you can
do about it, rather than it just being like, well

(03:28):
that sucks, onto the next article, right exactly. So I
could never do like a full romper situation.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
I feel like I've seen you in a romper, and
I don't think that's true at all. You were out
here on these streets this morning. Andre asked me if
I was starting work at a garage.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Okay, murder on the dance floor, Jesus Christ, Andre, that
is no.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
No, no, So Andre? Is I mean, you know, Andrea
very conservative little man and like dresses like everybody's dad. Yes,
so like anything out of the ordinary.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
I feel like I've given him some things that don't
fit me, like they're too small, so I give him
to him. You have not. I feel like I've given
him a sweater over the years.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
I feel like that might be your other black friend
that you've given things.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Okay, immediately instantly racist, I.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Mean no, not racist. I mean I feel like I
feel like if they're black people who know what I'm
talking about, sometimes you are your white friend's only black friend.
They have like two.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, now I understand. I'm the only gay friend for
a lot of people, and I'm treated like a mascot.
Sometimes they're like, get the gay one at.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
The wedding, get that who, get the party started?

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Get No, we need someone who's looking cute at them.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Something nice, something like a good dress.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
What's his name again? Mark?

Speaker 4 (04:51):
It's like, you're not Mike, Like you're not Mike.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I am Mike to a very specific group of people,
and one demographic calls me Mike. I'm going to give
you one chance to guess.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, is it somebody from like your childhood.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
It's the guy fixing my dishwasher. It's like the guy
fixing the like put the plumbing in my apartment. It's
always like a man over a certain age.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
They don't know you. Yeah, the name is Michael.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
No. No, It's like my dad's friends. It's like people
who know me. It's men of a certain white straight
man of a certain age, are like, Mike, how's it going.
It's a very long island thing.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Okay. People randomly call me Michelle for no good reason.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
I've called you way worse than Michelle behind your back,
into your face. What did you do this weekend? Well,
you were working at the garage.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
I was, yeah, I changed the carburetor.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Brad will look me right in the eye and be like, oh,
Professor Plumm is joining us if I'm wearing like a
sweater and a time just Christ, it's actually so diabolical.
I don't catch strays in my house. I catch them
straight to the face.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
What I do this weekend? So this is wardrobe changing
time for me? So I do this by annually.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh, Melissa loves a good I do a good closet
cleanout special.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
But I like, I recorded something and I was going
to post the TikTok. But I'm not like you. I
am not a prolific poster.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
If you're thinking about posting something to TikTok, my number
one rule, don't be precious with it, post it unedited,
broke in.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
I am not precious yet. Yeah, no, no, no, no,
that's not it. It's just a mess. But I was
just like, I am actually embarrassed at the amount of
shit that I own.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
It is, But those are the videos that everyone loves.
Those are the videos of mine that blow up when
I'm like, it's hey, I had to pick up a
client and I'm wearing cooochie cutters and a crop top
that's mesh because it's Pride month and I ended up
having to go to the precinct and and it's always
so mortifying for me. But those are the videos that
usually blow up.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
I mean, I don't I actually don't care if the
video blows up or not. I mean, maybe I should,
but I don't care. But I care that I feel
like I have become victim to over consuming, right, and
to be fair, I do buy a lot of thrifted items.
You know, we know I love in the States sales,
so it's not but I do buy things. Also, let

(07:12):
me just be.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Clear about that. Yeah, and no judgment here. I'm a
violent consumer.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
I am judging myself, okay, judging my line.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I am where disposable income goes to meet its disposal.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
I don't want to be that person.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
But there's a difference between not wanting to be someone
and accepting who you are. Know thyself.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
I know myself and I am a bitch with too
much shit.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
And not enough space. You do have storage, so.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
That's the thing, right, is that every year I pack
up twice a year and I take it to storage
a storage facility.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Okay, okay, so that is actually cry for help. Yeah,
it is a little bit of a.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
I need someone to come in and tell me what
to do.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
I'll do it.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
No, you sorry, I need somebody who's known.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
I love that. My friends don't want to They're like,
because I'm like I love to come up for dinner.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
They're like, get fuck you will because you will enable me?

Speaker 3 (08:13):
No, yes, I I throw everything out. I'm like, Brad,
this has been here for a week. It is a
it's our tax return. I think we should either you know,
post it online or throw it out. Like, I'm like,
this can't be sitting here.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
I feel like you would come over and we just
wouldn't get anything done.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
I feel like it would turn into a runway. I
do think that we would probably do some sort of
fashion show.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
I don't want that.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Actually comment below. If you do want to see me
go to Melissa's house, we do a full wardrobe. I
could yeah, we could do different out there.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Who wants to help me take a good long heard
look at my wardrobe and be like, bitch, you're never
gonna wear this.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
And if you want to enable this dysfunction police comment
on this video that you want us to do a
little fashion montage.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
This is actually a cry for help to no.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
I think we do a link and people then can
then donate to our and then we see how much
money people give us to do it.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
I'm not asking anybody for money work, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
This is and this is this is how you get
a head life. Maybe actually speaking of I saw Alyssa
this weekends.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
We love her.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
How do we describe Alissa? Describe Alyssa for the viewers
at home? Alyssa is our very very close mutual friend.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
She's like a really good friend. If you want to
do something because Alissa is down for whatever, Yes, she's
down for whatever. Hey Alissa, let's go to croat show. Yes?

Speaker 3 (09:33):
And I do I get the sense that like her.
Her doorman like doesn't know what she looks like because
she's never home, like she's always out like she's she's
never out in these streets.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah, I have to tell you I track Alyssa.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
And yeah, because for her own safety.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Her own I'm not even for her own safety. I
am oftentimes worried about where she is. Has anybody seen
her where?

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Melissa will text me in the middle the night and
she'll be like, I can't sleep just checking have you
heard from Melissa recently? I do feel like we should
probably keep an eye on her, as is Alyssa taught
me how to be chaotic. That is who she is
in my life. She's sort of like, uh, like the
personification of like the Winchester Mystery Home. Like she's just
sort of like stove is on keys her out. I

(10:20):
went to her apartment once and there was like all
this broken glass in front of the building and I
was like, ooh, rough neighborhood. It was like the West Village, right.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
I go into the apartment and she had dropped something.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
I was like, there's so much broken glass and she
was like, oh, yeah, I dropped like a whole back
of groceries out there earlier. That was me, like a
two hundred person unit and it was her. Yeah, But
I did see her. I took her to a drag
Queen's birthday party. We went to Miss Mam.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
She again let me just one second, I was not invited.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
No, and then for your own protection and safety, you
would have knock gone out at midnight on a Friday night.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Oh for sure. No. But yeah, but but ask me no.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
I don't want to be told no one more time.
Get my hopes up, get all excited about. You won't
get your hopes.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Because you know better, right, because you know I'm probably
not coming. But I would like to be included.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Okay, okay, okay, I'll just it was also like deep
in Brooklyn and you don't live anywhere near that, No,
I don't. You would have been like this is this
is a four hour flight for me to get there
from where.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
When I first started dating my now husband, I was
living in Brooklyn and he was not. And it felt
like a long distance relationship. It really really did. And
I mean it really wasn't that far, but it felt.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
What did we say it'd be like that?

Speaker 4 (11:37):
It'd be like that, and it felt like behind God's back.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Brad lived in Hoboken. Oh God, And when you have
to transfer, when you have to cross state lines in
interstate commerce like that. It really does. I was all
the way in these village. There was like no like
clear transit. It was it was. It was actually really
of him in the.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Ass any part of how did he got in trouble?
Just cross the day line.

Speaker 5 (12:01):
We're three minutes into the episode and already come over?
Are you talking about ditty trafficking? Okay, we're gonna go
right into sidebars. Okay, and I think we've got a
nice natural entree into the ditty case beacause Melissa's mother, Magalie,
throw up a photo of Magalie c J. She is
an icon.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
She is the moment. She is she, she is her, She.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Is all of my mother is we We We often
say that my mom is the Queen of the Kingdom
in her mind.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yes, a legend. She is every woman.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, it's all in her.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, it's all. And she will never listen to the
show she is.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
She might if I tell her that we give her
a shadow.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Okay, yeah, what is the department? Ever? Duneacy department?

Speaker 4 (12:45):
She calls, I'm not going to do the ad, so
I'll get canceled. So my mom has always loved like
a salacious legal case. Sure right, I mean, who does it?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
A lot of moms.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Do so, like I remember back in the day you
were a child. However, the O. J. Simpson case, my
mother was living for this, oh.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Living for every mom in America.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Cut to Diddy, and my mom is just like.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Cut for thirty years of history, We're straight to did
did She's.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Also really into like the what's his name Johnny depp
one like she was. Now she's got nothing but time,
so I mean, we all strive to be returning. So
she was like, have you been watching the Didty case?
And I was like, to be honest, not really, I'm
in and out or whatever. And she's like, well, he's

(13:37):
definitely going to go to jail.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
This is before this was when it was first really
hit in the headlines, and it was just like, yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
It's not looking very good for him and her.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Home, wasn't it. It wasn't.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
I mean it didn't end well for him. I mean
it ended better.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Than those those If someone drew a sketch of me
the way those court reporters drew sketches of Diddy, just
I would be on the evening news. Michael Foot threw
himself off a building an embarrassment. That is that was
so wicked, wild, diabolical, that was a crime in and

(14:11):
of itself.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Drawnk you read what you saw, Sean what and also
let me.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Let me I haven't heard someone say you reap what
you sow, and quite sometimes I say that all the time.
It's very mel Gibson and signs like he's very much.
It is very much like this Bucolic imageriat of folks
like we're in the fields growing corn.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
You re what your saw, You read what you said.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
That is such a that's an American farmer subsidy. Shout
out right there, Shout out to you all the American
farmers working hard here in these in this country, in
the Midwest.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
So her whole thing was he's definitely going to jail.
And I was like, Okay, it's not looking good for him.
Why do you right?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Agreed, And Melissa called me and told me this, and
I walked straight into the street with my dog. Didn't
look either.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
I had the most uncomfortable conversation with my mother about
water sports. My mother was convinced that this man was
going to go to jail because he had engaged in
water sports.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
This was in her mind make it clear this was
the crime.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Was the crime. And I was trying to explain to
my mom. I'm like, well, it's not some people like that.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
No, Melissa, she's she's rewriting the legislation she was sports
as as.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
A federal people don't like that. And I was just like,
I mean, they might, and she was just like, no,
he's going straight to jail for.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
I should also process.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
This is why he should go to jail. She deserves it,
I mean. And again, back in the day Monica Lewinsky,
my mom was in the car with my mom. I
will never forget at this. Listen to some NPR show
or something where they were talking about Monica Lewinsky's sexual
past and Monica Lewinsky and I around the same age,
give her take a year or two. And I think
it came out that before Bill, Monica had had like

(16:16):
maybe two or three sexual partners beforehand. And my mom
was like a disgusting no. And so I'm in the
car with my mom and I'm driving and I am
not making anything.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
You can't move, no no, no, no, no no no no
no no no, no no no.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
And I went home and I called a friend of
mine I locked the door.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
I waited till she was.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
My mom was upset that Monica Lewinsky has had like
one or two guys, and she was like, did you
keep your mouth shuts like firmly? So this is who?

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Well, first of all, I might I think I'm gonna
meet Monica Lewinsky next week?

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Can I know?

Speaker 3 (16:59):
I'm I'll text you the details. It's like it is
like my friend anyway is getting me into me with her.
So I don't know if I can like sneak someone in.
But I won't bring you to the Drag Queen's birthday.
I will bring you to meet Monica.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yeah, like pick and choose.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, I feel like that's equally you know, I.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Think if I have to choose, i'd rather meet Monica.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Well, okay, but let me explain the Drag Queen, Miss ma'am.
She she does a deadpan drag to like very hilarious
songs like Ding Ding Ding Went the Trolley, But her
face is like the whole time, and we'll throw up
a clip, we'll throw and oh clang klang klang right
right right. We can't sing on the show because we'll
get sued. But she always has like a tag. We

(17:41):
can speak lyrics, that's copyright law. She always has like
the tag on her outfit. Still it's like, still on
this so good, it's so great. You have a couple
of drinks. It's great. Anyway, I'll bring you to meet Monica.
But Diddy. The thing about that I was just so
incredulous was Melissa's mother. Each time she brought up one
of the horrific things he was being charged with, right

(18:03):
people testifying the awful testimony. I mean, it was really
it was terrible. Yeah, Melissa's mother was like, but the
water sports, that was what was really good because she
couldn't get She.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Couldn't she refuses to believe that anybody could be into that,
and I was trying to and then finally I was.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Like, I'm just like acutely aware of how much water
I'm drinking right now as we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Then let's listen. That's fine.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
I'm actually out. Let's take a brief recess. We're going
to take a break. Welcome back to brief Recess.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Albrand.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
This is under Earth. We're going to take a deep
dive into a case. This one is actually really near
and dear to me and my heart and a lot
of what my day to day life looks like. So
I pictured it. I thought it'd be cool to kind
of talk to you about it. The name of the
case is Sarmiento I. Tel Vi Perry et al. So
it's a classic lawsuit that the ACLU filed against ICE,
effectively submitting a class action lawsuit of a group of

(19:05):
miners who were seeking immigration status here in the US.
And we're not being given the opportunity to be bonded
out of detention centers, so they were being held for
long periods of time in detention centers.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Okay, And when you say minors, give me an idea.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Sure, Yeah, So anyone under the age of it, actually
I think it might be twenty one is for Special
Immigration Juvenile status. It's people under the age of twenty one.
We call it SiGe as a shorthand. But Special Immigration
Juvenile status is a protected status that miners can seek
in the US. It's usually you have to prove certain things.

(19:41):
So one of them is that you were neglected, abandoned,
or abused by a parent in your home country, So
that can be you never had a relationship with your
father and you don't know how man, it's no part
of your life, or it can be that you know
your parents have pandoned you. Sometimes there are really extreme
cases which are you know, a lot eas to kind
of prove, and then there are others where it's like,

(20:02):
I don't know who my father is and I'm going
to be establishing custody in the US with a relative. Okay,
So it's usually just one parent that you could sort
of have to prove that there was something abnormal about
the relationship. But the interesting thing that sort of came
up in this case that I thought I could weigh
in on was how important it is that people are

(20:25):
bonded out hard stop, but especially in SiGe cases. And
that's because SIDGE is one of these things where you
and your lawyer are running around the city to all
sorts of different courts to get documentation, to get judgments,
to get rulings from judges so that you can bring
it back to immigration court and show them that like

(20:46):
you're doing your due diligence. For example, you usually have
to go to family court, which is like in a
different burrough sometimes where it takes a really long time
to get that hearing date. I've worked sedge cases. It's
taken years just to even get at like a date
for your application to be reviewed.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Let me ask you this, what happens if somebody because
if you said it takes years, sometimes what happens if
the person ages out while this is going on?

Speaker 3 (21:13):
That's a great question. We're often dealing with, like hard deadlines.
I made a video recently about appeals and how we
sort of the deadline is when the application is received,
not when you submit it for certain things. So deadlines
are insane in any industry, but especially in immigration law.
The stakes are so high, right, So for SIDGE, it

(21:34):
is when it's filed. So even if there is a
backlog in the government agency that you're working with, as
long as it's the date that your attorney files it,
you're still below the requisite age. Okay, that is that's
like such an important question because sometimes people are not
sure about that.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
But sure, so as long as the date that it
was submitted is before you've aged out, then your should
be okay in terms of moving forward with the case.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Exactly. So in this case, the plaintiffs are suing Ice
stating that they're being held without a bond, hearing and
that it violates their Fifth Amendment do process rates, So
they're not even given the opportunity to argue whether they
should be bonded out of a detention center. It is
developing law. By the time this episode airs, the law
might have changed. So the thing about this specifically is

(22:23):
that there was a recent ruling in September where if
you were not inspected so upon arrival in the US.
So let's say you arrived undocumented, you cross the border illegally,
you don't have standing to seek bond in court if
you are detained. So that is like a new thing.

(22:43):
It's still being hammered out, it's being appealed, like it's
going to work its way up through the courts. But
right now a lot of people are trying to get
bonded out who crossed the border illegally, and this new ruling,
this new case law that came down in September, has
sort of messed with that. So I have people reaching
out to me for bond and I'm like, I honestly
couldn't even file something for you if I wanted to,

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or if I had time to.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
So I mean, I just wonder what especially, you know
what happens to these people? I mean, especially talking about kids,
somebody who's the idea of somebody who's ten years old
is sort of in this purgatory. What happens to them?

Speaker 3 (23:22):
It's a great question, and it's something that I think
needs more attention, especially in the media. I think oftentimes
immigration law is like, ooh, that's so complicated. Even lawyers
will call me, Like this woman called me and she
was like, the lady who does my nails just got arrested.
I'm a lawyer, but I don't know how to do
this stuff. Like immigration law is like one of the
most complicated areas of law, and it's because of the

(23:44):
decentralized nature of the government agencies that we're working with.
I mean, when I'm having someone fingerprinted, it gets sent
to North Dakota. When I file their BIA appeals, it
goes to Church Falls, Virginia, Like it makes absolutely no sence.
I think what sort of happens is especially in these cases,
like we're talking about child welfare here, like these are
children being locked up and that they're being detained for

(24:06):
an indeterminate amount of time. I think, like public perception,
public advocacy, people's people giving this any sort of energy
or attention. I think they'll sort of start to see,
like how many awful things happen in attention centers, right,
Like how many lawsuits are there around sexual violence attention centers?

(24:27):
So this is happening on us soil is I'm so
glad to see that there is a lawsuit because I
have to say, as an attorney, I'm really remiss reading
the headlines that there aren't a lot of people talking
about this. There aren't a lot of law firms taking
up cases and filing lawsuits like this. There's been a
chilling effect with the Trump administration where law firms are like,

(24:50):
we are not going to be suing, we are not
going after like they are afraid that they're going to be.
And what does it come down to. It comes down
to people's wallets, It comes down to the pocketbooks of
these big firms, and they're not going after the government
agencies and really having some sort of like stand right.
And it's helpful because it's like, I don't know, it
kind of gets to the heart of like being an
attorney for me, it's like why the fuck did you

(25:12):
do this? Then? Like there's so many like faster ways
to make money than being a lawyer, and you got
into this to not help people, to not do the
right thing, like we're supposed to be officers of the
court where people who are supposed to be like ensuring
justices served or seeking out justice or accountability is held
somewhere right, and to then be like, well, it's going

(25:34):
to hit our bottom line. We don't want to be
for the Trump administration. It's like, well, then who the
fuck are you? If you're not going to be doing that,
then what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (25:43):
I wonder?

Speaker 3 (25:44):
I'm excited I mean to be following this closely. I
do think there's a strong chance that there will be
some sort of at least partial relief for the plaintiffs,
mostly because the child welfare protections courts take that really
seriously and there is sort of a pretty do process
concern in this case. People not I'm gonna be watching

(26:05):
this close to the deceased, mostly because once there's a
decision made, my day to day job as an attorney
who handles bond hearings will change overnight. It will be
one of those rulings where I get to the courthouse
and what I'm doing that day is something different than
what I thought it was going to be and I'd
live for that ship because I am a messy bitch
and I do love a little bit of chaos every

(26:28):
now and then. I was born and raised by Alisa,
our most chaotic friend.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
You're a Taurus.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
We're both tourists. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Let me ask you a question. Yeah, they're in these
detention centers with Are.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
They like segregated from adults. Yeah, that's actually a great question.
Anybody like I actually don't know because it is so
impossible for attorneys to access clients who are being held
at attention. It's actually such a pain in the ass
for me to even have all with the client who's detained.
And I sue. I was part of a lawsuit with

(27:04):
the ACLU a couple of years ago where we sued
because I was like bored one summer during COVID, so
I like worked with them. I'm sus and I basically
like feet. I broke both my feet jogging. Yes, it's
laid up in casts just and what I would do
is I would take a group of cases in different
detention centers around the country, and I would attempt to

(27:26):
get in contact with my client and then document how
difficult it was, and all I was one of the layers.
All that information got fed into this lawsuit and they
sued and one they were like, we like lawyers cannot
access their clients, so it's really hard. And detention centers
are intentionally outside of city limits. They're really far away

(27:46):
from a metropolis to ensure that people cannot access legal council.
They're They're usually in like a wasteland. I had to
go to one in I think it was like in Alabama,
and I had to fly into a different state. I
didn't want to drive, so I'm wealthy enough. I hired
a car to drive me there because I was like, God,

(28:06):
I'm not going to be driving in the middle of
northern Georgia, Alabama. I had someone drive me just to
just for one hearing. It was crazy.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Yeah, I just keep thinking the idea of a kid
being alone.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
It's terrifying, and you know.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
And somebody needs to be the voice for these kids.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Right, absolutely. Yeah. I think that my clients who are
kids miners are the ones that I end up being
closest with as well, because they like a social worker
more than Yeah, totally.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Because they need the help more than any I mean,
obviously anybody who's.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
A lot sometimes like the lawyer is like the parent
has trusted the lawyer to be there for that person.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
I don't know that there are enough people who are
going to law school who get into it because they
really have this deep down desire to push the idea
of like social justice or just justice in general.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
No, it's true.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
That is I'm going to go to law school and
I am going to be a real estate lawyer because
I want to make a ton of money, you know
what I mean. I mean, I think it's wonderful that
you're thinking about it that way. And Michael is not alone.
I know there are a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
I'm also not perfect, Like no, no, no, no, it's very
easy to it's very easy to like lose your way,
like I have lost my way many times in life,
like as a lawyer, like even after graduation, where you know,
you do sort of get dazzled by the dollars or
you don't want to take that pro bono case because
you are too busy, or like life happens, like people

(29:46):
have families, like people get dogs, like uh, shake goes down, right,
And so I just feel like I don't know, I
want other lawyers to feel like it's cool for me
to be like, hey, Michael, how do I get involved?
How'd you get started? You know? I get a lot
of messages like that where people are like, hey, like
how did you get your first? Like pro bone? Okay,

(30:07):
so how do you learn how to do this stuff? Like?
I wasn't always this psychopath that I am today?

Speaker 4 (30:14):
No, I think you probably were always a psychopath, maybe
not the one that you want today, however.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
I think knocks on the tour.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
I think that to your point. I think sometimes there
comes a point in everybody's life where you're like, you
know what, I've done the thing that I'm going to do, right,
Like I went to college or not or whatever, and
now I have a job and I'm just sort of
like plugging away. I think about this a lot, right,
What is going to be my other thing that I
do that is helpful? I think there comes a moment

(30:43):
in your life where you're like, oh, you know what,
I'm going to sit down. I'm going to think about
how I can help. And for you as an attorney,
you have this skill, you have this degree, and you
were like, you know what, I now have the time
and I'm now inclined.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
When we talk to Congressman Garcia later, let's ask him.
You should ask him like what you can do, like
what the differences are, because I think that could be
cool to hear from someone in a position of power
in the government of like what they think their constituents
or just like civically engaged democrats can be doing to help.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
What can we how can we be helped?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
How do you help? Now? What do you what do
you do to I mean, I know, like you volunteer,
you go to protests, like you get involved. You are
like someone that I look to like you've helped me
find my way many times. But I don't know. I
think you're a wealth of advice and wisdom.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
I mean I think so not speaking about sort of
like helping people who need but in terms of like
wealth of advice and wisdom. I'm going to tell you
what I think, no matter what, whether you want to
hear it or not. Right, Like, and I am a
big I told you so person, which is not my
best quality, but it is we are who we are,
right And what's really funny is that, like I don't

(31:58):
tell people I told them so nearly as often as
I want to. I like, keep it. I tamp it down.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, she does it is can't help it.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
I can't help it.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
You had fucking skywriting. I told you so for me
one day. Who the fuck do you think you are
in on my show?

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Sorry because I get a tattoo.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Wait, oh, I would do that.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
I told you so.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
I've got it. Yeah, mine could just be she told
me so.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
I told him so. In terms of helping, I will
say that, yes, I go to protest, and yes I will.
I'm big on like reaching out to my congress person.
I you know, I've sent letters to my governor and
my mayor. But I will tell you that I struggle
often with not knowing exactly what to do because I

(32:48):
feel like what I want to do is something that
I think will push the needle right, Like what can
I do? Who can I help? Even if it's like
one person, right, who can I help?

Speaker 3 (32:58):
It's the thing of helpless, this that I think everyone
is feeling right now, even like someone who I'm very
much in a position to do something right, But.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
You do it.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah. I was out running, I was I was traveling,
and I was out jogging in my hometown and on
the corner of like the little main street and it's
like this like little tiny little town on Long Island.
There were all these retirees who had like no kings
posters and they were protesting. And I was talking to them.

(33:31):
It's the North Fork Women for Women Fund whips, that
is their name. I am not I'm not having a
stroke whips, okay. And they were telling me that they
they take shifts every day. They're on that corner working
shifts protesting. I was like, this is amazing. I love
this so much. And they were how do I like

(33:52):
nicely described they were retired women of a certain age, sure,
and they're there are no like young startup retirees who
retired at thirty. But I feel like a lot of
people their age probably are feeling like they can't do
anything or they cannot get involved in it. It was
just like such a cool example where I was like,

(34:13):
look at these batties, look at these icons. Anyway, this
has been under oath. Let's take a break. So Melissa,
I'm really excited because Congressman Garcia is joining us today.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
He's the former mayor of California. Yeah, and he's the
US representative from California's forty second district. He's been there
since twenty twenty three. He's actually immigrant himself from Peru,
so it would be really interesting to talk to him
about Ice, what's happening there, what he's doing as a
congress person to sort of advocate for immigrant communities. Also
the first openly gay immigrant in Congress, which is very cool.

(34:51):
He I think he was undocumented at one point when
he first emigrated, So it's a very cool, interesting sort
of entree into American politics. What he's sort of working on,
I think will inform how Americans really engage with the
news cycle, right. I mean, we're always talking about how
can we ensure that people are typically engaged and have

(35:14):
real next step action items. I feel like a lot
of what's happening in American democracy right now is like, well,
it's just terrible and nothing to do, just nothing. Yeah, yeah,
And I think it'll be cool to kind of talk
to him and be able to really say like.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Hey, and I love the fact that, you know, I
think it also helps when people can see themselves in
their elected officials. So the fact that he is an immigrant,
the fact that he's you know, openly gay, like all
those things I think sort of help put the information out.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
I also love a fair Steva who's like, I'm going
to let my identity govern like how I entered the workplace,
how I enter like use my work. I'm sick of
this whole, like my life is separate from my job.
It ain't. I'm a fair Steve in the courtroom as
well as at home. I'm winning arguments in my kitchen.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Are you though? Somebody called on the.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Phone getting impeached in my phone.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I't red on the phone.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Oh all right, Congressman, all right, shut up, Congressman's college,
I got to stop talking. Welcome to brief resess, Congressman. Hey, guys,
Hi Congressman. Congressman, thank you for joining us. I know
that we actually just got the press release of what
you've been working on of the new legislation. So why
don't you take us in of what you've sort of
been focused on today. It sounds like, I mean, obviously.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
There's a lot going on, and I'm the horrors of
the trip administration never end. Today we're really focused on
and trying to really zero in just the horrific actions
by the administration. Certainly Secretary now I'm Stephen Miller, and
what's happening with ICE across the country. There are two
things that we're looking at right now. One is, we've

(36:51):
all been reading the reports of the now upwards of
one hundred and seventy US citizens that have now been detained,
in many cases sent to these facilities by ICE and
by other federal agents and who essentially have stories of
being in the centers for days and days without any

(37:11):
access to lawyers or family because they didn't have the idea.
And these are US citizens who are being targeted racially
profile because of the color of their skin. And we
know that now if ICES is doing this to US citizens,
you can imagine how others are being treated at these
centers and facilities. And so we have a broad investigation

(37:32):
going right now through Oversight into Christinoum into their actions
across the country. But we're also especially partnering with the
Senate and the Senate's oversight team and Senator Blumenthal and
US are specifically going to do a joint bi cameral
investigation into what's happening to United States citizens across this
country as well. You know what I've told folks is, look,

(37:55):
what's happening to citizens is horrific, but also reminding people
that what's happening to non citizens they also have new
process rights and the Constitution is so clear correctly and
so we have a lot of work to do. But
we were in LA with Mayor Bass making that announced
with today.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
And it's interesting you bring this up. I really wanted
to talk to you about what specifically does that mean? Right?
I think we oftentimes hear in the news like we're
investigating this, we're looking into this bi cameraalism. Could you
get specific about, like what does that literal to do
list look like when you get to the office, right,
Like walk us through it, because I think it's important
for people to hear these words have almost become pointless

(38:33):
to a lot of Americans. Oh, we're investigating, Oh there's
an oversight committee. Oh we're going to be looking into it.
I think we've been used and abused in so many
ways as Americans that these words have sort of like
lost value. So I want people to hear, like exactly
what you're doing, because I know you, I know your team,
I know you've been working on this, and I understand

(38:54):
it on like a granular level from the courtroom. But
I think it's important for people to hear really what
that means for you.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
Absolutely, No, this is great because I also I love
explaining kind of how overside.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, so I think process matters, right, Like, what's the process?
I think it's so important.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Let me so, there's two pieces of this I think
are important, and that is how and who is leading
the investigations and then what we're actually trying to accomplish
and do. So let me let me start by saying, Look,
I've been the lead Democrat on the Oversight Community. Oversight
Committee in the US House is the lead investigations committee
that exists under a constitution under it in the US Congress,

(39:34):
and so obviously the job of Congress is oversight, and
oversight is where most of the major investigations end up. Now,
I'm a I'm a pretty new newer member to the Congress.
I was mayor of lum Beach, California for eight years.
I got to Congress now a little over two years ago,
and so I was not the most senior person to
take on this job. And I think in my pitch

(39:58):
to the Democratic Cocke, I said, look, we have to
we have to do things differently. We got to bring rage.
We need people to be more aggressive. We need to
bring that fight that Republicans bring to these investigations, and
you know, the pitched work. I'm the first sophomore to
lead a committee in one hundred years in the US.

(40:20):
And I mentioned that because I think what you said
is really true that oftentimes we will launch an investigation
or folks will say they're going to hold folks accountable,
and then it just gets lost in kind of Washington speak.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Right, or we hear about it like two years later
that they kind of found something but they weren't really,
and it just it does get kind of lost in
the wash there.

Speaker 7 (40:41):
It does.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
And that is not me first, Like I first, I
am an imprint myself, and so this is very personal
to me, and it's something that I know. I've lived
through the experience, I've been undocumented. I understand what the
live experiences. And then the second piece is I think
people just should take you know, I've been lead on
investigations now for about maybe three or almost four months,

(41:04):
three four months in the Congress for Democrats, and I
show people what we've just done on the Epstein files,
for example, we are getting so much information out on
the Epstein files because we're being aggressive and we're not
waiting to be in the majority. And so the way
oversight works is when you are in the minority. So

(41:25):
Democrats are in the minority in Congress. We always have
limited powers. We don't have subpoena power, We don't have
powers to get a new document we want or anyone
from the committee. But we still can't investigate on our own,
and so that's what we're doing now. We're not waiting
to be the majority to investigate. However, when we do
win the majority in twenty twenty six, you can believe
that we will be sending out subpoenis and getting information

(41:46):
from christinew On, from Stephen Miller, from folks that are
from home, and just a variety of folks that we
are interested in. But the work has to start now.
So that's a little bit about kind of why we
have to bring new people into the party and at
the table and leading these committees is because a new
approach is also needed. And then at the second piece

(42:07):
is it is still in the minority. These investigations have
enormous the enormous ability to also help in many of
the court cases that are happening, so we partner with folks.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
That's just what I was going to say. Papering the
record documentation exactly so that court cases can move forward with.

Speaker 6 (42:23):
That documentation is so important to put out into the
public record what's actually happening in what we know. And
so many of the successful cases that are happening right
now in the courts actually reference or use many of
the investigations or the documents that we are requesting of agencies.

Speaker 7 (42:41):
To build the case. And so it's all very important work.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
I wanted to ask you because on the show, we
really like to focus on ways that everyday Americans or
other attorneys can get involved to do something. I think
so much of the internet, so much of the news
cycle is doomed, scrolling, it is getting lost in the weeds.
It is, you know, articles about literally how America is

(43:06):
headed towards fascism with no actual action, items on what
people can do, how they can get involved, things that
they can do to flex their democratic muscles. What would
you where do you need me an immigration attorney? Right? Like?
What would do your advice be to me an immigration attorney?
Or to meet Melissa who is a civically engaged democrat like, not.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
An attorney, but you know, I care very much about
what's happening in my community. I also come from an
immigrant family. What can I do?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Where do you need us? Like? And I think it's
so important that people really hear from leadership right like
what can we be doing boots on the ground to
support these efforts?

Speaker 7 (43:45):
So so two things.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
So one is obviously there's some I'm gonna talk to
difficultly about what specifically you can do to help we're
doing on the investigation side.

Speaker 7 (43:52):
So that's one piece of it broadly speaking there And I.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
Was just right now with maybe fifty kind of immigation
community activists and leaders from different groups that are on
the ground doing this work right now in Los Angeles,
and there they are modeling just the behavior. We're talking
about attorneys that are working with immigration groups. We're talking
about immigration advocates that are trying to visit these detention centers.

(44:17):
We're talking about folks that are doing rapid response on
the ground. We're talked to folks that are just donors
that are donating to kind of these rapid response networks.
I talk to faith leaders who are bringing in parishioners
who are out communicating and working with families that are
oftentimes even too scared to leave their home. And so
I have found that in every community there is a

(44:39):
group or people that are actually doing this work. Whether
it's a local church, whether it's a local immigration organization,
whether it's a group of lawyers that are doing some
pro bono work or working within the legal space. There's
a lot of ways to get involved broadly. Specifically, our
Oversight Committee is doing two things people can get directly engaged.

(45:02):
One is in in the next few weeks, you're going
to hear we'll put this and put this out. We're
going to be launching the a massive kind of one
stop ICE and information tracker.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
For the That's great, Okay, that's so great.

Speaker 7 (45:16):
That is going.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
We need it, absolutely, I need it, and.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
It doesn't exist right now. And so we want to
make sure that we are tracking every instance of abuse
and terror that is being right now put out and
being done every day by ICE and by.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Critical moment folks.

Speaker 6 (45:33):
And so we're working and building that right now, and
we have some groups that are that are assisting us
with that as well. So folks will be able to
submit video information to this track or so that we
can keep all of the information also and from a
national perspective in.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
That's so important. So most as someone who gets so
many people reaching out to me for help, that is
ninety percent of the things are just info sharing. You
don't actually need an immigration attorney half the time, but
just people are just trying to figure out what's going on.
And I think that's really important.

Speaker 6 (46:07):
Exactly, So that's going to be a way for people
to be able to communicate with us directly and send
us information so that we have it on able to
share it into the public record. The second piece, and
I know this sounds so but you said it earlier,
just for for purposes of winning in the courtroom. We
have to not just win obviously public opinion. We have

(46:28):
win in the courtroom need and first of all in
the courtroom, and we have to document and we need
to build the case.

Speaker 7 (46:35):
And it takes work, and it takes putting all this It.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Does it really does for people who don't and so and.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
For us in Congress that it's it's critical for us
to have all this information. The second piece, which we
announced today is we're going to be launching some field
hearings that will be happening in communities across the country.
Our very first one is going to be in Los Angeles.
We will be announcing the date hopefully here in the next.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Okay, Yeah, that'd be great. Share it with us, we
can put it out on the channel.

Speaker 7 (47:03):
It's great.

Speaker 6 (47:04):
And what the fuel hearing is going to be an
opportunity for members of Congress in the community to come
together and listen to testimony from people in the community.
And we're going to also provide ways where folks can
do it in a way that thinks that that we're
keeping their safety in mind as well. But it's going
to be an opportunity for there to be actual the

(47:26):
stories and actions that are happening.

Speaker 7 (47:28):
And information needs to be shared with us.

Speaker 6 (47:30):
We're going to go into the community as well, and
so the very first one will be in Los Angeles.
It'll be I think it's quite exciting, and so that's
something also.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah, definitely going into the communities is
so important. I mean, so much of what happens in
immigrant communities from my experience just as a guest, right
is word of mouth.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Yeah, Oh, for sure, that is the biggest way I mean,
is family coming from Haiti. That's how we learned about everything.
You heard it from someone's aunt, someone's cousin, a friend, etc.
So that's how you really get the word out. And
I think when it comes from your own community, you
tend to trust that information.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Right, So thank you so much for joining us. I
know you're the mayor of Long Beach. We've got a
Long Beach here in Long Island. It's a little bit different,
but to say thank you and the first openly gay
immigrant congressman, is that right? Right? That's all correct? Okay,
all right? So who's your favorite drag queen in Long Beach, California.
We're gonna actually we're gonna venmo Her in your honor.

Speaker 7 (48:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
I'm gonna vemo Her one hundred dollars. What's her name?

Speaker 7 (48:35):
Jules Jewels Long Beach is my favorite drag queen in
Long Beach.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Jewels, Long Beach. I got wait for Jewels Long Beach
to wake up at four pm and be like, who
the hell is this guy is sending me? Congressman Garcia,
send him under Carson Garcia's name. So Jewels, Long Beach
go find her on venmo or cat shop and send
her some money. Tip your drag queens. Thank you Congressman

(49:01):
for joining us so much.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
For joining us. Appreciate thank you, Bye bye, so tails
from the d M friends. Please remember, while Michael is
a lawyer, he is not your.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Lawyer unless you want to hire me.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
I mean that's a difference.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
I am for Everyone has a price, and I'm actually
pretty cheap. Just got to ask any of my ex
boyfriends ask me.

Speaker 8 (49:27):
This is Maggie from O Hi, and I was wondering
if you could explain to me what's happening with banning
of bird control pills in this country from a legal perspective.
I keep reading about it, but I would love to
know in a simple way, what is actually happening and how.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Likely this is?

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Okay, great question, this is. This is an interesting one
because it's I always feel bad when I have to
answer these because it really is it depends half the time,
like it really does depend on the state you're in. Yeah,
so right now, birth control is not being banned in
the US. I think there is. It's always like the
threat of restricting contraceptives for women is always sort of

(50:11):
a topic that continues to come up, and it is
very much. These Republicans leap on any opportunity to sort
of keep women down, down right, And it always anything
we talk about, it is always poor people who experience
the worst, right, people who are experiencing poverty.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Who who don't have access, who.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Don't have access, are It's a way to ensure that
poor people remain poor and that the rich poor gap grows.
So federal law and Supreme Court precedent still protect the
right to get contraceptives. There is a very famous Supreme
Court President Griswold versus Connecticut. It's from nineteen sixty five,

(50:53):
as well as Eisenstadt be Baared it's nineteen seventy two.
So these are the Supreme Court precedents that protect a
woman's right to come for contraceptives. I don't know why
I can't say that word because you don't have to.
I guess because I've never gotten one than pregnant, and
never even would be in a situation where that would happen.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Never.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
We can get into it. We'll do that in the
off we'll do that the b sides, the brief recests.
After dark, we'll get into that. The end scene seventeen
after eleven PM. Do you remember when VH VH one
or MTV, it was like it was like at night
it would become softcore porn. It was blue, it was

(51:34):
it was a little it was go blue. Yeah, anyway,
moving on.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Are you okay?

Speaker 3 (51:44):
We got it? We really got I love when I
dag our producer where we got the going because they
have to listen to me yapp all day, so busy
your Basically, if contraceptives were under fire, it would get
worked up through the court system and eventually go to
the Supreme Court and those precedents be argued against. I
would hope that in a situation like this there would

(52:06):
be extreme public outrage, like this really would be even
right now with the ways in which Republicans are restricting
access to abortion, it's going to be different. And that's right.
A man went on the record and said the word abortion.
I know it doesn't happen that often, but you know,
they have to be really creative with how they do it,
right they say, oh, like the fire code or oh

(52:28):
it's going to be a certain number are still within
the state, even though they're like eight hours apart, Like,
they still have to be kind of creative thinkers when
they're trying to do evil, so the same would sort
of happen with contraceptives. And also like the sort of
expansive nature of America, we think about this a lot

(52:48):
with the commerce clause, right, like interstate commerce, the transportation
of contraceptives across state lines. I know of people who
after the election were like stocking up on plan and
be in New York and like mailing it to southern states.
So it will be something interesting to watch. I haven't
really seen it come up that much, but it is

(53:11):
a very curious question, Thank you, Maggie, It really is.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
I actually wonder what's going to happen, especially you know
most of the sort of now the Republican Party and
Maga Republicans, they're very much on this. You know, we're
doing this with God behind us. And there is this
theory for a lot of religion sort of across the board, right,
like make lots of babies, make lots of babies.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
The last thing, I am happily childless, and maybe we'll
add that to my next tattoo as well, that you
are childless by choice. We come to this place to
talk about, Yes, exactly, you have the choice. Yes, I
have all the choices. I'm a white man in a suit.
I can get away with pretty much anything. Just about
you have kids, You've got a family. Do you want

(53:56):
to tell people about your life and your choices?

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Do not have any biological children. I do have a
stepdaughter who is lovely, and she and I get along
really well. And I love other people's kids. That's who
I am. I am perpetually aka Auntie Lisa. That's who
I am.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
I am the uncle. Well, my husband Brad is like
the fun uncle with the kids, but I'm the uncle
where you know, if you are beefing at school or
you need someone to help you buy beer, don't you
can't call me. I would never do that. I would
absolutely never teach you how to room.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Do not abide.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
I only roll ankles, not joints.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
He's rolled a couple of ankles.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Both both at the same time. No, you've never seen
me wear pleasers.

Speaker 8 (54:44):
Hi, this is Daisy from Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
I'm Daisy first of all, voiceover actress, love right.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
And Daisy's a really good name, whether or not it's
your real name or not.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
I don't I imagine Daisy. What do we think Daisy
looks like?

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Immediately in my head days for me is a Latina, right,
I think, And I think she's got her Chola makeup down.
I love.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
She's from the South Bronx. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Well, she says she's from lah, so I think she's
from South La.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Okay, Okay, yeah, I don't know the neighborhoods in LA
that well.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Okay, but that's who I think. I think Davy Daisy
is Fearce and I think she has got a hookie's right.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
No, I think that's right. I think we could open
like a whole like booth at a state fair of us,
just like based on people's voices, guessing what they look like.
So maybe submit a question and we'll guess what you
look like.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Anyway.

Speaker 8 (55:37):
I feel like there's so much in the news about
Trump trying to pardon pe Ditty or Gallaine Maxwell.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
We not the Ditty, shout out not again.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
No.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
I also wonder why they keep on saying that Glayne Maxwell.
I feel like everybody's mispronouncing her name. My I had
an aunt who's that was her name? Yeah, and that's
not how you say it?

Speaker 3 (56:02):
How do you say it?

Speaker 4 (56:06):
I don't know who Gallaine is all over.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Like Gallaine Galaine Gulaine is such like a clunky flat footage. Right,
We've got yeah, we've got a big flat foot stomp
in the street. It's Gallaine.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
But go ahead, sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 8 (56:26):
And I'm wondering, is there any interesting cases that previous
presidents have ever pardoned before? Are really controversial ones in
the past. We are these particularly insane.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
I mean, to try and compare American history to what's
happening right now is impossible. This is not really We
are sort of living in like the different timeline.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
None of this is real. This is a simulation.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
There have been a lot of pardons in the past
that were like, I mean, pardons are always a little
bit controversial. I remember Chelsea Manning's pardoningeople were like, oh
my god, but the arp springing like there's always sort
of like the opposition is always saying, you know, it's usually.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
One of those things that our president does on their
way out.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yes, yeah, like Roger Stone trumped about in twenty twenty,
Paul Maniford, Michael Flynn was in twenty twenty. There was
a whole sort of like crop of controversial pardons.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
I mean, Biden pardoned his son like that was.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Dad if you're watching, you better pardon my ass. If
you're ever in office, I want a pardon.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
I might send my kids to the clink. You do
just out here sullying the family name.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Tell the story of when your dad on a jury.
We might not have enough time for this, enough to
wait for the next episode. We'll do it next time, Okay. Well, yes,
there are a lot of examples of this happening throughout history.
None of them are as insane as none of them
have anything to do with human trafficking of minors. So

(57:58):
that is sort of a why old thing. If Trump
does decide to pardon, say her name.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
Just Len Maxwell, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Uh huh, so that would be unprecedented in such a
way that we would probably need a new word that
is a synonym for unprecedented that hasn't been invented yet. Anyway,
those are the weirdest things people sent me today. Thank
you so much, Congressman Garcia for coming on the show today.
I had a great time talking to you.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
I always have a good time song.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
I'm glad we got we got it all on the
record about ditty trial. Maybe we'll do a whole Didty episode.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Thank you for watching Brief Recess.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
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Speaker 4 (58:43):
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Speaker 3 (58:46):
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Speaker 4 (58:48):
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Speaker 3 (58:52):
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