Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 103: Live At The Balboa Theatre in San Diego - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hell, hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is the show where we step into the past
through our old episodes and we emerge from the other
side with brand new feelings, case updates, and more.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Today we're rewinding the episode one oh three, which we
named live at the Balboa Theater in San Diego.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
God, this was a good show. It was so good.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
This episode originally came out January eleventh, twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
All right, let's listen to the intro of episode one
oh three.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Woh yes, what's up sand Diega?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well good, there's an exit there, there's two backs there,
and of course there's one right over there.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
There you go house right stage left, there you go.
And of course we brought the rug that my great
grandmother wove on a loom.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yes, this is uh yeah, the Kilgariff family rug was
handed down from Galway, Ireland, all the way down to uh.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
It's beautiful, beautiful, God bless, it's just gorgeous and it's
and then.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
I just spilled my nail polished that I just pain
literally just painted my nails with backstage.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
George and I say a pre show prayer. This is
the insider information for locals only.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
And this is not a joke because you are like
you guys are atheists.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
No, we really say a prayer. We really say a prayer. Tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
We said a prayer to the oceans and the local manicurists.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yep. We just kind of start talking and then at
some point someone goes, amen, yeah, and so I just
painted my nails and she went to grab my hands.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Well, I know, we actually started the prayer.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
And then I went to say something like we were
like trying to be fake spiritual.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
It's what we do. And at one point I went
to say something, you just goes watch the fingers as
much for me, because I don't give a shit now
for the show. You're right, it's for the pill. I
don't want it to get all over your hands.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Oh these old things.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
My hands are covered in pen and worry it's sun damage.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Some gap jeans die because I'm not never not going
like this.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Oh no, murder.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, it's great to be here in San Diego.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
That's my segue.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
That's my segue.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Is this new did you just ride? Is this going
to be your new thing? This is my new thing?
I lean, Oh my god, this is local Georgia. No,
you're from nearby.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I'm from nearby. I like you guys better than my hometown.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Hotel, not me, nor Cal all the way, Oh thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I like nor call better than my hometown too. Ohoa,
where everyone's happy.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Let's let's rate the entire United States right now.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
The last time I was in San Diego actually was
for Comic Con. You've been, and I got in a
huge screaming fight with my friend in either the gaslight
or the gas lamp district. And I either the gaslight
or that I can't hear anything.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I bet you it's it's the gas lamp district, because
the gas like district is where people take you to
convince you that your thoughts are wrong, right.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Which just want to go there? In a fight about
don't go there? That's she was doing that. She was
gas lamping me in the light. She gas lamped the
ship out of you. We're friends now, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
But if anyone witnessed it, congratulations.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Remember that private memory of Georgia's that none of us
were Therefore, well.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
That's just the last memory I have a San Diego,
So I'm really happy that this is the last one.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Now you're making new memories all the time. By San Diego,
I went.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
To bubble with theater instead of I got in a
screaming fight, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, the last time I was here, I just had
a really mediocre set of comedy. So I also apologized
for my last my last experience here in San Diego.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
I didn't deliver any of the goods. I mean, they
should apologize to you.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I feel the same because I probably brought it am
I wrong?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I brought it in my special way that only certain
people would care about. Luckily I've accessed that audience now
we found them. Back in twenty two thousand and eight,
nobody was having it.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
It was a different time. It was a different time material.
That's right, all this, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
But I don't want to look. But are my spanks
past my knees right now?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
That's what it feels like. Let's all be friends and
tell her, Oh no, they're right there. Okay. I gave
off on those motherfuckers A long time ago. I thought
I had Caprice Banks on for a second. Me highs.
It scared me, me high me high. Spink is not
a thing. Some girls and guys hate their calves.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
That's true me spink, Oh my god, calf only spanks
might be a niche that.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
We get rich on, Steven, cut that outten, that's ours,
that's worse.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Send it in the mail. Oh, usc Stemen, come on,
I don't know where.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Are you seriously missing your cue?

Speaker 5 (06:21):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (06:23):
What what happened?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
What if he were wearing the knee high spakes?

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Look at him, he's he's panning. He's panning to the audience.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Stephen graduated from the zoo in nineteen sixteen.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Just this old giraffe. It's true. I went back to
my old cage. It was great. I'm so glad you're
free now. No, he's not with you. You know, he's
in this zoo.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
We keep the cage in the bat That's why it
took a minute to open the cage.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
So he took him out to get out here.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
They had to show him out. He was way in
the corner, all like him. Thanks now, Stephen, you're a local.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yes, I'm from southern California and I love San Diego.
That seems sarcastic, sweater, it's real. Yeah, we believe you.
Any last message for San Diego stay stay sexy. Oh you.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Bye, get your own fucking saying he steals our motto
right in front of us, and then and then.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
We walk off. That's it. Well he just ended the show.
What if we were like that, I mean, we're going
to be very soon.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Look at this huge shows of people come to see
a podcast.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
This is nuts. It's nuts. It's so fucking crazy. You guys,
what are you doing? You guys? Thank you for making
this our job. We love it. I'm so stupid.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
I used to do like work with food stuff, and
that's really cool because I love food. But then you
have to write like a new recipe for fucking Super
Bowl every year. It was like, what are you supposed
to do with fucking buffalo chicken?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Which there's no other way to make it a thing.
Let's hear some options right now. What would you do
Buffalo chicken dip.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Buffalo chickens liners, bumble and chicken fucking No, let's change.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
It up a little bit. It's impossible. Buffalo chicken pudding cake.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Karen, you should be at buffalo putting jello. I don't
know what a buffalo.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Put into a jello mold and then hide it in
someone's mailbox.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
It's a different. My thing is a different thing.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
My boy, it wasn't yesterday. I was like, murder, I
can't find the murder.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Where's the murdering? Like, oh my god, my life is
so much cooler now.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I was so happy that it was like I love food,
but I've loved true crime and I didn't realize it
was going to be a job. And then I was like,
oh my god, yeah, because then you see all the
food bloggers who were like, there's a new recipe for
Thanksgiving thing, a new thing to put stuffing in.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Good luck? Stop it. Oh hazel nuts.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
You blew my mind when you really went off. I mean,
here's the problem. We drove down from LA today. Normally
we have all kinds of travel anecdotes and funny, hilarious
things of how this city is different than our city,
and they're just like, should we go back tonight or

(09:25):
just stay like it's not this is a little bit
hometowny for us. We're just, yeah, this is a lot,
like you know what we're saying, it's like La.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
But here's the thing. People here don't give a shit,
and that rules. It rules. If you're in the industry.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
It's like, in the chillest way possible, you're not like
in the industry, it really care.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
You make movies about pot or whatever, like.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not a guy that when we were
driving through and from the head up he looked like
my friend's dad and I.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Was like, whoa.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
But then from the neck down he was dressed like
a nineteen year old surfer and I'm like, that's not
Christine's dad. It's not it can't be him. He wouldn't
have changed that much quickly.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Maybe he went into the what's it called when they
hide you? We are in the cops protection.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
We go what do you call it? When they hide you? Oh?
This is my favorite murder? By the way, I good one,
Thank you, good point. It's a really good point. This
is my favorite murder.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
I wanted to say so after I tripped over the
words witness protection program.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
So we are highly qualified true crime podcasters. That's Georgia Hartstark,
that's Karen Kilka, thank you, thank you. We actually now
like to say that to our audiences before we start,
because we know that sometimes people bring outsider We'll call
them outsiders to the show, pony boys and soda pops

(11:00):
and whatnot, and bring them to the show and they
sit here and they listen to us blather about fucking
nothing and then like all say pockets and everyone starts
screaming and they're like, what the fuck is going on?
And we feel bad for you and we're sorry, and
we know the majority of your men, and you're like,
what is happening to my spouse?

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (11:21):
This goes out to the ashers too, right, yeah dudes, yeah, dudes.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
Yeah, So yeah, we just just so you know, like, uh,
we talk about true crime, which is very dark and horrifying,
but then we also make jokes, which is highly inappropriate.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
So and we know you don't need to let us know.
We know, yeah, we know.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
If my mom's told me then it then I know
it's in there and I'm purposely.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Doing otherwise just to piss her off, that's right.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
So because we're always fourteen, that's true.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Right, Yeah, come up, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Uh anything to wrap up any other question?

Speaker 1 (12:01):
No, No, I guess that that's all I got.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
You got those allergies going again.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Fucking At least this time I brought a tissue and
didn't have to blow my nose on my skirt or
the tablecloth.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Which I've done before.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I feel like you have blown your nose on every
surface of anything in this country.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
It's some of the major theaters in this country just
don't care anymore.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, you know, it's a great feeling. Know a good allergist.
Please let me know. Email it, email it, and thank
you for an advance for helping me.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Do you want allergist? Just yeah, that's right. I love
reactive tissue. That's not what allergists do. Do you want
to show everybody your shoes real quick? Oh sure? I
mean you rarely wear a high heel.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I fucking hate that heels and those looks good, thank you.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
They're only mildly painful. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
They belong in the gas light district. If anything they do,
they really do.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Can I do this thing? They're then tinge Hey, they
are in there.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
That's why they're more comfortable because someone wore them for
years and then I put them on my feet.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
It's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Some old Italian lady wore them for like forty years.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
You were her church shoes, yeap. Yeah, and now on
summertime we'll letting it up in them. Yeah. Acord ruining
the memory of what's her name?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Oh of you mean gian Carla Rosetti yes, slips's right,
so bad at improvising Italian women's names.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, we've always said that about you. I know I
have to take that class at UCB. Should we sit down? Yes?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, oh yes, Director's chair, Director's chairs, San Diego.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
We're gonna tell you guys what to do. Then I'm
directing directing. Is that how it works?

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I think so? And then you just like and then
you just pack it up and walk the fuck away.
It's the nice part. We get to keep these. Did
you hear because you said so? Just now? Yeap? Period, Okay,
to go with the rug.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Okay, beverages did you guys just seem to try to
talk into this?

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I just tried to.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Beverages are opened, and that's let's tell you know the
show's starting is the waters are open, and I'm trying
to talk into it.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Right now. The guy's watching you hold a bottle of
water that close d mic killer.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Fair enough, consummate professional dispensional.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Someday I'm gonna get some tights that are the same
color as my dress, or maybe ones you just don't notice,
and then I won't bring all of George's hair with
me on my dress to show you.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's my dog. Strangers. Oh, I thought you said George's hair.
Oh you're so sorry, because George's hair this shit.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, I didn't know. I was like, lose all my
hair like that all over you.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Oh yeah, clumps of it are coming out. I just
didn't want to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
I just didn't know. Yeah, and then you just said
it and I was like, oh, that's so Boddy. Who
goes first? It's me? Okay, guys, Yeah, it's time.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's time to talk about all the things you're not
supposed to talk about.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
And we're back the.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Gas lamp quarter. There we go. That's the one.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Well, we're over therapized, so we're in the gas light
quarter and you're aware of it.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I should have known that one. But what are you
going to do?

Speaker 3 (15:42):
The gas light quarter?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, it's intense, but it's really fun. It is now
if I remember this correctly. We stayed in San Diego
because we were in like a high rise hotel. Yeah,
by the harbor, Yeah, with a gorgeous view.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
We didn't go home that night. That would have been dangerous.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
In my room felt very like an eighties psychological thriller.
It was very blue and white with huge windows overlooking
like the harbor.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Oh, like like like Miami Vice episode, Like.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I should have tried to ask like the bell hop
to get me a kilo of cocaine. You know what
I mean, really get into it.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I think we've only done really rad stories in San
Diego too, Like remember the one that you did about
the guy who drove a tank, Ye stole a tank.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I remember when that happened, but I mean not the
way those guys that was, Like you know, that was
a whole room full of people's hometown. That's the luckiest
story you can tell.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Well, I think the one I do this time around,
Like it's one of those stories where I'm like, Okay,
I decided to do it, and now I have to
wait for a live show, but I can't wait to
tell you. And if you pick it before I do it,
I'm gonna lose my mind. So I just really want
to just do it now, but I have to save
it for San Diego, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yep, I know we have to get real strategic. We've
learned a lot over the years.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
At what point did podcasting start feeling like a real
job instead of a lucky accident, say it with me
the network.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Oh yeah, right absolutely.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
But I was like when touring became NonStop, yeah yeah, yea, yeah,
we got into a touring loop and it we were
just never not touring, and that was when it was
I think we got uh. I was going to say
it strung out, but I mean like wrung out. Yeah,
I mean I think it just like you can't do
that much work.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, and traveling, especially because I had left my old
life doing food stuff because I was so sick of
traveling to.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Like, oh yeah, you guys had to travel all over.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, it was just part of it. And I was like, Okay,
I want something else where I can be home with
my cat. And then it's suddenly like guess what, You're
gonna be even more and Vince is coming with you,
so you have to leave him with Stephen, which is
you know, obviously fine but disruptive, but at least it's
got to come.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
It was just hard, you know, it was just like
there was the pile got higher and higher than the book.
We were doing a lot of stuff at one time.
I think this was like a real peak. It peaks
out here in the next couple years and then look,
we didn't know what the world didn't know. COVID was
waiting for us to sit down and shut up.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
That's right. We didn't come at a better time.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
I'm sorry to say it, because I know it's it's
definitely a place of privilege, but I felt like it
saved my brain.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
I got to spend Elvis's last year and a half
with him every day, which was like so meaningful to me.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
The whole experience was just so so absolutely surreal. It
was like, all these things are happening, and then it's
like shutting down the world.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, the world was like sit down and shut up. Yeah,
take a seat.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, And we were like okay, and then we're like okay,
and we won't get up for about six.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
More years, right, and I'm atropheed my butt. Yeah, all right,
your story is a fucking classic and it's so good.
Let's get into.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
It, shall we?

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Please?

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Okay, here is Karen's story about Betty Broderick.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
And guess who I'm going to talk about? Betty Broderick. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I was so excited when I put together, well, really,
when Stephen sent me. Stephen sends us like lists of
choices that we could have every city we go to.
He's very thorough and each get different choices so we
don't overlap this wonderful system. And when I saw Betty
Brodrick's name on my list, I was like, oh fuck yeah,

(19:36):
I forgot she lived down there. I have seen every
single fucking Forensic Files, twenty twenty, Nightline.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Every single I've seen this woman all.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
My life, the Full House episode she was, She's seen
them all. I'm saying that because I don't know who
she's off the top of my head. So when I
find out, I'm gonna be like, oh, really bummed.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I made that job Hope Young Comedians special where she
nailed that seven minute set. I mean, she's just been
in my life.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
No, you do know her? I bet I'm sure, but
I don't know names. Well I'll just tell you about it.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
But I got great all of my most of my
information from of course, uh Wikipedia, God bless him.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
I use them daily.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Won't give him a dime, Just kidding, donate.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
That's what my father used to say.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
When I would walk in and he would be watching
PBS at night and I'd.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Be like, what are you watching?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
He'd be like, Nova for free.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
That was his big brag. I've never given him a dome. Hilarious,
we are he's never listening to this episode. He can't.
We have to burn this the second that we're done.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
But I got some really good information from a podcast
called Once Upon a Crime that you guys probably listened to,
has hosted by Esther Ludlow. Elizabethan Broderick grew up in
the New York City suburb of Eastchester. She was the
third of six children born to a devout Roman to
devout Roman Catholic parents. Her mother was Irish American and
her father was Italian American.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
That's a bad combination, by the way.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't know if are there any Irish Italians here,
because it's not good.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
It's not right.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
You're a lunatic, right, they're screaming, super repressed, but then
you also scream all the time like nothing makes sense.
The Vasiglias were very strict parents, and as Betty later recalled,
she was trained to act as a housewife since the
day she was born.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Go to Catholic schools, Be careful with.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Dating until you find a Catholic man, support him while
he works. Be blessed in your later years with beautiful grandchildren.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
That was pass hard pass now what's my other option?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
I guess like snort cocaine in a small room until
you die.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Great, Yes, yes, I pick that one.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
She graduates from Eastchester High School in nineteen sixty five,
and that same year, when she was seventeen, she traveled
to Indiana with her friend to go watch Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Really, we're in San Diego. Pretend you're from San Diego.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Play it cool, just kidding, Go go Dame, Notre Dame.
She goes to see a Notre Dame football game with
her friend and there she meets a man named Dan Broderick.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
He was born in Pittsburgh. He was the eldest son
of a large Irish Catholic family. Oof. All Irish Catholic.
You're done for that's what I'm from. Not good, Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
He wasn't as tall or athletic as the boys that
Betty was used to dating because she was gorgeous, you know,
like h had her choice of men.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
But he lavished her.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
With attention from the second that they meant he doated
on her. So she graduates from the College of Mount
Saint Vincent in the Bunks, where she majored in early
childhood education, and she and Dan date and then on
April twelfth, nineteen sixty nine, Dan they are married the

(23:12):
honeymoon and the Caribbean, and very soon after they return
from the honeymoon, she finds out she's pregnant. That's right,
you guys, you Italians and you Irish.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Just get started right. Oh wait, get those babies. Don't
get to know each other at all. That's exactly it.
She's like, what's your favorite movie? It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
So he was finishing up his medical degree at Cornell
and they're so poor that they have to move into
the dorms together.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
This isn't There's a reenactment.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
That I watched recently and it's two actors playing the
two of them, and they sure it's great. Walk It's amazing.
It's such good acting and some really great acting. Also
because they walk into this dorm room.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
D Is that a thing? It's my thing. I love it.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
There's you can really give a lot with your back.
If you're a good BacT.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I'm going to go to batching class. You should. You should,
because that's how you become a great extra. Yeah, I've
done that, right. Is you just you really let people
know something's going on?

Speaker 1 (24:23):
That way I've definitely there's definitely me walking away in
the background in a camera in like TV shows and
shit for real, just walking away, walking past and walking away.
What do you mean I was an extra?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Oh oh oh, I thought something happened, like I when
when did.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
You get this part?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Well?

Speaker 3 (24:42):
It was on Full House? Sorry, go on, that was irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Wait was that a nineties thing that you did when
you moved to lad into the city Clueless the TV show?

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yes, Dharma and Greg Jarman?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Greg, Yeah, did you were you one of the people
in their living room?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah? Just didn't the corner you know, I had someone
in the corner hiding every episode you have to know that.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
It's a girl hider in the living room. And then
some stupid shit, other stupid shit. Well, congratulate, thank you.
It was really a highlight of my life. I bet
did you get to did you get to wait for
like eighteen hours? Eighteen hours? Yeah, eat hard boiled eggs
and backed it up right? Okay, excuse me, goodbye? Oh
and Joan of Arcadia? Whoa deep cut? Yeah? Who was

(25:28):
Joan of Arcadia? Oh? You mean the actress? You know
the storyline? Just tell me the whole series arc really quick,
I was on it. I didn't watch it. You didn't
write it. I didn't write it. I don't understand how
any of it works.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Okay in this reenactment, Okay, Betty and Dan walk in
and they have to move into a legit dorm room,
a married couple, and she's pregnant. It's the saddest thing
I've ever seen, Like one of those dorm rooms with
this cement blocks as walls where you can't like put
up your poster unless you get that special gum adhesive.
Like dark dark times for Dan and Betty. So their

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daughter Kim is born in nineteen seventy and a second daughter,
Lee is born the next year. Guys Irish Twins. Dan
finishes medical school and then tells Betty he's decided that
he's what now.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Sorry, I didn't mean stop. You meant like you don't
like what's headed.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Dan's now going to get his law degree because he's
decided that he's going to be a medical malpractice lawyer.
But that's where the money's at, which he was all about,
and so he had to get a student loan. He
goes to Harvard Law and Betty starts working. She's two
kids and working so that he can go through law school.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Honey.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
After four years, he graduates and he's hired by a
very high status law firm here in San Diego.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
So the whole he moves the whole family to coral reef. Nobody, no, nothing.
Did I cut and paste that wrong?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Or did he literally moved them onto a coral reef?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
And that's nothing that.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I feel like a lot of these the places where
bad things happen, they change the name of the place
immediately to just to be like, you can't find it,
you weirdo tourists.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Oh, that used to be called knife Town, but we
had to change the name. Bad things happened, all right,
But now he's got this high started job, so she
she doesn't have to work anymore, right, so she gets
to be the housewife that she's always been told that
she has to be.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
So Dan.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
The more successful he becomes at this law firm, and
he's very successful, the longer and longer his hours become.
And because he's you know, he tells Beddy he's out
whining and dining clients and working really hard. Well, she
of course is getting pissed, and you know, she makes
dinners and he misses them, and she kind of starts
ranting to the kids talking about their father and he's

(28:12):
not here, and you know, like really she's she always
had this habit of kind of when she got mad,
she didn't care what she said in front of the kids.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
That is a ticket to therapy, those kids Romance Town
one hundred.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
But she's feeling intensely unappreciated. She's caring for two small children.
She's in this house by herself. You know, there's no
adults around. She doesn't like the family dynamic, essentially, So
at one point she convinces or they go to I
shouldn't say she convinced him. They went to marriage Encounter,
which was this Catholic marriage retreat in the seventies or

(28:49):
marriage early eighties. Her marriage encounter my parents Not only
did my parents go, No, my parents went, and they
had a sticker on the back of my dad's Volkswagen
Marriage Encounter as if.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Like we're good, We're doing it with the Lord's help.
Oh my god, yeah, big time.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
It just sounds like a swinger's retreat for people who
believe in UFOs, doesn't it Marriage Encounter? Like whenever I'm like,
you want to have an encounter with your fucking partner.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
You don't want to have like a just see something
like for people who believe in UFOs marriage encounter swinging
with aliens. That's right, it's marriage encounter.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
An encounter is just like the least romantic marriage word.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, I don't get it. It's I'm going to change
that name marriage passing experience.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
What they did at marriage encounter was you'd have to
write your spouse a long letter talking about how you
felt about the marriage. And when I was like bar
when I was like eight, I found my parents' letters.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
No, Karen, I love little Karen. She's such a bad.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Girl, Little Karen. Little Karen didn't wasn't good with boundaries.
But little Karen.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Didn't raise herself someone. No, I actually didn't read.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
I started to read them and it started with my
mom's and it was like, dear Jim, you're this and
you're that.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
And then I was like, ew, this is none of
my business. Good for you. You are get with boundaries.
You were like here it is. I'm creeped out by
the love.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I mean they were married for like forty five years,
so marriage encounter works silently.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
Day.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, my parents didn't go divorced quickly one of them
fast divorces. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
In Dance Leander, he talks about how he knows he's
a workaholic, and he knows he's not being a good
husband or good father, but he has these financial goals
that he really wants to reach. And Betty's letter is
all about being alone in the marriage.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
It must have been.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
An okay experience for them because after soon after they
had their third third child, a boy named Dan. So
at this point Betty has two preschoolers and an infant
at home, and she started to feel like she's losing
her identity. Meanwhile, Dan is so successful and doing so well.
He actually became slightly locally famous because he represented one

(31:32):
of the families of the victims of Brent Spencer that
I don't like Monday's school shooter, So he was he.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Became well, kind of well known. So by the fall
of nineteen ninety one, he's doing so well. He leaves his.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Original law firm and opens his own and he gets
this big, these big fancy offices in a high rise,
and he asked Betty to redecorate the offices, and she
comes in and she kills it. It's gorgeous. Everyone is
like amazed, and it's all very high status.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
And like seventies I had so seventies.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
I had the brass and the crume, the smoked glass.
Can you see it? Ferns everywhere, ferns. She's like, love
a fern garden over here, macrimate everywhere, and.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Armpit hair over here.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Oh no, sorry, this is eighty one rainbows Neon Rainbows
and then Nagle in the entryway. Okay, So Dan buys
a two seater Jaguar and Betty loses her fucking shit.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Hell yeah right, it's his dream car.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
But she's like, you clearly have no interest in being
part of this family.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Although, to be fair, back in the eighties they were
like throw them in the trunk, or like put them
all on the frenze together.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
It's true, I don't worry about seatbelts. Grab that roof. Ye.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Meanwhile, Betty drove a suburban and her personalized license plate
red Lodo Mom.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
So she was like, yeah, she was doing that mother thing.
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Sexism exists, I mean you did in the eighties. I
don't know doesn't anymore.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
But she was like she was playing the part and
they were super rich, like she bought They bought stuff.
She had a spending problem, they said, and she bought
shit all the time. The kids had everything they could
possibly want. She bought design her clothes. She was like
super into the way she looked. But she was getting
really neurotic because she was starting a game weight and
she was getting older, and she was starting to gain weight,

(33:31):
and she felt like she was losing her looks and
so she was starting get like compulsive kind of reaction.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
I'm not analyzing her, I don't I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Her, but but she does sound a lot like When
I read through the story, I was like, did she
take diet pills?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Because she acts a lot like me when I was
on diet pills.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
It's like when you start yelling at somebody and then
you just kind of can't stop yelling, or you're in
your mind You're like, I don't feel this way anymore,
and yet my mouth is still angry. I don't know
what to do. It's a theory, it's not a fact.
So okay, so that the fights are beginning to escalate.
So when Dan would come home late from work, she'd

(34:12):
lock him out of the house. He'd have to throw
rocks at the kid's windows so they could let him in,
and then if.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
They did that, Betty would yell at the kids. That
was the worst part.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
These kids were right in the middle of this awful
marriage and they were they got screamed at constantly by Betty.
By Betty being angry at Dan. She would scream at
them because they were the only ones there. She would
scream about how awful he was, and she started cursing
and like getting really foul mouths, which I don't have
a problem with, but it's not.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Cool around five year old. It works for me. Did
Janet have a mouth on her?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Fuck yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:45):
And then she'd be like, do as I say, not
as I do. Don't curse, do as I say, not
as I do. It was her fucking jam for everything,
saying as she took a big drag of a Jewett.
So here's this fucked up thing.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
She would when Dan wouldn't come home from work, she
would sit the kids down and tell them they were
getting divorced, and then all the kids would get were
super upset, and then she'd go, now, since we're getting divorced,
which parents don't want to live with, and they it
would be super upsetting, and then they it wasn't until
Dan would come home from work that he would be like, no,
we're not getting divorced. It'syone, everything's fine. So it was

(35:25):
that in this story. I always had that thing of like,
you know, this story has been in kind of like
in society in our minds, I guess, first since the
eighties since it happened. Because at first it was like
the fucking crazy wife. You know, it was crazy, and
then there was the second wave of or was she

(35:46):
driven crazy?

Speaker 3 (35:48):
And there's lots of ways to take it.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
But when I hear stories like that, it's just like,
whatever's happening, that is not fair, and that control yourself,
figure out a way to control yourself, because you are
that's abuse.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
You're abusing four children repeatedly.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
So uh. And the other problem was that when they
would fight, he would just ignore her, which as I
was typing it, I was getting furious because it was
like like her, she already had an anger problem, and
he would just pretend like nothing was happening and like
sit down and eat dinner. Dan, But he's Irish Catholic,
and that's how we do it. Shut it down inside.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
So then it.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
In the fall of nineteen eighty three, he hires a
woman named Linda cole Kenna to be his legal assistant.
Linda before that had been a Delta Airlines flight attendant,
had no legal training.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
But she's hot, she was.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
She was a very homely girl with large glasses, right,
and large spanks.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
No, that's not true at all.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
In fact, Betty overheard Dan describing her, uh Linda as
being beautiful at a Christmas party and lost her fucking
of course, and immediately became convinced that the two of
them were having an affair. And she would harangue Dan
about it all the time and ask him about it,
and he was like, you're crazy or crazy or crazy
gas lamping her.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Yes, right, you know how it is in the gas
light district. He would take her to the gas light
district and gas lamp the fuck out of her. That November.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
She threw they had their both of their birthdays were
in November, so she threw a dinner party and through
the had this big party, made this huge gourmet meal.
He didn't fucking show up for it.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
What dick.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
And that night she it, you know, attempted suicide, very
very light cuts on her wrists that when he came home,
he bandaged them and.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Put her to bed and took care of her.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
But she was clearly in a very very bad place,
so she started hinting around to her Christmas time. She
starts hitting around that she wants an this emerald ring
for Christmas. And on Christmas Day when he hands her
the velvet jewelry box and she opens it up, it
isn't the one she wanted. It's smaller and less expensive,
and she throws a fucking tantrum and like shuts Christmas down.

(38:18):
Uh huh, so priorities, you know what I mean, Like
you fight for what you need emotionally.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
I mean maybe it was ugly, we don't know. I mean,
it's an emerald. What the fuck do you want?

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah? What are you, fucking Wizard of All?

Speaker 3 (38:32):
What are you gonna?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
What are you gonna go to the Emerald City and
fucking get your hair curled?

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Like Dorothy? Who are we now?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
So?

Speaker 3 (38:42):
And this whole time, these fights are escalating. Uh. He
actually moved out after that.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
He packed his bags after she ruined Christmas, moved out
after two weeks. She was like, the children can't be
inconsolable and so he moved back.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Well that's healthy for them. Yeah, it's healthy for all
of them.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Uh so let's see, this is a very odd point.
The straw that broke the camel's back for Dan was
during one of these horrible fights, Betty threw a.

Speaker 7 (39:17):
Bottle of gel at him, like hair gel, hair gel? Yeah,
was he really into his hair jel?

Speaker 3 (39:23):
I mean it was nineteen eighty five. Everybody was really
a hair gel. You didn't.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
It was actually a city mandate that you had to
wear a shit ton of hair gel.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Remember that, Like, what was it like Malibu something? It
looked like jello when you just yeah and through your hair. Yeah,
Ellie looks, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
I mean, that's one brand. It was what I was
thinking of, to be fair. That shit smelled like bad
chemicals like paste and chemicals.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Like chemicals, Like they didn't even put anything a flowery
smell in it. They were like, what if we kind
of sent this like gasoline and the kids can put
it in their hair.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
That would be fun. Everything was flammable. Then why is
my hair falling out again? Okay? So look listen, look
at my Dan moves out.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
It's February nineteen eighty five, he buys a house, his
own house. Betty becomes increasingly unhinged and she One night, Kim,
the oldest daughter, comes home, she's in high school, and
they she and Betty get into a fight because she
came home late. She drives Kim over to Dan's house
and leaves her on the front porch and drives away,

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doesn't check if Dan's home.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
He wasn't home.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
He was working late, and so by the time Dan
did get home, it was like eleven o'clock the night,
and she's just sitting on the porch crying. So she
starts living with Dan.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
Well.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Then a little while later.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Kim and Dan are out having pizza for dinner one night,
and when they come home, their younger brother, I think
it was eight year old Dan was sitting on the porch.
She had left him on the porch and nobody was home.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
And he was eight years old.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
So eventually Dan got the custody of all four kids.
She basically went and dropped all of them off and
was like this, you deal with it for a while.
Which listen for a woman that has raised four children
entirely herself.

Speaker 7 (41:20):
You go, okay, I mean today not awful yeah, share custody.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Or douce fucking something Dan, Dan drives away in his jag.
Sorry I can't hear you, Okay. Basically, their divorce was
so acrimonious and horrible it became famous.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
They got divorced.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
It was finalized in nineteen eighty nine, one of the
more famous divorce cases in the United States. And part
of it was because part of one of the arguments
was involving the fact that women who worked and put
their husband through school, how that would affect the alimony.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Yeah, and the outcome of the divorce rules. They get
it all. I mean, yeah, you'd like to think, wouldn't you.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Betty starts leaving incredibly profane answering machine messages.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
I don't know if starts, but I mean she.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
Was.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
She was trying to like kind of contact him and
make him understand how fucking livid she was all the time,
and she.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
So they have hours and hours of her answering machine
messages and it's fucking nuts.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
It's not good. She they were restraining orders.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
She would break into that house and like go through
his shit and try to find stuff. Finally, he admitted
that he, in fact all along had been having an
affair with Linda since nineteen eighty three.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
No one shocked. I mean, yeah, not good.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
One time she went into the house, the kids were there,
so she would go to Dan's house the kids, I
think at that point both girls lived there and the
boys would live there.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Sometimes.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
She walked in and said, there's a pie on the counter, and.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
She said, oh, what's that.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
And one of the boys, the younger boys, not thinking,
was like, oh, Linda made that for Dad.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
It's his favorite Boston very pie.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
And she picked up the pie and went upstairs, and
she went into the bedroom and like just started scooping
out the middle of the pie and throwing it on
the walls, marrying it on the bed, smearing it on
his clothes.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I kind of love that.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Well, I mean, you can do it, you can do it.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
What's she wrong? Does it? Ultimately? Yes, it's better than guns,
but it's not good. Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
So they get they on April twenty second, nineteen eighty nine,
Dan and Linda get married, and I think, oh, sorry, Stephen, shit,
we've got several pictures, so we need to show you.
Hold on, so can you show an early picture, because
that's Linda.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
And that's Dan.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
No photos, I'm sorry, but the first one was Betty
and Dan at their wedding.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Okay, this is Linda and Dan. Oh she's pretty. He's
forty two and she's twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Linda looked basically like Betty looked when she was that age.
So her whole obsession was she'd basically just been replaced.
She went in, she did all the work, she put
him through two fucking schools, she had his kids, she
raised his kids, and then she got replaced.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
All right.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
So oh, the day they got married, a family friend
stayed with Betty to make sure that she didn't.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Go and wreck their wedding. That's how extream her behavior was.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
So seven months after they were married, Betty Broderick drove
to Dan's house at ten forty one Cyprus Avenue in
the Marston Hills neighborhood of San Diego, and using her
daughter Lee's key to enter the house while the couple
was asleep, she shot and killed.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Them execution style, both of them. Yes, oh my, I
think I remember.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
This now, Yeah, right, you do, because do you have
her arrest photo, Stephen.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Oh, that is one smug motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Was not bombed there's Barry again. Oh my god, Arry
hair is that? Barry is the Zeleig of San Diego. God,
she is most certainly not bombed. Wow, that's scary. That's
so scary. I think my mom had that shirt. I
swear to god, I think my mom had that haircut.

(45:46):
Oh my god, that's so sad.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, she did that, and then she basically called her
daughters and told them that she did it, and then
and then turned herself into the police. Yeah, it's it's horrified.
And she did it two days before her forty second birthday. Okay,
So two bullets hit Linda in the head and chest,

(46:10):
killing her instantly. One bullet hit Dan in the chest
and it looked like he was reaching for the phone.
She had taken the phone and answering machine out of
the room previously when she'd broken into the house, so
that came up later because it was entirely premeditated.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
She said that she went over there. She didn't go
over there to kill them. She just went over there
to talk.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I think again, is yeah, instead of her mouth gun chats.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Meanwhile, she was getting sixteen thousand dollars a month alimony.
I know, right, she was living in a at the
time six hundred and fifty thousand dollars Lahoya beachfront property.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Holy.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
She had two cars, and she had a live in
like or not live in like, a full time boyfriend.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Full time boyfriend. Okay and blah, how you do it?
How on I get a full tumble of friend? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Well, she doesn't want no part time love her, that's right,
call Meghan Trainer.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
I've got a hit for her. But this is so
fucked up.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Sorry, so sorry. This is the part where the stranger
gets very upset, just so you know, he gets shot.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
He reachester a phone. There's no phone there.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
He doesn't die instantly, and in fact, he said he
looked at Betty and said to her.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Okay, you shot me, I'm dead. Those were his last words.
Pretty fucking dark. Okay.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Uh So basically, okay, now I just skipped to the
paid that insanity.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Okay. So she pleads not guilty two counts of murder
and heard what that means well at her first trial.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
So the first trial starts in October twenty second of
nineteen ninety and it was all, of course, all over
the media. It was on broadcast live on local television,
which I got. I would have loved to watch them.
Now do you imagine like staying home from school just.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Like nine years old, and I'm like, Mom, I'm not
going to school.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
I feel sick. Here ye here ye oh shit.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
So at that, she testifies she didn't intend to kill
her husband. She said she went to their house planning
to kill herself.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
That's what it was. She went there.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Saying she was going to kill herself in front of them,
and then when she went in, she has no memory
of what happened after that.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
And she says that he.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Harassed her during the bitter divorce, left her emotionally and
financially ruined, you know, financially ruined with your fucking thousands
and thousands of dollars of alimony. Her first trial end
in a deadlock jury. What Yeah, tenders reached the verdict

(49:25):
murder to hold out for manslaughter.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Guys, do they know what that means? Well?

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I think maybe some of them were like, oh, I
put my husband through college as well, and that motherfucker
lives in yeah, West Covina now with someone named Danielle.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
They call her Danny. It's not cool cool.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I think she roller skates for a living anyway, I'm
really angry. So when she's waiting for her second trial, she's
involved in a jail house scuffle with sheriff's deputies.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
They started it.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
They alleged that she injured three of them and smeared
feces around her jail cell. Yeah, I mean, I think
she just kind of went full crazo.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Like in jail, she was just like, you know what,
I gotta be me. I got to do this thing.
Later days.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
I don't have the carpool or do anything.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
What will I do with my time? Okay?

Speaker 2 (50:35):
So a second trial begins October fifteenth, nineteen ninety one.
The prosecution argues for finding a first degree murder, saying
that she carried out a cold blooded execution, and the
defense again says it should be voluntary manslaughter because she
was driven to the slang by years of psychological abuse
and intimidation. But under the cross examination, she just oh.

(50:55):
So she says that when she goes into the house
on this trial, that she walked in and went into
an altered state of consciousness and doesn't remember pulling the trigger.
So they play back and those answering machine messages where
she's fucking going crazy, and at one point she actually

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talks about getting her son to go beat up her
husband his father. In December fifth, nineteen ninety one, Superior
Court Judge Thomas J. Wheel In instructs the jury to
consider options of involuntary manslaughter, voluntary manslaughter, second and first
degree murders. The jurors deliberate, and they come back to
find Betty Broderick guilty of two counts of second dree

(51:39):
murder plus two counts of using a firearm in the
commission of a felony.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
She just recently was.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Up for a parole no way, uh huh, and it
was the second it's the second time.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
She's been up for parole.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
And on that podcast that I mentioned, they play a
tape of the four kids, and two of them want
her to stay in jail, and two of them want
her to get out man. And it is Ultimately the
whole thing is heartbreaking. There's kind, it's bad, there's nothing
worse than that. But because these children, whatever was going

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on between those adults, these children had no control and
nothing to do with it, and their lives got so
fucked up because of it. Obviously, I mean, they ended
up doing fine, but the idea of that that they're
they're still in the middle of this, and they're still
stuck in the middle.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Of that horrible life. It's so shitty. To end on
a nice note.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I believe it's In nineteen ninety two, they made a
made for TV movie that merrit At the Baxter Bernie
starred in and was nominated for an Emmy. So let's
focus on the positive. That was Brady Broadreck. Everybody.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Wow, sorry, no.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
My papers, and we're back Karen any updates, Just a couple.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Betty Broderick died this year on May eighth of natural
causes at the age of seventy eight. She was still
in jail. She would have been up for parole again
in twenty thirty two. And just a reminder that the
second season of the TV show Dirty John was about
this story and Amanda Pete played Betty and she was
so fucking incredible and it was so fucking good.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
It was unbelievable. It was a joy to watch.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, all right, well, great.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Job, thank you. Now let's get into Georgia. Story about
the Heaven's Gate col.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yes, uh, so okay, this isn't a murder because I'm
gonna do whatever the fuck.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Instead, I'm doing the cult. I most likely would have
joined Heleven's Gate.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yes, yeah, this is the exact same.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Story of when Steven sent it to me. I was like,
murdered girl, murdered girl. This girl got my Heaven's Gate.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
And I was like, oh my god, Steven, I'm so
angry at you that you didn't send me Heaven's Gate
that we're going to have a long talk after this show,
after this one and before the next one.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
He gave He did me a solid It's so good.
I can't wait and listen.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Wait, maybe I won't yell at him, because it's going
to be fun to not have had to do the work.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
They had a lot of beliefs, and I had like
six pages of their beliefs.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Oh yeah, and I was like crossing shit out, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
It was like, all right, any offham that you can remember,
like besides nikes and Jello shots.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Well they did this thing where they you know, did
the gave up all the shots? Why didn't I listen, Mar,
it's so funny. I want to join that call. You're
trying to do your thing, all right, I'll tell y'all. Okay,
in Lada, what let me tell you about it?

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Okay? Actually all right, Marshall apple White.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
He's the son of a Presbyterian minister, so already got
it together. He he begins his fullay, gotpied on paste
with them? No, he did it in the early seventies
into biblical prophecy. He was fired from the University of
Saint Thomas in Houston, Texas because of an alleged homosexual

(55:36):
relationship with one of his students.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
That's wrong, which part all of it?

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (55:43):
You guys didn't know what we're like? Okay?

Speaker 1 (55:48):
So in so he goes at some point he goes
into a psychiatric institution.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Maybe it's after this.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
And in March nineteen seventy two, and he meets Bonnie Nettles,
forty four year old married nurse music teacher from Texas.
She's super into theosophy and.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Theosophy. Theosophy and we know theosogy. Did I copy and
paste that wrong? You know it's theology and philosophy mis together.
We know what it is.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
It's kind of like, uh, where did I? Okay, don't
laugh at me, Okay, laugh at me.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
It's fine.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Biblical prophecy all that shit. She's super into it and
they uh so they kind of become really close. They
become really close friends pretty immediately. When he gets out
of the hospital, they go on eight six months so
long road trip across the United States.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
They start calling themselves bow and peepe.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Sorry. So, like inside this mental hospital, this nurse is
going around like handing out little cups of pills. But
she's like, I don't know, there's something about you.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
I just want to Yeah, I think we should be
really good friends.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
The thing about you is that your face is always
in a Bible and you're super into the possibility that extraterrestrials.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Oh almost a marriage encounter situation. Okay, yeah, I like it.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
I like it. It was on my mind. Yeah, so
he said.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
He later recalled that he felt like he had known
her for a long time and that he thought they
had met in a past life, and she told him
that their meeting had been foretold by extraterrestrials and persuaded
him that he had a divine assignment.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
She was the nurse at the mental hospital, that's what
she said. She was behind the counter.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Maybe she was lying, So we don't know, right, so
by June was nineteen seventy four. They study religious stuff.
They're into religion, sci fi theology, and they conclude that
they had been chosen to fill the Biblical prophecies and
they had been.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Given higher level of minds than other people.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
I want a relationship like that where you're like, you
meet a person.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
You guys are sitting in Applebee's.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
I mean we would be sitting at apples and you're
just like, this isn't just normal chemistry. This is alien
shit happening between us.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Well that's every fucking couple in the beginning. They're so
annoying because.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Like we're meant to be and where's Bostay? Like this
is fain and it's like you just met at a party.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
You like the other one's smell, yeah, pheromones, and you
just don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
She looks like your third grade teacher and he is
taller than you.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
So it's all working out. That's love, baby, that's love.
Or maybe you're aliens, or maybe you're both Bible prophecy aliens.
We don't know. For shouldn't judge. Listen.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Look, they wrote a pamphlet that described Jesus's reincarnation as
a Texan.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Sound familiar Texas.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
That's where Marshall apple White was from.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Maybe it's town, or it could be a quarterback of
the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Who knows you got a team, right, the Cowboys? I did?
It was the other one. I think.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I called the Denver the Denver Rattlesnakes.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
They didn't like it. It's not a thing. They didn't
like it when I called their team a rattlesnake. Well,
we know, we don't care, okay.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
They said they were two witnesses described in the n period.
I wrote and called themselves the UFO too. Oh my god,
they have the worst names.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Get out of here, bow and keep you already have
a name.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Already, I have a better one, the two fo Come on,
the two fos?

Speaker 3 (59:44):
How about the well that is at the top of
my head?

Speaker 2 (59:47):
No, she's good. But also, how about this lifelong rule.
Don't give yourself nicknames. It doesn't work that way.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
And if you're got out extra terrestrials, like, come on, it's.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
So easy that create of two live crew of aliens.
I just want to be a part of it. Both good,
let's good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
So they thought they would be killed and then restored
to life and transported onto a spaceship in an event
called the Demonstration the marriage demonstration. Aside from giving up
their earthly possessions, which is like what every cult does,
which would be like, we know, they had an institute district,
no sex, no human level relationship, no socializing rule, without

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anyone outside of the cult, they didn't call themselves a cult.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
I bet I'm calling that. Sorry, So so there's people
in their cult.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Now and they also don't. They're not boyfriend and girlfriend no,
because he was not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Her full time boyfriend. It's not like that with them.
Well he I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
They don't really say, but he had the homosexual relationship,
so I think maybe he oh it was gay, and
then maybe not, but they don't talk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Okay, these kinds of decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
It sounds like he wasn't like a cult leader who
was kind of like you want to be here, and
I'm not like gonna make you. He's a chill cult leader.
He's like a cool, chill cult leader. It's about UFOs,
which sounds fucking fun. And I can't promise I wouldn't
have joined this cult just to see what they were like,
or maybe gone to a meeting I mean it sounds
pretty cool, you like, just check stuff out. If I

(01:01:19):
believe in anything in this fucking life, it's aliens.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
So really, yeah, I hate aliens.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
I don't think we've ever seen you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
I'm not going there, okay, but a couple of their
things I was like, yeah, yeah, that's what I thought
late at night when I can't sleep. No, definitely, like,
where did rafts come from? They're aliens. It's just happened
a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
No, it's just evolution.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
It happens the smallberry's top of tall trees, you get
a long neck.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
It's not aliens. Yeah, but they were. I totally agree.
Now we're fighting about evolution. Well I agree, I disagree
any ways. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
So uh so, these decisions like this were always left
up to the members, and eight of them, including including Marshall,
decided to voluntarily get castrated because they were like, no sex, seriously.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
It's quite a commitment.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Tis, It's like a tattoo. Canna have it forever?

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
I'm gonna ask a question and reveal a deep ignorance
of mine.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Okay, No, it's not getting your dick cut off. Okay,
if I had been wrong, so disgusted.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I've always every time I hear it, I just think
someone gets kindled.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
It's a little it's just a little.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
That's not it. It's a little snip. It's a little
snipsecto me. Wait, no, it's the balls go right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
I think it's like a cat right when you like
you there?

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
It's balls? It's balls? Everybody? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Siri?

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Are so cool about that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Sorry, cool as a fucking cucumber. This guy sorry to
drink cucumbers into this conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
He's like podcast now he's like my wife, I'm really
worried about her.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Papa castrated? Where did I ended on castrated?

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Yep? Okay, here's where I would have quit the cult.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
They were also really into the Master Cleanse, meaning if
they drink nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
We've all fucking done it. Let me do the Master
cleans to say.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Lemonade, cayenne pepper, and maple syrup, and we're all like,
I'm drinking even.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
I did it for one day, not even.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
I did it from morning until my friend was like, hey,
do you want to go to happy Hour?

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Yes? Literally eight cheeseburgers and beer that night. I was like,
I'll do this against How does that work out the
next day?

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
I mean, my body at that point was a mess,
so like, thank you, because.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
That thing is I think I did it the whole thing.
I love a good starve. I'm a starver binger. That's
my jam. I just want to keep on losing and
gaining the same forty pounds for the rest of my life.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
I'm good at it. I think I am gone.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
To have all the sizes of clothes. I'm comfortable at
every fucking pair of pants.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
I have.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Us feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
I just how do you do full time master cleanse?
That's like you?

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
So they just always had diary. I think broth. Oh,
I think you got the answer is always broth. Okay,
all right, all right, all right, it doesn't matter. Listen,
call them. I look, look and listen and call them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Throughout the late seventies and eighties, membership grew. They are
described the people who joined it were quote longtime truth
seekers or spiritual hippies who had long since believed in
attempting to quote find themselves through spiritual means, calming faiths
in a sort of cultural mid You you say that,

(01:05:06):
that's how, I say, Well, into the mid eighties, so
Essentially they were people who should, like now would have just.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Gone to Burning Man and like, but back then they
have nothing. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
You know how many castrations Burning Man is making sure
it don't happen every year.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
It's magical. Yeah, thank god, beautiful. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
So then and this is just like a little aside
in the story, but I want more info. Fucking Bonnie
Nettles then dies and I had she dies in nineteen
eighty five, and I had to like find three different
articles to find out how she died, try to cancer, like,
they don't fucking mention it again, Oh it's crazy, or
even how he's secondary death, Like, yeah, is this suspicious?

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
No, it's not. I just like want more information about her.
Oh you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Sure, I just think she's a bigger part of this. Okay,
she's established this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
She told him he was an alien or whatever. Peep
Bo and Pep peep people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Uh. By the mid nineties, at this point they become
super reclusive. They start calling themselves the Higher Source and
begin recruiting via uploaded internet content. So the fucking internet starts,
and you know it's one of those like fucking GeoCities
pages do we.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Have that stement? Yea, oh no, yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:06:27):
Design that fucking they did Heaven's Gate, did someone?

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
It looks like a bad Super Bowl trophy, doesn't it?
Kind of oh good black background with green.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Writing and there's you know, there's the space theme again.
They're sharing that over into the website.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Yeah, so okay, I'll read that later. So uploaded internet.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Then they begin to talk about the upcoming So this
is when the hailbop comment was going to come down, which,
if you guys are our age, no, it was a big,
fucking crazy, exciting deal.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Sure right, yeah, some people thought the world was gonna end,
Oh for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
They thought it housed the secret to the Ultimate salvation
and descendants into the Kingdom of Heaven, aka the closure
of Heaven's Gate.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Oh they sorry, don't lead my store. Can we show
the closure of Heaven's Gate? Go show me the closure
of Heaven's Gate? Dang? Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
So they upload videos onto the web page or the
beautiful web page, and it gained a mass following through
the Internet and the ninety six they move into a
large home they called the Monastery. It was a nine
thousand square foot residents in a gated community of upscale
homes and Rancho Santa Fe San Diego.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I thought they changed the name because they were like,
they didn't. They knocked the fucking house down later, but
let me tell you why first. That's for the best, right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
I like that everybody in the balcony is from Rancho
Santa Fe.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
I also like that the front row of the first
line was super helpful and awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
No, they're good people, not just.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Screaming don't don't fucking don't overdo it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Yeah, don't, don't ruin it. Okay, Okay, you're ruining it. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
At this point, Heaven's Gate, they believed Earth was about
to be recycled. Their only chance to survive was to
leave it immediately, and they were against suicide, but they
defined suicide in their own content to mean to turn
against the next level when it's offered. And they thought
human bodies were only vessels, which I mean, are they wrong?
And so in ninety six they purchased alien Abduction Insurance,

(01:08:43):
which is a fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Who started that company, I don't know, but he's a genius.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
That she's a genius. That's Geico right there into now Geico.
They've changed their name to Geico, they would cover up
to fifty members and would pay out one million per
person covered abduction, impregnation, or death by aliens. Oh, prove it,
that's all I want to say. Prove I'm not I'm

(01:09:08):
not impregnated by an alien.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
You don't know, you can't tell, you can't tell. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
So on March nineteenth and twentieth and ninety seven, Marshall
apple White taped himself speaking of mass suicide and asserted
it was the only way to evacuate this earth.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Do you remember the video? Oh yeah, I think we
have a photo of him in the video. The eyes,
the eyes, the eyes, the eyes. What's wrong? What's wrong? Guys?

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
It's chill.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
If you're ever in Starbucks and that guy's behind you,
like or taking your order, if anyone's eyes, if their
lids go out past the iris so they're showing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
White on top, get the fuck out of there. Danger.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
As someone who has worked at both a Helsfield grocery
store and Starbucks, these dudes a and dirty change. And
they also when I worked at the health food store,
they wouldn't let you scan their groceries because they thought
that they were gonna get poisoned by the government, and
so you had to please. You bought every fucking number
in the barcode in, and like if you put it

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near the scanner, they'd freak the fuck out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
It's like, it's real fun.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
They're the only ones whose brains haven't been taken over
by the government.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
They're the only normal ones because they're not okay, God
bless them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Please, oh please keep my Brussels sprouts away from that
right light, ma'am.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
And then the course they're not nice is the thing.
I wouldn't care. I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Do whatever you want, but be nice, like there were
dicks about it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
That's the thing about hippies is there's a lot of
bad press about them, like, oh, they're soapies and love.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Hippies are fucking rude. Yeah they're rude. You're selfish. Yeah
take that to the bank. Okay, all right, okay. Taped himself.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
And then he persuaded thirty eight of his cult followers
to commit suicide.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
So that their souls could bore the craft.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
So he believed that after their deaths, an unidentified.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Flying object UFO would take.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Thank you, would take their souls to another quote level
of existence above human, which he describes as being both
physical and spiritual. Their final meal together. Here's one thing
I just couldn't cut out because it was so good.
Where did you go earlier in your story on Apple Apple?
It's not Applebee's, but it's close. Okay. They had their
final meal, like right before they did this. They were

(01:11:39):
like excited about it, and the waitress or the waiter
was like, no, they all seem like in really good spirits.
But here's the thing. They all ate the same thing.
They all shaved the same way. They all did these
things together like a cult. Yeah, and so they all
ordered the same thing. They went to Marie Calendar's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Nice yes, loving it, salad bar, sometimes live piano, good corn.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Yeah, we go. Well, I'll tell you what they ate. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
They went to Marie Calendars in Carl's Bad after party.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
I'll see you guys there. Yes, that Marie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
I'm sorry, but that Marie Calendars and Carl's Bad is
fucking nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
It's the best one. You go there, you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Drink white wine like you have six white wines Chable.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
And then you just eat pie. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Well, no, they ate iced tea, yawn, have a gloss
of wine, dinner salads with tomato vinegar dressing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
That sounds kind of nice. It is nice.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
And my favorite food jerkey pot pie. I like chicken,
but I love pop pie. So I was pretty stoked
on that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
That was their Their final meal was turkey pot pie.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Yeah, Marie Calendars in Carlsbad, California.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
This pot pie is chrispy on the top and chrispy everywhere.
We'll see. That's why I got fired. No, I didn't
that quit.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
And they also had cheesecake with blueberries on top for dessert.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Nice. Like they had dessert.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
They're like, let's go kill ourselves now. It's crazy. The
waiter said. No one seemed depressed at all or anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
So except for the one guy who was like, I
wanted snickers pie.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
We have to all do the same thing every time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
So the adherents between the ages of twenty six and
seventy two.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
They died in three seventy two.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Yeah, it might have been him, that was seventy two.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
They included him. I mean, I can't tell how old
he is from that picture, but not young. Yeah. So
here's what they did.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
They they had three groups, and so each group would
die on a different day, and the other ones would
take care of them and clean them up and stop.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Oh, so I know it's fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
So March twenty first, twenty fourth, thirty eight, Heaven's Gate
members took phenobarbital mixed with apple sauce and washed it
down with a vodka, and then they put plastic bags
around their heads after ingesting the mixture to induce asphyxiation.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Yeah, so they were not fucking around.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Yeah, right, as you're pulling that bag on your head, you're.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Like, I don't know, maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Bums me out so much.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
I remember seeing this on the news when it happened. Yeah,
and those fucking most Sorry, I don't let.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Me get to that thing, but I actually got that
part in. It's so intent. You cut it in, I
cut it in. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
So they were found dead in their home in March
twenty sixth, nineteen ninety seven, lying neatly in They're each
in their own bank beds, and like, imagine seeing this
when you're a fucking teenager and on the news. It
was so insane. It's just perfect. Everyone's perfect. They're in
these perfect bunk beds. They all have their faces and
torsos are covered by these perfect square purple cloths which

(01:14:49):
the people who were still living put over them. They
and they were all dressed in identical black shirts, sweat
black sweatpants, and brand new.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Black and white Nike Decade Athletes shoes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
So that was like the crazy like this fucking they
didn't have them then, but this meme a fucking back then. Yeah,
before memes weren't thing, Yes, the original and Nike was
like they discontinued the shoes, Yes they did, and they
actually you can sell them for a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
You can buy them for a ship. They sold like
someone bought them for.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Like a million dollars on eBay.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
Yeah, murdering. No, yeah good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
I remember the thing that upset me with that video
because it's such a it's such a walk through. It's
creepy videos. Why it's it's totally uh early Blair witch.
But to see adults in bunk beds is not cool
at all.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Yeah, it's not that alone. Something's wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
If they were just asleep and the police were like
a bunch of adults slept in bunk beds.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
And'd be like, oh God, get me out of here.
But then they took it a step further. They did.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
They each had a five dollars bill and a and
a roll of cords in their pockets, which was actually
what they when.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
They would leave the house.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Wouldn't you know, they didn't have earthly possessions, but just
in case they need to use a bus or make
a phone call, they would always bring a five dollars
bill in a world of quarters. And someone was like,
they did it as kind of a joke, just to
like have people find it. It's almost like they had
a sense of humor about it, because I didn't think
they were killing themselves. They thought they were you know,
hiling off to space, going to the God that's awful,
spared in the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Sky and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Yeah, and they also were super into Star Trek and
just like you are, just like me who almost said
Star Wars John Trek, I did, like, listen, look the
next generation was my dam when I was a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
It's good. It's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
It's also very this it's all like pastels. It was
very it was very esthetically pleasing to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
And that Will Wheaton, I sure had a crush on him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Sure he was wearing a body suit. How could you
deny him?

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Okay, and so they wore they all had patches that
said Heaven's Gate Away Team, which was a stark fictional universe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
These people were funny, they were kind of clever, like cool,
it's so odd.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
So they had the distinction of being the first well
known cult and the Internet era, and they actually they
made money designing websites for people, and that web fucking
site is still up and running.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Today by two people who are like cult members who
didn't kill themselves, like the they're the remaining two. Yeah,
well there's probably more than that. Wow. Yes, And I just.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Remember saying, didn't they all have shaved heads form I
combining that with some other cult I don't know if
they were real low key like everything was very Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
They all were the same color outfits. They were all,
you know, yeah, chill, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
So that's uh, that's your cult, Heaven's Gates, San Diego.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
You guys, Wow, So good, Okay, we're back. What are
the updates for the Heaven's Gate called Georgia.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
There's not many, just about some media. The documentary miniseries
Heaven's Gate The Cult of Cults was released on HBO
Max in twenty twenty, and then a film adaptation of
this story which you're gonna love this. It's called The Leader.
It's released on June fifth, so by the time this
comes out, it'll be out. And so Vera Faminga plays

(01:18:22):
Bonnie and none other than Tim Blake Nelson is playing Marshall,
the head of Heaven's Gate. Yes, so sweet, Yes, the
guy from the not like one of the best actors
ever of course from brother w Yes, like he's so
perfect for that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
That's incredible, Like, no one's a better actor.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
He's going to just act that down.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
He's going to act the fuck at it. And also
Michael C.

Speaker 6 (01:18:50):
White.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Yeah, so that'll be incredible. Wow, that's gonna be what
must watch TV. What do they call it? Uh when
they time to c TV? Yeah, but what's the one
where they like make it an appointment?

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Oh, appointment TV. So it's not an appointment, it's calendar TV. Calendar.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Put it in your calendar TV. Everybody, all right, we're.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Gonna wrap it up with a hometown story from the
audience in San Diego.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Do we have time? Vince? Vince's saying wrap it up?
Is it a wrap up time?

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
No? He's he's making insane hand gestures that I totally
don't under I think it's a yes, yes he's going
with this.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
When I don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
We're gonna have to work out hand gestures that we
memorize and learn.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
I should know what my husband's like, wild insane gestures mean.
But I don't yet, and I feel like you don't.
There's something wrong with her. We need to go to marriage.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Encounters and learn each other.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
Shit.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Do I pick?

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Or do you pick?

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Oh? I don't know. Like coming at the house, can
we take a look. I think we're going to do
a hometown murder. We choose, doesn't matter what you do,
it's our choice. You can do whatever you want. Ultimately,
we choose. Hold on, let's see, Uh hold on? Okay.
I love when a girl is pointing at her friend. Yeah,
that's always good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
That girl right there, Blondie. Uh oh she's drunk or terrified?

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
She's no.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
No, are you mad that your friend pointed at you?

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Okay, your head that night in the air. Hi, Hey,
what's your name? What's your name? You come here? You
have to tell us your name. Laurie. Hi, Laurie, say Hi,
Say hi to Laurie.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Everybody, do you want to face that way.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Okay, we can do it this way. Yeah, do it
this way. You can't read your nose, you can't read it. No,
or you're just texting? Do that later. You have to
earn the photo by by telling the story. Where are
you from?

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
San Diego?

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Oh? Hell yeah, girl, I just want you guys to
know she has sparkles on her cheek, so many spar sparkly,
sparkly and twinkly.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Okay, where so tell us your hometown. Take a deep breath. Yeah,
you're right, and then go ahead and me use that mic. Yeah,
you can get shit wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:21:15):
Okay, no, I will get shit wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Okay, good, we do too.

Speaker 8 (01:21:19):
Yeah, my heart is beating. Cleophis Prince Junior, the Claremont Killer.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Oh yes, yes, do you know that? No, tell me
you seem fine. I can't know you're doing. You seem
totally normal. Pretend you gotta pretend. Well, just tell us
how you're how do you know this story? Seriously, ride
up here with these with these motherfuckers.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
These motherfuckers.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Okay, So nineteen ninety.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
My best friend was murdered by a serial killer.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Okay, well that's probably why you were having a hard
time talking about it.

Speaker 8 (01:21:50):
Yeah, yeah, little more so like there's so many things
going through my mind.

Speaker 5 (01:21:54):
Oh honey, it's okay, sweet baby.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Don't comfort her. It's your story, okay, So oh I
want to get it right.

Speaker 8 (01:22:05):
January nineteen ninety, Tiffany Schultz murdered in a Claremont apartment
found by her boyfriend.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
I believe January.

Speaker 8 (01:22:14):
Then February, Jeanine winehold is her name, was murdered same
apartment buildings. She's about twenty years old. We found out,
we hear it, we hear it, and we're like, oh
my god, there's a fucking serial killer.

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
In our in San Diego.

Speaker 8 (01:22:29):
My best friend at the time was like, oh my god,
I'm going to get killed by this guy. And I'm like,
you're not going to get what are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
And she always had.

Speaker 8 (01:22:36):
A thing where she was afraid that her and her
mom were gonna get killed. Okay, So yeah, it was weird.
March goes by, We're good.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:22:47):
April, a girl named Holly Tarr, who was visiting her
brother same Claremont apartment complex, murdered, stabbed to death. So
then at that point they figured it was somebody that
was they knew. And then May East San Diego, a
woman named Alisa Keller who was thirty eight years old.

(01:23:08):
So these three girls were like in their twenties. Alisa Keller,
thirty eight years old, was murdered. They didn't figure out
it was the same person because East San Diego, like whatever,
she was murdered, she lived with in the apartment with
her daughter.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
They didn't figure it out. Blah blah blah.

Speaker 8 (01:23:29):
Okay, fast forward, so that's four people right fast forward
to September. So in the meantime, he was brtalarizing people
and stalking people but.

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
Not doing anything whatever.

Speaker 8 (01:23:44):
So September thirteenth, Thursday, I get a fucking phone call
from my other best friend's mom that says you need
to sit down. Amber was killed, And I'm like, what
when do you talk?

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
So?

Speaker 8 (01:24:00):
Amber and I had been friends for a long time
and we had this like standing date that we would
talk Mondays and Thursdays. It was kind of stupid whatever.
We were young, and I had been calling her all
day because I had that kind of weird feeling. But anyway,
so I was told she was killed, and they obviously

(01:24:20):
knew that it was the same because of whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
So is this making sense? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Yeah, I feel like I'm just like, I'm sorry. I
just to let you know, just to let you know.
As a live performer of almost twenty years, I've never
heard an audience this quite in my life, like this is.
They just want you to they want they want you
to share what you have to say, and they trust
you and they love you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Yeah, you're good.

Speaker 8 (01:24:48):
Yeah not a million years, I know, great, million years. Okay,
So I get the phone call and it was it's
actually actually interesting. Sorry hi, Because at the time it
was a police investigation. They weren't releasing any names. And
at the time my friend stepped down. Stepdad said, no,

(01:25:11):
you can't. We have to tell these people, these girls,
me and some two other people that you know, we
can't find out from the news.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):
So we were told blah blah blah.

Speaker 8 (01:25:22):
My best friend Amber and her mom Pamela Clark, who
was eighteen and pam was forty two, killed in their
home by him.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
Oh my god, six people San Diego.

Speaker 8 (01:25:33):
So then fast forward, we didn't know what the fuck
was going on, who it was. We knew that they
that he stalked as victims. February nineteen ninety one, he
was arrested in San diego, then let go, and then
he went back to where he was from. He was
originally from Alabama.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Wait, sorry, why was he let go?

Speaker 8 (01:25:53):
Probably bail. I'm not really sure what happened. I don't know,
I don't know. But he was arrested and then let go,
and then he was able to go back to Alabama.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
So they probably couldn't hold him on anything like they
didn't exactly, so he went home exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:26:05):
So then they figured out from DNA at that point
that he was like the guy, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
And then did they go and get him. They extradited
him back.

Speaker 8 (01:26:15):
Yeah, they had the whole trial and then he was
convicted on all six plus rape because he raped one
of the girls.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
Yes, yeah, and plus.

Speaker 8 (01:26:27):
Like a ship ton of burglaries and all this little
fucking shit that he did.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
So he's gone for good, they always said him.

Speaker 8 (01:26:34):
Yeah, so he's there still breathing air that belongs to
all those women that he killed.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
So thank you for telling me. So thank you you guys.
Amazing and hard.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
It's one thing to tell a hometown story about a
murder because it happened in your town. It's a totally
different thing to tell something that happened in your heart.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
That's fucking very difficult. You did a great job. Thank
you for sharing that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
And it means a lot to us to know that
somebody who is so close to the grief and pain
of a victim would listen to our podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Does that mean we only want to do right?

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
We know that comedy can be very irreverent and inappropriate
sometimes when we're talking about victims, but we never want
anyone to feel like that's what we're laughing at. We're
just laughing about talking to each other. So it means
a lot to us that you listen to our podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
Thank you, Sony, Thank you beautiful. She just goes beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
That sounded sarcastic when you said it, but I meant it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
No, it seemed like you meant it. Wait were you
being sarcastic?

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Yes, oh okay, we're back.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Are there any updates on this hometown?

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
No updates, cleofus. Prince Junior remains on death row at
San Quentin. And how brave Laurie to come up on
stage and tell that story. I mean, yeah, what incredible.
It's so incredible that like she trusted us and our audience.
Of course, because she knew she could tell.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Them, and she knew who was in the room with her. Yeah, yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Was pretty beautiful. It's really that's like the special moments
of the show where people who are like, here's my trauma,
let's share it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Yeah, they know they can. Yeah, okay, so let's hear
the titles.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
We, of course, originally entitled this show Live at the
Balboa Theater in San Diego, but based on the show
you just heard naming it today, we could call it
watch the fingers Georgia yelling at me about the pre show.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
Gas lamping me in the gaslight.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Oh dear, that's like a poem. Buffalo chicken pudding, delicious.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Let's see what about g and Carla Rosette d I
love her. Yeah, swinging with aliens. There's so many, so many,
go one more.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
One of your classic wordplay is the two fos.

Speaker 5 (01:29:06):
So many good ones.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
All right, Well, that's it for rewind. Thanks for listening, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Let us say goodbye to you now from twenty eighteen
in San Diego. You guys, this has been a fucking
incredible show.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Thank you guys so much for being here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
It's very You're such a huge crowd and You've been
so awesome and then also so incredibly respectful and play
that was really beautiful and a really cool thing to see,
an incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
Feel, and you know what, stay sexy and bye you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Elvis, do you want a cookie

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