Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 104: Garden Party - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Us. Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
This is that show where we unpack our old episodes
from our twenty eighteen podcasting Memory Suitcase plus Case updates.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Today we're rewinding the episode one oh four, which we
named Garden Party, of course we did.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
This episode originally came out on January eighteenth, twenty eighteen,
and it also marks the two year anniversary of the show,
which we realize halfway through the episode staved.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Let's listen to the intro of episode one oh four.
Center yourself, guest, Siria, are you centered? I feel like
I might be. Are you in the center?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I'm kind of I'm a little sideways, little wonky, I
might be a little wanky.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
That's because this is my my favorite murder, the podcast
with the consistently worst opening in.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
The history of podcasts. You know, we invite you in
slowly with awkwardness.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Right by making you want to turn it off, but
you stick around because you're.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Like, maybe this could get worse.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
That's that's Karen Kilgarriff. That side is Karen Kilgarriff, and
that that fake size is Georgia Hartstalk. Hi, Hi, We're
here to talk to.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
You about true crime and all the things that we
have now associated with true crime, which is everything, which
pretty much anything.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Anything, everything, all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
The thing I'm living now is just consistent pictures of
old razor blade holes in people's bathroom cabinet.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Is all about shit hidden in walls. Yes, and especially
if you have an old timey medicine cabinet, Go check yours.
I bet there's so many people listening, like, what are
you talking about? Yeah, go downstairs. I don't know if
you're upstairs. I don't know why your bathroom's downstairs.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Wait, first of all, why are you upstairs? Go downstairs.
Someone's in their car right now. They don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
So go upstairs. Go upstairs.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's a double decker bus, you know, a double decker
bus driver, How you do it? Go upstairs?

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Go upstairs to your mansion, Go into the bathroom. Why
don't you have bathroom upstairs?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, that's so weird. Everyone does, and why don't you
do you?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
And then open your cabinet, And is there a thing
that says razors can go in here or whatever? The
fucking old timey font?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes, is there a little old fashioned hole that seems
haunted and could have bloody remnants of somebody in it.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
So much DNA, so much vintage DNA. Ooh, that'd be fun.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
And just maybe you stared it for a couple hours.
Then you start to pull up it.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
And you write a book of short stories about every
person who's put a razor into that fucking hole.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
First it's an old guy, then it's a young guy,
and it's a lady shaving her legs.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yes, do you get a woman? This is why is
the patriarchy taking over your short book of short stories?

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Never forget, women shave way more than men.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
So much more.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
We're just all of our bodies, face and legs, all
of it.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Listen, when you get to be thirty something, you're gonna
shave your face too, don't You're.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
One of my favorite tweets is our friend Morgan Murphy,
hilarious comedian Morgan Murphy. She is my favorite tweet of
all time, which is your girlfriend shaves her toes.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
It's just like shit, just a little drop of hardcore solution.
That's good. Sorry, it's the truth. Like an Italian yep.
Just get it done real quick.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
You don't need two hundred and forty characters to get
the good stuff going.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
M amen. You know I had to take the like
close up mirror down from my wall in the bathroom,
the like look at this mirror, yeah, real cloth and
all the hairs and stuff. Because I kind of take
it down.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I say that special occasion hotel rooms only good call.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Then you're like, what is wrong with me? I know
when you look at your face, you're like why then
I even told me.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
But when I was growing up, we got those for
Christmas one year, my sister and I when I was
like fourteen years.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Old life because your mom was like, girls.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
It was someone else that gave them to it us,
holy shit, And we I used to sit at my
desk in my room with the lights out and that
thing on and like switching it. You know how it'd
be like day, evening night or whatever. Evening and night
are the same, but not on this rror. It was
like yea one was green, one was bright. One was
like really pink.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
What you're after? Like, what if you're at like a
like a late afternoon to night party, like that evening
is gonna come and you're gonna need to look your best.
You're gonna have to day.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, you have to adjust your eyebrow plucking to the light.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Or or men will never love you and you'll never
find a husband, never.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Find a man. You will not land a man at
this garden party unless you.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Pluck your shin. Jessicama clintalk dress can only get you
so far. And that fucking updo that permed updoo.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
You better get your list of topics to talk about
in small talk conversations, and you better shave your upper
lift or thread it or do something something. Don't forget
about those nose hairs, because that's a girl. There's here's
the worst one. Oh no, just everyone's will I'll just
catch a random black neck hair.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah yeah, I got the chin, I got the chin covered,
I got the neck. You take the neck, I'll take
the chin.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Neck might be like the next stage up. So I'm
like a whole generation older than you.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Question is it going up or down? I feel like
it might be going down.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
No, No, it's horrible.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
You're in for a treat. I'm in for the night.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
That's why I do not leave my house. I can't
trust my neck. I don't know what's coming out of
there ever.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Anyway, what we're talking about, Oh yeah, you got the mirror.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Just I would stare into would and pluck my brows
and look at my purse for so long that my
dad would just keep walking by my bedroom door, going, oh,
you would make a noise like it was a bug light,
and I was like a praying Manti's cot on a
bug let. He's like, a look at the bug light.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
But you're not my dad. Yeah, they never helped. No,
why would they. They want you to suffer, so you
don't get an ego. Well, it will fucking work and
like reach great heights or whatever. You know why, because
then you're gonna fall further. You're welcome, fourteen year old Karen.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
See, it doesn't hurt as bad when you don't climb
as high.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
When you stumble upwards, it's better than when you climb upwards.
That's right, right, or or sore upwards right? That takes
so much. Ever, that's for the rich. That's really like
people who don't have friends, like time for friends, yeah,
time for pets.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, that's for people who are like, oh, I'm a
concert clarinetist, Well congratulations, go do that, then by yourself
have a dog arc hat.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
I just I'm never home, I'm working all hours, and
it's like, well, then you're living your life wrong. Yeah,
you need a pet.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Bring it with you, Bring it to the symphony with you.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, let's teach it to fucking play a horn instrument.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Wait, speaking of which, can I tell you sidebar that
I took my dogs to the dog beach?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, which is like, I'm so jealous. If we didn't
take my cats to the dog.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Beach, shouldn't it shouldn't they would not have a good time.
But although it is one big cat box, really.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
That they'd be like, whoa, I don't think that would
happen everywhere we go with and shit.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
But because it had rained so crazy down here, there
was so much garbage and seaweed on the beach.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Frank was like in heaven.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
It was like a mini beach garbage dump. What was
in there, Well, there was one whole.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Huge fish by just a big dead fish.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
That's so cool. Then there was lots of what looked
it was pieces of plastic that looked like they were
from legs, pantyhose containers, like the eggs. We're like, why
are there so many plastic eggs around? Then there was
like a basically an a Kia futon frame. There's a
little kid in the surf that was pushing out a

(08:11):
huge like what looked like the gnarled base of an
oak tree. And he was just it was like mom
wears cigaret or Dad. They were like, oh, good to project.
You go do that in the in the riptide.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
One word pathogens just everywhere.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
One small cut on your foot.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
One tiny cut. Do you watch house? Go watch house.
They'll never trace that disease. I know, all those beautiful
young doctors on the beach. Oh my god. And there
was like oil. It was really dirty.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
And I took my feet, I took my shoes off,
and then I was like, oh, Karen. I didn't think
about it until like I have forty five minutes in.
I was like, oh, I'm there's no way I'm not
gonna have some crazy mystery rash.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
This this podcast is going to change to my favorite
staff infection. Like tonight, get your fucking feet off my couch.
Everything's covered.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I keep everything in surgical booties until I'm clear two
weeks clear too.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
This is what happens when you leave the house.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, what would your favorite staff infection?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Because there's a lot, there's so many good I really
do love foreign bodies, foreign bodies.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I like a good jump on a rusty nail. I
did that once in sixth grades.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
It was intense, but I think I did it because
I was at a slumber party that I didn't want
to be at.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
It was.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
It was very intensely Christian. I was like, I've got
to get out of here. And the next thing I knew,
I was like jumping in a field and I landed
on a rocky nil. I was like, well, like, I
got go my mom.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Unless we can break into your parents slicker cabin and
just pour some alcohol on this or wherever.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I think I need to be driven away from here,
whatever the medical procedure is, it's it's not going to
take place.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's not it's not praying over my foot.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
No, it's not going to be with your weird Christian records.
Got to go, Love the Lord, see you at school.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
But I can't handle this. A show on Netflix. Yeah,
it might be watching that everyone loves called The End
of the fucking World. No, did you heard it? No?
Oh it's so good? What is it? Okay? It's like, okay,
it's like if you took Harold and Mad yes, anti
Wes Anderson.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Anti like angry at Wes Anderson, like.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Anti like cute and like kitchen in that way, but.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Like no, shot is centered, nothing is no, it's okay
maybe just Wes Anderson, but like dark Wes Anderson. Okay,
got it?

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Okay, and then like uh, it's just like it's dark
but like cute and cool. It's like these it's really
good and there's it's murdery and there's these two young
kids in it and they're like he looks like Harold
and Harold and mad and she's super adorable and they
maybe they murder someone we don't know. Like, oh, it's
a really good show. I love it. Should I read
you the thing instead of telling you sure about it?
In my own special way? I feel like what you

(10:53):
just did was very clear. Listen. If I say it's good,
it's probably good. I mean, I feel like you're batting.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I'd say eight for ten, sure, I get Where'd I
go wrong?

Speaker 1 (11:03):
I don't know. I couldn't give you ten out of ten.
I just couldn't.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Well that's fair enough, because I'm again I want you
to climb. I want things to be hard. I want
you to earn it.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
If you compliment someone without a little bit of a
negativity in it, they're just gonna not try anymore. That's right.
They're gonna get a big head. Huh.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
And you know that's the worst thing that can happen.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
And then they're gonna show up at a fucking garden
party with hairs coming out of everywhere. Oh look at me,
I'm so pretty. I have a beard. No, this is wrong.
What's happening. You're never going to find a husband. You
you're Jessica mclin to hawk your bress. He's loved well,
grow all together.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Oh sure, you can wear that dress all you want,
but that's Laurel's not going to land you a man.
It's not the florals, No, it's the clear chin. It's
a smooth chin and a feminine chin. So shut up,
shut it are what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (11:56):
I don't know. What do you have to talk about? Okay, anything? Yeah,
I do.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Two weeks ago, the last in person upstairs, what do
we call this podcast when it's us not live? I
talked about the Beast of Jersey a whole. Somebody said.
So I was making conversation with somebody and they were like,
what was your last show about they had never listened
to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
They were just trying to be polite.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
And I went into a synopsis of what the Beast
of Jersey was all about, and as I was saying it,
I was like, stop talking now.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
You were like, oh, they were being polite. They don't
want to know about the fucking leather mask this person
wore plastic weird raybe that they raped out at anyone.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
They raped everyone they could get by themselves.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Which is why. But I think people listening to this
podcasts and why you and I are doing it is
that we realized we can't talk to anyone about But
that's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
We all have to meet here if you want to
have These are not dinner conversations.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
These aren't your friend's new girl friend. Okay, this is
like the podcast of I don't get the face of
someone who isn't interested when I held I'm about this,
isn't it cool? And then but usually they like they
kill inside their own race, and they didn't kill inside
their own race anymore. And he did this, that's amazing.
Nobody wants to know about that. That's in real life.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
People are like, anyhow, she's did you hear about the bomb, right,
So anyway, yeah, but as some of you know, I
did talk about the kind of cows because the islands
we were talking about were Jersey and Guernsey, and so
then I began to hold.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Forth like a cow expert. You are because I am.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
I am a c plus cow expert.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
That's how much I got it right.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
And I'm very angry and ashamed because I grew up
amidst cows. I had to smell their shit every day.
I it was all hay and cows and now felfa
and non stop dairy. So the fact that I got
this wrong is both shaming and then also I'm not
sure why I.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Keep I mean, proximity doesn't equal fucking knowledge. Knowledge.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Very true.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Here we go, are you ready? Always this is from Gail. Okay, Gil,
she gets right into it.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
You're absolutely right about the Jersey and Guernsey cattle breeds
coming from the islands in the English Channel, but.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
A little not right about a.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Little right. You're just a little not right, which is
so accurate about what those cows look like. Jerseys are
the smaller brown ones, and their babies look like little deer.
They are the cutest, even the groans are cute. Guernseys
are brown and white cows, and they aren't as common.
The black and white cows are whole steins. That's what

(14:36):
I was talking about. Both jerseys and guernseys are known
for their rich and flavorful milk that is high in
protein and butterfat. Although the milk that you buy from
the store has been standardized in its nutrient composition by
removing fat and adding it back again.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Government, so.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
The fat content the government, So the fat content is
most important for making other dairy products sides. Milk. Jerseys
are particularly popular because even though they are small and
don't make as much milk as larger cows, they are
much more efficient and making milk.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Think of them as the priuses of.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Dairy cattle, and I will from now on I'm a
professor of dairy and animals.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh yes, so I was pretty tickle to hear you
guys talk about cows while I was simultaneously listening to
your podcast and scrambling to edit powerpoints about cows before.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
The semester starts.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Like in her episode, that's it was like made for her.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
She's like, listen, I hate cereal rapists. Yeah, but here's
my chance to shine.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
But still I found something I could I love here,
and that's what we try to do.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
This is what it's all about.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
And then she said, cheers to all and especially the pets, Gail.
And then in parentheses it says, which in my case
is a woman's scientist name.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I don't know what that means. Oh that's great, So
thank you Gail.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Also thank you Sarah, Emma, Ali and everyone who tweeted
us this correction. We got email else from Sarah, Emma
and Ali also that we're all equally of his informative
about cows.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
That's nice.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
So just so everybody knows, Jerseys are the prettiest cows.
Guernseys are like Jersey's less pretty sister.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Oh, now we're gonna get I'm going for it.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Holstein's are black and white cows like from an old
country folk painting.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
And then the ones I grew up with were Heifer's,
which are the orange and white ones I believe they
are or maybe that's.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
I have never known so much about cows in my life.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
And and isn't it fun? Like you can now take
this straight to a dinner party.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, instead of talking about murder.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
You go straight into listing cows in their colors.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
You know how everyone loves to talk about you.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Just wait for a nice pause in the conversation. Did
you know the ones that look like there are jerseys there?

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Happers? And then you got they got room man's not
the government. May I have that salt and pepper please?
Because can I say correct? To correct nobody really, but
just to read this high ladies. And then in prenesy
says Steven animals. Oh, and this is called some Monossori
insight about Georgia's dirty feet. Uh oh, here we go,

(17:17):
blah blah blah, really nice stuff. And then on episode
one h two you mentioned attending Montessori schools and Georgia
recalls having a feet washing bucket as a Monosauri teacher.
I was cackling in my car. This dirty feed scenario
is totally not a fever dream. The goal of Montessori
schools is to teach independence, life skills, and appreciation of nature.
You are lucky enough to go to get to go

(17:38):
outside and explore and learn, allowing those feet to get nasty.
Bless your teacher for allowing the children to wash their
feet water so fun. We only have a hand washing station.
I'm not nice enough to let my little ones take
their shoes off outside. Anyways, Thanks for all you do,
stay sexy. Wash those feet, don't get murdered, Jamie.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well, Jamie though, I bet that's smart because you don't
want a like a child staph infection.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Don't step on a fucking rusty nail, do not. They'll
jump on it just to get out of school. Oh,
definitely lazy. Anyhow.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Oh, I guess this last one. This is just a
fun email. Yeah, Stephen pulled for us, Look and listen.
David Fincher's the subject line from Gina High Ladies an
honorary Lady, Stephen Raymore.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Steven's triumphantly raising his fists so good. Was watching Seven
for the first time, best time, Such a good movie
you've had twenty nine years.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I was watching seven for the first time and notice this.
And then she pulled a screen cap and it's Morgan
free Men standing in front of broad pit and the
line he's saying to him is I want you to
look and I want you to listen. Okay, And then
she back in the email says just saying, has anyone
ever seen Karen and Georgia in the same room as Morgan.

(18:56):
Karen and Morgan certainly share that deep, distinguished voice. Oh
my god, lots of love plus some sloth, greed, glutt,
me et cetera.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Gina.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
That's everyone, so goddamn funny.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
If you haven't seen seven Murderinos, young Murderinos, go watch seven.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh my god, if you haven't seen seven creepy. This
conversation ends here. Yeah, pause it, pose it.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Go check your Go downstairs and check your medicine cabinet.
That's right, Go go upstairs, Go back upstairs to you.
Why is your TV upstairs in your bathrooms downstairs? It
seems inconvenient.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, because a basement bathroom and in an attic TV
room is just hard for the family.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Is your house only a basement in an attic? What
does that mean?

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Maybe you're a doctor Seu's character. Do you have a
hat where the machines that clean the house come out
of it?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, you might want to check your hat.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Check your fucking check your hat, and then check the
fucking government man.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, tell them about cows. Inform them who goes first
this week?

Speaker 2 (19:54):
I think it's you, right?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Did I go what? Did we had a live episode.
Oh yeah, but didn't we think we were doing We're
not counting first this week. I was counting on going
first this week.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Good because I had.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
To do it last week. Yeah, I find it technically
technically yeah, do you think a bird? You think? I
think going first is better because then I can fucking
chill as shit, Oh, drink my sparkling wine. Oh you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, I do so.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
But I can't go first every week because that would suck. Yeah,
that would suck. It does suck. It's like you kind
of have to get everything up off the ground, right
all right? You set a tone.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, and then I try to intimidate you, but you
really control the mood right now, just kidding. Fuck No.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
The thing, too, is what if what if this is
your murder? What if my murder is your murder? And
I go get it first? Then you don't have to go.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I can't wait. Then I just sit back and go like, yes, girl,
tell it.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, yeah, you forgot this part. Let me tell you
this thing. Okay, fucking bang, Okay, we are back.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
God do you remember when the like well things and
walls kicked off, the razor slots kicked off.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
That's what it was no one knew what that slot
was in old timey medicine cabinets, right, which I didn't,
and it didn't we had I had that actual fucking
thing in my grandma's house.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, and that was so fascinating to learn and we
all kind of discovered it together and then then then
it basically we built from there of like, that's fascinating,
what else?

Speaker 1 (21:23):
And people started sending us the photos of the razors
and their little things, and that was very exciting.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
I was just telling Georgia off Mike that this we
are now getting into episodes where I can remember kind
of like very clearly. Those early days were very blurry, absolutely,
but then we kind of get into when we start
going like, oh, someone's giving us an idea, and then
we're building an idea, right and really getting from.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Spot like responses because it's and then so it had
been two years, so people had like been around at
that point, and it wasn't just like knew anymore.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
No, it was like that we were really getting the
call and response part of the podcast, which is like
the best part of the podcast. Yeah, and of course
becomes the worst part.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Of the fresh certain that's the worst all of the things.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
The whole kaboodle, I would love to address that. I
to this day feel shame about how I got about everything,
about how wrong I got my cow information. When I
claimed to be from the country and I claim to
be agriculturally based individual, you're not well, like, I'm kind

(22:29):
of a fraud because I am not like a dairy rancher.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
I'm not I but you're from like a farm marriage.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I grew up around them, But like, I love to
you know me, and I love to be like, oh yeah,
it's me the expert. And then they're like, it's not
a it's not a Jersey cow, it's a Girn cow
or whatever, and you're like.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Uh, all right, So eight years later and you're still.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Eating shit about it. It was a good way. This
is one of the many things this podcast taught me,
which is what the Internet taught me as a gen xer,
where it's like you can't just free kind of fibr
anymore because people can immediately be like no, it's.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Not right, that's wrong, fact checked immediately, or you're you're
talking to so many more people than you were before
this that there's going to be someone who knows what
they're talking like what you're bullshitting about, and they're gonna
call you on it.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
I'm gonna be like, uh no, I'm a cow doctor
and actually and I'm mad, actually do better with cow doctoring.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Come with me to the cow doctor.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Fucking love that guy, all right.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
End of the fucking world. That was such a great show.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah you called that one early good one.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
We had a whole our Montessori thing, which is like
the fun thing that uh Alison found the update that
Montessori is actually getting bigger.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Really it's not going away. Huh So okay, she says,
Montsory Education has continued to grow in popularity with her
prophecily five thousand Montessori schools now operating across the US. Yeah,
and we had both gone to one right, Yeah, that's
like that's weird. An we had lower back tattoos. Yeah,
and we have a podcast. I mean, the same.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Podcasts meant to be clearly crazy. All right, So I
guess I go first in this one?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
You do go? Would you rather go first or second? Like,
as a rule second?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Really, I think, primarily because it's the weird thing of
in comedy, going last is the position to be in.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, it's hard to get out.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Of that where first you do have to kind of
set up the whole thing, you're you.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Set the tone. Yeah, I think I like going first
because when I have to wait, I'm just like nervous
the whole time about going and I'm thinking the whole
time about my delivery and how it's going to go,
and so I can't concentrate. Like when I go first
and I'm done, then I can fucking just completely chill
out and listen to yours.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, so it's another reason why it's a good combination.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, but I do like the way that we've turned
it into like good like bad story, you know, heartwarming.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Story, because that's actually those are one of our many
producing decisions of like we have to consider the rollout
for the listener, not.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Just for what we like to be doing.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, always learning, right, the producing on this show is
just invisible.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
So on this one, Georgia goes first, and so you
know she's happy because this just told you.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Fucking good one.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Oh, this is an incredible survivor story. Let's get into it.
It's Georgia's story about the survival of Susan Kuhnhausen.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Okay, and now we can start, all right. So I
found this story and decided to do it, and then
really found out that it is also an I Survived.
She's in an ICE arrived episode. Yes, so this is
special for you.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
So I watched the I Survived episode.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
It was great.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
But also I got a lot, like most of my
information from an article in the Willamette Week by Beth
Slavic from twenty sixteen. So cool, Thank you, Beth, good job. Yeah,
we're proud of you. Okay, So this is the story
of Susan Kuhnhausen. Okay, any bells yet? No, I feel

(26:15):
like I'm like reading to the master. Can I just
do a quick brag? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:20):
My sister said last Weekend, I think it was. She
was like, there's an I Survived on that's amazing right now,
you need to watch it. A woman who escaped a
serial killer. And I wrote back, does she have red
hair in a green sweater? I've seen it already? And
my sister goes, that was creepy, because I know, yeah,

(26:42):
I honestly have seen them all.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Five times I've seen them maybe two. Okay, you're at
the Queen of this, so I felt a little, but
I think that this is you.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Know, do you mind if I will listen to you
and guests the whole time? Yeah, I'll bring in when
I think I know that's what this podcast is.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, girl, this podcast doesn't be quiet while I tell
you about the story. Please be quiet. Interrupt the shit
out of me with incorrect guesses.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
This is the one time I've been interrupting you for
two years straight, but this is the one time we
were like, could you please be quiet?

Speaker 1 (27:11):
This isn't I survived. It's actually really and wait, literally
two years straight today.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
That's right, it's our two year fucking anniversary.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
God of existing, of existing, of having real fucking personalities, Yeah, lives.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Having an interest that we shared. I thought this could
possibly be interesting.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
First day of the rest of our lives. Insanely two years.
High five Georgia Hardstar, Thank you too, Karen CT. This
podcast would be going to Montssori. No, it wouldn't. That's
too young, right.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
It's too young.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
But unless day care working, daycare working moms. Yeah, listen,
we get Steve Stephen. Will you be this podcast nanny?
Stephen's the podcast nanny. I would think so Steven. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, I'll take care of you. You would be a manny, right,
oh right, right, right, right, Stephen. You came in what
a year and a half? I mean like six months.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
In my my I guess two.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Year old knows.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
There's a heart in his calendar.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Oh yeah, it's like.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
A little like in my locker.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
It's like, yeah, my two universary is in May.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Okay. Yeah, well, well we're going to say right now
that we'll get you something for your two anniversary, and
then we won't, so.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Then we'll make up for it and it'll be even better.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yes, that's that's exactly all I can hope for. You've
ever wanted we do?

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Right? Yeah, exactly, you know how we do it?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, okay, all right, Susan Kuhhausen, Okay, here we go.
On the evening of Wednesday, September sixth, two thousand and six,
fifty one year old emergency room nurse of nearly thirty years,
Susan Kuhnhausen ended her shift at Providence Portland Medical Center
and headed to her appointment at Perfect Look Hair Salon

(28:55):
in East Burnside Street on East Burnside Street, Portland. I
guess you know what that is? You already know d'ian.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
No, no, no, I don't I know that area though.
The burnside just okay, so perfect.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Look it's our new hair salon. It's so good, it's
so good. Susan had moved to Oregon in the early eighties.
She settled in Portland, and she was well liked by
everyone and who knew her. Of course, everyone says she's outgoing, vivacious,
she's this amazing nurse. She's loved by everyone. In nineteen
eighty eight, when she was in her early thirties, Susan,
along with a friend and her mom's help, placed a
singles ad in the Willamette Week, which is what this

(29:29):
fucking I just realized is what this article is from.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Oh yeah, I didn't about it together. That's awesome, that's amazing.
That's a very popular circular. Is that in Portland?

Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think it still exists. Yeah, looking for and so
she placed a singles ad, which is how I used
to find love. It's like before, could you imagine?

Speaker 2 (29:49):
No, it's just like, oh, it's all like letters and
numbers and like I'm a Taurus s f.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
S looking for D. I think my mom put one
of those in in like Irvine Weekly or whatever in
the eighties. Did she get me? Did she catch any
good fish? I'm sure she didn't Jesus, because she dated
were horrendous. Were they sick? Nay? You know, they were
just like like single dads in the eighties were creeps,

(30:16):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
A lot of transition lenses, a lot of mustards.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, yeah, all right. This isn't about me, okay, or Janet,
Sorry about Janet. It's always about Janet, okay. So she
wrote looking for a quote someone different, and then about herself,
she wrote, overweight but not over life, which I love
so much.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
There's your there's like a that's a necklace instead of
like live laugh love, overweight but.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Not over life, not over life. And then you kick
a stranger in.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
The dicksie by your necklace. Can you know?

Speaker 1 (30:52):
The website Reductress. But I'm just like their fucking headlines
make me laugh so harder, and their articles it's like
it's like the Onion for women. Yes, they have like
a merch now and one of their they have a
shirt that has an arrow and it's up to the
arrow goes to your face and it says, my vagina's
up here.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
They had one after the Golden Globes that said zero
quotes from men about.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
The me too movement so funny, it's so good. Okay,
someone different, overweight but not over life, seeks sm who
wants more out of a relationship than just quote slender
fucking girl. Yes, wow, godness is.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
In the late eighties when none of these attitudes are allowed.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
No, you go to fucking jazzer size and were you
diet and reduce or you're nothing and no one.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
It's blaming our bust everybody. It was a hard time.
But then meanwhile we were being tricked into ingesting fake
diet food that was actually filled with sugar, so like
we all thought New York Seltzer was diet. Yeah, and
we're like, this is so delicious, and you drink like
seven of them and it's just like drinking good right.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
And then you scream at your kids. Yeah, okay, okay.
Thirty nine old Mike koon Hansen responded and about him,
Susan said, quote, he had a nice voice. I was
impressed he wanted to talk about deeper things, which I
wrote red flag. You know, no he doesn't. He goes
straight to poetry. Get out of their deeper things, deeper
than what than what?

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Their first day was in February nineteen eighty eight. Mike
Mike was adopted as a newborn in nineteen forty eight,
grew up in Portland. He told Susan he saw combat
in Vietnam, but military records list him as a switchboard operator.
Within the year, they drove to Reno to get married.
So she marries the student Mike Kuhnhamhausen. Okay, it quickly soured,

(32:40):
she said, quote it wasn't long after. Wait a second,
Wait a second, don't give it away for the listeners
at home. I won't. I think I might just say
give me a give me like a keyword. She finds
him in the house. No, okay, but close, I think
you do know you're just not there yet. Okay, we

(33:03):
gotta get you for a little further. And then you're
like yes, okay, No, No, it wasn't very long after
we got married that there was no more hiking, no
more going out. Yeah, because people say they're into shit,
that they're not into shit, and then in a year
they're sick of you, which is why you need to
start a relationship, saying I like to sit at home
and binge, watch shit with my cats and fucking gets
take out.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, what's past like topical weekend interest. Yeah, that's the
reality of the relationship.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Nobody likes to hike.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
No, it's total dating bullshit. It's stupid, it's really dumb.
It's for single, desperate, thirsty people literally literally.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Okay. Though married. Within a few years of the wedding,
Mike got a new job as a janitorial supervisor for
Oregon Entertainment, the parent company of Fantasy Adult Video. So
basically he started working for an adult video company as
the genitor, which has to be like a bomber job,
like about you don't come home from that fucking kicking

(33:58):
your heels and fucking your wife.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Even if it's all paper products. I'm like guys and ties,
there is still a level of light scum. I would
say on everything that he that was his job just
to mop.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Off totally literally and figuratively. Yeah, okay, So he starts
slowly revealing to her in the early years that he'd
never really been happy his life. Philosophy, she says, was
life's a shit sandwich and every day you take another
bite until you die. Fucking Thanks Garfield. Jesus Christ. This
is why everyone needs to go to therapy and get pharmaceuticals. Yes,

(34:34):
well not everyone, but this guy clearly.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I mean it's just so sorry. That's all of life
to you. Yeah, like you're not gonna you have that
attitude and you're not gonna do anything you change it.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Like take a chill pill, and by chill pill, I
mean a fucking zola.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
On it, slip the up, anything, something, help yourself.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Okay, Mike chain smoked. He also pounded diet cokes, which
is like, is that why are you being a dick
about it? He was very controlling. He would found Susan
about her plans when she went out, and he kept
track of her spending and complained about all her purchases,
which is like, shut up, I need to go to
perfect look every two weeks or you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Tell me I look like shit. Yes exactly. Also, she
is an emergency room nurse. Yeah, she's pulling down that
Oh yeah, union wage. She's doing very well.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, your fantasy adult fucking video store is not the
same wage.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Probably not so. Yeah, the spending discussion, anyway.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Let's talk about marriage. Okay. Seventeen years into their marriage,
Susan is like, fuck this shit. She said, I cared
about him, but I didn't want to live with him anymore.
I wanted to be happy again. So in September two
thousand and five, she kicks On the fuck out of
the house and he moves into his father's home. But
Susan never changes the locks or the alarm code, which
was their anniversary. Well, why would she?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
It's her husband, Right, She thinks she knows and has
a relationship with.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Right, so she wasn't surprised. After her hair appointment, she
gets home, she's still in her scrubs. It's six thirty
seven pm. She lives in Montevilla neighborhood, comes home, finds
a note by the microwave from Mike because they're still
talking and stuff, saying, Sue, I haven't been sleeping, had
to get away, went to the beach. He said he'd
see here on Friday or Saturday. Love me, he says.

(36:20):
So Susan disarms the alarm, goes through the house to
the front, grabs her mail, and she comes back inside
and looks through the house to her bedroom and sees
that it's really fucking dark in her bedroom normally and
She's like, oh, I thought I've opened the drapes that morning.
That's like something is off. She knew it immediately in
the fucking and insect part of her brain.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Well, there's what is scarier than that, when you're standing
in your house and there's something off, there's something that
you didn't do. That is like I always have a lamp.
There's a one lamp I'd never turn on. Oh and
if that were off. If I came home and that
were off, I would be like, well, I would think
I got my electricity turned off, which happens constantly.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
But my thing is like if my cats aren't if
one of the cats aren't greeting me, there's something wrong
in the house. Yes, you know, like, yeah, they're scared.
There's there's a.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Reason if my dogs aren't there barking at the window
like I'm the mailman, I think they're both dead. Like
I feature, oh, they they ate chemicals, they ate whatever.
Like I get through a whole thing of trying to
go into acceptance about losing boat dogs at the same time,
and then Georgia like walk up, like what what.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I was sleeping the other day? Vincent came home and
the whole house smelled like cigarettes, like someone had just
smoked a cigarette or was smoking a cigarette in the house.
It was really fucking creepy. And you like went room
to room and looked everywhere and what was Did you
have a window open? No, I don't know what it was.
It was probably someone in the hallway or something. Wait.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I think we've talked about this already, but did I
ever tell you about my friends who live in New
York and they they are the producers of Eugene Mermon's
comedy festival HU, And they put a camera in their
house because they in their apartment they kept noticing little
things move and so finally they put this camera in

(38:10):
their house that would switch on if there.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Was a movement.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, and so the guy was at work, it switches on.
Their landlord just is going into their house walking around,
and she's it's one.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Of the creepiest ideas. They showed it to me.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
And she's just really slowly walking around and looking at everything.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
And she like at one point walks upstairs, which is
just their bedroom, and is up there for like three
minutes and then comes back down. I never told you
about that now, And then she just leaves, But it
was like one of the creepiest, weirdest things I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
How come she was moving shit.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
It's like she would she would look over, like for
a while, she'd look at pictures, or she'd like lean over.
She was just snooping around. So I'm sure one time
she like pick up a magazine at it and put
it down, thinking they'll never notice. Oh my god, isn't
that amazing?

Speaker 1 (38:59):
You know that's happened in your life? Oh my god, right,
like someone's gone through your shit. When I was a kid,
when I was like a there was a certain young
part period in my life. I was like twelve where
all I fucking did was snoop through my fucking family's shit. Yes,
just snoop. It was so much fun.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I would always go through my mom's nightstand drawer because
there was always weird, super random shit in there, but
there was never anything good.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
But it would be like, if I dig back here
far enough, there was something weird where I'm.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Like, is this sexual? I'm not sure, and it never was.
It was like never what I wanted it. One time
I thought I found a porn under my parents' bed
and I pulled it out and I was just an
exercise like these videotape Yeah, I was gonna say a VCR.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
My friend and I went through we it was during
this time, and I had a friend who was like, yeah,
let's go through my mom shit too, And we both
had single moms and we found like it must have
been given to her as a gag gift. Because now
that I'm older, I'm like, no one would use those
on themselves. It's disgusting. But at the time they were like,
I think we like stopped looking through people's stuff after

(40:06):
we found this box of like weird dill Noo attachments. Yes,
we were both like oh no, yeah, and never talked
about it again.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
That's the thing that you learn depending from somewhere between
when you're eleven and fourteen, yeah, which is you can
go ahead and snoop all you want, but there's a
you have to land on the other side of snooping, yeah,
which is not only that you you're a snooper and
you could get caught.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, known as that. Yeah, but then you know something, Yeah,
there might be shit you don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
You're not even imagining what you wouldn't want to know, Yeah,
and managing that you're just being like, I know what
this is going to amount to.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah, don't do it, do not? Or I mean do
but just know that.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
But then you have to die with some secrets. You
could snoop up a secret that you're then you're just like.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Well or I just know that and talk about it.
You're a slater. It's true. Okay, this isn't about me.
This is about Susan's disarming her alarm. It's dark in
her room. She goes to her room. This is your
last chance to guess what this is.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I know what this is because sorry, Mike is not
in the house.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
No, okay, but your but I know what you know?
You think, okay, you know, but you have no idea.
From behind the bedroom door, a man suddenly lurches towards me.
It's a hired guy. Sorry, sorry, okay, Susan doesn't recognize

(41:31):
his face. He's got dockers, a blue striped shirt on,
and a tan baseball hat pulled down over his eyes.
He has yellow rubber gloves on his hands and is
carrying a red and black claw fucking hammer, a clawhammer clawhammer.
He swings the fucking hammer and his first blow lands
on her left temple.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Okay, you hire a hit man and he's like, here's
how I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
I'm gonna bludge in her to death.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
I'm gonna I choose to bludge in a person as
opposed to just shoot them get out of here.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yes, yeah, horrify Yeah okay. So, using her instincts and
her three decades of experience in the er where Karen,
all the e R nurses are trained regularly in self defense,
learning how to slip out of headlocks and clutches. Wow,
Susan knows instinctively to crowd her attacker, not to like

(42:22):
cower and back off, because the blows land shittier if
you are the closer you are. I'm not this, don't legally,
I am not telling you to do anything when you
get attacked, et cetera. Yeah, and that would have less
force the swings of the hammer if she's not. If
she's super close to him, she fucking screams at him,

(42:44):
who are you? What do you want? She's fucking yelling
at him, but he doesn't answer. Susan's only five foot four,
so she's five inches shorter than the man, and she
has two bad knees from repeded injuries and her excessive weight,
as she fucking clearly stated in her in her single spad,
she out but she outweighed him because he was super skinny,

(43:07):
so she says she She slams her body up against
his attempts to push him over, but he doesn't fall. Instead,
he pushes Susan against the bedroom wall, then says, the
only phrase that he ever said, He's going to say
that night, secretly between you and me, the last fucking
thing he'll ever say. Oh, you're strong, You're strong. And

(43:33):
she says that the phrase sends surges of adrenaline through
her because she said quote. With hearing this phrase, she says,
he's here to kill me. She realized at that moment,
I don't know why, I don't know who he is,
but his intent was clear and those are his last
fucking words ever.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Susan pushes him again and says, who sent you? She
wrestles the hammer from him, and she fucking swings the
claw three or four times into his skull. Fuck she
got the fucking hammer. Yes, He grabs it back, and
so Susan grabs his throat and says, who sent you here?
Squeezing his fucking throat. His face turns red and purple,

(44:16):
and then he goes blue. Susan freaks out at that
moment and lets go and tries to fucking run. She
he catches her though, as she's running from the bedroom.
They're in this narrow hallway together. He spins her around
and punches her, splitting her lip. Punches her again and
she falls to the floor, and when she looks up,

(44:36):
he's standing over her with the hammer, And at that moment,
she thinks, I'm going to die today. Why did she
let go when his face is blue? I mean, people
don't want to kill people, true, but fuck, I know,
at least make him pass out. I mean, yeah, but
like you think close enough.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Right, the fact that he was able to get up,
I guess so I always think I'm smarter than people
and death near death situations.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
So she she needs to get the hammer from him,
so she pulls him to the floor with her. So
he's standing over her and she fucking pulls to the
ground her.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
That's brilliant, I know.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
She starts to bite him in her mind, thinking I
know I'm gonna die, but I'm gonna fucking leave teeth
marks so people know that he like can find him. Yeah,
so she wrestling on the floor together, she bites his arm,
his flank, in his thigh, and bites through his fucking zipper,
to his fucking genitals, to his dick. They can't write
that in the will, i'met probably probably not. At the

(45:31):
same time, she's going through his fucking pockets looking for
ID so she can like throw his wallet under the bed,
so like the cops will know who it is. Jesus.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Well, you know what, the er, her working in an
er probably prepped her for so many.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Times there's no time to panic.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, yeah, real click, clear, thinker and horrible.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Here's exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
She said.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I was like a down power line snapping on the pavement.
How cool is that?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (45:57):
I know the fight at this point lasted. You know
how long this fight has gone on? How long can
you fucking fight for? Do you think I would give
it a good nineteen minutes? Okay, never mind it's fourteen.
Oh but however, that's a lot. You're trying to say,
like six hours. I can't even do five minutes of cardio.
I can't even walk up your stairs without being winded. Exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Yeah, all right, so we'll edit that out and then
I'll say six minutes.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Okay, okay, great. They're both wedged on their sides in
the small hallway. She throws a leg over his body,
climbs on top of him, hooks her left arm around
his neck's neck so she's got on a fucking chokehold.
Ww style, says, tell me who's sent Tell me who
sent you here, and I will call you a fucking ambulance.
And all he did was growl. And then she says,

(46:48):
when I realized I was not going to ever regain
the hammer, it came to me that I need I
needed to become the weapon. She growl us, she says.
She leans forward, tightens her against his throat, and he
stopped moving. She grabs a hammer and runs outside of
the neighbors. They call nine one one. Here's a quote
from the nine to one call. Do you need an ambulance? Says?

(47:09):
They said, do you need an ambulance? And the neighbor
said no. She's a nurse, she says, calling ambulance for
the guy. He may be dead. She's like, ahaa, fucking fine,
but she is not. She is she doesn't know. She
doesn't feel like as much of a badass about this.
As we think of her as a bad ass, she's
like freaked the fuck out about us. Of course, of course,

(47:30):
I mean not just that this happened to her, but
that she killed the dude, right.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Okay, So that's I mean, that's a horrible burden.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yes, So the man was fucking dead. His name's His
name was Edward Haffey. He was a fifty nine year
old Vietnam veteran. On off the top, she showed he
had a near lethal dose of cocaine in a system
when he died. Relatives and friends told police he'd been
raised in an upper middle class home and was an
avid tennis player. So something fucking happened, and I bet

(47:58):
it's cocaine. Yeah, recently lived or Vietnam. He recently lived
in a trailer on northeast Killingsworth Street and had a
long rap sheet. In Susan's basement, they find Ed's backpack
and inside is a container of Hershey's syrup, what two
hundred dollars in cash, diabetes pill and a day book
and a paystub. So court records show that fifteen years earlier,

(48:21):
on February twenty eighth, nineteen ninety one, this guy, Edward Hafey,
arranged the murder of his ex girlfriend, thirty nine year
old Georgia Lee Dutton. Weird that my name is Georgia
and my sister's nickname is Lee.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, not really, a little bit, a little bit touch
of weird, let's go a little.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Her decomposed body was later found along the Umpqua River.
That's right? Is that right near Roseberg? So I tried
to look up details about her murder because I wanted
to say some more about her, but I can't find
anything at all. So he had pled guilty to conspiracy
to commit aggurated murder in nineteen ninety four and spent
the next nine years in the Eastern Oregon Correctional Institution.

(49:01):
And he had been released in November of two thousand
and three for murder. Oh god, okay, oh my good.
After he got out, he moved to Portland and in
July two thousand and four was hired by none other
than our fucking friend Mike Koon haunts Hawsen. The worst
last name of his name, it's clean floors at adult

(49:22):
at Fantasy Adult Video. Oh so they were work mats,
they were workmates. So which is where the pay stub
in his backpack was from oh okay, okay. There's also
a day book that had an entry that said call
Mike for September fourth, two thousand and six, along with
Mike's new cell phone number.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
So like, not a good murderer, No, one's covering anything.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Not a good hit man. No, and he got killed
instead of well.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
I mean the claw the claw hammer is the indicator.
This is not a hit man. This is like a lunatic.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah, definitely. So on September eighth, Mike left a suicide
note at his father's house, saying, oh, all I ever
wanted was to be loved, and every time I had it,
I fucked it up. No, dude, you're a piece of shit.
Don't feel fucking sorry for yourself.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, this is not the time for if you have
arranged the murder of your ex wife that. Yeah, it's
not the time to talk about how hard things are.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
For you, right and how bad it is that you
fuck things up. So then he takes off. Ten am
on September thirteenth, a deputy finds Mike in the parking
garage of a Kaiser. Mike says, he's checking himself in,
don't kaiser?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah, they won't have They'll have you there for ten minutes, max,
well for to a psychiatric hold.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Oh sorry, whatever, talk and shit.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
I didn't realize Kaiser had any psychiatric services available.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Let's go try it. I will right now, I will.
So police put him an involuntary psychiatric hold. Then they
put him under arrest for conspiracy commit murder, obviously at
a motive. He had lost his job weeks earlier, he
had no place to live. Susan had named her brother
as a beneficiar in her life insurance policy, which is
so smart, because she was like, I'm divorced, Like she
must have had some fucking yeah, you know, and Mike

(51:05):
knew that. But Susan and Mike had paid off that
house and it was worth about three hundred thousand dollars
and it would be all his if Susan died, so
he Mike claims he has nothing to do with it.
But there's no signs of fourth century at Susan's home,
and the security record showed someone had disabled the alarm
while Susan was at work. Mike later said he had
just dropped the note off, but they were like, you

(51:27):
let this fucking killer inside me. He's like no, No,
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Oh, the note was like his cover of like the
yeas that I was there, but it wasn't my thing.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
I was there and I disabled the alarm, but it
was so I could leave this note. And they're like, yeah,
but clearly you just fucking let this guy in.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
At the same time, and also if they're getting a
divorced or divorced, why would she give a shit if
he's going somewhere like right, tell me when you get
back that you went somewhere right.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
No, it's it's very stupid. Yeah, so blah blah blah.
All these other little things happen, and we know it's him.
The promise was a fifty thousand dollars pay day for
this the dude who killed her, who got killed. On
August thirtieth, two thousand and seven, Mike pleads guilty to solicituding.
Solicituding maybe Susan's murder, okay, and that so the hitman's

(52:13):
aunt writes a letter to Susan in twenty ten after
all this takes place, saying, although this was a terrible
thing that happened, no one in this family has any
bad feelings towards you. You did what you were forced
to do, and in doing so, you spared many from
the same trauma you experienced.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
That's right. Oh my god, that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I know. So Susan filed for divorce the day after
Mike's arrest.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Oh they were just separated.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, they hadn't divorced yet, Okay, okay, And by twenty fourteen,
she had moved to a new Portland home and like
a crazy out of the way cul de sac, she said,
she felt like a quote, a broken plate glued back together,
Like she's just it's so sweet that she's so fucking
heartbroken about how to kill someone, even though the person
she killed out of self defense was the person who

(53:04):
was sent to murder her, the person who attempted to
murder her. Yeah, very seriously, she's a badass and she's
justified as fuck, and what an amazing person. And we
all hope that we would act the same way in
such a situation, and we're in awe of her that
she fucking did that, and it doesn't really feel that way.
I think when it happens is what this shows us.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Right, it's like, first that's that's the effect that has
on us as first person.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Especially as a nurse who's like trained to save lives.
That's her point in life. Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
And she's and she understands why people get into the
situation where they're like, I'm doing so much coke, I
think it's okay to kill someone h the claw hammer.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Yeah, the worst. So so she she's super parent at
this time. She says, I'm doing a life sentence for
picking a bad husband, which is likely. Don't put that
on you. Yeah, we're all broken plates.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
We're all broken plates.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
We're all broken plate.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
We've never been whole plates. Yeah. Maybe right when we
were born, but yeah, somewhere around. Yeah, I mean it's
different from hood too, Like this podcast.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
For me, I would say it really was preteen.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
That's when the way broke.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
I was just like, what the fuck is happening?

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Yeah, I see that. I think when we first have memories,
like you have a memory because something happens true, you know.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Yeah, I think I mean five or six, I think
for me.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
But her, Yeah, that experience would be that's something you really.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Have to work through. Yes. So Mike is supposed to
be released on September fourteenth, twenty fourteen, So she's freaking
the fuck out. She puts gravel all around her house
so she can hear any footsteps. She practiced shooting out
of shooting range, and she said, if he came here,
he was not going to get close enough to hurt me.

(54:58):
So can you imagine how terrifying that? Then, ninety two
days before his release, on Friday the thirteenth of twenty fourteen,
Mike died of prostate cancer in prison at sixty five
years old. Shit. Yeah, So her name is now Susan Walters.
She continued to work as a nurse until December twenty fourteen,
and today she's a motivational speaker and provides self defense

(55:21):
expertise for Portland's for Portland Police Bureaus, Women's Strength and
Girl Strength programs. Yes, and she's a go to expert
on victims fucking rights. Yeah, she's an advocate and focus
it's on developing a web based portal for crime victims.
That portal provides a protected single point for victims to

(55:41):
receive updates about their offenders. So you know, like, the
people are like, no one fucking told me he was
getting out of prison or today was his fucking parole hearing.
I could have gone to and said, what happened? You
know you can follow that now. Yeah, that's amazing. That's
so important. Victims of crime in mull oh god, everyone Malton, Manoma,

(56:02):
Maltnomah County is that right can now follow their case,
their offenders and access resources through the website it's casecompanion
dot org. And I think every fucking city should have this.
That's incredible, and she said. Susan says, surviving the event
itself is difficult. Surviving a prolonged and protracted criminal justice

(56:23):
journey is also equally hard, which we like totally. That's amazing.
So she said, being an imperfect woman, I married an
imperfect man thinking that we could love, honor and negotiate
and have a good life together. But he had issues
around abandonment, anger, and anxiety that he couldn't overcome. She

(56:44):
says that she and the family of Mike hopes that
he finds the peace he didn't find in this world
in death. And that's the story of badass fucking Susan Kuhnhausen.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Wow, that's a main and there's a survivor I survived
about it.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yeah, that's good. I watched and it's good, but there's
another story in it, one of the other two stories
that's really fucking depressing, which one it's a girl who's
closing up like the store she works in and gets
held up and like they never found the person. It's
just like really and she's so fragile and like clearly
like not ready to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, there's that show is so good. It's so perfectly produced.
It's so well done. But there are I would say
about five where I watch and go isn't ready and
isn't It's beautiful that they're doing it for themselves because
I bet it's a great step for them.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
And for other I'm sure other people listen to it
and hear it and see this woman telling the story
and they're so empowered by her. Yeah, but she just
seems so fragile and it was it made me really sad.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
But it's also the reality of it.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Yeah, it's the reality of it totally is Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Yeah, it's so good. That show is credible.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
And then there was a family whose fucking boat like capsized.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Cool too, I dipped into a frozen river. It's like, okay,
and I feel bad for you.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
But there's a.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Woman who's fighting off a fucking claw hammer.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
We need to get back to her, can we can?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
We real quick, real quick. Those are always the stories
that end. First you notice that the boat people the
boat capsized, they get rescued, and then they're like, well,
God helped me out of the ocean. Yeah awesome, we'll
talk to you later.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Hey, Susan, what did God not help you out of?
Can you tell us God help them out of the ocean?
What did you ever do?

Speaker 2 (58:40):
She's like, well, I became an emergency room nurse and
fucking nailed some shit to the wall.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yeah she did.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Oh it's in tons. Yeah, okay, we're back.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Are there updates for this story? The only update is
that the secure online portal that Susan Hill developed to
keep crime victims informed about their offenders and court proceedings,
which is so fucking important, Yeah, is still active today.
It's called case Companion and continues to serve the victims
in malt Nama County, Oregon, And you can learn more
at casecompanion dot org. And like, I mean, talk about

(59:19):
turning your nightmare into something so incredible and positive to
help others, I mean, and so something that is so needed. Yeah,
like that idea you shouldn't have to fight for it.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
No, but like that kind of work, and that that
idea that somebody going through something horrifying and then taking
what was wrong about it and then going, I want
to make sure this doesn't happen to anybody else totally
is kind of the point.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Of all of it. Absolutely, it's life affirming.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's what people who get through things in
are stronger forward, are able to then turn around and
do right. Also, that woman that her episode of I
Survived is incredible.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
She's I see her every once in a while, like
in a you know, I'm through crime Instagram post and
I'm just my fuck. Yeah, yeah, she's so cool. She
really did it. All right, let's get into Karen's story
about the order of the Solar Temple.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
All right, well, I went a little culty with mine
for this week. Good, I think because somebody recommended on
Twitter and I'm sorry didn't write your name down because
I get very defensive when people recommend British procedurals to me,
as you know, because I'm always like, how dare you
come to me with a Walluander recommendation. We've talked about

(01:00:39):
this a lot but I still like it more.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Let's talk about it more. Let's let's really do a
deep dive. This is about you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
But somebody recommended a show called Silent Witness and it
is basically a it's like a law and Order in
England where there are on iTunes. It's season one through
four and then season like seventeen through twenty nine, like
it's been on for.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
It's a procedural time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
It's a procedural and it's basically about the corner and
the medical examiner.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
And who's the silent witness, the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Corner medical examiner or maybe the dead body dead body
any answers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Anyway, it's a cat. There's a cat that lives corners.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Cat like a Bdega cat, but in the or just
as up on a shelf.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Can I just say there's a there's an instagram called
Bodega Cats of Instagram. Yeah, and it's made me never
want to eat out a bodega again because just the photos,
I mean, they're adorable. But cat's assholes on everything on Adego,
Like any fucking bag of Guardettos, fucking chips, you get
the cats of Adega, cat's asshole.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Just do a quick chlorox wipe prints on the outside
of that bag.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
I can never lick a bag of gardettas. Again, that's
how you pick what flavor you want. Because you lick
the outside, it tastes like what they're supposed to taste like. Right,
that's the right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
The outside tastes like the inside, just like people. I
love fucking New York City bodegas so much. As a
country girl who we always lived five miles away from
anything good when I lived in New York, the idea
that I could walk down the stairs from my apartment
and literally forty feet to the corner and go in

(01:02:19):
and get a bag of tats. They always have tats,
they always have hairbo weird.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Like brand of ice cream. Sandwiches yep. And the word
bodega sounds so cool. It sounds very much like Hi.
I'm an art student.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
I sometimes free based coke, but I also just love
to come and get an Italian sub sandwich.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Oh okay, So anyway I went.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I went because I had watched I think four seasons
of Silent Witness, and there were some It's such it's
very dramatically produced, and there's a lot of like her
just standing over a dead body being like, uh, you know,
the victim is in a in rigor where you're like, okay,
this is very real.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
It's because it's boring. It's a touch boring, you get it.
They're not afraid to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Go boring in English, because that's what's really like, because
it's real. There's one where it was about a bunch
of people who died on a boat and then every
time so they were just sitting there waiting at the harbor,
waiting for the dead bodies to get transported in from
the ocean, and then every time it would there would
just be this terrible horn that would sound, and I
was like, I bet this is what really happens.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
This is awful, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
It's just when I turn it off exactly because you're like,
I don't want to experience this. Maybe it will happen
to me someday, So how about I don't go through
it now? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I don't want to hear. Oh in my fucking show
that I'm watching, why do they keep driving dead bodies
up in these jaloppies.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
It's not funny, it's not I don't appreciate it. Okay,
So anyway, I had a lot of that, So then
I was like, let's take a nice left turn and
go into a little cult area. And I thought about
the one that I've always been obsessed with, which is
the Order of the Soul Temple.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
So this was the one where on October fourth, nineteen
ninety four, and this was on so remember back ninety four.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Remember it was on all the news. I don't remember this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Okay, get ready, because you might as I encourage you
to yell out when you remember, I'm going to You.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Don't have to encourage me, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
So October fourth, nineteen ninety four, it's a place called
Morn I'm assuming it's pronounced more in Heights. It's a
ski resort near Montreal, and authorities are called to the
scene of a burning condominium and when they get inside
put the fire out, they find two charred dead bodies.
So they look up who owns the condominium and on

(01:04:42):
the whatever mortgage papers, I don't yeah, I owners, Oh
this the signage pie area. Yeah, the owners are two men,
Joseph de Mombro and Luke Gerret. So they assumed that
these two charred bodies are the owners. But then as

(01:05:04):
the investigators make their way through the burnt condominium apartment.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
They find three.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
More bodies in the back in the back of the house,
in like stacked in a closet, and those bodies are
identified as a man named Tony Dutoit or Dutois, and
his wife Nicki, and their three month old son, Christopher Emmanuel.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Are they burned too? Or they they're burned?

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
But then once the investigators start looking into it, they
realize that the front two bodies and the back bodies
are all covered in blood, so before they burned, they
were covered in blood.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
So then they're like, something actually happened here. Well, then
on Tony's body, he was stabbed over fifty times in the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Back, holy shit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Nicki was stabbed in the chest and like upper body
area like six or seven times.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Oh my god. This is the worst part.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
The baby was stabbed in the heart with a wooden steak.
So they're like, what kind of a cult shit is
going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
I have never heard this before.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
It's shitty.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Tell me everything, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
So then they realize that one of the two bodies
that they found originally up in the front of the house,
one of them is a woman. So they're like, I
don't think this is the owners. Something insane happened here,
so that they pull out. They put out arrest warrants
for the owners because they had. The police discover that

(01:06:37):
all five of these people were members of the Order
of the Solar Temple, which was a very secretive sect
founded by the two men on the owner's papers, Joseph
de Mombro and Luke Cherat. Then the police find out
that Tony and his wife Nikki had recently left the
cult after speaking out against these leaders, and so that's

(01:06:58):
when the cops are like, okay, we got to arrest
these guys, but they're nowhere to be found. The next
day or it's the same Delitzee. It's October fifth in
the Swiss village of Cirie is how it's pronounced. There's
a farmhouse that's on fire, and when the firemen in

(01:07:19):
this Swiss village go there and put it out, they
find the owner inside. He's slumped over the kitchen table
and there's a plastic bag over his head, so they think, oh, no,
he's an elderly farmer and this he's committed suicide. Then
they find a gunshot wound in the back of his
head and they're like, uh oh, so then they as

(01:07:41):
they inspect the house, they start finding incendiary devices all
over the house, and then they start looking in the
outbuildings on the property. So there's more buildings aside from
the farmhouse. They start to investigate these buildings, they also
have these incendiary devices in them, and one of them,

(01:08:01):
the one of the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Cops, observes that the outside of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
The building is really big, but when they go in,
it's really small. There's just a small space and it's
like an office that looks really busy. It looks like
there's people that come there to work every day or whatever,
but it's compared to the outside. They're like they start
looking for secret panels and they find one, and basically
what happens is an entire section of wall is found

(01:08:26):
to be able to slide back.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
On the other side of this wall they find a
huge secret chamber. It's decorated floor to ceiling in red.
No it has these weird mirrors on every wall that
at the top are kind of shaped a little bit
like I don't know what the word is. It's like that,
you know, like the top of a Turkish turret or whatever,
where it looks like a Hershey's kiss but swoopy fatter. Yes. Anyway,

(01:08:55):
it's all like ritualized. There's weird these weird stands like
lecterns that are gold that are in there, and there's
and then they they so basically it's all obviously used
for some kind of religious rites.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Straight up CULTI bullshit, some CULTI bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
There's champagne bottles on the ground and in the middle
of the floor arranged in a like star formation feet
in the center head of the outside are eighteen corpses,
the eighteen eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
They're all wearing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Either red, gold or black ceremonial capes and some have
plastic bags over their heads. Then they find another a
second secret room. There's three more bodies inside that room,
and there's a ton of blood in both rooms.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
So the police basically start putting together imagine stumbling upon
that No, it's a something on a fucking secret hidden room. Yes,
like which is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
The Moller coaster of emotions that cop went through where
he's like, I'm the one that hey, and then they
slide the wall back and it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Well, here you go, Yeah, this is what you wanted.
Here's your secret room friend.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
So they realize that this is obviously a ritualized mass suicide,
but there's so much blood in the room. They're like, oh,
this wasn't voluntary for a lot of these people. Yeah,
and most of the people had been killed by gunshot
once to the head that were not self inflicted. So
that's how they start putting together that this was perhaps

(01:10:35):
non voluntary suicide or as we like to call it, murder.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Okay, nonvoluntary.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
The worst kind of suicide, non voluntary. I am a professional,
It's like cop Okay. So, then two days later, one
hundred miles away in the Swiss was short village of
Grange Sir Salvan, Thank you so much?

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Do you know it sounds nothing like that, Yeah, but
it sounds better when you say it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
I just I'm trying to sell it like I'm a
waitress at a fancy French cafe.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Right, would you like a croc monsieur or a okay?

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
So, which is French for baked onion?

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
The fire department is called to now three adjacent chalets
that are all on fire, and inside each they find
early similar scenes to the Serie fire. This time, twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Five bodies are discovered.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
I get, including three teenagers and four children, and most
of these bodies, these victims have been poisoned and they're
all identified through a dental records to also be members
of the Order of the Solar Temple. And in this situation,
only fifteen of the forty seven true suicides.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
The rest were murders.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
So now the search for the co founders of the
Order of the Solar Temple goes international. So basically this
cult was founded by this guy, Joseph de Moombro, who
was born in southern France. He studied to be a
clockmaker and a jeweler, but he always had interest in
the occult, and when he was in his thirties, he

(01:12:24):
joined the Rosicutions or the Order of the Rosy Cross.
And it's another So there's all these secret cults or
sex that are based on the Knights Templar. So the
Knights Templar were the knights who went on the First
Crusades and they came back and then they were so

(01:12:44):
dedicated to this spreading of Christianity down into the Middle
East that they began to protect. It was like they
vowed to protect all these Christian and pilgrims that were
going down into the Middle East, so they would they
basically kind of were out there protecting people, but they

(01:13:07):
also made a ton of money because of the because
of the Crusades. They were just out there, you know,
obviously killing and pillaging and doing all their stuff, so
they became very rich. Then their power, they were so
well regarded that they became really powerful, and of course
then the popes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Were like, who are these motherfuckers?

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
We're supposed to be the most powerful, So then they
became hunted, and then that's when they went underground, and
it was all secret, secret, secret. So that's what all
these people And that's kind of like the like the
Dan Brown books and stuff where it's all the Knights
templar this, and the Knights templar that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
If if the guy, if the guy or gal who
does animate my podcast would animate that part of you
telling me explaining to me the Crusades, because it's I.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Would say, I would guess right now, and hopefully there
was a history professor listening. Oh yeah, I think I
probably got that fifty seven percent right. I think I
would have passed a test, but not well a D
plus a D plus which is pretty much my.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Average, and it would make you happy now and the
repressed for that that you're not supposed to be happy
about that. I thought him past bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
I passed bitch, and I never thought I could because
I can't read. So definitely let me know all the
information I'm missing in the three hundred years that the
Knight's Templar were in action.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
But essentially it became that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
And we've all seen the Dan Brown what is that
book that I can't think of? The Dvinchi cod Thank you, Steven.
Stephen loves literature. But it's just this idea that essentially
they were protecting Mary Magdalene, who was carrying Jesus's baby.
You know, that's like at the end of the day,
that is supposedly the uh what do they call that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
The truth? The Bible? Christianity?

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
What's the cup? The Kiddish cup? Thank you? The Holy
Grail is Jesus's baby, right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
It's also called the Kiddish cup. We had it first.
Oh that's true, So don't come at me with a
fucking yeah, you explained it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
I don't fucking know what's going on anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
This is a religion podcast. It's all about secrets.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
They based this whole thing on, like secrets, hidden treasure,
hidden money, making sure that they could always kind of
get this the Christianity where they needed it to go, okay,
and have missionaries protected.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Okay, so secret societies are like, got to keep it,
keep up with the Christians.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Right, But then as we know, when things are secret,
then little power structures come up. And then suddenly you've
got two people that are like, well, I'm in charge
of the secret sect, and now I've decided we're going
to do a little something extra. We're going to wash
everybody's feet in a bucket, right we're gonna do They
start adding their own shit, and it's like, no longer
are you a Knight's templar.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Now you're a foot washed.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Now you're some kind of like I feel like everyone,
every woman needs to fuck me before we start this ceremony.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
How many times have I said this, fuck the government?

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
And I'll say it again.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
This is not my fucking phrase. That's right. Ellis fucking knows.
He's like, I'm sick of you saying he knows, he's
so sick of it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Okay, So any anyhow, I lost my place entirely. Okay,
that's what this podcast is called where am I where.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
He?

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
In nineteen seventy three, Joseph de Mombro moves to the
Swiss border. He starts a group called the Center for
the Preparation of the New Age. Okay, so you know,
hot stuff is happening in this group. Let's get together,
let's weave some looms, let's fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Make pottery, let's talk about the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Knights templars seventy three Okay, And he begins to tell
his followers or the people in the group that he
is the reincarnation of the god o Cyrus and of Moses.
And then he starts telling them, you're the reincarnation of Napoleon,
and you're the reincarnation of Cleopatra, and everybody's the reincarnation

(01:17:12):
of some famous political leader or royalty of some kind.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Doubt it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
And then he starts telling them he is the one
that's going to decide who's having a relationship with who,
because he's the only one who knows who they were
originally were. And now we have this chance to breed
a master race of children. So let's make sure that
like Cleopatra has sex with Napoleon or whatever. He's making up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
All this shit, and people like, yes, sounds good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Everyone's like, yeah, we want a bone, Yeah, we want
a bone, and we want to be dead famous people. Right,
So he basically is like, I'm in charge of who
gets married. I'm in charge of who gets to have children.
So it becomes he goes from like we're a group
that gets together to talk about how grab the Knights
Templar are, and now it's like I control every aspect
of your life, which is how it always goes. Even

(01:18:01):
though that's how intense and bizarre it was. All these
respected citizens and extremely wealthy people join this thing because
it's all about the He sells this idea that you
if you give enough money, you can like absorb the
spirituality and power of the Knights Templar. It's this honorable
society and you join it and you're forwarding the Christian

(01:18:24):
movement or what I don't know whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
So because rich people get bored is really what that means.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
They get bored and they we all want guarantees. Right,
So it's like I'm gonna give this guy who claims
to be what he also claimed to be the reincarnation
of a fourteenth century night templar whatever, and then the
other guy Luke Jera. He claimed to be the third
incarnation of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
He went straight to the top.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Oh man, yeah so uh so basically people are getting
into it. And at that time he changed the name
Joseph Demambro. In nineteen seventy eight changes the name to
the Foundation of the Golden Way. He takes a core
group of the followers and is like, we're super into this,
let's go start the Foundation of the Golden Way. And

(01:19:12):
in that group, that's when Lukexuray shows up. He is
Luxuray was born in the Belgian Congo. He studied to
be an actual doctor. Then he decides he's not into
like traditional medicines and he wants to be an alternative healer.
So then he starts getting really into holistic medicine and
really into new age shit, and he starts he becomes

(01:19:35):
like a star on the New Age circuit. He's the
one that, like in the mid late seventies, is out
there telling everybody, here's how you tap into your inner
the godd o Cyrus or whatever the fuck it is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
You stop prying about gas. You don't have to worry
about gas prices and fucking having a job and money, right,
because you're wealthy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Yeah, don't worry about any of the things that everybody
else in Jimmy Carter's America are freshing out about.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Don't worry about it, yeah, because you have enough money.
So come join a cult, Come secret sect with us. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
So when they meet, Joe Dimambro knows that this guy,
he's like the face man, He's going to be the
perfect pitch man for their new cult, which they in
nineteen eighty four basically reconfigure.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Yeah, it's going on for so long.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
They reconfigure and call themselves the Order of the Solar Temple.
So that's when Luke Jerai comes into Joe Demombro's life.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
That's when it all clicks. So basically, uh, they in
this group.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
They have these rituals that are based on ancient Christian
and Masonic rites. It's all secret, so all the members
are secret all that you know, nobody tells anybody else
that they're in this group.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
And at its.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Height, they had lodges in Canada, Australia, Switzerland, and Martinique.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
I mean, I'll join just to fucking go on bak, I.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Mean right, you know, to just go to an island
and then pretend you're Cleopatra skiing and shit skiing and
to meet. So that was a joke everybody I know.
Martinique is a beautiful island. So soon the topic changes.
And when I say soon, I mean after seven years
or whatever the fuck. Soon these people stay in this

(01:21:14):
weird cult. They start sending this message that an apocalypse
is coming. It's an environmental apocalypse. Man has caused it.
It's man's fault that it's going to happen, and only
the elite are going to survive it. Great, So if
you want to be in that group, why don't you
kick down all of the money that you have. No, yeah,

(01:21:35):
they make everybody give them all of their money.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Fuck yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
And it's this insurance. So eventually that message becomes the
reason that you should trust us. Is that Joe's daughter,
whose name was Emmanuel, she was one of nine existing
cosmic children who would lead them all to a planet
that was next to the star Serius and his son,

(01:22:00):
also Eli, I believe his name was his destiny. Eli's
destney was to usher in the New Age. So luckily
the leader of this cult, two children were the key
pieces to get them to So basically the Earth was
going to end for environmental reasons, and then they were
going to travel via the a Path of Fire to

(01:22:23):
a planet that's next to the Star series.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
Everyone's like, it's crazy, it's crazy, and I want to
be like, how the fuck? But like, there's there's the
podcast Heaven's Gate that's like super good. That like my
sad retelling of the Heaven's Gate story last week before
the podcast came out, By the way, I just I
didn't know about it yet.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
It was good.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
They like focus on a couple actual cult members and
explain how it happened, and you kind of get it
a little more. But it's just so bananas and bonkers.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
I think it comes down to that feeling of like
when life is feels really plain all the time. Yeah,
and then you get introduced to an idea of your special.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
And there's more than there's more than this, and you're correct.
Everyone else is going along with their everyday life and
they're all lemmings.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Your special. I see how special you are. Come in
do my ritual.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Yeah, let me shin. I have I have knowledge, yeah,
I and that I will impart onto you. Yes, listen,
I'm starting a cull right now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Yeah, I mean, I'm believing you in here are you
the gotto? Sirius?

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
I have Elvis sitting on my lap staring at me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
She is petting a cat in a kind of evil
cult like way.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Okay, I just uncrossed his eyes. It's a miracle, she's real.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Yeah, So okay. So basically this is this that talk
goes on so long that of course nothing ends up happening.
And the members are like, yeah, okay, you've been talking
about this apocalypse for a while. Nothing's going on, and
I've given you like millions.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Of the apocalypse happened.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Yeah, I want I want everyone else to die. I
want to see what you're talking about. I want these
things to happen. Well, also, meanwhile, they started getting, of course,
super crazy with their power. They were buying houses everywhere.
They had everybody's money. So they're out like they've got
houses here, and you know, as you saw chalets and
condos every in every city.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
They're hiding fucking rooms they've.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Got they can build things that look like small rooms
but that are actually big rooms. It's crazy. And so
the members are like, yeah, you seem to be getting
a lot of stuff, but like all of our you
know it's on our dime. So then Luke Gera is

(01:24:38):
voted out as grand master of the Canadian branch of
the Tumbles. How mad is he because he starts to
demand that that one woman has sex with him before
every ritual for his to build strength, and everyone's like okay,
but he he's getting everyone started. He's like, all the

(01:25:00):
members are like, you're losing your shit, and it's obvious
and it's creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
So then he gets voted out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Well then Joe Demombro is just like, wait, no, it's
our cult. You can't get voted out. What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Yeah, this isn't a fucking fantasy island or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Yeah you mean survivor, Yes, yes you knew. Just as
a bit of information, Luke Jerie, it shouldn't be a
surprise that he lost his shit because before joining the
Order of the Solar Temple, he had belonged to a racist,
neo Nazi magical organization co founded by a former Gestapo
officer named Julian Origis, and he was also an illegal

(01:25:40):
arms dealer, so he wasn't a great like, he wasn't
a nice So.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
A little background check, rich people.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Yeah, are you a good guy, can you write a horse?
Are you an arms dealer?

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
These things should disqualify you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
So then this is all building, right, So they're like
slightly losing control. It's like, oh no, no, oh, focus
on my cosmic daughter or whatever. Then in February of
nineteen ninety three, it's the fifty four day Siege of Waco.
Oh shit, right, So on all of our TVs we
all saw the branch, Davidians and David Koresh and everything.

(01:26:16):
We saw that whole thing go up in flames.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Is that gonna be a podcast soon or a TV show?
I think it's a TV show, a documentary.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
I think it's one of those American crimes or something
right experience.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
I want to Oh, that'd be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Just the longest American dad of all time. He works
for the CIA. So okay, So after that happens and everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Watched it on TV, everyone's like, oh, no more cults
for me, exactly. I think I've had enough. Is the
funniest thing in the world to me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Where they're like, oh, this is where we're headed. We're
not actually headed to a planet next to the Star series.
We're just going to burn government style, right, Fuck the government.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Listen, it's the government, okay, so please don't hurt me. Government.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
That won't work, so cheilate. This is my favorite part.
So as all of this is right, it's crumbling. It's
crumbling our millions. You know, people are walking away our secrets.
And they really did have They had millionaires, they had scientists,
they had famous architects. There was people in this cult,
very high level people, a very famous Swiss composer.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
So it was like a bunch of smarty pants.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Smarty pants and richies and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Place smart and richie fucking asshole.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
I mean, the whole place smelled like fucking after shade.
So what I am me saying? So okay, Then they discover
so our friend Tony Dutoi d'utois I don't remember how
I pronounced it, the man who has found stab fifty
times in the apartment in Canada and baby and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
His wife and baby.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Okay, So it turns out he was a long time
member of the Order of the Solar Temple and he
discovered so they would have these rights and rituals. And
when Joe Demambro did them, he could make things fly.
He could make things like appear out of nowhere, there's
all these weird things he did that made people believe

(01:28:18):
that he was special and had special powers. Well, it
turns out Tony d'utois discovers that he was using lasers
and holograms.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
No, and he was back in ninety I'm impressed by that.
In ninety four, yeah, even earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Yeah, he basically set it up so the whole thing
was like special effects and fog and light show or whatever,
and made people believe it was his power and he
was spending he was spending their money, a ton of money,
because you know, a hologram back then was very expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Basically like a coach ella fucking dj sett.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Yeah, but just him and twelve people in robes. So
Tony finds out about this and starts going, you guys,
this is super fake.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
We this is the whole.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Thing is a fraud to the point where and so
much like distrust and uh, disillusion was going through the
whole cult, down to Joe Demambro's own children, who were like,
my dad's a fraud, Like everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Was starting up bad space cadet. My dad is lying.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
I can't lead you to that planet now, but that's
my favorite that it was like the the straw that
broke the camel's back was that his holograms and lasers
were discovered. So then everyone's just bailing like crazy, Okay,
so then uh he so basically Tony tells everybody and

(01:29:42):
then like gets out of town. So Joe Dimambro announced
to the remaining members that the Distois three month old
son was the Antichrist and needed to be assassinated. Yes,
that's so. So the two bodies that were in that
condo from the beginning of the story turned out to
be thirty five year old Jerry Jeneau and sixty sixty

(01:30:05):
year old Collette Genet. They murdered the Dutoise, murdered that baby,
and then committed suicide and lit that apartment on fire
with the scendiary device that was like all.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
The incendiary devices in Switzerland. Yes, so what awful awful
people so crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
And then like once they knew that was happening, they
know it's over. So they announced to the rest of
the membership that the apocalypse has arrived and it's time
for all of them to travel to the planet next.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
To the star Serius. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
So it's mass suicide time. And because they were saying
the transformation takes place in fire. That's why all those
incendiary device that's where all the buildings were burning.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
So what were the incendiary devices made of? Do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
I don't. In my mind, it looks like a light
switch with the place off the front.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Yeah, and like there's a little thing tied to this
thing and a little and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Then a mouse choose the road. Yes, right, and then boom.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Yeah the mouse survives. That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Mouse is fine, The mouse is innocent. And then a
cat swoops down and.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Eats the mouse. Yay. So it was at that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Farmhouse from the beginning in Siri where Joe Demombro and
Luke Gera met there and along.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
With twenty one other member so they were okay, they
were in Siri then okay.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
So that was basically the reason that it's so amazing
to me is because I remember very distinctly when I
saw it on the news. They were so vague and
it's still you can barely get any good information I
ever heard of this what was really happening. But I
remember seeing it on the news and being like, I
want to know more, and all you ever heard was so.

(01:31:53):
Then again in nineteen ninety five, in Grenoble. They find
sixteen bodies out in the forest. What uh huh? They
in an area they called Hell's Hell's Entrance or Hell's
whole or something, which is super creepy. And the creep
that you can see a picture online. It's a forest,

(01:32:13):
there's police tape. It looks like it's from like a helicopter.
There's police tape, and then it just looks like there's
a weird orange light. It's super creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
I I fucking google weird murders, weird deaths, weird what
the fuck you know all the time, and I've never
heard of this.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Fold some nights, templar in there, fold in cult, okay,
fold in. Well, so in that forest there were sixteen
bodies and this is a year later. Then two years
after that, in Quebec, in March of ninety seven, five
people are found dead and at the last minute, three
children who were supposed to also die, convince their parents

(01:32:51):
who ended up dead, convinced their parents that they wanted
to live, and their parents let them go. So three
kids escaped.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Them. Right, what's they're still killing themselves even though it's over.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Yes, two years later by who like why so crazy?
Or three years later, so the total number deaths in
the order of the Solar Temple is seventy four. Jesus
and their members included scientists, architects, policemen and children, and
the group had between four and six hundred members.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
It's estimated to have made in its.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Prime ninety three million dollars. And in the Grenoble scene
where in nineteen ninety five where they found sixteen bodies,
the wife of famous champion skier Jean Varney, who was
the inventor of the awesome eighties sunglasses. His wife, Edith,
and their youngest son Patrick were among the sixteen victims.

(01:33:53):
So they couldn't have been richer those people they had
Varney in the eighties was like, you couldn't be richer with.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
The swoopy thing here. It's a weird thing here.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
And no Varnays were like the kind of the original
ski sunglasses, so they were mirrored and they were like
kind of plastic.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Yeah, every douche fucking skier, yeap instructor has this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Rich guys, we went skiing the first time we went
to Tahoe when I was eight.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
They made us take ski.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Lessons and my sister had a pair of Varnais on
and I, instead of listening to the ski instructor, just
kept staring at myself in the mirrored reflection of my
sister's sunglasses.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
So I didn't listen to how to stop or what
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
And so basically we went down one run and I
was like, I need to take these off.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
I'm leaving.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Yeah, I'm not doing this. I don't know what's now.
And then we just played in the snow all day exactly.
Here's a more interesting one. Channel four, the British TV station,
They made a documentary alleging that Grace Kelly, the Princess
of Monica, was also initiated into the Order of the
Solar Temple just months before her car accident that took

(01:34:58):
her life. Yeah, she was in a car. Some say
she was not in that car. Some say the body
was never found. But her estate denies any association with
the Order of the Solar Temple. But the filmmakers who
made this documentary for Channel four talked to the acupuncturists
who worked on Princess Grace before her orientation or not

(01:35:19):
orientation initiation ceremony, and because apparently they did acupuncture to
relax people, so that they weren't like freaked out, I guess,
And that woman attested to the fact that it was
Princess Grace, but didn't want to give her name or
information because she's scared because she says that the Order
of the Solar Temple is still in effect today, still

(01:35:42):
has members, and she's scared of those members coming to retaliating.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Against triding out and plan site.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
And so the very last thing is when Princess Grace's
car crashed in Monaco, her car landed in the yard
of a member of the Order of the Solar Temple.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
Been.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Yeah, that was good. That was a good one, right,
that was a really good one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Shit, dude, I know, I want to know everything. I
want to know what these people talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
There's photos are their pictures, Yes, there's pictures of uh
and it's all the faces are blacked out. There's black
bars across the eyes of like an actual ritual. But
then there's the empty room where they found the bodies
they I know, the ones I saw. It was just
the room without the bodies lying in it. But then
you can also see there's like graphs of how they

(01:36:37):
laid out the bodies in star formation. Yes, and I
think the one the people that killed themselves last in
nineteen ninety seven in Canada were laid out in a
crucifix forma.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
So the people who who unintentional suicide, those people did
they did they ever figure out if they like were
just like kill me or they were like helle or
because like I could see people like I don't want
to kill myself, but just shoot me in the back
of the head.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Yeah. I think what they were saying is that theory
is that it wasn't they were like, I don't want
to do this. They went there for other reasons. Some
of them think they were drugged or poisoned. But then
it was then they fought them because there was so
much blood that it wasn't just like putting people down
in an orderly fashion. There was like it was a
real bloody crime scene. So they think it was that's

(01:37:27):
what led them to believe it was the against against
your will suicide. That's crazy, fucking nuts man live m HM,
Secret cults, Secret, Where is the treasure? There's treasure trasure?
Oh yeah, the Knights templar they put supposedly that's like

(01:37:48):
nick cage style there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
They supposedly, how.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Is that what that is, yeah, because they went and
pillaged everything down in like the Holy Land.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
They stole all the ship, they stole the ship and
the fucking Jewish people's that's right, that's right, chosen ones.
So it's your it's your birthright. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
To go and find that those gold balloons and take
them back.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
Let's do it. I would love to. Let's go on
an adventure. Okay, okay, goodbye. That was amazing, Thank you,
thank you for that. Absolutely love a cult. Okay, we're back, Karen.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Any updates, Well, the first update is I just want
to say I hated that story. Yeah, like I remember
when we were talking about it and so it's so
so dark. I mean obviously always, but for some reason
there was the details of this story were I was
anticipating much more of like, oh, of interest, like isn't
it weird how cults are?

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
And then it was just like this, this is a
great example of my story. Going second would have fucking
made the episode, and exactly on a fucking high note.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Yes, we were just we were like, oh, well this
is if you went last time, last time, this is like, yeah, this.

Speaker 1 (01:38:59):
Is perfect example. Well do you have any updates? Actually,
just one.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
In twenty twenty four, the British channel BBC four aired
a four part docuseries that was actually originally a French
docuseries from twenty twenty two, and the translated title was
Serious and Apocalyptic Order. It included interviews with journalists who
covered the cult, as well as a handful of former members.
It didn't break much new ground, but it is out

(01:39:25):
there if you want to watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
All right, well, great job, let's get into good things
of the week. Well, when we come to the end,
my friends.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
Oh yeah, what's a do you have a fun thing
for this week?

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
A thing that made me happy? Yeah? Now do you?

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
I do? Actually, okay, great, maybe it'll inspire me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Okay, good. But this is a it's a repeat of
what I've done before, but it's a kind of an update.
And it's very exciting because my favorite band, and now
many other people's favorite band, Sure Shore I, finally came
out with an album. It's self titled. It says Sure Sure.
You can get it on Spotify, you can get it
on iTunes, and it is so goddamn good. It's all
the like single releases that they had before, and then

(01:40:12):
a bunch of new songs I've never heard before that
are so beautiful and it's just great. I just got
it and I love it so well.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
If we're gonna do this will be the music perfect thing.
Vince got us ticket. So Vince surprised me with tickets
to go see the band Jawbreaker, nice, which I'm like,
super excited to go see them. I've never I've never
seen them play. I've been in love with them forever.
Great old band. Everyone go listen. But it's also I

(01:40:43):
love that Vince does shit like that and it's really
sweet and like I would never go see music or
anything live, but Vince is like into that shit. Yeah,
So like he does it and then I'm like, why
didn't I do this more? And I know, yeah, So
it's nice to tell.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
You have friends like me that are like I'm tell her, well,
you know, I'm not going to go that night.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
Like that night, I'm going to be sick like I
am every night. But it's sweet that he did it.
It's so good. Oh wait, so it's future. You haven't
done it yet. Yeah, I'm done yet. He just bought
tickets to go see job Breaker. That's awesome. I'm you know,
twenty something year old Georgia's like you put it on
the radio today and I got really excited. Yes, that's exciting. Yeah, okay,

(01:41:24):
we're back. We did go see jow Breaker and it
was incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
I Brad, now that I know the drummer, you know that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
That's right. He's from the Bay They're from the Bay area, right,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Cool. I feel like Jawbreaker is just the coolest band.
Oh my god, everybody loves them.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
They're just so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Yeah, they're musicians, musicians totally individually, very cool people.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Yeah, the show was incredible. There's the great life.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Okay, So originally we entitled this episode Garden Party, but
if we are naming it today, there's so many other.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
Choices we could have pulled, from truly vin to DNA helly. Yeah,
that's a good one. I can't try. My neck was
pretty good. My favorite staff infection. This one is good
to you. When Karen's a little not.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Right, Gail being very polite and saying I was a
little not right, a little not right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
Still, the shame burns ten years later, get rid of it.
It's weighing you down.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Today's the day I purge this shame.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
And then the mouse is innocent. Yeah, always. Well that's
this week's episode of rewind. Let's say goodbye from twenty eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
All right, thanks for listening to you, guys, guys, thanks
for once again going through that with us.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
We have had it up to here with not going
through this with you because we love it so much.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
It's very fun. It's a very fun job. And on
our two year anniversary, thank you honey so much, Thank
you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
We're fucking lucky. This is the best ever.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
It's crazy, lucky, wonderful. Yeah, thanks everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
Thanks Steven, Thanks Steven, Well, thank you more in six months. Yeah,
when you've earned it, when you've earned it, when you've
fucking been through the ship like we have the real ship.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
When you finally fucked the government the way we need
you to.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
Elvis knows he's been here from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
He was he was here before us.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
Yeah, he'll be here after us.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
He will remain after we have gone.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Yep, is go it? That's it all right? Well, then
stay sucky and don't get murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Bye, elvisie. Yeah, yeah,

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