Don Lemon Charged with the KKK Act?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership with
Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, everybody. This is episode counted
one fifteen of Native Lampod, where we give you our
take on all things political and sometimes a little cultural,

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where we tread into trouble. I'm your host for today,
Andrew Gilliman. Of course, I'm joined by none other than,
of course, the awesome Angela Rai, the self congratulatory Bacari
sellers and joining us this week as a co host,
a living legend. I don't know how he feels about
that title. Host, entrepreneur, creator, journalist dumb An, the one

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and only. Can I call you Carlton? Welcome to the audience, y'all,
welcome along with me, mister Don Lemon himself?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
What's up? Don much? Thank you.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I'm excited to be on with you guys and see
how how much trouble I get into.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
You know, well, you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Need no Don is your middle name, Carlton?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
No wondering why you were talking about that is not
don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
What do I want people know? My middle name is Rinaldo.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Now just from my face back home, So y'all, we're
going to be getting into Don's story a little bit more,
a couple of other reasons why he may be in
the headlines. I don't know, possibly Nicki Minaj, maybe Ku
Klux Klan act, I don't know. But we'll follow up
with some questions that we know that you would ask

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if you were with Donna Day. Also today, we're gonna
take a little bit of a take on whether we
think Congress is getting a little too old, or if
it's just been old. Then whether or not, I don't know, is.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
It appropriate to protest in church.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
We'll get into that, but before we do, we want to,
of course, I think, go through what has become a
favorite with some of our supporters. Thanks to Angela for
introducing this. It's called for your Situational Awareness FYSA. Because
we've got a lot of I think news to get

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to and we want to do it quickly, So let's start.
I want to just focus everybody back on what's probably
at the top of the headlines and a lot of
the cable news, and that's Davos. President Donald Trump was
in Switzerland to talk to global economic leaders about everything
economic in some political of course, and y'all, if you

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were looking for the worst reels for Trump as a
representative of America, you need not go any further than
right here. Let's roll the clip.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
We never asked for anything, and we never got anything.
We probably won't get anything unless I decide to use
excessive strength and force where we would be frankly unstoppable.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
But I won't do that.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Okay, now everyone's saying, oh good, that's probably the biggest
statement I made because people thought I would use force.
I don't have to use force. I don't want to
use force. I won't use force. All the United States
is asking for is a place called Greenland, where we
already had it as a trustee, but respectfully returned it

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back to Denmark not long ago after we defeated the Germans,
the Japanese, the Italians and others in World War Two.
We gave it back to them. We want it big
Without us. Right now, you'd all be speaking German and
little Japanese. Perhaps all we want from Denmark for national

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and international security and to keep our very energetic and
day injurious potential enemies at bay, is this land on
which we're going to build the greatest Golden dome ever built.
We're building a golden dome that's going to just by
its very nature, going to be defending Canada. Canada gets

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a lot of freevious from us. By the way, they
should be grateful also, but they're not. I watched your
Prime minister yesterday. He wasn't so grateful that they should
be grateful to us. Canada lives because of the United States.
Remember that mark the next time you make your statements.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
I hope you'll call that last piece where he says
to Canada, remember you only exist because of us. Remember
that mark referring to the Prime Minister of Canada.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
If it wasn't for to be speaking German.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, so that way, I'll give it to the foot,
to the group down what you got.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
It's painful to watch him, I mean, how insulting for
our allies to say, if it wasn't for us, you'd
be speaking German and he's he's just ranting there. I mean, look,
when is someone going to write a book on his
cognitive decline because it's obvious that he's something is going
on because he's just ranting and raving up there. And
not only did he embarrass himself, but he embarrassed the

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United States. When I was watching that, it made me
embarrassed to be a United States citizen. Or I shouldn't
say it, shouldn't say to be a United States citizen.
I should say for him to be our president. And
so there are two things. Go ahead, No, they're two
things to jump off the screen. Just for some context.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
You do know that the the primary language spoken in
Switzerland is actually German, right, that's.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
First and second is the height of irony.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
The last time we actually purchased an island or piece
of property from Denmark, does they might know what it was?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Anybody? No? No, anybody?

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Oh it was an island.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
It's Epstein Island.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Seven in nineteen seventeen.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
The last the last piece of property we actually purchased
from Dinm was little Saint James Island also known as
Epstein Island today.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yes, yeah, but Cary he also keeps coming up saying
that we owned it or whatever. We never actually owned it.
The United States offered to buy Greenland for like one
hundred million dollars is back in nineteen forty six.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
But the Denmark said no.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
It was difficult to the Danish Kingdom and important to
the history and national identity. We never really owned Greenland
at all, so he's not just not really.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
But the part of getting Epstein's Island the rapist Island
was in nineteen seventeen was the United States trading that
island for official recognition from the United States government of
the Danish territory at the time of Greenland. The worst part, y'all,

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I just I'm with you, don around the offensiveness of
the comments related to World War Two. He talks about
a great ocean between us. We didn't have to get involved,
you know, we sort of did it for y'all, and
we never get anything in return, and really diminishes the

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huge human toll and sacrifice that that took, not only
on Europeans but also Americans, over four hundred thousand service members,
men and women who gave their lives faithfully to protect
the world the globe against these kind of totalitarian leaders

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with very very outdated ideas around who deserves to live,
who doesn't, who's human, and who isn't. I just thought, overall,
it was a horrible, horrible offense. Angela. I don't know
if you've got anything on this, because I want to
make sure we talked to the rest of y'all on
some of your.

Speaker 7 (07:51):
Age geography, because I know we've got to get through
these clips quick stage geography. His bud was supposed to
be sitting down for a fireside chat and instead he
was at a rant at the podium. So that's the
only stage geography I have. Y'all hit the rest of it.
We can go to the name.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
No, you're right, because the interviewer was sitting to the
side off the station, like, well, that's weird. Why are
there two chairs a guy sitting in one and he's
at the podium. But I mean, you're giving fun facts
right about the last time we acquired land, Bacari do
do you guys know why he really wants Greenland? It's
not about security. You guys know why he wants to
be why he wants.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
It right, tell me he wants to go to go Dome. No,
he wants his face on Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
And the folks who are on Mount Rushmore secured their
legacy and their place, their status to be on Mount
Rushmore is because they acquired more land and resources, strategic
land and resources for the United States, and so will
he wants his big orange face on Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
That is it.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's what they're not telling you. They're giving all these
shiny objects we needed for security. We don't need it
for security. We already have military assets there, and they
said we can put as many there as we want
want to. He wants to acquire more land and resources
so he can be on Mountain rush More.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
One of the things you brought up was his mental acuity,
and that's something that I've always been talking about, particularly
with the light that was shown on Joe Biden and Andrew.
One of the things that we recognized was that he
was the oldest person to in the history of the
United States of America ever run for president. And you know,
there have been rumors about his health, but I think

(09:24):
his cognitive decline it is quite evident. I want to
play this clip that I dropped into the group chat
the other day just so everybody can see what I'm
talking about.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
And I hope people evaluate this.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
But when I learned her her parents and her father
in particular, is like I hope he still is, but
I don't know. Was a tremendous Trump fan. He was
all for Trump, loved Trump, and uh, you know, it's terrible.
I was told that by a lot of people. They said, Oh,

(09:55):
he loves you. He he was, I hoped. I hope
he still feels that way. Sorry, hard situation, But her
father was a tremendous and parents were tremendous Trump fans.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
That's so said.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
Just happens.

Speaker 8 (10:10):
It's terrible, not supporters fans, by the way.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I mean, look, so what we just watched.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
What we just watched was his interview about Renee Good
after his ice shot her in the face.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
He was, you know, unkilled.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
The reason that I struggle with Donald Trump is because
he has a heavy dose of narcissism mixed in with
his psychopathy. And what I posted the other day, don
and to the group, I mean, I wish that there
was a New York Times, Wall Street Journal, whatever mainstream
media source expos a maybe maybe we do it, or
the Donal Limit Show, or somebody gets four or five

(10:44):
psychiatrists and somebody tell me what the fuck is wrong
with him.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
I want some clinicians.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
I want some clinicians to sit back and be able
to because I don't feel right guessing about people's mental
health and acuity. But somebody tell me what's wrong with
him other than just being Oh.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, old people who don't act like that.

Speaker 8 (11:03):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Correct, So we've all had old people in our family
where we see the moment that you take the car
keys right, let me they need a nurse.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
Speaking of taking the car keys, we just talked about
his ice don there's a clip that you wanted to
get to.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yes, I want to get to this clip, and that
is in Minneapolis Saint Paul. The lies are breaking through
with police officers and law enforcement in the area who
are speaking out because and police chiefs because their off
duty officers are being harassed and abused by these agents,

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these ICE agents and federal agents that are out in
the streets play this.

Speaker 9 (11:47):
Recently, as the last two weeks, we as law enforcement
community have been receiving endless complaints about civil rights violations
in our streets from US citizens. What we're hearing is
they're being stopped in traffic stops or on the street
with no cause and being forced to demand paperwork to

(12:11):
determine if they are here legally. We started hearing from
our police officers the same complaints as they fell victim
to this while off duty. Every one of these individuals
is a person of color who has had this happen
to them in Brooklyn Park. One particular officer that shared
her story with me was stopped as she passed ice

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going down the roadway. When they boxed her in, they
demanded her paperwork, of which she's a US citizen and
clearly would not have any paperwork. When she became concerned
about the rhetoric and the way she was being treated,
she pulled out her phone in an attempt to record
the incidant. The phone was knocked out of her hands,
prevented her from recording it. The officer had their guns

(12:58):
drawn during this interaction, and after the officer became so concerned,
they were forced to identify themselves as a Brooklyn Park
police officer in hopes of slowing the incident and de
escalating the incident down. The agents then immediately left after
hearing this, making no other comments, no other apologies, just
got in their vehicles and left. Many of the chiefs

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standing behind me have similar incidents with their off duty officers.
If it is happening to our officers, it pains me
to think how many of our community members are falling
victim to this every day. It has to stop.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
It has to stop, But it's not going to stop.
As you saw recently in just the last couple of days,
Donald Trump standing at the podium in the briefing room
with pictures of alleged immigrants or undocumented immigrants with alleged
criminal histories or criminal records, without giving any evidence of that,

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lying saying they're only going after the really bad people,
the the criminals, undocumented people. We all know that's a lie,
and everything else is a deflection and a cover up.
And the reason people are out there protesting in whatever
venue they're protesting in is because of the unjust nature
that these ICE agents and federal agents are acting in

(14:17):
and they know that they're not using due process. They
I believe it is their edict to not use due
process and just to beat people up and to ask them,
you know, for their papers.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
We're in the United States of America.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
There are people being asked for their papers who are
United States citizens, are just on the basis of their
accents or what color their skin is. And I'm glad
that that head of a police department, and there were
several there that they're out there telling the truth because
we don't hear that from this administration. And quite frankly,
you don't really hear it enough. I think in mainstream
media these there's so much both sizing and just putting

(14:48):
on these liars who come on every single day and
say we're going after the bad people. All of these
criminals were taken out of the country. It is Joe
Biden's open borders, and it's all bullshit.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Don be more right. And in fact, let's take a
look at this clip that the president was in Dabos
for other reasons but made some other news about the
state that we're just discussing. Let's roll it.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
The situation in Minnesota reminds us that the West cannot
mass import foreign cultures which are failed to ever build
a successful society of their own. I mean, we're taking
people from Somalia, and Somalia is a failed it's not
a nation. Got no government, got no police, got no millie,

(15:33):
got no nothing. And then we have this fake congress
person who they just reported is worth thirty million dollars.
You believe is elon Omar talking about the Constitution provides
me she comes from a country that's not a country,
and she's telling us.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
How to run America. Not going to get away with
it much longer.

Speaker 8 (15:54):
Let me tell you elon.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
The other coming he makes about that in reference to
while he went to Minnesota, as he says, uh, you know,
we've got these people from you know, other cultures, because
he rails against Europe about their inclusion sort of inclusive
policies of of immigration, he says, but he says, we've
been dealing with these boats and getting these pirates from

(16:18):
stop stealing our ships. The Somalis who we thought were
low IQ people who happened to uh have a little
bit more IQs. How can they take these ships? And
then says about this scandal in Minnesota involving some Somalis
Somali Americans, that they can't be that low IQ if

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they figured out how to swindle that much money away
from the United States government. Really offensive rate, just openly racist.
Ship that he said from that stage, and it surta
to me, explains why they can act without regard to
the Fourth Amendment, Fifth Amendment, sixth Amendment, the Constitution, due process,

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access to attorneys, even picking up Americans, taking them into
counties a distant from where he picks them up, and
when they figure that the US citizens leave them to
themselves to walk in the snow, back to wherever it
is that they're trying to get back to.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
This is my regular moment to just remind you all
that the ring leader of the Minnesota fraud's name is
Amy Bach, a white woman.

Speaker 8 (17:27):
Carry on board.

Speaker 6 (17:28):
Sure, No, I mean at two points that just drive
me crazy. He's indicative of it. And like every episode,
I say the same thing, like nothing happens in a vacuum.
It's the reason that they want to dumb us down.
It's the anti intellectualism that's overtaking the country because his
ahistorical ignorance. It's just it's fascinating and baffling at the
same time.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
I mean, we.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
Pride ourselves on having young people in our communities strive
to the upper echelons and highest level of educational achievement.
We want you to have this insatiable desire to learn
as much as possible, and here we have a president
who's just dumb as hell. Like it's just it's fascinating
to see that you can make it to be leader
of the free world that runs contra to everything that

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we have taught our children to be. It's like we're
living in upside down times and I think that's really frustrating,
and I think that's disenchanting for a lot of people.
The second point I make is just kind of quick.
He's emboldened by And this goes back to a point
that Don made about showing your papers. Well, Brett Kavanaugh
said in the opinion, said that they could do this
because all you were going to have to do is

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show your papers. It would be a quick traffic stop
on parapact phrasing his opinion. They would let you go
and going about your business. But when the court's not
saying anything, when the legislative branch isn't saying anything, when
the minority party is trying to figure out what to say,
it kind of brings everything back to Andrew, which is
people in this country have to want change. And we

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were quiet when they came from Socialist because we weren't socialists.
We were quiet when they came for Jews because we
weren't Jews. And then they came for us and there
was nobody left to speak for me. And so that's
where we are.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yet, Hey, Don go ahead.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
So I just want to say something real quickly. Bacari.
I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
I think there are people who do teach their kids that,
you know, he's everything that could, He's the opposite of
what we teach our kids.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
I think that's some of us.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
But some of the folks in which we've discovered over
the last decade or so, teach their kids that they're
entitled there, that this world belongs to them, no matter if.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
They achieve or not, that they should be.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
The people who get accepted into universities, that they should
be the first person to get the jobs, regardless of
their qualification, and if there are minorities or women who
are more qualified, somehow, it's become a dei situation, diversity equality.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
That's what the means. I'm sorry, you don't like you. No,
that's you said it. You're right.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
So, yes, there are some of us and that so
when you said that, it just reminded me of when
people say this is not us, this is not America.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah it is, and so uh we do.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
There are some of us who have to teach our
kids that you have to be an overachiever in order
to acquire things in the and to get to a
certain level of professional, professional level and a personal level.
But there are others who said, this is our land.
You people should not be here, and that's why we're
in the situation that we're in right now.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
All of it.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, I hear you moving on to a lighter topics
really quickly, and that is why is the NCAA football
championship team so old? I don't really have a problem
with this, but Angelo apparently did this one.

Speaker 8 (20:40):
Her car is.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
I like it remains undefeated even after playing the University
of Miami for the national title in Miami, three oh five,
my birthplace.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
But folks are.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Wondering if age really is just a number. Turns out
the who Jews roster is about the same age as
a NFL team on average, and that's the age of
about twenty three. So young. I cannot believe. I cannot
believe which I am? My old coach Kurt Signette is
Signetti Natti. Yeah, has no time for the haters.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
He had this to say.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Yeah, it's pretty simple. I win.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Google me, google me.

Speaker 8 (21:23):
He's it.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Listen.

Speaker 6 (21:26):
The Green Bay PA Packers, at a youngest team on
average in the NFL, are about twenty five years old.
They made it to the playoffs this year. The average
age is about twenty three and some change. For the
Indiana Hoosiers. I mean that is a very very narrow gap.
I think it shows you that with nil, with the
transfer portal, with all these things, football is still football.
And if you get kids that want to be there,

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if you coach them up the right way, if you
have somebody with the swag is Kurt Signetti, you have
the pocket of Mark Cuban, who financed all of this.
Shout out to Mark Cuban for investing in those young
men and women and being competitive. The pendulum is switched,
switched and changed, and now you have fourth and fifth
year college graduates getting master's degrees, grown men going out there,

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going out there and beating the ass of your Miami Hurricanes.
But shout out to Miami for at least Megan you.
But Indiana hasn't won anything since we've been born, and
so shout out to Indiana. Hoo's just for uh, well,
all of us except Don So shout out to the
Indiana for their success in the National championship game.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Hey, hey, hey, Butker, since you got the floor, tell
us what's going on in Texas? In Texas linebacker, Oh Texas.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
I was like, man, that's a horrible toss.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
Andrew, I feel like we in the morning news and
I'm talking how the fuck is going on?

Speaker 2 (22:47):
This ain't my topic?

Speaker 8 (22:48):
No, no, no, it's all good. I will go ahead
and read this one another football news.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
Houston Texans linebacker as these As Air made a political
statement that costs nearly twelve thousand dollars in NFL finds.
The message stopped the genocide in solidarity with the Palestinian people.

Speaker 8 (23:07):
So why was he being.

Speaker 7 (23:08):
Told that he would be taking out the game? He explains,
that's roller clip.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
Before palace sign and you could person off.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
You know kids that have been amputated. Were you disappointed
that the league find.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
You for this?

Speaker 4 (23:20):
I knew, you know that that was a fine.

Speaker 10 (23:23):
You know, I understood what I was doing as far
as like I mean, for example, Steph, he wears the
I tape, you know, su As, I know him with
stuff on it, and they always find you. But I
was told that if I wore that end of the game,
I would be pulled out the game. So I think
that was probably the part that I was confused about
because I understand that.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
It was a fine. Sure, but you know, I ain't
never seen stepf get pulled.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Out the game.

Speaker 10 (23:45):
I tape with writing on it in the truth. So
I mean, at the end of the day, it's bigger than me.
One of the things that are going on makes people uncomfortable.
Imagine how those people feel, and I think that's the
biggest thing. I have no affiliation me, no connection to
these people, other than the fact that I'm a human being. Right,
if you have a heart, dear human being, you can

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see what's going on in the world, and you check
yourself real quick, braking.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
When I'm walking off this field.

Speaker 10 (24:11):
That's the type of stuff that goes through my head
that I have to check myself when I'm seeing it.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Crying about football. What it's people who are dying every
single day.

Speaker 7 (24:18):
Perspective and awareness, Yes, that's it, you know. According to
Gaza's health Ministry, more than seventy thousand Palestinians have been
killed since October twenty twenty three. So I thought it
was important that this young man is trying to raise
awareness for what is happening still in Gaza to the
Palestinian people.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
And unfortunately, truth telling still comes with great consequence. Apparently,
even a truth that's been told by nearly every international
health organization in the world who agrees that genocide is underway. Angela.

Speaker 7 (24:54):
What you have, well, I still have the floor. I
guess this is what I want to talk about. Don
Lemon had to read for Nicki Minaj, and so I
want to talk about that. Nicki Minaj of course calling
Don Lemon out his name, coming at him, WHI slurs
after all that's going on, trying to report the facts
from the ground in Minnesota. She didn't like him being
in the church. Imagine Nicki Minaj being a bigger Christian

(25:16):
than TD Jakes. I can't call it, but here's Don's response.
This is what happened on Marlo Ja King Day, y'all.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
So people have been asking me about responding to Nicki
Minaj's unhinged, homophobic tweet about me. I usually don't respond
to this stuff, but let me just say this, Nicki Minaj,
stop talking about shit for which you know nothing about.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
This is out of your out.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Of your depth, by the way, and you are a
homophobic bigot, You don't care about African Americans, and you're
not an African American.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
From what I know. You are reportedly.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
An undocumented citizen, so you should be deported under Donald
Trump's rules.

Speaker 8 (25:54):
So Don Lemon, we have you here? I want to
know what inspired.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
This sweet first? Can we put the tweet first? Because
Nicki Nicki Nicki.

Speaker 8 (26:01):
Be on that to give her. I don't want to
put that tweet up.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I just want to mad so he could he could
read again. I just wanted to.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Paraphrase he she said that she called me don c
sucking lemon. Uh is disgusting. How dare you? I want
that thug in jail. He would never do that to
any other religion. Lock him up? Okay, a couple of things.
Let's let's start. Let's start at the bottom of the page,
shall we uh? Can we go back to that she said?

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Lock him up now?

Speaker 3 (26:35):
According to the reports, allegedly reportedly Nicki Minaj is came
she came to this country illegally and she might be undocumented.
So under her cult leader's rules, Nicki Minaj should be deported.
I should come over to her house and do what
they do to other people. Throw her on the ground,
handcuff her, throw it in the back of a car,
and deport her. Okay number two, I'm just saying, if she.

Speaker 6 (26:59):
Has let the man burried, let them wrong.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
I want to deportation for black people, for black people
who disrespect African Americans when she is a visitor in
our country. Yes, and if she supports the man who
supports deporting people without due process, then yeah, deport her.
As he said, that's the law and the rules that

(27:26):
she believes in. I said what I said, and I'm
not changing it. He would never do that to any
other religion. I don't have my book here. I just
wrote a book on religion that came out and was
a bestseller. I know more about I've forgotten more about
religion than Nicki Minaj knows who who calls Psalm twenty
three Sam's when? And when they ask who is what
is her favorite Bible versus, she says Sam's twenty three.

(27:49):
I'm like, she don't know. That's two two Corinthians. Like
Donald Trump said his favorite thing is I want that
thug in jail. She must be talking about her husband
and her brother and reportedly allegedly maybe her father. I
don't know that's what I hear now. I don't know
about that one.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
But her husband.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Her husband is a sex offender who was charged with
not registering as a sex offender in twenty twenty one
and had to serve time and pay a fine. I
believe her brother reportedly allegedly is a pedophile, and so
people believe that she's doing that because she wants leniency
or something, and that's why she's cosied up to the

(28:37):
maga folks. And she is sitting on stage with Erica Kirk.
How dare you well, how dare you Nicki Minaj? When
you this is Nicki Minaj is outside of her capacity
when commenting on anything other than trash or gossip or garbage.
And then don Sea sucking lemon is disgusting. If she
wants to know about disgusting, she should go and just

(28:59):
turn to the man she sleeps in bed with every
night and uh.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Ask his being it was actually convicted.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
And if it is disgusting to be on the sex
offender register, or ask her brother or whatever it is
her family member.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Who is a pedophile. If that's disgusting, that's it. Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Wow, Well that mic was dropped. This is smoking over here,
I'm telling you.

Speaker 8 (29:26):
And we still got more topics? Will we got?

Speaker 6 (29:28):
Andrew I want to throws back up, like, what when
do you decide to because this is a good question.
This is something that we all talk about sometimes, but
when do you decide to respond on versus? Because you
get a lot of hate your way, and you have
gotten a lot of hate for a long period of time,
and you have evolved in a lot of different ways.
But when do you when do you decide to respond versus?

(29:48):
When do you sit back and just let it let
it chill.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I sit back and let it chill for a lot.
But you know I don't have to do that anymore.
So there's a lot of talk about it.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
There's a lot of response that that's in this body
that I didn't get out when I worked in mainstream
media for twenty twenty five years. Twenty five years, if
not more so, I decided because number one is bubbling up.
Number two, Nicki Minaj is you have to and I
don't mean I mean this metaphorically. You have to punch
a bully right in the nose. Right You can't sometimes

(30:18):
like you and you have to no means no. You
have to let a bully know that no means no.
When Donald Trump says I want to annex Greenland, you
just go no. I said what I said, I'm not
changing it, and so I think you have to do
that with Nicki Minaj because she thinks it's funny. And
also I think it's also important for a journalist support

(30:39):
to report the hypocrisy and to let people know that
for those of us with real papers from real universities
and real degrees, that we studied this and we know
how to read in ways and sometimes in many different
languages than people who can put up a tweet that is,
you know, thirty seconds of something and a picture of

(31:00):
another thing and they think it's cute. She put up
a picture of the chucky doll, and I think a
better something that would better describe the whole situation.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
And who Nicki Minaj.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Is is a pick me doll that she should have
put up in that post. Because Nicki Minaj is a
pick me. She is the definition of what we, especially
Black people, call a pick me, people who cozy up
to whiteness because they think that somehow that is going
to get them somewhere or make them not as black.
You are not like them, You are one of the

(31:33):
good ones. She's a pick me. Put a pick me
doll in there. I choose not to pick her, and
I think gay people who support her with the homophobic
thing she said about me and black people as African
Americans who support her should stop because they are contributing
to her vileness.

Speaker 7 (31:50):
I think that she's given them access to her Twitter account.
I'm starting to think that that's not even her tweeting.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
She had to shut down her she had to shut
down her Instagram because she lost the followers after the
whole Charlie Kirk thing.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
You know what I didn't think about.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Andrew. I totally forgot about the mansion.
Did you guys know this thing too? And so I
did a whole thing on it the other day where
you have to just let people know about things because
they think it's cute. She's also involved in a lawsuit
that she lost because her husband reportedly got into a
fight with the security guard after the security guard broke

(32:25):
up a fight reportedly between Nicki Minaj and one of
her staff members, and her husband reportedly punched the security
guard in the face. The security guard has a five
dollars one hundred thousand dollars judgment against them and apparently
they're not paying it. So they went to court and
the judge said that they were going to take some
of her assets, which included the twenty some million dollar mansion.

(32:49):
And as we are taping this, I think that either
happens today that she had to pay it or tomorrow.
So if you want to know what's behind somebody's pantics,
that's what you have to close.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Go ahead, Bard, No, I want to go. I know
you said big on it, bid on it. No, we can.
Let's go bid on it. Let's go buy.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Just you know what, let's do it. I can raise
some funds. You want to do it, Bard, I love
to do it.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
That'd be funny. Take a picture.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
We got.

Speaker 8 (33:22):
We got big topics.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Well, we got what what what? What? What's up on
the on the how jams react to the custom piece.

Speaker 8 (33:30):
We'll talk about cussing later.

Speaker 7 (33:32):
But I think because we don't have Don for much longer,
we should jump into protesting in church and the allegations
of charging him with.

Speaker 8 (33:39):
The k K K Actum.

Speaker 7 (33:50):
So let us roll this clip from y'all's Assistant Attorney
General har Meet Dillon and what she had to say
about prosecuting Don Lemon and others.

Speaker 11 (33:59):
It's off limits to go into a house of worship
to do your little protests. Protests can occur on public property,
protests can occur outside you know, on a sidewalk, certain sidewalks,
not all sidewalks. And this is like basic what you
learn in the first year of law school. There's a
time placed in manner restrictions on the First Amendment write
a protest, and they were violated here in this case,

(34:20):
no question about it. The only question is who was involved,
how many were involved, and how many chargers are going
to be brought here? Those are the questions.

Speaker 7 (34:29):
So what I think is important here, I just want
to remind y'all that this all is going down on
Martin Luther King Day. So your Assistant Attorney General goes
on a show with this conservative influencer. Earlier in the show,
talks about potentially prosecuting Don Lemon and others who were
in the church under the KKK Act, also know as
the Enforcement Act of eighteen seventy one eighteen seventy one.

(34:50):
More on that in a second. She later stated that
individuals could also be charged under the Freedom of Access
to Clinic Entrances Act. This, I think is a important
as a backdrop, And we can also pull up the
tweet nick where the Assistant Attorney General references the FACE Act,
and there's another from Donald Trump on true social about

(35:11):
what he thinks should happen to protesters who went into
this church. So don if you can talk to the
audience a little bit about why you were in this church,
whose church it was, and why they thought they saw
fit to even be there.

Speaker 8 (35:26):
You were there reporting?

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yes, I was there reporting, And I don't even know
the name of the church. I don't even know the
name of the pastor who was there. But I do
know the name of the pastor who was alleged to
be and now has been confirmed by the church to
be like the I forget some sort of coordinating agent
or something of ICE, a directing agent of ICE.

Speaker 8 (35:49):
In acting field director.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Acting right David Easterwood, and that he was a pastor
in the church. And so that group said that they
went there to protest that I didn't even know what
the which what you know, what place they were going.
It was an organization that people said were doing They
had sent out a flyer and they were a protest group,

(36:11):
and they had been protesting what was happening in Minneapolis.
And I was I landed in Minneapolis and said, sure,
I'll go, I'll follow them. I'll just go chronicle what
they're doing. And so when I found out it was
a church, I sat back for a bit and I said,
let them do their thing.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Did I know they were going to go in there.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Of course, of course they're going to go in there,
that's what they do, or go in there around the church. Well,
I wasn't sure if they were going to go inside
or go around the church or whatever. I didn't know
what their actions would be, but I knew that I
wanted to report on it because that's part of what
was happening that day. And so when they went into
the church, I stood there and waited for a bit

(36:48):
and waited and waited, and I saw other members of
the press going in, and so I walked in. When
I saw the when when the unrest happened, I walked
in and and just started started saying, Hey, look this
group is over here. It's chaos right there. They're channing this.
They're parishioners and church members over here who are upset.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
And let me go over.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
And talk to the pastor, pastor, how do you feel
about this, about this happening in the church. And then
he did this thing, and I went over to one
of the some of the parishioners, I said, what do
you feel about this? If they said they didn't want
to talk, I said, I understand, and I moved on
and uh. And then I talked to the afterwards, the
members of the group that had organized the protest, and
that was it. I left and then somehow, yes, somehow,

(37:33):
I became the face of it. I'm like, I'm not
the face of it. I'm not a protester. And I
kept saying to them when people would say, why are
you going you guys, what do you I said, sir,
I'm not part I'm not one of the protesters.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I'm just here. I'm a journalist and I'm here reporting
and that's it. Would you like to say something? And
then that's it?

Speaker 6 (37:47):
So wow, you know why you're the you know why
you're the face of it because you are Don Lemon.
That's one two. The KKK at don't even apply.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
I don't even know what that said.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
You can't appear on my show anymore because he's not
going to be on any KKK members shows.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
It was passed or reconstruction, and the purpose of it
was to suppress the KKK and protect African Americans. Ironically,
she's saying she's going to prosecute you using this act.
It was the reason for it was to protect African
Americans and ensure their access to due process, access to
hold office, and access to serve on juries.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Because what was happening was the KKK.

Speaker 6 (38:29):
They were getting together and they were going out and
intimidating folk, and they were like, we need to make
sure we keep this from happening. Nothing that you said,
the contours the context of what you said falls under
the KKK Act.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
So that's first.

Speaker 6 (38:40):
Second, nobody should really have an issue with Don Levan
going in there and covering the movement or covering a protest,
because journalists cover protests, and I believe you have the
right to cover it wherever you should or wherever you
want to. The third thing, though, is where I disagree
with all of y'all, and that I don't think you
will believe you should protest in church. I believe that
to be whole ground. I believe that to be sacricaying,

(39:02):
and I actually I don't mind people covering a protest.
My problem is with the protesters, and the reason being
is because where do you draw the line. It's an
extremely slippery slope, and one of the houses of worship
that I find near and dear to my heart is
Mother Emmanuel Ami. And in January of twenty twenty four,
when Joe Biden was in there speaking, it was crashed

(39:22):
by some far left not even far left, but some
left wing Charleston National protesters. And you know, it was
just a bunch of older black folks in there trying
to pray worship and Mother Emmanuel is a sacred place
for a lot of us. I mean, it just warms
our spirit a lot of us and we're not trying
to go to church to have it interrupted by protesters,

(39:42):
particularly for this or that. And so I just find
that to be a very slippery slope. If you're like, oh,
well we can just protest ice, well, who's to keep
somebody from protesting single payer healthcare or whatever it may be?
And that, for me, it's a very personal thing. I'm
not trying tompose it on anybody else. That just crosses
a line.

Speaker 8 (39:58):
I I don't really agree really quick? Can I.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Can?

Speaker 3 (40:02):
I just say one thing and then I'll go, I
don't disagree with you, but it's not my job. It's
not my job to judge whether it's appropriate to.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Cover it.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
And so as a Christian. Yes, it may be uncomfortable,
and I even say that said that in the report.
I can understand why people are uncomfortable. Here, look at
the kid. People are consoling their children or whatever. I
can understand that. But as a journalist, you know, I mean,
I may have to cover in a war zone. I
may not agree with what our country is doing, but
it's not my job when I'm covering it to say
that it's my job to cover it and then let

(40:30):
the people decide, and then I could talk about whether
it's appropriate or not in another way. So I actually
feel very close to similar as you feel about.

Speaker 12 (40:38):
It without the transparent to Our liberation was fomented in
the church, the meetings that led to bus boycotts, that
led to table counter protests that led to uh in
some cases, the admonishment of our skin folk who were

(40:59):
not our kinfault.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Correct. The pastors spoke of it, yes, but not all pastors, right,
do you remember? Letter from Birmingham jail was directed at
all those religious, super religious, black, white and otherwise pastors
who said not here Reverend Jackson.

Speaker 6 (41:16):
Reverend Jackson hated King so much in Chicago he changed
his door, his address correct.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
You're making the point, right.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah, So I don't know how we I don't know
how we go from And I'll stop here, Angela, because
I haven't said much by way of opinion here so far.
But it is I don't think one her meet Dylan
ought to be setting up the case for whether or
not protests and churches is or is not correct. This
is the same woman who would not allow her division

(41:46):
of civil rights we're supposed to ensure to our civil liberties,
in our civil rights within this here country, decided that
she wasn't going to investigate the officer who killed Missus Good. Now,
I know that the facts aim to be laid out,
but the federal government has already said they're not launching
an investigation against Missus Good's killer. This is the same

(42:09):
woman who decided to dismiss similarily all of the consent
decrees that precessed her from the last administration, holding those
communities accountable who had committed atrocious violations of civil rights
acts all around the country. She's got no grounds to

(42:29):
tell us what is and is not appropriate. I'm deeply
offended by the fact that she even gets to carry
this title, and certainly that we have to refer to
her as a Department of Justice deputy, because this department
is anything but just that's not what they represent, So
she doesn't get to set up this frame for me.
I reject that, but I just want us to keep

(42:49):
in mind and consider what if this were different day
in time, And quite frankly, it feels like maybe similar
day in time, but a different day in time, say
nineteen fifty eight, fifty four, nineteen sixty sixty three, at
a different part of the country, would we be clamoring
for our church spaces to be the places in which

(43:09):
we not only organize, but also go to protests, to
let our voices be heard, to fight amongst each other,
before we then descend out into the streets with a
unified voice and message to move our communities forward the history.
Now with none of that, I'm not being selective about
the fact that there are some places where you have

(43:31):
to go. Paula White here in Florida, how you going
to hold up the Gospel of Christ on Sunday and
then on Monday you are treading barbs against our communities,
all of our communities as you pretend to be pastoral
moral advisor to President Trump. It just doesn't sink.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
So I listen.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
My point is, I agree with, as we oftentimes find ourselves,
about seventy five percent of what you said. I agree
with the offensive nature of the Associate Attorney General. I
think she's out of her depth. I don't think she
deserves her job all of those things. I think that
her interpretation of the KKK Act is like somebody just
told her that before she went on air, right, I mean,
it's just flatly wrong. But again, we're going back to

(44:14):
the point that they can be mediocre and still achieve
these high levels of power. We covered that a little
bit earlier. But I think that you are highlighting and
conflating two issues, like, yes, the church was the central
meeting point. Yes, the church was a point of organization. Yes,
the church was a place where you could go out
and articulate from the well of the pulpit. Nobody does
that better right now than Rafael Warnot. Right Ebenezer, a

(44:36):
Baptist church. Rafael Warnot goes up there and he talks
about the scripture. Equates that to making sure that we
understand Sunday is not the only day that we do this,
making sure that we're out there doing God's work Monday
through Saturday, basically relying on the Scripture as a blueprint.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
I agree with all of that.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
What I'm saying in protesting to the treads on.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Us, right, Yeah, I know.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
But but what bothers me though, is in that house
of worship, a place where we were stripped of everything
that we had when we came here except faith, where
we hold it to be sacricanct, where we hold it
to be a place of home. And yes we can
argue in bicker, because black folks bicker and arguing the
church more than anywhere else.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
What I'm saying, though, is.

Speaker 6 (45:16):
For an outside body, because that's what a protest is,
to come in, to come into our church and your body,
to come come come into our home, regardless of what
it may be, and to protest somebody.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
That's what can we get to behind why you feel that?

Speaker 8 (45:33):
I really want to chime in here because I think
that there's go ahead.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
No, I was just going to say.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
The why is that I don't feel like we have
many spaces that are our own. I don't feel that
we have spaces that we can have a certain level
of peace. I don't feel like there are spaces where
you can go in and rest in your thoughts, in
your faith, in your worship. I mean, I go sit
at Potter's house and be up there crying in that moment.

(45:59):
The last thing I want somebody to do is comeing
in and protest because I don't like Bernie Sanders, like
that is for me something that I find to be
mine and my Lord, and I want to have that time.
And I just I ain't protesting in nobody's church.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (46:15):
I'm just going to tell you this, Like there's a
difference between fascism faith and black liberation theology. And so
I think that the main thing that we're we're conflating
here now is that all places of worship are made equal.
I want to remind the audience that the purpose of
this particular protest is because David Easterwood, who is a

(46:35):
pastor at City's Church, is the field director, the acting
field director for Saint Paul, the Ice for Ice in
Saint Paul, renee Good was killed. The protest was because
renee Good was killed or that man's leadership.

Speaker 8 (46:52):
And so it would be one thing if they were
protesting scripture.

Speaker 7 (46:55):
It would be one thing if they were protesting the
fact that they didn't like this particular path because they
don't like what he preached about last Sunday. It would
be another thing as well, Bakari, if people went to
Mother Emmanuel to protest the fact that Dylan Rufe.

Speaker 8 (47:10):
Didn't get a big enough cheeseburger.

Speaker 7 (47:12):
On the other side of killing the parishioners at Bible study,
what we're talking about are people who are protesting because
their lives are at risk.

Speaker 8 (47:21):
What we're talking about is people who took on the
mantle of Jesus.

Speaker 7 (47:25):
In Matthew twenty one, verses twelve and thirteen when he
flipped the tables over. We're talking about protesting Pharisees and Sadducees,
not gentiles who don't know any better. We're talking about
protesting people who act under the color of law, people
who were acting under fake moral authority. Not what is
biblically true, Not what is loving your neighbor as yourself,

(47:46):
Not what is feeding the poor, not what is taking
care of the migrants, Not what is taking care of
people who are.

Speaker 8 (47:52):
In prison, incarcerated and being done wrong. Clothing the naked.

Speaker 7 (47:56):
They took a naked man outside of his house, fresh
out of the shop, hour with this ice.

Speaker 8 (48:01):
So I think that we've got to differentiate between.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
But how do you differentiate how how do you my pointing.

Speaker 8 (48:09):
It's immoral protesting? What is it moral under the color
of the cloth.

Speaker 6 (48:15):
But I mean, you we just had a protest. We
had a protested mother emanual. It wasn't about a cheeseburger.
We had these cars came in and Joe Biden is,
why do you.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Think of church's off limits? Why is it?

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Why is that off limits? Do we deem religion to
be off limits? Because that's problematic too, because you ever know,
I don't think religion because God said so, And then
you go, I don't think that.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Religion is off said so for slavery.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
I mean I think I think I don't think religion
is off limits. I mean, in fact, I think that
religion as a vessel for protest. I mean, I just
took my kids out to see the Buddhist monks that
are traveling from Houston, Texas. They're walking twenty three hundred miles,
and I just you know, it's not my religion, it's
not my faith, but I wanted my kids to be
able to be a part of that movement. See things
they got a chance to meet the monks, meet a local,

(48:57):
the little dog. But my point is this, we're we're
setting this arbitrary red line, or this arbitrary line that
houses of worship, and that that is what that is
what bothers me. I mean houses of worship.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
You you established the red line. I don't believe there
is a line.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
No, that's but no, no, no.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
But I'm responding to Angela because Angela. Angela was dictating
that all churches are not created equal, which although I agree,
although trust me, I do agree with who is who
is the arbiter of that line?

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Who?

Speaker 2 (49:31):
My line is very clear.

Speaker 8 (49:32):
Means I think it's God. I think it's God, and
it's the guy in me.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
I think that.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Look, I understand how you feel as a Christian, as
a as a practicing Christian. I understand how you feel
about that. But I would also have to ask you
about what if there were people whose children had been
abused by priests. Would you not want them to go
into a Catholic church and say that man abused my child,

(49:58):
that man sexually sulted mynd nine or ten or seven whatever?
Would it be like, Oh, you can't tell your truth
because you just can't go into a church.

Speaker 6 (50:07):
No, I mean I think you can go Like I
think that if you have a child who is a
victim of child sex abuse, like in your example, and
you are someone who stands up and says, in that spirit,
it comes over you and you tell and you speak
your truth in that moment, right, that is what the
church is for. If you're speaking your truth, that is
what the church is for. Organ But hold on, hold on.

(50:28):
And he was also talking about a member of that
church or somebody who had a relationship with that church.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Relevantly, what I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 (50:35):
What I'm talking about is creating an outside entity that
has no affiliation with the church at all and protesting
that church or inside that church.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
I mean, what if it's a group of people who
are protesting against child's sex abuse and some of the
child sex abuses are in that church.

Speaker 6 (50:56):
I mean, look, I think that we can go down
this path and have the have these exceptions, and I
think that there are places.

Speaker 8 (51:03):
In times perceptions, there are places in tops.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Well, we start trying, we're trying to create more exceptions too.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
But my my biggest, my biggest, my biggest problem, my
biggest problem is that we're we are saying that this
is okay, this is this is okay because this is
an issue that drives us. This is okay because we're
all four of us are completely outraged by the behavior
of Ice. That is a similarity, and that is a
message that all of us convey today. Ice is fucking

(51:32):
up and destroying people's neighborhoods.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I agree with that.

Speaker 6 (51:35):
However, when Andrew gillim or Bacari Sellers or Angela r
speak at the next church and we are rolling through
talking about the pain and the fight for Black liberation,
and then you have a group of Moms for liberty,
have no affiliation with that church, come in the church
and say.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
You niggas are bad for society.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
If they want life, if they wanted to shoot their
shot in that way, come on right. Because because the
environment will curate its own experience and make the choice,
we don't get to be selective about what issue necessitates protests.
I think church as a venue. I think whatever it is,

(52:18):
whatever it is, because people don't generally just randomly show
up in churches to protest for no reason. Usually people
are engineered by something that has occurred. There is usually
a connection and that provides the moral clarity for the
people who are part of that protest to be in
that place at that time. I just think in today's society,

(52:39):
and quite frankly for our community, it's been that way
since jump in this country. But in today's society, uh,
where churches, particularly white evangelical churches, are organizing politics, organizing
centers of politics. I don't understand how we then draw
the line. But you said twice, and it's can use

(53:00):
a church to organize a protest, you just can't execute
one thing.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
You've said this twice.

Speaker 6 (53:05):
Can you name me throughout history using your civil rights
direct line and metaphor, can you name me an organized
protest that black folks have had in opposition inside of
the house of worship?

Speaker 3 (53:17):
You know, we people have to integrate churches and integrating
black people, innovating churches and going in I am the churches.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
That's a form of protest.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
I'm not talking about large scale I'm not talking about
large scale movement, march on Washington type stuff. That's what
I have been a part of congregations where people have
come in and protested, including I've seen in my community
people who have come in and protested the pastor who
is sleeping with uh uh, this.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
This person's history. I'm not about.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
You to curate you're trying to This.

Speaker 7 (53:52):
Is also inner churches, because then the inn church beef
is that they are not abiding. We literally have someone
who is the pastor of the church.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Facilitating go ahead. I'm sure.

Speaker 7 (54:08):
Well, all I'm saying is this, let me just reference
the law. Because you reference Kkkact, we know that was
created under reconstruction. But also this Assistant Attorney General references
the freedom of access to clinic entrances active nineteen ninety four.
You know the sponsor was the late Ted Kennedy. The
reason I'm bringing this up is as a compromise, places
of worship were integrated into this particular legislation. But this

(54:31):
was really about people who are defacing clinics where people
were getting abortions. Now they say specifically in this bill
that there's nothing in here that should be taking away
activities protected by free speech or free exercise clauses the
First Amendment, and I think that it is very important
that we decipher between the two. We can feel disrespected,

(54:52):
we can feel afraid, we can feel concerned that people
are in places that we normally deem sacred, but which
should be more sacred than anything else else in this
life in this country, is life itself.

Speaker 8 (55:03):
And this woman's life was taken from her.

Speaker 7 (55:05):
So these pro life people at this city's church, and
they're acting Ice director, who is also their pastor, should
have to make a statement, should have to be clear
about where they stand in this. Donald Trump is even saying, well,
Ice has made some mistakes. He's being very cavalier about it,
but at least he's even acknowledged that they've made mistakes.
This pastor's not doing that, and I thntion our folks

(55:26):
have every right to demand that he says something, if
nothing else, an apology to her family.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Angel I just I agree with you. I simply just
want to align myself with I am issue agnostic about
what the protests may be or may be about. I
understand that there are many of us who hold in
our hearts, our churches sacrasanc. There are people who also
hold their traffic time, the streets that they go on
to get from and to work sacri sank and do

(55:54):
not believe you should be able to come into the
intersection and disrupt that protest is fine, So long as
it doesn't disrupt me. But the meaning of protest, the
very essence of why we do it, is to shake
you out of your normal to do something so drastic,
so different, so capturing, and quite frankly out of place,
for the moment that I hold your attention, so that

(56:16):
you get to hear what it is that I have
to say. Again, I think, obviously, I consider my church
base sacred, my prayer time sacred, o my home sacred,
and so many other things, and there are laws around.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
All of that.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
But protest, by its essence, at its depth, at its
very meaning, is to frankly, to cause you to say
a man or ouch, And more of us will likely
say ouch, because it is happening out of our comfort zone.
And that is the point.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
I agree with her, whether I agree with her or
you agree with it, and I am torn. I have
mixed feelings about it. I still believe that my role
as a journalist, not as a protester, is protected under
the First Amendment, and it be chronicled, should be chronicled, because.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Then you don't know what.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Imagine if there were no journalists there and it was
not chronicled, and if it was not recorded, they could
have made things up about what the protesters did. The
protesters could have made things up about and now you
see it all on camera. And that is the role
of a journalist.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
So anyway, and we need you, We need you in
the first Amendment also needs you, and we also need Congress, but.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Do they need to be We also need Jesus. But
I was just I think we all four of us
will agree.

Speaker 6 (57:28):
You walk up and protesting the black church, your experience,
to use term will be curated.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
That's now.

Speaker 8 (57:36):
Outside of the protest.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
But put some flyers on the cars. Don't come up here.
That's what I said.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
If you feel a real froggy, you want to leap, Okay,
you go ahead.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
When you walk into the church, there's a big sign
on the door that says, don't start.

Speaker 13 (57:53):
None who cares about truth and.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
The loss more than saying it.

Speaker 7 (58:08):
So according to NBC News, twenty four members of Congress
are eighty four or older, and more than half of
them are running for reelection.

Speaker 8 (58:16):
But Kari and I got.

Speaker 7 (58:17):
Into a heated discussion about this just briefly, and so
I was like, well, you know, we should run that
thing back into the show. So I want to talk
very quickly about the aging of our Congress and whether
or not age is nothing but a number or if
it's all the numbers. Clearly we see the impact of
age on Donald Trump's presidency. People talked about it quite

(58:38):
a bit with Joe Biden's presidency. Don I got to
hear from you, what do you think about the age
of our Congress.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Look, I don't want to seem like I'm straddling the
fence here, but I think you need a combination of both.
I think that I think there's time for some people
to just say, you know, there comes a time we
have to say so long, like Carol Burnett said so
And I think we have to make room for young
people with pressure ideas, because that's how if you ever
hang around a young person like my social media team

(59:08):
keeps me young and they have great ideas. And a
lot of the folks who are the old folks don't
understand where the world is going AI, you know, streaming
computers and all of that. But I believe there is
one thing that older people have that we can't buy,
and that's wisdom. And I think we have to respect

(59:29):
that wisdom. And also you have to respect experience because
there are things that people with experience, they've gone through
one hundred times before, and they know how to deal
with it.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
They know how to deal with.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Pressure and pain and grief and all of those things
that one of the younger souls may not be able
to deal with as well. So I think you need both.
You need the old one, you know, each one, teach one.
I think you need some of the older folks to
do that and some of the younger folks to come in.
But I do believe that we need more young people.
They are younger voices, pressure ideas.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
I hear that, Bakari. So you want to get rid
of all the old people? So what you got?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
I mean I'm somewhat with donnad. First of all, every
eighty year old, all eighty year olds aren't equal. I
think we all know that, right. I think that we
see that in our own lives. You have these eighty
year olds.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
I was looking at the other day Llkuj's mama, right.
I don't know if y'all saw that picture. He was
celebrating a birthday, I believe, and she was. I mean,
they said, I don't want to guess the age, but
she was she was up there, right, but she looked amazing,
like she looked like she had to be fifty years old.
So every eighty year old is not equal. And we're

(01:00:37):
we're not talking about casting folk aside. There are two
issues that I have, particularly with black leadership in the
aging One both in our church. We've been church heavy
in this program, but both in our church and our
civic organizations as well as our politics. We don't create
succession plans. We don't have any idea who or what
we're looking for in the next upcoming leader, which means

(01:00:59):
that when something has happens to our aging leaders, when
they fall a brick a hip, when they have a
heart attack, when it's a tragedy that strikes, whatever it
may be, we're just sitting out here. Just the John
Conyer's district is probably one of the better examples, right, Michigan. Detroit,
Michigan has no black the city of Detroit one of
the blackest, I think it is the blackest major city

(01:01:19):
in the United States of America. Has no black representative
in the United States Congress, not a one. Right, and
you begin to see those things. The other thing is,
and this is when Angela really gets mad at me
because I think that we need a job fair, but
these neighbors, like I think we need a job fair
for black elected officials in particular, because when white boys

(01:01:40):
get to a certain age, they cash out, they go
to think things.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
They go to SaaS.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
Maybe he please just I know he's Senator SaaS is
somebody who actually asked the question. Although I disagree with
him politically, he asked a question what can I do
for my country, not what can my country do for me?
And I don't know if you all saw his post
recently that he is what can UF pay for next?
He's in stage four cancer and he doesn't have that

(01:02:06):
much longer left to live. So I just wanted to
uh kind of throw that throw throw that out there
as a random aside. But you know, you have these
individuals who go to these college campuses like SaaS at
UF or whatever it is, and a lot of times
black folk in elected office don't have a landing spot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
We talk about that all the time. We don't have
a landing spot.

Speaker 6 (01:02:26):
And so when I think I think about the age
in Congress, it's like one we don't have a succession plan.
I'm not saying get rid of all the old folks,
everybody above the eighties shouldn't run. Jim Cloudburn lasts at
me all the time because he says, every time I
shake his hand, I check his pulse, right, he says.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Macary, I'm only taking one cholesterol pill. I'm in good shape. Right.
That's cool.

Speaker 6 (01:02:42):
Everybody's not created equal, but we need a succession plan
and we need to make sure that our they have
a great landing spot that like the white boys do,
so they can actually go out and create wealth for
their families and reap the benefits of their service.

Speaker 7 (01:02:56):
This is this is one thing that I think and
Andrew want you to weigh in here too. But there's
one area in particular that I want you to address.
Bacari has been controversial, particularly on the Hill. There are
members of Congress, especially our older ones, people who are
my mentors, like father figures to me, mother figures to me,
who have taken great issue with the fact that they

(01:03:18):
were told that you wanted to run against Congressman Clyburn
and you were ready to take him out us form
of an intern So I would like for you to
address this once and for all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:03:26):
Yeah, I've always told people, I've always told people, and
I tell Congressman that, first of all, I don't address
I don't address everything, like That's one of the questions
I asked Don earlier in the show, Like I don't
address everything because everything don't need to be addressed. And
if people around Congressman Cliburn want to tell him I'm
running against him, so what I mean, you kind of
listen when you can pick up the phone and call me,
that's that's fine. I've never made any steps to run
against Congressman Clyburn. If I've been critical of something he's

(01:03:50):
done in the media, ask me, I will like anybody else.
I mean, I think we have that relationship, we have
that respect for each other. He and I have a
great relationship. But I've told him many times I have
no intentions of running against Jim Cliver. I mean, I
don't have I don't, I don't. I don't want to
do that. I don't feel that to be good for
black folk in any in any way shape form, for
this district and somebody who served and who brought stuff back,

(01:04:13):
you know, it is what it is now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
You're not going to be able to pass that seat
down to X y Z. But I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
I have a great deal of respect for Jim Clavern
and his family, and I've never that was something.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
The funny part about.

Speaker 6 (01:04:25):
That is that that's so dc that it's like decently
irrelevant to anybody in the sixth Congressional District, decently irrelevant
to anybody in South Carolina, because everybody down here knows,
and no one in here is like, but car go
run against Jim, And I'm not telling people I am.

Speaker 7 (01:04:40):
Well, I wanted to clear that up because I think
that's important in the context for this particular topic. Andrew,
you're a former young elected official, developed young elected officials
network through people for the American way, and I think
it's so important that we're building a bench, but we're
also not throwing away our elders. There is no succession
plan for a lot of the members of Congress, particularly
the black members. It's the most money that many of

(01:05:02):
them have ever made in their lives to say you
need to leave here. The question is and do what
you know. And also, Congressman Waters has more energy than
some of the thirty and forty year old members of Congress.
So I do think it's very dumb to say, oh,
if you're over this age because the third oldest Congress
in history, you should have to automatically step down. Who

(01:05:23):
has the ability, the wherewithal, the knowledge to fight against
this type of authority is here in regime.

Speaker 8 (01:05:29):
Who was closer to.

Speaker 7 (01:05:30):
Jim Crow and knows what happens and how to combat
when segregationist policies are front and center.

Speaker 8 (01:05:36):
We should not be thrown away all of our elders.

Speaker 7 (01:05:39):
And we certainly now, if you're not doing nothing, I
don't care what age you are, you should be run against.

Speaker 8 (01:05:45):
That's completely different.

Speaker 7 (01:05:46):
But I think this blanket idea that if you're older
you automatically need to be tossed aside is just bad.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
But let's also say this, and I'm gonna call a
name out and people whatever, take it how you wish.
But I love Eleanor Holmes Norton with a passion. She's
done so much for DC. She does not need to
run for reelection.

Speaker 8 (01:06:05):
I mean agreed.

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
I mean, there are there are certain people who we
know who we see with our eyes like I mean,
it's it's it's I guess it's people now look at
it as like a Joe Biden test, right, that just
don't need to be running for office again, and we
need to be confident like Chuck Grassley doesn't need to
be running for office again from the great state of Iowa.
I mean, this is not a this is not a

(01:06:29):
democratic problem. This is a problem I believe across the electorate.
And I I think people give me more grief because
I'm not afraid to like, we deal with these the
three of us. We deal with these people consistently all
the time. They're friends, many of them are friends. If
they're not friends with us, they've been friends with our parents, right,
So we have to be willing to hold them accountable.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
I think I don't. I don't find that to be
out of the out of the ballpark.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
I agree on on on the on many of the points. One,
there's really ever a retirement land. There's really ever a
place to go when you when you leave a place
like that. And let's just be honest, once you've been
in a position to have that will, that kind of
influence over the lives of people, it's very hard to
find a place where you feel like your best and

(01:07:16):
highest talents are being called upon and are utilized. And
people don't want to be put out in the pasture
when they're not ready for pasture. And so I'm a
big fan of leaving you know, people's term limits, what
your opinion and aging out, you know, force retirement. D Look,
if you are on a ballot that already exists, the

(01:07:37):
voters are the arbiters of whether or not you get
a term or you get your limit, and they you
have to trust them to decide that for themselves. And
they've been able to do that even against long term
institutional names. Voters have gone out and shot you know,
the system by turning you know, those kinds of people
out or re electing them and saying go back and

(01:07:59):
keep up the fight. I will say this as well,
because you laid out some of my early credentials with
development of young leaders and and and the young Lative
Officials network is one of the things that it showed
me as well. And I wasn't planning for this, but
it showed me also who absolutely should.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Not ever be in office again.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
And if I had a chance to put you out,
I'd do it right now right. It's similar to this
whole thing about all old people aren't created equal, all
young people are not created equal, with equal talents, equal
moral compass equal uh vision uh equal uh, philosophical development

(01:08:43):
around what you believe that you know. The presidential Remember
we talked a little while back about Gavin Newsom, and
I don't have any I don't know him well. I
think he helped with the fundraiser when I was running
for governor and we met uh a few times. But
my biggest issue is I feel like he's sort of

(01:09:04):
sort of rediscovering a new version of himself politically that
doesn't feel very connected to philosophical beliefs, but rather sort
of you know this whole brow thing, right, Like, I
don't get I don't know what it leads to. I
don't know why. I know that young white men are
being attracted to the Republican Party and lure to them,

(01:09:26):
and are lured by things like people who go to
the gym and who have muscles, and who have pretty
wives and girlfriends, and you know that kind of thing.
But is that what we're emulating? Like what is the derivative?
What does that lead to? Because when you're president of
the United States and you are quite virtually the most
powerful person in the world, I really don't want you

(01:09:46):
there figuring out whether or not your philosophical belief system
exist or whether you have to invent it based off
of either who's around you, the last person in the room,
or how good person looks. And I'm not assigning those
motives to him. I'm simply saying I don't really care
as much about the age as much as I care

(01:10:08):
about people being at home in themselves. Like I can
say no very clearly. I'm so much more clear, and
life has taught me some things that I didn't know
when I first got in. I wasn't bad as an elected.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
When I first got in.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
I was extremely I felt energetic and curious and innovative,
but also very pollyannish and am not always clear about
why somebody was in front of me, what they were
asking for, who was on the come up on the
other end. So I just think that there are things

(01:10:44):
that season you over time that ultimately will yield a
better product for the people who put you there on
their behalfs. So develop yourself first, develop your lifelosophical thinking
and belief system, Develop your own moral compass, Develop where

(01:11:05):
the red line to is that I will not go beyond,
and then we can talk about you running.

Speaker 8 (01:11:12):
And then don't be afraid to evolve while you're in
you should you know.

Speaker 6 (01:11:15):
You shouldn't it from somewhere You're right, I mean Andrews,
and Andrew, that last portion of that uh soliloquy was
just superb like it was. It was brilliant because I
echo that sentiment all the time about because people come
up to you that, like young people especially, I want
to run for office.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
I want to run for office.

Speaker 6 (01:11:35):
I'm like dog, spend some time with yourself, like figure out.
The other thing is we go into office broke, which
leads to a lot of other persons about that. I
mean that, you know, we we go into office thinking it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Could lead to a lot of our problems if the
money is the value and you haven't thought about how
you cover your Maslow's hierarchy of.

Speaker 7 (01:11:52):
Needs, and if you think that you might because my
joys can do things that y'all came in office, Let's be.

Speaker 8 (01:11:58):
Clear about that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:59):
And I do think that I do think that Andrew,
you and I and Angela to Angela as well are
somewhat to blame because a lot of people see running
for office as this kind of springboard to platforming themselves
on TV or other things.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Celebrity and you know the celebrity, the celebrity and politics thing.

Speaker 6 (01:12:21):
When I ran for office in two thousand and six,
much like when you ran for office first, that wasn't
a part of its celebrity and politics. Yeah, the celebrity
and politics didn't really come along until you have Barack Obama,
when people beganify and you had that intersection of politics, culture, sport,
and entertainment. Right, that's when people were like, oh my god,
you can go out and I mean you got political
groupies now right. I mean it's just a fascinating type

(01:12:42):
of of of a profession and it should.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Be oh, of course, because you are the angel right
the but but Caari building off that, I just wanted
to say.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Go to commercial after that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
No, no, no, I was just you're the thing that happens.
I should to drop the mic.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Sorry she felt anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
But but is that there are those who we know
are in the field who make it look easy, that
that the way you experienced them, it seems so effortless.
You actually convince yourself that there is no effort, that
that that there's nothing that came before that amazing experience

(01:13:23):
that you had with them. That you also feel like
you can replicate like, oh, I think I can do that, right,
But you know what there is more what what was that?

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
This uld to be this commercial? Uh? And Alicia Key said,
my overnight success has been decades in the making. So
we see the highlight reel and think, oh, well, you
know if I get getting that, and then I'm no,
this has been building, this has been happening, this has
been coming the whole hour. We're the same age, and

(01:13:55):
I want to want and be what did what have
you done? What has made you ready for the moment?
And that doesn't mean you had to have been elected before,
but you bet I'd be able to tell me something
about something that gives you the siffing spine that this
is the work that you should be doing for others.
Otherwise you should definitely go in intern for the person
who is holding the seat that you think belonged to

(01:14:19):
you or some other thing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
But I think there is an impression sometimes that there
are those who make the thing look sort of effortless,
that people think you can get it and then be
effortless as well, And that just means unprepared, not ready
for the moment. You're call flat footed at the first crisis,
so on and so forth. So no, the Overnight story

(01:14:42):
has been decades in the making.

Speaker 7 (01:14:44):
I want to just point out that you always make
everything look so effortless. And for another one who makes
things look effortless, Don who joined us today, he had
to step out because he got legal stuff to deal
with thanks to your crazy administration.

Speaker 8 (01:14:57):
But we're going to effortlessly. Now go to our CTAs
where Don will rejoin us.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Nobody knows.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
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(01:15:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
I don't know about you, Bacar. You kind of a hybrid,
so I'm halfway proud of you. I'm kidding you know.
I'm very proud of you to.

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I was about to say, give them your second.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
I love you guys, and you I'm sure you love me,
but you want people to vote for you, right, and
I want people to vote for me.

Speaker 7 (01:16:24):
So but if you win in the tape, it'll be
for our page. But yes, keep going. You can vote
for him another three categories.

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
Before I hop into my CTA's, I wanted to make
sure I made two very very quick announcements. The first
is that my sub stack is launching. It has launched.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Check it out.

Speaker 6 (01:16:40):
Shout out to my team, Brian Fitz, shout out to
Jerry Loho. It has written material for me. You can
find everything from seeing in appearances, speaking in current speaking engagements,
Native lampod, all of those things. Oh and my second
announcement ties right into the Native lamp pod. Because every
other Monday beginning on January twenty sixth, we're gonna kick
off my solo pod, which is just going to be
a little bit of time I spend with you, kind

(01:17:01):
of live ish, I guess. I don't know talk to
the producers about that, but we'll be talking about sports, entertainment, politics, culture,
all the things that you want us to cover. And
I think that's important to note right before I get
into my call to action. My my call to action
is very simple. I always tell people, particularly young people,
that the most important currency in this country, in the
world that you have the then you should cultivate more

(01:17:22):
than money, is relationships. And my relationship with Don Lemon
has been something that has been amazing from a very
long period of time, from when Caputo called me boy
uh during the commercial break of the Don Lemon Show,
uh too, when he he was just like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Breathe that was Matt slap. I didn't mean computo match slap.
You're right, And do you know who is on show? Mark?

Speaker 6 (01:17:49):
I was thinking about the other I was thinking about
the other computo in my head, not Mark, but the
other one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
But it was Matt slap. But yeah, I know he was.
I know he was never on the show again. But
you you meant so much to us.

Speaker 6 (01:18:01):
And I don't think I think that, you know, for
a long period of time, for a long period of time,
you got uh somewhat deserving le an interesting reception from
black folks. But over the past, over the past decade,
it was the thing in Missouri for me. But over
the past decade, I don't think I wasn't lying. I

(01:18:23):
don't let me finished. I don't think that people realize
how much you have helped bring black voices onto TV.
Giving myself an opportunity, Angela Rian opportunity, Andrew gilliam an opportunity,
Simone Sander's an opportunity. Because the way it works is
the white folk at these networks they go to black
folk that they know and say, are they gonna be good?
Is it okay? And you put us on your show.

(01:18:45):
You let us have that freedom, You let us be
able to get our thoughts out. And so my call
to action is to say, build relationships, value relationships, and
also give people their flowers while they're living.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
And so thank you. Don I know you're getting up
there in age, so I just wanted to say thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:18:58):
It's some distressing well, Andrew, my call to action.

Speaker 7 (01:19:07):
As you all can probably imagine, my Seahawks are still
in the NFL playoffs and so I just want to
drop this song, real quick call to action to support
the Hawks.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
My born three one two three, and I'm not gonna have.

Speaker 8 (01:19:24):
A licensing issues. My friend dras song.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Oh okay, I about to say.

Speaker 8 (01:19:29):
To the dark side, boy my mentality.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Can we say mos we mean miss welcome to the
dark side. When you see that blue and green.

Speaker 14 (01:19:44):
No, it's my tie, depending every blade of grass when
we couldn't lie and seattle when it's ringing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
And we outside, yeah, we outside of everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Outside, whole shitty going up like a sun. Times you're hungry,
we can provide.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Some beef up front and pancakes from my own line.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
And Murphy is that?

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:20:04):
I got a big cat, but they allergic to the
beat on the West Coast sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
You do something.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Okay, that's enough, all right, Andrew?

Speaker 8 (01:20:13):
What's your call as you're such a hater just because
you don't have no.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
You we had the Carolina Panthers, right, we are all
lemon heads. I love it, you like it, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Mine is quick and easy. I just this weekend, of course,
spend the time with my kids, and one of them
asked me, Daddy, are we such and such and such,
And I said, well, I know I am, but you
will one day get to decide for yourself what you
are and what you believe, what you believe in, and

(01:20:54):
whether you support a thing or you don't. You know,
I just encourage you to, you know, really stay honest
with how you feel, and don't let your friends around you,
you know, try to tell you to believe or to
do a thing just because they're doing it. And I
guess what that reminded me of is just the the
significant importance of helping our children to very honestly think

(01:21:22):
for themselves. There are things, obviously at certain ages you
have to be directive about. And then I think there
are things and moments that just happen through the course
of your exchange with your kids at dinner or in
the day, over the weekends, at night, whatever that might
cause us to possibly, instead of taking the parent assertive,

(01:21:42):
this is the this, and this is that to coach
them through ways to sort of think and develop for
themselves some critical thinking skills that you know, I think
might be the best gift that we can give to
our children is in this world where everybody seems like
sheep following one, you know, the leader, because it's the leader.

(01:22:03):
We need some people who are willing to say, well,
that's not what I think, that's not what I believe, uh,
and to feel comfortable in doing that without going along
to get along.

Speaker 8 (01:22:14):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
That's it, y'all. So you've got our directives, our admonishments,
our assignments. If you will, we want to put an
assignment out for you, which is keep those videos, questions,
comments thoughts coming our direction, because if I'm not mistaken, y'all,
we're gonna be talking on our mini pod about questions

(01:22:37):
that we've gotten over the last couple of weeks that
we haven't gotten to and we want to make sure
we get to those. So stay tuned for that. Don
As always, it's always been a pleasure because we've always
been on your platforms coming and you know you asking
all the questions, and I thought you were doing that
a little bit here, like, well, let me get to
the substance of that in the what what makes you
feel this way? I felt that because you're a journalist

(01:22:59):
and truth that at heart and you do a damn
good job at it. We're so fortunate to have you
with us on nail lampid. I hope you enjoyed it,
because we enjoyed you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
I love being here. You guys know that you are
my brothers and sisters. Angela you you know how I
feel about you. Bacari, Come on, I love your wife
more than Ellen is mine. That most people most people do,
but I do have to say that I really do
miss you, Andrew, and I still have one. I don't
know if you ever if you remember this, just to
show how kind you are. We were sitting on the

(01:23:30):
set in Washington, DC covering something, some craziness that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
It's probably a Trump thing, I don't know. And you
had on this beautiful bracelet and I said, man, I
really liked that bracelet. What is it? And you said
that it was bullets? Do you remember that?

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
And you gave me that bracelet and I do still
have it to hollowed out bullets, and I still have
that and I will never That just showed me just
what a generous heart that you have.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
And so he had two of them. I said, I
like it, and you're like, you can have it and
I was like, thank you. He got him for free.
He had two of them, so.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Bullocks for life. Check it out in Miami. Uh, and
you'll learn all about it. Don I do remember that,
I remember it well. We asked some other conversations too.
We won't just mention those here though. No.

Speaker 7 (01:24:14):
Well, I am so grateful that you came on, Don,
and we are, you know, rooting for you absolutely and
Bakari and I'm signing him up even though he can
be a little greedy. We are here as pro bono
council for you if you need support on this non.

Speaker 6 (01:24:27):
Already I already called him. I don't know what pro
bono means, but I already called him.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
He said, you know, I got you, and I said
pro bono and he goes, what language is that? I'm glad?

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Oh lord, I thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Continued success. Okay, welcome home, welcome home, come home, Thank you,
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
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