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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Advice shooters.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's nice level level love and love love love love.
Welcome to the naughty Banna Sham your house, Rob Shooter.
And it's Wednesday, which means I do friend Donny meets
some joint says, hey, Donny, are you there?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Level level love Wednesday? Wednesday, Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh we You know it's.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So hard though, because grinning okay, first five nineties do
not yell at me. I know it's very hard to
complain about weather when I live in that way. But
it's been so gloomy the best couple of days. It's
people don't realize it, like a seasonal depression or like
the weather which affect your mood.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh absolutely. I lived in Scotland for four years and
we didn't see the sun for four years, and I
was actually almost quite for four years. But I didn't
realize it until I lived in a sunny country. So
when I lived in and it was always grey, so
I just was always like, oh this is the weather.
When I moved to New York, we have some lovely days,
like the sunny showy today I went for I was
(01:08):
beautiful and I've got used to it. And I went
back home at Christmas Britain in December. Oh it's Grid
and I felt a little depressed. It is real. Bruce
suffers from it too, seasonal depression, the weather. I'm gonna
send you a sun lamp to put above your desk,
and when you do the Naughty but Nice podcast you
can turn it on. Nothing else, just for twenty minutes
(01:28):
a week, or twenty minutes a week, say the ball.
You can be happy. Okay, let's jump into the show
one time? Is it my friends in? Is d time?
This is not a happy story, a bad story coming
out of London. So Buckingham Palace is allegedly concealed evidence
against the disgraced Prince Andrew for maybe as long as
six years. So bucking And Palaces is facing explosive accusations
(01:51):
over its handling of evidence linked to the former Prince Andrew.
According to a new report, Palace officials received thousand of
emails back in twenty twenty alleging that Andrew had shared
confidential government information while serving as a trade envoy. So,
(02:11):
if you remember his mom, the Queen got in this job.
He was not qualified. Everybody in Whitehall, which is really
the government in Britain, they knew. They knew that, but
he was the Queen's favorite son and he needed a job,
so they made him a trade envoy. He knew nothing
about trade. He only wanted to go to the countries
he wanted to go to, and so he got this
purely because of his mom mate. And at the time,
(02:32):
allegedly there were a lot of emails saying this. The
Queen was warned, Many people were warned, but nobody could
do anything because they were frightened of upsetting the queen. Now,
as you know, anyone that listens to this show, anyone
that knows me knows I'm a huge fan of Queen Elizabeth's.
But there might have been a problem here. Let's be honest.
(02:54):
I'm pretty sure there was nepotism. Giving somebody a job
that they are not qualified for just because they're related
to somebody important. It never works out. And Andrew's a
bad man. Whether or not he's guilty of this, we
will find out, but we all know at this point
he's not a good man. He's not somebody that you
would be proud of to have as your son. The
(03:14):
Queen did not know that. You know, sometimes a mother's love,
a friend's love, can be blind Donnie, I won't have
a word said about you, and everyone's told me you're
a stinker, and just saying you can be blinded by love.
I'm not excusing it, but I fear here, donnay that
the Palace has a lot to answer for. What do
you think?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, yes, I agree, and I think that you said
it right. The Palace has a lot to answer for
because here's the thing. The President will go with the
Queen and the.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
President, you know, the things similar.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
The similar thing, but they're you know, there's status a
lot of the time does in name only. There are
twenty thirty forty fifty people who do all the decision
making for them in the day to day of things
that they are left out of. And I doubt every
day that Queen Elizabeth was on her iPhone looking at
(04:08):
her Gmail going oh, there's a little email about Prince Andrew.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I doubt she was even notified the little trivial good
And I hate to use the word trivial, but in
the grand scheme of things, that is considered trivial.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Smaller, smaller, let's say, a smaller email. Yeah, I understand
what you're saying. Here. If you run a big company
or even a small company like me, the things that
land on my desk are the most problematic. If a
problem can be solved before it gets to me, it's solved.
They are only problems that come to me are the
ones that cannot be solved. People, I have a team
of people who do a ton of work. Thank you
(04:45):
very much. I love you. Deally, you will and you're right,
you're right, and you're right. A lot of the day
to day stuff I don't see, not because I don't
want to see it, but it's just not brought to
my attention. The Queen's the top of a massive company here.
We think of it as family, but we shouldn't think
of the Royal Palace, think of Bookingham Palace. Think of
the royal family as a company. And she's the head
(05:06):
of the company. She's the CEO, she's the boss of it.
In the same way that I think Mark Zuckerberg doesn't
know every detail about Facebook or doesn't know it, he
knows the really big stuff. I would argue that that
this is this is big stuff now. It feels like
big stuff now because we know the whole story. But
you're right, Donny six years ago, a guy who had
(05:27):
a job that shouldn't have had a job. That was
really the criticism. This wasn't people saying they had been
raped or sexually abused by Andrew, and so maybe there
is some cover here. Although I am a believer. If
your name is on that desk, if your name is
it's your Yeah, you do, you do. That's why you
(05:47):
have to surround yourself with really good people like I have,
apart from one for one little shady one that I
can't get rid of. But nevertheless, you've got to surround
yourself with really good people, which brings us to our
whole question after the day, but Kingham Palace may have
concealed evidence against the former Prince Andrew for six yes,
(06:09):
did the Queen know what? Did the queen know? Did
the late Queen know? Hey? Your vote on Twitter page
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It makes me smile, so it's going to go with
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(06:32):
and be sure to check back to my rower to
hear your results. Hey, Donny, what are you working on?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, you know, the old saying is you're not supposed
to speak ill love the dead. It is you know
some people go well, director Adam Marcus is not, you know,
abiding by that role. He is calling Val Kilmer the
worst human One year after the actor did so. Marcus
(06:58):
he directed the you know top Gun, you know that
old little you know, that big eat video indie film
called hun and he's basically saying that Falcilmer was the
worst person on the planet. He's a horrible human being.
And he having no problems coming out saying this.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Look, I do believe that if you are a terrible
human being, do you all of a sudden because you're dead,
does that like do away with everything that you did know?
But it makes you wonder, why are you waiting a
year for this to now come out? Or you you
didn't want to say anything then because he could defend himself.
(07:38):
That's the only problem I have with people saying things
about somebody when they're dead is they're not there to
defend themselves at all, Right.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Right along, right, right right. It's a complicated one. We
know from working in this business. We've had the rarest
human beings. Was not a table person to work with.
I'm being gentle. It's a tricky person. That's a co
wordy with celebrity journalism. He was a tricky person. We
know this. We've heard the rumors enough people have said it.
(08:06):
The question is, is saying it now that he's dead
really awful or is it part of a longer conversation
about the complicated legacy of the actor. I think we
should look at things in a holistic way. I do.
I think that they can be good and bad in
the same person. That's what makes human beings so interesting.
(08:27):
No Marty with the exception of being or one hundred
percent good, and no Buddy with the exception of Donna
or one hundred percent bad. We're all somewhere in the
middle and Welkim. Unfortunately, it seems from what the reports
I've heard, the pendulum swung towards the naughty. He was
not that nice. The question is should we be talking
(08:48):
about it. I'm going to stick my neck out and
say yes, I think we should. We can do it
in a really dignified, kind, nice manner. But pretending stuff
didn't exist, tending people didn't do something doesn't make it
go away. We can say he was an incredible actor.
He made some great movies. He had a horrible struggle
(09:09):
with his health, and it's war for what happened to
him along the way. He was not the easiest to
work with. There, that's a nice way of saying it.
And you all know exactly what I mean. Do you think, Donnie,
that we should just say it? Do you think that
we should sugarcoat it a little bit? I like a
spoonful of sugar? What about you?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I mean, it does make you know, the medicine go
down a little easier.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But I also.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Am if somebody though, if you know somebody's tricky and
yet everyone around them is sugarcoating it, the person's going
to remain tricky because.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
We did never change responsible. Yeah, he never changed. That's interesting.
Why are we doing this? Are we doing this to
change behavior which we can't because he's no longer us?
Are we doing this to make to paint a full picture?
And so that's a really good point. Why white, hellutle,
why reveal it? I think we should Okay, moving along,
(10:07):
Cramo Brown, I think I'm pronouncing that right. He's one
of the queer eyes who've got his own shirt. He's
really revealing the final struggle that led to the Queer
Eye fallout. So if you remember, there was a rumor
that he caught the cast talking about him, and it
gets worse. He was with his mom, Oh, that's embarrassing.
So he said his mom did overhear these horrible comments too,
(10:29):
and he said that it devastated her, And that really
did become the final story in a relationship that was
already deteriorating for years. There was a lot of real,
real competition between these guys. They all wanted to be
the start. They'd seen what happened to the first Queer Eye.
Carson Cressley went on to be the breakout star, and
we do not really know about the other ones, and
so they did not want that to happen to them.
(10:50):
He did go on to say that he felt depressed
and isolated and unwelcome during filming. Now, my sources have
pushback and said he was a problem, to which he
does admit. He does say that he was not blameless
and acknowledges there there was times when he was very
emotional and that contributed to the conflict. It makes me
sad here, but it's not that unusual. A lot of
(11:12):
TV shows, even shows that are still on the air now,
they all pretend to be best friends. You've done it,
like the radio show has done it. You've done it
on TV shows. It's part of acting. It's part of
the job. It's part of making the listener of the
viewer want to believe that you are a family. And
in most cases I've worked on different shows, different ready shows,
(11:34):
it's not the case. What do you think what swee?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
You put five or six a game in in a
room together, petty. That is the name of the game, petty.
But you have to here's the thing, the whole queer
eye cast. I feel like the problem is with a
lot of these things is the show got so big
so fast that the reality is is that does go
(11:59):
to Bee's head? You become this huge star. Now you
think about it. Now you don't really hear about any
of them except for the negativity. There's also a lot
of there's a lot of insiders and I know personal
people who have said Jonathan van Ness is also a
little tricky.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Tricky.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It's a little tricky. And the thing is, though they're
lucky because if that was my mom on set, who
overheard she would have burnt the whole.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Set down swinging because and that's so they're lucky that
it didn't go farther than it did. Why I imagine.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Being the one person who granted the rest of them
insiders and didn't really get along either. But it's easier
to find an ally with someone who you're against if
you're both against the same person.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yes, you have the same enemy, and then you become friends.
So they all had as an enemy hit. You did
say this show did explode. We are so lucky, Donny,
that we've never been on a hit. So lucky. Everything
we've done has been sort of the road, middle of
the road. Can you imagine if this show exploded, would
fall out of me? That's the side of a hit
(13:16):
where the cast is fighting. It never happens on the flops.
It's a hit show. Okay, quickly, before we get a break,
Jimmy Kimmel is shedding some light on his own exit
plans from Late Night. What does he have to say?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
He is saying, Look, so everybody is now because remember
we are Remember Jimmy was you know.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
He was suspended for a.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And ever since then, I can imagine that his relationship
with ABT and Disney is a tricky that's the word
of the day. There's a lot of talk about him
also leaving Late Night TV, and especially after Stephen Colbert
was canceled, and he has personally gone on the attack
(13:59):
again CBS saying basic because the rumor is now is
that Late Night's dying, and Jimmy and them are like, no, no,
no, no no, you just don't want to pay the money anymore.
That's which is a business decision. But Jimmy is saying
he felt defeated since Stephen got you know, but also
he wants to leave responsibly because he doesn't want to
(14:19):
put his team out of work.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
That's very nice.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
If we know anything, that means he will not be
reseigning his contract. That means he's already thought about.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It's sort about twenty twenty seven. Twenty seven twenty contract expires.
I've done stories saying he's not renewing that contract and
he'll tell his team really soon, so they have a
year to find another trend, which I think is a
very kind thing to do. But I don't think he's
going to continue with the show after the contract and
TV is changing. We're seeing that at sixty minutes, we're
(14:48):
seeing that, and we can all blame it on management
or people taking over who are in experience. Even without
these people coming along, even without the political influences, T
is changing, and nobody wants to acknowledge it. Nobody wanted
to acknowledge magazines. We're changing, and look at the mess
that they are in. They've got to get ahead of this.
It is streaming, it is online, it is YouTube. We've
(15:11):
had to change, and TV has to change to. Okay,
we're going to take a quick break and it will
be right back. Have you met Nudibnaia and your hair
shoot with her dear friend Donny Meecham, Hey, Donnie, let's
get to the polls. So extra so extra so. Jennifer Lopez,
(15:31):
we revealed this on our last show, supports a child
but doesn't want to tell their story. I think we
know what we're talking about here. We've we've been very
gentle about this subject for literally months. We know what's
happening with one of Jen's kids. They are now becoming
more and more open about it, changing their name, changing
their pronouns. Jennifer hasn't commented on it. Is this the
(15:51):
right move? Or the wrong move where the right move.
Eighty four percent said it is the right move. I
think she's handled it really beautifully. Yeah, Race, Grace, Grace, Hey,
don't forget to vote on today's Paul will go to
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at Facebook page is naughty gossip. I'm sure to check
(16:12):
out tomorrow hour to hear your results and my live
a bit of love. It's time for the nicest of
the day.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I do want to know we are in the two
we come. Our parents had to accept our differences as well.
We just because she is not speaking out about it,
I want to reiterate, does not mean she doesn't support them.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yes, yes, yes, just want to thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Parents don't have to go out and tell their kids
to tell them that they love them and support them.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Leave it. Thank you. Yep.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Kendall Jinn, Jacob Lordie a lot of romance for a
Roman you imagine to do it like I want some ramen.
Let's see what was open late down the street. Let's
see it was over to Tokyo.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Imagine having that kind of.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Imagine could you have that sheet?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
It's sweet, ridiculous and rich. I love it. I'm jealous. Well,
they're in Tokyo and the only reason we know about
it is the restaurant they popped into took a picture
of them that we know. I like it, god less. YEA.
Love is love is love is loving. You two are
love and that love is Roman. That's kind of that's
(17:33):
that's actually a good title for a book. And is
the day Blake Liveliest dragged just In belt Only back
into court. Weeks after the lawsuit settlement. I want to
tell you what the story is, but I don't even
care about the story.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
What I care about is Blake, Blake Blague.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Let me just feel everybody about technically what's happening, which
I don't really care about. Again, I just Blague. So
weeks after the settlement, I just ordered the ends with
us CO stars back into court to address damages connecting
to Baldone is dismissed four hundred million dollar before mention
lawsuit that he brought against her after she brought a
(18:11):
lawsuit against him. So she wants damages. She doesn't just
want damage, if she wants triple damages, punitive damages. I
don't know quite what that all means, but it sounds
very hundred Blake, he doesn't have a black I'm so
sick of this story and naughtyoust of the day. Let's
end with Blake a moment of rum, get a rag,
(18:34):
Thank you, darling. Happiness isn't having at all, it's appreciating
what you have. Many people spend their live chasing the
next achievement. I used to do that, chasing the next purchase.
Or I used to always think I'd be happier if
I had more shoes or the next milestone. Believing their
happiness it waited on the other side of that rainbower.
But true happiness doesn't come from having anything. It comes
(18:56):
from recognizing the value of what you already have in
your life. Gratude shifts your focus from what's missing to
what's present. If I looked at my life today, I
could moan a little bit about, Oh I'm disappointed about this,
or I wish I've got that. If you'd asked me
twenty years ago, would I like to lift this life?
I wouldn't have believed that I could live this life
to pay my bill. Sitting in a closet with Donnie
(19:17):
and podcasting, I mean, it's still sick, so I should
work in a shop that's what all my friends are doing.
And so I try to have gratitude all the time.
And once again, I don't look at what I don't have.
I look at what I do, and my piece of
the pie is just great. And I would argue yours
is to buddy think Donnie, gratitude you're that you struggle
with it.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I do sometimes struggle with it because it's hard. There's
a lot of times where you're like, oh, I'm overwhelmed
by the negativity and the stuff going on around me
that it's sometimes hard to see through. Very what good
things you have? Very were a lot of times where
I sit around and I go, I'm in my own
one vegroom apartment.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yes, paying your bills and your friends with robture today
want would you want? Hey? That is it for today?
Thank you so much for listening. So they're not even
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(20:16):
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(20:37):
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Advice shooters.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's nice level level love and love love love love.
Welcome to the naughty Banna Sham your house, Rob Shooter.
And it's Wednesday, which means I do friend Donny meets
some joint says, hey, Donny, are you there?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Level level love Wednesday? Wednesday, Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh we You know it's.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So hard though, because grinning okay, first five nineties do
not yell at me. I know it's very hard to
complain about weather when I live in that way. But
it's been so gloomy the best couple of days. It's
people don't realize it, like a seasonal depression or like
the weather which affect your mood.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh absolutely. I lived in Scotland for four years and
we didn't see the sun for four years, and I
was actually almost quite for four years. But I didn't
realize it until I lived in a sunny country. So
when I lived in and it was always grey, so
I just was always like, oh this is the weather.
When I moved to New York, we have some lovely days,
like the sunny showy today I went for I was
(01:08):
beautiful and I've got used to it. And I went
back home at Christmas Britain in December. Oh it's Grid
and I felt a little depressed. It is real. Bruce
suffers from it too, seasonal depression, the weather. I'm gonna
send you a sun lamp to put above your desk,
and when you do the Naughty but Nice podcast you
can turn it on. Nothing else, just for twenty minutes
(01:28):
a week, or twenty minutes a week, say the ball.
You can be happy. Okay, let's jump into the show
one time? Is it my friends in? Is d time?
This is not a happy story, a bad story coming
out of London. So Buckingham Palace is allegedly concealed evidence
against the disgraced Prince Andrew for maybe as long as
six years. So bucking And Palaces is facing explosive accusations
(01:51):
over its handling of evidence linked to the former Prince Andrew.
According to a new report, Palace officials received thousand of
emails back in twenty twenty alleging that Andrew had shared
confidential government information while serving as a trade envoy. So,
(02:11):
if you remember his mom, the Queen got in this job.
He was not qualified. Everybody in Whitehall, which is really
the government in Britain, they knew. They knew that, but
he was the Queen's favorite son and he needed a job,
so they made him a trade envoy. He knew nothing
about trade. He only wanted to go to the countries
he wanted to go to, and so he got this
purely because of his mom mate. And at the time,
(02:32):
allegedly there were a lot of emails saying this. The
Queen was warned, Many people were warned, but nobody could
do anything because they were frightened of upsetting the queen. Now,
as you know, anyone that listens to this show, anyone
that knows me knows I'm a huge fan of Queen Elizabeth's.
But there might have been a problem here. Let's be honest.
(02:54):
I'm pretty sure there was nepotism. Giving somebody a job
that they are not qualified for just because they're related
to somebody important. It never works out. And Andrew's a
bad man. Whether or not he's guilty of this, we
will find out, but we all know at this point
he's not a good man. He's not somebody that you
would be proud of to have as your son. The
(03:14):
Queen did not know that. You know, sometimes a mother's love,
a friend's love, can be blind Donnie, I won't have
a word said about you, and everyone's told me you're
a stinker, and just saying you can be blinded by love.
I'm not excusing it, but I fear here, donnay that
the Palace has a lot to answer for. What do
you think?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, yes, I agree, and I think that you said
it right. The Palace has a lot to answer for
because here's the thing. The President will go with the
Queen and the.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
President, you know, the things similar.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
The similar thing, but they're you know, there's status a
lot of the time does in name only. There are
twenty thirty forty fifty people who do all the decision
making for them in the day to day of things
that they are left out of. And I doubt every
day that Queen Elizabeth was on her iPhone looking at
(04:08):
her Gmail going oh, there's a little email about Prince Andrew.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I doubt she was even notified the little trivial good
And I hate to use the word trivial, but in
the grand scheme of things, that is considered trivial.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Smaller, smaller, let's say, a smaller email. Yeah, I understand
what you're saying. Here. If you run a big company
or even a small company like me, the things that
land on my desk are the most problematic. If a
problem can be solved before it gets to me, it's solved.
They are only problems that come to me are the
ones that cannot be solved. People, I have a team
of people who do a ton of work. Thank you
(04:45):
very much. I love you. Deally, you will and you're right,
you're right, and you're right. A lot of the day
to day stuff I don't see, not because I don't
want to see it, but it's just not brought to
my attention. The Queen's the top of a massive company here.
We think of it as family, but we shouldn't think
of the Royal Palace, think of Bookingham Palace. Think of
the royal family as a company. And she's the head
(05:06):
of the company. She's the CEO, she's the boss of it.
In the same way that I think Mark Zuckerberg doesn't
know every detail about Facebook or doesn't know it, he
knows the really big stuff. I would argue that that
this is this is big stuff now. It feels like
big stuff now because we know the whole story. But
you're right, Donny six years ago, a guy who had
(05:27):
a job that shouldn't have had a job. That was
really the criticism. This wasn't people saying they had been
raped or sexually abused by Andrew, and so maybe there
is some cover here. Although I am a believer. If
your name is on that desk, if your name is
it's your Yeah, you do, you do. That's why you
(05:47):
have to surround yourself with really good people like I have,
apart from one for one little shady one that I
can't get rid of. But nevertheless, you've got to surround
yourself with really good people, which brings us to our
whole question after the day, but Kingham Palace may have
concealed evidence against the former Prince Andrew for six yes,
(06:09):
did the Queen know what? Did the queen know? Did
the late Queen know? Hey? Your vote on Twitter page
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and be sure to check back to my rower to
hear your results. Hey, Donny, what are you working on?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, you know, the old saying is you're not supposed
to speak ill love the dead. It is you know
some people go well, director Adam Marcus is not, you know,
abiding by that role. He is calling Val Kilmer the
worst human One year after the actor did so. Marcus
(06:58):
he directed the you know top Gun, you know that
old little you know, that big eat video indie film
called hun and he's basically saying that Falcilmer was the
worst person on the planet. He's a horrible human being.
And he having no problems coming out saying this.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Look, I do believe that if you are a terrible
human being, do you all of a sudden because you're dead,
does that like do away with everything that you did know?
But it makes you wonder, why are you waiting a
year for this to now come out? Or you you
didn't want to say anything then because he could defend himself.
(07:38):
That's the only problem I have with people saying things
about somebody when they're dead is they're not there to
defend themselves at all, Right.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Right along, right, right right. It's a complicated one. We
know from working in this business. We've had the rarest
human beings. Was not a table person to work with.
I'm being gentle. It's a tricky person. That's a co
wordy with celebrity journalism. He was a tricky person. We
know this. We've heard the rumors enough people have said it.
(08:06):
The question is, is saying it now that he's dead
really awful or is it part of a longer conversation
about the complicated legacy of the actor. I think we
should look at things in a holistic way. I do.
I think that they can be good and bad in
the same person. That's what makes human beings so interesting.
(08:27):
No Marty with the exception of being or one hundred
percent good, and no Buddy with the exception of Donna
or one hundred percent bad. We're all somewhere in the
middle and Welkim. Unfortunately, it seems from what the reports
I've heard, the pendulum swung towards the naughty. He was
not that nice. The question is should we be talking
(08:48):
about it. I'm going to stick my neck out and
say yes, I think we should. We can do it
in a really dignified, kind, nice manner. But pretending stuff
didn't exist, tending people didn't do something doesn't make it
go away. We can say he was an incredible actor.
He made some great movies. He had a horrible struggle
(09:09):
with his health, and it's war for what happened to
him along the way. He was not the easiest to
work with. There, that's a nice way of saying it.
And you all know exactly what I mean. Do you think, Donnie,
that we should just say it? Do you think that
we should sugarcoat it a little bit? I like a
spoonful of sugar? What about you?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I mean, it does make you know, the medicine go
down a little easier.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But I also.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Am if somebody though, if you know somebody's tricky and
yet everyone around them is sugarcoating it, the person's going
to remain tricky because.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
We did never change responsible. Yeah, he never changed. That's interesting.
Why are we doing this? Are we doing this to
change behavior which we can't because he's no longer us?
Are we doing this to make to paint a full picture?
And so that's a really good point. Why white, hellutle,
why reveal it? I think we should Okay, moving along,
(10:07):
Cramo Brown, I think I'm pronouncing that right. He's one
of the queer eyes who've got his own shirt. He's
really revealing the final struggle that led to the Queer
Eye fallout. So if you remember, there was a rumor
that he caught the cast talking about him, and it
gets worse. He was with his mom, Oh, that's embarrassing.
So he said his mom did overhear these horrible comments too,
(10:29):
and he said that it devastated her, And that really
did become the final story in a relationship that was
already deteriorating for years. There was a lot of real,
real competition between these guys. They all wanted to be
the start. They'd seen what happened to the first Queer Eye.
Carson Cressley went on to be the breakout star, and
we do not really know about the other ones, and
so they did not want that to happen to them.
(10:50):
He did go on to say that he felt depressed
and isolated and unwelcome during filming. Now, my sources have
pushback and said he was a problem, to which he
does admit. He does say that he was not blameless
and acknowledges there there was times when he was very
emotional and that contributed to the conflict. It makes me
sad here, but it's not that unusual. A lot of
(11:12):
TV shows, even shows that are still on the air now,
they all pretend to be best friends. You've done it,
like the radio show has done it. You've done it
on TV shows. It's part of acting. It's part of
the job. It's part of making the listener of the
viewer want to believe that you are a family. And
in most cases I've worked on different shows, different ready shows,
(11:34):
it's not the case. What do you think what swee?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
You put five or six a game in in a
room together, petty. That is the name of the game, petty.
But you have to here's the thing, the whole queer
eye cast. I feel like the problem is with a
lot of these things is the show got so big
so fast that the reality is is that does go
(11:59):
to Bee's head? You become this huge star. Now you
think about it. Now you don't really hear about any
of them except for the negativity. There's also a lot
of there's a lot of insiders and I know personal
people who have said Jonathan van Ness is also a
little tricky.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Tricky.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It's a little tricky. And the thing is, though they're
lucky because if that was my mom on set, who
overheard she would have burnt the whole.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Set down swinging because and that's so they're lucky that
it didn't go farther than it did. Why I imagine.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Being the one person who granted the rest of them
insiders and didn't really get along either. But it's easier
to find an ally with someone who you're against if
you're both against the same person.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yes, you have the same enemy, and then you become friends.
So they all had as an enemy hit. You did
say this show did explode. We are so lucky, Donny,
that we've never been on a hit. So lucky. Everything
we've done has been sort of the road, middle of
the road. Can you imagine if this show exploded, would
fall out of me? That's the side of a hit
(13:16):
where the cast is fighting. It never happens on the flops.
It's a hit show. Okay, quickly, before we get a break,
Jimmy Kimmel is shedding some light on his own exit
plans from Late Night. What does he have to say?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
He is saying, Look, so everybody is now because remember
we are Remember Jimmy was you know.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
He was suspended for a.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And ever since then, I can imagine that his relationship
with ABT and Disney is a tricky that's the word
of the day. There's a lot of talk about him
also leaving Late Night TV, and especially after Stephen Colbert
was canceled, and he has personally gone on the attack
(13:59):
again CBS saying basic because the rumor is now is
that Late Night's dying, and Jimmy and them are like, no, no,
no, no no, you just don't want to pay the money anymore.
That's which is a business decision. But Jimmy is saying
he felt defeated since Stephen got you know, but also
he wants to leave responsibly because he doesn't want to
(14:19):
put his team out of work.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
That's very nice.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
If we know anything, that means he will not be
reseigning his contract. That means he's already thought about.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It's sort about twenty twenty seven. Twenty seven twenty contract expires.
I've done stories saying he's not renewing that contract and
he'll tell his team really soon, so they have a
year to find another trend, which I think is a
very kind thing to do. But I don't think he's
going to continue with the show after the contract and
TV is changing. We're seeing that at sixty minutes, we're
(14:48):
seeing that, and we can all blame it on management
or people taking over who are in experience. Even without
these people coming along, even without the political influences, T
is changing, and nobody wants to acknowledge it. Nobody wanted
to acknowledge magazines. We're changing, and look at the mess
that they are in. They've got to get ahead of this.
It is streaming, it is online, it is YouTube. We've
(15:11):
had to change, and TV has to change to. Okay,
we're going to take a quick break and it will
be right back. Have you met Nudibnaia and your hair
shoot with her dear friend Donny Meecham, Hey, Donnie, let's
get to the polls. So extra so extra so. Jennifer Lopez,
(15:31):
we revealed this on our last show, supports a child
but doesn't want to tell their story. I think we
know what we're talking about here. We've we've been very
gentle about this subject for literally months. We know what's
happening with one of Jen's kids. They are now becoming
more and more open about it, changing their name, changing
their pronouns. Jennifer hasn't commented on it. Is this the
(15:51):
right move? Or the wrong move where the right move.
Eighty four percent said it is the right move. I
think she's handled it really beautifully. Yeah, Race, Grace, Grace, Hey,
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(16:12):
out tomorrow hour to hear your results and my live
a bit of love. It's time for the nicest of
the day.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I do want to know we are in the two
we come. Our parents had to accept our differences as well.
We just because she is not speaking out about it,
I want to reiterate, does not mean she doesn't support them.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yes, yes, yes, just want to thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Parents don't have to go out and tell their kids
to tell them that they love them and support them.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Leave it. Thank you. Yep.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Kendall Jinn, Jacob Lordie a lot of romance for a
Roman you imagine to do it like I want some ramen.
Let's see what was open late down the street. Let's
see it was over to Tokyo.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Imagine having that kind of.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Imagine could you have that sheet?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
It's sweet, ridiculous and rich. I love it. I'm jealous. Well,
they're in Tokyo and the only reason we know about
it is the restaurant they popped into took a picture
of them that we know. I like it, god less. YEA.
Love is love is love is loving. You two are
love and that love is Roman. That's kind of that's
(17:33):
that's actually a good title for a book. And is
the day Blake Liveliest dragged just In belt Only back
into court. Weeks after the lawsuit settlement. I want to
tell you what the story is, but I don't even
care about the story.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
What I care about is Blake, Blake Blague.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Let me just feel everybody about technically what's happening, which
I don't really care about. Again, I just Blague. So
weeks after the settlement, I just ordered the ends with
us CO stars back into court to address damages connecting
to Baldone is dismissed four hundred million dollar before mention
lawsuit that he brought against her after she brought a
(18:11):
lawsuit against him. So she wants damages. She doesn't just
want damage, if she wants triple damages, punitive damages. I
don't know quite what that all means, but it sounds
very hundred Blake, he doesn't have a black I'm so
sick of this story and naughtyoust of the day. Let's
end with Blake a moment of rum, get a rag,
(18:34):
Thank you, darling. Happiness isn't having at all, it's appreciating
what you have. Many people spend their live chasing the
next achievement. I used to do that, chasing the next purchase.
Or I used to always think I'd be happier if
I had more shoes or the next milestone. Believing their
happiness it waited on the other side of that rainbower.
But true happiness doesn't come from having anything. It comes
(18:56):
from recognizing the value of what you already have in
your life. Gratude shifts your focus from what's missing to
what's present. If I looked at my life today, I
could moan a little bit about, Oh I'm disappointed about this,
or I wish I've got that. If you'd asked me
twenty years ago, would I like to lift this life?
I wouldn't have believed that I could live this life
to pay my bill. Sitting in a closet with Donnie
(19:17):
and podcasting, I mean, it's still sick, so I should
work in a shop that's what all my friends are doing.
And so I try to have gratitude all the time.
And once again, I don't look at what I don't have.
I look at what I do, and my piece of
the pie is just great. And I would argue yours
is to buddy think Donnie, gratitude you're that you struggle
with it.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I do sometimes struggle with it because it's hard. There's
a lot of times where you're like, oh, I'm overwhelmed
by the negativity and the stuff going on around me
that it's sometimes hard to see through. Very what good
things you have? Very were a lot of times where
I sit around and I go, I'm in my own
one vegroom apartment.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yes, paying your bills and your friends with robture today
want would you want? Hey? That is it for today?
Thank you so much for listening. So they're not even
nice with Rob and Donnie show production. Have I heart
plead you and Elvis durand don't forget to follow me
on substack, Donna you follow me on substack, sust Thank
you very much substack dot com. And also did you
(20:16):
buy my book Donnie? It started with a whisper. Thank
you very much. It's started with I don't care about that.
I just won't you have money buying my book. If
you have a book, please, I'm on that second phrase now.
It did very well in the beginning and now it's
dropping off, and I want to just have that extra
little bud push going into Beach Reads. And remember, if
(20:37):
you're going to be naughty, you're gonna be let me
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