November 25, 2025 • 27 mins
New Orleans Pelicans TV Sideline Reporter/Host Andrew Lopez joins Jim Eichenhofer and Gus Kattengell on the Pelicans Podcast for Tuesday, Nov. 25, 2025, to recap the Pelicans' recent games and break down the Pelicans roster moving forward with Jame Borrego at the helm.
Later, Jim shares his player of the week, player to watch, and the trending numbers that will shape this week’s matchups on the Pelicans schedule.
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Hello everyone, and welcome to the New Orleans Pelicans
Podcast. I'm Gus Cotton Gel.
While with Mr. Jim, I can offer New Orleans pelicans.com and Mr.
Andrew Lopez, television sideline reporter for your New
Orleans Pelicans gentlemen another week as it is
Thanksgiving week. And we always give thanks to
just the fact that we can do this and talk a little
basketball, right? I would start there, Jim.
Yeah, man, I mean, nobody has a better job.
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Maybe, maybe the players do, Butyeah, no, I'm very thankful for
the opportunity to work in the NBA, cover A-Team all season.
I know we wish things were goinga little bit better, but I mean,
yeah, you can't complain too much, I think.
At the end of the day, we get paid to watch basketball.
Game exactly right. I mean, yeah, like Jim said, it
doesn't doesn't get any better than that, no.
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Doubt. Now I know Andrew wouldn't mind
being thankful a little bit moresleep I it's going to come, it's
going to come sleep. But obviously eventually they do
grow up and, yeah, get a little older, so you're good.
The old newborn. General, let's start obviously
with what took place towards theend of the week as we lead into
this week. And that was a back-to-back set
of games for the Pelicans, Andrew at Dallas and then coming
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home and taking on a Atlanta Hawk team that had the SKC kind
of going with a lot of their fans here over the weekend as
the Falcons and Saints were playing.
But we. Don't have to talk about.
That when you look back at the day, he gave us a great
environment, right? We always love that talk about
that on the other podcast. I don't know when you look at
those two games, though, what what stood out to you starting
out in Dallas? Still, I, I want to say the
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first half in Dallas might have been the best half of basketball
they've played maybe all season at at at least definitely it
feels like under Borrego, there's so much like in that
first half. Unfortunately you go was it over
12 from three in the second-half, threes weren't
falling. And then unfortunately our, our
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our friend Naji Marshall hit hits a three there at the end,
But it it felt like the best half.
And then I, I think, and this isnot an excuse, but this is just
what it is. It's just the reality of the
situation. Saturday was the 5th game in
seven nights. You're playing on a
back-to-back. And not only are you playing on
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a back-to-back, it's a Road homeback-to-back.
It chose to travel back-to-back.And then Friday's game started
at 7:30. Saturday's game started at 6:00.
There was so much going on. And I think it it it looked to
me like a team while trying to figure out all of these
different things while trying tofigure out a new offense and
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some some new rotation pieces that it it it looked like it got
to him a little bit on Saturday and Atlanta with a night off in
New Orleans looked like the fresher team.
And so that that gauntlet is behind you that whole week,
which started off with as as as James, where you go put it,
three of the most unique scouts in the NBA in OK C or in in in
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player wise in Curry, Shay and Yokich.
And I, I, I think it just got there so excited about the day
off and, and kind of getting into Thanksgiving week where
the, the schedule kind of thins,thins out in terms of, of days,
although we do have another back-to-back this weekend.
Andrew covered Saturday. I don't think anyone to add
anything to that. I mean, to me, Friday was
another example. I think you could put the
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Clippers game in this bucket as well of you had so many good
individual performances and at the end of the night it kind of
goes away a little bit because you don't win the game.
So to me that was such a a missed opportunity.
I loved watching Derrick Queen play that night.
I mean, I know we're going to talk about him I'm sure a lot in
this show today, but I mean he was fantastic.
He had he's thrown behind the back passes on in transition I.
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Still don't. That was I was like, he's going
to lob it up to Trey, right? Like he's going to lob it up to
Trey right. And then he's he crosses the
line and I was like, he's not lobbing it up.
I was. That was ridiculous.
Yeah, I'm and some of the footwork he had, some of the
moves he had around the basket to finish.
I mean, it was just it was unbelievable.
There. There was probably a solid 2
minutes of highlights of just him, but it was just another
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case of it was frustrating because the story kind of gets
minimized a ton by the fact thatthey didn't win the game.
If they win the game, I feel like a lot of people around the
NBA are saying like what a what a performance by Derek Queen.
Cooper Flag played really well in that game as well.
I think it was his career high and scoring to that point.
But I think you could not biasedsay that Derek Queen was the
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best player on the floor in thatin that game.
So I mean, like I said, I go back to the Clippers game.
You had a fantastic Jordan Poolenight where he's making a bunch
of threes, but you lose the gameat the buzzer.
So and it's a late Friday game. And so I just felt like another
opportunity where you could get some positivity and some some
good buzz going around the team and it it doesn't happen because
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you lose by a point. You mentioned it a little bit
and we kind of talked about before we started recording here
as well. O for 12 in that second-half at
Dallas, the three-point shooting.
I can I can hear a graph in my ear right now.
It it's something we've brought up, I believe and almost feel in
every single either pre game halftime post game.
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When you look at the season so far, almost getting to 20 full
games. How do you view the issues
beyond the arc for? The palace, you know, it's, it's
something that I, I think a lot of.
The shots are there. Yeah, and I think a lot of fans
thought at first, as soon as yousaw James Verego takeover, you
just automatically assumed this team was going to shoot 3540
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threes a game. But he has spoken on it and I've
asked him about corner 3 specifically and then asked him
about the total number and he hemade two very good points.
He's like the the way that this roster is constructed doesn't
always allow for that at at times.
Speaking specifically of corner threes, he's like the best
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corner threes are when you can drive and then kick.
But if you're if you do have a anon shooting 5 in that big can
sit in that big, you know, ideally in the corner through
situation, you want that to get out to the corner, have somebody
collapse and then at that shots open.
If the big can just sit it, it kind of makes a little bit
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different, makes that pass harder.
You can't really get out there. And then he's like when you have
so many guys right now who are predominantly paint touch guys
and you have a Zion, a Derek Queen, even right now, Fierce,
fierce. Can you know, we've seen fierce
start games 2 for 2/3 for three,sometimes from three.
But a lot of what he does is is more predicated on getting to
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the hoop. I think in the Atlanta game, he
might have had his first thirteen shot attempts were were
were were twos, some of all, some of those in a lot of those
in the paint. But before he finally, I think
attempted A3 late there in the fourth quarter.
So it's it's it's adjusting. And I think some of this is the
team adjusting to what they wanton offense from James Origo.
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We've seen a little bit of uptake in the corner threes,
maybe not as much as he wants. I know at one point in that
Atlanta game, I think Atlanta had it was 17 corner threes to
three corner or seven corner threes to the PEL.
So some some tinkering is still going on with the offense.
And I think we'll we'll see maybe those numbers continue to
go up, but it's it's JB trying to figure out where to make sure
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the right pieces. Are yeah Andrew Fierce had
thirteen shots total against Atlanta.
He was only over one from three points I.
Think he was 12 then we're in the paint.
The last one was like 3 minutes left.
And I do think that it is mostlya personnel thing, not
necessarily the way that they'retrying to attack.
It's just players have tendencies and even the guys
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that have just come into the league, they play a certain way
and it's going to take a while to maybe, I don't know if this
is going to be a goal down the road, but eventually have fears
have more of a balance between how many threes he takes and how
much he tries to get into the paint as he gains more
confidence in his shot. I know that was he was kind of
an average 3 point shooter in college.
It wasn't like the thing that hewas known for.
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But I mean, to me, it's really Trey Murphy and Sadiq Bay.
And among the guys that are playing right now, they're the
ones that you say, OK, these arehigh volume 3 point shooters.
You're not surprised if they make 3 or 4 in a game.
Whereas most of the rest of the squad, it's kind of, you know,
that's not what they're known for.
And I mentioned Jordan Poole earlier.
I mean, he's another case of yougot to get him back in on the
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court if you want to help the volume as.
Well, I was going to say, I guarantee you as soon as Jordan
Poole comes back up, the three-point attempts per game
are going to go back up. Yeah.
So I mean, I think that's part of it, but there's no doubt.
I mean, Borrego has mentioned the math problem lately that
they've had a lot of games wherethey're just the other teams are
making more threes and taking many more.
I feel like this was more of a thing that we saw in the NBA or
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with the Pelicans specifically, like 810 years ago when other
teams started taking more threesand they kind of lagged in that
area. But yeah, it's definitely a
problem. That is something that they're
going to have to improve becauseyou don't want to give up 24 to
30 points a game just in that category that you have to make
up in other areas. Now with Zion playing, they're
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going to have an advantage in paint points on a lot of these
teams, but still, that's a huge gap.
No, I think I did, you know, nota mathematician by any means
whatsoever, but 51 of their total points that the Hawks had
were out from three pointers and57 were from 2 pointers.
That's almost half of your points coming.
And that's just, that's a battlethat man is going to be tough
to. Be and and JB has talked about
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that. He's talked about the math
equation, but but and he had a very good answer to this I think
post game the other night. Do you shoot threes just because
of the math equation, or do you shoot threes because they're
good shots? And I think that is the balance
that they're trying to find right now.
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Yeah, you can tell them, hey, goout and shoot 50 a game.
But if it doesn't work because they're all bad shots, OK, well,
you're going to go 2 for 20 on those extra threes anyway.
And that's 18 transition opportunities.
So I, I, I think it's, it's a balance of finding it, but where
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this team works, what works the best for this group?
And it has to be the guys that are comfortable doing it.
You can't go into a game and say, you know, Eve, Misi and
Zion, we need you to take 6 threes a game because we need to
get the team volume up and we don't want you to play in the
pain as much. It doesn't work.
So I mean, I think that's part of the the logic, you know that
he explained really well. You know, we've, we've already
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mentioned some of the changes that have happened with James
Borrego. Can we kind of discuss, I mean,
some of the things that he's changed, some of the things that
have been tweaks. I think overall, I mean, my
biggest kind of overall point since he's come in has been that
the, the team's been more competitive.
They haven't won a game yet in the first five that he's taken
over as we record this on Mondaymorning, but the the 30 point
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losses have gone away. What, what are some of the
things that you've seen so far that he's tweaked and he's tried
to change? Yeah, I think really.
I mean, I feel like the of thosefirst five that were sauce was
the Atlanta one that we have explained was the 5th and seven,
the back-to-back, etcetera. Except if there's a lot of
things that he's he's he's triedto do that just kind of change
the energy of the team, which I think is is key.
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He's kind of switched up shoot rounds.
He switched up practices, move practice courts from one
practice court to the other in the facility.
Just every little thing to try and get something out out of
these guys. And I think you've also seen a
obviously a a little bit of a new offense in in in what he's
trying to do. And I think kind of maybe why
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you've you've seen that kind of like you're you're trying to put
some new stuff in in the middle of the year.
And, and again, it's, it's just trying to change the energy when
you, when you whenever you have a situation like this, I think
in any sport, an interim coach coming in, that interim coach is
going to try to, you know, put his spin on things, bring a
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little bit different anything, especially when your team's
record is the way it is. And I think, I think that's what
we see JB doing. But it, it definitely felt like
a new energy. And again, it just it's a heck
of a way to have to start with with with what that schedule was
last week. So, but, but you can see him
kind of putting his imprint on things and, and, and trying to
make things just a little bit better.
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Are we seeing a little bit more?This is not a 48 minute thing.
I hope it will be eventually or close to 48 minutes.
I feel like we're seeing a little bit more aggressiveness
on defense too. We're seeing some stretches
where they're hounding the the ball handler.
They're playing full court press.
They're some of the the spans ofsay 1/4 or 5-6 minutes of a game
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where it feels like low energy. It feels like they're kind of
chipping away at that. What would would you agree with
that in terms of the the strategy and the defense, at
least in in segments I? Want to say that probably
started Denver feel like that was second-half Denver and I
think that was that was his postgame thing was you know he says
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you know I wish we would have done that earlier.
I wish I, I, I would have done that and I'll, I'll say this and
this is not a he does something good.
Willie did something bad argument.
But I think what Willie would doand and when Willie would make
adjustments or, or feel like something happened, he would
keep that to his coaching staff and they would make those
adjustments. I think Borrego is a little bit
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more forthcoming in some of his press conferences.
Again, not good, not bad. It this that's just how he is.
And so you hear him admit mistakes a little bit more, but
only because that's that he justwe've seen it.
He likes to talk in his press conferences and it's it's they
they go, they run a little long sometimes.
But I think he he has said thosethings, whereas where it was
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Willie, he may feel the same wayor those those questions or
concerns would be brought up, but they would just change them
the next game. Anyway, I think JB kind of says
it a little bit more. And by that I think maybe some
fans think that, oh, he's he's doing what I was like.
I think all coaches do this, butI, I think JB is, is, is more
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of, of hey, I, I, I see this, I want to change this.
And it and it that the defensiveaggression was definitely
something that he talked about in Denver.
And then you tried to start thatwith in, in Dallas again had 20
turnovers or 20 takeaways. However you want to put it,
forced 20 turnovers. It just did not carry over to
Atlanta for again, the reasons we have said.
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And I've always felt too like one of the other things that
I've noticed, I mean, this team gets its best, I guess,
offensive momentum going where they attack the paint and they
using that pace and attacking it.
And look, maybe one way to counter when you're not making
those threes or something like that is to finish at the rim.
Our percentage is incredible. We can get to the rim.
It's if we could finish at the rim, we'd be having a lot more
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points mean we are unofficially counting in that Dallas game, 20
missed layups. You make half of those.
That's 20 points, you know, right then and there as you can
have in a game you lost by what you know, three or something.
So I, I think when you look at that the, it's there, you're
starting to see it kind of put together to your point, They,
they know what works, they know what they need to work on and
they know what they can still add.
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It's just now time. You mentioned the schedule.
How do we practice? How do we get these minutes on
the court with these units as well?
This, the finishing is, is a huge part of this.
You, you obviously you want to be higher on your layout
percentage. You want to be not hovering
around 50% on your shots in the paint, which is something that
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I, I, I think we've seen this team do probably more often than
than they want to this year. So the fact that you know, you
you have guys like fears who aresometimes looking for contact,
not getting the calls or you know, you're driving guys.
And, and this is something Pregohas talked about when you get
those fast break opportunities. I think Denver, it was 20
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turnovers, 24 points off 20 turnovers.
Dallas, it was 22 points off 20 turnovers.
I could have had those those games back up, but you, you want
to see those numbers closer to if you have 20 turnovers in a
game, if you force 20 turnovers,you want to see that number
closer to 30 and 32 against Oklahoma City, you force 18
turnovers in those 32 points. So or 30 points.
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That's a ratio you want to see. So if you have 8 more points in
that Denver game, that's flipped, right?
If you have 8 more points in that Dallas game, that result is
flipped. So making better decisions when
you get the turnovers is key. Not driving into three guys, not
driving the two guys, understanding your advantage of
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hey, it's 214, let's pull, you know, let's back it out.
So I, I, I think that's also just something that the team is
pressing. I think a little bit, you know,
everybody's aware of the record and I think you, you just,
you're trying to do that extra little thing.
I got to just try to get 2 points here where, you know,
just kind of understanding some things.
And I think it's just a lot of guys trying to do things to win
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games. But you know it, it's it's just
something that the team has to be aware of.
This this offense just needs an injection of some juice and some
easy baskets. And I think with the fast
breaking and transition, I thinkthat is crucial when you're
you're you're struggling to makethrees, you're struggling to
finish around the basket. They they just need easy
offense. And whether that comes in the
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form of Jordan Poole comes back,Zion gets back into a rhythm
where he's playing, you know, more frequently.
They just need a boost. And I think that one of the
things that Borrego talked aboutwith the transition and and
capitalizing after turnovers is just decision making.
They just need to make better decisions.
And if you have a three on two, I mean, I'm going to make old
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school basketball fans happy, but at this point it's like
don't don't veer out to the three-point line.
Just go to the basket and get a layup.
And and I think, you know, they just need a lot more consistency
with the offense. And I think the fast break will
be one way that they can do. That it's easy to look at the
fourth quarter and say, hey, youwon or lost the game there.
It's in the first or second whenyou mentioned and you had a fast
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break opportunity here in Dallas.
Jeremiah fears you get a steal and then you miss 2 free throws.
I just those are two points you could always get back.
You talked about juice. Is there any player right now
wearing a Pelicans uniform that's providing more juice than
Dairy Queen? Not, not, not a lot.
I will say that the only guy I think that could even get in
there, that conversation is there's always, there has been
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in the last week. There's like a 4 minute stretch
per game, usually in the first half where Trey Murphy decides
I'm going to go to the basket every time and you're not going
to stop me, I'm going to get fouled, I'm going to make some
shots. I think that was a ridiculous
high arcing reversal layout thathe had the other day as well.
But on a consistent basis, what you see from Derrick Queen has
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been, I'm going to be the hub ofthis offense and we're going to
make some plays around this. And I, I, I think it's been,
it's been fun to watch for all of the offseason noise
surrounding him. To see him kind of shine and
perform the way he does has beenincredible.
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It it, it's fantastic to watch. To see NBA Twitter, NBA social
in general start to embrace him of, you know, you see clips of
his highlights every single game.
You see all of these different things.
That makes me feel good for the kid himself to see some people
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because he admitted it after theDallas game.
You know, he's he's on socials, he sees it.
Like even admitted he was a little bit of a troll a little
bit the other the other guy in one of his tweets.
But to see him kind of get a little bit of that love from
from the NBA community has has has been fun.
Yeah, it's almost like, oh wait,he's actually a basketball
player that plays basketball in the in these games and who might
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be. Good at it might be very good,
Who would have thought? Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah.
I mean it's been eye opening. So it's, it's been there's, it's
just been fun. I mean, it's unfortunately the
team results have not been there, but watching him play has
been a breath of fresh air. It's been great.
That's incredible, 30 points, 20points and 20 points the last
three games combined. And something that we've seen,
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Jim and I know the rookies have been a big topic too, is you're
sitting here hearing opposing teams and opposing coaches say
our game plans to take the ball out of his hands, which is kind
of remarkable. So as we do Player of the Week
and Player to Watch, as Jim likes to do, is there a queen
one of them? He is the player of the.
I'm sure. That's not a surprise.
He averaged 19.8 points, 8.3 rebounds, 5.3 assists and 1.8
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steals. I mean, just across the board,
he's doing everything. I mean, he had some blocks as
well. I mean, beyond maybe this, the
numbers, I mean, what, what do you think among the production
is the thing that stands out to you the most or is the most, you
know, impressive? You know, I it's, it's kind of
funny. I had a, a a friendly, I don't
even call it a bet. I had a hot take that I had with
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Antonio Daniels. I said, I said Derrick Queen's
first double double is going to come with assist and he's like,
no, it's going to come with. I was like, it's going to come
with assist. And he he even got double digit
rebounds one game and I was like.
But he. Finished with nine points.
So when he got the 11 assists, the 10 assists the other night,
I think it was in Dallas. In Dallas, the silent reporter
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sits in front of the play by play in the the color guy.
So I sit right in. Front of as it should be, right?
Yeah, instead of like any other arena where like there's a lot
of the arenas where off the sidein the corner, you're
everywhere. I literally when he got the 10th
assist, I just kind of did one of these just just right, right
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to AD behind me. And he's like, all right, all
right. But all that aside, the great
numbers, the offense, it's been the defense.
And I think when I I spoke with Borrego, I asked him, I think of
one of these press conferences about this and he said even he
didn't think that DQ's one-on-one defense was going to
be so good. The ability to guard your match
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up. But we don't have to bring any
help. We don't have to bring anybody
else. His ability to rebound has been
kind of eye opening to them. We've all talked about maybe the
the entire rookie class being a little bit better earlier than
we thought, but especially on the defensive end for DQ.
I think his feet are really quick and his hands might be
quicker sometimes. I think that's how he's getting
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a lot of these steals. Is is just parts of his game
that you didn't realize that areso good.
Moving on to the player to watch.
I'm going to go with Zion and this is for the games against
Memphis and then at Golden Stateand at the Lakers.
Will he playing back to backs? We're not sure, but the next
back-to-back is Saturday and Sunday at Golden State at the
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Lakers. I guess we'll have to wait and
find out on that. Either way, the good news is
that after that the team does not have a back-to-back until
December 22nd and 23rd. But I'm I'm this for this week
and part of why I pick him for the player to watch is just
these opponents. In the opening opening game
against Memphis he had 27 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, 5
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steals. Was was a great force.
Didn't play in either game against Golden State or Lakers
when they were here so just justcurious to see what impact he
has. Again, to talk about Trey having
that 4 to 5 minute stretch of per game where it's usually in
the first half we just takes over.
We saw that again, I think a Dallas with with Z for the first
game and a half, I think a lot of some of that offense would
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still run through DQ. And I think even DQ said it like
I don't have 30 in a game against Denver if Zion's not on
the floor because you're, he's playing off of Zion's gravity.
It it just, it doesn't happen ifZ is not there.
And I know it's, it's not eitheror it's they can work together.
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Second, fourth quarter, late third quarter, fourth quarter of
that Dallas game, Zion was like,no, I'm just going to get, get
to the rim and continuously got to the rim was drawing files,
was doing all of that. So I, I think I'm, I'm very
excited to continue to see how they play off of each other.
You know, trying to find that balance between how much you
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want to have the ball in DQ's hands, how much you want to have
the ball in Z's hands, how much you want to just let one make
reads. I think they both have
exceptional passing abilities, especially as you kind of have
Jeremiah fears kind of come along and understand that, you
know, the point guard position. I, I just, I think it's going to
be a great week to watch both ofthese guys continue to try to
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develop and see where they're going.
DQ sees everything. That's one of my favorite parts
of his game is that, you know, if somebody is open and he has
the ball, that the ball is goingto arrive, it's going to get
there. Yep.
So I mean, that's the the part that's fun.
Before we go, I wanted to talk kind of specifically about the
three opponents that the Pelicans have Wednesday,
Saturday and Sunday. As I mentioned, Grizzlies,
Warriors and Lakers, and I have some trending numbers.
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I know you enjoy this, Gus. For Memphis, the trending number
is 10 and that is 10 different players have started a game
already. For the Grizzlies, Pelicans
actually have 11 so. They haven't beat by 11.
But I mean, I'm sure from a grizzly standpoint, they're
already sick of how much people are talking about their
injuries. But I mean, it is the biggest
story of the team right now. John Moran's not going to play
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Wednesday. Jaron Jackson, junior is
day-to-day with a legal injury. Brandon Clark, Ty Jerome,
Scottie Pippen, junior have not,none of them have even played
this season. So I mean, you're, you're
looking at, as you preview that game, you're looking at just a,
a different Memphis Grizzlies look than what we've seen.
And Scottie Pippen junior I think was ruled out like right
before the the season opener because it was like, like we got
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there. And it's like, oh, he's not,
he's not playing. But it's, it's another team who
you almost feel like they want to have to, they have to, are
they going to have to pull a Memphis Grizzlies again from two
seasons ago where the injuries hurt?
But I, I think, I think you, you've seen what you can get in
Golden State. You've seen what you have in the
Lakers. I think you just hopefully
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you're just a little bit healthier this time.
Around and look, I it's not a category you have a player to
watch or a player. Look, I'm player looking forward
to hear Jordan Poole's got to bearound the corner and we're a
month closer perhaps to the Dejante Murray.
Those are guys that can help youon the offensive end.
So we're getting closer. Let's see what takes place.
Happy Thanksgiving to you guys once in one more time as we are
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very thankful to be doing what we doing.
More importantly, we thankful for you being pals, fans and
joining us.
Hello everyone, and welcome to the New Orleans Pelicans
Podcast. I'm Gus Cotton Gel.
While with Mr. Jim, I can offer New Orleans pelicans.com and Mr.
Andrew Lopez, television sideline reporter for your New
Orleans Pelicans gentlemen another week as it is
Thanksgiving week. And we always give thanks to
just the fact that we can do this and talk a little
basketball, right? I would start there, Jim.
Yeah, man, I mean, nobody has a better job.
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Maybe, maybe the players do, Butyeah, no, I'm very thankful for
the opportunity to work in the NBA, cover A-Team all season.
I know we wish things were goinga little bit better, but I mean,
yeah, you can't complain too much, I think.
At the end of the day, we get paid to watch basketball.
Game exactly right. I mean, yeah, like Jim said, it
doesn't doesn't get any better than that, no.
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Doubt. Now I know Andrew wouldn't mind
being thankful a little bit moresleep I it's going to come, it's
going to come sleep. But obviously eventually they do
grow up and, yeah, get a little older, so you're good.
The old newborn. General, let's start obviously
with what took place towards theend of the week as we lead into
this week. And that was a back-to-back set
of games for the Pelicans, Andrew at Dallas and then coming
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home and taking on a Atlanta Hawk team that had the SKC kind
of going with a lot of their fans here over the weekend as
the Falcons and Saints were playing.
But we. Don't have to talk about.
That when you look back at the day, he gave us a great
environment, right? We always love that talk about
that on the other podcast. I don't know when you look at
those two games, though, what what stood out to you starting
out in Dallas? Still, I, I want to say the
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first half in Dallas might have been the best half of basketball
they've played maybe all season at at at least definitely it
feels like under Borrego, there's so much like in that
first half. Unfortunately you go was it over
12 from three in the second-half, threes weren't
falling. And then unfortunately our, our
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our friend Naji Marshall hit hits a three there at the end,
But it it felt like the best half.
And then I, I think, and this isnot an excuse, but this is just
what it is. It's just the reality of the
situation. Saturday was the 5th game in
seven nights. You're playing on a
back-to-back. And not only are you playing on
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a back-to-back, it's a Road homeback-to-back.
It chose to travel back-to-back.And then Friday's game started
at 7:30. Saturday's game started at 6:00.
There was so much going on. And I think it it it looked to
me like a team while trying to figure out all of these
different things while trying tofigure out a new offense and
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some some new rotation pieces that it it it looked like it got
to him a little bit on Saturday and Atlanta with a night off in
New Orleans looked like the fresher team.
And so that that gauntlet is behind you that whole week,
which started off with as as as James, where you go put it,
three of the most unique scouts in the NBA in OK C or in in in
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player wise in Curry, Shay and Yokich.
And I, I, I think it just got there so excited about the day
off and, and kind of getting into Thanksgiving week where
the, the schedule kind of thins,thins out in terms of, of days,
although we do have another back-to-back this weekend.
Andrew covered Saturday. I don't think anyone to add
anything to that. I mean, to me, Friday was
another example. I think you could put the
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Clippers game in this bucket as well of you had so many good
individual performances and at the end of the night it kind of
goes away a little bit because you don't win the game.
So to me that was such a a missed opportunity.
I loved watching Derrick Queen play that night.
I mean, I know we're going to talk about him I'm sure a lot in
this show today, but I mean he was fantastic.
He had he's thrown behind the back passes on in transition I.
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Still don't. That was I was like, he's going
to lob it up to Trey, right? Like he's going to lob it up to
Trey right. And then he's he crosses the
line and I was like, he's not lobbing it up.
I was. That was ridiculous.
Yeah, I'm and some of the footwork he had, some of the
moves he had around the basket to finish.
I mean, it was just it was unbelievable.
There. There was probably a solid 2
minutes of highlights of just him, but it was just another
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case of it was frustrating because the story kind of gets
minimized a ton by the fact thatthey didn't win the game.
If they win the game, I feel like a lot of people around the
NBA are saying like what a what a performance by Derek Queen.
Cooper Flag played really well in that game as well.
I think it was his career high and scoring to that point.
But I think you could not biasedsay that Derek Queen was the
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best player on the floor in thatin that game.
So I mean, like I said, I go back to the Clippers game.
You had a fantastic Jordan Poolenight where he's making a bunch
of threes, but you lose the gameat the buzzer.
So and it's a late Friday game. And so I just felt like another
opportunity where you could get some positivity and some some
good buzz going around the team and it it doesn't happen because
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you lose by a point. You mentioned it a little bit
and we kind of talked about before we started recording here
as well. O for 12 in that second-half at
Dallas, the three-point shooting.
I can I can hear a graph in my ear right now.
It it's something we've brought up, I believe and almost feel in
every single either pre game halftime post game.
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When you look at the season so far, almost getting to 20 full
games. How do you view the issues
beyond the arc for? The palace, you know, it's, it's
something that I, I think a lot of.
The shots are there. Yeah, and I think a lot of fans
thought at first, as soon as yousaw James Verego takeover, you
just automatically assumed this team was going to shoot 3540
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threes a game. But he has spoken on it and I've
asked him about corner 3 specifically and then asked him
about the total number and he hemade two very good points.
He's like the the way that this roster is constructed doesn't
always allow for that at at times.
Speaking specifically of corner threes, he's like the best
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corner threes are when you can drive and then kick.
But if you're if you do have a anon shooting 5 in that big can
sit in that big, you know, ideally in the corner through
situation, you want that to get out to the corner, have somebody
collapse and then at that shots open.
If the big can just sit it, it kind of makes a little bit
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different, makes that pass harder.
You can't really get out there. And then he's like when you have
so many guys right now who are predominantly paint touch guys
and you have a Zion, a Derek Queen, even right now, Fierce,
fierce. Can you know, we've seen fierce
start games 2 for 2/3 for three,sometimes from three.
But a lot of what he does is is more predicated on getting to
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the hoop. I think in the Atlanta game, he
might have had his first thirteen shot attempts were were
were were twos, some of all, some of those in a lot of those
in the paint. But before he finally, I think
attempted A3 late there in the fourth quarter.
So it's it's it's adjusting. And I think some of this is the
team adjusting to what they wanton offense from James Origo.
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We've seen a little bit of uptake in the corner threes,
maybe not as much as he wants. I know at one point in that
Atlanta game, I think Atlanta had it was 17 corner threes to
three corner or seven corner threes to the PEL.
So some some tinkering is still going on with the offense.
And I think we'll we'll see maybe those numbers continue to
go up, but it's it's JB trying to figure out where to make sure
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the right pieces. Are yeah Andrew Fierce had
thirteen shots total against Atlanta.
He was only over one from three points I.
Think he was 12 then we're in the paint.
The last one was like 3 minutes left.
And I do think that it is mostlya personnel thing, not
necessarily the way that they'retrying to attack.
It's just players have tendencies and even the guys
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that have just come into the league, they play a certain way
and it's going to take a while to maybe, I don't know if this
is going to be a goal down the road, but eventually have fears
have more of a balance between how many threes he takes and how
much he tries to get into the paint as he gains more
confidence in his shot. I know that was he was kind of
an average 3 point shooter in college.
It wasn't like the thing that hewas known for.
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But I mean, to me, it's really Trey Murphy and Sadiq Bay.
And among the guys that are playing right now, they're the
ones that you say, OK, these arehigh volume 3 point shooters.
You're not surprised if they make 3 or 4 in a game.
Whereas most of the rest of the squad, it's kind of, you know,
that's not what they're known for.
And I mentioned Jordan Poole earlier.
I mean, he's another case of yougot to get him back in on the
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court if you want to help the volume as.
Well, I was going to say, I guarantee you as soon as Jordan
Poole comes back up, the three-point attempts per game
are going to go back up. Yeah.
So I mean, I think that's part of it, but there's no doubt.
I mean, Borrego has mentioned the math problem lately that
they've had a lot of games wherethey're just the other teams are
making more threes and taking many more.
I feel like this was more of a thing that we saw in the NBA or
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with the Pelicans specifically, like 810 years ago when other
teams started taking more threesand they kind of lagged in that
area. But yeah, it's definitely a
problem. That is something that they're
going to have to improve becauseyou don't want to give up 24 to
30 points a game just in that category that you have to make
up in other areas. Now with Zion playing, they're
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going to have an advantage in paint points on a lot of these
teams, but still, that's a huge gap.
No, I think I did, you know, nota mathematician by any means
whatsoever, but 51 of their total points that the Hawks had
were out from three pointers and57 were from 2 pointers.
That's almost half of your points coming.
And that's just, that's a battlethat man is going to be tough
to. Be and and JB has talked about
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that. He's talked about the math
equation, but but and he had a very good answer to this I think
post game the other night. Do you shoot threes just because
of the math equation, or do you shoot threes because they're
good shots? And I think that is the balance
that they're trying to find right now.
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Yeah, you can tell them, hey, goout and shoot 50 a game.
But if it doesn't work because they're all bad shots, OK, well,
you're going to go 2 for 20 on those extra threes anyway.
And that's 18 transition opportunities.
So I, I, I think it's, it's a balance of finding it, but where
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this team works, what works the best for this group?
And it has to be the guys that are comfortable doing it.
You can't go into a game and say, you know, Eve, Misi and
Zion, we need you to take 6 threes a game because we need to
get the team volume up and we don't want you to play in the
pain as much. It doesn't work.
So I mean, I think that's part of the the logic, you know that
he explained really well. You know, we've, we've already
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mentioned some of the changes that have happened with James
Borrego. Can we kind of discuss, I mean,
some of the things that he's changed, some of the things that
have been tweaks. I think overall, I mean, my
biggest kind of overall point since he's come in has been that
the, the team's been more competitive.
They haven't won a game yet in the first five that he's taken
over as we record this on Mondaymorning, but the the 30 point
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losses have gone away. What, what are some of the
things that you've seen so far that he's tweaked and he's tried
to change? Yeah, I think really.
I mean, I feel like the of thosefirst five that were sauce was
the Atlanta one that we have explained was the 5th and seven,
the back-to-back, etcetera. Except if there's a lot of
things that he's he's he's triedto do that just kind of change
the energy of the team, which I think is is key.
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He's kind of switched up shoot rounds.
He switched up practices, move practice courts from one
practice court to the other in the facility.
Just every little thing to try and get something out out of
these guys. And I think you've also seen a
obviously a a little bit of a new offense in in in what he's
trying to do. And I think kind of maybe why
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you've you've seen that kind of like you're you're trying to put
some new stuff in in the middle of the year.
And, and again, it's, it's just trying to change the energy when
you, when you whenever you have a situation like this, I think
in any sport, an interim coach coming in, that interim coach is
going to try to, you know, put his spin on things, bring a
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little bit different anything, especially when your team's
record is the way it is. And I think, I think that's what
we see JB doing. But it, it definitely felt like
a new energy. And again, it just it's a heck
of a way to have to start with with with what that schedule was
last week. So, but, but you can see him
kind of putting his imprint on things and, and, and trying to
make things just a little bit better.
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Are we seeing a little bit more?This is not a 48 minute thing.
I hope it will be eventually or close to 48 minutes.
I feel like we're seeing a little bit more aggressiveness
on defense too. We're seeing some stretches
where they're hounding the the ball handler.
They're playing full court press.
They're some of the the spans ofsay 1/4 or 5-6 minutes of a game
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where it feels like low energy. It feels like they're kind of
chipping away at that. What would would you agree with
that in terms of the the strategy and the defense, at
least in in segments I? Want to say that probably
started Denver feel like that was second-half Denver and I
think that was that was his postgame thing was you know he says
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you know I wish we would have done that earlier.
I wish I, I, I would have done that and I'll, I'll say this and
this is not a he does something good.
Willie did something bad argument.
But I think what Willie would doand and when Willie would make
adjustments or, or feel like something happened, he would
keep that to his coaching staff and they would make those
adjustments. I think Borrego is a little bit
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more forthcoming in some of his press conferences.
Again, not good, not bad. It this that's just how he is.
And so you hear him admit mistakes a little bit more, but
only because that's that he justwe've seen it.
He likes to talk in his press conferences and it's it's they
they go, they run a little long sometimes.
But I think he he has said thosethings, whereas where it was
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Willie, he may feel the same wayor those those questions or
concerns would be brought up, but they would just change them
the next game. Anyway, I think JB kind of says
it a little bit more. And by that I think maybe some
fans think that, oh, he's he's doing what I was like.
I think all coaches do this, butI, I think JB is, is, is more
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of, of hey, I, I, I see this, I want to change this.
And it and it that the defensiveaggression was definitely
something that he talked about in Denver.
And then you tried to start thatwith in, in Dallas again had 20
turnovers or 20 takeaways. However you want to put it,
forced 20 turnovers. It just did not carry over to
Atlanta for again, the reasons we have said.
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And I've always felt too like one of the other things that
I've noticed, I mean, this team gets its best, I guess,
offensive momentum going where they attack the paint and they
using that pace and attacking it.
And look, maybe one way to counter when you're not making
those threes or something like that is to finish at the rim.
Our percentage is incredible. We can get to the rim.
It's if we could finish at the rim, we'd be having a lot more
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points mean we are unofficially counting in that Dallas game, 20
missed layups. You make half of those.
That's 20 points, you know, right then and there as you can
have in a game you lost by what you know, three or something.
So I, I think when you look at that the, it's there, you're
starting to see it kind of put together to your point, They,
they know what works, they know what they need to work on and
they know what they can still add.
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It's just now time. You mentioned the schedule.
How do we practice? How do we get these minutes on
the court with these units as well?
This, the finishing is, is a huge part of this.
You, you obviously you want to be higher on your layout
percentage. You want to be not hovering
around 50% on your shots in the paint, which is something that
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I, I, I think we've seen this team do probably more often than
than they want to this year. So the fact that you know, you
you have guys like fears who aresometimes looking for contact,
not getting the calls or you know, you're driving guys.
And, and this is something Pregohas talked about when you get
those fast break opportunities. I think Denver, it was 20
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turnovers, 24 points off 20 turnovers.
Dallas, it was 22 points off 20 turnovers.
I could have had those those games back up, but you, you want
to see those numbers closer to if you have 20 turnovers in a
game, if you force 20 turnovers,you want to see that number
closer to 30 and 32 against Oklahoma City, you force 18
turnovers in those 32 points. So or 30 points.
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That's a ratio you want to see. So if you have 8 more points in
that Denver game, that's flipped, right?
If you have 8 more points in that Dallas game, that result is
flipped. So making better decisions when
you get the turnovers is key. Not driving into three guys, not
driving the two guys, understanding your advantage of
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hey, it's 214, let's pull, you know, let's back it out.
So I, I, I think that's also just something that the team is
pressing. I think a little bit, you know,
everybody's aware of the record and I think you, you just,
you're trying to do that extra little thing.
I got to just try to get 2 points here where, you know,
just kind of understanding some things.
And I think it's just a lot of guys trying to do things to win
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games. But you know it, it's it's just
something that the team has to be aware of.
This this offense just needs an injection of some juice and some
easy baskets. And I think with the fast
breaking and transition, I thinkthat is crucial when you're
you're you're struggling to makethrees, you're struggling to
finish around the basket. They they just need easy
offense. And whether that comes in the
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form of Jordan Poole comes back,Zion gets back into a rhythm
where he's playing, you know, more frequently.
They just need a boost. And I think that one of the
things that Borrego talked aboutwith the transition and and
capitalizing after turnovers is just decision making.
They just need to make better decisions.
And if you have a three on two, I mean, I'm going to make old
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school basketball fans happy, but at this point it's like
don't don't veer out to the three-point line.
Just go to the basket and get a layup.
And and I think, you know, they just need a lot more consistency
with the offense. And I think the fast break will
be one way that they can do. That it's easy to look at the
fourth quarter and say, hey, youwon or lost the game there.
It's in the first or second whenyou mentioned and you had a fast
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break opportunity here in Dallas.
Jeremiah fears you get a steal and then you miss 2 free throws.
I just those are two points you could always get back.
You talked about juice. Is there any player right now
wearing a Pelicans uniform that's providing more juice than
Dairy Queen? Not, not, not a lot.
I will say that the only guy I think that could even get in
there, that conversation is there's always, there has been
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in the last week. There's like a 4 minute stretch
per game, usually in the first half where Trey Murphy decides
I'm going to go to the basket every time and you're not going
to stop me, I'm going to get fouled, I'm going to make some
shots. I think that was a ridiculous
high arcing reversal layout thathe had the other day as well.
But on a consistent basis, what you see from Derrick Queen has
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been, I'm going to be the hub ofthis offense and we're going to
make some plays around this. And I, I, I think it's been,
it's been fun to watch for all of the offseason noise
surrounding him. To see him kind of shine and
perform the way he does has beenincredible.
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It it, it's fantastic to watch. To see NBA Twitter, NBA social
in general start to embrace him of, you know, you see clips of
his highlights every single game.
You see all of these different things.
That makes me feel good for the kid himself to see some people
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because he admitted it after theDallas game.
You know, he's he's on socials, he sees it.
Like even admitted he was a little bit of a troll a little
bit the other the other guy in one of his tweets.
But to see him kind of get a little bit of that love from
from the NBA community has has has been fun.
Yeah, it's almost like, oh wait,he's actually a basketball
player that plays basketball in the in these games and who might
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be. Good at it might be very good,
Who would have thought? Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah.
I mean it's been eye opening. So it's, it's been there's, it's
just been fun. I mean, it's unfortunately the
team results have not been there, but watching him play has
been a breath of fresh air. It's been great.
That's incredible, 30 points, 20points and 20 points the last
three games combined. And something that we've seen,
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Jim and I know the rookies have been a big topic too, is you're
sitting here hearing opposing teams and opposing coaches say
our game plans to take the ball out of his hands, which is kind
of remarkable. So as we do Player of the Week
and Player to Watch, as Jim likes to do, is there a queen
one of them? He is the player of the.
I'm sure. That's not a surprise.
He averaged 19.8 points, 8.3 rebounds, 5.3 assists and 1.8
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steals. I mean, just across the board,
he's doing everything. I mean, he had some blocks as
well. I mean, beyond maybe this, the
numbers, I mean, what, what do you think among the production
is the thing that stands out to you the most or is the most, you
know, impressive? You know, I it's, it's kind of
funny. I had a, a a friendly, I don't
even call it a bet. I had a hot take that I had with
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Antonio Daniels. I said, I said Derrick Queen's
first double double is going to come with assist and he's like,
no, it's going to come with. I was like, it's going to come
with assist. And he he even got double digit
rebounds one game and I was like.
But he. Finished with nine points.
So when he got the 11 assists, the 10 assists the other night,
I think it was in Dallas. In Dallas, the silent reporter
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sits in front of the play by play in the the color guy.
So I sit right in. Front of as it should be, right?
Yeah, instead of like any other arena where like there's a lot
of the arenas where off the sidein the corner, you're
everywhere. I literally when he got the 10th
assist, I just kind of did one of these just just right, right
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to AD behind me. And he's like, all right, all
right. But all that aside, the great
numbers, the offense, it's been the defense.
And I think when I I spoke with Borrego, I asked him, I think of
one of these press conferences about this and he said even he
didn't think that DQ's one-on-one defense was going to
be so good. The ability to guard your match
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up. But we don't have to bring any
help. We don't have to bring anybody
else. His ability to rebound has been
kind of eye opening to them. We've all talked about maybe the
the entire rookie class being a little bit better earlier than
we thought, but especially on the defensive end for DQ.
I think his feet are really quick and his hands might be
quicker sometimes. I think that's how he's getting
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a lot of these steals. Is is just parts of his game
that you didn't realize that areso good.
Moving on to the player to watch.
I'm going to go with Zion and this is for the games against
Memphis and then at Golden Stateand at the Lakers.
Will he playing back to backs? We're not sure, but the next
back-to-back is Saturday and Sunday at Golden State at the
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Lakers. I guess we'll have to wait and
find out on that. Either way, the good news is
that after that the team does not have a back-to-back until
December 22nd and 23rd. But I'm I'm this for this week
and part of why I pick him for the player to watch is just
these opponents. In the opening opening game
against Memphis he had 27 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, 5
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steals. Was was a great force.
Didn't play in either game against Golden State or Lakers
when they were here so just justcurious to see what impact he
has. Again, to talk about Trey having
that 4 to 5 minute stretch of per game where it's usually in
the first half we just takes over.
We saw that again, I think a Dallas with with Z for the first
game and a half, I think a lot of some of that offense would
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still run through DQ. And I think even DQ said it like
I don't have 30 in a game against Denver if Zion's not on
the floor because you're, he's playing off of Zion's gravity.
It it just, it doesn't happen ifZ is not there.
And I know it's, it's not eitheror it's they can work together.
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Second, fourth quarter, late third quarter, fourth quarter of
that Dallas game, Zion was like,no, I'm just going to get, get
to the rim and continuously got to the rim was drawing files,
was doing all of that. So I, I think I'm, I'm very
excited to continue to see how they play off of each other.
You know, trying to find that balance between how much you
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want to have the ball in DQ's hands, how much you want to have
the ball in Z's hands, how much you want to just let one make
reads. I think they both have
exceptional passing abilities, especially as you kind of have
Jeremiah fears kind of come along and understand that, you
know, the point guard position. I, I just, I think it's going to
be a great week to watch both ofthese guys continue to try to
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develop and see where they're going.
DQ sees everything. That's one of my favorite parts
of his game is that, you know, if somebody is open and he has
the ball, that the ball is goingto arrive, it's going to get
there. Yep.
So I mean, that's the the part that's fun.
Before we go, I wanted to talk kind of specifically about the
three opponents that the Pelicans have Wednesday,
Saturday and Sunday. As I mentioned, Grizzlies,
Warriors and Lakers, and I have some trending numbers.
(25:19):
I know you enjoy this, Gus. For Memphis, the trending number
is 10 and that is 10 different players have started a game
already. For the Grizzlies, Pelicans
actually have 11 so. They haven't beat by 11.
But I mean, I'm sure from a grizzly standpoint, they're
already sick of how much people are talking about their
injuries. But I mean, it is the biggest
story of the team right now. John Moran's not going to play
(25:41):
Wednesday. Jaron Jackson, junior is
day-to-day with a legal injury. Brandon Clark, Ty Jerome,
Scottie Pippen, junior have not,none of them have even played
this season. So I mean, you're, you're
looking at, as you preview that game, you're looking at just a,
a different Memphis Grizzlies look than what we've seen.
And Scottie Pippen junior I think was ruled out like right
before the the season opener because it was like, like we got
(26:03):
there. And it's like, oh, he's not,
he's not playing. But it's, it's another team who
you almost feel like they want to have to, they have to, are
they going to have to pull a Memphis Grizzlies again from two
seasons ago where the injuries hurt?
But I, I think, I think you, you've seen what you can get in
Golden State. You've seen what you have in the
Lakers. I think you just hopefully
(26:24):
you're just a little bit healthier this time.
Around and look, I it's not a category you have a player to
watch or a player. Look, I'm player looking forward
to hear Jordan Poole's got to bearound the corner and we're a
month closer perhaps to the Dejante Murray.
Those are guys that can help youon the offensive end.
So we're getting closer. Let's see what takes place.
Happy Thanksgiving to you guys once in one more time as we are
(26:44):
very thankful to be doing what we doing.
More importantly, we thankful for you being pals, fans and
joining us.
Host
Jim Eichenhofer
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