Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 12/1

This week on New Rory & Mal, the guys debate who has better rappers between New York and Detroit, T-Pain rants about fake friends in the music industry, Rory and Mal are horrified by the new Diddy documentary, and Demaris clears up a few questions about women platonic relationships #volume

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Do we want to stay just quickly in music? Not
that I mean this may be more of a Patreon thing.
I'm just still a rap NERD Beans put out his
list to top five Philly rappers excluding himself.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
I was actually curious what your list would be Philly rap.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, so this is Bean's top five greatest Philly without him,
of course, number one, Black Thought, number two, Young Chris three,
Freeway four, Meek Mill five, Gilly excluding him.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Yeah, I would want to hear where y'all put Beans
on there. I know he excluded him, but ya, Beans
is number two.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
To me, my list would be Black Thought one, Beans too,
Freeway three, Chris four. Actually I got to stop wing,
but then I don't know where to put even right now,
Beans is number one. I'm not mad at that Beans
being number one.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Beans is one of my Black Thought is a fucking alien.
He could probably rap better than ninety nine percent of
nig on planet. I would say one, but I don't
listen to Black Thought as much as I listened to Being.

Speaker 6 (01:04):
Okay, but we're talking about the greatest rap and me.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
You have had this discussion too, where just because you
listen to something more doesn't make it greater, so greater rappers.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I'm still going my five. I'm sticking with. I'm just
I feel like Eve deserves to be in that five.
But I have Black Thought, Beans, Freeway, Chris, Meek, But
I want Eve to be somewhere out there because she deserves.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
To be there. She does. But if it's five, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Like, does Chris rap better than Eve? Of course, but
I still have to put in like Gilly, what Eve
has done?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Gilly rap better than Eve? Yes, I'm not familiar with
Gilly's pen.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
No, Gilly is a great rapper. Is a really really
really good rapper?

Speaker 6 (01:48):
Just wonder.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, Gilly rats better than Meek. Yeah, but I put
Meek there just because of what Meek has accomplished with songs,
and but Gilly rap better than me for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
I think Meek would probably say that, No, he does,
It's not, I mean it's not he does Gilly.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
Listen a lot of y'all met Gilly through podcasting, like, yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, it was putting
out you know, he was dropping joys.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
He was on every fucking DVD.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
Like, Gilly definitely raps better than a lot of people
think and a lot of people really don't know Gilly's
you know, his his his bars like that, but trust
and believe he's definitely one of the illo for.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Philly, and it puts some respect just on Philly periods.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I mean, the way people talk about home taking Young
Christ's flow, people can say the same thing about Wayne.
When everything shifted, it was a Gilly flow.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
It was definitely I mean Philly, he said.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Gilly said, you was wearing soft toed rebox when I
met you. Y'all wasn't watching.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Flow is iconic. The way Wayne we talk about being
so influential, like there's a Gilly flow. Yeah, Like I'm
not on the side that he your ghost rip everything
for Wayne or I don't want to get in the
weeds to that. But Philly, between Detroit and Philly, I
think are probably the two best cities of just straight rapping.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Like you just got rap.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
New York's not in it just to rap, not song.
He not the most song why just bars, just bars?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Philly and Detroit there, man, that's top two to you.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
You bugging the funk out man, You think Detroit rap
better than New York?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
You crazy as a motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
All right, big pun versus Eminem. And you know, I'm
not even a big M fan like that?

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Why you snatch Big Pun?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Because how you were doing new or doing New York?

Speaker 6 (03:34):
How did you get that that was horrible to do?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
How was that Big Pun in Eminem? What kind of
matchup is that?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
We talk about people that just just rap, really, we
don't think Big Pun raps really really.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
Really well, yes, but I'm saying is not one of
the New York yet. All right, So why you didn't
name Jayz? Why you didn't name Nas?

Speaker 2 (03:52):
I think Pun and M have a similar flow than
nads in Eminem or Jay and Eminem. I think Pun
and Eminem are closer together as far as how they rap.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
What do you know how Jay started rapping?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, like the fucking double time pullshit, that's not what
em does dead in the middle, Like I can't even
do that shit, that's end to me.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
That's one rap, that's one part of a rat you
talked about. That wasn't Pun styling throughout his.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Career for sure, But I mean the first album rapping,
rapping like he rapped with black thought.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
Actually no, pun, No, don't don't get it twisted. But
matter of fact, it's somebody named it Black Thought.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
And the first thing when he even got on Pun's
album was just in Philly. It was like, Yo, that's
the one in New York that just raps better than everybody.
That's why he wanted to get on that ship because
Pun was one of.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Those I'm not saying Pun wasn't, but it's just weird
for you to say Pun versus Eminem, like who's Hawaii?

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Might the first person he defines jay Z and how
his rap style is.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
No, I'm not saying that, but you might be the
first person to ever say big Pun or Eminem. You
might be the first person to ever say that.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I'm not doubling down just because I'm fucking hard headed.
I do think that's a very fair comparison. And if
you're doing Detroit versus New York of who raps similar,
Punt and m are very close in that. All right,
I'm taking Pun well, I and too, But that's I'm
we're talking about. So now the Golden Horston Detroit is out.
So now who you got? I leave New York away

(05:16):
from all these. Don't do the bias.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Don't do that.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Nah, you said Detroit and Philly are the best rap cities.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
That's what you said.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, because in Detroit you have m Royce, l Zi.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Yep, legends rap is for real shit, I'm just having
a brain fard. It's okay, Yeah, should I start naming
New York because I can, Like, if you want to
just start naming New York for you, I can you
know who.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
Would you name in New York taking away song making
ability just rap?

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Just because why I'm making that comparison is yes, of
course New York freestyle like that, but New York was
so focused on making songs from the nineties in two thousands.
In Philly and Detroit, who's just rapping no hours on end.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Just Philly is one of my favorite rap cities. You'll
never hear me say anything about the Spinners. I'm talking
about the niggas that really cor rapt from Philly, Like
it's incredible balls that we can we can quote. But
when you say best rap cities and you go Detroit
and Philly and it's like.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
What I think, m Royce and Lzi is the craziest
three when it comes to just rapping, like period.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
J nods and Big.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
Show talking about about who are you talking about? Nobody
raps better? Than Jaynas and Big nobody on planet.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I'm not gonna I know where my bias stands on everything,
But so what are we talking about.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
We're going to give you on y'all ass fighting for
Eminem to be better than all three of them.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
Y'all do not know.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Better than who jns are big? Yeah, people, you niggas
better go back and listen to some music. Jay z
Nas and Biggie are the best.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I always take j over M in any category. But
I can total see why someone be like not if
you print out a piece of paper, Yes, he's rapping
better than everybody.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Somebody from LA is screaming across the coast right now about.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
By LA rappers respect to all the all the major cities.
You know, we we we can name a bunch of cities.
But I'm just saying Rory said.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Even the last ten years and has been out rapping everybody.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
L has been out rapping everybody.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
He's had this conversation easy, but if you're going back
to the night he's like, yeah, it's Snoop incredible, of course,
but it doesn't add up to all the rappers that
were in New York at that time.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
You told about rapping every time. Yeah, you say Snoop name.
I just think about that Snoop and DMX versus. I
hate that versus so much. I hate that they did that,
that match up. You didn't hate that match up, of course,
like I hate it. I really can't believe they did that.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Like DMX said, he was molested and y'all kept dancing.
But to you, he's always got to make your with that.
That was my takeaway from that. Yeah, I just I
hated that.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
I would think that Snoop and DMX was supposed to
be in the verses against each other like that was.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
I didn't like that matchup, but recipiece of the Act.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
To be fair, sorry, who would you have rather matched
them up with?

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Because what I saw that was I saw that as
more of a celebration in a real versus, because.

Speaker 6 (08:15):
Who would you put them against?

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Snoop?

Speaker 6 (08:19):
Snoop might be easier. Who would you put dm Mexicans?

Speaker 5 (08:22):
Oh hmm, I don't know. I would have put xagons.
I'd have to think about that. Because we were recording,
I can't really think of it. But I just didn't
remember when they announced that. I was just like Snoop
versus DMX, it just that was just it just never
felt if I mean, were looking at it, we.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Snoop Dogg and then DMX was the dog man.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
I think they tried to lean, they went that way
with him, but if you told my catalog and and
you know, skills set, and it just it wasn't a
good matchup.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
No for sure.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
But that's why I said I think some of I
think some of the verses were more celebrations than.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I mean, that's what it turned out to be, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
But I just didn't like I remember when they announced that,
I was kind of like, I don't really like that,
but I was happy that they gave DMX that platform
because a lot of people needed a history lesson on DMX.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
So that was dope.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I think that kind of ties into the t pay
rant on a club shah.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Let me not call it a rant. I hate that word.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
He he was talking about Khaled during his club shah
shit and saying more or less, I'm paraphrasing, Cali was
my best friend when he needed me for the first
three fucking albums, and then then after that, when I
got a little colder, I don't hear from cald.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Okay, you know I Teddy bender ass is one of
my favorite of all time. I'm not here to even
defend this some music industry, Why would you expect Kalen
to be your friend? I get what you're saying. Maybe
it's because I'm so Jayla at this point and we've
had a similar conversation with I don't have the expectations
of people anymore, will I look at it? Kind of

(10:04):
funny if we was sitting in the studio for ten
years straight and we brothers this and that and having fun,
and then all of a sudden, you don't call. Yeah,
I think that's corny and weird. So that's what he's like,
that's what he's saying. Expect it, But that's what he's saying.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Though, Like if we did all of that, we have
all of this history together, we probably had some you know,
heart to heart conversations, spent a lot of time. You know,
families probably know each other to an extent, like and
then all of a sudden, like I can't get a
All we did was win. Yeah, I can't get a
return phone call. I can't if I reached out for something.
Maybe you know I wanted you on a record and

(10:39):
I couldn't get that from you. I could understand t
pain stance of, you know, fuck DJ Khaled, But the
thing I don't understand is, and I've said it and
people kill me for saying it, but DJ Khaled is
obviously very self serving. Yeah, And I don't understand how
people don't understand or see that by now, like he's
very self serving. Sure why he's been the businessman that

(11:02):
he's been in the music business, right, So I mean,
but again, T Pain probably felt like they were a
little close or a little.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Better than that.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
And you know, I mean, it is what it is,
if that's what his stance, If his stance is, he's
not fucking with Caled, and I'm sure he has because
T Pain is not somebody that I can remember ever
having a real issue with anybody other than auto to him.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I don't want to talk about Khaled's character per se,
because I don't really know Khaled as a human being.
But when I was at deaf Jam, he was an executive.
While I was at deaf Jam, he was an executive
there and an executive.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
At Sony, which was unheard of.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
He's also a DJ, executive and DJs are only working
with what's hot at the moment. There's no tie to anything.
Kaled actually doesn't. I don't think gets the credit. He
deserves to be the executive that he is, but he
has the mind of a DJ and executive. He's only
going to fuck with what's high and pitch it as
if they're brother. You don't think le Or Cohen's self serving? Yeah,

(12:04):
you don't think Lucian Range is self serving?

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:06):
You don't think Kevin Laos is self not self serving?
Like as humans in their personal lives, like I'm sure
with their families, they're amazing people.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, but business we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, you have to be to be successful.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Listen, those those companies are net thirty, net sixty, net ninety,
not just with paying people, but also with the relationship
with that person one hundred two thousand. You're only as
funky as your last cut. I don't owe you shit,
but you can't because you know, because because because music
is so emotional and you're pouring your life into it,
some some people rightfully so view it as that it's

(12:43):
not it's a transaction knowledge which I don't care about
it that I'm not one of those people.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
It's not for some people. It's not because you have
a lot of art. It's not one of those people.
And I know that, but I'm just saying you have
a lot of You have a lot of artists and
a lot of producers that work together, that are very close,
that are like family. And I feel like, you know,
maybeald Well, maybe T Paint felt like that was him
in Kalid, Like like we can go back and look
at the history. T Pain was on every big Kalid

(13:07):
record when it was We the Best and all of that,
like it was it.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Was T Pain everywhere. I mean, it was ace Hood everywhere.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
And now both of these gentlemen have you know, certain
feelings towards DJ Khalet, But I mean it's looking like
they're they're both in the same boat, and they're right
like Khalid used them when they was hot, you know,
it was making a lot of records, making big songs together.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Then once Bieber sent his vocals back, it was like
fuck ace Hood, fuck T Pay.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Once you get in Future vocals and Beyonce vocals and
Rihanna vocals, it's like, I don't need T Pain no more.
When I got Future, I don't need you know, ace
hood when I got Hove sending you know, versus back
and I got nas in the studio and I got
you know, so, I mean T Pain probably felt like,
all right, well I asked for a record, which is

(13:56):
probably what he did, and Kali didn't get back to him,
didn't and so now you're like, okay, it's like that.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
I well, then this is how I feel.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
Fuck you, And T Pain is not wrong for that
because again, this is the music industry, and we know
it's business. But through business and through you know, spending
so much time working with certain people, you build a relationship,
you build a chemistry, you build a friendship, you build
even family at some pople We've seen a lot of
people in the industry become family through working with each other,
and you know, sometimes it goes that way. Sometimes it's

(14:26):
you find out this person was just using and I
think that's what tea pain is at.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, where do you I mean, where do you fall
on the side of if you're not being used, you're useless?

Speaker 5 (14:38):
I mean, yes, not about pain, but no, no, no, no,
I give what you're saying, because.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
My problem with this whole thing is Khalid is creative
enough and T Pain is a goat. You could Kalient
and T Pain can make a hit record right now.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
But but you know it's I mean, listen, man, I'm
not the biggest cal Like I don't like.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Many of the Kalid projects. I don't go back to
a lot of those, the early ones. I definitely like,
well the early one. Yeah, that's who was on the
early ones. I think.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
So, what's the one with his son on the cover?
That is his son EPs? I love that one. Yeah,
I don't want to mispronounce his son's name, but yeah,
I love that. That was probably my last favorite Kala.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yeah, but I just don't you know, I get it, man,
And it's a tough pill to swallow when you realize
that people's only using you because you was hot at
the moment.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
But it's a real thing.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
And I mean, I hate to go back to the
first point of executive and DJ, like he's a DJ.
Even if you go to Flex, like, yeah, there's probably
artists that had two great records in ninety eight that
Flex played all the time. Does Flex owe them the
twenty twenty five record they want to put out?

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Like he's a DJ? He just moves on to the
next thing.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
But that's completely that's completely different.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I'm sure, and I hate to just put Flex in this,
even though I'm critical Flex, I don't want to put
something on his character. I'm sure Flex is called Mike
Geronimo brother before, and I love my drop, Like I'm
just using an example of somebody that had a great
record in the nineties. I'm sure Mike has went to
Flex after like yo, I got this other record and
Flex was moving on to DMX at that time, Like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
I'm just playing other show, so you could do that.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
Then I could say, do you think that if Pat
Poos ever went to Rest in Peace case Slave with
a record, Slave wouldn't have played.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
It wouldn't have happened. Fair wouldn't have happened.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
I'm trying to think, like with Clue now, because even Clue,
when I mean Rand is probably one of the best
rappers of twenty twenty five, twenty four, twenty three, But
I'm sure when Rand was trying to find a record, Yeah,
Clue played a lot.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Of Rand on the radio. Now I think about.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
It, so we know DJ's he had investment, and I
don't know Clue in Rand's actual personal relationship. I'm only
outside looking in about the entire thing. Clue had an
invested stock into eighteen with pitch in Ransom, so he
had a incentive outside of probably loving their music. He
wouldn't sign them if he didn't, but he had an
incentive to do so. I mean, does Kalent have an

(17:14):
incentive outside of ace hood is a different conversation, But
does kalit have an incentive outside of what's popular?

Speaker 5 (17:22):
I mean, but when it seems like when it seems
like you know, you have new famous friends and then
you forget about your olcaust T Pain is still famous.
And if you forget about this ever exist, you forget
about your old famous friends. That's corny to me. I
agree with you. I think get that port. That's all
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I'm just viewing it down to what T. Paint said.
Brother means nothing to the people in the music industry.
If your music industry friends that I like, I don't
know things in that way. You can't say that because
I don't operate that way. But I don't expect other
people that.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
I know and I don't either.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
But we can't say brother means nothing to pop in
the music industry because to some people in the music industry.
Brother does mean something, and I have plenty of examples
of brothers in the music industry for sure. So that's why,
you know, just just say brother, don't mean nothing to cal.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Palestine.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Its Palestine, Like it's okay, just say that, but don't
don't make it, you know, a music industry thing, because
we do know the music industry is very cutthroat and
it's very fucked up. But we also do know we
have a lot of great relationships with great friends and
great family in the music industry as well.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
All right, if Kali got super cold after the second album,
do you think T Pain would be like, Yo, let's
let's do a record in twenty twenty five. And Pain
never got cold? To me, I'm just using an example.
Do we think T Pain would do the same thing?

Speaker 3 (18:51):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Do you think he'd be like, all right, let's Kalid
because we had those first two projects, let's in twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I got you.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, we've seen We've seen Ortis do it all the time,
Artists that had hot records in the nineties, early two thousands,
and then they come back in twenty twenty five and
be like shit, Nads and Premier about to put out
their first album.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
But we're not I mean weird.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
No, I'm just saying, but they gave us something in
the nineties and been teasing an album for.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Years, fifteen years, I want to say.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
And now was finally it one of them picked up
that one of them picked up the phone that was like, Yo,
you know what I'm saying. And Nads could have been
like Yo, no, Premium, you ain't that hot right now.
To me, I'm just saying, I'm just saying he could.
I'm just saying he could have. He could have, especially
coming up all the hit boys shit, getting his first Grammy.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I just don't put Caleent in Premiere in the same.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
No, I'm talking about the relationship. Yeah, I'm talking about
people still, you know, holding people to a certain regard,
even no matter if they hot, cold, whatever it is.
If we made good chemistry together, make good songs, make
good music together, I don't care if you're not hot
right now, like we made we got we made some
shit together, and we probably still got some shit in
a hard drop that we need to go revisit.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
But I mean that speaks to Pream's character too, because
preem will. I mean that will work with anyone. That's
why I think he's a go. Outside of all the
amazing shit he did, but his Him and Na's relationship
started when Nas was nobody at nineteen and gave him
New York State a month. Pream was already on Rupp
home at Benout like Nas was nobody. He was like, yah,
I got you. Pream is just a different type of

(20:23):
human being in that regard. If he fucks with you,
doesn't matter how popular you are, he'll.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Say fuck and say brother means nothing to calvity.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Cream is an amazing human being, So say brother, I know,
I know Pream, Well, say he's the other way. Don't
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watch it because I thought it was gonna get taken
down because his lawyers did send some c and ds,
which once you get to episode two you start to
see why.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Listen.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
I finished the I finished the dock here last night
here before I went home, I was like, let me
watch it because I did feel like it was gonna
be taken down soon since cease and desist was sent out.
And I would have been mad because I watched the
first two episodes and I was like, oh shit, yeah,
so let me watch next to and listen if everything

(22:06):
in that doc is real and true. I think we all,
like we all owe a lot of people like damn
because we watched it happen. Yes, like years of watching
shit like it was right in front of us, things happened.
And you know, one of the things that I did
take away from the dock because you know, you go

(22:27):
back and they was you know, telling things that happened,
and then from people that really were close to Puff
and grew up with them and was there from day one,
and just hearing the way they spoke about them, and
then watching things you know that you know, happened publicly
and things it was definitely like damn, like, how the
fuck did this continue to just happen right in front
of us and nobody you know, and y'all know all

(22:49):
the time, I always say, people don't care, that we
pretend like we care, and when things happen like oh
my god, prayers, condolences, and then we hit scroll and
then there's no more prayers and condolences and things like that.
But the documentary did shed a lot of light on
a lot of things that I didn't know about, gave
the testimony of people that were, you know, spent a
lot of years around Diddy, working with him, whether it

(23:11):
was personal or just business. And I can see why
his lawyers did want to see some desist because it
does it can paint a different picture for people who
supported Diddy over the years. It definitely paints him in
an entirely different light, an entirely different perspective of the
man that many of us have supported over the years.

(23:34):
But overall, I thought it was a very informative doc.
I thought it was you know, it's fucked up what happened,
But it was a good documentary though.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, that's why you know, we gave fifty a little
bit of shit last episode, just because we thought, like,
all right, is this him just being petty because of
their history and his child's mother, and like, are we
going to get one of those clip together Hulu docs?
That is just like this was a money grabbing unnecessary
as far as it doc goes, it was very informative
and very well put together. Like episode one was, I thought,

(24:07):
I like really knew the Diddy story for the most part.
It was a very informative, ditty doc like just in
general about his life and his family life. But once
you get to episode two, things do start to fall
off the rails. Was there any new information on here
for you? Because I mean, I know we're a little
closer to everything than the average consumer when it comes

(24:30):
to this type of stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
As far as the music industry, I.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Know a lot of people learned a lot of things
for the first time in this dock, which I think
is great, But was there anything in here?

Speaker 3 (24:39):
You were like, yo, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 (24:40):
Well when they they said, uh that the Wallaser State
paid for the funeral, but then it came out to
prove that that wasn't true.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, wayless.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
The state did not pay for Biggie's a funeral. And
that's something that I was like, wait, hold up, like again,
if any of that is true? Yeah, and they're saying
that that's not true, But that was definitely one of
the things that I was completely thrown off by, Like
I was like, I never heard that, never knew that,
and if that is true, that's fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
In the dock, it explained it as if bad Boy
paid for the funeral, but it came out of Biggie's
recording budget, so it was a line item in a
P and L. But this morning, lour Leosa had went
on the Breakfast Club and said she spoke with Biggie's
estate slash former manager, and he said he has been
on the royalty statements since the very day that Big

(25:31):
passed away, and that never happened. Bad Boy paid for
everything that wasn't something that came out of the biggest budget.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Okay, so I have a question, this is Devil's advocate,
because I know everybody's bleeding hearts, but don't most humans
pay for their own funerals? So when people were like,
he didn't pay for his funeral, like, don't most people
pay for their own funerals, that doesn't happen.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
Well if you have life insurance and things like that,
like a policy. Yeah, But the thing was, the way
they said it in the dock made it seem like
it came directly out of like money that was his.
So essentially, look, Biggie made bad Boy money, right, So
even if bad Boy paid for it, in a way,

(26:12):
the Biggie paid for the funeral, right, Yeah, But the
way they broke it down, the way they explained it
in the doc, it made it seem like, you know,
because they were saying Puffer saying this is gonna be
the biggest funeral ever said or third, but Biggie's gonna
pay for it. So when you hear it that way,
you like and then they're saying like, yeah, he's the
one that came out of the wireless estate or whatever.

(26:32):
It was like, that's a little crazy if that's if
they did it that way, But in a way, yes,
you're right, you do kind.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Of you do pay for your own funeral.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
It does come out of funds that you have, whether
it's life insurance or you know, again being one of
the biggest artists in the world at that time, for
the label, if the label pays for it, you can
kind of say that you worked for it.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
You you gross that money for the label. So yeah,
I get it.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
But just hearing it that way was definitely like, what
do you mean, Biggie pay for his own funeral.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, it's more of a moral thing because like how
they even painted it in the dock with that segment,
it was like, all right, Big thought he was going
to London. Puff said, now we're going to go to
la to promote the album, even though we know it's
probably not safe. We've been getting death threats. Probably not
the best time to go over there. But they were
painting Puff's arrogance where he felt like he was so
bulletproof it didn't matter of what the truth was, so

(27:23):
he dragged Biggie there to promote an album that was
signed to bad Boy.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Unfortunately that happens to big.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Then he to most points says, it's about to be
the biggest funeral, but like, wait, does miss Wallace want
it to be the biggest.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Funeral if you're paying for it? All? Right?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Like cool, you can bad Boy up this entire thing
if you're paying for it. Then right after that, he
was supposed to get the cover of Rolling Stone, like
a few weeks after the funeral, and that was which
I've heard that before that. I'm pretty sure that's factual.
That was cruz crazy Allegedly, you don't pay for the funeral.
Now you switch the cover that was supposed to you know,

(27:57):
honor your your best friend to you because you have
to do the no out shit. You're leading single, which
makes you god knows how much money is I'll be
Missing You, which you promote immediately, which I get it's
a tribute song. But we know Puff's mind. Of course
he was morning, but he's gonna take advantage of that moment.
And yeah, it looked all nasty when you add.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
All those things together.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
If bigs family indeed had to pay for the entire thing,
but it turned out that that was not the.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Case and Puff did pay for it. But still nasty.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Well if so, if that can be questioned, then don't
we now question the integrity of the entire doc.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Well that's why lawyers love this type of shit and
why I know they're going to amplify that. Biggie's of
State said this because you know, it's similar to what
we even saw with Diddy's sexual assault cases, where we
saw the CASTI one and we saw the footage, but
then a bunch of people came out the woodworks where
stuff looked like, all right, this is true over here,

(28:55):
but this seems like some bullshit money grab kicking while
he's down. Maybe he'll settle type of thing. And that's
what lawyers used to be, like, see, this case is bullshit,
so everything must be bullshit, and that's never really what
it is. Yeah, Like sometimes misunderstandings happened in there. I
don't know if there was much in the doc that
couldn't be proven to be true outside of that one.

(29:17):
I mean, I think the Tupac thing, they didn't say
it in a fact, they alluded to it, but which
I mean we can discuss. Do I think just speculation?
No one knows this to be a fact. Do I
think that Puff probably said to some gang members in
passing or in a room, put some money on their heads.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, I do think that happened.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
But do I think the people that allegedly killed Tupac
went to Vegas with the thought, we're going there to
kill Tupac so we can get the bounty money that.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Puff put up.

Speaker 7 (29:51):
No.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I think Pop punched the wrong crip that had a
beef with the people he was rolling with, and crips
do what crips do. That was and then they whether
there was a bounty or not. I think those crips
do what they did regardless. Now, once it's done, I
might as well go collect some money for it too.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
Yeah, that's that was the kind of what I took
from it. It's just something that just happened to happen
that night after a conversation however many days or weeks ago,
so it kind of lined up that way. But you know, overall,
the documentary to me, just it gives a different perspective
on somebody that we've only known publicly, not much personal

(30:36):
knowledge of the type of person that he is. But
just again to hear those people talking. I forgot the
gentleman's name that was actually with bad Boy from day one,
who he took the twenty five percent stocking bad Boy from. Yeah,
just hearing him talk and then you know, it's like
guys like that, you know, here's somebody that we've never

(30:57):
heard from. I've never seen him sit down and talk
about that. I just don't think that he would sit
there and fabricate something at this point, like what does
he have to gain from that? Yeah, you know what,
I mean, his story, his truth, whatever happened, and you
know why he signed over to twenty five percent that
he owned a bad Boy. I mean, I just think
that he I don't think that he has to lie

(31:18):
about those type of things and circumstances that happened around
that whole thing. But overall, I mean, it was very informative.
It shed some light on a lot of things. Hearing
from testimony from certain people. Even some of the jurors
spoke about why they didn't find him guilty on you know,
the sexual assault charges and things like that, and the

(31:39):
juris said it was like, yo, it's hard to you know,
find him guilty of that. Yes, we see the tape
and we see the video of him assaulting a woman,
but then we also have footage of them hours laid at.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
A galla together.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
And I know how you know, abuse is whether it's physical,
whether it's verbal, you know, whether it's mental. You know,
people are victims and you know, but it's hard, hard
to tell a jury to find somebody guilty of this
when you have more footage, you know, of them on
vacations together, after that, and this, that, and third, it's like, well, yes,
we do think that this was toxic, this was wrong.

(32:13):
Things happen, But at the same time, do we find
him guilty of these things? Because it does take you know,
it takes too.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
And to give the jurs some grace there too, I
blame more of the prosecution, like, yeah, we all saw
the CASI tapes, Like that's not what he was charged for.
Do I think Diddy is a guilty human being? Of
course I do. Yeah, But you guys put up a
bunch of shit that you couldn't even really prove happened,

(32:42):
and all the stuff that we did know to be true,
he's not charged for. So if I'm a jury, ib
was sitting there like, yeah, I think guy's a piece
of shit. But this is the system America has made
where you have to prove the charges that you have
right here, and you're not doing that. So what am
I supposed to do? Yeah, say he's guilty for something
that's not in the court right now.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
I can't do that. One.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
The one thing that stood out to me in the
dock was how around every tragic thing that happened in
his life, he was the one that came out of it,
you know, whether it's like his career elevated out of
each of these tragedies. And that's kind of like that
raises an nob bra, like how come you the only

(33:20):
one that benefited from these tragedies? Like life got you
know from I guess from what we see and what
we know, seems like life got better for you after
these tragedies. Success happens, you know, and it's like, why
is that?

Speaker 3 (33:36):
To me?

Speaker 5 (33:36):
That's what the one thing I took from the dock,
Like even going back to the city college, you know
stampede that happened. You know, at that time, Puff was
just a party parole in the city, young kid throwing parties,
you know, bringing people together trying to have a good time.
But even out of that there was an elevation. You
go to get the uptown after that, you know what

(33:58):
I'm saying, and then you and Andre Herrell for all
out and then you take what you learn from Andre
Horral where you know, like I'll be showing these peoples
talking like none of these guys got really paid from uptown,
like they got that that they advanced. But after that,
a lot of these artists struggled. Go to bad boys,
start your thing. A lot of those artists can say
the same thing. Craig mac has, He's Grammy nominated, he

(34:21):
has a number one song and barely pays bills. And
then he asks you for money and his wife says,
you pull out one hundred dollars bill and give it
to him.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
It's like for people to have these stories, it's like.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Something somebody ain't Everybody can't be lying, like that's just
my thing. When everybody get to talking, it's like everybody
can't be lying.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Now is this some things that you know? Is it
one hundred percent true?

Speaker 5 (34:45):
And maybe that's their perspective on how things happen. We
understand how things get a little blurry. Did but the
bottom line is when you look at, you know, the
things that happen as far as the tragedies, and then
look and saw how Puff was able to elevate from
that and and was the one that kind of became,
you know, to star and things like that, it does

(35:06):
raise an eyebro like that's something that you kind of
got to look at with a side eye, like something
ain't right here.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Yeah, I mean it.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Puff came across as probably the greatest self preservation human
being I've ever seen. To your point, every time something
bad happened to everyone, including himself in that circle, he
would find a way for everyone else to be the
fall people and for him to continue on no matter
what scheme or way he had to go about it.

(35:33):
He will always gonna self preserve no matter what, even
with the bad Boy family. Mm hm, well, I'm not
going down right. I gotta keep the family movement. Do
you think that started around the City College thing? Because
I almost watched it like kind of in reverse in
my head towards the end thinking of that that moment, Yes,
Puff was just a young party promoter. Should the cops

(35:53):
probably had a better structure there? Should Puff have maybe
had better security. Of course, there's a bunch of what
is there not saying he's completely innocent, but he's throwing
a charity bass.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
He doesn't know about that shit yet. It's unfortunate what.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Happened because he got out of that scott free, and
then even said himself at that point, I had never
been that famous in my life. I immediately became famous
because of a tragedy. Do you think that started the
mindset he had of being so metaphorically bulletproof in any situation.

(36:24):
I can get away with anything, I can have someone
Shug's man in front of a fucking club in Atlanta
was gonna happen to me. I can shoot up a
club with j Lo. Nothing's gonna happen to me Like that,
I think is where he started to build that mentality,
along with drugs, to just start seeing the world as
objects and opportunities. Like kim Porter, that was opportunity. He had.

(36:47):
Clearly had a very fragile and crazy ego. So because
that was Albi Shore's girl, I'm gonna get her me,
he says his other baby mother. Oh that's somebody else's
fifties baby. Like he has that mentality where this isn't
because I want that woman, because I want that object opportunity.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
And ego boost for the people around me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
That I think just built more and more throughout the
years because he he never really took an l Yeah,
I like, I don't get it, but I could see
how that trajectory mixed with pink cocaine could get you
to the place that he treats the world the way
he does. Of course I can beat up Cassie. Why
why can't I do that? Look at everything I've done

(37:26):
and gotten away with. It's almost like he has like
the mentality of like that rich kid that had a
billionaire father that knew they could do anything and dad
will get him out of.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
It, but Puff would get himself out of it.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I think he had that same mentality. As the years
went on, well.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
I mean people that grew up with him and they
spoke to that, Yeah, how they started to see the change.
And then Mark Curry was talking about the intro and
the album things. He was saying, you know, now he's
talking like a gangster. I'll put a million dollars on
your head, get you raised. He marks, like, the fuck
what did that like? When you start talking like that,
Like so you know, you got to look at those

(38:03):
things and kind of say, okay, yeah, where did it start?
And I think the documentary did a good job at
kind of trying to point that out, like when the
ego came into play, when the god complex came into play,
and then you know, talking to people who were directly
close to him, who were speaking to certain things that
they saw and experienced, and you know, and again.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
You watch it, you take what you take from it.
I don't think I learned too much.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
I mean, it was interesting to see them put everything
together from the very beginning of you know, puff being
a party promoter and trying to get into the industry
to where he ultimately ended up today.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
I thought they did a good job with that.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
But overall, I mean, you know, definitely probably one of
the better did He documentaries I think I watched.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, I mean it's definitely in a way different way
up there with the Apple music what was that Can't
Stop Won Stop about just bad Boy in general? I
think I maybe like that one better because I didn't
know about all of this shit where it was like,
oh I can enjoy the music and the artists and this,
you know, was obviously a tough watch. But back to
the God Complex thing. Did you ever see the Anthony

(39:12):
Wiener documentary? I suggest everyone go back and white. It's
a very fascinating documentary just about the last year of
him in politics and him getting caught again when he
was running for mayor, like everyone kind of forgave him,
and then it was like, wait, you're still sending dick
pics to young girls, Like fuck is wrong. They filmed
the entire thing, and the whole time I'm watching it,
I'm going, why is Anthony Wiener allowing them to film this?

(39:33):
Why am I able to see these moments? I felt
that would puff two of the God Complex? Why are
you being filmed in a hotel talking to your lawyer
that way about what type of defense that you need? Yeah, like,
where in your brain?

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Why are you filming this?

Speaker 5 (39:49):
That was the one thing that even with the Diddy ja,
It's like, how did fifty get his hands on this?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
So like that happen.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
There's been conflicting reports with what I did see that
seems like it would be the a troop of one.
Netflix was somewhat involved with Diddy shooting a documentary going
into the trial stuff because Puff was very confident in
his god complex that he was going to be found innocent,
and once again, to your point, he would try umph
fall from the ashes, and here comes Puff with this

(40:17):
doc of like, damn, look what we put him through
with the trial trial, and he was innocent the whole time.
I think that's what Puff had in mind. And I
think Netflix was already involved. Once you get arrested, I
don't really know what happens with the rights of stuff
or if anyone got paid. Netflix may have owned that footage. Yeah,
and then you know, here comes fifty. You guys own what?

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah? I know, wait what did you say?

Speaker 7 (40:37):
I know what?

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Editor fifty probably opened his mac book and was like,
you know what, I'll do it.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, man, the part with little Rod. Little Rod is
his name.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, I feel bad for him. I don't feel bad
laughing at some of the stuff that was in the
reports just because how it read. I think as humans
were allowed to laugh sometimes when something appears to just
sound funny when you read it in paperwork. But once
like he humanized it and you heard it from him.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah, I was like, he got done done. I'm sorry man. Yeah,
they did him dirty.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Outside of the adult grooming producer grooming. Also, what do
you get like seventeen k or some shit?

Speaker 3 (41:19):
No, he said he got twenty twenty nine thousand that album.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
And then those voice notes like pure god, complex manipulation,
like puff, I was just on a yacht. Whld you
spend one hundred grand on gas for that thing? Can
you pay me the money that you already said.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
You owed me?

Speaker 6 (41:35):
How much did he say that he owed him? I
didn't watch.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
He said two fifty was what he was supposed to
get for producing on the Love album.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah, he ended up getting like nine thousand out of
two hundred and fifty thousand, and Pope said he was
gonna give them. Yeah, man, it's tough, man, and it's not.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
And you know, the fucked up part is it's so
many people that have a story like that in industry,
do some incredible records, incredible songs, and you know, just
because you're chasing the dream, and you know, you get
flown out to fucking Italy on the yacht with with
you know, somebody that you looked up to as a kid,
and now you're working with him and producing music with him,

(42:14):
and he telling you're gonna give you two hundred and
fifty thousand, you like, fuck it, whatever I gotta do
to get this album done.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
And you know, like if I.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
Got to witness some crazy shit, if I got to
be a part of some crazy shit, you know, it's
just it's fucked up with people pray on people like
that because they know that they need that opportunity and
they you know, they need that that moment to kind
of like be able to, like you said, take care
of his family and his kids and have his kids
be able to take care of their kids. That's what
he was chasing, and that was that was his you know,
his goal. But voice notes man Puff was like, Yo,

(42:45):
you know what I'm saying, Like, I know, you know
what I'm saying. I know you ain't going crazy. I
was like that manipulation and.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Then like now I feel like I got to look
at you crazy. Yeah, like I don't want to look
at you crazy. Wait, I'm crazy because I asking for
the money that you you said that you would pay me.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
You came up with that number. I didn't come up
with that number.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, it's tough, but that's also like and I won't
say it doesn't happen in other businesses, but adding on
to why the music industry is so fucked fucked up.
A lot of that weird shit can happen in the
environment of creating music, like blocking out for the Love Sessions. Shit,
I came on the spot, I went, I went to
one of the Love Sessions. I was trying to get
on that fucking album. Nothing crazy was happening in there

(43:28):
at all. But when you're blocking something out for a month, Yeah,
if I leave at one am, I don't know what
the fuck is happening at three am. But a lot
of producers are still there, actually there just to make music.
Now you're complicit into this whole thing. Like I don't
think Lil Rod did anything wrong when they went to
the strip club on the boat. Yo, take this bad
way hat on. They know what it means, Like, I'm

(43:49):
here to produce, man like. But I get why little
robouls would be like, all right, man, we just have.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
A woman to go. I'm not doing anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
But not realizing that you are now complacent in a
way bigger sex ring right now that you have no idea,
you're thinking, oh, he said, I'm the next member of
the hit Man. I'll take a bad boy hat. Let
me walk around the strip club with it, not knowing
that you are. Now they know that's the flag. Oh
there's the guy that we need to go to to

(44:16):
sell pussy. Yeah, perfect, we'll go to him. And Little
Ro's like, well, I'm going back to the studio.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Yeah, go back to it. We're all going back. Yeah.
It was tough though. Did you watch it? Baby? Did
you finish it?

Speaker 7 (44:26):
No?

Speaker 6 (44:26):
I didn't. I was just I haven't even started it,
that's all I was.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Yeah, you should finish it before before it's taken down. Yeah,
well I do think it'll be taken down eventually. The
Aubrey O'Day segment was really tough to watch.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
I heard about that.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
I feel for her.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
She told her story of somebody on the staff had
walked into one of the studios where Puff.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
And another gentleman were having sex with her.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
She looked really out of it, slump, like she had
clearly been drugged. She has no recollection of this whatsoever.
But you could imagine the toll that would put on
you if somebody was like I one hundred percent, no,
I walked in on you Puff and another gentleman having sex,
and you're like, I've that never happened, and now you're
starting to question everything because you know, there's been crazy

(45:12):
practices with shit getting drugged and this and that. And
she even said if this person's lying and I keep
going with it, now that gives Puff's team even more ammo.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
And she's like, I know, fucked up things happen.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
So if I pursue this and it ends up not
being true, now it's like, hey, look they're lying over here. Yeah,
so she's in a weird conflicted position there.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
I can't imagine because that came out in one of
the civil super accusers having said that in her affidavit
that I can't imagine hearing that for the first time, Like,
oh yeah, by the way he raped you too, you
was like knocked out, slumped and he's like what.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Yeah, that's wow.

Speaker 6 (45:48):
That's like what.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
I want to ask the Marius.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Have you ever been in a situation or seen the
situation with two female best friends, you.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Know, the women that are besties.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
They're not bisexual with their besties, and they're fake gay
with each other, Like they would never like smoking each
other's mind. Yeah, they would never bump coochiese. They're not like,
but they'll you know, Cuchi, they'll kiss after the hookah thing,
just for like last or like do a selfie. They're
not really bisexual, they're just drunk and besties. Has there
been a situation where one wasn't doing the bestie plus

(46:26):
and the other bestie had to find that out.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
The hard way?

Speaker 6 (46:29):
Yes, that happens very well.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
One wasn't doing the bestI.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
What Sometimes one girl is actually bisexual and this isn't
just fun bestI energy at the Hoopa spot. She's here
for game time. Some of them don't wants to bump kuccies.

Speaker 6 (46:40):
Some of them don't know though. Some of them don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Some of them don't know what.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
So A lot some women will have that relationship with
a close friend of theirs and not realize that they're
really sexually attracted until they've been doing the whole fake
gay thing and it's like, oh, like it's stirring up
feelings in me?

Speaker 6 (46:56):
Yeah, for sure, they don't. That's how I found out
I was there.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
How did you find out you were gay?

Speaker 4 (47:01):
I found that out from playing gay and realizing, oh, I'm.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
Not playing Yeah. I found that out when I was younger.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Now it was the bestie she was bisexual and was
trying to turn you out.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Okay, No, she was straight and y'all had This is
something that y'all would do when y'all was like hanging out.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Just just I don't want to get too deep into
detail with it for her own protection, but yeah, like yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Her own protection is crazy these days. This is your friend.
But they put our ad on the internet, so you.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Know, the marriage finding out she's gay because she was
just playing around.

Speaker 6 (47:38):
Bro, it happened. It happens a lot.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
It happens every episode of Euphoria. It's like I wasn't gay,
I am now gay.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Oh my god, that is hilarious. I'm sure that happens
a lot. But sometimes, like you know how, that's why
I tell the niggas, don't play gay games with me.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
You're gonna find out what not what male besties to
do that.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
But you know that, you know the white people, white
fret boy.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Y'all play the games, y'all, y'all do the games where y'all,
you know.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Get drunk and kiss my homeboy, Like now you grab
a ball in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
I've never got grabbing a ball in the locker if
it ain't a basketball period, like you know, you know,
the games that white boys play like I'll be staying
there and told them to a girl my wife friend
come up behind me and pull my shorts.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Down, like you know, okay, So that's that's hard games,
the games, the fright games.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Y'all play those type of games each other's ass.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
But like gripping, gripping the like the cuff, good game,
but you gripped the cuff.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
No, niggas, we ain't play that in my hood. That that never,
that game didn't.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Make it uptown after a good game. It's fucking yeah,
like leaving your.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Hand like that. We didn't need that jump shot that
bad when you got to grab my ass.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
But I always thought that that good game ship was
weird anyway, that nigga has mad body parts.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
Why are you tapping his ass?

Speaker 5 (48:49):
Well, it's not really like we're not looking at it
like tapping his ass. It's kind of like a pad
on the.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Back like, but it's mad back like the man's ass
as little as it's mad back. You nah, you skipped
the back and go and tap his ass.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
It's a little home more erotic.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
I'm not here to defend it. I don't I don't
fully understand it either, but I mean, I guess because
your arms are there after the free throw.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
It's just like in reaching distance, I'm not going I can't.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I didn't invent it.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
Participation. I'm a victim of that as well. Like I've
done it, I've received it, Like I just be honest,
I played both growing up, like, but we weren't looking
at it like yo, that's some weird ship.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
It was just ship that we did.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
But and then when nigga suck her out, don't like,
have no meat on your ass. The nigga sucker on it,
slap y'all, like, good game you and you got recoil crazy, Yeah,
jiggling after that's fucking crazy.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Your ass having recoiled as a man is wild though,
Like that is wow.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
And somebody notices it, like you got the football tights
on me?

Speaker 4 (49:52):
So yeah, like because because that's my thing. Like so
you y'all do that to like even no ass, even
the home because everybody know the football player with the
fat ass. Like we all went to school with the
football player with the fat ass. You're telling me you
tapped his ass and you ain't feel.

Speaker 6 (50:04):
It bounce back.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Nah, your niggas is gay.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I don't care we had on gloves. I didn't play football.

Speaker 6 (50:14):
Basketball shorts looser.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
Yeah, listen, baby, I'm not I'm not here to argue
with you defended it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
It's it is some weird ship.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
Like I get it, but we weren't looking at it
through that lens of y'all.

Speaker 6 (50:26):
Wasn't somebod y'all. That's how some of y'all I was gay.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
That's the fact I well, I definitely wasn't looking through
it through that lens. I definitely I didn't. That's why
I stopped playing balls so many years ago.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
That's why you gave up the game.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I was like, yeah, the same for me.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
You would have went to the league. If they wasn't
slapping as they.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Wasn't slapping ashes, I might have went pro. I ain't gonna.
I might have went pro. That's how straight you are.
I gave up.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
I was like, I don't like that ship. So what
happens if you get up after this and peage goes good? Pard,
You're know we're not doing sexual harassle. Definitely that would
be funny if an athlete, because you would have some
grounds for that.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
You're in the workplace.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, if my teammate smacked me on the ass after
a free throw. I'm in the workplace, I'm on the clock.
I didn't ask for that.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
That's just weird, though, but I get it.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
But baby DM, I'm glad you shed light on the
finding out how you're gay.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
I think that's important. I think women need to hear that.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
I mean, but I was very young.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
I won't say which age again because it will expose
the friend, but I was very young.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
So I just think it happens a lot in adulthood because,
as we said, women aren't really friends with each other,
and they meet like a lot of friends, like at
the club and become besties. They're like, they'll have ig
batty friends.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
I think of the gay and I think some of
the studio sessions and say that you're your friends.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
I'm so tired of y'all shooting at women.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Y'all be meet, y'all be meeting at a bar, y'all
be meet, and niggas at the bar, y'all happen to
be fucking two bitches.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
That's cool. Now y'all friends like y'all in.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
The studio together, And now y'all that's survival. Yeah, if
I got a double date, at least, like, let me
try to get along with me.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
I've never met a random man at a bar and
we're still friends to this day. Let me just put
that up there. You have done that either, it's never had.
That's a wild thing.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
Y'all meet the random homie of a random homie and
now your friends Like now y'all boys, not y'all a boys.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Shit.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
So you mean like I brings a friend in here
and like we all kicking it and like now your friends,
Well not today, I'm not gonna leave, Like, yo, that's
my friend.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
But like if he's around for the next.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
Two three years and we hanging out te people meet, yeah,
like yeah, that's like, yo, that I met him.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Like damn, you didn't know that girl and you got
to know where and married her. That's the marriage.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Do the same thing. We're not doing.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
We're gonna do that.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
We're not right, not not this week, not that, this
today is not this is not the week.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
This is not the week for that. Okay, I'm sorry
because I.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
Know where you're going and I don't want to have
to steer you out.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
You know, I'm not I'm not I would never do that.
I'm not going there I'm not going there.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
What's fucked up is that is a double standard with men.
Like women can meet their friends any and everywhere. Men like, yeah,
we would look at you a little weird if he
was like, yeah, you know, I was just you know,
having a beer and he was right next to me
and we became friends.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah, you can't. We can't meet each other. I think
that guy has something else on his mind.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
Yeah, we can't meet. We can't because then it's like, Yo,
what's up with your men? Why keep hitting trying to
talk and text me?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
What's like you have to be like and like we
kicked it, and like you can't just meet men and
be friends with them.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
But see, that's why the male loneliness epidemic. Yeah, ain't
got no fucking friends because y'all be afraid to meet people.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Not afraid. I just don't fuck with people.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
You should probably fuck with people just randomly chatting it up.

Speaker 6 (53:31):
You got four hundred brothers and sister.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
I got my friends, I got I'm cool. I don't
need like to meet new friends.

Speaker 6 (53:39):
You had a best friend, all, Yeah, what's his name?

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Mike?

Speaker 6 (53:42):
Mike?

Speaker 4 (53:43):
I ain't never heard of Mike. Why I never met
Mike before. Mm hm, no, it's not ringing a bell either.

Speaker 6 (53:50):
He ever ever been around?

Speaker 5 (53:51):
He was, he came to the he came when we
had the He was here when we had the people
pull up for the party.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Oh, you might have left he pulled up as I
don't think that was there. You met him? What God
owns the store? Oh shit, yeah, a bunch of times. Okay,
he was here, he came in.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
You might have left though, Yeah, But that's wh like
we grew up together, Like I might have known him
since I was like.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
So like he will say Malla is my best friend.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
I mean, I don't know if we say best friends.
We wouldn't say that. We don't put that on.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
It MySpace topic. You guys will both be number one.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
That's a little weird too, but like we know like that,
that's that's like family. At this point, I was like,
I think I was eleven and he was nine when
we first met.

Speaker 6 (54:30):
So is that what makes men best friends? Is that time?
Is it time?

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Because Rory's best friend has been his best friend since
he was like seven too. So I always wonder what
men like because I know what women. It's about who
we feel closest to. With men, is it like.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
Well for me, well for me, I'm speaking for myself,
it's yes, time, but it's also experiences is also going
through things together and then like just that bond of
like we cannot speak for three months like at all,
and then I and call him. We pick up right
where we left off three months ago, like we don't
have to see each other every day. He got his life,

(55:06):
his family, I got my life, you know what I'm saying.
It's like, yes, like we don't have to like our relationship,
our bond is not continued on to speaking every day,
like I don't need to speak to nobody every single day,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like, you know,
you know what somebody is because you've been through some
things and loyalty was tested and you know things like that,

(55:27):
integrity was tested and you just see who somebody is
and then you look up at black damn like we
known each other over thirty years, Like this shit is crazy.
So yeah, that's like I can't even say best friend.
That's that's family at this point, that's not even like
a best friend.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah, because even like yeah, I think women define best
friend differently too, because there may be people I'm closer
with than my best friend at the moment, just because
of where my life is. To your point, I'm not
to speaking, but that's still my best friend been thirty years,
but we don't speak every day like I I'm probably
closer with Raven on like ravens like like daily talking

(56:05):
about what's going on in my life than him. But
I wouldn't say that Raven is my best best I
don't know.

Speaker 6 (56:11):
I would say your best friend.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
She's definitely one of my best friends for sure, But
I don't know that the family it is Raven is fair.
That's not That's what I'm saying. I can't put best.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
Your best friends should be family like your best friend
should be fan.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Yes, agreed, I didn't mean my best friend in the
bar over a beer. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
But also what men require from their friendships as well
known that y'all don't require much.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Men don't require much. We don't know.

Speaker 6 (56:37):
It's just the things y'all require.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Those are the important things.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Loyalty, honesty, y'all loves requiring loyalty and not giving it out.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
N that's that's that's young niggas that do that. That's
little boys that don't grown man talk.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Cheating is a young young.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
Boy sport who brought up a rich man sport that too,
But you nah, you when you loyals, it's just something
that you don't even have to think about.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
It's just who you are. You have to think about it. Yeah, William,
what so don't put me in that box, baby, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
On Sunday, Sunday, with my free afternoon, I'm gonna go
to the bar and just just chat it up with
a fella.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
You should, I'm serious. You never know what you have
in common with people, and then you'll be like, girls
aren't really friends. You guys that meet each other at
a club and suddenly your friends. It's like, well, yeah,
girls make connection. And then if hey, if I'm getting
to notice person and they become deeper in my life,
they become deeper in my life.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
If not, then we get rid of I'm bitch weird.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
But if I go to a bar and a random
man just starts having conversations with me and he's not
the one making my drinks, get the fuck away from me.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
He's either gay or I'm getting lined. Yeah, it's one
of those. That's just the world we live.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
Either he's trying to take me home, or he's trying
to take my kidney.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Not a way an organ is involved.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Not the way is not happening.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
I'm an organ, dona that night regardless.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
But uh, but but sometimes like I've been to like
I've been on the phone with a man who was
at a bar and like there was like a chatty
white boy next to him.

Speaker 6 (58:09):
He drunk.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
He just yet he hate his wife. He just needs
somebody to talk to. Like I think that that's like
as humans, that.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
We talk to somebody the airport bar, but we knew
that we're getting on separate flights and never I don't
even want to know.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Yeah, we've never seen each other.

Speaker 6 (58:22):
What if you guys have, like you know, you could
do business together.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Well, that's that's different.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
Yeah, if the conversation goes there and you find out
like he does something and y'all kind of in the
same industry, like yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
And then you guys become friends.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
I don't know about that. It's a little gay. That's gay.
Jersey swapping is gay.

Speaker 6 (58:41):
What's jersey swapping?

Speaker 3 (58:43):
After games?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Athletes will swap jerseys and take photos, and now people
are doing it outside of the club with their button
up shirts.

Speaker 6 (58:49):
Man, I'm not see that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
I can see Peach doing that though he's definitely that's
definitely Peas peachbag.

Speaker 7 (59:00):
No people, I don't think there's anything to strangers at
the bar, but like to continue on, I get at
your local like cheers, like that guy's there every time
you're there.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
I could see you forming some type of a friendship.
But to just go to a random bar meet a
guy like let's exchange numbers and get lunch.

Speaker 5 (59:20):
But listen, I know it sounds crazy. It's just because
would be with it. He'll be, he'll be and to
be women like he'll be talking to a woman.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Man, pease be no peace, be talking about that mad
fellas like at the bar.

Speaker 6 (59:33):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Fellas, Like if you're sitting there talking about the game,
like that's not holding or like yeah that's different, like
we're watching the game. That's fine.

Speaker 6 (59:44):
Y'all should stop.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
But I've said this plenty of times when y'all say
women we can't do anything, or women call us gay, No,
it'd be y'all. Y'all put so many gay strengths on
each other, like just be humans and you would have
so much more fulfilling.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
Through were talking ship, Like, of course, so I go
to a bar, I've had com conversations with.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
What you can tell, you can number, we're not doing
that usually anytime going out, there's a lot of mutual
Like if I'm talking to this person, they know somebody
that I know that's here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
So that's why I've never found out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I'm saying, just if I go across the street and
just sit down and just start chatting it up and
then find out how to come see the office, And
you guys are like, how'd you meet him?

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Like, oh, we met at a bar.

Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
Fire.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
I don't know, there's nothing fire about that. Get this
fucking random guy out of here before he kills all
of

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Us, And where's our skin for a fucking jacket, like