Episode 107 | Benny The Butcher Is Done Talking About Freddie Gibbs - New Rory & MAL

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No worry.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Bagging up white in the middle of the room. Middle
he sitting in Omyra in the middle of June.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Well, I'm from Niggas is full. Let's be picked up
with you, guy.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I even got it on me when I picked.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
My kids U from school. All right, welcome to another
episode under my Rory and Mall podcast. Iron All im
Ury and we are sitting here today in Atlanta with
h somebody who I've been dying to talk to because
at one time we were really really good friends. Man.
And I don't even get a phone call no more.
I don't get text no more. This nigga that blew
up been around the world twice.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Texas are green now, yeah, it's my green.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
This is this is my my guy. I'm just, you know,
so happy that we are able to link up here
in Atlanta today for a special special episode with my guy,
my family, my brother Beny, the Butcher's up, and my boys. Man,
no man, real man, and stop that man now listen, man,
you know.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I will say time to have James Bennie. I feel
like I could get a hold of you a lot
easier before too.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
I don't know, twisted, you know, this is what I
always wanted for you.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
You know, I always wanted this for you. Bro. You
know from from day one, man, I knew you was
a start. I'm just happy to be, you know, able
to link up with you and just tell you in person. Man,
I'm proud of you. I'm happy for you. Good to
see you look good. Right, we're still talking your ship.
Every time I hear you talking and smile, I'm like, okay,
he's still shop. As long as you stay shoped. I
don't give if I don't never hear from you. Every

(01:25):
time I hear you, I want to hear you talk
that ship. You're gonna hear from my dog man.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, I always I always like to say this man,
that when you when you played that record that day,
I was living in the projects.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
You know what I'm saying. I could was off my
first break on the old podcast that we did. Yeah,
that's when you know, I think it started for me.
And when I heard that from you, I mean everything
that you are your success today, I knew, I knew
you You're still not a and I you're not doing
that yo. You know what it is, man, I just

(01:59):
feel like now you know you try to I like
when it's an organic thing. Like with me and you,
it was organic, like I heard your music. We had
never met before that. I heard your my first brick
tape and I played the record, and then from that
point on, you and I connected on the personal level.
Came to haul them by the crib, smoke, drank, talk, shit,

(02:20):
and we just developed a bond since then. So a
lot of these artists now, I feel like it's hard
to connect to them on that level, man, because they
feel they come in feeling like they know everything already,
like you cut from a different cloth, you know what
I'm saying. It's like now a lot of these young
artist they're young, right nineteen or twenty twenty one years old,
they feel like they know everything. You can't tell them
nothing because they got However, many followers on social media

(02:41):
and shit like that. It's like, all right, you got it.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
And I see so many of our listeners are always like,
you know, mall behin or most to be a manager
sign these acts all that. I'm like, so you want
more to have a whole new career, Like I don't
think people realize like the time and effort it takes
to like really signing artists and what that ship take.
So like, rather we could just put artists on that
we like and yeah you want to play the music

(03:07):
like exactly if we like it, we like it.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
It's rather than stuff like that. Man. And if you
need me, if you need my help, right, I'm willing
to you know what I'm saying, Like if somebody reached
out and like, yo, broken, you introduced me to this
person that can you help me with this wish? How
should I go about this? I'm always willing to do
that for just off the strength I believe in somebody.
And obviously you know what it is between between him
and just free merch.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
That's all I need.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
That's what he sent me, some merch. Every time he
drops some ship, just send.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Me a pack.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Oh yeah, I got stuff down here too.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
All right.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Sure, any time I've ever asked for any merch, Derek
can hit me with a link and say, yo, you
could buy it here.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
That's how that's how to do me. That's how he
do all right. So I don't feel bad you got
to go through that. I don't feel bad.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'd rather get it off the link because if you're
trying to get it from West, he's gonna give it
to you when you feels like it.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Oh yeah, when drop or what? Oh what he thinks
you should have?

Speaker 4 (04:01):
What I'm saying, like he might do a drop, he
might do three drops and don't give you nothing the
next one. Hem like yo, buzz, pull up, I got
something for you. Yeah, you're like, man, I wanted that
the mother things though, and that's when he sent me
the link.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Well, we're down here for Hip Hop Awards. You're nominated
Lyricists of the Year more and I were a little critical.
I think of that category.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
I'm not too critical, but critical.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
I feel like it's just not all lyricists in there,
or lyricists for the time in which the year cycle
should be.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I get it. I get it. Yeah, they moved the
gold post a little bit. We all love hoh, but
god damn over O work one day out the year
he nominated. But you know we understand what that.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
No, they want to clude that. They want to include
the big homie and everything.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, but it's not fair. It's not fair because it's
like my nigga, that's whole bro, Like, we can't He's
lyricists of the fucking life.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
To you, and he didn't put anything out in the
year except maybe the Push Verse.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Somebody asked me asked, she was like, Yo, you think
you could have wrote a better first Ay?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Fuck with me.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
They like, you think you could have wrote a better
verse than on God Did and whole I'm like, Hope
lived too long and seemed too much, very much for
anybody to write a better verse when it's the content,
you know what I'm saying. He get crazy with the content.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
So what's what's your relationship with cald I've always found
it interesting with the last two Kalid albums that Grisela
wasn't even brought up a part of it, because I
feel like Kaled is tapped in not just with you know,
whatever's on Billboard at the time.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
But I don't.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
But personally me, I don't. I don't have a relationship
with cal It I met. I met him one time.
It was Grammy weekend. I was going inside the party,
he was coming out. But he said, it's like, yo,
I love what you're doing. Congratulations, he told me congratulations.
I'm like, damn telling me congratulations. I told him the
same thing. But man, I'm a fan, definitely a fan.
I love what he's doing. He do everything at a
high level, and everybody want that.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
It's like it's like it's like an all star game.
Everybody want that call up. You know what I'm saying
from cal it when when he was putting them records together,
I just want to win, win, I mean joints some
kind of records back then.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
So we have We did the show with we did
the episode with.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
DJ Drama, and I've seen that with Drama is getting
spicy around here. Drama's not playing.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Well, you know what it is.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
I like the new found spice that.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
He feels like he has to because nobody is acknowledging
him as much as they should. Probably in Drama is
a fucking legend, and I agree with that. Yeah, like
sometimes you have to not not ring your own bell,
but you gotta like pause. That sounds crazy, but not
not not. You can't be humble like too long because
then it's easy for them to forget about you and
push you to the side. It's like, yo, do y'all

(06:34):
know what this dude been doing the last twenty years,
Like he's been doing a lot. So right now where
you're at with Benny the Butcher, the artists, what would
mean more to you a gangster grill or DJ Khaled
album feature.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I would have to say, you know that's that's that's me.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
I can answer that literally, like you got to step
in and get your gangster grills.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
You gotta I done that.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
I did the Black Souprano Family gangster grubs, and I
want my own gangster grills. Every rapper wants a gangster
grill the same way. You want to get that call up.
But you you got to come in. You see Symbol
coming in with his gangster grills. We see when when
them dedications, Wayne was letting you know, like, no, I'm
I'm I'm I mean, I'm on my body, like I'm
I'm different.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (07:24):
When you when you get them gangster grulls, it's like, no,
I'm different, BENI sieg, I'm different. Everybody who done knows
Gucci man, I'm different. So it's like you got to
get that. You might start, you might start with the
gangster grills and let them know like I'm different, but
you want to finish off with that calde.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
So I think they they is in the culture. They
equal as important.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
But you gotta get that Gangster Grills first, you know
what I'm saying for you even jumping that race for
the cald.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
I mean, as much as I love to see how
how gangster grill s Hays aged and progressed, like with
Tyler doing that on his out and everything, streaming did
kind of fuck up one of my favorite parts of
Gangster Girls though, Like I would love a Gangster Grills
tape with you where you wrap on everyone else's beats.
We just can't do that ship anymore because streaming you
have to get everything.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Man, everything called the EP album and these his mixtapes,
you gotta name them different like it.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
It's crazy, man, it.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Is all the same. Are you gonna go to the
actual awards?

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah? I'm going. Okay.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Do you think if Jack Carlow wins will do the
Macklamore Kendrick thing and text you and say you should
have got it?

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Uh? I don't think so, man. You know uh Jack?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, he a classy dude. I mean, he he a
seasoned guy.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Man.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
I like him, and I think I think he deserves everything.
I think he deserves everything he gonna get. But I'm
trying to win too, though, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
We sat and we sat and talked with Conway a
few months ago, and uh, you know, we asked the question,
like listen, man, like you know we've been I know,
I know with some of those you know fake lo
ol tweets about the family and in the team, and
you know, Wes and Benny kicked me out the car
all that ship. I know, first and foremost, y'all a family,
So you know that's first and foremost. But where does

(09:10):
Griselda stand today as far as just the chemistry the business?
Like where is it at? Is it somewhere where everyone
you feel it's on the same page. Is it a
conversations that y'all are not having that y'all probably should have,
Like where's where's the is the is the crew? Where's
the fellas at today? This is what?

Speaker 4 (09:30):
This is what I'm gonna say, you know what I mean.
Like you see, we just did roll in loud. Each
of us had a different day. You know, Griselda never
been a group. We've never been a group. That's why
that's why it's called Griselda Records. Like who you who?
You announced by the record label name? When when uh
do you call them? Like your uh young money cash Money.

(09:53):
You call them by their names, you call them who
they were. When they first came out, it was Westside
Gunner Conway, Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
They was.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
They was booked for the festivals west Side Gunn to Conway.
They doing shows west Side Gunn Conway. I warmed up
and I would say, Griselda Records. You feel what I'm
saying because we don't have a name of the group,
that grisel the Records is the label name because we're
never we never been a group. It's just Wes is
a curator so much. That's how he ushered Benning in.
That's how he ushered Conway in on his songs. So

(10:21):
it sounded like it sounded like a group. You see
what he's doing with Michelle Records. That's what he does.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
So I think the answer they answer the question.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
I think this is just the evolution of what was
supposed to happen. I got my label, Conway got his label,
West got new artists. Man, we got to sit up
front and learn from Wes. You know what I'm saying.
So I talk to them boys all the time. You
know what I'm saying. And I was just on the
phone with West. He was like, Yo, me and conwe
was kicking it. I'm expecting. I don't know if they

(10:50):
want me to say this or not, but we're trying
to do what we She ain't gonna do too right now.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
You know what I'm saying. I'm calling.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
I'm calling when we leave from here, like buzz what we're
doing because you know what, I come with a bag,
right so, but you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
But that's where we're at with it.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
To be honest with you, of course I don't talk
as much as with them because when I first signed,
I moved down here, I lived in the house. You
know what I'm saying. I don't need to live in
the house. I got like four of them now, all
my own shits. So it's like I don't see them. No,
I don't see them as often, you know what I'm saying.
So of course we don't talk, but I'm definitely tapping in.
You see, we put the Black Suprano Family tape out.

(11:25):
It's important that we get Wes on the intro. Yeah,
and I'm saying giving us his blessing and what I'm
saying to the newest Black Souprano Family artists. You see
Conway and there dumping you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
You see the drum Work festival look crazy too.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
You see me at the drum Work Festival, you know
what I mean. So we're always going to stay in tune.
But the Griselda today is not think Griselda of twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Where do you think y'all differ? And I don't mean
like in a negative way? Where do y'all differ vision wise?

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Moving forward?

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Because I'm sure probably in the beginning it was a
similar vision of just getting the three y'all on it
as much as you could. How is things shifted as
far as what West wants to do, what Kanway wants
to do, and what you want to do?

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I think I think west vision is to push his
envelope with the fashion and with the wrestling. Well, I
know that's his vision. I talked to him, you know
what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what he wanted to do,
the wrestling thing crazy, That's that's what he's doing. What
I'm saying, he about to have his own thing, and
he could do it right now today. But he's so
much of a perfectionist. He just he just taking everything
in he can. He could throw an event right now

(12:27):
today and it'll be big. But he just putting it together.
And uh, the fashion, the wrestling. I think Conway, me
and him, it's like kind of more of the same vision.
We want to We want to rape, you know what
I'm saying. We want to rap, West want to curate.
You want to curate the wrestling events, You want to
curate the fashion, want to curate other artists albums.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I mean, Conway, we just still want to rap. We
still got that chip on our shoulder. Well we ever
we ever gonna get the Spurs album.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Damn, that's a good idea.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Hell yeah, listen, do you think you're sitting here talking
to today.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Doing what I'm right here like, because let's do it.
Always we always needed been a Conway album. But if
we call that the Spurs album and you just come
up with it like that, just sitting here. Yeah, I like.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
That, man, because I'm sitting here, like you know, I
hear the records. I always listen to this ship, and
you know, I understand how it's so many different things
that you have going on as individuals. I get that,
and it's beautiful as y'all creating opportunities, y'all creating different avenues,
different streams of income. It's beautiful. But you know, I
remember before it got too busy ship that would have

(13:36):
been dope. And it's like, right, right, right, when is
that gonna happen? Because now it's a lot more ship
to talk about, exactly, it's a lot, it's a lot
more energy. It's a lot, it's a lot. You know,
it's so many things have happened, and I'm all about timing.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Everything is timing, so note you're right, it's time for that.
I think it's time for that too. That's why we're
talking about the What Machine's Gonna Do two album because
like at all of our three of us, at our height,
it's time to drop the album. It's time to form,
like vot Tromp. You know what I mean, don't wait
till you know how niggas usually wait till they cool off.
Now you're on the reunion man, Hell no, it's like,

(14:10):
while we ad our height, right now, let's come together
form like Votroump. Put all that solo career shit aside
and let's go. But they don't play with that though.
That's that's like that's about to happen.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Like well, then I also also asked the difference in
vision sound wise, because I feel like you've been the
one out of the group or label that has drifted
away from the typical what we call Griselda sound, where
it be Darren's your Alchemist, that crew, you know, the
no drums jokes on on Twitter and all that.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
I put a new podcast, man, y'all ask some good ships.
You and your journalist know why. I think because we're
familiar with each other, each other this ship. People won't
ask me this ship. They won't want to ask me.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Because I ask me that.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
When you put out the Hit Boys shit, I was like, Oh,
I know the Griselda fans because I'm one, but not
the way like your core chrs is. I'm like, they
about to kill Even though I love this album, it
doesn't sound like Griselda exactly. It sounds like hit Boy
and somebody that could really rap. And I know those fans,
I've been in them shows. They want Darrenger Alchemist, Benny
Conway west Side. So what what was that like? And

(15:12):
is that something you could even see going into doing
a group project that Conway and west would want to
even do it? Experiment sound wise not to say that
they don't, but it is very much the Griselda sound,
whereas hit Boy wasn't.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
I think so because I think I think that when
what Machine gonna do? Because Wes West talked to me
about that and he was like, yeah, we need that,
we need that Griselda sound on there also with a
more fuller sound.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
And when I when we say Griselda to Griselda.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
As of today, he got songs of Travis Scott, you
know what I'm saying. Conway got songs with Uh Jay
and Kiss on the soundtrack of a movie.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
I'm saying, I'm doing joints.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
With Cole and just so like the Griselda today is
gonna be a wider sound to me if you ask me. So,
we're gonna be getting in the studio with all type
of people. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, pushing and
pulling and pause to that. We're in Atlanta, so I mean,
but just trying to you know, trying different sounds.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
But you like you say, I'm I'm me.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
I'm going I'm more of the type of person when
I get in a studio with somebody, I let them drive,
Like Yo, Benny, I hear you on this because I
don't want to get in the studio with with hit Boy.
I don't want to get in the studio with Mike
Will made. You know what I'm saying. Mike Will made it.
Any of these guys and they play something, I'm like, nah,
I can't do it, Like I'm rapping in anything. This
is what I do. We talk about how it will

(16:35):
come out at the end. And some of them songs,
DOESNET been legend? You know what I'm saying. Some of
them songs, Doesnet been like a Slyde Green or a
five to fifty. When I'm getting there and I'm trying
and I'm trying different things, they work for me.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Did the hit Boy sessions and just that project in
general kind of shift your mind as far as the
type of beats that you want.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
To rap on? Hell yeah?

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I can't lie, Hell yeah, because I gotta. I got
a broader audience, you know what I'm saying. Who don't
want to do that?

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Like me?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I'm a hustler.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
You know, these people got to remember I'm a hustler
and I've been rapping trap rap, you know what I'm saying.
And I held it down. I've been doing that. But
we got the money doing a Griselda thing, you know
what I'm saying. So now we did that, we're still
doing it. But if it's more money to be got,
you know, a nigga gonna chase that bag.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
I got kids to feed. I'm not worried about. You
know what I'm saying, bull shit.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
And as much as much albums that y'all put out
per year, just the three y'all, do you think maybe
the Griselda sound, as much as we've proven how successful
it is, hold y'all back at all if you continue
with it.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I don't. I don't. I don't think it holds us
back at all.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
I think I think people think that so so they
might be apprehensive to you know what I'm saying, to
work with us, They like, they might be apprehensive. You know,
the super Bowl coming up. You know what I'm saying,
is like, I don't be got. I'm cite the rock Nation.
So my managers to hit me. It's like, Yo, the
super Bowl coming up. We got parties and everything, so

(17:59):
we pay you for some of them. And sometimes I
don't get him, you know what I'm saying. They might
feel like, you know, he like a street rapper, underground rapper.
But we brought that. We brought from Buffalo, We from Buffalo,
New York. We brought that from Buffalo to underground to
to where we're at today. I think it can go further,
you know what I'm saying. Just you know, people sleep
on it. They're not sure yet.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
What happened to the what happened to the Drake record?
Because you had let me hear something a while ago.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
I don't I don't think. I don't think it's coming
out because I don't know. It's like a clearing issue.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Man.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
I don't know Drake because I heard, like, listen, we
here to talk.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Man, you listen, we're not doing that, and we're not
doing that today. I need to know.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Because I heard it multiple times and brought him up
the ship and you smoke the ship.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
So what I can't what I can't say, man, Drake
did hit me up? I was like, yo when we
dropping it, like he caught me up, like he was
on me. That was a while ago, though, But you know,
I don't know, you know what I mean, things happened
so last I heard, my managers was trying to get
the was trying to talk to his peoples and trying
to get it clear. I think it just slowed up.
I don't know, you know what I mean, He's doing
what he's doing. I'm doing what I'm doing, what I'm

(19:07):
gonna do with You know what my problem is. I
told the world about the record. I was excited to work. Yeah,
I told the world about.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
The record as you should have.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
I understand Drake real shit, and uh, you know, I'm
a holler a depth jam, like, man, get this clear
at what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
I mean, but do you take any of that personal?
Because I know plenty of artists that that have done
features and ship and then the label won't clear it,
but the artist will be like, oh, that rapper probably
told they label not to clear that shit. Did you
take any of that personal or even reach out to Drake?
Like what the fuck? Is this a universal thing?

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yo?

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Hell no, I could never take it. No, this is
a real shit though.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
I could never take none of that personal, because like,
it's fucking Drake, you know what I'm saying. It's the
biggest artists in the world. So even for him to
acknowledge me, even for him to send me a verse
and then open track like, yo, let's kill that and
he really sent me too, right that that's what I'm
in it for. You know, niggas gonna get money. Yeah,
it's about the acknowledgement to respect amongst my peers, the

(20:05):
acknowledgement from the biggest artists in the world. You know
what I'm saying that, Like, yo, biddy, let's get on something.
You know, timing is everything and uh and I believe
that's something that could be revisited.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
And it's only and it's only a topic because people
want to hear Drake with the Butch.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, people want to hear it.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
People want to know how that sound, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
So they want to hear Drake rap with the Raptors.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
But why why?

Speaker 4 (20:26):
I like them and they want to and they want
to and they want to hear the underground people shine
with the Stars.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
And so I like that record is because I felt
you went into Drake's world. As far as how that
beat us you guys, I feel like even like when
West works with Tyler, like y'all bring the artists into
the Griselda world, which we want to hear. We want
to hear Tyler on some ship that is the Griselda sound.
I wish y'all would go more into other people's world
to really show that type of ship, because I know y'all

(20:51):
so self contained.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
You don't need to do shit.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Let's bring everyone in our world is our ship. But
that's why I thought that Drake Record was so important
outside of the feature exactly, you got Benny on those
type of Drake beasts we love, like the time stamped
type records.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
People want to see that. People want to see that
because they want to know cool. We switch it up,
and we can switch it up, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
But they want to see.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
That, and even like with the Cold Record, and I
mean it's it's not even a conversation, but they're gonna
be mad if we don't ask it. Why did people
think Cole was talking to you in his verse? I
don't understand why, but that was a big thing on
the internet. They was like Cold going like I don't
think he's going at Benny in this.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Rappers have done that though for sure.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
You've got a whole cannabis l O.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Rappers have done that, and you know, he he he
says things. He say things like that on the song,
like Jesus asks for a feature you know what I'm saying. Hm,
But we all do that, you know, That's the nature
of a rapper. And I think fans is just they
just read into everything and they you know, they they
wanted to. They want to They want him to be
saying something to me on the record, you know what

(21:53):
I mean. Like that makes it juicier for them. But
it's like, Man, I don't know, man Cole, he one
of the most solid rappers I met and this ship.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
You know what I mean to be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Did he Did he reach out to you?

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Or you reach out?

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Then I reached out to him. I reached out to
him because I felt like that was the next step
for me. I want to rap with the rappers. Same
thing with the Drake record, same thing with the my record,
would push your t same thing on my record with
blacked Out, same thing. I want a Kendrick record, I
want a jay Z record. I want to rat with
the rappers. Yeah, you feel what I'm saying. So I
reached out to him. I went to one of his

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shows in Detroit. I was on tour at the same time.
Link kicked it witting Uh took a picture with me
and the Homeboys he posted the picture. I'm saying, you
know that's it's just Instagram and Internet. But you know
guys like that don't have to share their platform. Yeah,
you feel what I'm saying. Nine times out of ten
you see guys like that sharing their platform with people
who could help them. You know, I'm not gonna get

(22:46):
J Cole no more, no more followers, and I'm not
gonna get no more streams.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
So it's dope to see that. That's inspiring to me.
That that had me like go reach down to somebody like, yo,
let's do this record.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Just seeing bruh. He easily do that, but.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
You feel like you have to outside of your actual
personal taste. You want to rap with the rappers. I
feel like y'all would sound great with people like UZI,
people like the younger kids that are making not so
lyrical miracle type rap. As you guys feel like you
can't do that type of ship.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
No we can't.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
We want to do that, man, we can't. We're going
to do that. It's just that I think it's just
a hip hop and us.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
You know what I'm saying, It's.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Just that's what That's what I want to do.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
I want to It's all good to do everything else,
but I want to, like, I want to see where
I stand in the ring with the guys.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
You know what I'm saying. I'm the guy from Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
It is no bigger, it's no bigger in hip hop
than what we are from our city.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
We are those guys.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
So you know, a large part of the culture, the
code following Grisell, the following when to want to see
how we how we go with those guys. That's how
I do. But I love working, man. I got so
many records that's about to come out. Shout out to
Tako Bang me and him got a record. Shout out
to you. Hear the money Man record the record with
me and money Man. I'm on Herbal new album. You

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know what I'm saying. I got a record with my
Lotto and Cash. Don you know what I'm saying. So
it's like I love doing I love doing those type
of records. But and I like to get busy, you know.
You know what I'm saying. I need that feeling in
my bones.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Man.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
I'm from the I'm from the nineties era music.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
What type of what's what's an artist that Benny the
Butcher listens to that, his fans would be absolutely fucking
amazed that he even knows who that artist is. Like
you be in the crib, because niggas think you in
the crib just listening to the most toughest grimy and shit,
Like you got a del playing.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
In the crib, my nigga, Like I don't. I don't
got a del playing in the crib. But I'm I'm
listening in like I'm an old school nigga. I'm listening
to Shade. I'm listening to John b. You know what
I'm saying. Like I might lead a club rowdy night,
you might lead a strip rowdy night. You know it
gets rowdy in the place. Yeah, yeah, I'm riding home.
I'm listening to the Commodore.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Every like real lyrical rapper. I know doesn't listen to
lyrical rapp R.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
And I can't I can't get I can't be inspired.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, I can't be inspired
if I'm just listening to that genre of music.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
What else I listened to?

Speaker 4 (25:10):
I listened to ees TG, Yeah, listen to uh Poosha,
heisty of course, what Dirk Kode I'm listening to Dirk Yak.
I'm on that yach Future gonna you know That's That's
what I'm really listening to all the time. You know
what I'm saying, same thing everybody else listened to.

Speaker 1 (25:28):

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Since we're around the corner from the Mercedes Benz Theater
and Kanye's been going fucking nuts lately. Were you involved
any of those Kanye sessions? I know he was posting
Griselda stuff at one point.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I wasn't in there.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
I did I did the one I went to one studio,
well it was a studio session, but we didn't record nothing.
I spent most of my time in Wyoming just kicking
it with side, you know what I mean? That was
worth it, sure, But uh man, I know Conway spent
a lot of time over there and West conwege Wait, he's.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Been doing something over there. He has been doing something.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
What was the Wyoming situation like for you?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Man?

Speaker 4 (26:03):
It was dope, man, it was just ya got the
whole Yay, got the whole compound.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
It was donkeys and lamb ship just walking around.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
He got the them them them funny trucks and ship.
You be seeing him driving them ships to be lighted
up and with the keys already in them, walking past
like y'all, I want to drive some shit like that.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
They like go like the keys is in there, Like
I ain't touching that ship.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
It's a liability touching dropping that.

Speaker 1 (26:29):

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Uh man. I woke up the next morning and uh
Havoc was there. That was my first time meeting Havoc
in the studio, studio with Havoc And it's like, yay
got the people and I didn't stay on a compound.
I stayed at a hotel. He got the people like
running in the raptors like picking you up. They constantly
picking people up and dropping them off like out of land,
like at the airport, private planes and shit like that.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
So it was like it's like a little city.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
What type of Like I got to know what those
hotels was thinking when Kanye moved there and just started
flying Brazil out there, Like come to the front desk.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
If I'm working in Wyoming and you walked to the front.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Like this, Oh my god, this diner in town.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
That got to be crazy if you've seen that. But
he got his own little city if you ask me, no,
that's what's up.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
How many how many artists at the Wyoming session that
was there did you feel like, damn, I really want
to work with this, with this dude, like I've always
wanted to work with him, like meeting Havoc. I'm pretty
sure at one point that was it.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
It was like, damn, half here you go like shit,
say something to him like get to get the meat
from here, you know what I mean? But it was
half and definitely side man, just kicking it with him,
you know what I mean. That's where I get all
my game from people who've been in the game longer
than me. So just picking his brain. And he played
his album for me, I played my album for him.
I'm saying, it's just and it's just like okay, you

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know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Is that a route the Wayside? Again, it's one of
our favorite lyrical rappers, but it's a great writer with
the other it as well, And I think typically lyricists
are the best writers. Would you ever write for somebody,
not even in some hip hop ship like.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Of course of course I could do. I could do
things like that, have course, you know what I mean?
If the opportunity presents itself. I've done things like that before,
but not like an artist step into me. You know
what I'm saying. I've done that for like you know,
it's crazy, man. I wrote a song like I shouldn't
be saying this. I wrote a song for Pinky back
in the day before anybody ever heard of me. She

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was trying to rap and I wrote a song.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I did were about to have a I did? No.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
No, I'm glad I asked that cliche asked question because
we got a crazy fucking it all right, old on,
I did. No. Let's start from the beginning. I need
to start at the beginning. How did you meet Pinky?

Speaker 1 (28:50):
And why did you mean Pinky? Listen? First of all,
what's the first ball? I need to know how Pinky
was coming on the tray? What was the first ball?

Speaker 2 (28:59):
I didn't go like that.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Se when they found references, you said it.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
I never even knew about this. That's why I didn't
want to say it. That's why niggas.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Can't be opening niggas real ship.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
But we don't find the dat reference lapping for Pinky.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I never met Pinky, right, And I was like, what
if I ever miss this? Is her heyday? Was she
so less?

Speaker 2 (29:26):
You want to raping?

Speaker 4 (29:28):
I'm saying, try anything like I want to say two
thousand and eight.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Okay, that was slim Pinky, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
This is the cat Stacks era, slim Piky.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
DVD era type of things.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Okay, So so Pinky wanted to rap? Who connected? Who
was like, yo, my my man could rap. He'll write
your ship?

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Uh Cheddar DVD? Remember Cheddar DVD? I remember from Boston.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
So he was doing he was doing a peace with
her and they brought it up and he was like,
I know just the person, right, you know, that's my homeboy.
He was like, I know just the person to write.
And they called me.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
How did you feel that he said those words, I
know just the person to write you a verse? Pinky?
I might have been offended.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
It wasn't like that. It's just that he knew he could.
He knew I probably was the best rapper. He knew
who could, who could? Who could do something like that?

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Me?

Speaker 4 (30:17):
I always was malleable, basically like I was always like,
I mean, easy to work with. So when they first came,
so I'm thinking like, how could that work? And they
just told me It's like, you don't, my nigga, you
don't got to go all the way.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Just just be I mean, just write some ship.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
I'm like, okay, because if I got to talk that
dumb shit like I can't, I can't do it. But
I just I just wrote the record. I kind of
think I wrote it too lyrical for it to be
honest with you.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Well, you know we've interviewed and just talked with amazing.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Real wrote the records. You got my fucking Pinky spending
like Tyler K.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
I know a lot of writers say when they have
to write for somebody, they research them. They really get
to know them. They try to understand their lifestyle. Like
what type of research did you do to understand Pinky
to write I'm familiar with her?

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Like before you.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Got to the stool, he was like, all right, let
me let me refresh my memory on what.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
When I met her.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
When I met her and then I just you know,
she was flying, to be honest with you, in her
and her I don't think it was her husband or
boyfriend at the time, probably still is now. I'm not
sure me and him had the same first name, Jeremy.
You know what I'm saying. So he was. He was
a flying nigga too, So I added that I made
it about that.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Ship like that. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
That's funny. It never came out though.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Right, Obviously we would have heard that, man, I never heard.
But how would you know if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
No, but no, I wouldn't know it was you, but
we would hurt her pinky record. I don't think we
would have heard a pinky record.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
I don't think it ever came out. The thing about
it is, to be honest with you, I think I
wrote it to lyrical for her, and she and the
way it.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Came out, they was like, do you remember any bars
from it?

Speaker 1 (31:50):
No? I don't.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
My nigga, I think he's.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Nobody to google it, man to look for that's some
fun I doubt it. I doubt it's out there. But
that's a crazy story.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Man.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
I think at some point maybe we might need a
pinky Benny.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
But I play like eight bones for that eight racks.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
That's what's up? Oh ship?

Speaker 4 (32:11):
That was okay, That's what I'm saying. Like the feature
slide on the d v D, like I was about
to be on. I was on my way. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I was on my way.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Imagine Pinky putting you on in the wrap. That's crazy
because I remember, like when Max was fucking around Rocky
Reynolds and Ship, there was a time when I feel
like porn stars were trying to do the rap thing.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
And Rest in Peace that was probably case in the
you know what I mean, Like they're ready.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
We already got a fan base that's a fast rapping.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
So out of the young dudes that I've seen on
the project, long lived DJ Sha Rest in Peace and
I damn I believe that was the last time we
sat and spoke with Bennie. Shay was in the studio
with us. Yeah, he was there with us, and.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
I believe what he passed maybe like two a week
after that, not too.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Long after the Rest and Peace. One of the dudes
that I really really like that I you know, I
see y'all kind of like putting your arms around it
and ushering in stove. God Like, when I hear him,
he reminds me a lot of how I felt when
I heard you, and it was certain certain things that
he says and how he says certain things, and how

(33:19):
slick and witty his bars are, but it's also very unique,
like it's almost an un orthodox kind of flow that
he has. Is that one of the young casts that
you look at and you might not be able to
because you got to keep your poker face when like
the students is in the room. But is he one
of the ones you look at and he says something,
You're like, God, damn, this Nigga's nice.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Man him, Simba, you can't forget specially, you know what
I'm saying. Specially is on a different level.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
And we're gonna get into yall history too from special.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
But yeah, man, I definitely see I definitely When people
ask me about Stove, I say, Stove out of here.
He got he got all the intangibles, ain't none to talk.
He's out of here, you know what I mean? And me,
I always look at myself as like I'm the one
any Like when you think about it, anybody who's ever
on the record with Bennie the Butcher, they're rapping at
their highest. I'm I feel good that I that I

(34:14):
bring that to the table because because everybody don't bring
that to the table. You know what I'm saying, And
there's certain artists who bring that to the table. For me,
it's like, Okay, this guy bring the best out of
me Conway especial, So knowing that, you know what I mean,
Like I've been told that, Like people get on the
song with me and they and they just go crazy.
And you know, Stove just been going crazy period on
songs with everybody. But I think, like you said, the

(34:35):
dynamic he reminded me and me too, So the dynamic
of me and him on a song together, like people
like that. I think people want to hear me more
of me and.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Stove absolutely as a consumer right right, that's clearly like
when I hear him, I'm like, oh, people want to
get see they want to hear how to need him
on sign with the record.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
And we don't have to get too much into detail
on the Houston and sendem at all. But how has
that changed as far as how you move? And obviously
we see everything going on in the rap community with death, shooting,
bullshit here, How is your lifestyle changed since then?

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Man?

Speaker 4 (35:11):
My lifestyle changed since then because I'm definitely more cautious
about where I'm at, you know what I mean, Like me,
I don't fear for my life. I don't fear, you
know what I mean. And maybe that's a maybe that's
something I might need to do, you know what I'm saying.
But I move like I don't move like I'm in danger.
Of course, I'm not in nobody hood three or four
in the morning.

Speaker 1 (35:30):

Speaker 2 (35:31):
That shit in Houston happened three thirty in Houston.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Yeah, you feel what I'm saying. So, but I definitely
move like a rapper now, so to speak. A certain place,
I might pull up to the gas station. I might
be going to niggas like, yo, don't I'm going in
for you. You know what I mean to me, I might.
What I'm saying is I'm not in the hood. I
might be on a road somewhere like Nigga's like, no, still,

(35:53):
don't don't get out the car like me.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
I didn't know I was. Don't get out the car famous.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, that's a mistake sometime.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Know, no, real shit, you know this shit do not
come with a man or you know, these people gave
me all this money, and nobody introduced me to a banker,
Nobody introduced me to like, Okay, call this security dude.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Nobody introduced me to nobody. So and I think it's
so dangerous.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
And I think it's so dangerous being a rapper because
I talk about this all the time, the lack of
people to look up to in our community.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
So people glorify rappers. Me.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
I know, a difference from a movie in real life.
We all do a difference from music, our entertainment in
real life. But these people glorify rappers. They on YouTube
every day. It's people with YouTube channels who who got them?

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Shit?

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Just basically off talking about rappers critically. You know what
I'm saying, what they do, what they don't do, antagonizing
rappers and niggas like like at this statement.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I remember.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
I remember I was in the club one night and
there was this nigga there and he was like yeah,
you know he was saying.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
He looked at me, he looked around.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
He seem like he seemed like the it was bitches
in my face, it was niggas DJ screaming my name out.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
He looked around, he look what I mean. I looked
at him. He looked back around.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
He was like, man, and I got more money than
these rappers.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
It's like you know that you know that's a goal, right,
I mean, like, is that's that's your goal? Have more
money than Bill Gates? Right, you know what I'm saying,
have more money than you know what I mean, Like
that's your goal. Like people want to Man, I got
the rap smoke rapper, We smoke read like God, damn
niggas was.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Like the top of the food chain.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
People want to do everything rappers do, but at the
same time, they want to attackonize rappers.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Man, you bitch you as rap niggas. Rappers don't got
this man, Rappers like it's like a love hate relationship
that that people have with us.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
They love us so much they hate.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Us, I'm saying them same niggas who'll be running up
on niggas take an autograph, you know what I'm saying.
Or it's just that it's just dangerous, man, you know
what I mean. And we ninety nine point nine point
nine nine nine percent of rappers, it's all from the ghetto,
and we want to go back, right, and we want
to go back even if we're not back in our

(38:04):
ghettos where we're from. We want to connect with people
in different ghettos to show them like, look, look what
I did like you. Yeah, my nigga, I'm from right here.
But we can't even do that because they coming back
and seeing us as food. You know what I'm saying,
because is it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Had it's popularity and accessibility I think at this point,
because like even when we was coming up, you only
knew about the rappers you liked, and you didn't know
where they were nor really what they had unless it
was a video or they just rapping a verse. At
this point, they could be just reposted on ig You'll
find out aout a new rapper and see what he has,

(38:41):
and then it becomes food. At that point. It's just
too much accessibility. It's too much popularity because somebody could
not be a fan or know about a rapper, but
they know they ig page and they know other people
like them. Oh he's in LA today.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
That type of shit, and people just broke as fuck broke, Yeah,
people broke is fuck no disrespect I mean respectfully because
that used to be me and and and that's still
a lot of people that I know. Uh, people broke
as fuck, you know what I mean. Like rappers, we're
in a different world I'm in. I might be in

(39:17):
a room where I got the less ship, you know
what I mean, I might be I'm actually in a
lot of rooms like that.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
So it's the rooms you want to be in exactly.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
But when I go when you go back home, when
you go back like you the you the apex niggas,
like god damn, how the.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Fuck did you do it? Like, bro this this is nothing,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
In our world, this is nothing because people climb into
the heights and you go to the bottom of it,
you know what I mean? That people thinking people people
some you might fucking blue ten thousand shopping you might
give it to your family son, and it's somebody, and
it's people in the hood thinking like all I need
is ten thousand dollars to change my fucking life and
I'll never be broke again.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, that's what they think.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
That's what they think is they don't know, but it's like, man, man,
people in the hood is like fucked up.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
And you also have to put the psychology of how
we all strive for attention now with social media into thievery,
because now it's a stack to rob somebody, Like they
could go back and say I robbed. You could rob
somebody as rich and nobody know them.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
It's not a stat.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
You got the money, but we've clearly seen that people
like attention more than money these days. Do you think
so now when it's a rapper somebody, oh y'all know him,
I robbed it, that it becomes even bigger.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
It's like, hang with this rapper or robum? What can
I get more cloud off?

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Exactly? Which is just the way weirdo shit. But you
got to really think that attention has gone into the thieves,
like I get more of a stat because we live
in this fucking generation of look at me, look what
I did. That shit even goes into crimes.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
How do you feel about the because you know, I'm
at the age now where and I hate it because
that means I'm officially old. But the whole culture of
like drill music, like growing up, you know, I remember
when you know, Gangster Rat came on and snooping dre
like I used to have to go. I had to
sneak to listen to Doggy Style, like my moms wouldn't

(41:05):
let me just openly listen to that. But like if
you listen to Doggy Style now and then you listen
to that content and you listen to the young rappers
now and their content Doggie style wasn't that bad, Like
it wasn't as violent. And again and being out here

(41:25):
moving around, we do know how influence influential music and
not and hip hop is to the world in our city,
in our country. Do you feel like the drill music
or just music in general, is playing a part in
the violence that is going on? Like because now a
lot of these young cats they really rapping about shit
that they really actually doing. And like hip hop supposed

(41:47):
to be to art of storytelling, you don't got to
actually be doing that shit. Like a lot of these
actors ain't actually killing people, right, you know what I'm saying,
But were going spending money into the movie there is
and we supporting these projects. But why is it in
our culture you have to really be killing the motherfucker,
You really have to be robbing a nigga, and then

(42:09):
you're going on the music and saying it and saying
and laying it.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Out for the for the cops to come right to you.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Right, do you think.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
That that's playing and programmed that way as far as
like the streaming thing now, because now it's like violence
is almost monetary they're monetizing off for the violence and
the shit that's going on in the community.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Man, I think, Man, I know a lot of people
ain't gonna like my answer, but I think that shit
do play a part of that. Like you know me,
everybody know what kind of music I make. You don't
think the motherfucker see me as shows him be like, Bro,
you know what I just did. Listen to your music?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
I just sold it. I'm like, bro, don't tell me, right,
tell me, bro, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
So it's just fucked up that the Sureties want to
prove themselves through the music, right, you feel what I'm saying.
And you know what, man, A lot of people can
say that about us for the ship that were talking.
Men only talk about the selling it and selling that
or But the difference to me is that, I mean,
we wanted to be bosses. It was about money, you
know what I mean? Money Selling drugs is not it's

(43:10):
not it's not cool to get your asshole full of time.
It had your mama missing you and your kids missing you.
But you ain't killing nobody, man. You blowing nobody fucking
head off over lyrics and just in the music and
just to and just like you said, it's like like
like and and and and and my era, you had

(43:30):
to be nice. It's like these niggas don't got to
be nice. It's like if you gotta be.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
A shoot if he okay, but he shot some the
like the next one.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
You know what I'm saying. I think I think Shorty's
got it fucked up with that one. I'm not saying that,
You're not saying that. I'm not telling nobody to rap
about what they don't I mean, rap fake shit. I'm
just saying, like, be yourself. Don't ever feel like, don't
ever feel like you can't be yourself to get some
money or to get next to that pretty girl you like,
or to get that car you want. You don't got

(43:59):
to be a guy. You know you could. You could
literally be.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
In your own skin. Man.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Guys like Drake and Jack Harlow show us that every day.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Uh, Toby, you know what I'm saying. Guys like that
Tyler the Creator man, be yourself, cold man, you got
it that Johnny Peace Caddy that video. I refuse to
go to Sacks for that video because I knew brothers.
I knew how brother's gonna He made me like, no,
we're not doing that, because I know, brother, not doing that.

Speaker 1 (44:25):

Speaker 4 (44:26):
I did the video with money Man, I'm in sacks
and Doha bondis shit, my boy, money Man, you're coming drippy.
But it's like, be yourself. That's why around the time
when you discovered me, I was rapping about. I was
trapping about living in the projects, having to put the
two by four on my door soon so I can
go to sleep at night. You feel what I'm saying,
may be yourself.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Be yourself. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
That's what people don't think that you gotta be a
tough guy. You're like, you know, we really did that.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Man.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Man, that's man.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
I ain't gonna get you. I ain't gonna get you nothing.
So I think the Shorty's kind of got that misconscrewed.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Then, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
I love the drill movement because anything that's putting food
on the tables, providing a way for them exactly. So
it's a it's a it's a touchy subject, but it's like, man,
you know what I mean, don't take it so literal.
You know what I mean, don't don't use the music
as a form of violence. You know what I'm saying.
They're using the music as a form of violence. Sometimes
not all of them, you know, And I know when
to say that.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
I know that.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
I know these A lot of these young kids. Is
they they born into it. They don't have a choice,
like I didn't have a choice. So that's what I'm
trying to tell you. Be yourself.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Have you the middle of all that, you maybe wanted
to change some of your content the older you've gotten
in the different life experiences, because obviously in the earlier tapes,
still in Buffalo, still involved in whatever it was. Now
things have changed.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Right, I think if people listen to my music.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
My content has changed. I think so too, my content
has changed. I'm be honest with you. After after that
shit in Houston, I don't be rapping about all that ship.
I mean like guns and ship like that, shoot and
the ship like that. I done been in shootouts before
that Houston ship. Niggas have been in shit it I
was and dead everything. So even if I do talk
about it, I'm I'm going back. But I'm not just

(46:05):
drawing out of it nowhere just to make a point. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. I don't got to talk
about frivolous.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Gun pay shit.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
You moved different somebody earlier, Like if you've been through
some shit, you move different.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I'm moving different.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
I don't want to talk about people say. People say
all I do is coke wrap fuck them. But sometimes
I want to show like I could do other things right.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Well, how has your perspective changed outside of the Houston
thing and even safety as far as how you move,
How is your perspective just changed from the success and
just being a full time rapper and just having an
entire defently lifestyle that you have.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
It's that, man, you know, it's a lot on my shoulders.
It's a lot that I could. I can handle anything.
Maybe my mama can't handle it them, maybe my kids
can't handle it.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
So you don't.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
I don't want to be like, yo, I'm an I
could do this and then putting them through something like damn,
we can't go through that.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
We need you.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
So you gotta grow the fuck up.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Honestly, man, you just got to grow the fuck up
and realize that even though I'm the guy with the spot,
I'm the guy with the with with the microphone. But
I represent a lot of people. What I'm saying, Benny
the Butcher is is uh, you know a lot of
people stand behind me. I'm not here by myself, you
know what I mean? It was a lot for a
lot of people, I wouldn't be here. It's to be

(47:21):
mindful of that. Stop making these selfish decisions of apron
if it's the hanging out or if it's the just
doing shit that I shouldn't be doing just thinking I
mean selfishly. Well, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask
and talk about the whole situation with Freddick, only because
I fuck with both of y'all personally, I fuck with

(47:43):
both of y'all's artists, and just being honest, I don't
know what the fuck how it even started.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
I'm legitimately confused.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Man, Niggas gotta ask him that man, like, oh, I
plan on it. I plan on it, but as a
as a somebody that just knows both of y'all and
know that at one point it was really love.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
I think that nigga just try to I think that
nigga just try to, uh try to like, you know,
use my energy in some type of way. If I
feel like if he couldn't use it by doing songs
with me, he was looking for a situation. I mean, everybody,
we people know how he go. He was looking for
a situation, you know what I mean. And this ain't

(48:25):
what he wanted.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
That's just simple. The thing. You know what I'm saying, I.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Don't I don't hate. I don't hate that man. I'm
a stream I'm a gangster for real, he and not
on what I'm on. So I don't hate him this music,
you know what I'm saying. For a person who I
sat on a video with and done songs with and
then be going on Twitter like that ain't me.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
That's his shit.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
I did that ship just to show him like, you
can't even beat me at this.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Do you feel like your quote was it an interview
or someone you were saying that you didn't want to do.
I don't want to misquote you whatever, whatever the Freddy
gives quote. That's what I saw. As far as the
timeline goes, it's when I started the old thing that
you said you didn't want to look.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Look and I don't even like to talk about this,
but like I said, I wanted to be talking about
this if I wasn't with y'all. That's what I was
telling somebody else, you know. You know, people do interviews
with him and call me like, yo, just let you know.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
I did that.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I'm like, oh, hey did this ship?

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (49:15):
But when I when I I'm not trying to be
a tough guy or knowing nothing like that. But in
this situation, whenever I reacted, it's been heavier. So people
like damn. But like you said, you ain't see nothing
until that. Hebro he already he was already a year
talking about niggas go to Houston get shot. That was
a year since then. It make the news when I

(49:37):
speak on it. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, whatever
he did, whatever you see me, you see me go
crazy that day, you know what I mean, it's because
he did, so nobody know when.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I go damn, you know what I mean. So that's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
So I got to realize is that people look at
me as in a different light, how they look at
this guy.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
To be honest with you, They're like, man, that's just him.
That's just him. People look at me like you got
more sense, or like, bro, what you doing?

Speaker 1 (50:06):
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (50:07):
I'm like, well, shit, we don't expect that from you.
The responsibility shit were talking about. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
It's like but basically that's what it is. I don't
know what it's over. I mean, yeah, because I'm on
Twitter one day I see that shit.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
I'm like, what last time I seen that nigga I
went to I was at his Grammy shit, and I'm
a street nigga. I don't be I don't fuck with
niggas or standing around these niggas to get songs with him.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
If we don't fuck around, we don't fuck around. You
know what I'm saying. That nigga was acting like me,
like like like he fucked with me. Like, Yo, what
I thow there?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
That niggas see me? Nigga? That nigga see me?

Speaker 4 (50:38):
When I seen that nigga at that Grammy shit, the
first thing he said to me, I was on the crutches.
The first thing that nigga fred he said to me,
walk them sit. Nigga, who we gotta kill? I said, everybody,
you started talking about rap?

Speaker 1 (50:49):
You know what I'm saying. Okay, So it's like, I mean,
you know what I mean? He all good man, But
I mean, it's mother.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
I believe that people could just coexist, Like it doesn't
have to be fucking cool by y'all and y'all have
to be friends or anything. But what what does it take?

Speaker 1 (51:05):
We were just talking about I don't want to see
y'all should go to.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Exact about the Georgia At what point? But come up
with a way to just stop y'all don't have to
be cool. But what would it take for y'all to just.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
You gotta keep my name out of his mom? That's simple.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
You don't talk about nobody getting shot, especially some ship
that's bottom with it. Like I said, I hate to
talk about this ship. This want to be going viral,
But you don't talk about that, especially if it wasn't
in that room. Every street nigga know that, man, And
if you're talking about it, we canna carry you like
you was like you did it, then everybody know that.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Would you be open to a conversation with him this?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
It's nothing to talk about. He could co exist. I
don't want to talk.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
I'm not talking to nobody who to nobody, I'm going
to be a rapper to nobody who talk about me
getting shot?

Speaker 2 (51:43):
And then I almost lost my life.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yeah, understandable.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Ain't totally nobody you could coexist. It's all good. Yeah,
that's what I wanted. That's what I wanted to. Like, Bro,
you what you're doing, bron we're talking about that a
word as a nigga who acts like you fuck with me?
Come on, as a nigga who said, who we gotta Yeah, Man,
that ain't that. Ain't that ain't gangster?

Speaker 1 (52:02):
That ain't that.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Ain't want hundred you know what I'm saying. So, but
I don't want to. I want I want people to know.
I want the world to know that that's how these rappers are.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
So I'm not even blaming him. It's for me.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
I got to learn how to navigate just how after
this ship happened in Houston or after if I don't
work with a mad labels.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Of Flying Street, street ethics and coach to the rap
music Shi what I was about to ask candulity for
putting you thought.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Y'all was not just rapper friends. Not.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
No. I knew we were only rapper friends.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
I expectation.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I guess he ain't be my other friend but me
and my other friends.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
You know what I'm saying. So, But it was like.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
I didn't I seen it on TV and heard about
it in the game, but I ain't know, like these
niggas will be together and then just we're nigga, just
make up some ship out of nowhere, like make a
problem with you. So I'm like, oh, those sort of
shit really happened.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
So you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
We look goofy as fuck. We on the songs together
and went on tour together. Then this I'm not that
type of nigga.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I'm solid. Anybody can vouch with me. I'm not right.
So whatever he got going on, I know he gonna say,
well he did it.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Asked that nigga.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
What Bennie the Butcher did him to have him be
talking about some ship on Twitter? You're trying to sell
some records.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
That's disappointing. I see.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I only asked you honestly, bro, because I really did
not know how what happened.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Nobody knows why.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Nobody knows because was like, Yo, can you tell me
what's going on with is this confused?

Speaker 2 (53:21):
The ship out of me?

Speaker 1 (53:22):
I was talking to somebody.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
I was talking to somebody, like I said, I'm only
talking about this because I'm saying I'm kicking it with y'all.
But I was talking to somebody and it was like, yeah, man,
I just feel like you and you had. I'm like, man,
cause y'all don't know because it's only a thing. When
I say it's not a thing, he going back, he
was tight. He tweeted that ship on Twitter like a
year and a half ago. Nobody knew because I didn't reply,

(53:45):
you know what I'm saying. So as soon as I
spoke about it, now it's a thing. And I was
on every blog.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, yeah, whatever he woke up.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
When you see that ship that I did, when you
see me on World stop whatever, when it went whatever
he woke up and did that day.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Nobody don't know that. I know. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
So I did what I did. They're like, damn been
and you.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
It's like it always come back to me. You feel
what I'm saying. So I got a chill.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
When he did.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
When he did tweet it, though, did you feel like
you wanted to reach out to him and just let
me take note and move.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
How I move.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
I wanted to reach out to him. I wanted to
see where it was head was at like that was
a year and a half ago. Yeah, before it got public.
I wanted to reach out to him just to check.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Like, yo, you tempert your check, Like why you say
that ship?

Speaker 4 (54:27):
That was about what I mean? Yeah, I wanted to see. Yeah,
nigga got to think it back, like what did I say?

Speaker 1 (54:34):
What I mean?

Speaker 4 (54:35):
But you also know, man, sometimes these rap niggas be
like you seen that Michael Jordan shit, and I took
that personally.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Yeah, everything personal.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
They take everything personally, so nigga might but the geared
up in his head Mike thought that. I said, I
don't know, and I really don't care, you know what
I'm saying. But I just want people to know that
because I'll be getting I'll be getting flagged back like
I started, like.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
I'm bothering this man.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
I got way more ship to do what I'm saying.
But I knew soon as they let Buffalo niggas in
the game, I knew he was gonna beat up a rapper.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
You know what I'm saying. I knew that was gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Not to be on no tough guys, but I just
know a nigga was gonna underestimate niggas was playing or
thinking she was going she was gonna go let for that, nigga.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
You know what I'm saying, That's just what I do.
I definitely don't want to see it go any further because,
like I said, I fuck with both of y'all, and
I think that you know, at one point it was
some chemistry, good chemistry there and and we just don't
need that ship. We had enough of that.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
We don't We don't need it. I'm not a goofy,
you know what I'm saying. This shit got niggas. I'm
not a goofy, you know what I mean? And anybody
could vouch for that. So just like and that's another thing,
like you got me looking like a goofy.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Yeah, they got people got my niggas asking me this
shit in an interview. I ain't do nothing, bro, what
I'm saying I feel you.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Of course they're just gonna put it on you because
the city it happened and all the legiship that that
we don't really need to get into detail for. I
do hope with this album rollout that that does not
become a thing, because again, y'all don't need to be
best friends, I just want that ship to stop.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Like, man, he just gotta he just gotta stop, just stop.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
And I don't because, like like you said, like he's
he did with he there for a year.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I kept quiet for a year.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
But then you know, his album coming and rolling out,
so he's saying more and more just so it was
like a you know what I mean, It is what
it is, though, I.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Mean at one point we don't have to make it
a freddy thing. At what point do you just ignore ship,
especially like with popularity, Let's let's not even put it
with rappers, like even fans or any type of criticism
or anything to be said about you, Like have you
gotten better ignoring ship? Like it's not even worth the
energy to.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Get I'm getting better. I'm getting better, Like for every
negative thing in my life, Like if somebody say something
negative to me, I try to like to respond to
somebody who says something positive. For every time somebody do
something negative to me, every time somebody like pissed me off,
I try to like call somebody else and like uplift

(57:01):
they they like yo, man, like man, you're going crazy.
It's I try to do the opposite. I try to
like you know what I'm saying. I'm working on myself. Man,
I promise I'm working on myself. But that's supportant as
long as you're doing that.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
As far as the Benny therapy bag if we want to,
so we can do a Beny therapy bag. He wants
to be working on the selfish.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
And I'm working on myself. How is how is life
on a on a personal level for you right now?

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Like?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Are you happy? Yeah? Man, yeah, I'm happy. I don't
know if I like that tone, Bunny, I don't know, Man,
it ain't sound unlievable.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I'm happy, but I'm not content, okay.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
And it's just and I got a lot of people
around me who think this is the end game.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
I'm happy. So it's like, man, I'm just looking looking
way down the road.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
But you think you'll only be happy if you're content.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Yes, I feel like that's I feel like that's the
thing for men, A lot of men. We can't be
happy or be blessing in no one's else life until
we're content.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
But guess what I do.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
Might not need a hundred million dollars to be content.
I might need one hundred seashells. I might want to
collect seashells, whatever, whatever, it makes us content in our heart.
And my thing is not money, is doing what I
love to do and be and being Like in that
one record, I said, being up feel good, but not
better than being sure.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
You know what I'm saying. I want to wake up
and be sure every day. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
I feel like we men and just having an ego
and nuts and just testosterone all that shit. I could
say what I think will make me consent and then
I'll get it and I won't be content because I
go to the next thing. So at that point, it's like,
you can't find happiness in being content because we probably
won't be consent. That's part of ambition. But we have
to get to the next level. But you're right, like

(58:42):
right now you're nominated for Lyricists of the Year. You
go win tomorrow a right, next thing, grammy right, but content,
you can appreciate it, all right, because but can't make
you happy.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
Happiness is a journey, So you got to keep finding
different things to give you that happiness, to give you
that joy, to make you intent. And it might be
like you said today, it might be this. That's the
thing about men, and the men were conquerors with journey ers.
We like to know what I'm saying, we like to
do shit like that. So today I might motherfucking wake up.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
You see.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
You see guys like Luda, Christian elkoj and Ic they acting.
You know what I'm saying. These moos came out and
sold tons of records. I'm saying now they switched over
to acting, and uh, you never know who might fall
on your heart.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
But where do you find fulfillment outside of work in
the family.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Mm hmm, and just traveling, seeing new things, man, and
just being and just being in places where there's no
expectations of me. And just like where we got to
go today, we don't got to go nowhere. A lot
of times when I do. I went to Saint Thomas
and uh, when I was just the man, I love
Saint Thomas. I went to Saint Thomas and didn't really
lead a mansion and didn't go nowhere. I was just chilling,

(59:48):
just eating food. I did that a couple of.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Times in Vegas. I do that a lot.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
Actually, I don't need to leave because I didn't come
out to go club and I just came to chill
and just relax, Like I was watching.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
What's that you called it? Man?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
What's that ship with it? Ozark?

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
I watched like crazy hours of Ozark falling asleep on
the couch and then I got one of them couches.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
From my house.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I'm tying has a good sleep right there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
That's a fact.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
So when I'm just doing nothing, you know what I'm saying.
We do so much important, my soul into everything so much.
Sometimes I just like to do nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yeah, I mean, this is this So at one point,
you know, I'm sure when you started out rapping and
back in Buffalo and you know, now you're like at
the BT Hip Hop Awards nominated for Lyricists of the Year.
That journey are you happy with? Or should I say

(01:00:42):
are you Did you think that it would be what
it was or what it is is? Did it meet
your expectations? Like now that you I'm sure you used
to watch the b T Hip Hop Awards. Now you're
nominated for Lyricists of the Year, Like speak to the
kid that's in the situation. You were back in Buffalo
looking at the awards like like that journey is it

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everything you thought it would be? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
The journey was and the journey is the best part.
I'm not gonna lie. The journey is the best part.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
I said this on camera before. Man, I've been grinding
so long in Buffalo, y'all know that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
It's like for for for a.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Moment of time, I couldn't even watch the BET Hip
Hop Awards, the met Awards period.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I didn't want to see that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
I felt like I needed to be there, and I
felt like, where was my career going? Where's my life going?
But you hear that, You're like, with the nerve of me,
that's some crazy shit. As I think about it now,
that's so crazy. Look how you're talking now, these niggas
real shit. Yeah, just watching that ship I could I'm like, man,

(01:01:44):
I ain't watching this shit because I supposed to be there,
like the nerve of me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
But now I'm here.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
So I was right about something, and I would tell
the kids, man, put your best foot forward. See a
lot of people don't understand about when you become an artist.
It's not about who could cater to you, you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Like you gotta think these labels give you this money
like you did shit for them. You know what I'm saying.
For all of us who ain't named Aubrey a little baby.
You know what I'm saying that, it's a lot of
us who name ain't that. So a lot of times
when they give you the bread, like Depth Jam give
me the bread, like they're not sure I'm gonna recoup

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that money, you know what I'm saying, They do benings
with people a lot of times who they were shut like,
ain't fucking Justin Bieber signed to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Depth Jam, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
At so it's like, man, it's just like you got
to give your awe to this, like people don't know
you gotta give you all to this. And it's not
a lot of times it's artists. Sometimes we think like, man,
what could these people do for me? When you're starting
from the bottom, it's like, no, what could you do
for these people? How could you become an asset? And

(01:02:48):
that's what I just try to do. I just try
to become an asset in the room. I try to
never never, never need west Side Gun man. I never
asked west Side Gun for nothing. I always bring that
up because not saying that I never needed I just
knew a whole bunch of other motherfuckers was acting for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Other favors, I needed it, I didn't need I didn't
need him to be like, Okay, I got to this
BT ship going on, and I got this studio session
going on. I could bring Benny, but I ain't calling
that nigga. That nigga gonna need it. He's gonna need
some money. I mean, I ain't calling. I don't even
want to. I didn't want to be that. I didn't
want to bring that energy towards him. So I never
asked him for nothing. I just wanted to become an

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asset to him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Did that come from?

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Because I don't know if you even remember this. We
were outside the Universal building, I think right before West
had signed that Shady deal.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
You and West.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
I ran into y'all like in the lobby, and I'd
be like, I was like, are you signing with that?
She was like, no, I'm not signing nothing with Shady
at all. Like that's all a Westside resulta thing. This
is way before a Rock Nation anything like that. Is
that when you started to like soak up what labels
can and cannot do for you and what's really old
and what's not as far as that went, because you
was just with West like right as his man's going

(01:04:00):
up to the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Meeting, right right right, Man I did, and man I
wanted to be signed to Shady Record so fucking bad.
Like I said, imagine not being a BT war not
watching that shit. And then my cousin getting signed, both
my cousins, and they telling me like, yo, we got
this deal, we got were about to do this, were
about to do that. And it's like, man, I'm around Shady,
I'm around Paul, I'm around Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
I met him.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Where's my contract? You know what I'm saying, But you
know I didn't need it. Like what they've done for
me was enough. Shout out Mike including me on that.
What was she ain't gonna do too? I'm saying, people
don't know. That started, as I'm telling the business here,
that started ass spurs album, Benny and Conway. To be
honest with you, that started as that. And then after

(01:04:45):
Mike put that idea together, it's like, okay, let me
run it past Wes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Wes is like shit, I'm getting on it too.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
What were doing?

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
All three of us, Let's go. We're like okay, let's go,
and he curated that and that's how it came out.
But Eminem didn't have a problem with me coming and
rapping on that shit with BT in that cipher. You
know what I'm saying. That was the biggest moment in
my career. I remember getting I remember getting like four
thousand followers that night, like you know, that's heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
And that's when I was in the teens.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Yeah, I watched it and they never showed it on
They never showed it on the episode, but they showed
it on BT. I mean they showed it on the internet.
And I remember like watching that. I was living in
the projects watching that ship the whole time, like when
we're coming on, but throughout the whole I'm getting followers
throughout the whole episode, you know what I'm saying. So
I'm forever thankful. And I just realized that I didn't
need to sign to them. And that's what these artists

(01:05:31):
don't know. And that's what Jay trying to tell us
a lot, like you don't need to do that. You
might think like, yo, I gotta sign this contractor gotta
you know what I'm saying, You don't need to do
that all the time. You got to have your own reasons.
It's like you might want the money from them, but
there's certain rooms you might want to be in. You
can get in them rooms yourself. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Sometimes I don't want to make sure shady. I know
you're watching and hate maure and I anytime we sit
with someone from Griselta, I actually was I think that's
dope that they gave y'all those looks and you weren't
even signed to them. So I know Mike and Mike
is my god.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Yeah, you know, I love Mike and sometimes you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Mike ran down my number through Derek to everyone in Griselda,
then text me and then never text me again.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
He just wanted to shake you up a little bit
through the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Text and when you talk, I was like, I'm freeing
thirty minutes, never heard from again.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yeah, damn you Mike. That kind of guy. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Mike also thinks I'm not creative.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Well that's that was That was That was him throwing
a shot at you. What Mike? That was that was
him throwing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Shot randomly tweeting about me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
But I think Griselda do get a bad like they'd
be like damn. It was a bad Blood from Griselda
Shady Man. We thankful for them, dudes. You gotta think, man,
we came in a game with eminem Yeah, I came
in a game with him through Azelda signed the Rock
Nation with whole got brought to Depth Gym by Snoop, Right,
you know what I mean. That's that's making heavy coat SATs.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
You know what I mean? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Yeah, I think I think anytime, because we do respect
Shady and that entire building, that they think we're saying
foul things about them. We asked, like, all right, what
happened with the Shady deal? Like we talk with Conway
and soul House, It's like, oh, I didn't feel Shady's
presence on this one, and they take everything to personal.
I always just found that weird because I think out
of their whole roster, I don't think there's been a

(01:07:16):
media platform that's put Griselda Westside Boogie like number one
as far as the music we talk about and play.
So I want to end our shady beef with Benny today.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
What they thought was the shady I saw Paul at
the West Side Boogie show last week and he was
blocking the bathroom door at the Green Roomne wasn't sure
if it was static or not.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
He's a big dude. I couldn't move right right. I
want to get into some soprano questions. Favorite character from
the Soprano series.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
Man got to be Tony, Okay, got to be Tony.
Like Tony's a fucking maniac, crazy, He's a he's a narcissist.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
I just like watching that character on fold. You know
what I'm saying that the imperfections of them, you know,
I mean a lot of times they try to give
us these perfect characters, you know what I'm saying, Like
that dude, there's anything but perfect, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
And I identify it with that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Yeah, And I feel like The Sopranos was the first
TV show to give us a character that was a
piece of shit, But like we were rooting for them
the whole time. We liked him, We identified with him.
It wasn't like, let's find.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
How many times you like Tony too far?

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Even to stop fucking these Russian strippers, Tony, you have kids.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
So Benny the butcher, mm hmm, can you cook? And
I ain't talking about what I think you're talking about nigga.
I'm talking about can Benny the butcher cook You're vegan though, yeah,
you still got to cook well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Butcher's cut meat.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Paulse Well cut some mushrooms is vegan meat, Yeah, exactly, mushrooms,
thank you. But no, I can't, Okay, I can't. I
can't cook ship. I could make waffles, pancakes, French to
breakfast food. I kill that ship. We always go to
that white niggas always go to breakfast. My niggas want
the eggs sandwich right now. Niggas want some French toast.

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Niggas want some pancakes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
I feel like that's the first thing we learned how
to make is breakfast. The first thing we know how
to do is scramble eggs, make some bacon. And then
when we really really know how to cook is make
a good pancake. Don't burn the pancake.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
My real ship only see all the bubbles when you
see the bubbles. But I can't cook for ship.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
I know what, man, I could count on my I'm
thirty seven years old, and I can count on my
hand how many times I attempted the fry chicken, and
I will still have fingers left maybe three times in
my life.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Okay, so we just we just we just created a
new TV show for Bennie Man. Ship.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
That's the one thing I'm gonna do.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
You haven't been to the restaurant, I mean the supermarkets
with the deal already, with the dish already made. You
just got to heat it up a little. Yeah, like
I'm gonna fuck people up one day, you know what
I'm saying. I'm like exactly, or or I want to
learn how to master one dish and cook that ship
all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
We should do a food because Bufalo is a great
food city, like outside of the audience with wings and Ship,
but Buffalo is like a really good food city. We
should do some type of segment. Yeah, what's outside of food?

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Cook?

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
I definitely cook. That's my that's my little therapy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Ship is and just cooked a Yeah. But I could
cook something, Okay, Yeah, I can't do ship, man. I
can't do nothing in the city of Buffalo. How does
it feel now, aside from probably Rick James being like
some of the most famous, most infamous artists out of

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the city.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Man, it's dope.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
It's lovely. And did you ever meet Rick James?

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
I never met Rick James. I never met Rick, never
got the chance to meet him. But this is what
it's like from being for being a kid from the
East Side of Buffalo, and then you make it, but
you're in the same city, but it's not like the
same city. That's when I realized it's not even black
and white, it's rich and poor. I'm allowed from having
his money and having his influence. I'm allowed in so

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many other rooms.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
And it's like I don't like I be in Buffalo
a lot, like but I don't be where I used
to be, Like it's a whole different Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
Like I got new friends, I do different shit. So
it's like I love it. I love the diversity that
I that that the new found fame bring me my
family and other parts of the city too, because I'm
still coming with them, still pulling up with the East
Side with me. So it's like, that's dope that we
get to you know what I'm saying. See everything in
the city got to offer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
I mean, it seemed like so much since since like
y'all took off and really seen success, it seemed like
just Buffalo, like the Bills are even playing great. That's crazy,
YA might need. You might need stocking the team. They
might need to get y'all some stock in the Buffalo Bills. Man,
they might. Man, I think, man, because y'all made it
cool to be in Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
Now, Atlanta did it, Saint Louis did it. A lot
of cities did it. Yeah, and I think Buffalo the
sports team is hot, the music is hot. That's why
we showed them support man. Yeah, because it's like me,
we and this ship together.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Yeah, exactly, you have to. You got to support each other.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I was at the fucking what's this ship? I was
just at the Giants What the Giants?

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Cowboys?

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Giants Cowboys gang?

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
That was crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I was in the
sweet with all the rich motherfuckers. I was in the
Sweet the motherfuckers with ray Liui.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
I forgot his name. Man, I apologize forget your name.
But this dude owns a bank. You banked the letter
you like he owned a bank.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Yeah, I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
He was telling me how he had ninety four hundred acres. Right,
It's like crazy ship.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
You know what I'm saying. It's like what you tweat
that ray Lewis almost broke your hand.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
He did, Yo, ray Lewis shook my hand. Seriously, you
shook my hand and it hurt it. Yeah, but you
get No. I walked away two minutes later. I'm just
chilling and I'm and I realized two minutes I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
My shit still worked. I'm like, what the fuck? He did?
Still know me? No?

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
I shook his hand, I met him, and then I
went back to take a picture. So you see the picture.
He got his arm around him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Yeah, it's like he's like a sofa. Yeah, you know
it's like God, damn ray Yeah, like real ship. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Actually on my I g But we was with Mike
Tyson and we were, you know, taking a bunch of
group photos or whatever, and then Mike was like, let's
take a solo pick and it's Mike Tyson is my
favorite fighter ever. Of course he did like the dapt photo. Yeah,
you could see the fear in my fucking eyes. My
whole hand was for the rest of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Your dog. So we went We did the Mike Tyson
podcast a while ago, and you know, the whole time
to ride over there, you know, it's like this is
Mike Man. So it's like we kind of like niggas
is excited, but niggas also like, but what Mike were
getting because you just hear stories about you don't know
what we're getting with Mike Tyson, you getting Mike come in.
We had at the at the office. He come in

(01:13:52):
and I wasn't expecting him to be so soft spoken
and friendly. But then, like you know, after we did
the episode, we smoking me talking and Mike like the
he like one of them niggas that like to play
with his hand. I'm like, we're not gonna do that.
I'll do that with every other nigga in this We're
not doing that. We're not playing with the hands with you. No.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
He was shadow boxing in the kitchen and it was like.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
Yeah, yeah, like yeah, it was just like, oh no,
you still know how to The athletes are machines, many machines.
Even after the pro days, man, they're still conditions all
from all them years and conditioning.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
They're still in shape, man, Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Mike might have been the only time I've ever been
started strucking mindenthire life.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Yeah, that was big me and Mike Tyson was definitely
like and then you know, he fucked us up when
he told us that he was you know, it put
things in perspective for me to always say that that
that interview and that that conversation with Mike Tyson changed
a lot for me when he told us before every
fight he was scared to death, and I looked at
him like what he said? You know, no, I was.

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I used to be in the locker room scared to
death like every fight. I'm like Mike, we used to
be at the house and knowing you about to knock
this nigga the fuck out, were talking about it. Don't
order to fight.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
He's gonna be down and he's gonna be out in
two minutes. Paid a hundred dollars for this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
He's like, yo, I was scared to death every single fight.
And to me, that puts so many things in perspective
of like, Okay, if we think who the baddest, toughest
dude on the planet is, if he's telling me that
he was scared, then that's a natural thing, Like, Okay,
we can all this, we can all be scared.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Real ship, if Mike was shook, he punished a lot
of them dudes and he was scared. I still go
back and watch that ship. Yeah YouTube, of course, what.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Uh how much money would it take to be Mike's
sparring partner training for a fight?

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Me, Yeah, nah, I'm cool. I like ship. Might not
read like I like my health. I'm not herman the situation.
I'm not jumping in the ring with Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
I've I've done some ship to chase my dreams before,
but I could never imagine if boxing was like my
main dream and the way to get there would be
to be mike sparring part Like, all right, you gotta
do this bullshit job to get to the next level.
Let me spar with Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Is a bitch, right, You can't. It's a lot of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
You can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Rib breathe can't sit up exactly. You don't want bruises. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
My cousin used to box professionally and I still spar
with him. And he broke my ribs last year by
accident because he didn't realized, like, I'm not a professional boxer.
I don't know why he didn't realize it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Like, don't like that he.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Broke my ribs. Every movement, every breath you take. I
didn't realize your ribs legitimately is like the source of
your body exactly. But I couldn't even breathe correctly for
six weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
What's the craziest thing that you woke up and read
about yourself on the internet that was absolutely not true?
And he was like, all right, I might be more
famous than I thought to that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
Them saying I got seven million dollars. Okay, I don't
have seven millionaires.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
You know that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Yeah, I'm like, damn, I'm like, what the fuck did
I wear yesterday?

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
You know what I mean? Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
I'm saying that the net the Google networth ship people,
Let's let me know. If people don't know the value
of money, they don't know because you know, people's believing
that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Oh yeah know my mom My mom googled my name
and legitimately called me not even on some funny ship
it said I was worth four million dollars and my
mom was mad at me. So you've been just holding
money sometimes? Like I swear on everything I said, I
would have my mom come on our podcast and explain
that ship. She called me up. She was like, you
have four million fucking dollars and you just haven't told
me real ship.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Yeah, my mom called me. It was a thing at
one point that I was dating Cash Doll.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Well that was that was the thing though.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
She was like, no, no, that seriously, that's how she
called me. She was like, oh, so you were cash
all together?

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
I said, who, I'm not knowing your mother never even
met her. It's funny your mom would know who Cash
Doll was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
That's what I was.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
I'm like, what are you talking? I'm like, my get
off the internet, like you just googling some ship and
now you're reading everything, and now you're coming to me
with it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
I have was a weird question. I feel like we
should have asked more guests and rappers. How do rappers
view the podcast world? That again, how do rappers view
the podcast world?

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Like this boom of a whole new thing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
We on your heels, we trying to start, y'all see us. Yeah,
we love it because it's like different, it's taking over.
I don't know what is what is it about these
conversations that intrigue people so much.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
I think it's because I think what we do, we
always try to make sure we have some type of
personal connection.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Exactly because the ship I'm saying right here, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Talking about it, I know, but that's but this is
you know, this is what it is different. But I
think that's what the beauty and podcasting well for us.
Our angle is always you know, we don't like to
get people on a press run because you kind of programmed,
you're in a press run, you answering things a certain way,
you don't want to answer certain things. So we try
to keep it to where it just feels like more

(01:18:39):
of a conversation. Like I don't even like holding this
mic because I feel like I can't. We're just like
I got a mic in my hand. This means this
is going out to somewhere, Like I like to just
sit and talk to people that I already kind of
like have some type of relationship with. They know that,
you know, I can ask whatever, it's just and vice versa.
You can ask me whatever you want to ask. I
don't want to, you know, hop on bull shit and

(01:19:00):
talk about bullshit that people probably ask you every day,
and just have you know, just just a different level
of conversation, like a more you know, not just I
don't want to talk to Bennie the Butcher. You know
what I mean, I get it and I can feel that, yeah,
like we talk about ship you know and it's certain
ship I would never talk about on Mike with you,
But I just feel like you and I or you

(01:19:21):
know us, we can have a different conversation. I think
that's what podcast that makes it just more intimate. It
makes it a more intimate and it's different.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Is different.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
It's like talking to the homies.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Yeah, that press run ship. Like with radio, I feel
like the pr person sets that up and you got
a full day of different radio studio or different radio studio,
same questions. They may not even really know who they're
talking to that day. Let me pull up Wikipedia and
ask them bullshit questions with the long farm content you actually,
of course you can ask the relationship, but that can't

(01:19:49):
fill up our idea, like you got to actually have
some human moments for people.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
That's a good idea to catch people outside on press
runs because you're right, three spots, three interviews.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
You don't talk that seven people did four phone interviews,
Like you don't want to sit down on the couch,
you want to go to sleep.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
At that you feel like and you feel like you're
you're you're you're selling something. Yeah, like I'm here promote that. Yeah,
we just hear kicking and I'm not kicking nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
I don't know. I mean, we're just talking.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
And I feel like the average fan that, like you know,
obsesses over their favorite artists, only gets them in the
press run. So they only get the all right, who
produced this, who's featured on the album? Type of They
don't know their favorite artist when it's not album time.
So when it's in between press runs, that's when.

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
You actually get you there to talk about that your
favorite artist is only the album.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
So yeah, I just think it's a better form to
do ship. But you know, speaking of which, where's the album?

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
I'm cooking? Man, I've been in a lad with hit Boy.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Man, I got I know, they seen me with some
zatoven beats, been in a studio with atl Jacob Pirates,
at studio with Mike Will made It. I'm about to
jump in there with Darren J're about to jump in
there with Al But I got a lot of hit Boy.
I'm about to jump back in there with hit Boy.
Might let him Boy do the whole album again.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Not sure, still in the early stages, but I got
some records.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Okay, Well, who haven't you worked with that you want
to producer? Who haven't you worked with that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
You want to Yay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
I got to get in there with Yay and Dre.

Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
I gotta get in that room. Conway was in Yeah,
you know what I mean. I gotta tell him, like, bro,
don't you never not bring me with you?

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
Ever, Yeah, I got I gotta get I gotta get
the niggas numbers out his phone.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Man, that's where I want to go.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
So what's the plans with uh? First, we're good to
see el Camino is good to hear him. See, I
always liked him. What's the plan with Rick? Had? El Camino?
He love Rick the whole.

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
It just continued to push the envelope more. I'm trying
to get Rick Hided into producing more of the artists albums.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
He ain't about to drop an album Fuego Bass.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
We finished with his album Going Crazy, watch like him
mark my words like out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Trying to get Rick Hi to produce more. You know
what I'm saying, trying to he A lot of people
have been taking to hem. They a lot of people
feel like he stood out on the tape. So his
album about to drop next.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
He's ready to go.

Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
We were just in the studio with sp me sp
and heen did some shit for his album.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Uh what else, love Boat?

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
We just we're still working on like finalizing his situation
at Veric Street.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
But he ready to go.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
Mackie Christina Mackie, Man, she's crazy talented. We got young
world trying to get the artists in a to doing
like other things instead of just you know, being in
the studio doing the music, work with each other, work
with different artists.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
All right, y'all think Tony died at the end of.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
No I think so. I think he's always saying today,
y'all think so. I don't think he did.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
You know, they'd be trying to always leave room to
do more shit. We end up passing away with James Go.
We end up passing away. But I think they were
trying to leave home. I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Man, it would have been fucked up. They smoked Tony
in front of his wife and kids and onion rings.
You gotta show us that's that's a that's a fucked
up to die.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Big dog.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
You got to show us Tony getting smoked like you
can't know, I mean, if it ain't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
It ain't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
I mean I've seen all the internet conspiracy theories with
like how they shot it with the point of view
and Tony looked this way and the killer looked this
way and then it went black.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
He was saying like his daughter was looking up at
the yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
And then like members he was wearing a members only jacket.
And that was the first episode. I was like, oh, yeah,
this is some nine eleven conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
But that's how it happened.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
They said the one dude walked in the restaurant but
didn't walk back out, that was him walking.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
That was the gun in the fucking bathroom or whatever. I
don't know that, that whole Soprano ship. I just feel
like that that changed TV completely and.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
Did like a lot of these shows, even the black shows,
man like the It's like it brought us to TV.
You know what I'm saying. It's like the wire type
of ship. The wire, the wire and the Sopranos. I mean,
it's like the father of like the TV we see
to day.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
If you ask me for sure, how do you feel
about Snowfall?

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
And I love Snowfall Man, Snowfall.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Of the Wire.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
I don't even like that, you have to think.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
I gotta go I gotta go wire because the og.
But I'm loving Snowfall, you know what I mean. Like, man,
I think I'm Franklin Saint. I mean it's like and
I met him. I met him at Diddy House. Cool dude,
you know what I'm saying. Cool dude, Cool dude.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Did you see many Sings in York? The Sopranos?

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Did I love that movie? Did you love it? I
love that a lot of people didn't like it. They
didn't I liked it because they was expecting a different type,
right right right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
I was one of those people. I went in there
with expectations. Maybe I should I think Sopranos, I think, uh,
the writers, directors, everything deserve expectations because they're so genius.
I went in with expectations and I didn't dislike it,
but I was a little wasn't enough. I don't really
think anything happened at all, like in the movie what
happened to the movie?

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
I think I think nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
We got to know, we got to know, like we
got to know Uncle in his younger days. Yeah, we
got to see his treachery. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
We got to know a little bit about Tony's father.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Listen, I'm saying I got an issue just being Eskimo
Brothers with my friends, let alone my father. Yeah, I
don't think it was sick that he was sucking his
step mom.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Of course it was.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
Yeah, he killed his pop so.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
He could be. I ain't gonna say that's why he
killed him. I guess it was so he could be. No,
I'm not I'm not gonna give you that. I see
why you I understand it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
But it was other it was other ship, it was
other things.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
It was definitely think I think that would have been
a good intro to what a series could have been,
Like that should have been the movie into what that should.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Have been a series.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Yeah, right, Like I'm definitely expecting that with another part. Yeah,
I hope it got to be two or three, Like
we gotta see Tony. We got to see Tony do
some criminal ship.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
I loved that baby Chris was crying saying every round
Tony Like, I mean, it was one of my favorite parts.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Like that tied into the series.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
And I liked how they had I forgot the gentleman's
name that that plays Chris from the Sopranos Ship. He
was in U Dead President, he was in mass Ship.
I like that he that he intro the whole ship
of like, yo, it is the guy that killed me.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
Yeah, that was dope.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
I thought that was And I liked seeing I like
seeing like.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Them making the characters younger, you know what I'm saying,
and and and and the younger characters like trying to
get like from the series, trying to uh mock everything
those guys was doing, and trying to get the looks
down what I'm saying, like Uncle Junior, I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
I think that was dope.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
I thought for a long time. Yeah, and emotional for
a long time. A long time. He never switched his
glasses up, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Yeah, but nah, I just always wanted to know what
you thought of many scenes in North.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
And I love it man Fansit me like the the
Sopranos jacket, the Sopranos Jersey fans in me, all of
that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
How much of calling the label black Soprano family, do
you want to kind of brand it with the actual
Soprano show?

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
A lot?

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
A lot actually, because I'm a fan of the show.
I'm inspired by, you know, the I'm inspired by the
Lakoltra Nosha culture, culture, family and hierarchy, you know what
I'm saying. And you know that that don't even stand it.
Just in the criminal world, you know what I'm saying.
We run in the business. They ran them like fortune

(01:27:41):
five hundred companies. So I'm inspired off of things like that. Yeah,
I mean, I just you know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
I do want to I do want to indulge like
and I want to do like mob movies.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
That's why I love the movie because anytime they give
me anything like a mob movie, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Like what's the one?

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
And ship the uh Russell it was Russell Buffalino not
too long ago.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Oh Irishman, The Irishman. I love that movie to lash
and I got that movie got a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Flak, So I love The Irishman.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
I don't think we moved get another Good Fellas. We're
never gonna get another good Folks. We shouldn't another casino
like those let those you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Know what I mean, because if you try to, it's like,
all right, see now y'are playing games like don't do that?

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Leave that way, what's funny about The Irishman is like
it was like the deluxe album of Goodfellasse. Good Fellas
when you look back at all the Mob movies has
the least amount of action. It's a very just dialogue
the entire time. Of course, you got the scene when
they beat up Billy Batsmall ship, but it's a fucking
quote unquote boring movie when it comes to action. In
my movies, The Irishman was just three hours of dialogue,

(01:28:48):
whereas Goodfellas was two hours.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
You could take it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Yeah, I think that's why people hated that. But Irishman
is a class I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
I love that. I love it too. I love it
and even.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Those history with that whole shit, you know, Iris the
time Russell Buffalo Buffalino.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Yeah, like that's eerie, pa.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
It was right next to Buffalo, what I'm saying, even
though the name that has nothing to do with it, ironically,
but yeah, around that time, like Stefano Magadino, he was
the Buffalo crime baars. You know what I'm saying, Joe
Banano's cousin.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Yeah, I feel like like the whole Commission case and
all that shit, wasn't that by Buffalo where they.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Was upstate and it was upstate in the Appalachian Mountains.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
Well, uh, Stefano Magadino, the Buffalo crime boss, he was there.
He's the longest running crime boss ever. He was the
boss for fifty years. He was the only person who
ever to do that like that. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
I feel like Buffalo as a city is still like
that blue collar union type city that doesn't really happen
within the Tri State anymore at all. Do you think
that that actually has anything to do with how y'all
built your fan base of just like regular ass people,
not even an organized crime shit. I feel like Buffalo
still one of the few blue collar cities. People are

(01:30:03):
born and raised there, stay there. It's not a transplant city.
I think that has anything to do with the fan
base that y'all started with, because I the Griselda fan
base feels like the homegrown, blue collar like we was
raised here type.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
I think so, which that's why I feel like a
lot of New York City acts aren't really making it
because New York City has become such a transplant city.
It's not New York is the way it used to be,
whereas Buffalo to me outside looking in still feels like
that type.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Of thing, I believe.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
So I think us being from damn near the middle
of nowhere like wanted people to root for us, like, oh, man,
where they're from. And also it made it less territorial. Yeah,
like we were not from a borough like you know sometime,
you know, that kind of hindered us too. If we
talk at East Coast music, if you ask me, I'm
I'm Benny the Butcher and Groselte. I feel like, you
know what I mean, If Benny the Butcher was from Brooklyn,

(01:30:53):
you know what I'm saying. But now it's like this
though we don't We don't deal with none of the
politics of the boroughs. These dudes, don't fuck with these dudes.
These don't know what I'm saying. We don't deal with
none of that shit. We don't deal with none of
the politics because we're from the middle of nowhere. What
I'm saying, we don't got none to do with that shit.
People just enjoy our music a certain way. So I
feel like man being from Buffalo definitely helped us. It's

(01:31:15):
nothing never came from out that motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
I think everything is shifted. Whereas if you weren't from
New York, Atlanta, la Oors used to be like, I'm
not in the main markets, I can't make it. I
think if you're not from the main markets. Now, like
Jack Harlow, I think he's become that whole state's champion,
like everyone wants to get behind him because he's not
exactly from a maze, like, oh we got one finally,

(01:31:38):
Whereas New York is like, we have ten thousand raffers
in Brooklyn, Why am I get behind you because you're
from Brooklyn. It doesn't work that way.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
Now, that's a fact.

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
And I think that's that's a tactic that people use,
and they want to go get like the middle the
middle of nowhere kids, the middle of.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Nowhere people, because it's like, talk about your area. We
heard about all of these cities before, and tell us
about this place we never heard. We've never even been
to this motherfucker. We didn't even know this shit exists.
Wrap about it for us. I think people into that
what happened to the record you had with with nas
on the hit Boy and never I think hit was
telling me that he kind of didn't fit the burden

(01:32:14):
and proof and it was for burning to proof and
it didn't fit.

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
But we was listening to the other day and I'm like,
it fit this it fit this one. Yeah, I mean
I was listening. I think it fit and it's crazy
you said that. But I'm thinking, like, I'm going to
revisit that. I want to see if I could use
that for this album.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Okay, yeah, oh shit, I haven't heard that one. Yeah,
it was a treat one. I need to hear the novel.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
It's a good one, man, it's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Man. I'm trying to tell you all right, well listen, man,
I don't want to, you know, sit here and talk
so much longer. But I am glad that, you know,
we was able to see you and kick it with you. Man,
I haven't seen you in a while, but I'm proud
of you. I'm happy for you, always rooting for you,
and you know I'm rocking with you forever as family. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
So man, I appreciate you, fellas. Whenever I run into y'all,
it's a good thing because nine times out of ten,
we always working or we're on our way somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
We had an event. So It's always good to see that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Let me. That reminds me though, that I'm working. When
I'm working, it's working, man working. But I'm proud of you.
It's good to see you, man. Love appreciate you'all boys.
All right, it's been another episode of New Rory and
Mall with my guy, my brother Benny the Butcher. Shout
out the rock star energy, yes, and shout out to
Rory in the sunlight hitting his face.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
Sunscreen at this point, shout the culture lab.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Everybody, sir, it's nice in here. I'm gonna throw me
some ship in here.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Man. Oh no, that's yeah, now that I know we've
got a clubhouse down here. Yeah, for sure, I'll definitely
be back down here doing some shit I shouldn't be
doing in ours office, all right,

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