131: The Vow & Mounds with Nikki Mayard

We’re joined by Lazor Wulf writer Nikki Mayard to wrap up The Vow with a nylon sash. Why did the editors save all the men’s rights stuff for the 8th episode? Did seeing Keith Raniere go full Frank TJ Mackey explain how people got so deep into this cult? Did he also maybe murder a bunch of women? Who is the best Vow character: Mark, Sarah, Catherine or Nippy? How privileged do you have to be to get into this kind of group? Will season 2 explain it all or just make everyone more frustrated? Then it’s another edition of Pyramid Pals with a great call and email about our fave buildings. What’s the deal with ancient mounds? What is the best corporate pyramid, and should we save corporate pyramids from the wrecking ball or let them be lost to time? All this and more on a new Night Call!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's two thirty four am in the center of the
world and you're listening to Night Call. Hello and welcome
tonight Call, a call in show for our dystopian reality
I am Emily Oshida. I am in Los Angeles, and

(00:22):
with me on the other line as always are Mom
and Lambert and Tess Lynch. Today we will be joined
by our special guest, Nicki Mayer. We'll be talking about
the vow. We're gonna be talking about some voting stuff.
Uh and surprisingly shockingly more pyramids. The pyramids are coming
out the wazoo. Everybody's got a pyramid, so uh. But

(00:44):
first we're going to take a night call. Hi, Night Call.
I have a prediction. I think that Katherine Oxenberg, the
former Dallas actress and current Nexium mom warrior, is going
to be asked as a real housewife of Beverly Hills.
I just feels like she has the right category. I mean,

(01:06):
she looks great, so I'm wondering if we will see
that in Thanks by well, great question. We are joined
to answer this question by our friend Nicki Mayard, who
is a writer for Adult Swims, Laser Wolf and Netflix
Enter Galactic Nikki. Welcome, Hi, Hi, This question is great.

(01:31):
Has this occurred to you at all? No, But I
have a really weird relationship with the Real Housewives franchise.
I really love it, but I don't over the last
few years, I don't really watch TV as well anymore,
but my whole timeline does so I know things without
having to watch. It's kind of like my relationship with
Keeping Up with the Kardashians. Yes, I'm like, I watched
enough seasons that now I can just watch other people

(01:53):
talk about seasons. You can keep up by osmosis. It's
a multi platform experience. I'm planning like a mega binge
watch of like all of them if I can, like
in the deep winter, in the deep Covid winter, when
my brain is done. I got back into Beverly Hills recently.
I had the same thought. So they're messy. I like them.

(02:13):
I'm trying to get into Potomac. Oh, Potomac is the
best because I got into them last season because I
was like, yes anything that's like a lot of black
women are like fine. Potomac is amazing because they still
let their real lives be plot lines on the show,
where on on Beverly Hills, they like keep it. They
have to have like fake plot lines for the show

(02:35):
and then if something like something real did happen this
season seemingly, which was a good season where Denise Richard's
uh may a sexy gay affair with Brandy Glanville. But
the main reason I think Katherine Oxenberg couldn't be on
Real house Lives of Beverly Hills that they all live
in the valley now and Malibu and it's too far.

(02:59):
She's just a real housewife of Malibua. But not to
make this too much like the Californians, but getting from
the from the West Valley to Malibu is actually not
a huge schlap. I mean, let's be honest. They are
closer together than like Hollywood, and Malibu is like an
hour and a half away from where I would watch
The Real Housewives of Malibu if they wanted to do

(03:20):
a second l a franchise. Wasn't Yolande At some point
Yolanda was a Malibu and Yolanda is just like Catherine Oxenburg. Yeah,
they're the same genre of women. I feel like Cather
is also a royalty, right, so I'm imagining like she's
got that European kind of Genia favorite. I watched. I

(03:40):
watched with the watched with the subtitles on, and when
she's talking to her mom, it's just says princess, and
you're like, oh, Princess, Nikki. I was going to ask you.
We were talking before we started recording about whether or

(04:01):
not we have been able to actually watch every episode
of the VOW so far. Have you watched every episode?
I've watched every episode. It's eight, right, the finality hasn't
happened yet, right, Yeah, I watched every episode. We're all
in here on the VOWE, even though it is the
pacing of the VOW is so incredibly slow. I am
all in. I will say I'm not up to date,

(04:22):
but I don't mind being spoiled because I think, as
we'll discuss the dissemb like the the distribution of information
that the VOW is is uh you know doing, is
very manipulative. So I don't mind like being spoiled. Let's
talk about that. So on the most recent episode, episode eight,
to spoil you, Emily, all of a sudden, they like

(04:44):
revealed all the real stuff that they haven't been showing
the entire show about Keith just being a straight up
men's rights activists. Yeah, he's literally a living mentalist's disgusting.
It's also just like I was kind d of saying
that I liked the show even though it is edited,
super weird and the information is laid out in a

(05:06):
super strange way, Like they have never given us a
bio of Keith Ranieri. Even though we're eight episodes into
the show. We don't know like what his childhood was like,
which seems relevant for well, wasn't it he was a
judo champion at age eleven or something. We hear what
he tells people in next year hatched out of an
egg and was immediately good at judo. That is his biography,

(05:29):
long as you called it like, it's kind of like
the Last Dance. Be similar to the Last Dance where
it's like you're just it's like like it was birthed,
it was meant to be destined. That's that's like I
feel like Keith Vaneery like became he was born with
his barrel chest and rounded shoulders. No, it was like

(05:54):
super It's just like the Last Dance because it's edited,
the timeline makes no sense and they keep jumping around
back in time, so you're like, wait, I thought we
were up to this and then they're like, oh no,
now we're back at the beginning of doss or whatever.
It just is very confusing, but maybe that is to
emulate the feeling of being an occult. I don't know.

(06:16):
The first time that I noticed this, it wasn't with
anything so um, I don't know, Damnan or anything. It
was just the omission of the fact that, um, yeah,
Sarah Edmondson that she was married and was like married
within Nexium and had a partner in Nexium and none
of that. Like we spent maybe two episodes with her
before we learned that, which it's not like crucial information,

(06:39):
but it really changes the way that you think of
her within the organization, like being married to somebody within it,
like at an all next cum ceremony. Like up until
that point, it felt like, oh, she's just like trying
out this thing and she's on an adventure and she's
discovering herself. But it's like, no, this was like you
were super installed at this point. It wasn't like and
you were, you know, opening centers and stuff. This person

(07:02):
everybody making this documentary was so deep and nexing um
is what you find out eventually. Yeah, Nikki, you had
some good thoughts just about the cult in general. I
think I think, like what so when I first started
watching it, Okay, the first thing I didn't like was
how they made it seem like Sarah and Mark wereth thing.
And then they were like, oh wait, you guys were
married to separate people, and I was like, why did
we started this way to go this way? I didn't

(07:24):
need the weird fake relationship for an episode. And then
they're like, we're just friends, and I was like, I questioned,
Like that whole framing made me feel really weird. And
then on top of that, like you're moving through it
and you're like they're not really telling you where they
come from either. So like with the bio, the lack
of bio of Keith Reneering, you don't have a bio

(07:45):
on any of these people, I don't know where they're from.
I don't know what if they're really I'm assuming all
of them are rich. I just am because I'm looking
around at their houses and I'm like, and their ability
to travel and yeah, and it's like like it was
nothing like everyone was like I went to all but
I was like, you just packed up, like no questions asked.
So I I'm like, there's a lot of like, um,

(08:08):
it's yeah, it's like a very tight framework and I'm
like addicted to it because of that, but also like
the hell are all of you? Yeah? I mean Mark,
I feel like we get the most background on But
it's also because I mean you can't really talk about
Mark without talking about what the bleek doing now, so
we you know, and then you're like, Okay, he has
money because he is a filmmaker and had this, you know,

(08:29):
a couple of pretty successful movies and the pre Q
and on Zone. But yeah, like I but other than that,
it's like, oh I was an actress. It's like I
don't know, like how does she have that? I mean,
that's what I'm saying, Like where did you come from?
Like are you like a trust fund person who needed
something to do and went to l A and try
to be an actress? Are you from the Midwest and

(08:51):
you really worked your way over there? So that those
things to me make a difference in how I'm understanding
how you came to uh executive success program? Yeah, you
know what I mean, Like I have my ideas and
also like I didn't feel the funny thing is in
the beginning, I noticed that I didn't feel like anyone
was particularly dumb, whereas like where I'm obsessed with cult

(09:12):
stuff because I'm always like how and I always said
how like I'm always how from the Keith perspective, always
like how do you get people to just hang onto
your every word? And but when I thought about it,
I was like, when they first started it, I was like, Okay,
I get it. This is like a like one thousand
of those self improvement classes, you know what I mean.

(09:33):
And I and like I could see how they got
into it like it was. I wasn't like, oh, this
is weird. You went out of your way and started
dressing and alread and moved into some weird plane in Oregon,
you know, Like I'm like, oh, this sounds like you
were taking some classes to try to get yourself together.
But like the Sashes, when we get to the Sashes,
nobody was like, is there a dweeb in charge? He

(09:55):
was acting class Like we We talked on the podcast
a few weeks ago about how the in the beginning,
in the first two episodes or so, it really looked
exactly like any kind of acting class or like a
really intense writer's group, and so you can see how
it would appeal to people in the entertainment industry. But
the sashes, it's true that when it's really the juxtaposition

(10:17):
of the visuals, you know, of them wearing the sashes
and them doing these strange presentations and stuff, and it's
you juxtaposed that with what's supposedly the basis of this organization,
and you're like, there's a really big disconnect here. You
guys are acting pretty cuckoo, and they act like it's
nothing when they started calling him vanguard. But I'm like,
that's the thing that made you susceptible to a cult.

(10:39):
I need a little more background about who you are
to help me understand why you heard the word vanguard
and you weren't. Like. I think there's a group vibe
thing though, and I think that's the thing that that
I mean, that's the cult thing in general. But I
think that's also something that a lot of these people
shares that like they wanted to be, like in a club.
They wanted to And so it's like, if if everybody
else is saying normal to Colus guy, Vanguard, it's normal

(11:01):
to wear a sash like you want to be you
want to be accepted by this club. And if you say,
L O L what's the sash business, then you might
not get to, you know, go to the volleyball. It
feels like they really they lay it on pretty thick
at the beginning to get rid of anybody who might
know that this was a cult. Yeah. The people that

(11:23):
stay are all like a certain type of person. And
I think I said the other day, like there's no
black people in that car, that's right, and that is remarkable,
like not even like one random like oh hey, you know,
how did you end up here? There was one? There
are people in the pictures there there are people in
the classes, like there are people in the classes, but

(11:44):
you can there's a really good one. There's one. There's
like two people. There's one lady that's in the classes,
and it kind of seems like she's a part, but
she's never shown again, so you can tell that, you know,
if she is, it's like she's still in like worker
B mode. And then there's a picture of a guy
at one of the like they like show a picture
and there's a black dude and he's literally made his
eyes are like popping out of his head, like he's

(12:05):
like looking at the person next to him like what deep.
But there is also there's the women. So there's the
anonymous source, um, the Brooklyn and she was brought in
by a black woman. She said yes and she and
she was like specifically thrown by like oh and it
was dass too. So it was like talking about the

(12:26):
master slave thing and her being like really like this
is what you're like. It's not even like but like
as I really feel like like when she says she's
in Brooklyn, I was like, yeah, this woman literally looked
at her. I was like, it's not even really like that,
Like I can hear the voice. I was like, it's
like my brother when he's like getting my mom, you know,
Like I'm like, I know the voice, I know the
voice that she used to get you to do this.

(12:47):
But also but also that like that I think, Um,
when I say that, it's not to say, uh, like
we're less susceptible to cults, is to say that, like
this is clearly also speaks to the class of people
that were in this group and how they like actively
we're not really trying to let in people that didn't
look like them, you know what I'm saying, Like the

(13:08):
reason I love the vow. It's like my favorite genre
of movie show anything, which is white people being horrible
to white people. It's like no one has to watch
any trauma because everyone's just like I'll keeping it inside
internal that's great, Like everyone here is privilege fantastic. That's
why kath and Oxenburg belongs on the house as of
Beverly Hills. That's like the peak of that genre. She's like,

(13:29):
I gotta She's like, I gotta get my daughter arrested.
I'm like, fascinating, fascinating, fascinating. Guy's exciting news. India Oxenburg.
She got out of next m I think also they
got a season two I don't know if here, yeah,
like season two of what. As soon as they got
up to like this woman lives in Malibu in this

(13:50):
beautiful palace and she was on a soap opera and
she's like a white woman whose daughter is named India,
I was like, I know these people totally. So this
is like an aspect of the show that I want
to get on that I don't think we've talked about before.
And it's sort of that like white people being horrible
to each other genre, But it's also like there's something
about the opening of the opening title sequence of the

(14:11):
show that rubs me the wrong way, like souper like
from day one. First of all, like I don't know
why the filmmaking team who makes it are are referred
to as the others, but it sounds that sounds culty
already like and it's with like and it's without the
last e and it's it's the tumblers tumblers. Um. So
there's this yeah, this thing of like Okay, there's already

(14:33):
this sort of like new ag wo Wou collective, it's
making this documentary. And then the opening is like these
images of our main subjects like Bonnie and Mark and Sarah,
like having these introspective walks and staring at the water,
and it's very much like you know, like searching stock
photos for like troubled woman victim something like that. Uh,

(14:57):
And it's all this like it feels like we're and
I watched this show about these people who are purely
and specifically victims healing from this trauma. Like it's a
very like healing from trauma like self help type imagery
and vibe and that I think it should have been
a red flag to me when I started watching this

(15:19):
because it's so much more complicated than that, and I
don't think the show is equipped to deal with that
because they are getting their story from this very specific
side UM that is just as culpable in many ways.
You haven't even watched episode eight yet, right, So episode
eight I was I had to pacee. That was the

(15:39):
one that actually like set because that one actually features
like you get to see what the abuses, like what
the actual problem with this cult was. And the thing
that blew my mind when I watched UM episode eight
was the lack of accountability. Like that was the point
where I was like Mark, honestly like my Like, you know,

(16:01):
there's a scene where there's a scene on the pier
where Nippi basically is like what are you doing? Like
why are you trying to talk yourself? Because he's being like,
we're good people. It was a good thing. And my
theory is that Mark wants to be Keith like he's
And I don't know how much he believes this because
I don't know him and I'm not his therapist, so
I'm not gonna conjecture too much on it, but it's

(16:22):
like I believe that he wants to be Keith. He
believes that there's a good way to be Keith, and
I'm like, the fact that you even want to be
this is already bad. But there's no way to make
wanting to be this person good. And I think, I mean,
i'd be interested to see him have a mental breakdown
from realizing that season two, that's what's going in season two,
I know. But he like interrupts his wife at the

(16:45):
end of episode eight, you know, she's her and Katherine
are laughing about like, you know, they're just laughing at
the absurdity of not one of them not saying anything
about how absurd some of the rituals looked like she
was sleeping in a dog bed or something, and he
just like fulies on the handle. And my favorite part
is as he's doing it, Bonnie looks up at him.
She goes, I'm fine, just so you know, I'm okay,

(17:07):
And I'm like, that's that should have been the title
sequence of the whole documentary. That's also very you know,
it ties in with the whole society of Protectors and
and Janess and how there's just this like rampant misogyny
that we're just finding. I mean, it's we always kind
of knew it was in there, but in episode eight
they really lay it there. And I think maybe Episode
eight was also where they talked about the fact that

(17:28):
Katherine Oxenberg had brought India into this organization. Hello. I
mean the whole time, you're thinking that she's, as the
caller put in a mom Warrior, where she's just been
horrified by this the entire time, but she dragged her
daughter into this and now is upset that India remains there.
You know, like when her mom stopped going, did she
not check on India and say, Hey, I'm kind of

(17:50):
cutting myself off from this because it feels something she
and her mom went together for like two years. See,
that's so fucked, Like like I don't know, I haven't
gone to this part it, but like you can still
lay out an interesting and complicated narrative that is surprising
about how people get involved in an organization like this
without withholding that degree of information like you're putting it

(18:13):
in episode eight. Yeah, it's crazy. I Mean somebody was saying, like,
why did I watch eight hours of this stuff to
get to this stuff? And I was like, well, that's
how a cult works. They're like all the interesting info
is gonna be a secret that will tell you At
the end, I will say this is incredibly fucked up.
But episode eight was like the first time that Keith

(18:33):
Ranieri shows like real cult leader charisma that you understand
why people got in this cult. It's like they show
all the Frank T. J. Mackie stuff that he does,
which is like you understand suddenly, like oh, he's not
just this like gentle fake youth pastor guy. His whole
thing is like you know, the cock is king, like

(18:56):
master the cunt stuff, which is like, okay, that is
a totally different thing than just like self improvement. You know,
they set it up well because the episode before that,
when the ladies talking about how he was playing, he
was like pressing her pressure point and that's how he
got her to stop smoking. But then when she came
out of the room, someone was like, you were in
there for two and a half hours, and I was like,

(19:17):
this man sent you into a few state what so
you know, like and like, you know, it's so easy
when you first see him on screen to be like like,
I think you described it so well, Molly, You're like
this camp counselor. I'm like, yeah, like everyone feels like
they know this dude, and like, if you have been
through certain experiences in your life or have you learn
certain things like that, he probably looks like a walking

(19:39):
red flag to you. Not to say if he doesn't
that you're any better or less. Trauma works differently, but
you know, it's like I'm looking at him and I'm like,
you know, but you know that there has to be
something like sure they look it to you, but you
know that there has to be something that got all
these people to believe in them. And you're watching episode
eight and I think the most ridiculous part is when

(20:00):
he is talking about with a level tin like like
you made up these modules or whatever the hill right,
and he's like, you girls couldn't handle a tent. We
just sexually shocking because when he when he jumps up
and goes boom and then he has the woman go boo,
and he's like, no, that doesn't scare me at all.
I would have pushed him in the face. We have

(20:30):
to talk about this because Molly, you've been watching this
investigation discovery series about Keith Nary, which gets into a
lot of the stuff that the Vow has not gotten into,
and a Daily Mail article about like the fact that
he may or may not have literally killed at least
a few women. He may have murdered like four women

(20:50):
including um is her name, Pamela, who was referenced in
the documentary, a longtime girlfriend of his who dies of cancer.
But she's not the only person who have died of
cancer who dated Keith through neary Um. It's really yeah,
do you know about this? Nikki? Uh? Molly gave me
a little heads of about the four women. I didn't

(21:10):
know how. I figured Pamela was one of them, but
I didn't know how that they had all died, of
how they had all died, and that they had all
died of kids to two of them were presumed um suicides,
and two of them had cancer. And then many other
women got sick when they were living with him. And
so this documentary, which is called The Lost Women of Nexium,

(21:30):
it raises the question of did he poison the women
that lived with him with rat poison? Because they found
traces of barrium and bismuth in a hair sample from
one of the participants and they were like, You've got
crazy heavy metals in your hair, what's going on? And
then they also had Frank investigator Frank from the from

(21:52):
the Vow. He weighed in on this as well. The
craziest one. I mean, the poisoning ones are obviously crazy,
but the one that they sort of it's just one
episode and it's also a very weird documentary. It involves
our man Frank a lot. Oh yeah, who's a weird
with the blog. I'm obsessed with Frank. I think Frank
and Katherine got a little love Jones going on. I

(22:15):
need to know. Yeah, there's something like this documentary has
also involves Frank. And then the person who told me
about it also said that it's maybe like funded by
Roger Stone because they were trying to make some sort
of a connection between Nexium and like the Clinton body
count thing. So it is possibly a little like you
and on related, But it's the thing they start with

(22:39):
is this woman who went to a retreat in Alaska,
a Nexium retreat at a hotel and then was found
killed with a gunshot wound at a lagoon with a
suicide note that said don't look for my body. Um.
And she was married to her wife, is like in
the documentary she usu married to this woman, but she

(23:03):
possibly had an affair with Keith and then possibly got
pregnant with his child and announced it at this Nexium
retreat and then was like dragged out and then mysteriously
died like a day later. So all signs point to Keith. Well,
it's not hard to even believe any of that, even
without him having to be I mean, he's I mean,

(23:24):
he mistreats women in his home and he like controls
their diets and he causes them a lot of stress.
So I'm like, even if you didn't kill them, like
physically kill them spiritually, like there's no one no one
living with you or no one living with you over
a long period of time, he's living healthily. And they
get up to a part they play like an audio
recording of Keith being like, I've had people killed, I

(23:46):
could have you killed. I mean, I'm not surprised, literally
like I've had people killed because of my beliefs. I'm
not surprised because, first of all, how do they have
so much footage of him? This is my other question
I have from Mark Boo. You've got a lot of tea, Um,
where did you get it? All the tea? From? You
got a lot of tea sounds like you were in
that kitchen cooking. What's up? Like, like what you like

(24:08):
vision goggles versions of him being like we're gonna get
Like why is he so comfortable speaking on camera with you?
Why do you have all this footage? I need a
little more information, my friend. Like, that's the thing that
really hooked me when he's trying to like you know,
that's that's the reason. I'm like, you really wanted to
be him, because so much of what is interesting about
this documentary is the access that you had. You keep

(24:32):
replaying that clip when they went to see the Dali
Lama and he's like and he's like Mark, Mark, Mark,
you know, every every every clips like Mark, Mark, And
I'm like, you know, okay, great you left, but you
seem to be like really like removing yourself from a
lot of stuff that you saw in real time. Mark

(24:53):
is like the most interesting person in the world to
me because he's such a blank. He was in a
different halt before Nexium that they haven't talked about, called Rantha,
which is like way crazier than Nextium even Granta. Wait,
what how do I not know about Rance? Okay? I
saw Rantha for the first time at the UFO convention

(25:16):
thing I went to last year at the at the
convention center, they had like a Randa booth. It's like
this woman who's like, I'm the reincarnation of like an
ancient spirit, multiple thousands year old being, and she like
has a funny voice that she uses when she's speaking
as Randtha. I mean, I would love to see a
documentary about Rantha because that one even more is like

(25:38):
you're you're really you're screening for people that are going
to be like, yes, this makes it makes sense. And
it said actually even more about like more like you know,
definitive things about Mark, the sente that he was into
that he's so impressionable. It's just like he seems like
that like what the bleep do we know? Too? Is
just all people being like what if yourselves? How little spirits?

(26:01):
And you're like, oh my god, you know, what if
what if they did? Everything he says about himself and
the way he grew up, especially in the last episode
where he's like, it was always a weird boy, because
that's how you talk. It was always a weird boy.
That's kind of an incredible and that in that accent.

(26:22):
I'm not even gonna hold, y'all white people from South Africa.
That accident really creasy out because I'm like, it's like,
it's like, you sound like a colonizer in the film,
you know what I mean, what's happening? You sound like
a villain um And he's just like yeah, you know.
And and he's like, I was never I could never
fit in and the boys they make fun of me.
And I was like, you are severe. So here's my
thing that I said about next hum from jump. I

(26:45):
yelled this at the TV and then I tweeted it,
and then I yelled at TV again and I was like,
this is so crazy. You'll spend so much money avoiding therapy,
like this is a therapy avoidance club, Like it's just
a bunch of broken people with no life plan, which
is fine because maybe isn't a lifestyle. Therapy is like
a thing that you commit to and it's boring and

(27:05):
it's right. Given this, y'all, given this more hours than
you would need to give therapy, like therapy would be
less intensive and less money and less money and just
as intense, like you would feel all these because the
other things for therapy, they're addicted to intense feelings so
it's like a bunch of people who don't have any
beliefs or any like real say on stuff, and they

(27:26):
come into this program and Keith gives them intense feelings.
So they're all like, oh, it's working because I feel
intensely like the woman who literally starts crying, and it's
like I used to be bullied by boys in high school,
like really crazy stuff, and I'm just realizing that they
were going through the same thing. I'm like, that's insane,
because you know what, I don't feel the same. I
was like, you know, you know, that does not feel
like you're trauma. This sounds so mean, I have to say,

(27:49):
but it's like, you know, you assume that a lot
of people who get into cults are coming out of
like traumatic life experiences, are like trying to like men
some harm that's happened to them in the past, spent
a lot of the next sm stuff just feels like, oh,
you have nothing that you feel to find to you,
like nothing has happened to you. Because there are two
types of people that joined cults. There are people that

(28:10):
join cults that are severely traumatized, but the main like
bank of cults is people who have no they're empty boards,
do you know what I mean. They don't really have
a sense of life, they don't really have a sense
of self, they don't really have a sense of purpose.
So because they're so white space white board, you can
write anything on them. And they're like, I'm just so
happy to be of use. I'm just happy to feel

(28:31):
of use. And that also that ties in with the
with the constant texting and the tasks and all of that,
because I think a lot of these people too it
kind of lost their way in their careers and stuff
like that, and they're basically given a job and their
job is to self improve and they have someone they're
accountable to, so all of a sudden and it it
kind of calls back to Marks not Mark two Keith

(28:51):
former business cb I, where he it's like a pyramid
scheme and you feel like you're an employee of self improvement,
your way at the bottom. You're constantly being held accountable.
And I think in a way that maybe plays into
the guilt that some of these people have if their
acting careers had slowed down or something like that. And
they want to be given like orders, they want to
be given jobs, they want to be working working hard

(29:13):
at something that's this ephemeral thing, or they're just like
rich and privileged and have no direction in life and
then someone comes in who's like, here's what you should do.
I mean, that feels like the India thing like that
to a t like that seems like she did with
her mom. She did it with her mom, who also
was a rich, privileged person who really didn't have anything
to do. She just became an actress. And like I
was talking about this, but on the Real Housewives of

(29:34):
Beverly Hills, Teddy Mellencamp, who's John Mellencamp's daughter, runs this
thing that's like called an accountability coaching service that turned
out to be like to me, it felt kind of
similar to DOSS because it's like they're texting you all
day to make sure you didn't eat, you know, to
be like like show me a picture of your food.
Oh like take those carrots off there like too many
calories and people pay for this time with the carrot.

(29:58):
Let us have a carrot. My mom, My mom is
one of these people. My mom has never joined a cult,
but my mom is extremely susceptible and I mean I've
had to watch her like try to improve her life
through a lot of pyramid schemes and a lot of
multi level marketing schemes, to the point where I had
to like warn my brother because she was dragging him
into it too. And my mom is the same thing.

(30:20):
Like my mom had no um my mom was no
life goals. So like she was a teacher and then
she moved here, and then she became a nanny, and
then she became a mom, and then she like worked,
you know, she immigrants to My mom has like a
union job in a hospital that she's had for like
forty years, so she has like tunts. She also it's
like you know when she when she retires, she'll be

(30:41):
taken care of. But it's like my mom. I used
to watch her like latch on my mom to like
Primerica like all that stuff. Like Mom would just latch
onto that stuff because she was just constantly trying to
like self improve. And that's the thing. It's like, it's
not just the thing about the thing about the cult.
The thing about cult and the thing about this the
valve that made me keep watching it. When I said

(31:03):
that I was watching and I was like I didn't
feel like anyone was particularly stupid, you know. In the beginning,
I was like, I don't feel like I'll dumb. And
that's the thing that people forget about cults, Like it's
not that they're looking for dumb people, They're looking for
vulnerable people. And so when you we get so focused
on this is something that happens to it's human right.
We watched this stuff because we're fascinated by like I
would never end up in a cult, or like how

(31:24):
do I make sure let me find out? It's like
it's like the morbid way people always ask how someone die,
so they do, you know, if it was some way
they can avoid you know what I mean, And you
do that and you're always like how do they do it?
But the thing that the problem with that is that
we're all trying to not be victimized, so then we
don't look at the villain. So the thing that I
actually liked about episode eight, even though it was really

(31:46):
hard for me to watch because it was so misogynist,
it was like so diabolical, was that it was like,
now you get to see that this is a manipulative person.
These people aren't idiots, you know what I'm saying. Yes,
they didn't have a sense of purpose. Yes, they are
privilege and they didn't know what they wanted to do
with themselves, But that could happen to anybody, you know
what I mean, That coul happened to anyone at any time.
And this person is seeking, you know what I mean,

(32:07):
Like he's sniffing out people this way. So that's why
I say, like hearing all these women harm themselves or
died under durest, it's like, whether he did it or not,
it's like they were this predator manipulated them, and that
takes on a physical toll one way or another, you
know what I mean, Like, even if you didn't fake
or suicide, the fact that she's commits suicide right after

(32:28):
doing all of that is because of you. It's literally
because of you. Yeah, and episode nine We'll Be will
have aired by the time this comes out. But I
think they're finally going to deal with the fact that,
like the biggest nexium contingency that still exists in Mexico City,
there's like an entire, an entire wing of nexium that
they haven't talked about it all because they've just been

(32:49):
focusing on these white people the whole time. And then
at the very end. They're like, oh, also there's a
whole Nexium thing in Mexico. So also it's a very
like aristocratic like it's similar. Yeah, it's like it's like
seeking out rich people's like the son of a former president. Yeah,
tons of It's a city of people who are like
what am I going to do with my life? Sorry?

(33:10):
I went there in February. Is the last thing I
did before It was the last thing I did before quarantine.
And I was walking around and as someone who survived
like gentrified Brooklyn and like come to l A, I
was like, oh, I see Yeah. I was like, I'm
having a good time, but I see why this city
is the one yelping right. Yeah, Well it's a lot
of like art, you know, people that were in the

(33:31):
arts or want to be in the arts, and here's
somebody telling you, I'm going to make your dreams come true.
I'm going to make that project happen. That big documentary
about nexium that what is it called, like carbon carbon
content or something. Mark's documentary that his biopick of Peth
with the little cutie horrible cheap drawings of Keith are

(33:54):
very that's the worst. Now we talked about that that's
like my absolutely so oh yeah, uh well, Nikki, thank
you so much for joining us to talk about the bow,
one of my goals all season. And what's to get
you on to talk about? I know? I was like,
I've been talking to you. It's just you and me.
It's just me and Molly on the timelin going for

(34:15):
the back, Nicky, before we let you go? Where can
people find you on social media? I am Judd, Nikki,
j ut n I k k I on every single
thing anywhere. I don't have a website because I just don't.
And you should watch Laser Wolf on Adult Swim or
HBO Max. When is that coming? Uh? Season one is

(34:36):
already out and on HBO Max just got to UK.
I think it's going to be in Canada soon and
season two is coming out in December. December, so I
got some good surprises for that lasor Wolf rules. Hey, Molly,
Hey Chess, Hey there Emily, Hey guys, shall we take
another night call? Let's do it? Hey guys, my name

(34:58):
is Jason, and I am a mail carrier and an
avid listener of your podcasts and I been thinking about
something I could call you guys about. And it's occurred
to me that maybe I should let everybody know to
put their names in their mailbox before the election because

(35:18):
ballots are coming out in the state that I live in.
I'm not going to state the state, but I'm in
the Western States. Yeah, I just stopped that up. In
terms of all the voting issues going on, it would
be a good idea for people to make sure, especially
if you live in an in an apartment building, put
your name in your mailbox so you'll get your your

(35:40):
ballot on time without any confusion. To help people get
their ballots. Uh, there's a lot of things can go
wrong in the mail We're not perfect, and that's that's
really all I wanted to say. I love your podcast.
I don't know how many conspiracy theories to share anything,
but I think we've got enough on our hands as
it is. So help your mail mail carrier out this

(36:02):
year and make sure you get your mail and put
your name in your mailbox. If you don't want to
put it on your in a house where somebody can
find out what your name is, put it in your
locked mail box so your mailman can see who lives
there and your mail will get delivered to be for
a free to address and on time so you can
all vote and get rid of the stipuniality. Thanks so

(36:23):
much for your podcast. I am so glad that there
is a postal worker who listens tonight call, at least one.
It warms my heart so much. Thank you for calling.
I feel like I had this thought prior to getting
this call. I think I was just like out, you know,
watching my mailman do his rounds, and I was like,
I wonder if there any any of them listen tonight call.

(36:46):
This is great, This is just great. Um. Do you
guys have your names on your mailboxes? Actually, when I
first heard this call, when it was in our our mailbox,
our virtual mailbox, I was like, oh, I definitely need
to do that. I still get a lot of mail
for the previous residents of uh my house, and they

(37:07):
are were, I don't know, big Trump supporters. So I
always get very nervous when I bring in the mail
that someone's going to be like, there goes tests with
her big Trump mailer. Yeah, yeah, number one Trumpian. Ye,
they got your numbers. But yeah, I'm definitely gonna put
my name in my mailbox. And also I wanted to

(37:28):
say that for anyone out there who wants to track
their ballot um. This is the first year I've tracked
my ballot. I don't know if it was even available
before this, But if you do vote by mail, you
can go to I think it's ballot tracks and it
makes you feel better just to see it go. I
also signed up for that before I even got my ballot.
I'm gonna do it, guys. I don't know should I

(37:49):
vote in person or vote by mail. I was just
going to vote in person, like, because I do you
have a mail ballot? Yeah, I have one. Well, they
have those ballot boxes now that are like special ballot boxes,
the real one one. But what I did last year
was filled out my vote by mail ballot and then

(38:11):
just turned it in in person. I've done. That's what
I was thinking of doing, just so that I can
see it. I don't know. I just wanted mine in.
They start counting the ballots as soon as they are received,
and I just I And part of it is that
I have such crushing anxiety, as I'm sure everybody does
about this election, that I just wanted to know that
I had done it, and then whatever happens in the

(38:32):
next few you know weeks that it's it's been done
and I know it's been counted. Um. But I mean, yeah,
there's so much anxiety about all of this and uh
means going on the mailbox guys. Yeah, I always do it,
just because I moved so much in general, like I
move on an average of once a year, and so
there's always I'm always getting other people's meals. I've gotten

(38:54):
other people's ballots. This has happened to a lot of people.
I've I got somebody else's ballot, and like I'm not
I have to share what to do with it. Um.
But yeah, I think like just you know, especially now,
and also especially like I don't know when everything is
happening via mail because we're not going on. It's like
I don't know. It's just smart, don't get your packages stolen, cetera. Yep, Yeah,

(39:19):
it's nice for a mail carrier to sort of confirm that,
like sometimes the mail has problems and be careful with
your mail. So on a totally different topic, UM, I
would like to thank all of our listeners for being
so enthusiastic about pyramid Pal. This was a shockingly enthusiastic topic. UM.

(39:39):
We now are going to be branching out a bit
from just pyramids to also mounds. This was mounds and ribs.
I think, Emily coins, I just want to get into
calling pyramids rits it, you know, outs the rits. Yeah,

(40:04):
we got a bunch of interesting emails and calls about
um these these these formations. So let's start with a
call about some mounds, just to mix it up a
little bit. And I call, um, so, I just calling
about the pyramids of pyramids how from last week? Um

(40:24):
so the first weird thing I'm actually related to Oaks Aints.
Uh My mom found this out about six months ago,
and she's been doing a ton of genealogy in the
last six months and found that out. And yeah, it
turns out loves shady dealings other things. I wondered if
you guys could talk about mounds. So there are pyramids,

(40:47):
but also the mounds of North America are really cool
to the Cokey Amounts are the ones in particular that
I'm thinking about. They just kind of look like a
giant Dare mounds. But when you start to intereven and
if you've ever been to them, they have a lot
of experstens about this that they used to be really

(41:09):
big pyramids and the mounds are kind of just the
base and then above that they had these giant wooden
structures or sort of workships, sacrifice rules, who knows, um.
So anyway, I think that's right. I love mounds. How
do you guys feel about mounds? Mounds freaked me out
a lot. Mounds rule. I'm pretty freaked out by mounds.

(41:31):
Just the idea that I could not know it was.
I mean, anything I might not recognize as being there,
but is there is kind of scary to me. But
they're fascinating. I actually was not familiar with the Cohokia
Mounds UM. They're across the Mississippi River from St. Louis,
and they're pretty ancient and they do just kind of
look like hills and then you can see their stairs

(41:54):
going up the hills. But they're fascinating. Yeah, it's super cool.
The first mounds that I was familiar with, we're actually
natural mounds. These are in Washington State, but you wouldn't what.
I just started laughing at the Mima Mounds UM, and
they are they actually look much more unnatural than the

(42:15):
Cokia mounds. They look like something that was put There's
like a land work type thing. But they're apparently caused
by maybe gophers. Nobody really quite knows why they form.
But they just look like acne basically on the surface there.
That's just like bumps um. It's very strange. But yeah,
they give me a weird feeling. It's like, it's like, what,
what's the fear of small dots? But like the holes, Yeah,

(42:39):
the hole sphere, it gives me that feeling. It's on
a massive scale. It's kind of the opposite of the holes.
But I guess it also is not the opposite of
the holes because there's holes in the mounds. Yeah, Earth
is so cool. It is so cool. And also we
were talking about the fact that you know, pyramid pals.
We could go on forever. But we're also very interested

(43:00):
in just strange, more end or mysterious dwellings. So if
you have a weird building, mound thing that is inhabitable,
please give us a night call about it at two,
four oh four or six night. You can also text
us at that number or email us at night call
podcast at gmail. But we should also move on with
more pyramids. We got we got more pyramids, We've got

(43:21):
more many pyramid emails. We got one from our listener
of Alora, who is at A who works at the
Center for Land Use Interpretation, which I don't know about.
You big fan. Also very stoked that somebody from uh
Center for Land Use Interpretation listens to the pod as
stoked as I am at somebody who works for the U. S.

(43:42):
Postal Service listens to the pun. I'm a big fan
of Aurora. We should have her on sometime. Yes, Aurora,
come on. The pod also does one of my favorite
Instagram series, which is Castles of Burbank. I believe cool.
She takes pictures of Maybe it's just the l A,
but it's like she pictures of a lot of buildings
that are in the form of fake castles of all kinds.

(44:05):
There's a really good fake castle by where I live
that I should show you guys sometime. It's insane, but uh,
this is this is a Veras email, She says. Uh.
American pyramids have been an ongoing topic of personal interest
and of interest at the Center for Landy's Interpretation where
I work. Here's a pyramid collection we've been working on
over the years. We'll link to it in our shore notes.

(44:27):
And a silly poster of some pyramids of the USA
I put together for an art book fair a couple
of years ago. One of my favorite American pyramids is
the Center of the World and Museum of History and
Granite at Felicity near the California and Arizona border along
Highway eight. It's a truly special place, and you can
get a taste of it through its website, which we

(44:47):
will also link to in the show notes. It's been
a few years since I've been out there, but it
seems to still be open to visitors, and I highly
recommend stopping by if you're in the area. And then
she also tells us about the four or steel Case
slash Current Switch pyramid near Grand Rapids, and she says
it's also especially curious. Built in is the corporate development

(45:09):
center for the somewhat utopian office furniture slash design company Steelcase.
In it was sold to Switch and adapted into a
massive data center. Unlike the Center of the World, this
pyramid is not open to visitors, but you can check
out the corporate video walk through here. I love the
the phrase utopian office furniture slash design company utopian office furniture.

(45:32):
I approve of the Steelcase brand. I've never heard it
referred to as utopian, but I get it on like
a gut level. My desk is a steelcase desk. I love.
It's a good brand. We just love pyramids. Oh my god,
this the steelcase one. I want to start with that one,
just because this is which is my favorite. From a
esthetic position, it is. It looks the most like the

(45:56):
Pyramids and Blade Runner of any of these that we've
seen so far, because it's not a sheer glass side
like the lux Or or like the Astrosenica pyramid. It's this.
It's this sort of tiered thing, but it's not a
ziggurat type structure. Is a pyramid that goes up, but
at each what you can tell is like a floor
in it. It only looks like it's maybe five stories tall.

(46:17):
It's not that tall, but it's a very broad pyramid
and it looks very eighties, very space age, very star trek.
It's so cool, it's perfect. It's beautiful. Um. I highly
recommend people check it out. We will link to it
in the notes. Yeah. I mean, I think we just
love retrofuturistic things, and like nothing is more retrofuturistic than

(46:40):
the pyramids because the ancient Egyptian pyramids obviously still feel
incredibly futuristic, and it feels like there's still stuff that
is not you know, people we don't know about it.
It also feels like you know, and on one hand,
it feels like a not it feels cool because it's

(47:00):
not the most efficient use of space, Like it's not
a box, which is endlessly you know, you can stack
a zillion boxes next to each other and it's a
city and and they all you know, can fit very
tightly next to each other, and all the airspace is
taken up. But then it's also like there's I mean,
the Egyptians had to be onto something with the structure

(47:21):
of the pyramid, like that's why they're still standing. Like
it's a very structurally sound form of architecture. It's just
not like spatially efficient in the way that we're used
to now. But that's why it feels like kind of special.
I guess, yeah, fuck being spatially efficient. Who wants a box?
That's what I mean. You know, maybe the geodesic dome

(47:42):
is like the thing that is more spatially efficient, But
it does just feel like there are so many ways
to make dwellings. Why do we just make this one
kind of dwelling. I would love to live in a mound.
I mean the dome is kind of the skeleton of
a mound. You to live in a Hobbit house, what
you Yeah? Yeah, for sure. I love natural houses and

(48:04):
I think that just looking at ways people were dwelling,
you know, in pre Columbia and America is very useful
because it is not like we have done such a
great job with the land use, with the colonizing. It's
just like, especially with climate change, it just feels like

(48:24):
finding ways better more to build housing that's more in
tune with nature, earth houses, stuff like that. You know,
what the Steelcase pyramid made me think of is what
if we could make bricks from our trash, you know,
like recyclables and stuff like that and build pyramids that
look like the Steelcase pyramid wall E style. That's a

(48:47):
great idea to build like a Watts tower style pyramid.
I mean I spend so much time on Wikipedia on
the like Outsider Architecture page and stuff like that. I'm
American pyramids. There are so many cool things that people
built with like no money, just out of trash and
so much trash, and there I think There have been

(49:09):
articles recently about how, you know, trash that's kind of
like thoughtfully disposed of can kind of become part of
the environment in a non harmful way. But honestly, like
you look at the steel case pyramid and tell me
we couldn't We couldn't make a trash pyramid to live
in that could be very efficient to you, guys, I
have a crushed file cabinet here. That's our base, Like

(49:31):
that's the base or that could be the top. And
you know why it's crushed because I didn't get a
steel case steelcase built to sponsors. Should we take another
night email? Okay? This one comes from Jonathan high Night call.
This week's discussion of Astra Zeneca brought to mind New
England's other great pyramid, the Apex Pyramid of Pawtucket, Rhode Island.

(49:55):
The Apex Pyramid is a zigarat shaped former department store,
visible right next Interstate just north of Providence. It was
built in nineteen sixty nine and designed by Andrew Geller,
who is best known as one of the designers of
the model home in which Nixon and Kruschev's kitchen debate
took place. The department store closed in the early two
thousands and the d m V moved in. I got

(50:15):
my first license there. It's partially reopened as a store
and as the subject of an intense preservation debate, namely
whether it's a true landmark or an eyesore that should
be replaced with a soccer stadium growing up here. I
know multiple people who have had dreams about climbing it.
As a former archaeologist, I can say that this is
the best pyramid I visited. The second best is the
Great Pyramid of Giza. Two things that foggle the mind

(50:37):
about it. That's great. Unlike other Egyptian monuments, the Great
Pyramid is completely unadorned inside, no higher glyphs, no carvings.
The king's chamber is just bare polished stone, with the
four foot high base of a similarly undecorated granite sarcophagus
off to the side. It's uniquely creepy. When I went,
two middle aged American ladies were sitting on the floor
and chanting in an attempt to commune with whatever was

(50:59):
responsible for this spooky vibes there. The pyramid is about
two fifty one yards on each side, and it's only
point oh five percent from being a perfect square less
than four point five inches. I've also driven past the
bass Pro Pyramid in Memphis with the friend I visited
Egypt with. We've tried to complete our pyramid punch cards
with a visit to Nicholas Cage's Pyramids Future Tomb in
New Orleans, but we couldn't quite find it. So this

(51:21):
Apex pyramid, this one looks much more like um a
seventies church. I'm going to say it has that vibe
to me. I'm not as big of a fan's pyramid.
I disguy speaks very very highly of it. Personally, I'd
rather see the Great Pyramid of Pisa that was pyramid.
But it does have kind of it looks like a
pizza hut. Yeah, it kind of has that like the

(51:43):
roof of an old McDonald's type thing. I though, can
understand wanting to climate because it looks like there are
a lot of great places to sit because it's sure,
you know, but it also looks like it Mike cave
in if you sat on it, it looks kind of
that's true, But looking at I was reminded of like
that that kind of era of architecture, and I was like,
how have I not mentioned Ki Arena in Seattle again

(52:07):
coming in with the Washington State references here, that was
the basketball or it was where the it was where
the Sonics played. And it is a weird thing because
it's not exactly a pyramid, but it ends up looking
like a pyramid. It's more like kind of a tent
type structure um, but it's raised up so it doesn't
go all the way to the ground. It's like there's
a glass there's glass sides on it, and then this

(52:29):
sort of tent roof that comes to a point in
the middle. Yeah. I mean I have a real soft
spot for that kind of seventies and eighties, like brutalist futurism.
I understand why other people might think it is ugly
or you know, an I sore, But compared to like
the horrible everything being glass style of now, oh yeah,

(52:51):
I find it a much more. I mean, maybe it's
just because that is our nostalgia for being younger, but no,
I just find it it doesn't feel us those just
glass and steel buildings, like the fucking Sofi Stadium that
is allegedly opening. But you know, covid Um is just
like so blade runnery in a way. That's genuinely dystopian.

(53:14):
It has no warmth to it whatsoever. It's all glass
and steel. These have like warmth to them to me. Yeah,
I think the interesting thing would be to talk to
kids who are, you know, going to games that structures
like this, like the new like that kind of structure,
like a new, shiny arena, and see how they feel
about it, Because like, when I look at the Key Arena,

(53:36):
I'm thinking about myself as like a child, like a
young child, and like how it looks so cool and
adventurous and like I wanted to like climb all over
it. It It looked like a fun, inviting structure, even though
it's crazy looking. And I wonder if kids feel that
way about this sort of noveaux architecture that like this
glass and steel stuff that's so dumbinant now, Like, do

(53:58):
does a kid look at the Sofi a d M
and be like cool? I wanna I want to explore it.
I don't think anybody looks at so Fi Stadium and
that's cool. Well yeah, but I mean I don't know,
like I think that like you're saying, though, like I'm
sure that when these these structures were contemporary, people were
like what an ice or Yeah, I mean the thing
that's interesting about so far is that it's like half built,

(54:20):
so it does feel very like our ruins in progress
half Star. Yeah. Or they did have the half death
Star on will Share for so long. You film museum
that's opening that is literally in the shape of the
death Star because it's a George Lucas museum, But like
a lot of things, it's like they either ran out
of funding or just you know, I couldn't finish it

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on schedule. So there was this half built death Star
on will Share and Fairfax for years, and I liked
that way more than the completed thing obviously. Yeah. It
always made that part of Miracle Mile feel just like
a little stressful though. Yeah, I mean that is a
stressful part. But yeah, I mean I think also we're

(55:04):
coming to this point where people are like, should we
preserve some of these buildings that are like these seventies
and eighties buildings that people are very divided on esthetically. Um,
they just knocked down Lacma here, which is a building
that a lot of people like fifties building actually, but
it was very glass bricky. It was it was it
like I wasn't limestone. I mean, it was very sort

(55:27):
of ancient Egyptian ey. To me always, I felt like
it had sort of a pyramid feel even though it
wasn't a pyramid. And there's that great Japanese pavilion that
was really like a spiral staircase building, like an upside
down Guggenheim. Yeah, no, it's it's it's weird, like I think.

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Also the thing that's kind of throws me off about
the newer like whatever our contemporary version is of these
pyramid buildings, I just call it like Apple store core. Sure, yeah,
I guess a lot of it just feel is really cheap.
To me, it feels really like flimsy um. A lot
of condo buildings that are supposedly luxury buildings. I look
at them, and especially like in l A, when places

(56:11):
get like dirty really easily because it doesn't rain ever, uh,
it just looks like it it can so easily turn
into just looking really really crappy, and that's poor design. Like, well,
there's there's all that stuff. Now that's like what they
built a million of in every city. You know, people
call them like the gentrification blocks, but they're those those

(56:31):
apartment buildings that look like a bunch of lego blocks.
What they really look like to me, it's just like
twee brutalism. Yeah, it's like brutalism. And then they'll be
painted a fun color. There's a fun color on it,
Like you know I'm saying, it's like then they get
dirty and it's just brutalism. I'm really excited for whatever
happens after coronavirus, like if there are if we somehow

(56:53):
adapt our architecture to reflect how this has changed everything,
because I also think that a lot of these is
kind of like luxury you know, condo buildings and luxury
apartment buildings that spring up that are also uniform inside
they're all open floor plans. Um having them be all
glass and steel really lends itself to these big open
rooms with big high ceilings, and I think that's just

(57:16):
not what anyone needs right now. And I think that
we're going to have to adapt to assuming that you know,
pandemics are because we've lived through it for the better
part of a year and potentially could again, Like what
kind of architecture reflects being caught at home? You know,
you know what I'm looking forward to is like, you know,
how during the energy crisis in the seventies, Like, oh,

(57:38):
there are a lot of structures that just don't have
windows because they were an energy efficient. Like what if
all of these glass buildings have to get greened and
just get like covered up in bricks, like getting changed
in a shell and a candy shell. But if they
have to get green and we just let like annihilation

(57:58):
plants take over there, we go, Yeah, that would look cool.
I'm very excited by the idea of, you know, more
outdoor spaces being attached to units, like having there be
more of an outdoor zone inside of apartments. And I
think that having bedrooms with built in work areas, even
though that's probably awful for your emotional well being, it's

(58:20):
you know, having everyone have a work area and envisioning
like a two bedroom with three people in it or
four people in it, where everyone has a space to work.
Like I'm I'm excited by the idea that an end
of an era is coming and like we have to
get more creative. Now, well, that's like what the total
recall isolation tanks will be. Maybe we're dancing around the

(58:41):
obvious here though, which is the night call pyramid? Oh yeah,
I'm going glass bricks. Guys, I'm going brick bricks. I
think I'm going trash bricks. That's what I'm saying. Okay,
So clearly we combine all these ideas and what we
do is make one out of like coke bottles or

(59:01):
there's there's layers to it and we do chia seeds
around them so they stuff grows on. Yeah, we need
to have some sprouts in the mix. Just to wrap
up our Pyramid Pals segment for this week. We may
have a real pyramid pal connection, uh with two night
callers or night emailers. So the previous emailer sent us

(59:24):
his email. Then I checked the email box and I
noticed an almost identical email from Emily. Not Emily Oshida,
but night caller Emily, and she was also talking about
the Apex pyramid um. I won't read the entire email
because it includes a lot of the information in Jonathan's,
but I will say that she did report. As a

(59:46):
side note, I went to the bass Pro Shops pyramid
back in the entire place was sensory overload, but you
could also feel this vast empty dark space looming above you.
It reminded me a lot of the blue by restaurant
at Disneyland or the areas in Vegas with fake painted ceilings.
I don't have many pictures, but I do remember playing
a fake duck hunting game. Um, but I think that

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maybe these two should be real Pyramid pal. Maybe this
was the end of the road that we were always
leading to. They were linked by the ziggurat. They were,
so you guys should correspond. Maybe well, thank you everybody
for your pyramid emails and calls. I jokingly created a

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segment called Pyramid Pals and you all delivered, So thank
you so much. Um, and uh, you know, keep sendyone
in also send another start. We can really don't want
to be pyramid specific. Any any strange structures that have
an interesting story that you're into, give us a night
call one to four oh four six night and share
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