December 5, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Oh Joe, I bet hard Knock's wishing they were following
the Cleveland Browns around this year. Now it's Dylan gabriel
significant other jumping into the drama TikTok saying, my fiance
Dylan is not playing. I have thoughts about that, but
I'm not gonna share it. She then captured another with
Brown's loss what's new? But then this is he got
(00:37):
into a disagreement with a comment on a post and
row Actually everyone in the building wants him to play,
but you wouldn't know because you've never been into the
NFL or.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Coach, right, but you know you, I mean, listen, we
see this all the time. We see family family members
display their frustrations whatever they may be, really not understanding
how the game works, you know, the ins and outs
of it. And you know she wants Somethingance to be
on the field. You know he's not on the field.
(01:08):
Shador has been chosen to be the court.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
She knows everybody in the building wants him to play.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I mean, they've been on the news for how long?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I'm asking you, how does she know that unless somebody
pillow talking.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Oh come on, man.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Let chance let when you's in Cincinnati, let Chancey say, Man,
my brother ain't getting the ball.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
They need to throw the ball to my ball or traded?
What you tell me?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
What you think the people in Cincinnati and what the
Bengals organization's gonna think?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Where did that come from?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
That that that that I said something you want.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
You to be our fense up? You know they came
that came from you.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
That Even if it didn't, that's what they're going to believe.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's why I always tell family, friends and loved ones
be mindful of what you say, because whether they said
it or not, it's throwing back to them.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, I mean we you know that's his wife. You
know they have those conversations. I'm sure he does. Of
course I want to play. Of course I want to start.
You know, you go home and who's the one who's
the one person you have piece and getting men to
when it comes to with is oh honey, how is
your dead work?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Shit, I ain't starting m hm.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Those are conversations that I had between a couple, a
husband and wife, a fiance, you know, I mean that
that's that's normal. And she's vnning and her frustrations about
oh damn, here we go, what's new?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
We done lost again?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You have to be careful now, Ocho, because back then
there was no social media that your significant other could
go to. Now there's a platform called social media, yes,
that they can go to and disseiminate information all across
the world. And it's staneous. So even if you were
to say and then hit delete.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Is gone.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Oh it's too late.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
It's gone.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It's too late once you hit sentence a rap.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Man, Lord, have mercy. I just I just wish people
understood that it's a It makes it put Dylan in
a bad spot, right because I don't believe see when
she said the locker when she's say, uh, actually the building.
When she said the building, I don't think I think
(03:14):
it's from locker room up. I don't think it's the
locker room down. I don't think it's the locker room.
I think it's from above, the locker room up the building.
I think that's the executive. I think that's the front office.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Hold on, we already we already know that though we
already know that based on the words versus based on
things that have been said, you know, you know that part.
But down down down below where it really matters, the
meating potatoes of the team.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
You.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I don't need this.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I don't need to say no more because I can't.
I can't throw anybody else under the bus, you know,
like like I slipped up long time ago, I don't
want to do that again. But that's what they that's
what they want.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Just be.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
That's what they want inside that building, the people that's
going to war. And I'm not telling you. I'm not
telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What I don't understand is that people need to understand
you're not the center of attention if you weren't dating Gillen,
Dylan Gabriel. How many people you think would know who
she is? That's with anybody unless you Taylor Swift. Now,
Taylor Swiff is a different animal. Everybody knows who she
even if she does not dating Drift. But when you
(04:27):
look at it, Sierra Russ, Okay, that's a different that's
a different dynamic. But we we're talking about somebody that
doesn't have that name, that name or brand recognition that
you're only known. Oh, that's Dylan Gabriel Freance. Oh, that's
such a that's Old Joe's wife. Man, that's o Cho's
significant other. So anything that gets said out of her mouth,
(04:49):
that at Carl, that relates back to football, O Choe
talking ass.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
That's how it is. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's just like stuff at wor when stuff come back
to work.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Oh, I told you that. I told you that.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I've seen situations get messy because something got said in
the locker room. Somebody went back and told their wife
or girlfriend woo woo whoo woo woo woo woom now.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
And it got it and it got all over the place.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Huh, all over the place, damn.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And you know where it came from because we talked
about it in the locker room. And ain't none of them,
ain't none of the wise girlfriends, significant others, beyondces or
whatever they want to be within the locker room to hear.
So one of you, MOFO said it running your mind,
and and in that group it ain't but a small group.
It ain't like we're talking aloud across the y'all across
(05:44):
the room. Uh huh, we're talking in a small group,
four or five.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, oh, so we're on the practice field.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
It's easy to pendpoint who says something absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Absolutely. I always ask somebody, hey, man, Sean, let me
tell you something. I'd be like, Okay, who else you told?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Man?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I ain't told nobody because I don't want you to
tell somebody else and then it get out and then
you talk about Shop.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I ain't tell nobody Shop.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You a damn lie because if you already told somebody else,
don't tell me.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, it's it's Chad.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It's just a it's just a bad spot to put
your significant other end in the locker room. Because I'm
telling you how how I atho least think be at football, basketball,
baseball when something gets out and if team related, they's
like what she must have heard him say that he's
saying that, even if it's not true, she could have
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just been going out on a whim on her own
and saying how she feels. Dylan might not upset anything,
but they're still gonna attach it. It's just like anything else.
If somebody had done something the first person the first
place they go.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Look, yeah, yeah, hey, you see that?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yes, sir, First of all, why you got my jersey?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Don't yo, why you got my jerseys?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Listen, hey, hey, when I ate, let me tell you something.
When I when I hold on, let me tell you
how I got this jersey.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
See when you was out of town, right when you
were traveling and you were doing them alcohol Hey, listen,
you were doing them alcohol signings, and I had to
break in your house, right, and I had to steal
my trophies.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I snatched one of these jerseys.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Up off for you.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I snashed one of these jersey a trade. Huh, how
about we making trade now.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I don't worry about it. I'm gonna keep this. I'm
gonna keep this. I'm gonna I mean, I'm gonna keep
this for the rest of my trophies.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Hey, this is the real deal. To look look at
the sleeves.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Oh yeah, oh, Joe, I got the home in a way.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I like I died. I like that.
What I tell you, what when you send the rest
of my wards, I got you?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah, yeah, I appreciate this. It's heavy, It's stitched up
to this.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
This is the real deal. Oh yeah, hold on, hold on,
and we we looked about the same see the guns, yes.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Sir, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Just Chad.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It is. It's kind of like, oh Joe, if somebody
in jail and they escape, what's the where the first
the first place they go is.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Where they mama?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
They girl, he ain't got no.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
He gotta be going the girl.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Hey, think about it.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
If somebody is saying something and it has to do
with the locker room the first, even if even like
I said, even if that's her, even those her own thoughts,
and she I like to believe she's smart enough and
she can have her own thoughts, right, But that's not
what people are going to believe.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
No, not not at all.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And I don't I don't think she's thinking about it
that way anyway. She was just more self expressing her
feelings based on how she feels about wanting her husband
or husband to be, you know, to actually be out
there actually playing. So but she knows she knows better
now because she's gonna get the backlash and then it's
gonna fall on Dylan Gabriel and he gonna get pissed.
What are you doing? You can't be doing that? You
(09:30):
know they they're both new to this. They're both new
to this, and she will understand. You gotta be careful
before you before you hit sin, you got to think
because once you hit it, it's there for life.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And guess what else, O yoe, guess who gonna get
asked about this? You think they're gonna ask twelve about this? Yeah,
you think they're gonna ask the fans skill about this?
Of course, sometimes don't really have shouldn't look they should
be like, Okay, what do you guys need to do
to get a win?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
What do you guys? Blah blah block, I got now,
I got it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Now I've got to answer answer questions about something something
a lady that ain't a ain't never, ain't only been
going to the game to see Dylan. Yeah, now I
gotta answer questions about what she said that ain't got
nothing to do that's gonna help us win a football
game on Joe, nothing whatsoever?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Hey, it just answer the service as unnecessary unnecessary for
you to the fire.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So I, just like Chad, I would just recommend anybody
young ladies, if you you you you're dating a guy
in college or high school and you guys might be together.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Just keep that in mind.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Everything you say that's related to football is gonna be
tied back to him. And you might have your you
might be like, you might be your own person, you
have your own thoughts, you have your own mind that
I get to talk, I'm I'm, I can speak freely,
but they're gonna tie back to him, and that's not
fair and that's not fair to him. Now, if you
don't want to put that kind of stress, you don't
want to put that kind of pressure, and you don't
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want to.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Sign shine that kind of light on him.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So just be just just be mindful of that that
your actions gonna reflect back on him. It's gonna it's
gonna tie back. It's gonna tie back to him, just
like if you do something out. Oh man, that's man.
Oh man, you said, man, you heard what happened to
O your girl?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Man? You hurt?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Man?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Man, Man, they say sharp girl was acting on fooling
them all.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's different when you date a celeb entertainer, actor, actress.
It's a different set of rules and you have to
move differently. Oh I move how you can't do that?
You can because now you can't just think about you.
You have to think about that other person and the
possible jeopardy of pails you might put them in. And
(11:52):
I don't think enough people do that now, but you should.
I mean the really ones. Oh Joe, you ain't never
seen you ain't never seen Peyton Man or heard her
say anything?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Have you no see'. That's a different type of understanding.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I had no idea that she walked up to me.
She said, you don't know who I am? I say,
I shure, don't. She said, I'm Ashley Man. I say,
how you do it?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Had a great There's I mean, so many people that
you wouldn't even know that's their why, because they're like, hey,
stay in the shadows, do what I do.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
But some understand they have to play the background. Some
understand they have to play the background and they're not
the main character. I understand I'm not the main character,
and I know my place and I know my role.
They are a lot like that. Then there are some
that want to be front center. Mm hmm, okay, that's
my man. I need to be I need to be
front center right along with him. It's different, everybody different,
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and it also depends on who you're dating. Yes, some
people date you just because they want to be front center.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And quarterbacks first of all, quarterbacks bar is a different level. Yes,
you're basically dating the CEO. Yes, you date the CEEYO
the guy, so you definitely, you definitely have to be
willing to take a back seat. You gotta be like
like Savannah James. Oh yeah, oh yeah, she ain't go Hey,
she gonna do a little podcast. She got to look
(13:16):
whatever she got going on. Look, they try to beat
up for Asha Curry. But I'll understand what she's saying.
I understand what she's saying. But man, I just I
just I just hated. I just you know, understand that
they're young though. O Yo, some things, you know something,
Sometimes you have to make a mistake before you understand
(13:37):
the gravity of what you're in and then you get
a true understanding of what you're dealing with. So hopefully
she learned that. Just keep that to yourself.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay. The building wants him to play.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
If when that time comes he gets an opportunity to
get back in there, he plays well, he's over the
hold down the spot. But don't you go on social
media and act up? Oh Joe to Sada says he's
working hard to build trust with Jerry. Judy the said,
it's going to take some time that chemistry with guys
like Jerry. I'm more of a trust person, so we
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have to spend some time on the task. It's just
it's just and I told you, Joe, anytime you anytime
you start doing this right.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Here, Yeah, listen, uncle's a disconnect. You know, it's a disconnect.
Once that Wi Fi get on point, it's gonna be alright.
You have to understand these two ain't working together. Keep
mystery is very important. I think people those that have
played the game at at any level, you understand it's
one thing when you get to the NFL, right, you
(14:42):
have to be able to you have to work with
your receivers. You gotta work with receivers because just because
you have a ball in your hand, you have a
guy out there running routes, doesn't mean you have an
ensign connection. True, there's certain little nuances that you have
to have, certain rhythms and timing that you have to
know that over a course of a training camp, over
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a course of the off season, that you get to
know your receivers. I mean, right now, I understand they're
frustrations they're not winning. Judy wants to get the ball.
Judy wants to be productive in that offense, and things
aren't going the way he like right now.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
But the problem that people are gonna have is that,
first of all, should do or is a rookie quarterback
in only his second start, Like you said, but what
about the previous eight games when Dylan Gabriel was in
there and Joe Flack was in there? So how many
times did you do do we see that at that
kind of attitude on the sideline right, because I'm sure
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Dylan Gabriel said a bunch of them, he killed a
bunch of worms and knocked a couple of birds out
of the sky, and we didn't see this. So people like,
hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Jude, the
man just got it this on his second game started.
He's a rookie quarterback. If he's a second year, third
year guy and y'all still not on the same I
(16:00):
would get it. But in this scenario, it's hard to
get people to be on your side, considering, if I'm
not mistaken, he lead the league in drops and you
had a thirty five yard completion that you let the
guy come from behind you and knocked the ball out.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, so that's what people see. Now.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Last year he had an unbelievable season. James did a
great job of throwing in the.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Ball crazy last year, Yes, crazy, but you.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Have to But oh Joe, now, we can't take one
season and forget about the year that was in Denver
before and what's going on right now.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
We're not gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I just want, I want, I want Jerry to understand
that this is a rookie quarter of a rookie quarterback
in only his second start. How about I mean, maybe
y'all spend some extra time.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
After practice, after practice Thursdays, Friday, stay out, stay stay
out a little bit longer, you know. Get listen, hell,
me and unc men mentor me and uncle well, me
and Carson used to do that.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You used to do that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I'm not talking about when he first got there,
from when he first got there, third year, fourth year,
fifth year.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
We get.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
We got in that extra timing just to know, boy,
you can have we can have a goddamn blindfold on.
He can throw that ball and know exactly where I'm
gonna be at every time on rhythm, regardless of a rush,
regardless of whoever's in front of, regardless of a defense.
So when we were out there, it was like it
was damn it was damn near seven on seven. Like
that's how sharp and on point and precise we were.
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It was like it was damn near life seven on seven.
But it takes time to build relationship. You just don't
go you just don't go in like okay, yeah we
got it. No, it doesn't happen like that. You've got
to put time in. Y'all need to sit in a
meeting room. Okay, tell me what you're thinking on this route.
Tell me what you're thinking on display right here. That's
how That's how it was with John. I'm like, okay,
tell me what you're thinking.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well, if the guy's playing you like this expected on
the outside like this, I'm gonna put it on your
back shoulder or you know, ay, like we were talking
about when that guy's running and I can't beat him
over the top o.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yo, he said, I'm a back shoulder you.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So just know that the ball is gonna come, you're
gonna have to open your hips and catch them on
your back shoulder.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
And you know what's funny is I like that we
talked about this too, and I don't want to talk
about the way I view Jerry Judy and the type
of receiver he is is they're having problems, They're having
problems and issues offensively over there in Cleveland. But I've
always seen Jerry Judy is not a problem but a
solution to the problem, especially with the skill set that
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he has as a receiver, regardless of the drops, regardless
of the issues he's may have had, understanding what he
can do when it comes to putting people in the
goddamn blender, being able to define the mismatches for him offensively,
knowing that he can beat. He can beat whoever is
out there at dB. He can beat like, let me
say this again, he can beat whoever they're is out
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there at DV.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
He's a mismaster.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Damn thar anybody, unless we talk about you know, one
of the top two better dbs in in the NFL.
His route runner is tremendous. His ability to separate the tremendous.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
So I don't even understand.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Where the issues are coming from, you know, especially seeing
them with the with the animations and theatrics on the sideline. Yes, yeah,
let's god damn easy. You know the fact that he's
one of those few players. It's only a handful of them.
You know, I don't got to worry about you here.
I need you to just get open.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Just do that for me.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Just get open.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Oh, Joe, you look at Judy as the number one?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, not even close.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
You don't think so? No, sirry Hey you you listen?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Can I say something real quick?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I know I know some of maybe people in the chat,
maybe you might not be fond of him, But.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I thought he I thought he should have been I
said when they came out he came out that draft
with CD, with Jedda with I said he should have
been the number one receiver.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Take it. Yeah, so hey, and I was happy that
he would.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
But o't Joe.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
He simply simply this, simply this being able to get open,
beat man the man and create separation. That's all I need.
Because the ones that are number twos can't do that consistently.
The people that are number two cannot do that consistently.
Those all receivers that are number one receivers. My officer
coordinator doesn't have to hide. Meet is third down. We
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need you to get open, man the man. I don't
give a fuck, almost curse. I don't care what it is.
Get open, Jerry. Judy can do that.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
He can do that.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I'm just saying, you can name twenty receivers, twenty five
receivers better than that. I mean, he is number one
on that team because you got that. Look if you're
talking about a number one, because he has to be
a number one on that team. But you'll go twenty
five deep receivers before you take him.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So we basic things off skill seid he you're basing
off numbers. What're we talking about?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
His skills are not conducive. Look at his numbers in Denver.
Look at his numbers. Now.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I just said, are you talking about his skill set?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Or we talk about.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Number But everybody is a number one if you just
look at skill set, because everybody can get open.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I just sta.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yes, they can.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
No, I'm not Look, let me take that back. Everybody
can't get open. But how many? How many if we
were to have a draft right now and you start
taking receivers, how long before Judy gets selected? No?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
You you you throwing, you throwing, you throwing in different
scenarios that I'm not talking about.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I'm just he's not saying.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Oh Joe, oh Joe, He's a two, He's a solid two,
a solitude.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
He's not a one receiver?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
What what is it?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
What is what is your number one? What's your right
here for being the number one receiver? I'm curious they
build a game plan to stop you? Are they building
game plans to stop Jerry? You know damn well, they're
not building, no game playing. They're build a game plan
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to stop o Joe sinko. They build game plans to
stop Shining Sharp. He is not a number one because
you know why, Chad, if he was the number one,
Ojo would have said, hell yeah, no, I'm I'm they building.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Are the defensive building game plans to stop him? Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Hold on, so let's go. We got thirty two NFL teams, right.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I asked yourself.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Let me no, no, no, no, you can't do that. No,
let me finish. You got thirty two NFL teams. So
every time every team plays that hasn't no one receiver,
the defense is game planning to stop their number one.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
When we come in, when we come in, absolutely not,
or when we come in on Wednesday? Is he circled
as a d a guy that we got to stop.
If we don't stop him, that's what a number one is.
I'm not saying that every week he's gonna get back,
but we gotta focus on him. We don't stop him,
It's hard for us to be.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It's only five receivers in the NFL that teams have.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
To do that too.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Oh Joe, only final number one and you It'syjo. I
get he's from Miami five.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, A J. Brown, Ceedee, Lamb Pickings.
It's only a few receivers.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Niko Collins is a number one, Tyreek Hill is a
number one. Brian Thomas Jr. Is a number one, the
guy that Giants is a number one. Picking CD is
a number one. Terry mcclaurin is a number one. The
guys that they got two guys in the Drake London
is a number one. Stop this notion, Oh Joe, Oh Joe,
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don't do.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
That on you just throwing anybody name out there.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Talk Coney.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Are they number one? Yes or no? Who are they
number ones? Yes or no?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
You oh so? Hold on. So when you play Atlanta Falcons,
the focal point is stopping. Drake London is Drake London?
The last one is that Jassy? Yes, he's that best receiver.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Okay, you're not in Bess receiver okay JS, JS, he
is not a number. Okay, now now we're talking.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
No, no, we're not. We're talking. Now we're talking.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Now we're talking now.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I like I like that, Joe Nay, I'm I'm I'm
basing on. I'm basing it off.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
What you're able to do? I need skill sets.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
We know, Joe, he's had one year, So what about
those years that he didn't do nothing? So all of
a sudden, So he had just acquired this skill set
last year. The previous three years he lost it and
he's lost it now, but he had it last year.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Nah mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I'll tell you what you take Jared Judy of Devonte Smith.
You take Jared Judy or Jaylen Waddle. I'm just I'm
just asking. Those are guys that play too, So would
you take them? Would you take? Would you take Jared
Judy or would you take Devonte Smil Would you take
would you take Jared Judy or jay Len Wada? Would
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you take? Would you take him? Or you take Pierce.
Would you take Peers in uh in Indy? Or would
you take Michael Piellman Jr.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Over Judy? Which one you take it? I'm gonna give you.
I'm giving you to take Judy.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
So listen, you hear you everything, all the all the
comparison to the teams, and and and and how you're
doing and how you're doing that?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Right? You see what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Well?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
You you you talk about you talk about you talk
about players that are all on competent offenses, that get
that get balls with quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
You see you see what you're.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Doing with Are you trying?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Are you trying?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No, no, you trying to compare the goddamn ship circus.
He got a fucking deal with it, Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
And you're naming the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
You're naming Daniel Jones over there throwing the ball looking
like goddamn Tom Brady reincarnated, Like, come on, man, what.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
About beliefe Neighbors?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
How was he?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
What was the Giants last year? Oh?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
He would gainst him?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
He would you.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
That rum and sale that they had at the Giants
last year. He had one hundred and something catches?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah they Yeah, they threw that thing to him like crazy,
I'm just I'm just this is this is this is
a great this is this is a great comp I
like this conversation. I like this conversation. But let me
tell you something also, situations matter, where you are, matters,
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quarterback matter. It's so many factors that come into play,
especially when you start naming other receivers on other teams
that are in totally different offenses with good quarterbacks and
great offensive systems that that that's all. So it's like,
it's it's almost unfair. They had that conversation in comparison.
But let's lets let's let's let's move on.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, ninety percent of the chat disagree with you. Ninety
percent of the chat say he's not a nunder one.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Hey, ninety percent of the chat can't cover me, no
matter of fact. Hold on, one hundred percent of the
check can't cover me and tell me nothing about playing receiver.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Maybe fifteen years ago you had a very compelling argument. Now, uh,
Jerry Judy leads the NFL and drops and drop percentage
which qualified on target pass he dropped by receiver, Judy
has dropped almost nineteen percent, six percent higher than any
other receiver.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
By old chill.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Hey bad, Oh cho have been a hell of attorney, y'all?
Oh yo, no damn war y'all guilty?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Oh yo? To hear whatever it is the weapon? Oh
Yoda gave it to the lawyer. Oh bad? Look at
my client he do this?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Hey, and you got me hot? Man talking about the check. Hey,
you got me hot talking about the chack and covering
me Man, I'm hot.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Speaking of Hall of Fame tarot, Suggs went on Johnny's
Glory Days podcast and talked about Antonio Brown's upcoming Pro
Football Hall of Fame Candidacy Suggs said, he's a first back.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Is he a first ballot? I wouldn't think so.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
The off the field stuff, they're gonna shy away from
that problem until it gets resolved. They let another murderer
in the nineties. Hold on, they let another murderer in
the nineties. I bet you if they could, they would
have waited, like we might not want to put this
guy in the fraternity just yet. Hey, I don't think.
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I don't think, because you got to think about it too,
had nothing. Look, should a be be a first of
ball Let me say this, Should he be a first ballot?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Based on.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yes, but with t O they changed the bylaws.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They said what you did off the field and what
you did in the locker room or on the sidelines
could be way against you.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
So you see how they did that on You see
how they were able to move the gold posts. You
see how they're able to move the gold posts and
having the power to control, having the power to be
able to control when and who not let in when
the car tire. The criteria for making the Pro Football
Hall of Fame is conducted and based off what you
do in between the goddamn lines.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
So now we're making the personal They changed, Yeah, they
changed it. They changed it for in their favor.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So if you don't conduct yourselves in the matter in
which we see fit away from the game of football,
now we can chastise you for it. We can chastise
you for it. I mean, listen, ab is a bona
fide Hall of Famer. No matter what I understand what
he's done off the field. I even understand some of
the stuff he's done on the field. But when it
was time to go, when you talk about the story
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and you talk about some of the greatest NFL receivers,
they ever played this up almost curse the greatest teams
they ever played.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
This game.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You can't tell the story without mentioning Antonio.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
God Damn Brown, you're right.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I think he's talking about OJ. But OJ was already in.
That's the one thing about that fraternity. Once you're in,
you can't they can't take you out. You're there for perpetuity.
So so I think he was talking about OJ, but
OJ was already in. So there's nothing you can do. Now.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Maybe at USC they removed some of its pairing from
now or they took him. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
But in the NFL, once you go into that building,
you're in that building, I just think the thing is
O Joe.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I just think he's gonna have to wait. They made
t O wait three rounds. TiO.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
If Tio's not a first ballot Hall of Famer, the
man had the third had the third most catches. I
think at the time of the time, he had the
second most receiving yards over one thousand yards. He's only
there's only been three men that's been a first team
All Pro with three different men with three different teams.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Deon Sanders, Ted Hendrix, and one to O.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
So three men in the history of the game has
been a first team All Pro with three different teams.
T O led Sar franciscoing in yards, he led uh
uh uh Buffalo in yards, he led Philly in yards,
he led Dallas in yards, he led Cincinnati five teams
five Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
You know what, you know what I don't like. I
don't like the fact that they hold they hold so
much power. They control everything. Yeah, they able to control everything.
And you have players, you have players that played extremely
well at a very high level consistently for a very
long time, and you have people that are able to control,
you know, and and if it affects a lot of
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players that want to be a part of that fraternity
so bad you want to be so you have to
you have to pan it to it, you know you
and you're it's out of your control. So if you
you can't even almost you can't even be yourself.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
You have to be something different. You have to conform
to what they want you to be.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Like why you're playing a game in order to be
a part of this over here because of what it means.
One of the greatest, if not the greatest achievement as
an NFL player.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Or And the thing is, I mean I don't know
if he's talking about OJ. But OJ was acquitted. Now
you might think he did it, or he know who
did it, or he had something to do. But he
went before twelve men and women and they said not guilty.
After that we can come up with conjecture and speculation
and nundo all we want. But at the end of
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the day he went before a jury of his peers
and they heard all the evidence and they said not guilty.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
But I don't, like I said, is a b a
Hall of Famer? Yes?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Do I think he's going to have a hard time
getting him based on his history of his off the
field activity and the way he conducted himself in Pittsburgh.
Because you got to realize, o yo, when you go
for the board, somebody, uh ed would probably have to
be his presenter. So he would have to get up
there and says, okay, Antonio Brown, he had this many catches,
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had this, this, this and this, but also uh uh
so you see how that goes. Now, some you know,
some guys like hey, Tom Brady, guy, go say Peyton Manning.
The guy just ain't say a word. Peyton Manning sat
back down. Tom Brady gonna be the same things sit
back down. Some guys you know offered Jared Rice, sit
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back down Smith, you know, some things like that. But
I think he's gonna have a hard time getting in
based because, like you said, it's fifty.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Men and women, and every man and woman knows a
B story. Yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Jason Kelson made some interesting comments about the difference between
Shanahan offense and the West Coast offenses.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Let's take a listen to what Kelsey had.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
To say with Joe.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
I do think there's a reason while there has been
a lot of great offensive coaches that have come from
the Shanahan tree and the McVeigh trees, not a lot
of those has transitioned to the Super Bowls. And I
think that if you look at the largely the teams
that have won Super Bowls over the last decade, most
of them have been West Coast offenses that are pretty
much grounded a lot of the Bill Walsh and Andy
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Reid like lineages or pro style offenses. And I think
part of that is, like the scheme can be great,
but it's going to be really hard to win a
Super Bowl with the coach out scheming. At the end
of the day, most of the Super Bowls are one
with quarterbacks and players on the field. Teams that operate
out of drop back pass more tend to win Super
Bowls more because dropback pass is more important in close
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games and at end of game situations. And that's why
I think the West Coast offense, while it's not, as
you know, as ridiculously interesting as some of the Shanahan
principles and things, I think it probably translates when you
have great players into more success at the end of
the day.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Hm m Heyn I like that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I like what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Obviously, Shannahan system and the West Coast system, I think
it all comes down to, obviously having a combination of both,
having a combination of great players with the great quarterback.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Because if you have if you have a great.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Quarterback, regardless of the offense that you are running, whether
it's like whether it's Shanahan like or if it's West
Coast system, being able to manipulate that offense and knowing
exactly what you're doing and having the right supporting cast.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Hell, anything is possible. Anything is possible.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
It all comes down to the person at the ham
who has the ball in his hands the most and
his decision making.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
That's what it comes down to at the end of
the day. Scheme is great, you know, tactics is great.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
The system you're running is great, whether it be a
Shannahan style offense or whether it be the West Coast
System offense. Hell, we've seen the West Coast System offense
be successful. Think about how many teams that have a
West Coast system that have won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
The thing look and Mike's system, the West Coast System,
they really used a short passing game as their run game,
the true West Coast system, the way Bill Wall was. Granted,
they never had a Terrell Davis. They never had a
guy that could hit his head that could run the
ball like that. And if you go back and study
you look at Green Bay. Green Bay they had Dorset Levins,
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look at the West Coast. The very few teams have
had a guy that could run the ball like we
had with TD. And even though you go back and
you look at the Broncos, even after TD, they had
Mike Anderson and they had Reuben Drones, and we had
Clinton Porters, and they had a number of guys they
wore TD.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
And so if you look at now McCaffrey.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
You see how they're able to scheme and how they're
able to run the ball with McCaffrey, and still they
still throw a lot. We didn't throw the ball that
much to the running backs. That was my job, in
job and Rod Fut's job to do the to do
the leg work. As far as the passing game, yeah,
we threw a couple of screens, but we weren't a
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great screen team like the like the forty nine ers
are with Kyle, like they are with McVeigh.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
We weren't.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
We weren't a good We were not a good screen team.
We were a taused handed weak side zone team. Stop
it if you can, and then we're gonna play action
off of that. We're gonna run boot, We're gonna run
full back slide, dragon fly, We're gonna run overs and
we dare you.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
You know what I do like too about the West
Coast system, Monk, and for those that are in the chat,
to give you a different perspective, especially when it comes
to soccer. I want you to think about the Barcelona teams,
you know, the early days of Messi, when obviously they
kill you with one hundred passes. You know, tiki taker,
tickey taker, tickey taker ticket. That's what I think about
the West Coast system, Monk, you know, being able to
have fourteen, fifteen, seventeen eighteen play goddamn drives, and it's
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damn demoralizing for a defense because there's no way to
stop you because you always able to find the mismatch
based on whoever it is at the helm controlling the
ball and having the ball in their hands the most.
And when it's done the right way, when it's done
the right way, it's the most beautiful thing in the world,
the most beautiful for world to watch.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
But if you look at it, you look at Andy
Reid was in that system, Andy Reid, you look at
every because he came from Massa Homegren, John Gruden, all
those guys, Mariucci, all those guys was under home Grun
who came up on that system. Mike went directly to
San Francisco and got that from Bill Wake himself. And
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so you see all the guys that came from Shanahan,
Kyle Shanahan, McVeigh, all those guys, Lafloor, O'Connell, all those guys,
and so you see a variation of it. They do
a lot of that got their own put their own
spin on it, though, Joe, But that's what it is.
But none of them has really had a guy that
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can run weftball like a TV. And so that's the
only thing that's missing from the West Coast that I
was in compared to what we see now, they throw
a lot more.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
They throw a wave of the game has changed.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Now. The game has changed. So they're gonna throw the
ball more than we ran it. We ran more than
we threw Out of fact, what is.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
What is miss mister Campbell and the Detroit Lions? Is
that not not West Coast a little bit?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I don't know where he won the under par sales,
so he got most of his two parsels.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Okay, because they kill you with those damn undo the
damn crossing routes.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Over and Yeah, they run.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
They run a lot of shallows, they run a lot
of incusts. They do a lot of they do a
lot of three by one, a lot of bunches. Uh,
they do a lot of motion.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
But he think about the forty nine is think about
the forty nine, forty nine, especially that year they went
to the Super Bowl with when they when they face
the Chiefs. That is beautiful football in every sense of
the word, because they can go, they can started, they
fire five yard line and dank and dunk and dank
and dunk and dunk and and screen play the god
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damn McCaffrey. Chunk play the McCaffrey, you know, running off tackle,
running through a gap, and just it's just a continuous
and when it's done the right way, when you have
a quarterback that's making all the right decisions, and as
great as Shanahan is is finding the mismatches and making
sure you play to your player strengths, putting them in
make those it's a beautiful thing. I know you don't
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know anything about soccer, but I could just I could
show you a clip. I could just show you a
clip of Barcelona plan and it's like the death of
a thousand passes and they just going back to back
and they're almost lulling the defense to sleep, loveling the
defense to sleep until the right time, and it's just
before you know it, the goddamn gold in the back
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in the in the back of the net.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
You don't know what the hell happened.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah, Clinton Porters, Clint Porters was unbelievable. He had way
more talented, He was way more had way more talent
than than TV, but he didn't take it as serious
as TD. Clint Porter should be in the Hall of Fame.
That boy Clint Porters had thirty one and thirty one
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touchdowns in two seasons.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Two seasons.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, hey, y'all used to y'all used to run that stretch.
That stretch reporter. Yes, I think Peyton used to run
that a lot too. I mean we looked at quarterback
almost falling to get stretch out, yes, oh my yes,
and a portus a whole hold.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Did we play pass off of it and throw the
ball over your head?
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Us a whole less stretch along and cut that across
that green.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Boy? Good night?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I ring.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
And one a once Porters hit that second level on.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
O Look, what.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
If Porters would have taken as serious Ojo? Do you
know how many times on a.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Saturday night, I see it up in my room after bedcheck,
I see who leaving? If I see who leaving who,
you think he'll see him leaving, coach. That's why he
traded him.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Who trade? Who's Who's going to trade a running back?
Let think about it.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
He's offensive Rookie of the Year, he goes to the
Pro Bowl. The guy that he beats out for a
Pro Bowl spot is Ladanian Thomason. Ladanian Thomason had sixteen
hundred rush yards and a hundred catches in the season,
and Porters beat him out for the Pro Bowl. Mike
traded him because of that, and he wouldn't want to
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work out.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
He was lazy.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Hold On coming from a program like the University of Miami,
where everything.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Is I don't know where it came from. I'm telling
what he was when he got to them. I'm telling
we would.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Even do the way them boys were coming out to you.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I just thought that that transition would have would have stuck,
especially going into the league.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Man, Man, Porters came came to the game one time,
hung over. Te mebout I'm finished, Man, I can't play today.
But get your ass out there and run some gas.
Run that look out and get your ass. And to
do a contrast, now you got nothing to do with Mike.
Make ain't looking at your throat.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I bet he had one hell of a game too,
A monster.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
A monster game, man, Pope, I said, poor man, why
you won't do right? He'll tell you, he'll tell you himself.
I mean, I got it. I mean I thought it
was just gonna be a matter of time. I didn't
think he's gonna trade him, because I did all I could,
you know, being a veteran presence, they're trying to do
all I could.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Come on, pop man, damn just do right?
Speaker 4 (44:01):
A matter of fact, who wouldn't replace with Pope?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Pope come to practice? It wouldn't even have his shoes tied,
and they couldn't tackle it.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
As matter of.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Fact, you know what, if coach made that decision to
let Porters go over, that means there had to be
somebody behind him that they trusted or that maybe not
as maybe not as good buck, but we can we
can do just by.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
They are. Who's that? I think it was maybe maybe
Ruben Drones.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
I think it was Ruby remember, Hey, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
He ended up grocering for twelve hundred.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
Hey, what's the running back? Did you play with?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
The running back you didn't play with? Travis Henry played
in Denver two, Denny No, I.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Was, yeah, Traves gone. I was gone when Trav got there.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
I won't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I don't know why I'm thinking of him thinking about
running backs. I would have had Travis Henry doing.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
You know he he would he did some time.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
O Jo not talk about the running back play for
the Bill. Travis Henry, he did some time. Oh yeah,
damn oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
One day after being claimed by the Buffalo Bill on
waivers from the Steelers, cornerback Darius Slay has informed the
Bills he will not be reporting to the team. Slay
had been a healthy stract scratch in Week thirteen and
seemingly fallen out of favor in Pittsburgh, so the two
sides of mutually agreed to part ways. Adam Schefter reported
that Slay wants to continue to play. Since Slave was
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released between the trade deadline at the end of the season,
NFL rules require him clear waivers before he could become
a free agent. That did not happen, as the Buffalo
Bill put in a claim on the thirty four year
old Slave does not want to play in Buffalo. However,
Tom Pelaceerro reported that Slave has informed the Bills he
will not report to the team and his contemplating retirement.
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The Bills are likely to let Slave manipulate his way
out of the situation. When a Kwan Bowden signed with
the team before the twenty seventeen season, when the playoffs
drift was broken. He then retired after two weeks before
the season began. He later asked the Bills to release
him so he could play elsewhere, being refused to grant
voters requests and retain its right O Jo, Well, I
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big players don't want to go to the bi Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
They got josh Ain't nothing, Roman, joh Ain't nothing Roman,
Josh Allen going to a team like that, you have
a quarterback, but that's the chance you're going to be
in contention.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
Defense is decent.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
You know, I would love to go play with Superman
if I was the defensive back. But I think Slave
might be chilling. Slay might want to make a move
and go back to Philly. He might want to be
able to, you know, have a chance to go back
to Philly and helped him out in some way shape
form of fashion. That might be it, or maybe you know,
I just don't see in understanding how much Slay loves
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the game that that has to be his move.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
I think it's a chess move. Obviously, we both have
the same agent.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
I don't play anymore, but still we both have the
same agent and Durosa house, and I know jew it's
gonna give him the right information that he needs if
that's what he's trying to do, and Drew will do
his due diligence behind you know, behind the scenes, behind
closed doors.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
So Slay can get exactly what he wants. And I
personally think if.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
It was going to be a move, I think he
would have he would love to go back to Philly
as opposed to Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, they know that, That's why they're not gonna release it.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
You think they have played the hardball, so yeah, for sure, for.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Sure, that's why they claim it. A lot of times
people would claim player. They get released, they were claim Player.
So I want to make sure you don't go to
a competitor, that somebody that we might have to play.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
What if we release it? What if we let him go,
then he goes to Philly, we end up seeing Phil in.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
The super Bowl, and then and now we got to
deal with slave.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Now we gotta deal with So No, I don't know.
I don't because all they're gonna be on the hook
for is the last what whatever pro rated of a
one point three million dollars left? Because I think he
signed an eight nine million dollar deal. He got seven
and a half of it up front, so the rest
of him so it's really nothing. So man, I agree
with you. I think that's what he wants. He wants
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to go back to Philly. I don't think he ever
wanted to leave Philly. No, but you know they you know, uh,
they were young. My in Mitchell, you heard me.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
They were young.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
They were they were youngest they did.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
This is the nature of the business.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
I think Slay is still a very very good quality corner,
very good quality corner and having that veteran presence in
that locker room. Honestly, for me, I wouldn't I wouldn't
have wanted to leave either. I wouldn't want to leave.
But defense has been playing well.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Hopefully.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
You can only play so many people.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
You got a quarterback on the big, big contract, You
got to both the receivers making big time money. Look
at your offensive line how much Look at how much
Lane Johnson my a lot of Dickerson.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Look how much money they make.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
He had a team friendly contract, though he didn't at first.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
They released it. They released it and so now we
got guys coming and they had to resign. Bond.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
You got Jalen Carter coming up, You got Mitchell coming up,
You got Jordan Davis coming up. You know what I'm saying.
You got Mitchell, you got the junk you got. You
can't keep everybody as good as you draft.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
I don't care how much money you've got and how
much you want to keep everybody, You're not gonna be
able to keep them.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
You're not gonna be able to afford him.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
That's my dog. Hey, wait a minute, Well, maybe slave
might come back next week. You might come back next
week because the Bills do have to play the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
You know, I would, I would, I would, I personally.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
I wouldn't want to come back a new team and
have to deal with chasing Higgins.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
No, you don't think so.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
It's it's really cold up there.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
That's football, weather man.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Not for not, not for no significant other having to
sit outside.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
They got they got sweets, man, Please, you're like the
sweet and Buffalo, the sweets and Buffalo, nice.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Man, that man. They try to pay money like that.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Oh yo, you don't think so. You know much sweets cost,
not that much, but sweeten, that number ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Clearly you have sweet. No, you didn't not for no
ten thousand?
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yeah, yeah, how much?
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Not even not even, not even in Cincinnati? Can you
get a sweet for ten thousands? I probably say the
cheapest sweet would probably be a couple of hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Ain't no sweet costs one hundred thousand dollars?
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Now, come on, now, boy, the sweets, the closes. You
get to me a field that costs a million dollars?
What the hell you talking?
Speaker 4 (50:56):
But what kind of sweet? Shot? What?
Speaker 3 (50:57):
What did you talk?
Speaker 4 (51:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yoe?
Speaker 1 (51:01):
You do realize most sweets they come twelve, sixteen, eighteen,
twenty four thirty.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
That's what sweets come in.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
And you know, you know it's funny. On You know
what's funny is I actually had a sweet and I
don't remember how much it costs. But I guarantee you
because as as fiscally responsible as I was, if it
was anything like the numbers you said, I would have
told my homeboys and family. May y'all got to sit
y'all ass in the stands when they get novembdy.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
How many? How many? How many? First of all, how
many are how many?
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (51:32):
How many people fit the sweet?
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Let me see, it's two rolls at the front you
got all the food, then you got the bar, you
got the bar stool.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
You have to pay for the food.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
The food don't come with the sweet. You have to
pay for that. You know, everything everything comes. I mean
it's part of the package.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
No it's not.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Yes, it is. You have to pay in you have
you get the sweet, and then you have to pay
extra for the food. Nah, I got I got a discount.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
I think that's what it was.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
I got a discount.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
You gotta understands what's the average. Let me let me
tell you something. Listen, I'm I'm You can't get it
per game. You gotta get it for the season, all
eight games. You gotta get it for all eight games.
You gotta understand. For me, they might have gave me
a discount because I wasn't just a player, you hear me.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
I wasn't just a player for the Bengals. I was
a part of the Brown family, you hear me. I
was like I was.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
I was so integrated and the part of the family.
I'm not saying I was adopted, but that was the
point where I won't change my name to Chad Brown Johnson,
Like that's that's that's the that's the kind of relationship
I had with ownership.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
I can't I can't wait to hit these numbers.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
Uh yeah, I'm closer to center field because I remember
me and Ray had one. This was in two thousand
and we were next next to the owner's box and
we played a quarter of a minute, damn a quarter
and the food did not come free.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Oh hell, hey, hey, I like this.
Speaker 4 (53:20):
Oh I like this.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
I like this topic.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
Right here, boy, hold on, I like this topic. It's
a good topic. Oh, this is a good topic.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
We're gonna have to We're gonna have to. We gonna
have to put a call in to see how much
I'm calling.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
I'm calling, I'm calling right now. Hold on, come on,
answer the phone. Don't do let em embarrass me in
front of people. Come company.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Oh he embarrassed me in from the company. God damn
t J.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Because uh.
Speaker 4 (54:05):
Damn he answered the phone. And now you got me curious.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
A quarter of a million for a sweet Yeah, because
we were like obviously the owners on the fifty yard,
you know, the owners on the fifty yard less so
we got we had the suite right next to it.
So probably, oh yo, in between the twenties is where
you're gonna pay the most. Obviously you start getting the
(54:30):
corner and then it ends on. That's because you see
what they call sa at the at the super Bowl.
The sweets at the super Bowl be two three billion.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
Dollars crazy and y'are and honestly, at the super Bowl,
those aren't the actual fans. Oh no, no, no, It's
basically a corporate event on That's all it is.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
And the thing is, oh Joe, you have to give
your sweet up if the super Bowl is in your state.
Let's just say the sake of argument, you got a
sweet in Cincinnati and the super Bowl in Cincinnati that's
not your sweet.
Speaker 4 (54:59):
That blows it in a Yeah, you're right, you're right.
They got they got to make them money.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yeah, they got to make their money.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
They're not playing by that. Yeah. I'm like, hold on,
wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
I mean I'm just like, I'm like, god, damn a
quarter million boy.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Oh yeah, oh Joe, it's expensive, man, But look most
of the time, you know who had them the sweets, quarterbacks,
hot dollars, the big boy, and you know you don't
want you you know, you don't want your wives. You know,
because when I was there, the only guy that had
a sweep with john when I was in Denver, the
only guy that had a sweep with johnnybody have played
(55:39):
that high end.
Speaker 6 (55:40):
I mean everybody had to sit outside to have family members. Yeah,
because it wasn't but bro, he was the only one
making big money like that. Man, you can't the part.
Don't play no hundred thousand dollars. You gotta realize on
hundred thousand dollars in the nineties. But money, yeah, I
mean it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Of money now.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
But I'm saying I'm saying back, man, when you have
people not making a hundred thousand when I first my
first two years, I didn even make a one hundred
thousand a year. I made sixty three and seventy three damn.
So hey give me them one hundred and twenty five
dollars tickets
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Oh Joe, I bet hard Knock's wishing they were following
the Cleveland Browns around this year. Now it's Dylan gabriel
significant other jumping into the drama TikTok saying, my fiance
Dylan is not playing. I have thoughts about that, but
I'm not gonna share it. She then captured another with
Brown's loss what's new? But then this is he got
(00:37):
into a disagreement with a comment on a post and
row Actually everyone in the building wants him to play,
but you wouldn't know because you've never been into the
NFL or.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Coach, right, but you know you, I mean, listen, we
see this all the time. We see family family members
display their frustrations whatever they may be, really not understanding
how the game works, you know, the ins and outs
of it. And you know she wants Somethingance to be
on the field. You know he's not on the field.
(01:08):
Shador has been chosen to be the court.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
She knows everybody in the building wants him to play.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I mean, they've been on the news for how long?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I'm asking you, how does she know that unless somebody
pillow talking.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Oh come on, man.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Let chance let when you's in Cincinnati, let Chancey say, Man,
my brother ain't getting the ball.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
They need to throw the ball to my ball or traded?
What you tell me?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
What you think the people in Cincinnati and what the
Bengals organization's gonna think?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Where did that come from?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
That that that that I said something you want.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
You to be our fense up? You know they came
that came from you.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
That Even if it didn't, that's what they're going to believe.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's why I always tell family, friends and loved ones
be mindful of what you say, because whether they said
it or not, it's throwing back to them.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, I mean we you know that's his wife. You
know they have those conversations. I'm sure he does. Of
course I want to play. Of course I want to start.
You know, you go home and who's the one who's
the one person you have piece and getting men to
when it comes to with is oh honey, how is
your dead work?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Shit, I ain't starting m hm.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Those are conversations that I had between a couple, a
husband and wife, a fiance, you know, I mean that
that's that's normal. And she's vnning and her frustrations about
oh damn, here we go, what's new?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
We done lost again?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You have to be careful now, Ocho, because back then
there was no social media that your significant other could
go to. Now there's a platform called social media, yes,
that they can go to and disseiminate information all across
the world. And it's staneous. So even if you were
to say and then hit delete.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Is gone.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Oh it's too late.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
It's gone.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It's too late once you hit sentence a rap.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Man, Lord, have mercy. I just I just wish people
understood that it's a It makes it put Dylan in
a bad spot, right because I don't believe see when
she said the locker when she's say, uh, actually the building.
When she said the building, I don't think I think
(03:14):
it's from locker room up. I don't think it's the
locker room down. I don't think it's the locker room.
I think it's from above, the locker room up the building.
I think that's the executive. I think that's the front office.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Hold on, we already we already know that though we
already know that based on the words versus based on
things that have been said, you know, you know that part.
But down down down below where it really matters, the
meating potatoes of the team.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
You.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I don't need this.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I don't need to say no more because I can't.
I can't throw anybody else under the bus, you know,
like like I slipped up long time ago, I don't
want to do that again. But that's what they that's
what they want.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Just be.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
That's what they want inside that building, the people that's
going to war. And I'm not telling you. I'm not
telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What I don't understand is that people need to understand
you're not the center of attention if you weren't dating Gillen,
Dylan Gabriel. How many people you think would know who
she is? That's with anybody unless you Taylor Swift. Now,
Taylor Swiff is a different animal. Everybody knows who she
even if she does not dating Drift. But when you
(04:27):
look at it, Sierra Russ, Okay, that's a different that's
a different dynamic. But we we're talking about somebody that
doesn't have that name, that name or brand recognition that
you're only known. Oh, that's Dylan Gabriel Freance. Oh, that's
such a that's Old Joe's wife. Man, that's o Cho's
significant other. So anything that gets said out of her mouth,
(04:49):
that at Carl, that relates back to football, O Choe
talking ass.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
That's how it is. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's just like stuff at wor when stuff come back
to work.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Oh, I told you that. I told you that.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I've seen situations get messy because something got said in
the locker room. Somebody went back and told their wife
or girlfriend woo woo whoo woo woo woo woom now.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
And it got it and it got all over the place.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Huh, all over the place, damn.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And you know where it came from because we talked
about it in the locker room. And ain't none of them,
ain't none of the wise girlfriends, significant others, beyondces or
whatever they want to be within the locker room to hear.
So one of you, MOFO said it running your mind,
and and in that group it ain't but a small group.
It ain't like we're talking aloud across the y'all across
(05:44):
the room. Uh huh, we're talking in a small group,
four or five.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, oh, so we're on the practice field.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
It's easy to pendpoint who says something absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Absolutely. I always ask somebody, hey, man, Sean, let me
tell you something. I'd be like, Okay, who else you told?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Man?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I ain't told nobody because I don't want you to
tell somebody else and then it get out and then
you talk about Shop.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I ain't tell nobody Shop.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You a damn lie because if you already told somebody else,
don't tell me.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, it's it's Chad.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It's just a it's just a bad spot to put
your significant other end in the locker room. Because I'm
telling you how how I atho least think be at football, basketball,
baseball when something gets out and if team related, they's
like what she must have heard him say that he's
saying that, even if it's not true, she could have
(06:47):
just been going out on a whim on her own
and saying how she feels. Dylan might not upset anything,
but they're still gonna attach it. It's just like anything else.
If somebody had done something the first person the first
place they go.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Look, yeah, yeah, hey, you see that?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yes, sir, First of all, why you got my jersey?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Don't yo, why you got my jerseys?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Listen, hey, hey, when I ate, let me tell you something.
When I when I hold on, let me tell you
how I got this jersey.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
See when you was out of town, right when you
were traveling and you were doing them alcohol Hey, listen,
you were doing them alcohol signings, and I had to
break in your house, right, and I had to steal
my trophies.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I snatched one of these jerseys.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Up off for you.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I snashed one of these jersey a trade. Huh, how
about we making trade now.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I don't worry about it. I'm gonna keep this. I'm
gonna keep this. I'm gonna I mean, I'm gonna keep
this for the rest of my trophies.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Hey, this is the real deal. To look look at
the sleeves.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Oh yeah, oh, Joe, I got the home in a way.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I like I died. I like that.
What I tell you, what when you send the rest
of my wards, I got you?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah, yeah, I appreciate this. It's heavy, It's stitched up
to this.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
This is the real deal. Oh yeah, hold on, hold on,
and we we looked about the same see the guns, yes.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Sir, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Just Chad.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It is. It's kind of like, oh Joe, if somebody
in jail and they escape, what's the where the first
the first place they go is.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Where they mama?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
They girl, he ain't got no.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
He gotta be going the girl.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Hey, think about it.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
If somebody is saying something and it has to do
with the locker room the first, even if even like
I said, even if that's her, even those her own thoughts,
and she I like to believe she's smart enough and
she can have her own thoughts, right, But that's not
what people are going to believe.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
No, not not at all.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And I don't I don't think she's thinking about it
that way anyway. She was just more self expressing her
feelings based on how she feels about wanting her husband
or husband to be, you know, to actually be out
there actually playing. So but she knows she knows better
now because she's gonna get the backlash and then it's
gonna fall on Dylan Gabriel and he gonna get pissed.
What are you doing? You can't be doing that? You
(09:30):
know they they're both new to this. They're both new
to this, and she will understand. You gotta be careful
before you before you hit sin, you got to think
because once you hit it, it's there for life.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And guess what else, O yoe, guess who gonna get
asked about this? You think they're gonna ask twelve about this? Yeah,
you think they're gonna ask the fans skill about this?
Of course, sometimes don't really have shouldn't look they should
be like, Okay, what do you guys need to do
to get a win?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
What do you guys? Blah blah block, I got now,
I got it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Now I've got to answer answer questions about something something
a lady that ain't a ain't never, ain't only been
going to the game to see Dylan. Yeah, now I
gotta answer questions about what she said that ain't got
nothing to do that's gonna help us win a football
game on Joe, nothing whatsoever?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Hey, it just answer the service as unnecessary unnecessary for
you to the fire.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So I, just like Chad, I would just recommend anybody
young ladies, if you you you you're dating a guy
in college or high school and you guys might be together.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Just keep that in mind.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Everything you say that's related to football is gonna be
tied back to him. And you might have your you
might be like, you might be your own person, you
have your own thoughts, you have your own mind that
I get to talk, I'm I'm, I can speak freely,
but they're gonna tie back to him, and that's not
fair and that's not fair to him. Now, if you
don't want to put that kind of stress, you don't
want to put that kind of pressure, and you don't
(11:00):
want to.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Sign shine that kind of light on him.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So just be just just be mindful of that that
your actions gonna reflect back on him. It's gonna it's
gonna tie back. It's gonna tie back to him, just
like if you do something out. Oh man, that's man.
Oh man, you said, man, you heard what happened to
O your girl?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Man? You hurt?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Man?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Man, Man, they say sharp girl was acting on fooling
them all.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's different when you date a celeb entertainer, actor, actress.
It's a different set of rules and you have to
move differently. Oh I move how you can't do that?
You can because now you can't just think about you.
You have to think about that other person and the
possible jeopardy of pails you might put them in. And
(11:52):
I don't think enough people do that now, but you should.
I mean the really ones. Oh Joe, you ain't never
seen you ain't never seen Peyton Man or heard her
say anything?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Have you no see'. That's a different type of understanding.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I had no idea that she walked up to me.
She said, you don't know who I am? I say,
I shure, don't. She said, I'm Ashley Man. I say,
how you do it?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Had a great There's I mean, so many people that
you wouldn't even know that's their why, because they're like, hey,
stay in the shadows, do what I do.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
But some understand they have to play the background. Some
understand they have to play the background and they're not
the main character. I understand I'm not the main character,
and I know my place and I know my role.
They are a lot like that. Then there are some
that want to be front center. Mm hmm, okay, that's
my man. I need to be I need to be
front center right along with him. It's different, everybody different,
(12:47):
and it also depends on who you're dating. Yes, some
people date you just because they want to be front center.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And quarterbacks first of all, quarterbacks bar is a different level. Yes,
you're basically dating the CEO. Yes, you date the CEEYO
the guy, so you definitely, you definitely have to be
willing to take a back seat. You gotta be like
like Savannah James. Oh yeah, oh yeah, she ain't go Hey,
she gonna do a little podcast. She got to look
(13:16):
whatever she got going on. Look, they try to beat
up for Asha Curry. But I'll understand what she's saying.
I understand what she's saying. But man, I just I
just I just hated. I just you know, understand that
they're young though. O Yo, some things, you know something,
Sometimes you have to make a mistake before you understand
(13:37):
the gravity of what you're in and then you get
a true understanding of what you're dealing with. So hopefully
she learned that. Just keep that to yourself.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay. The building wants him to play.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
If when that time comes he gets an opportunity to
get back in there, he plays well, he's over the
hold down the spot. But don't you go on social
media and act up? Oh Joe to Sada says he's
working hard to build trust with Jerry. Judy the said,
it's going to take some time that chemistry with guys
like Jerry. I'm more of a trust person, so we
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have to spend some time on the task. It's just
it's just and I told you, Joe, anytime you anytime
you start doing this right.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Here, Yeah, listen, uncle's a disconnect. You know, it's a disconnect.
Once that Wi Fi get on point, it's gonna be alright.
You have to understand these two ain't working together. Keep
mystery is very important. I think people those that have
played the game at at any level, you understand it's
one thing when you get to the NFL, right, you
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have to be able to you have to work with
your receivers. You gotta work with receivers because just because
you have a ball in your hand, you have a
guy out there running routes, doesn't mean you have an
ensign connection. True, there's certain little nuances that you have
to have, certain rhythms and timing that you have to
know that over a course of a training camp, over
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a course of the off season, that you get to
know your receivers. I mean, right now, I understand they're
frustrations they're not winning. Judy wants to get the ball.
Judy wants to be productive in that offense, and things
aren't going the way he like right now.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
But the problem that people are gonna have is that,
first of all, should do or is a rookie quarterback
in only his second start, Like you said, but what
about the previous eight games when Dylan Gabriel was in
there and Joe Flack was in there? So how many
times did you do do we see that at that
kind of attitude on the sideline right, because I'm sure
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Dylan Gabriel said a bunch of them, he killed a
bunch of worms and knocked a couple of birds out
of the sky, and we didn't see this. So people like,
hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Jude, the
man just got it this on his second game started.
He's a rookie quarterback. If he's a second year, third
year guy and y'all still not on the same I
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would get it. But in this scenario, it's hard to
get people to be on your side, considering, if I'm
not mistaken, he lead the league in drops and you
had a thirty five yard completion that you let the
guy come from behind you and knocked the ball out.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, so that's what people see. Now.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Last year he had an unbelievable season. James did a
great job of throwing in the.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Ball crazy last year, Yes, crazy, but you.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Have to But oh Joe, now, we can't take one
season and forget about the year that was in Denver
before and what's going on right now.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
We're not gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I just want, I want, I want Jerry to understand
that this is a rookie quarter of a rookie quarterback
in only his second start. How about I mean, maybe
y'all spend some extra time.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
After practice, after practice Thursdays, Friday, stay out, stay stay
out a little bit longer, you know. Get listen, hell,
me and unc men mentor me and uncle well, me
and Carson used to do that.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You used to do that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I'm not talking about when he first got there,
from when he first got there, third year, fourth year,
fifth year.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
We get.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
We got in that extra timing just to know, boy,
you can have we can have a goddamn blindfold on.
He can throw that ball and know exactly where I'm
gonna be at every time on rhythm, regardless of a rush,
regardless of whoever's in front of, regardless of a defense.
So when we were out there, it was like it
was damn it was damn near seven on seven. Like
that's how sharp and on point and precise we were.
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It was like it was damn near life seven on seven.
But it takes time to build relationship. You just don't
go you just don't go in like okay, yeah we
got it. No, it doesn't happen like that. You've got
to put time in. Y'all need to sit in a
meeting room. Okay, tell me what you're thinking on this route.
Tell me what you're thinking on display right here. That's
how That's how it was with John. I'm like, okay,
tell me what you're thinking.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well, if the guy's playing you like this expected on
the outside like this, I'm gonna put it on your
back shoulder or you know, ay, like we were talking
about when that guy's running and I can't beat him
over the top o.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yo, he said, I'm a back shoulder you.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So just know that the ball is gonna come, you're
gonna have to open your hips and catch them on
your back shoulder.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
And you know what's funny is I like that we
talked about this too, and I don't want to talk
about the way I view Jerry Judy and the type
of receiver he is is they're having problems, They're having
problems and issues offensively over there in Cleveland. But I've
always seen Jerry Judy is not a problem but a
solution to the problem, especially with the skill set that
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he has as a receiver, regardless of the drops, regardless
of the issues he's may have had, understanding what he
can do when it comes to putting people in the
goddamn blender, being able to define the mismatches for him offensively,
knowing that he can beat. He can beat whoever is
out there at dB. He can beat like, let me
say this again, he can beat whoever they're is out
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there at DV.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
He's a mismaster.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Damn thar anybody, unless we talk about you know, one
of the top two better dbs in in the NFL.
His route runner is tremendous. His ability to separate the tremendous.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
So I don't even understand.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Where the issues are coming from, you know, especially seeing
them with the with the animations and theatrics on the sideline. Yes, yeah,
let's god damn easy. You know the fact that he's
one of those few players. It's only a handful of them.
You know, I don't got to worry about you here.
I need you to just get open.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Just do that for me.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Just get open.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Oh, Joe, you look at Judy as the number one?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, not even close.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
You don't think so? No, sirry Hey you you listen?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Can I say something real quick?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I know I know some of maybe people in the chat,
maybe you might not be fond of him, But.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I thought he I thought he should have been I
said when they came out he came out that draft
with CD, with Jedda with I said he should have
been the number one receiver.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Take it. Yeah, so hey, and I was happy that
he would.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
But o't Joe.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
He simply simply this, simply this being able to get open,
beat man the man and create separation. That's all I need.
Because the ones that are number twos can't do that consistently.
The people that are number two cannot do that consistently.
Those all receivers that are number one receivers. My officer
coordinator doesn't have to hide. Meet is third down. We
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need you to get open, man the man. I don't
give a fuck, almost curse. I don't care what it is.
Get open, Jerry. Judy can do that.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
He can do that.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I'm just saying, you can name twenty receivers, twenty five
receivers better than that. I mean, he is number one
on that team because you got that. Look if you're
talking about a number one, because he has to be
a number one on that team. But you'll go twenty
five deep receivers before you take him.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So we basic things off skill seid he you're basing
off numbers. What're we talking about?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
His skills are not conducive. Look at his numbers in Denver.
Look at his numbers. Now.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I just said, are you talking about his skill set?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Or we talk about.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Number But everybody is a number one if you just
look at skill set, because everybody can get open.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I just sta.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yes, they can.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
No, I'm not Look, let me take that back. Everybody
can't get open. But how many? How many if we
were to have a draft right now and you start
taking receivers, how long before Judy gets selected? No?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
You you you throwing, you throwing, you throwing in different
scenarios that I'm not talking about.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I'm just he's not saying.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Oh Joe, oh Joe, He's a two, He's a solid two,
a solitude.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
He's not a one receiver?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
What what is it?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
What is what is your number one? What's your right
here for being the number one receiver? I'm curious they
build a game plan to stop you? Are they building
game plans to stop Jerry? You know damn well, they're
not building, no game playing. They're build a game plan
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to stop o Joe sinko. They build game plans to
stop Shining Sharp. He is not a number one because
you know why, Chad, if he was the number one,
Ojo would have said, hell yeah, no, I'm I'm they building.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Are the defensive building game plans to stop him? Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Hold on, so let's go. We got thirty two NFL teams, right.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I asked yourself.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Let me no, no, no, no, you can't do that. No,
let me finish. You got thirty two NFL teams. So
every time every team plays that hasn't no one receiver,
the defense is game planning to stop their number one.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
When we come in, when we come in, absolutely not,
or when we come in on Wednesday? Is he circled
as a d a guy that we got to stop.
If we don't stop him, that's what a number one is.
I'm not saying that every week he's gonna get back,
but we gotta focus on him. We don't stop him,
It's hard for us to be.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It's only five receivers in the NFL that teams have.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
To do that too.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Oh Joe, only final number one and you It'syjo. I
get he's from Miami five.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, A J. Brown, Ceedee, Lamb Pickings.
It's only a few receivers.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Niko Collins is a number one, Tyreek Hill is a
number one. Brian Thomas Jr. Is a number one, the
guy that Giants is a number one. Picking CD is
a number one. Terry mcclaurin is a number one. The
guys that they got two guys in the Drake London
is a number one. Stop this notion, Oh Joe, Oh Joe,
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don't do.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
That on you just throwing anybody name out there.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Talk Coney.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Are they number one? Yes or no? Who are they
number ones? Yes or no?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
You oh so? Hold on. So when you play Atlanta Falcons,
the focal point is stopping. Drake London is Drake London?
The last one is that Jassy? Yes, he's that best receiver.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Okay, you're not in Bess receiver okay JS, JS, he
is not a number. Okay, now now we're talking.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
No, no, we're not. We're talking. Now we're talking.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Now we're talking now.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I like I like that, Joe Nay, I'm I'm I'm
basing on. I'm basing it off.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
What you're able to do? I need skill sets.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
We know, Joe, he's had one year, So what about
those years that he didn't do nothing? So all of
a sudden, So he had just acquired this skill set
last year. The previous three years he lost it and
he's lost it now, but he had it last year.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Nah mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I'll tell you what you take Jared Judy of Devonte Smith.
You take Jared Judy or Jaylen Waddle. I'm just I'm
just asking. Those are guys that play too, So would
you take them? Would you take? Would you take Jared
Judy or would you take Devonte Smil Would you take
would you take Jared Judy or jay Len Wada? Would
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you take? Would you take him? Or you take Pierce.
Would you take Peers in uh in Indy? Or would
you take Michael Piellman Jr.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Over Judy? Which one you take it? I'm gonna give you.
I'm giving you to take Judy.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
So listen, you hear you everything, all the all the
comparison to the teams, and and and and how you're
doing and how you're doing that?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Right? You see what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Well?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
You you you talk about you talk about you talk
about players that are all on competent offenses, that get
that get balls with quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
You see you see what you're.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Doing with Are you trying?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Are you trying?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No, no, you trying to compare the goddamn ship circus.
He got a fucking deal with it, Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
And you're naming the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
You're naming Daniel Jones over there throwing the ball looking
like goddamn Tom Brady reincarnated, Like, come on, man, what.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
About beliefe Neighbors?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
How was he?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
What was the Giants last year? Oh?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
He would gainst him?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
He would you.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
That rum and sale that they had at the Giants
last year. He had one hundred and something catches?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah they Yeah, they threw that thing to him like crazy,
I'm just I'm just this is this is this is
a great this is this is a great comp I
like this conversation. I like this conversation. But let me
tell you something also, situations matter, where you are, matters,
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quarterback matter. It's so many factors that come into play,
especially when you start naming other receivers on other teams
that are in totally different offenses with good quarterbacks and
great offensive systems that that that's all. So it's like,
it's it's almost unfair. They had that conversation in comparison.
But let's lets let's let's let's move on.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, ninety percent of the chat disagree with you. Ninety
percent of the chat say he's not a nunder one.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Hey, ninety percent of the chat can't cover me, no
matter of fact. Hold on, one hundred percent of the
check can't cover me and tell me nothing about playing receiver.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Maybe fifteen years ago you had a very compelling argument. Now, uh,
Jerry Judy leads the NFL and drops and drop percentage
which qualified on target pass he dropped by receiver, Judy
has dropped almost nineteen percent, six percent higher than any
other receiver.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
By old chill.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Hey bad, Oh cho have been a hell of attorney, y'all?
Oh yo, no damn war y'all guilty?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Oh yo? To hear whatever it is the weapon? Oh
Yoda gave it to the lawyer. Oh bad? Look at
my client he do this?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Hey, and you got me hot? Man talking about the check. Hey,
you got me hot talking about the chack and covering
me Man, I'm hot.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Speaking of Hall of Fame tarot, Suggs went on Johnny's
Glory Days podcast and talked about Antonio Brown's upcoming Pro
Football Hall of Fame Candidacy Suggs said, he's a first back.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Is he a first ballot? I wouldn't think so.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
The off the field stuff, they're gonna shy away from
that problem until it gets resolved. They let another murderer
in the nineties. Hold on, they let another murderer in
the nineties. I bet you if they could, they would
have waited, like we might not want to put this
guy in the fraternity just yet. Hey, I don't think.
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I don't think, because you got to think about it too,
had nothing. Look, should a be be a first of
ball Let me say this, Should he be a first ballot?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Based on.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yes, but with t O they changed the bylaws.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They said what you did off the field and what
you did in the locker room or on the sidelines
could be way against you.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
So you see how they did that on You see
how they were able to move the gold posts. You
see how they're able to move the gold posts and
having the power to control, having the power to be
able to control when and who not let in when
the car tire. The criteria for making the Pro Football
Hall of Fame is conducted and based off what you
do in between the goddamn lines.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
So now we're making the personal They changed, Yeah, they
changed it. They changed it for in their favor.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So if you don't conduct yourselves in the matter in
which we see fit away from the game of football,
now we can chastise you for it. We can chastise
you for it. I mean, listen, ab is a bona
fide Hall of Famer. No matter what I understand what
he's done off the field. I even understand some of
the stuff he's done on the field. But when it
was time to go, when you talk about the story
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and you talk about some of the greatest NFL receivers,
they ever played this up almost curse the greatest teams
they ever played.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
This game.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You can't tell the story without mentioning Antonio.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
God Damn Brown, you're right.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I think he's talking about OJ. But OJ was already in.
That's the one thing about that fraternity. Once you're in,
you can't they can't take you out. You're there for perpetuity.
So so I think he was talking about OJ, but
OJ was already in. So there's nothing you can do. Now.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Maybe at USC they removed some of its pairing from
now or they took him. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
But in the NFL, once you go into that building,
you're in that building, I just think the thing is
O Joe.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I just think he's gonna have to wait. They made
t O wait three rounds. TiO.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
If Tio's not a first ballot Hall of Famer, the
man had the third had the third most catches. I
think at the time of the time, he had the
second most receiving yards over one thousand yards. He's only
there's only been three men that's been a first team
All Pro with three different men with three different teams.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Deon Sanders, Ted Hendrix, and one to O.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
So three men in the history of the game has
been a first team All Pro with three different teams.
T O led Sar franciscoing in yards, he led uh
uh uh Buffalo in yards, he led Philly in yards,
he led Dallas in yards, he led Cincinnati five teams
five Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
You know what, you know what I don't like. I
don't like the fact that they hold they hold so
much power. They control everything. Yeah, they able to control everything.
And you have players, you have players that played extremely
well at a very high level consistently for a very
long time, and you have people that are able to control,
you know, and and if it affects a lot of
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players that want to be a part of that fraternity
so bad you want to be so you have to
you have to pan it to it, you know you
and you're it's out of your control. So if you
you can't even almost you can't even be yourself.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
You have to be something different. You have to conform
to what they want you to be.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Like why you're playing a game in order to be
a part of this over here because of what it means.
One of the greatest, if not the greatest achievement as
an NFL player.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Or And the thing is, I mean I don't know
if he's talking about OJ. But OJ was acquitted. Now
you might think he did it, or he know who
did it, or he had something to do. But he
went before twelve men and women and they said not guilty.
After that we can come up with conjecture and speculation
and nundo all we want. But at the end of
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the day he went before a jury of his peers
and they heard all the evidence and they said not guilty.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
But I don't, like I said, is a b a
Hall of Famer? Yes?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Do I think he's going to have a hard time
getting him based on his history of his off the
field activity and the way he conducted himself in Pittsburgh.
Because you got to realize, o yo, when you go
for the board, somebody, uh ed would probably have to
be his presenter. So he would have to get up
there and says, okay, Antonio Brown, he had this many catches,
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had this, this, this and this, but also uh uh
so you see how that goes. Now, some you know,
some guys like hey, Tom Brady, guy, go say Peyton Manning.
The guy just ain't say a word. Peyton Manning sat
back down. Tom Brady gonna be the same things sit
back down. Some guys you know offered Jared Rice, sit
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back down Smith, you know, some things like that. But
I think he's gonna have a hard time getting in
based because, like you said, it's fifty.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Men and women, and every man and woman knows a
B story. Yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Jason Kelson made some interesting comments about the difference between
Shanahan offense and the West Coast offenses.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Let's take a listen to what Kelsey had.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
To say with Joe.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
I do think there's a reason while there has been
a lot of great offensive coaches that have come from
the Shanahan tree and the McVeigh trees, not a lot
of those has transitioned to the Super Bowls. And I
think that if you look at the largely the teams
that have won Super Bowls over the last decade, most
of them have been West Coast offenses that are pretty
much grounded a lot of the Bill Walsh and Andy
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Reid like lineages or pro style offenses. And I think
part of that is, like the scheme can be great,
but it's going to be really hard to win a
Super Bowl with the coach out scheming. At the end
of the day, most of the Super Bowls are one
with quarterbacks and players on the field. Teams that operate
out of drop back pass more tend to win Super
Bowls more because dropback pass is more important in close
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games and at end of game situations. And that's why
I think the West Coast offense, while it's not, as
you know, as ridiculously interesting as some of the Shanahan
principles and things, I think it probably translates when you
have great players into more success at the end of
the day.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Hm m Heyn I like that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I like what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Obviously, Shannahan system and the West Coast system, I think
it all comes down to, obviously having a combination of both,
having a combination of great players with the great quarterback.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Because if you have if you have a great.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Quarterback, regardless of the offense that you are running, whether
it's like whether it's Shanahan like or if it's West
Coast system, being able to manipulate that offense and knowing
exactly what you're doing and having the right supporting cast.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Hell, anything is possible. Anything is possible.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
It all comes down to the person at the ham
who has the ball in his hands the most and
his decision making.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
That's what it comes down to at the end of
the day. Scheme is great, you know, tactics is great.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
The system you're running is great, whether it be a
Shannahan style offense or whether it be the West Coast
System offense. Hell, we've seen the West Coast System offense
be successful. Think about how many teams that have a
West Coast system that have won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
The thing look and Mike's system, the West Coast System,
they really used a short passing game as their run game,
the true West Coast system, the way Bill Wall was. Granted,
they never had a Terrell Davis. They never had a
guy that could hit his head that could run the
ball like that. And if you go back and study
you look at Green Bay. Green Bay they had Dorset Levins,
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look at the West Coast. The very few teams have
had a guy that could run the ball like we
had with TD. And even though you go back and
you look at the Broncos, even after TD, they had
Mike Anderson and they had Reuben Drones, and we had
Clinton Porters, and they had a number of guys they
wore TD.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
And so if you look at now McCaffrey.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
You see how they're able to scheme and how they're
able to run the ball with McCaffrey, and still they
still throw a lot. We didn't throw the ball that
much to the running backs. That was my job, in
job and Rod Fut's job to do the to do
the leg work. As far as the passing game, yeah,
we threw a couple of screens, but we weren't a
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great screen team like the like the forty nine ers
are with Kyle, like they are with McVeigh.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
We weren't.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
We weren't a good We were not a good screen team.
We were a taused handed weak side zone team. Stop
it if you can, and then we're gonna play action
off of that. We're gonna run boot, We're gonna run
full back slide, dragon fly, We're gonna run overs and
we dare you.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
You know what I do like too about the West
Coast system, Monk, and for those that are in the chat,
to give you a different perspective, especially when it comes
to soccer. I want you to think about the Barcelona teams,
you know, the early days of Messi, when obviously they
kill you with one hundred passes. You know, tiki taker,
tickey taker, tickey taker ticket. That's what I think about
the West Coast system, Monk, you know, being able to
have fourteen, fifteen, seventeen eighteen play goddamn drives, and it's
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damn demoralizing for a defense because there's no way to
stop you because you always able to find the mismatch
based on whoever it is at the helm controlling the
ball and having the ball in their hands the most.
And when it's done the right way, when it's done
the right way, it's the most beautiful thing in the world,
the most beautiful for world to watch.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
But if you look at it, you look at Andy
Reid was in that system, Andy Reid, you look at
every because he came from Massa Homegren, John Gruden, all
those guys, Mariucci, all those guys was under home Grun
who came up on that system. Mike went directly to
San Francisco and got that from Bill Wake himself. And
(38:38):
so you see all the guys that came from Shanahan,
Kyle Shanahan, McVeigh, all those guys, Lafloor, O'Connell, all those guys,
and so you see a variation of it. They do
a lot of that got their own put their own
spin on it, though, Joe, But that's what it is.
But none of them has really had a guy that
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can run weftball like a TV. And so that's the
only thing that's missing from the West Coast that I
was in compared to what we see now, they throw
a lot more.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
They throw a wave of the game has changed.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Now. The game has changed. So they're gonna throw the
ball more than we ran it. We ran more than
we threw Out of fact, what is.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
What is miss mister Campbell and the Detroit Lions? Is
that not not West Coast a little bit?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I don't know where he won the under par sales,
so he got most of his two parsels.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Okay, because they kill you with those damn undo the
damn crossing routes.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Over and Yeah, they run.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
They run a lot of shallows, they run a lot
of incusts. They do a lot of they do a
lot of three by one, a lot of bunches. Uh,
they do a lot of motion.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
But he think about the forty nine is think about
the forty nine, forty nine, especially that year they went
to the Super Bowl with when they when they face
the Chiefs. That is beautiful football in every sense of
the word, because they can go, they can started, they
fire five yard line and dank and dunk and dank
and dunk and dunk and and screen play the god
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damn McCaffrey. Chunk play the McCaffrey, you know, running off tackle,
running through a gap, and just it's just a continuous
and when it's done the right way, when you have
a quarterback that's making all the right decisions, and as
great as Shanahan is is finding the mismatches and making
sure you play to your player strengths, putting them in
make those it's a beautiful thing. I know you don't
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know anything about soccer, but I could just I could
show you a clip. I could just show you a
clip of Barcelona plan and it's like the death of
a thousand passes and they just going back to back
and they're almost lulling the defense to sleep, loveling the
defense to sleep until the right time, and it's just
before you know it, the goddamn gold in the back
(40:49):
in the in the back of the net.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
You don't know what the hell happened.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah, Clinton Porters, Clint Porters was unbelievable. He had way
more talented, He was way more had way more talent
than than TV, but he didn't take it as serious
as TD. Clint Porter should be in the Hall of Fame.
That boy Clint Porters had thirty one and thirty one
(41:16):
touchdowns in two seasons.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Two seasons.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, hey, y'all used to y'all used to run that stretch.
That stretch reporter. Yes, I think Peyton used to run
that a lot too. I mean we looked at quarterback
almost falling to get stretch out, yes, oh my yes,
and a portus a whole hold.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Did we play pass off of it and throw the
ball over your head?
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Us a whole less stretch along and cut that across
that green.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Boy? Good night?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I ring.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
And one a once Porters hit that second level on.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
O Look, what.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
If Porters would have taken as serious Ojo? Do you
know how many times on a.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Saturday night, I see it up in my room after bedcheck,
I see who leaving? If I see who leaving who,
you think he'll see him leaving, coach. That's why he
traded him.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Who trade? Who's Who's going to trade a running back?
Let think about it.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
He's offensive Rookie of the Year, he goes to the
Pro Bowl. The guy that he beats out for a
Pro Bowl spot is Ladanian Thomason. Ladanian Thomason had sixteen
hundred rush yards and a hundred catches in the season,
and Porters beat him out for the Pro Bowl. Mike
traded him because of that, and he wouldn't want to
(42:55):
work out.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
He was lazy.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Hold On coming from a program like the University of Miami,
where everything.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Is I don't know where it came from. I'm telling
what he was when he got to them. I'm telling
we would.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Even do the way them boys were coming out to you.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I just thought that that transition would have would have stuck,
especially going into the league.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Man, Man, Porters came came to the game one time,
hung over. Te mebout I'm finished, Man, I can't play today.
But get your ass out there and run some gas.
Run that look out and get your ass. And to
do a contrast, now you got nothing to do with Mike.
Make ain't looking at your throat.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I bet he had one hell of a game too,
A monster.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
A monster game, man, Pope, I said, poor man, why
you won't do right? He'll tell you, he'll tell you himself.
I mean, I got it. I mean I thought it
was just gonna be a matter of time. I didn't
think he's gonna trade him, because I did all I could,
you know, being a veteran presence, they're trying to do
all I could.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Come on, pop man, damn just do right?
Speaker 4 (44:01):
A matter of fact, who wouldn't replace with Pope?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Pope come to practice? It wouldn't even have his shoes tied,
and they couldn't tackle it.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
As matter of.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Fact, you know what, if coach made that decision to
let Porters go over, that means there had to be
somebody behind him that they trusted or that maybe not
as maybe not as good buck, but we can we
can do just by.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
They are. Who's that? I think it was maybe maybe
Ruben Drones.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
I think it was Ruby remember, Hey, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
He ended up grocering for twelve hundred.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
Hey, what's the running back? Did you play with?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
The running back you didn't play with? Travis Henry played
in Denver two, Denny No, I.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Was, yeah, Traves gone. I was gone when Trav got there.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
I won't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I don't know why I'm thinking of him thinking about
running backs. I would have had Travis Henry doing.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
You know he he would he did some time.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
O Jo not talk about the running back play for
the Bill. Travis Henry, he did some time. Oh yeah,
damn oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
One day after being claimed by the Buffalo Bill on
waivers from the Steelers, cornerback Darius Slay has informed the
Bills he will not be reporting to the team. Slay
had been a healthy stract scratch in Week thirteen and
seemingly fallen out of favor in Pittsburgh, so the two
sides of mutually agreed to part ways. Adam Schefter reported
that Slay wants to continue to play. Since Slave was
(45:31):
released between the trade deadline at the end of the season,
NFL rules require him clear waivers before he could become
a free agent. That did not happen, as the Buffalo
Bill put in a claim on the thirty four year
old Slave does not want to play in Buffalo. However,
Tom Pelaceerro reported that Slave has informed the Bills he
will not report to the team and his contemplating retirement.
(45:55):
The Bills are likely to let Slave manipulate his way
out of the situation. When a Kwan Bowden signed with
the team before the twenty seventeen season, when the playoffs
drift was broken. He then retired after two weeks before
the season began. He later asked the Bills to release
him so he could play elsewhere, being refused to grant
voters requests and retain its right O Jo, Well, I
(46:20):
big players don't want to go to the bi Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
They got josh Ain't nothing, Roman, joh Ain't nothing Roman,
Josh Allen going to a team like that, you have
a quarterback, but that's the chance you're going to be
in contention.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
Defense is decent.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
You know, I would love to go play with Superman
if I was the defensive back. But I think Slave
might be chilling. Slay might want to make a move
and go back to Philly. He might want to be
able to, you know, have a chance to go back
to Philly and helped him out in some way shape
form of fashion. That might be it, or maybe you know,
I just don't see in understanding how much Slay loves
(46:56):
the game that that has to be his move.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
I think it's a chess move. Obviously, we both have
the same agent.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
I don't play anymore, but still we both have the
same agent and Durosa house, and I know jew it's
gonna give him the right information that he needs if
that's what he's trying to do, and Drew will do
his due diligence behind you know, behind the scenes, behind
closed doors.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
So Slay can get exactly what he wants. And I
personally think if.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
It was going to be a move, I think he
would have he would love to go back to Philly
as opposed to Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, they know that, That's why they're not gonna release it.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
You think they have played the hardball, so yeah, for sure, for.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Sure, that's why they claim it. A lot of times
people would claim player. They get released, they were claim Player.
So I want to make sure you don't go to
a competitor, that somebody that we might have to play.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
What if we release it? What if we let him go,
then he goes to Philly, we end up seeing Phil in.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
The super Bowl, and then and now we got to
deal with slave.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Now we gotta deal with So No, I don't know.
I don't because all they're gonna be on the hook
for is the last what whatever pro rated of a
one point three million dollars left? Because I think he
signed an eight nine million dollar deal. He got seven
and a half of it up front, so the rest
of him so it's really nothing. So man, I agree
with you. I think that's what he wants. He wants
(48:14):
to go back to Philly. I don't think he ever
wanted to leave Philly. No, but you know they you know, uh,
they were young. My in Mitchell, you heard me.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
They were young.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
They were they were youngest they did.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
This is the nature of the business.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
I think Slay is still a very very good quality corner,
very good quality corner and having that veteran presence in
that locker room. Honestly, for me, I wouldn't I wouldn't
have wanted to leave either. I wouldn't want to leave.
But defense has been playing well.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Hopefully.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
You can only play so many people.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
You got a quarterback on the big, big contract, You
got to both the receivers making big time money. Look
at your offensive line how much Look at how much
Lane Johnson my a lot of Dickerson.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Look how much money they make.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
He had a team friendly contract, though he didn't at first.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
They released it. They released it and so now we
got guys coming and they had to resign. Bond.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
You got Jalen Carter coming up, You got Mitchell coming up,
You got Jordan Davis coming up. You know what I'm saying.
You got Mitchell, you got the junk you got. You
can't keep everybody as good as you draft.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
I don't care how much money you've got and how
much you want to keep everybody, You're not gonna be
able to keep them.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
You're not gonna be able to afford him.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
That's my dog. Hey, wait a minute, Well, maybe slave
might come back next week. You might come back next
week because the Bills do have to play the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
You know, I would, I would, I would, I personally.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
I wouldn't want to come back a new team and
have to deal with chasing Higgins.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
No, you don't think so.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
It's it's really cold up there.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
That's football, weather man.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Not for not, not for no significant other having to
sit outside.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
They got they got sweets, man, Please, you're like the
sweet and Buffalo, the sweets and Buffalo, nice.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Man, that man. They try to pay money like that.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Oh yo, you don't think so. You know much sweets cost,
not that much, but sweeten, that number ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Clearly you have sweet. No, you didn't not for no
ten thousand?
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yeah, yeah, how much?
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Not even not even, not even in Cincinnati? Can you
get a sweet for ten thousands? I probably say the
cheapest sweet would probably be a couple of hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Ain't no sweet costs one hundred thousand dollars?
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Now, come on, now, boy, the sweets, the closes. You
get to me a field that costs a million dollars?
What the hell you talking?
Speaker 4 (50:56):
But what kind of sweet? Shot? What?
Speaker 3 (50:57):
What did you talk?
Speaker 4 (51:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yoe?
Speaker 1 (51:01):
You do realize most sweets they come twelve, sixteen, eighteen,
twenty four thirty.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
That's what sweets come in.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
And you know, you know it's funny. On You know
what's funny is I actually had a sweet and I
don't remember how much it costs. But I guarantee you
because as as fiscally responsible as I was, if it
was anything like the numbers you said, I would have
told my homeboys and family. May y'all got to sit
y'all ass in the stands when they get novembdy.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
How many? How many? How many? First of all, how
many are how many?
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (51:32):
How many people fit the sweet?
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Let me see, it's two rolls at the front you
got all the food, then you got the bar, you
got the bar stool.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
You have to pay for the food.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
The food don't come with the sweet. You have to
pay for that. You know, everything everything comes. I mean
it's part of the package.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
No it's not.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Yes, it is. You have to pay in you have
you get the sweet, and then you have to pay
extra for the food. Nah, I got I got a discount.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
I think that's what it was.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
I got a discount.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
You gotta understands what's the average. Let me let me
tell you something. Listen, I'm I'm You can't get it
per game. You gotta get it for the season, all
eight games. You gotta get it for all eight games.
You gotta understand. For me, they might have gave me
a discount because I wasn't just a player, you hear me.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
I wasn't just a player for the Bengals. I was
a part of the Brown family, you hear me. I
was like I was.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
I was so integrated and the part of the family.
I'm not saying I was adopted, but that was the
point where I won't change my name to Chad Brown Johnson,
Like that's that's that's the that's the kind of relationship
I had with ownership.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
I can't I can't wait to hit these numbers.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
Uh yeah, I'm closer to center field because I remember
me and Ray had one. This was in two thousand
and we were next next to the owner's box and
we played a quarter of a minute, damn a quarter
and the food did not come free.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Oh hell, hey, hey, I like this.
Speaker 4 (53:20):
Oh I like this.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
I like this topic.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
Right here, boy, hold on, I like this topic. It's
a good topic. Oh, this is a good topic.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
We're gonna have to We're gonna have to. We gonna
have to put a call in to see how much
I'm calling.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
I'm calling, I'm calling right now. Hold on, come on,
answer the phone. Don't do let em embarrass me in
front of people. Come company.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Oh he embarrassed me in from the company. God damn
t J.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Because uh.
Speaker 4 (54:05):
Damn he answered the phone. And now you got me curious.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
A quarter of a million for a sweet Yeah, because
we were like obviously the owners on the fifty yard,
you know, the owners on the fifty yard less so
we got we had the suite right next to it.
So probably, oh yo, in between the twenties is where
you're gonna pay the most. Obviously you start getting the
(54:30):
corner and then it ends on. That's because you see
what they call sa at the at the super Bowl.
The sweets at the super Bowl be two three billion.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
Dollars crazy and y'are and honestly, at the super Bowl,
those aren't the actual fans. Oh no, no, no, It's
basically a corporate event on That's all it is.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
And the thing is, oh Joe, you have to give
your sweet up if the super Bowl is in your state.
Let's just say the sake of argument, you got a
sweet in Cincinnati and the super Bowl in Cincinnati that's
not your sweet.
Speaker 4 (54:59):
That blows it in a Yeah, you're right, you're right.
They got they got to make them money.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yeah, they got to make their money.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
They're not playing by that. Yeah. I'm like, hold on,
wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
I mean I'm just like, I'm like, god, damn a
quarter million boy.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Oh yeah, oh Joe, it's expensive, man, But look most
of the time, you know who had them the sweets, quarterbacks,
hot dollars, the big boy, and you know you don't
want you you know, you don't want your wives. You know,
because when I was there, the only guy that had
a sweep with john when I was in Denver, the
only guy that had a sweep with johnnybody have played
(55:39):
that high end.
Speaker 6 (55:40):
I mean everybody had to sit outside to have family members. Yeah,
because it wasn't but bro, he was the only one
making big money like that. Man, you can't the part.
Don't play no hundred thousand dollars. You gotta realize on
hundred thousand dollars in the nineties. But money, yeah, I
mean it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Of money now.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
But I'm saying I'm saying back, man, when you have
people not making a hundred thousand when I first my
first two years, I didn even make a one hundred
thousand a year. I made sixty three and seventy three damn.
So hey give me them one hundred and twenty five
dollars tickets
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