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Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson deliver the biggest reactions from NFL Week action! Unc and Ocho dive into Odell Beckham Jr.’s viral comments about losing over $100 million,

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
O Joe.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hours after the Eagles lost to the Bears on Friday,
Philly o'cle Kevin Petullo was a victim of a house
getting egg. Petullo has been heavily criticized this season for
the underperformance of the Eagles offense. The team ranks at
the bottom third of nearly every offensive category. O Joe,
Consider how much egg costs damnel, like eight nine dollars

(00:27):
a day.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
They told they told me we were in a financial crisis.
They told me the economy was bad, and we got
people out here wasting the eggs to egg somebody house.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Listen. I love the Philly fans.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Philly fans are very passionate, a very passionate fan base.
They travel well, They support their team through thick and thin.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
They ain't really had too much thin.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
But goddamn, this is the same fan base that through
snowballs that Santa Claus years ago.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I hear that story all the time. He deserved it.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
He didn't bring no gifts, So something like this doesn't
supper being how serious they are about their football team.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
They won the Super Bowl last year. Things haven't been
the same. The offense doesn't look the same, so who
is the blame whose name keeps coming up over and
over and over. Listen that they're going a little too far.
They're going a little too far. They they didn't have
twenty four hour security at Kevin Tulou's house, so he
doesn't have this issue anymore. They don't do the players

(01:30):
like that. I mean, I mean, I'm damn.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm there for Look, I get it, I get that.
You know, fans get upset, they want to win. I mean,
they're so passionate. You know, fan is short for fanatic,
And when you're fanatic about something, you sometimes you know,
you go over the edge and you get fanatic.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Call about it.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, that's not too excuse because I don't want you.
I don't want you guys to take this the wrong way.
Just says because they're upset, they have a right to
be upset. Boo all that you want to, Yes, but
don't don't damage demand property.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah yeah, come on that that's too funny.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Damage Demand's property. That's what I'm saying. Look, they need
to get this thing fixed.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
It was.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
It was a lot easier for jayalen Hurst to play
quarterback last year because o't Joe. He was throwing the
wide open windows because you know, it was single courage,
because we gotta get this ape got down to stop Saquan.
Gotta stop Saquan. Look, he's not the greatest throw of
the football, and that's not a knock. There are a
lot of guys that's been able to make in the

(02:31):
league without being great throws of the football. Everybody, Look,
everybody gonna be Aaron Rodgers, everybody. Everybody gonna be a
Patrick Mahomes and some of these great throws in the football,
some people are gonna have to win.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Games a different way.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
And so you know, we we I think the thing
is with Jalen is that we look at him and
it's it's not as aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Is
he as great a throwing the football as that? No, Absolutely,
you might say that, well he won a Super Okay,
if that's your only measure, take off, But there have

(03:07):
been a lot of great there have been a lot
of players that have won Super Bowls. That's not as
good as some of the players that haven't. Right, But
they need to figure this out and what's going on.
Jalen's gonna have They're gonna have to trust Jalen Jayleen's
gonna have to trust them and he's gonna.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Have to take some risk. It just is yeah, listen.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Because I just I just don't see a scenario now,
o yo where this running game.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
This running game ain't even close to what it was
last year. No, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
And the fact that it hasn't got going this late
into the season is probably not going to show up.
It's probably not going to show up. I mean, I
mean this this far into the season. But one thing
I do know is I wouldn't count Jayleen out honestly,
regardless of whether we could run the ball, regardless of
how people feel about him being able to throw the ball.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
I think they have. They have.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
They all have a win. The mentality and that god
damn that quarterback, he has.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
The worst, the worst.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
When it comes to just it's football, football own. He
don't smile, he don't make no jokes. He's locked in,
and he's been locked in since they win that Super Bowl.
So if they're going to win, I think he's gonna
have to be on the shoulders of him and on
the arm of that quarterback. And I think having aj Brown,
having Devarte Smith, I feel they're going to be Okay,

(04:30):
Kevin Depula, I mean, mister Petullo, he's still gonna be
calling the plays.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
He's still gonna be calling the plays.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
So it's gonna be the honest the owners and winning
those games since you can't run and gonna have to
come from Jalen.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
I think the thing is for me, o Joe.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I'most see if he's gonna be depensive coordinator next year
because I remember when they went through that law, Yeah,
and he said he believed in them that quarterback. He
wasn't the court, he wasn't the coordinator the following year, right,
and uh that when they bought killing Moore in and
killing Moore, they got called the players.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
They went to the super Bowl and they won it.
So we'll see. I mean everybody said, oh, yeah, we
know we win as a team.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
We lose as a team, but we'll see how much
are you willing to take losing as a team before
you make changes, right, because.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
They listen, they're gonna make them.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
But you know the coaches, you know, Sirihanna gonna say
all the right stuff publicly.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
He gonna say all the right stuff.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
They do every everything is always politically correct when they speak,
but he know their issues because job, you know, jobs,
jobs are at stake. I know you're just coming off
a super Bowl win last year, but I mean, hell,
I mean, what's going on this year is unacceptable, you know,
by their standards, by not just the team standards, not
the organization, hell by the fans standards as well. That's

(05:45):
why they egging the goddamn coach house. Were not feeling,
were not, man, what's up.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Now?

Speaker 5 (05:52):
You got you better get it We better to get
it together, dickhead.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Figure it out.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yes, it's tough because like when you win the super Bowl,
that's the expectations.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
People think super Bowls is easy. People think you just, oh,
once you win it, you just keep winning and winning
and winning and winning.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
People don't realize like when Tom. When Tom, they like, okay,
they wanted one the mister playoffs and O two and
then they won three and four. They didn't win in five,
they didn't win in six. They got back in seven,
they didn't get back in eight, they got back in ten,
then they miss eleven, twelve, thirteen, they got back and forth.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's bro it's hard. It's hard to repeat.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
That's why they have only been a handful of They've
been what fifty nine super Bowl winners, only a handful
of those are repeated. It's hard, it's it's not something
that's easy to do because you have so much turnover
as far as like you get your friends, you can
only sign a few, and then people come steal all
some of your best players that you can't resign, some

(06:51):
of your best coaches, they get other jobs. Oh Joe,
they go to college, they get the jobs in the NFL,
and then.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
You all, this is the biggest problem that you have.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
You get guys wanting to do more with what they
did last time was enough, So everybody wants to be
the reason why.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
So now I need to do more?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh Joe, you call eighty five palls last year, Man,
I need to catch a hundred now, No, eighty five
was plenty.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, yeah, But.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
I think the thing is is, like, hey, what we're
in week fourteen?

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Right? Yes? God damn for the season was over? It
is it is two months. Do you think they got
a chance to turn it around?

Speaker 3 (07:38):
What you think if it ain't turned around, that at
least at least show signs of I.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Think it's gonna be in coming on. Jalen, I don't
think they're gonna be able to run the football. I
don't because the offensive line isn't the same. Your centers
banged up, Your right guard is not very good, your
right tackle is not Lane Johnson.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Dickerson is injured.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
You know, he had his knee operated on before the season,
so he's basically out there on one leg, just gutting
it up.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
They're not the same offensive line. They're not the same
offensive team. Yeah, I got you.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Listen. Listen for Fortulo's sake. I hope things turn around,
you know. I think he needs to have twenty four
hour security outside his home from this point on. I mean,
it's unfortunate that it has come to this, but I
think he also needs to understand how serious the fans
of Philly take their football. This ain't no joke. Uh,

(08:33):
the fans of Philly. They beat up Santa claus Man.
They hit him with snowballs, like you know, you know
how serious that is.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
I do. We took Santa.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
Many people in Philly don't play, and they do not play.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
There's a certain standard that you must live by as
a coach as a player, and we don't meet that
guy damn standard. What happens you get egged. It's a snowballs.
I mean, no, no disrespect. You know, I'm not trying
to be funny. I'm just saying, like Philly men him fan.

(09:13):
They don't play, they travel well, they support and they
mean business.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
A lot of the teams to current two game skared
Eagles led yourself, Joinder. Then I should have called, said
if I had know that you gonna have at the call.
He came on tonight. That's that's my guy. Man be
a self. Ninety eight we had the running backd Self
was a linebacker. Oh, he was on Green Bay in

(09:43):
ninety seven. We beat them in green We beat him
when he's on Green Bay. Then he came to us
and got a Super Bowl and Self said, I'm out
of here, bro, I'm done.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
A lot of the teams current two game skared Eagles
led himself. Joinder had some harsh criticism for A. J.
Brown throughout the season, as consistently complained after wins because
he was unhappy with his life involvement. Over the last
two games, he's had his best two statistical performance of
the season, and we didn't hear any complaints.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Out of him. Losses.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Jonah took it took issue with that. A lot of
people are going to be pissed at me, and they
might be even pissed at me, But a lot of ways,
he's a typical receiver, twenty first century wide receiver deva.
He's selfish because he's getting the ball on a regular
basis and there's no complaining. The Eagles lost two games
in a row and AJ Brown had nine plus targets
and a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
You ain't complaining.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Now, that tells me that's all that bitch in the
morning was really about. Was really self centered.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
You've got damn right.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
What is he talking about, goddamn seth. Yes, all receivers
want the ball. That's the whole point we talk about.
Everybody's selfish at some point in the game of football. Yes,
it's the team sports. Yes he won't want to win,
but also we need.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
To be productive. We want to be productive.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
He didn't sign up to If he wanted to run track,
he would have ran track. If you want to run
up and down the field and not do anything and
not be productive, he would have ran track. He wants
to be productive. He makes thirty three million dollars a year.
He wants the ball to coincide with the money that
he's making. Yes, winning is a team accomplishment. It's not

(11:23):
just on AJ Brown, it's not just on Saquon Barkley.
It's just not on Jalen Hurts. It's a team effort
collectively as a group. When everybody does everything right in Unison,
you get a W.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I mean, what are we talking about here? It's tough,
very because the part of me understands what he's going through.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, and a part of me like, man, look, I
wanted the ball too, but I understood it the end
of the day. It's just hard. It's just hard, and
fans are gonna look like, bro, we winning. Man, we winning,
We winning? Just shut up. If we weren't winning and
you're not getting the ball, I'm gonna be on your side.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
I'm gonna have a I'm gonna have a batter throw
to the a J.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
But when you're winning and I get the he told
he promised the owner that he wasn't gonna speak out anymore,
so he wasn't gonna do say anything after games, or
he wasn't gonna put anything on social media.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
So that's probably that.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Might be a reason why he's not saying anything, because
he promised Jeffrey Lewie that he wasn't going to say anything.
It's just it's just tough that when you win. The
complaint because I thought the ultimate goal was to win,
and I get his point that, Look, I'm a number
one receiver. You paid me money, you traded for me

(12:50):
to come here. Okay, treat me like that and throw
me the ball.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Ed got a question.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yes, you know the Eagles defense gave up you know
how many yards last week?

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I do, Yeah, a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Goddamn defense one of the few games, one of the
few games all year long.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Finally that damn collapsed. And when we needed the offense
to pick us up, what happened?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
They ain't show up on I keep telling people, I say, look,
whatever your best, whatever your best unit is, they're gonna
have an off Sunday or two. The question is can
the other unit that's not as strong, can you pick
them up. There were a couple of games in the
regular season in two thousand our defense didn't look like

(13:42):
the defense that we had no income in love offense
had to pick it up. We picked it up against Jacksonville.
We ended up winning thirty nine. I think thirty nine,
thirty three, thirty nine, thirty six, something like that, and
we ended up it was a close game against the Jets,
the last game of the season. But at times is
those types of those happen. Like you said, for the

(14:04):
better part of three months, the defense had been sensationally
has been star wark awesome, and the offense, okay, man,
we ain't got it today. Come on aj come on,
sa Quon, come on Jalen, come on Davonte.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
M So it's hard for any unit to be up here.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, give another example, the Super Bowl with Tom Brady. Yeah,
they have been scoring all those points. They scored more
points than anybody else in the NFL history up until
that point. And the one game they couldn't get that.
What do they need the defense to do? Ojo, lock
them down, lock them down, We got the lead. Just

(14:52):
keep them at the end zone.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
We kick. If they kick a field goal, we go
on the time we might win.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
To talk Bluke go boom happens. Sometimes sometimes it happens
that way where the unit that's not as strong or
hasn't been that statistically strong during the regular season, we
need them come pull us through. For a couple of games,
on your happens. Sometimes it is tough. It's really tough.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Hey, does it get Does it get any easier for
the Eagles who.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
No, No, they got Sunday night game against against the
Oh they play.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
The Chargers, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
In the Chargers defense, they a Khalil matt uh someone
I forget his name, forty five they can put pressure
on your quarterback.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Let me see Derwin.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, they got Henley, they got Henley, nice Khalil Mack.
They're collapsed in the pocket. They can run now, we're
gonna see. Uh, Justin Herbert had surgery day. On that hand,
they say he's day by day. They'll know more later
in the week, whether or not even gonna play. They
got no. I don't know if they have good chance.
They're gonna have a winning if Trey Lanson the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
But they damn man, you can't. You can't. You can't.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
You can't force your defense because think about it, old Joe,
how many plays that defense played on Thursday?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Oh, fright, excuse me, Friday Friday? They play Friday, they
play black Friday.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
So hey, guys, hey, hey, they win, got it, y'all
better be getting it because we ain't got it either.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
But it's it's tough. Yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Because when you're the guy, you know, people don't look,
but hey, how many balls you catch?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
That man? I ain't catch for three damn? What happened
to you?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Man?

Speaker 1 (16:48):
They ain't throw me the Bible that you mean? What
happened to me? So it's, uh, it's tough. It's tough.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
It's a few it's a few teams, you know, and
in some issues and troubles with their seasons. You know,
right now where where it's it's it's looking them, it's
looking dark. The Chiefs is another one. They got to
get it together.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh they got to win out. Boy, they got to
get it together. Oh Joe, I remember. Look, let me
tell you how I was.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
I remember when I first got the undisputed and then
they was like, man, skill be doing the auto mask.
You skill talk all the time. I say, I don't
get paid by the word. I get paid by the day. Right,
so long as I show up, I'm gonna make the
same money. Right when out the CBS, you know, we
have all those people on the panel, you might get
a first of all, it's an hour show. You got

(17:43):
the host and you got four other guys sitting up there.
So by the time they get to you a sometime,
I have like three minutes. All I know that directed
positive hit. I got paid by the date, so I
ain't I ain't complaining about no talk time because they
don't play me. Pay me by the word, right, they
pay any boy the word, and I'm trying to get it.
I'm talking over everybody. Hey, I ain't gonna owe you

(18:06):
do that. I'm talking over everybody. Let me get hey,
let me get my quote again, right, But but.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
I get you know, a part of me do uh
empathize with AJ he's like in his prime, and you
know he knows.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
He's like, Man, I know what y'all gonna do.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Y'all ain't gonna look at last year that I would
look at this year, because you're gonna say I got
a year older. I'm getting closer to thirty, and you
know when they get thirty is normally to cut off.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
You know how they play, you know how they play,
you know how they play with you.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
So hey, J I just said, is just bro.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Just go out there and just keep he just keep
fighting hard, just keep playing, just try to stay positive
as you possibly can you know, pick up hurts when
you can.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, hey, hey, hey, Philly fans, Philly fans, come on, man,
I love y'all. Man, don't don't, don't, don't, don't. Don't
do the Coe house like that. Man, don't do his
house like that. Don't do it like that. And I
watched Washing Pittola gonna go out there, man Jenning gonna
throw for about five hundred yards.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Man, well, that right tackle better pick it up because
Khalil Mack ain't bull jibing. Odell Beckham tweeted, presumably, I
guess it's ad us boy. You can't say nothing in
the world nowadays. That's why I've been in my own lane,
my own world and put it the way people love

(19:29):
to take ish out of context to rationalize the statement
in their own head that makes sense to them.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
What a world.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Video came out today of Odell's selling game Warren Chrome
Heart Cleats for fifty k h.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
You remember remember when I you were telling me the
story unk, and I said, I thought I thought he
was giving perspective and context on how difficult it is
to to be able to manage money.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
I didn't.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
I didn't really think he was talking about himself.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
No, oh Joe, If you got oh Joe, what's difficult
about managing sixty million liquid?

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Hold on, well, what's difficult?

Speaker 3 (20:08):
The number of the percentage of athletes NBA, NFL, MLB
is damned in ninety percent.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Now, So I mean it's difficult. That's why I thought.
I thought.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I thought because the first thing, when he said it
and gave context and perspective on how difficult it is,
I thought he was meaning in general, not specifically talking
about himself.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
But go ahead, But I get what he's saying. Yes,
you're spending, first of all, spending four million dollars and
yearly expenses. Yes, sir, your home, family, home, X, Y,
and Z. Well, first of all, to spend that, you
need to make at least ten million, depending on where
you are. Now, if you're in a state, that takes

(20:48):
fifty percent. Now, if you in Las you and Nevada,
you in Texas, you in Florida. I think Ohio has
no state income tax. I think Arizona is like two percent.
So if you're in one of those states, so it's
going to take about ten million to do that. Have
that kind of lifestyle now, now, what happens is, Joe,
is that you still try to maintain that lifestyle, Joe,
when you're not bringing in ten million and you're still

(21:10):
spending out that money kind of money going out. That's
why they go out. That's why you see guys go
barely up, Ojoe. Is that you don't change your spending habits.
It's the same way if you're an athlete, you eat
whatever you want, you work out. Now all of a sudden,
you're not an athlete, and you still eat whatever you
want now all of a sudden, dB look like d Lineman.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
That's what happens with money.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
A Think about you just said, Hey, Joe, think about
what you just said, right, Think about what un just
said real quick, right, is you're living a lifestyle. When
the money's coming in fast, you become accustomed to that lifestyle.
That lifestyle actually becomes your image and it becomes an identity.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
So once you stop.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Playing the transition to be able to stop and have
the discipline to be able to cut it off, to
become a minimalist almost of the sense.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
It's most impossible.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
It's hard because you always want to maintain that lifestyle
and that damage because what's the first thing. Everybody that
you're trying to God damn impressed on say all, he
ain't got it the mode all he the.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
First time you ain't got a new car? Man he bad,
got bad year with a new whip every other year.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
He Hey Joe, Hey Joe and uncle. One thing about it, Bry.
I learned early. I learned early.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
I did not want to try to keep up with
the Joneses.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
I did not want to keep it. Hey, Joe and
I and Joe.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
I did it when I was making the bulk of
my money, Joe, Joe, I came in the NFL already
cheap as hell. I didn't care about people making fun
of me. I didn't care about certain types of women
not wan to date me because they know, Yeah, he
ain't gonna he ain't paying nothing, He's not you know,
you ain't getting nothing out.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Of That's that's okay.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
But I understand, I understand dealing with you, it is
nothing but a liability anyway.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
You know, I got the table and the legs.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
You got ain't gonna hold it up, you know, so
you understand that you played it, Joe.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
It's all a game, and the better you learn to
play the game, the longer you will be able to
be without.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
It's okay, but.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
So you have so many of us, so many of
us are so caught up and looking like we fucking
got it, Like I don't.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Everybody want to be rich. Everybody want to look.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
Like they like like shit, No, that that's it's not reality.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Social media has us food, it has all of us food.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
They ain't got people because I know, damn well, I
do okay, and I ain't living like that.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
No, I ain't got it like that.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
You know what's scary, Joe, Joe, this, this is a
scary part. And this is this is for men and
women when it comes to the people that try to
maintain that lifestyle and you know, they don't make the
kind of money to continue that lifestyle, especially if you
don't play sports.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
If you don't play sports.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
And you and all this flashy shit, that means you're
willing to do anything anything to maintain that image. That
in itself is dangerous, Joe.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
If you leave the sport and you get you a
gig and you're making money like Steven A, you making
money like straight Hand, you making money like Tony Romo,
You're making money like Tom Brady, yeah, take off.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Wait, hold on, hold on, Now, what you're not gonna
do is I ain't gonna me. I don't mean to
put the people in our business. But if you're making
money like uncle ochoke.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Cause you hey listen, no money like that.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Don't say everybody else, everybody good, mom, good, sister, good,
everybody good.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Listen, listen. I'm gonna say this one more time. I said,
I see them numbers at the end of each month.
Just add us to that goddamn equation. I'm gonna tell
you what my grandma always told me.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Speaking he speaking it to existence. Hello, we do okay?

Speaker 5 (25:00):
Hey, when you say okay, add three more wives to it.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
I saw I saw a guy today. I saw I
read a quote. Yes, the guy would see he was
basically said, he says, as you become more famous and
you become more well off, relationships become more transactional.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Understand that. Understand that I'm learning that. Do me a favor.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Just in case the chat didn't hit you, because I
got one for you.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
Say it one more time, say it well famous.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Make sure the chat.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
The more famous you becoming, the more well off you become,
the relationships become more transactional. Y'all know what transactional is. Yes,
I agree, hear hey.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Let me let me get, let me get, Let me
dive a little deep before you real quick, uncle Joe.
Even if you're not wealthy, even if you're not making millions,
even though you're making one hundred thousands, or even if
you're a thousand there you know, you know, you get
paid every two weeks. The individual that you're dealing with
is still dealing with you based on the ability for

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you to provide and give them stability in a sense
of peace, always always, so it's still aligne those those
those same, that same quote and the analogy that unc
you's are still a lines regardless of how much you
make based on your partner, ask your partner and tell
her to be truthful.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
If you lost the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
To provide, if she'll still be there, Ask your partner
if you being able to make things convenient and the
opportunity dealing with you didn't present it, This didn't present
itself in a in a good manner.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
If she will still be there, and tell her to
be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
And you know a lot of women to say, oh,
I don't deal with nobody for no money. It ain't
it ain't about that, Like, come on, now, let's stop
he and And the funny thing about it is you're
always paying for who you're dealing with. And the only
thing this is the only thing. Chat, I want you
to do me a small favor. Go to my Twitter

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and read my bio. Now there's a joke at the beginning,
but I tell the truth towards the end, and now
I'm gonna just leave it. Just go to my Twitter
and read my bio. And the truth is sitting right there,
no matter what they try to tell you. That's what
it all comes down to, no matter what they say.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, but I just think the thing is, Look, one
hundred million dollar contract. I think everybody understands one hundred million.
Nobody is getting all hundred million of back. You've got
to pay. You got to pay federal income tax. I
don't give a damn what state you live in. You've
got to pay federal income tax. And you have something
called a jock tax. If you're a professional athlete and
you go to certain states, you gotta pay for the
money that you earned there. And you go to certain

(27:41):
states and you work, you have to pay money that
you earned in that state. So I think everybody is
nobody is under the assumption anymore that when they see
one hundred million, somebody actually got one hundred million. But
to get sixty to get Basically, if you, like I said,
you live in a tax free state and you only
got to pay thirty thirty Let's just say on the
high you're paying thirty seven percent federal income tax. That

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means of a million dollars you get six hundred and
thirty seven, you get six hundred thirty thousand. So if
you bring home, if you got sixty million liquid, theoretically,
oh Joe, you put that in a fund. You put
that in a fund, you gonna get five to eight percent.
That'd be some years you get ten twelve percent.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
So even if you just getting five percent on sixty million,
that's three million dollars a year. Man, if you can't
live on three million dollars a year, you got issues. Say,
like like a Jay z is somebody that got full
time security and they got all these chefs and they
got all these people.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Obviously it requires more than that. But I'm saying for
the average person, yeah, like myself, Joe, you ye mean man.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
If you can't whoa whoa, whoa whoa. Listen, I'm not average,
I'm extraordinary.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Know what I'm saying. I'm cheesus hell noger bush and but.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I'm saying people like us because the average person's not
gonna be in a situation to make that kind of money.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I'm not talking about. I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Look if you got if you make, if you make
a million dollars a year, unless you got extraordinary expenses.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
That shil you should be good. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Get.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
You a nice little get your nice little house payment,
say you know, five somewhere between five and seventy five
hundred a month. Get you a nice car. You and
your wife get a nice car. She got one, You
got one.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Kids.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Because if you make that kind of money with jo
it's hard. You're gonna probably be sending your kids to
private school?

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Just?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Is what it is.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
There are very few people that make a million dollars
a year and the kids go to public school.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
I'm just being honest with you. Now.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
I know everybody saying I send my kids it's easy
for you to say that when you're not in that situation.
But most people that make that kind of money that
kids go to private school. And what we were trying
to do, we didn't say it was We were just
trying to say how people go barely up because when
you have kids, multiple kids, and you live in certain
states and you pay five, ten, fifteen, twenty thousand dollars

(29:59):
per chain, you got three kids, if you got if
you're paying that kind of money for the kids, guess
what else you're paying for private school. Private schools cost
you somewhere between ten and thirty thousand a year. So
now compound that. Yeah, so you're getting one hundred thousand
a year. Ooh, one hundred thousand. Yeah, No, you're paying
one hundred thousand. Yeah, So if you paid twenty twenty twenty,

(30:22):
that's sixty thousand a month times eighteen years.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Ay, plus another plus.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Let's just say, oh children, you got three kids, then
they go to private school, and that's another twenty thousand,
So that's another sixty thousand a year times eight. Well,
they're not going to stay the same because private schools
go up every year. So it might start out at
twenty and by the time they get to be seniors,
that's probably be thirty thirty five. So we're just trying
to explain to people how it happens. Is that that's

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why they said, A get you one. If I could
do it over again, I'd have all my kids from one.
I'd get married, save myself a lot of money, likes
a lot of attorney fees.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
See, that's why I see, that's why I'm thankful. Hey, Joe,
sometimes they got to get up. See, that's what I'm
gonna do, just this conversation as general. I'm gonna get
on my knees after the show, and I'm gonna thank God.
I'm gonna thank God because unk just ran off from
goddamn numbers, right, And that's just And you think Joe
I got eight, Joe, I got eight. Joe, and I
listen to hey, hold on, listen to me. Let me
tell you what I'm Joe. Let me tell you I'm grateful,

(31:21):
though Joe. Unks just ran off them numbers, right, boy.
I ain't never seen and never had to do nothing
like that.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Joe. You know, no private none of your kids went
the private schools, none of that.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
No, no, no, no, Joe, Joe.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
My kids needed a different timeo.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Yeah, yeah, young my kid need to carry different time.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Even even even even now, o joe, what you was paying,
you probably have to double that even just because the
cost of living is higher.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
You're talking about you're talking about fifteen, eighteen.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Twenty years ago, so you know what the cost is
right now. Yeah, the cost of living is going up,
so is the cost of raising the child?

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Is a A joe?

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Some of them numbers Unk was ripping off to, you
know them people them the type of people you know,
having kids by certain people. It ain't really about the
child in the first place. That's come on now, yeah,
can you can you imagine having to pay for a
child fifty thousand a month, one hundred thousand a month, yeah,

(32:23):
two years old?

Speaker 1 (32:24):
What the hell? What we doing? Boy? The fact that
they that they granted to some people.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Oh yeah, absolutely, because it's based on it's based on me.

Speaker 8 (32:35):
It's mind boggling. I'm like, man, how somebody need thirty
forty fifty K a month.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
For a child?

Speaker 7 (32:42):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
I know a guy that was paying in the early
two thousand was playing fourteen thousand a month. I know, yeah,
I know a few cats who paying more than thousand
a month.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
I know, dude.

Speaker 8 (32:55):
Playing seventeen thousand a month twenty two thousand a month,
like man one hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars a
year is where you found at two though, where they.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Had them kids at.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Now, there are some states that the mac is capped.
You can only get X amount. You might only get
thirty five Mondred, you only get five. And then some
states they basing on how much the father makes I'm saying,
and they make you responsible for the private tuition because
they say if the child, the child should be afforded
the life that if the child was with you, that

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the child would enjoy without you.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Now, I ain't telling what somebody told me. I'm telling
you now. See, y'all can talk about a whole lot.
Don't know what you're talking about. Bullge eye. Yeah, I'm
with you when you're right.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
Hey, hey boy, that's a.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
I'm glad. I'm glad.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
Boy those I had kids from boy, they wasn't like that.

Speaker 9 (33:49):
Man.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, Joe, I'm Joe. I'm getting on my nigga.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
I just just just it makes me cringe hearing the numbers.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
And uh.

Speaker 8 (34:00):
Also I'm president Joe Joe, and that's my thing, Uncle Ojo.
It's like these numbers, I'm telling y'all I've heard about
cats paying and many they almost got custidered of their
kids and they still paying.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Absolutely absolutely. You get the kids during the summer, you
get the kids for one or two months. Guess what
you still got to send that same money. Oh, Joe,
we gotta come back to best. We gotta welcome the game.
He let a game when he drive he was nineteen
and thirty three one hundred and seventy two yards of
touchdown in the twenty seven and twenty seven twenty four

(34:35):
Victorian cloud Because outed another forty four yards on the
ground at a score hairy Ty the best dressed man
in the NFL. Harry is Ladies and gentlemen. Ty Rod
Taylor t t what's going on?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Tyrod? What's happening? What's happening? What's up? Were good man?
How you congratulations on the big time? I appreciate it. Bro,
tell us what happened? Okay?

Speaker 2 (34:59):
You back to hands. They got you. They grabbed you
by the sleeve. You know you can't wear no loose
sleeve like that.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
They got there.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Man.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Hey, you like, hey, I have a couple about this league.
Hey you have a sleeve, but I gone.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
Facts facts, Noah, it was it was a crazy place.
Leonard Floyd obviously great reach, but yeah, just try to
make a play. Obviously, can't take a sec on the
naked He done a great job and reh redirector and
getting his hand on me. But at the same time,
I can't go down, so get out of there. I
took a shot on that play, but definitely couldn't take

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the set.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Get the ball on my.

Speaker 9 (35:33):
Hands, yep.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Most definitely What is that feeling like to man? Obviously
things haven't been going that well for the Jets. You
get the opportunity to be at the hem, to be
that leader, to be that quarterback of that group, despite
things going well, everyone talking trash on the outside.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
What does it feel like to get a win like that? Today?
It felt amazing.

Speaker 6 (35:53):
One thing I'll say about our team all season, we've
kind of ignored the outside noise and we have to blink.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
We've been in just.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
About every game that we played, but we're just having
consistently put something together, uh, in all three phases, and
I think today we was able to do that. So definitely,
prior to the locker room, the guys we've been through
a ton, whether it's been injuries, trades here and there
on the wrong side of certain games. But yeah, nobody

(36:20):
blinked and it was good to see the outcome the
way it did. Nick fought could a great field goal
at the end to see the deal. It's just a
great fel the overall.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, Ty Roder, how did look?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
You came in obviously, they brought Justin Fields in to
be a starter, to be the starter, and you've been
a backup since you basically, I mean you had it.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
You did a great job in Buffalo. People don't realize before.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Josh Allen, you were the last team to take You
were the last quarterback to take Buffalo to the playoffs.
You get you get to the Chargers, you're about to start.
You have a real injury in pre season. You're gonna
get an injection. They go a little they went a
little bit too far in and you get a pr
lung and then you just like man, am I ever
gonna get an opportunity to start again. And you get
your opportunity. But you know you came there counter to

(37:06):
mentor just the Fields And if your number is.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Called, be ready.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
That is that difficult understanding that this young man like damn,
he just can't seem to catch a break, but I
still got to do my Damn.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
It's definitely tough, But at the same time, I think
that's just part of being a pro. I tell guys
all the time, I was fortunate when I got drafted
to Baltimore to walk into a locker room with so
many veteran guys. You at An Kwan, you at Ed Reed,
you had Ray Lewis, even Joe was was was. I
mean a few years in at the time, and those

(37:39):
guys took me under their wings and just told me how.

Speaker 9 (37:41):
To be a pro, how to attack the day each
and every day.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
And I think that that ultimately rubbed off on me
into how I approached my day to day and fifteen
years later being able to walk into a building, like
you say, on one hand, mentoring and teaching the guys,
but at the same time being mentally in fit just
be prepared to go out and and lead if called upon.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Damn, Tyrod, I didn't realize it's been fifty you got
you t Russe. I'm gonna get what the hell? What
the hell are I mean? You have you set a goal?
Have you said if they're set in nine years? Or
you just want to because It's not like you got
a whole lot.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Of ruin that I never said years.

Speaker 6 (38:21):
I always said, long as I'm enjoying the game, I'm
not playing through anything like through an injury.

Speaker 9 (38:28):
I enjoyed the preparation of a season. It's still fun.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
It's still like I'm begging my mama to take me
out to practice field.

Speaker 9 (38:36):
I was five years old.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
So yeah, I never said a year on it. That's dope.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
And you know what I wanted to ask, you know,
I want to go inside the locker room a little bit,
and and and and talk about the team, them around
and and what Aaron Glenn has been able to tell
his players. You know, when things aren't going well, you know,
you're losing back to back games, most of the games
being close games where you guys could have won, but
we wasn't able to put up enough, do enough, you know,
consist offensively. How did he get the players not to

(39:03):
but how did he not lose the locker room because
most of the time I've been you know, on many
many you know, losing seasons.

Speaker 9 (39:11):
You know, during my.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Team he played in Cincinnati State. Don't do that, I
want to.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Say, to make sure he didn't lose the locker room
and have players giving up out there.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
The main thing is just keeping our standard and our
brand of football the same.

Speaker 9 (39:26):
Obviously, this is a results business.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
Game, and you want to win weekend and week out,
but when you're shifting the culture and the guys are
so young in the locker room, it's about creating a
standard first, and that's about how you practice UH and
and learning how to win a lot of teams in
this league don't know how to how to win. And
I would say Coach Clinton's done a great job over
the course of this year of just keeping the main thing,

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the main thing, not necessarily being results based, but coming
in and and asking a certain standard of us day
in and day out, and guys that respond well.

Speaker 9 (40:00):
We got a lot of respect for Coach.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
Clinton and he's a great.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Leader for us.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Ty Rod, Look, the last game you play, I think
it was a Thursday night game, and Mitch had some
tough drops. He had a couple of plays that he
could have made that MNA and and and AG spoke
about it after the game. But you didn't seem to
have a problem with that day because he made a
big catching like a fifty something yard touchdown. He split
the scene and you felt very comfortable. What did you

(40:27):
tell him? Because he had to be down on himself
because he had a kind of fell out of favor
in the Colts and he was a part of the
package that said sauce to ended. He came over to you, guys,
what did you say like to keep his spirits up
to have him to come out and have a game like.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
Yeah, it is a guy that he knows the type
of sality has and he wants to get it right.
I mean he's at the facility to eight o'clock on
the drugs, catching off the wall.

Speaker 9 (40:51):
He's always working on his craft.

Speaker 6 (40:52):
So when you see a guy that put that type
of work in, he's intentional about the things he does.
And I mean everyone has a bad game or off
game here and there, but that kid is special and
looking forward to him being a big part of this
offense moving forward.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
You guys are three and nine. I don't know if
there's a chance that you can sneak into the playoffs,
but how do you But how do you stay so positive?

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Todd Rod?

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Because you catch you keep mentioning being professional the process,
the process, the standard is the standard, and there's an
expectation that as a professional, you must be a pro
professional you're an NFL player. Appro is how you go
about doing your business on a daily basis, even when
things aren't going.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
Yeah, the main thing for us is just staying like
I said, sticking to our process day to day, taking
the one game at a time at three and nine,
not necessarily looking at what the rest of the season
looks like. Focus on going out and having a great
Wednesday this week and being one to know this week,
not trying to get five in a row.

Speaker 9 (41:53):
It start with one game.

Speaker 6 (41:54):
You can't get five in a row without starting with
the first game.

Speaker 9 (41:58):
So for us, it's about.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
Ignoing and noise, and I think we have a good
locker room and the type of guys that they can
do so. And I meant, then at the end of
the season, look up and see what we've done.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
They got the Dolphins coming up, you know, got the
Dolphins coming up.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, we got there, We got we gotta start. He said,
you can't get the five in the row until we
got the first one. So now we got to get
the two of the r So we get the two
of the row. We Hey, we see what is that game.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
They play out there in New York or New Jersey.
One on ye.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Hey, hey, you know, dolphins don't like cold water. They
don't like the cold don't.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
Hold on, they like cold water, don't like cold weather.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Hey, and no, dolphins in no cold no cold weather
because the cold weather and water's cold.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
They're malbos. Last I check. They ain't got no further
and ain't got no further.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
But they always in cold water.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
No they not. Okay, we'll argue about that later.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
About thanks for congratulations on a great wearing man, great
game winning drive to get to get that dub Jass
moved to three or nine thanks to a twenty seven,
twenty fourth victory over the Atlanta Foul because man, congratulations, Hey,
get your boy ticket to the uh.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
The met Gallon put a word for I put the
word for. But that's all they put the word.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
How are you gonna ask him for a ticket to
the met Gallon? We could, We were supposed to be
a team.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
What once they say give me a call? I would say,
can I get a plus one?

Speaker 5 (43:30):
Now you're supposed to say that off jump man a
get one.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
For me and me and my boy Joe, Oh Joe,
I can't see if I said both of us, you're
gonna want to bring somebody, and I gotta so that
you my.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
Plus I ain't gonna bring nobody you not even.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
That's why I'm saying you my plus one, because I'm.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Not not even in the fashion like me and me
and me in all time. You're not even in the
fashion like that.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
You give me my fifty nine hundred, I would be
I give me some chrome heart or something. Hey, hey, Tyd,
what can I give for fifty nine hundred fro chromehart nothing?

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Bad socks?

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yeah, yeah, okay, Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I hain't in the fashion like that, and that's all
I can get. I hated the fashion, ty Rod. Congratulations, man,
give some rest, good luck the rest of the season,
Stay healthy, and.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
We'll talk to you. Love, man, Love.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Jerry Judy didn't exactly calm things down over the week
when asked by the media about the door sideline exchange.
In fact, Cleveland is up in arms over him, saying
it's the media's fault. He's picking fights with reporters and
his own Browns teammates. Let's take a listen, o Joe
to what he had to say.

Speaker 7 (44:39):
Probably taught him off camera. You know what, that's probably
I would have done different, you know from Coomas mind
and tell me what and say what I need what
I see out there. Uh, but you know, you know
what it is football and man just being sure dog good.
You know, it's stuff like that happens. You know, y'all
gonna make it bigger than what it is, you know,

(45:00):
because it's the media, you know, and that's what your
feed off of negativity.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
You know what it is.

Speaker 7 (45:05):
This is the life you live, so you know, we
move on from it. And I lived in a real life,
you know, So what happened around in this locker room,
you know, just real not now what's going on on social.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Media and everything. So man, sure doing good?

Speaker 7 (45:18):
Everything good man, We're grave over here.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Mhm.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Every everything is magnified. Everything is magnified, especially when you're losing. Obviously,
all the turmoil, all the questions, all the all.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
The know that because everything was magnified with it magnified.
Because what about the Eagles, It's.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Magnified and their situation is magnified because even though they
were winning during that time, he had issues. You had,
you know, certain people individuals coming out, you know, having
their displeasures, you know, posting stuff on social media.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
So it created it created a firestorm.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
So it gave the media something to talk about over there,
over there, excuse me, over there in Cleveland. Obviously, the
interaction between Judy, the animated interaction between Judy and goddamn
sin Is on the sideline is something not not not new,
not new, but it's new. It's new to them. It's
new to them. Two players that are not on the
same page, and their way of communicating it wasn't the

(46:15):
right way to communicate. It wasn't the right way now
that they were winning. If they were winning, and they were,
they were there, they were playing well all season long,
or it wouldn't be no problems something that they just sweep,
sweep right up under the rug.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
But listen to do a second start too, of them.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
They're going at on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Oh we got a motherfucking story now, Yeah, I'm talking
to me baby.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Why we Why you got to be the media. The
media job is to report what absolutely you got? These
his you got these demonsters, demonstrated atics. What do you
think they think? And I told you it could have
been nothing. But when you get animated like this and
all should do it with things down and then all

(46:58):
of a sudden hands.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Up and saying what are you absolutely can I just say, look.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Guys, yeah, we could have had I could have handled
that situation better. I'm the vet in this situation. I
should have handled that situation a lot better than what
I did. I saw something one way, he saw another way.
Whatever differences we had that could have been resolved behind
closed doors. I was always conscious of that, old y'all,
because I know you know I'm demonstrative, because I already know.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
So now you start yelling. I started yelling.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
You say something, and the one thing I don't ever
want to go across the bridge that I can't go
back across. You say something in the heat of the moment.
You know, drunk kids and angry people will tell you
how they truly feel about you. So you have to
be careful when you're angry about what you say. So
I was always conscious of that. If I had something

(47:53):
to say to the quarterback, be it John be At Grease,
be it Tony Banks, a Trent, Jake Plumber, I always like, man, brother,
this is what I was thinking, and so forth and so.
But by the same token I expected them to you know,
to give me that kind of grace. Also because I
promise you you show me up, you're not gonna like

(48:14):
me right right right, because if you bring it to me,
I got to give it back to your plug because
I got to make sure you get it because I
don't want to be I don't want anybody.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
So when I didn't get what you was, yeah, you
got this here.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
So that's why I was always conscious knowing the cameras
was around, even not as many cameras as they have now,
O Joe, but I understood people in the stands.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
You getting animated, they getting animated. Ain't nothing. I'll tell you.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
I told you having to me one time. Yeah, just
like that.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
But mine was mine was in the field of playing.
Were Monday night football. We playing, were playing the Steelers.
I'm already frustrated because.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
They're not able to give me the ball.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Everything they doing right in front of me, safety over top,
so you're already know I'm frustrated. So the ball, when
I do get the balls, I mean, the balls that
do come to me, it's gonna be very few. And
the one boy I'm I'm I'm open. I beat the
double team. The ball is not supposed to come to me.
I told Carson on this, just give me a shot.

(49:13):
I'm finna work these boys, and unc he overthrew, he
overshot it a little bit and long behold, you know
the camera already on me.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
Man.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
You know I already keep one chin strap already unbuckled.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Man, I snapped the other when I'm mad going back
to the huddle, Carson met me. Carson met me halfway
before to get off the field.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
If you ever.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Motherfucking showed me up like that again, I won't throw
another motherfucker ball the rest of the game, just like that,
not playing no games.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
I ain't say nothing the rest of the game.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
I ain't say none the rest of game because I
understood who had to control and being able to get
that ball to me.

Speaker 10 (49:55):
Yeah, but one time it took me one time. Never
had issue again because because because I know how I
am Joe. I look, I understand his job, is it not?
But I'm like, man, I wanted to say some stuff. Uh,

(50:20):
but nah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna show him
up because you know what happened. You show the guy up,
he threw it to you, You drop the ball, go
through your hands didn't get picked. Now, everybody looking at
you sideway, you say you wanted.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
It, he threw it to you, you threw it back
at it, or you let hey, you gave it to
the other guy.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I was always mindful of that on you. I really am.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
And even in the I remember in college I used
to like, just throw it, just throw it out there.
And I was just like Coach Day would grab me
and say, son, I said, Coach, we go over this
every day and practice. They can't guard me. That's all
I'm saying, Coach, just give me a chance. Just put

(51:03):
it up. But I just like, like I said, it's
not like it. Look, look everybody is not as verse
as dealing with the media because you understand Ojo.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
It's a it's a skill to that on it is.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
I was very, very fortunate because I remember in college,
I was standing in front of the mirror. I'm talking
to myself that asked me a question. I had a
good game. This is how I'm gonna respond. This is
how I'm at If I had a bad game, I
had a couple of drops, I made some assignments.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I was just gonna this is how I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
So By the time I got there, I was like, Okay,
you know, I'm looking at other guys. I see Steve Atwater,
how he talked. I see Dennis Smith how he talks.
I hang around a little while to watch lay, see
how he talked to the media. I'm like, okay, okay,
a little bit of okay. Try to stay level, try
to stay you know, even kill uh not get not

(52:02):
get you know, too disappointed, you know obviously. Yeah, sometimes
I'm not gonna have a I'm not gonna have a game.
I'm gonna have a drop or two in a in
a in a tough spot. But just trying to just
like just to be leveled, just to be understanding. They
got a job to do. I understand we all have
jobs to do. Even though I didn't do my job
to the best of my ability, that doesn't excuse me
from not helping you do your job.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I always understood that. O.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Joe and I tried to be professional, always tried to
be professional and and and in that aspect of it.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
But it's it's not easy when you're not playing well.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
And and and and and people like, well the guy
might have played better if such and such would have
played better yeah, yeah, it's it's just it's it's but
social media is hard, now, O Joe, it had been,
you know, I don't know what I've.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Had fun with social media. Yeah, I probably would.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Have took some shots on some guys that I'm playing against, absolutely,
because that's just my nature.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I couldn't help it. Let me see.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
You know what's funny is I didn't need I didn't
need social media. I used the media to take my shots.
But they have to understand, see you, you and I
were a little different. So my comparison as far as
taking shots, I would use a comparison with me and
Steve Smith sr. Steve he taking shots and he meant
that like he meant at the word he said.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
If he's talking about somebody now.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
My taking shots, taking shots and sending gifts to the
secondary as a whole.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
You already know it's entertainment. You already know it's entertainment.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
It's more of an invitation as to the competition and
making sure, boy, you better be on your on your
p's and q's comes Sunday behavior because I listen, I
already gave you bullets to boar material and that it's
up for you to be able to stop it.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
That's all. That's all I mean.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
But oh man, well if I could, if I could
do it again, I do it the same way and
add some more to it. But hey, I done came
up with some great ideas. Watchington game and I wish
I was still playing.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
I can go back and implement it.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Then, Yeah, bass, Minty, bass bass. I'll be watched Minty
because I was. I played a couple of years. Like
I said, my last year in Baltimore, I went to
the Pro Bowl, which was his first year, which was
two thousand and one, submitted. The first year was two
thousand and one, and he was at the Pro Bowl.
He was at the Pro Bowl as a return of
that year. So that was my really first introduction to him.

(54:23):
And you know, he was always he was always cool.
He was He has been always cool to me. He's
always been respectful, He's always been great. But man, just
watching him play, he angry.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Play like he is. He's literally angry.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Now he'll catch a touchdown and if it means that
after I catch just touched down and celebrate, I got
a whip your ass in the call of the end though,
I'll do that too. If I got if I gotta
fight you at the middle of hey, man, no.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
He that to understand a chat, I don't. I don't
know if y'all know, does the chat know that? Steve
and I played at Santa Monica Junior College.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
In l A.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
We played on the same team.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
So what the people with the world saw once he
got to the NFL, Hell, I saw that in nineteen
ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
In nineteen ninety eight in.

Speaker 5 (55:06):
LA he was the exactly the same way.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
He was a He was a pit bull. He was angry.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Nobody might not have pissed him off, but his style
of play, it was like somebody did something wrong to him,
Like somebody pissed him off.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, and he said, you know he had he's dealing
with some issues. And you know he's gotten counseling, and
he got counseling, got better. But he's a lot better now.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Man. Smitty used to.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Be like like Smitty damn all the time, all the time.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
You want to he's fighting, Hey, listen, he whooping teammates,
he whipping his teammates, he whipping the other team.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
You know who it is.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah, he like sharp, man, don't play with me? Hey
would he say, don't play with him and leave that law.
He mean that. Now, don't let that side fool you.
He gonna everybody be talking. They talk reckless. Now he's
still a he's still on that type of time now, absolutely,

(56:04):
you still on that type of time.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
Hm hmm
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