Giannis Trade Rumors, What's Next For Chris Paul & Wild Jamal Murray Stats

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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(00:40):
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A winter full of Yannis trade rumors is upon us.
That's right, Yannis is reopening the conversation about his future

(01:01):
with the Bucks. Per ESPN. He and his agent are
discussing whether his best fit is to stay in Milwaukee
or a move elsewhere. A resolution to these talks is
expected in the coming weeks here, which will result in
shaping whether Yannis is available, I guess ahead of the
February fifth trade deadline. So here we go. We can

(01:23):
get to Jannis and his injury last night in a
pretty shocking sort of Bucks win without Yannis. But let's
start with the juicy part of this. And this is
this report from Sham's and Windhor saying it as well, like, look,
here we go again, TK with the possibility possibility of
Jannis and his agent asking for a trade possibility.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I think this is a soft launch trade request. Let
the conversation begin during the summer. He's like, I am
locked in for the Bucks, but I might change my mind,
And it feels like he's changing his mind. The team
was really bad when Jannis was out. Came back a
loss to the Wizards, which would send anybody over the edge.
So at this point it does feel like Yannis may

(02:06):
have played his last game for the Bucks. There's a
long time between now and the trade deadline. We still
got two months, but a lot of players become eligible.
On December fifteenth. We saw the injury to Janis last night.
CAF injuries can take a little bit of time to
come back from, depending on what it turns out to be.
So it wouldn't be surprising to me if Yannis stays

(02:28):
on the shelf until he moves to another place. But
it feels a lot like the end of the Damian
Lillard tenure in Portland to me, when it's like, we
know you want to leave, man, you can make a
trade request. And I don't think anybody would be upset
with Giannis at this point. He won a title for
the Bucks, their first one in fifty years. He's given
them a lot of chances to build teams around him,

(02:49):
including not saying anything over the summer when the biggest
move they could poll was bringing in Miles Turner. So
to me, yeah, maybe they're discussing the future. All that
means is Janni's figuring out which team is next for him.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
To me, this is all about Yiannis using all the
power to get a trade to help him in Milwaukee,
right here and right now.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
That's what it is.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
It's going to Milwaukee front office and saying we've got
a draft pick we can trade in thirty one or
thirty two, Go get me some help. Did you see
what happened against the Washington Wizards. We gave up those
offensive rebounds after offensive rebound in the fourth quarter and
giving up those points. I need help right here right now.
To me, it reminds me the end of the Lebron
James run in Cleveland where he forced David Griffrom the

(03:34):
front office trade every pick man, go get George Hill,
go get Rodney Hood they would, and got Dwayne Wade
to help him at the end of his career.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
That's what it reminds me of.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
You already done that though too more here so then
obviously trading Middleton for the Kusma experiment, young Lillard, and
then now waving him getting Meles Turner.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
So they have tried things, they've tried. They could try
me more.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I think is saying try more.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah, absolutely, I think that's what this one is him
and his agent going to the front office and saying
that right now. Then the injury happens, which could be
entirely different because this literally could be a long term
injury we can get into.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
It doesn't look like he's coming today. Yeah, they're saying, basically,
it's not an achilles injury.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, there wasn't the look back. He didn't look back
at his calf forward. Yeah, it would almost look forward
so it looked different, so it didn't look extremely long.
They didn't examine it on the bench, so it doesn't
seem like it's a long one. So to me, this
is we got to give this one more shot. I
said it before the season. I'm going to be here
for the entire season, and then when it comes the
off season, there's a place I want to go. There's

(04:37):
lots of rumors hit maybe it's Atlanta. They could trade
back Milwaukee's picks. Those are all rumors to me. To me,
it is that he wants to be in New York
if this doesn't work out. So it could very well
work out like the end of Lebron in Cleveland in
twenty eighteen, where he just says I'm out, I'm done.
But I think he's sticking around for these next couple months.

(04:57):
Like you said, December fifteenth, I'm putting this down here.
Make a trade here in eleven days. It's also my
birthday on December sixth, Make me a happy man.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
So he's I think.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
I think Alex Latzis and Ganis are saying a happy man.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
I don't think there's many people that are thinking the
way you are with this. I think a lot more
are saying, Johannis came into this season, Hey, I will
assess where we are after twenty games or so. And
that's where we are now. And the assessment is we
maybe suck right and so we know at least we
do not show signs of competing for an Eastern Conference title.
Here right now, they're ten and thirteen, they've lost eight

(05:34):
to ten. You know, they get this win last night again,
that was huge, So they need those type of wins.
But that more people think it's this meeting, this talk
with John Horsse and the Bucks front office is all right.
I said what I said in the summer. We came in,
we got to a hot start. Things look good for
a second, but maybe we're not all that good. And
maybe now explore the possibility of moving me either to

(05:54):
my preferred destination, whether it is still the Knicks in
New York City or another team. I mean, I think
you're very not many people are thinking the way you
are with this one. Tests I gotta.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Say yeah, and from I'm sure other people are thinking
this is the best time to get the most for
Yannis to gumbo right here, right now, because then you
have two playoff runs essentially under this contract, so it
makes sense to trade him now at his youngest, so
you get more back.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I understand that. Yeah, but you look at the Bucks roster.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
How much better did you did Giannis who said I'm
sticking here for this season expect them to be.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Look at that.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
I look each one. He expected more from Ryan Rollins.
He got it. Ryan Rollins is the most improved candidate.
He's a plus five hundred on fan Duellized odds to
win most improved Player. Miles Turner also playing well. I
think those are the two guys who are untradeable with
the Milwaukee Bucks if they're going to go get somebody else.
And then there are some players that they probably don't

(06:52):
want to trade. Aj Green probably don't want to trade him.
Kevin Porter Junior, who's only played four games this season.
He'd just come back for the last three arding to
play a lot better. I assume they don't want to
trade him. Kuzma is playing well, but I think he
is tradeable. Bobby Portis, Jercho Sims, those guys are fine.
I don't know how much better they expected them to be.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
In all honesty, I think he thought they'd be better
than ten and thirteen.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Well, he missed a bunch of those games, and that's
all a big part of it.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Four games and they went on four.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, and k missed a lot of games too, So.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, I mean yeah, but I think again, the point
is we're doing this again, this soft launch. I mean,
this is like soft launch two point oh yeah, being honest,
if you believe.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
All these reports, well yeah, maybe more.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
But he's reported in October that the Knicks were Jannis
Is preferred destination. That's reported by reputable, obviously reporters in
the game. And then we know that the two teams,
the Knicks and the Bucks, they talked in August. Now,
those trade talks fell apart, but they explored the idea
what would it take, Well, would we do it? Okay,
we're gonna wait all that. Uh, And I just think
now we've come to the point with Joannis specifically, like

(08:01):
I'm getting up there. I'm now in curly occurring these
like cast strains and stuff like that. The guy's not dumb.
He knows there's not that many years at peak Yiannis
level here where it's like the thirty thirty, twelve and
eight whatever that he has left to win a try
to try and win another title, and I'm thinking he
doesn't see it in Milwaukee any longer.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
I think he's won one playoff series since the Yeah
Right Champions right Right. Once the Damian Lillard experiment didn't
work out and then Lillard went down with an injury,
it was like they don't really have a lot of
moves to pull. They do have these couple of picks.
They could trade one of them in the future, but
what's one pick going to really get you when you
have to include some sort of money to get any
sort of player back. So for me, it's over and

(08:41):
it's just a matter of Janni's basically deciding where he
wants to go, because that's what Windhorse is reporting. It'll
be Yannis instructing the Bucks where he wants to be
traded in the Bucks trying to make the best possible
deal with that team. So I don't know. I mean,
is it literally just gonna bey hoanness calling his shot?
Kind of is what it feels.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Like, right.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
I think he is saying, right here, right now, trade
a draft pick and get me something or else I'm got.
It is literally Lebron going to David Griffin and saying,
do something. I'm Lebron James. I'm here in Cleveland, and
I think he's playing the same card, which makes sense
because they need help, but.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
They definitely need to help.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
That's like also malpractice to some extent for the Bucks
organization to do that. If he's saying that, hey, trade
another future first round pick, get something to help me.
Right now, we're sitting here going what the hell would
they get that's really going to vault them up the
Eastern Conference standings into the title conversation. Also, there's a
team that's lost one goddamn game this year, Like, good

(09:36):
luck trying to beat them if you even get there.
So I'm just saying, like, what is like, what is it? Yeah,
at a certain point I'd be like, ah, we don't
want to do that, man, We look to explore trade.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
I didn't trade that pick, right, it was the Colin
Sexton pick, right, I don't.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Know, I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, yeah, they went and got a bunch of players.
As I said, even the year before that, in twenty seventeen,
same thing, Lebron did the same thing over and over.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well, well, I'm agreed, but my point is we have
gotten in the trajectory there we're at the end sort of,
because that's what the Bucks have done and tried to
keep them happy, as you should with a superstar of
his caliber. They've made these moves, some work better than others,
but it ultimately hasn't resulted in obviously them winning even
playoff series at this point.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Now, I've let alone competing for a title, and there
was injuries, of course, because that Dames and Yanis is.
So I do wonder what the Bucks are thinking. It
is possible that they say, maybe we gotta sell, if
they're that type of front office to say we have
to sell to make our future better. I totally get
that if that's their thinking. But I do think there's

(10:38):
a loyalty factor here on both sides, both from Yannis,
who I think does want to stick around Milwaukee and
the front office who says, this is our guy. He
brought us our first championship in fifty seasons. It could
be Dirk like to have him just stay around till
the end when they were just a team that lost.
They didn't win a playoff series after the Mavericks championship

(10:58):
in twenty eleven until the end of Dirk's career, so
it could be very similar to that. Again going back
to there's guys that are playing well like Ryan Ron's
again in Miles Turner. Those are the only guys I
think that they don't trade. But the other guys man,
there's something that they want to keep around. But I
think I think that's where they are right here, right
now off season.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Different to me, it's just I'm fascinated to find out
whether Jannis and his agent are going into these meetings
saying I want to go to New York City because
you brought it up. There tk this idea of like
they would try and facilitate that. The Bucks would because
of the relationship with Giannis and how much he's meant
to them as an organization, and yeah, we would maybe
explore it because to me, when you look at what

(11:36):
the Knicks could offer, it's not the best deal because
they basically have no draft capital. I mean, there's a
lot of swaps they could do. There's a lot of
second round picks that you throw in. There's a big
player like Karl Anthony Towns that you probably maybe would
have to include for contract regions. But other teams, if
they want to get into the honest business, like the Spurs,

(11:57):
the Hawks. They are juicier. Ue your trade packages with
young players and picks, but will any of it matter
if you honest is like, uh, don't do that. I
want to go to NYC.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, And that's like, like I said, that's what Wendy
is saying, is I want to go there, figure out
the best possible deal you can and probably not going
to get a player back that's going to be better
than Karl Anthony Towns. Then you could play it out
the rest of the season with him and look to
move him or keep him around. You know, Towns is good.
I guess Ognanobi probably is in that trade as well.
Just to make the money work. They would ask for

(12:29):
all the swaps they can possibly get. Why not. Yeah,
but you know, if you trade Giannis, probably the Milwaukee
pick is going to be the worst one of the two.
With New York, the smartest move for the Bucks would
be to go after Tree Young and the Hawks and
get their pick back so they get a chance at
two top five picks. That's the best like team building move.

(12:49):
If they decide that Yannis leaves, but he has such
status and such stature with the Milwaukee that they'll probably
try and do right by him and him where he
actually wants to go. I would have thought that was
the case with Damian Lillard at the end of Portland
as well, but he ended up where he didn't want
to be. Kawhi Leondard ended up someplace he didn't want

(13:10):
to be. You know, it happens. It'll just be a
matter of if John Horsse decides to be a good
guy and open up the and say, yeah, we'll do
what you want to do, or if he says we're
going to open up to everybody to try and get
the best package. That's the smarter thing to do. But
uh doesn't always play out that way.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Doesn't always play out that way. It doesn't play out
well for a team to go and trade with the
team that the player wants to go to, like Carmelo
Anthony going from Denver to New York didn't work out
so well.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
The Atlanta pick makes the.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Most sense, I do think, for the control of their
own draft pick, getting that back and so we can
be bad. We have our pick, let's do it. And
then there are players for the Hawks including that, no doubt.
I don't know if it's Jalen Johnson.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Well, that's what I would ask you because I think
when you start looking at these potential trade packages from
teams like the Hawks, from teams like the Lakers, if
they want to get in here, like the Spurs, like
I said, maybe even the Rockets, although I think it's
a little more far fetched. Where do they draw the line, Like,
are the Lakers? Are they trading Austin Reeves free Honis
if they could? Yeah? Are the Hawks trading Jyalen Johnson

(14:13):
free Honis? Are the Spurs trading Dylan Harper free Honis?
Are the Rockets trading Alprin sheng Gun free Honess? Just exactly?
I mean, I think a lot of those are No's
just crazy. I mean, you said yes to the Austin Reeves.
I didn't hear yes, this's to the other ones. Jalen Johnson,
Dylan Harper.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Uh Well. I think they had the thing with both
the Hawks and the Spurs is they have other guys
that they would want to put into the frame.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Absolutely the same.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Like I think the Rockets probably would trade Amn Thompson
but not Alprin shengin Okay, I think the Hawks would
trade Tree Young but not Jalen Johnson. Yeah, that kind
of thing so there are matches out there, like the
Bucks can get a good player back, they can get
a good young guy and a good collection of picks.
Janis is a premium player in the NBA, and there
are teams that good that have gigantic war chest that

(15:03):
they can throw into it from a picks and a
talent standpoint. So I mean, at this point, it feels
to me like the smart thing for everybody involved is
for Yanis to be traded for the Bucks included, because
it doesn't feel like they can get back to championship
status right now.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, it's a it's it's one side or the other
for the Milwaukee Bucks.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Be loyal to our guy.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
This is a good year to try it in the
Eastern Conference because of the standings, because we don't know
exactly who's the top of the top. Obviously Okay sees
the top of the top in the West, but in
the East, why can't we do it?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (15:36):
This could be our year. But on the other side,
my man is turning thirty one in two days. He
hasn't been able to stay healthy for a lot of
these playoffs, and so yes, I understand the opposite direction.
And if you're going to pull the trigger and try
and get somebody like a Jalen Johnson, you know, a
really really good young player. The sooner the better. It

(15:58):
sure does make sense that way, But this is it's
a loyal play here. He is Milwaukee. It would be
odd to trade him, period.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
So the nixt deal hypothetically, Karl Anthony Towns, let's say
Miles Bigbride Daddy A and then, like I said, a
bunch of pick swaps you could get up to four
I believe a bunch of second round picks. There's gonna
be some of that capital in there. There is that
Wizard's top eight protected twenty six pick. How does that

(16:27):
sound to you? If if you're the Bucks and remove
the idea of like Giannis is like I want to
go there, I have to go there.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
I would demand Ognnoby. Okay, I wouldn't want the bench
guys that you're talking about. I mean they're fine players,
but og Anoby is a guy you could flip for
a guaranteed first round pick if you wanted to want to.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Another starters basically, right, Okay.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
I'd rather do that than Towns and a bunch of
other Yeah. I mean they're fine, they're like like, I
like Colic, I like McBride. I haven't seen it much
from Pumpkin Pieta, but uh, Pumpkin, I hear you. But
like Towns is a good player to get back, and

(17:06):
I think he still has value around the league. Like
I said, Ogi definitely has value around the league. Throwing
all the swaps just as sweeteners. But you have to
get Og in that deal.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
The Hawks and usually a lot of these deals that
I've seen, Yannis and his brother are coming, which I like.
The Nasties is also coming along with Giannis in these
hypothetical stuff.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Of course he is about an alyx. He's around.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, the Bucks would get if they were dealing with Atlanta. Here,
let's say Trey Young, Zachary resa Chet the twenty six
first round pick by way of the Pels or the
Bucks and a twenty eight first round pick and a
twenty thirty first round pick, So like more draft capital,
especially their own or the chance to have that really
juicy Pelicans pick there. What do you think about that?

(17:50):
Trey Young, Resa Chet and pretty good draft capital. That's
not that bad if you're moving off this.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Yeah, well, the draft capital you could literally get your
own pick back into twenty and twenty seven drafts. Yeah,
they have them both. So the Milwaukee Bucks are looking
at both of those. And if we said Trey and
risa Che basically as the main two parts, Yeah, I'd
want more.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Because you're gonna want Jalen Johnson and the Hawk's gonna
say no to Jalen Johnson. How about Arisa sche I
think that's how this would go.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
I assume, yeah, the Bucks would want more, probably.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
I mean, if who's better Yanis are Jalen Johnson, it's
Jannis for sure. I mean, I don't think the Hawks
obviously would not want to trade Jalen Johnson.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
No, nor should they, honestly no.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
But I mean a Trey Young and Yanis fit is
better than a Jalen Johnson and Yannis fit as well,
I guess.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
But we also saw that already in Damian Lillard and
y honest yeah, I mean it would the Hawks. I
would require a lot of buy in from everybody. That's
why the Bucks should have done it in the summer
when they maybe could have gotten Jalen Johnson before he
took a step forward. But this is clearly the smartest
move that Milwaukee could make. Getting their picks back for
this season and for next season, because if they trade Gianness,

(19:04):
even if it's for Trey Young, the pick is still
going to possibly be a lottery pick, right, and you
get two shots at maybe getting the top five or
this year on another top five, or next year.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Your rebuild is on instantly. Yeah, you're on the upward
swing from bottoming out immediately. I think that would be
the best move that they could possibly make because the
other stuff just it is more exciting for the team
that's getting Honess.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
And the Hawks position is interesting because one player and
Yannis might not necessarily give them a chance at the title,
and their front office is literally buying into younger players
right here, right now and draft picks, and so do
they even do it even though Trey is a likable guy.
Here in Atlanta, looks like they're going to just buy

(19:50):
in on Jalen Johnson more so in the near future.
But Jehanness may not be coming to anywhere but New York.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
I mean those well, that's right, these trades. Sorry, these
teams like the Atlanta the San Antonios of the world,
like if they have an awesome package, and the Bucks like, yeah,
we like that. It's like it's almost a rental potentially
for you, honest, at that point, like a you don't
have a lot of years. If he wants to eventually
go somewhere else, they'd have to convince him, no, this
is a place that you can compete for a title.
All right, talk about the Spurs here quickly. They could

(20:22):
do a couple things, right because they have a lot
of young guys. They have a lot of draft picks,
so they could go by way of the Dylan Harper
of it. All right, that's the juicy, super talented guard
that the Bucks could build around. Devin Masel, Keldon Johnson
could be in there, and then future first round picks.
There's a twenty seven one by way of the Hawks.
There's you know, there's a lot that they could pick

(20:42):
from twenty nine, thirty two and all that stuff, or
you go Castle as the main guy in this potential trade.
Spurs keep Harper, they keep Fox, they keep Wemby and
then they have Gi. Honest, there that's four really good
guys and Castle and then Barnes and Kelly Linnok and
a bunch of draft capital would go back to the Bucks. Yeah,
I guess you have a preference. Who do you want
Dylan Harper If your Milwaukee, of course it's Stephan Castle. Yeah,

(21:05):
that's a that's a juicier deal. But are the Spurs
doing that? Maybe?

Speaker 3 (21:10):
I don't know. It's interesting to think about Joannis and
Wemby is scary and to imagine as a front court.
I will say both guys got hurt this season and
last season, kind of freak injuries for Wemby, but it
accelerates their timeline. It becomes win now when the Spurs
are in Like, it would be nice to win now,
but we're trying to win in two years at this moment.

(21:32):
The thing that's nice for San Antonio, though, is that
they do have picks that they can trade that aren't
their picks. Like they've got a King's pick that's going
to be nice in what twenty thirty one something like that,
I do believe, so they can trade away some of
their future stuff and still keep their stuff. I mean,
it's likely to be picked in the back ten of
the first round, but at least you still have a

(21:53):
first rounder to acquire somebody to go around these two guys.
But if I'm Milwaukee, I would have to get Dylan
Harper back in the trade. That would be like my
shakela just Alexander Piece coming from the Clippers to the
thunder Castle's nice, But Harper seems more like a number
one guy, and I think that that's something they should
be targeting if they're trying to get a young guy.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
Yeah, Dylan Arper is the guy. If Milwaukee's making this deal.
It is interesting what the Spurs are thinking. Are they
just going to say, hey, we're trying to stay young
and see what we got as much as possible.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
But they do have good picks.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
It is the King's pick in thirty one, And from
the Bucks perspective, you don't want Spurs picks the next
five years because you assume they're going to be good.
You know, ideally you want other picks.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
The Warriors, they always come up in any sort of
big game hunting here now for them to make a
move for your honest and their brother is brother Draymond
Green's contract likely would have to be moved. So Green
coaminga buddy healed, and they do have first round picks.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
It ain't happening.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Ain't happening.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
They don't have enough talent wise, Okay.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I mean, yeah, you're like at that point, you're going, Wow,
Kminga's the guy to lead us to the next Promised land.
And then these future like the only good thing about
the Warriors picks would be those picks in the future
might actually be good picks because Korey would be done.
Who knows where Yannis is at that point, Like they're old,
so maybe they'd be very bad during that era. That
would be the only thing. But I'm with you, I

(23:22):
think it's very unlikely. But I had to bring them
up because I've seen him photoshopped into a war Oh yeah,
you have ye.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Warriors have been chasing Janis basically since he signed his
last contract with the Bucks. They thought he could be
the guy. They couldn't wait that long, so they had
to do the Jimmy Butler deal, which hurt some of
their trade packages going forward. I think it's unlikely Golden
State would trade Draymond Green, and I think it's unlikely
that Milwaukee would want him as the centerpiece. If they

(23:49):
really want Kaminga trade one of those picks from twenty
thirty one, you can get him, I think for a
pick like.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
That, right, and then the Lakers they always come up to.
But I mean, yes, unless Austin Reeves was in a deal,
because then that's a little interesting. But like, what else
do they have to really trade? Really, Vanderbilt, your guy Gabe,
Vincent Kleiba, Dalton connect, Like they would have to just
put a bunch of guys together. They have a bunch

(24:16):
of pick swaps, they have a twenty thirty one first
round pick, but not a lot of draft capital. I
think very unlikely too, And the less Austin Reeves is
a part of this, which I don't know. If the
Lakers were with right now, with where they are, would
they say yeah, I think they would, I do yeah,
why not? I think it'd be like, yeah, Luca and Jannis,
yeah we're the Lakers, We'll make it work. But outside

(24:37):
of that, there's not a lot.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
No Austin Reeves would have to be required. I do
think from the Milwaukee box perspective and looking at Yanis
and what he said when Luca was dealt, he did say,
I want Luca to the Lakers, I want Yoka to
the Knicks. I want all the Europeans to go to
the big markets. So it sounds like it sounds like
Yannis wontn't be mad, although that's a long trip from

(25:01):
LA to Greece.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, not to get all personally about that.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
You got to add those four or five hours if
you go.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
West, that's many hours.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
It's already a long flight though it doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
But yeah, what do the Bucks give to Jannis in
terms of what he wants? As trade brought up earlier,
what kind of connection do they have? Is it you
can go to the market you want to go to.
I don't think it's just because it's direct from Greece.
Isn't that what the Kevin O'Connor research was. Directly, there's
direct flights from the New York area to Greece. He's

(25:32):
got to do it. Yeah, it's it's not about that
for Yannis. It's about loyalty and about basketball first. And
I think that's why this early in the season he's
asking the front office, I gave you a championship, make
another trade, do it one more time? And I know
it was literally a couple months ago they traded or

(25:52):
released Dame and were able to go get Miles Turner.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
But one more time, one more time, man, one more time.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I don't think it's about loyalty. Number one with a
bullet anymore for you. Honest, it's about I want to
win another title. He's made that very clear. Yeah, very clear.
He's literally said I want a second championship.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah. I mean, from what can happen here?

Speaker 4 (26:12):
I mean for both perspectives, even from the Bucks perspective.
This guy gave everything to us. There might be a
better trade in Atlanta. Sure, trade them to Atlanta, Trade
him to the dan Forth and the Raptors, who didn't
even get into a Raptors possibility. There could be more
and better picks, especially the Hawks. The Hawks one is
the one, but maybe they're loyal to him.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
In a loaded twenty six draft class, you could it
could happen where you hit like two of those amazing
guys yep, and then you're like, okay, we're off and running,
restarting our franchise.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
So yeah, but but and having like the Dame stretched contract,
it doesn't matter then because two of your top players
would be one rookie deals. Like, it's fun to be
a fan of a team that has young players that
are good as well, Like, that's a good way to
move into a new era is to instantly have guys
that are excited to watch. I think the Laker's got
to be a contender here though, Like they would trade

(27:02):
Austin Reeves for sure. Are you telling me they could
turn Lebron and ad into Luca and yeah within a year,
come on, Yeah, Lebron's almost done and this would be
Yanna's stepping into the veteran role. They would be contenders
right away. It would make their defense better right away.
And people who moved to LA tend to like staying

(27:23):
in LA.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
So on October first, twenty twenty six, Giannis will be
eligible for a four year, two hundred and seventy five
million dollars maxed max contract extension and he'll be able
to sign that same deal with another team six months.
I think it is after the trade if he has moved.
Point is he's going to be signing in theory, another
max to seventy five type deal here. Probably. Maybe I'm

(27:46):
gonna say his last one of his career, like super Max.
Who knows, but he said he's only turning thirty one.
Seems older. It's been around forever.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Yeah, he's only turned thirty one, and somehow the injuries
catch up to him in the postseason. But he does
play a lot of games in the regular season. He
just sits on last year sixty seven, the year before
seventy three, year before sixty three, sixty seven, sixty he
wont sixty three, seventy two, seventy five, eighty. So they
are dropping down, but he is. He's still worthy of
a MAX. Of course, it's honest.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
A comment I read last night stuck with me. It
goes quote, if you told Bucks fans back when they
drafted you, honest that this guy would make the Bucks
relevant for a decade, on the national seede title contenders
for a number of years and bring a championship to Milwaukee,
but the ending could get messy and nasty, maybe a
little contentious, and he would be traded. One hundred percent

(28:36):
of them would be psyched about it. Still, Oh yeah,
you take it right. I mean, like, so, I think
a lot of people like they feel bad for Bucks
fans here, maybe today, over the last couple of weeks
or wherever this goes, and I get that, like he's
your franchise. He won you a title, though, and it's
like this happens more times than not where it doesn't
end like Kobe with the Lakers, or it doesn't end

(28:56):
like Dirk with the Mass where you just get that
entire career. It's just like it doesn't happen a lot.
I mean, I think Steph is going to Golden State.
Who knows still, But the point is they won a championship.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
It worked.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
It worked.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Are bad because they're endings. Yeah, if it was all good,
it wouldn't end.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Michael Jordan played for the Wizards. Oh, if Michael Jordan
can lead the Chicago Bulls because the team decides they're
done winning championships, then Jannis can be traded after winning
a championship. He was awesome. He's the best Buck that's
ever lived, unless you consider Kreem Abdul Jabbar what he
did back in the seventies as well.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
At the same time, the trade for Drew Holiday that
we all were speculative about when it happened. Will this
work for the Milwaukee Bucks many draft picks for Drew Holiday.
At this perspective from the Bucks is we got to pick,
we got lots of money. Maybe we can find somebody
like that to help remedy us in this year of

(29:53):
twenty twenty five when we got a shot at winning
an Eastern Conference. I know It doesn't seem great right now,
but it was a hell of a lot better a
few weeks ago when they were rolling and Yannis was healthy.
They could they could just make that move.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Well, we know how tasks is voting here in this
poll that we have up on YouTube. Do you think
Giannis finishes this season with the Bucks? Task clicked Yes,
I assume people have fifty say no. But I said
this season.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
The injury is somewhat of a factor. If he's out
three months, this team is bad. He may not be
a playoff team.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
So you think it's more likely than he's done.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
I think so, which is weird to say.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
But because you're saying, then the Milwaukee Bucks say, Okay,
we are not winning at all. No matter any move
we make is not going to work because he's out
for a couple months. I don't know. We'll find out
here today. Hopefully it's nothing serious.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
It didn't see mess serious.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Well, let's talk about the game then, briefly, what do
you think of the injury? TK? Again, non contact injury
it seemed to be though then Doc Rivers said, well,
he sort of got bumped before he turned and came back.
But uh yeah, he is a doctor, what do you
think TK?

Speaker 3 (31:08):
I mean, of course it's bad. He wasn't doing anything.
He's just running the same thing happened in the playoffs.
He was just running right underneath the hoop, exact same thing.
So yeah, I don't know how that affects his trade value.
I don't think the team that tradesforum is going to
care that he's heard except for that. Like, he missed
some games. Basically since he started in twenty five, he's
missing fifteen games a season, right, that's just how it is.

(31:29):
He's gonna miss more this year, it turns out. But uh,
anytime a guy just starts running and crumples, it's a disaster,
right Like, it feels bad and then the vampire doctor
Bryan Souder comes out. I never see that guy when
things are going good. I can't know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
I didn't like it.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
He was wearing black and red last night, I'll tell
you that much. But of course I watched it. Yeah,
you're never turning into doctor Brian when people are healthy. No,
only when the soliest is popping and the gas struck.
Watch that gas trock. But he didn't think it was
all that serious. No, And they can do a test
right away to see if it's an achilles. So it's

(32:07):
probably not an Achilles' injury, which you know, that's the
biggest question mark when a guy goes down and starts
looking at his feet.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Yeah, And he started talking about other injuries. It wasn't
so bleak. He started talking about what was he talking about?
I tuned out because I just want to hear about Jennis.
But he started talking about on Gardener. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
because there wasn't much.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
That's usually the look back that you think you've been
kicked when it's your achilles.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Unfortunately, seeing people on the basketball court do that exact
thing like did you just kick me? And you're like, no, oh,
that's not good. But he didn't do that.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
No, he did not do that. And listen, we gotta
we got to learn more about these injuries. So we're
going to have a doctor on Tuesday show. I don't
know if it's Brian Soon or it's a weird pronunciation
suit or it looks like a sutter. Anyway, we're going
to have one to learn more about just the general
NBA injuries overall. But he didn't seem too bleak at all,

(32:59):
just because he is very familiar with every sport and
the look back and this one was fall down, controlling,
be totally supportive of my own weight, walking off the
floor and walking into the locker room.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
No one was caring the dude.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
That's true. And he's also like even the Bucks like
medical team, they weren't like they were just like didn't even.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Look at it.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, they were barely looking at it. He's like just sore,
like I mean, I strained it probably, so hopefully nothing
severe here. We'll find out maybe an hour's after the
MRI to the extreme, but.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
They'll be very careful with them.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Yeah, and it could be like the one in the
postseason that kept him out. It's a week, right, or like, yeah,
maybe I'm wrong it was in.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
The twenty four playoffs.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Did he come back to the twenty four playoffs.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Bounced before then?

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Anyways, it could be a soleius none anyway, it doesn't
seem like it's extremely long.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I think that's why we've completely jiged it now.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
That's possibly. Yeah, it never came back and twenty four.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, and last year he was dealing with I thought
you were freninged last year the twenty five playoffs when
he was dealing with another one he gets injured.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
All right, Anything about the game itself, I mean the
Bucks did. Yeah, Jarko Sims with a monster game, everybody contributing,
especially when Johns left like three minutes into this game.
I don't know if I said that, but yeah, any
thoughts on the game.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
I am always optimistic when I see a guy perform
like Jericho Simms, but even I can't be the oh,
you can't trade that guy.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
That guy is phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Fifteen points fourteen rebounds, both season highs by far, because
Doc Rivers doesn't trust the guy entirely to play a
lot of minutes, but he came in and he had
a huge offensive rebound. I was more impressed with guys
like Adrian Green stepping up and as I said, Kevin
Porter Junior has only played four games this year. The
last three he's been balling. The great thing about Kevin
Porter Junior this season, which I was very bleak on

(34:46):
watching him in the playoffs against the Pacers as their
starting point guard, is that Ryan Rollins is the starting
point guard and he is super good. So KPJ can
play off the ball and just score like he does
when he's the six man and he's really really good.
Ryan Rollins is a super super confident player. Yeah, and
he loves him. He's a really good defensive player. And

(35:07):
kep poor juniors. The last three games is when he
started playing basketball this season, and he's been really really
good last couple So that's the optimistic part and Dot
going zone. I think that kind of helps. It always
helps with this team.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
I was also shocked to see that Kate cutting him
is human. He there that. You know, he's sort of
been coming through in the clutch time and time again
here this season. But that one wasn't even close.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
It was.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
It was so bad that Rollins looked back, okay.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Man two feet that was weird.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
So bucks the last three games, right, Kate has been
pretty cold. I think it's the three games he's been
bad from three from deep.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, I met more. Taking over at the end of
games has been but yeah, that one not so much.
All right, let's pivot to the other big news from yesterday.
We learned a little bit more with Chris Paul and
the Clippers, and then parting ways, talked to Pierre here
on the show yesterday. The news broke early yesterday morning,
and then no one was quite sure what the hell
had happened, right, We're trying to figure it out. Well,
we got a little more info. CP three had not

(36:07):
been on speaking terms with coach Tyler who for several weeks.
That's sort of what led to this decision from Laurence Frank.
We also did learn like why it happened. I guess
at three in the morning, why Chris Paul was on
Instagram sharing like the deuces, I'm out of here. There
was that huge mechanical plane failure which got the team
from Miami into Atlanta super late. That pushed everything back. Eventually,

(36:32):
Lawrence Frank had like a three hour meeting with Chris
Paul and it came to this decision. So the biggest
takeaway from yesterday's reporting though, is just like they just
get tired of this guy, really right, exactly like Tyler
was refusing to meet with Chris Paul. I don't want
to hear it, man. So that's what that's the new
news from this Still weird. It's still bizarre. The whole thing.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Yeah, that he's butting heads with people not surprising. It's
Chris Paul happened many a time, an.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Outspoken leader, stubborn leader.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yes, the fact that Lawrence Frank met with him for
multiple hours and they had this discussion, they both basically
came to an agreement. It sure feels like rather than hey,
we're cutting you get out of here, I just want
to I just flew to Atlanta, why the delays to
meet you face to face? It was beyond that. It
was more like, we don't want to release you, but

(37:27):
there's some sort of crash.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Are you even gonna cut this crap out and stop
complaining about everything? Okay, well we.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Have to let you go then, right, Yeah, And yeah
they had they had to let him go. We've seen
it when he left Houston with James Harden and that
they moved on after the seventeen eight or the nineteen
they traded him to Okay, see after the whole hardened effect.
But it wasn't the first conversation that Lawrence Frank, apparently,

(37:53):
as he told the media, had had with Chris Paul.
They had a conversation other times about the locker room.
And so I don't blame this on TYLERU even Chris
Haynes's report, I don't blame it on Tyler Lou.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Why Why wouldn't Tyler meet with him? Because reports say
Chris Paul requested a meeting with TYLERU a couple of
weeks ago to discuss internal rumors about how he was
a negative presence on the team. It's pretty obvious that
that was being said. It found its way to Chris Paul.
Chris Paul didn't like that we also suck, So I'm
going to keep saying we suck and we should be
playing this way. And then now I want to meet

(38:28):
with you, coach, and he wouldn't even meet with him.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
I'm sure that's what happened. I'm sure Chris Haynes's report
is correct and that he didn't want to meet him.
But I don't know all the details. Maybe they met,
maybe they talked. I don't think Tyler just says, ah,
there's a force field, you cannot come meet me. I
think they've had a conversation before, so I don't I
just don't see all the details, all the factors. Again,
Lawrence Frank meeting with him four hours, not just saying

(38:54):
shake hands goodbye, Chris.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
It wasn't that. It was more than that, but anyway, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Longer conversation. But basically they signed Chris Paul and got
mad that he started acting like Chris Paul right, so
like he's probably right, and Tyler and Lawrence Frank are like,
I don't want to hear it.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Yeah, yeah, we suck. Yeah, you're not helping. If they're
five hundred, this doesn't happen. No, right, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
It's they were garbage and Chris Paul, I'm sure we know,
we know this is not it's not a secret obviously
how grating he maybe could be. And it's like one
thing when you're the point god and you're going out
there and giving us, you know, twenty five and ten
every night. Yeah, we'll take the criticism or we'll take
your guidance and all that. It's probably another thing when
the guy barely plays and when he does play, you know,

(39:37):
can't hit a shot to save his life. Like I
get that where it would be a little annoying. Yeah,
but he is trying in theory to help your team here.
And I think a part of this too is having
like this veteran coaching group too, Like it's TYLERU, it's
Jeffvan Gundy, it's Brian Shaw, it's Larry Drew, it's guys
that have been around the block for a while, and
I think they're like, your your critiques are a grading criticisms, Okay,

(40:03):
like you're just talking and we know we got these injuries,
we're trying this. I think they just obviously they're just
frustrated with them. But it is strange to me that
Tyler doesn't want to meet with like he is Duckingham.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
That is weird.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
That's weird.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, well I'm in it.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
If i'm I would speculate that they had met before
Chris Paul maybe said I got to start or something.
I mean, I'm speculating, but there was probably I would
assume Tyler gave Chris Paul the time to say, this
is what we're doing, Chris, this is how we're going
about it, and then Chris demands a meeting to change
to say what he needs to say to probably change

(40:40):
things in his perspective as a coach. Chris Paul wants
to be a coach. I imagine he probably wants to change things.
And Tyler said, we already talked about that.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I wait, we talked about this before we brought you
back for the farewell tour. Because they sort of made
a clear Remember when they brought Chris Paul back. It's like,
all right, Chris, you're not gonna be starting all eighty
two games like you did for the Spurs.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Here.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
It's gonna be a little different right on saw He
seemed to agree to that.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Yeah, and so that's why I backed Tylo to some degree,
because they did want to make this a farewell tour,
and you're not starting like you did with Wemby last year.
We heard your interview. You're saying you got one more year.
Steve Bummer said, all right, that's good. I'm going to
be speculated about circumventing the salary cap.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
This would be good to have.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
But yeah, it just sucks that they weren't eleven and
ten or something way better, way better than five and sixteen.
Just before this great game that they had yesterday here
in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
They bounced back. They got rid of Chris Paul and
they bounced back.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Lives were good. It was that tweet little teasers tastes
so good, but you don't have somebody in your ear
telling you it's nasty. He's like, look at our team's fun.
Now we can all play. They looked like the Clippers
were supposed to look this year, Seabots was dominant inside
the Magic City. Magic was working for James twenty seven
point start on fire. It was on the fire immediately,

(41:56):
a big shots when it counted. You know, do Jalen
Johnson for the Hawks? Not as much offense, I thought,
And that was more of the problem than the Clippers
playing really well. But the Clippers played great. They wanted
to rub it in Chris Paul's face.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
So is this how Chris Paul's career ends? Or do
you think he will find his way to another team
here and then really end his twenty one year career
with another squad? And if so, what is that team?

Speaker 4 (42:24):
I find it difficult to think that he would end
his career like this. I think somebody will bring him around.
It's a team that needs a voice and needs help.
I don't hate the Minnesota idea, don't hate it. I
know my butt heads with men in that locker room
named Anthony Edwards, Mike Conley to some degree, he can't

(42:48):
buy he can't anger Mike Conley, but the whole hymn anthem.
But at the same time, I bring up the Minnesota
Timberwolves because they just don't look like a contender. In
the Western Conference to the level of few teams, so
that would make sense to me. Are there other ones?

Speaker 2 (43:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
He's never played farther north than Oklahoma City, I guess maybe. No, Yeah,
that's the farthest north he's ever played. He's got to
be in a warm weather city, I.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Guess, so. I mean, he might just want to stay
in La. There is another team, Lakers is a possibility
if they have an open roster spot, but I don't
think they're allowed to sign him, or they can't sign
a fifteens player until January, so they'd have to be like, yeah, Chris,
chill out for a little bit and then maybe we'll
bring you in. Also, we might try and trade for you. Honest,
we might have to ship out like four or five guys.
We might have some So anyway, Lakers makes the most sense,

(43:36):
just because he probably doesn't want to leave La.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
I'm guessing that was part about going back to the
Yah his family.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
Yeah, he says he hasn't had his kids be with
him for six years and this was awesome. Now it'd
suck to leave him again to go somewhere further north
than Oklahoma City or whatever.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, Orlando like, I don't know how much he helps,
but yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Right, it doesn't hurt.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, you know who really honestly, he's this is never
gonna happen. Well, I don't know. Maybe he really takes
the coaching thing seriously. The Wizards should get Chris Paul.
Bub Carrington needs Chris Paul. I would like to see
that for his career, and that would be if he
ever did that, that would be a Chris Paul like,
I am going into coaching. I'll do this again. I'll

(44:21):
try and get another young guy back on track here,
but very unlikely. I think he will be on the Lakers,
is my guess. If it's basically Lebron wants.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
It, but he's buddies with him.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
But he might be one of those buddies that, like,
I like seeing this guy every once in a while,
you know, I don't want to hang out with him
all the time.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
It's from a long time for Mellow to get to
LA when everybody they're going to join up right away.
It did.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Well, he can't sign there until January. Yeah, yeah, just
make up another rule. We can't sign until February.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
How about that? Make up another CBA rules so you
can push.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
You just say, Okay, we'll sign you, but just come
around once a week. Don't come on road games. Yeah,
just stay home. You want to be closer family, make
that agreement.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
And it's hard to say how much he did for
the Spurs last year because the Spurs are the Spurs
and they have this great organization. But you look at
everybody in the way they're performing right now. You mentioned
Bob Carrington as a young guy. He could you know,
put his arm around Stefan Castle. Looks freaking awesome. They
look developed and playing you know, within their skill sets.
So yeah, you could be a young team that does it.

(45:27):
I don't know how much he wants to go to
freaking Washington.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
I am looking at from what I've seen, I don't
see him really helping any team on the court. This
is to me just maybe to either get a ring,
to maybe end his career with that sort of nice
button or the idea of helping and coaching and like
he's done in okay See, I mean Shaye talking. I
know okay See has come up. They're like, can they

(45:52):
somehow get them back there and try and win them
a ring.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
He was an All Star.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
He left James Harden became an All Star again with Okay,
see he had a good.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Year Houston Rockets. Yeah, teach read Shepherd. Yeah, here's how
it is to be a little guy out.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
There, oh, in a locker room with a bunch of
guys that he could butt heads with but are already
button heads. Now you know, I'm imagine some of that's
happened with me. Yeah, budding heads in a good way,
like it a docus button heads with people. Yeah, but anyway, but.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Head's in a good way. It's like, yeah, I know
what you mean by that.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Yeah, it's a positive, Hey, let's get this done type
of thing. Chris paul I could see that, you know.
Is it the oh four type pistons again? Uh, like
that type of a hole with with Chet and Ben
Wallace and that type of guy.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, Rocket's not bad.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Well you said it hard and score twenty seven. They
ended their five game skid. The Hawks were brutal. They
had no jel and Johnson, They have no tray on.
They don't have much chance of like creating any advantages
without either of those guys. It was I think Hollinger
said it that Atlanta made a tremendous All Star case
for Jael and Johnson last night playing and the way

(47:00):
they looked. They shot like thirty eight percent from the
floor in the first half. They had a lot of turnovers.
It was sloppy. But Holinger also was at the game
and he showed us those out cast dolls because we
were like, what are these things? What are they? Are
they bobbleheads or are they plushies or are they like
little figurines? And there they are cute. Those are tasks.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah, those look like a crochet knit.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
They do look like that.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
What are they plastic?

Speaker 1 (47:24):
But I think they're plastic plastic, Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
I look at the bod looks like your crochet and
you look at those feet, they look plasticky.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, I think it's just made to look like a
crochet doll. But I think they do look sort of cool.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
No wonder, it's so confusing you know what they are
because it's both something. Yeah, they do look cool. Yeah,
three would never wear that though. Yeah, you're right, that
looks like a big boy outfit. You're right, but uh,
andre would be a lot funky from the head to
the toe. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, they look good, just like the Clippers did last night.
And you were right, no, Jen Johnson.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
But the fact that they win a game where they
shot ten of thirty one from three. It's not like
they bombed away and had a great game. And Kawhi
was seven of twenty one great vibes with James Harden drive,
kick and pass, it looked like a different team out there,
twenty nine assists on forty four shots. I heard Kobe Sanders,
a young player, say that we had a great talk

(48:18):
before the game in the locker room. He told the
Clippers radio guy, play by play man Carlo Simenez this,
He said, we had it came together, so one game great.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Vive's around the Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Day anthing change.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Yeah, for sure, they were allowed to play music. We
are running along here. But let's get to a big performance.
Last night. We have to talk about Jamal Murray scoring
a season high fifty two points as the Nuggets held
off the Pacers. This is two nights after he sprained
his right ankle. I think he was like a game

(48:55):
time decision whether he was going to go in this one.
But Jamal, Jamal Murray delay one of the NBA's most
efficient performances ever. Not of the season ever, he made
nineteen to twenty five shots. He was ten of eleven
from deep, and yeah, the true shooting percentage when you
crunch the numbers, Keats had it ninety six percent true

(49:17):
shooting percentage last night. Jamal Murray now owns two of
the six most efficient fifty point games in NBA history
because he had a fifty burger where he shot one
hundred true shooting percentage back in twenty twenty one. So
an incredible game from Jamal Murray.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Incredible game from Jamal Murray. And I actually thought it
was going to be yokish that was going for fifty
with the way the Pacers were playing him to start
this game. They're saying, Jay Huff, see what you can
do one on one, and the answer was not very much.
So bought a couple of easy buckets for jokitch and
then the Pacers are like, okay, we gotta change something up.
They started doubling them, which opened up everybody else on
the floor. Murray most of all, fifty two points, and

(49:56):
it just felt like every time the ball was leaving
his fingers it was going to be a pure, pure So.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, only one hit the front rim and bounced in. Yeah,
it was like the only one.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Pretty nice. And when he starts rolling, he's a great
heat check guy. He's ready to get the next shot up,
and it went in all the time. Last night, Yokic
finished with twenty three and thirteen assists. Five of those
assists were to Jamal Murray and I was deep in
the data. Five screen assists for Yokic as well. I
wonder if he ever gets a screen assist and a

(50:24):
real assist on the same play with the dribble hands,
because that happens all the time. But the two man
game between these two, that's like the pinnacle of it.
Seventy three points or seventy five points combined from the
two of them pretty good.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Yeah, it's awesome because, as you said, game time decision
because he was hurt the previous game, and then to
see him come out there, it looked like it was
the Yokich night because he had Huff huffin. He was
just going by Huff and Jamal Murray. As you said,
he got that front roll on that one to three,
that's when he started blowing his hand. That was the
heat check, right literally, the heat check. My hand is
on fire and the true shooting perc Engine this game

(51:01):
and overall his career, this is the most efficient season
at sixty three point four percent true shooting. He looks
like a great player, nearly twenty five points per game.
This is definitely his first All Star appearance. If he
keeps this sucks and his shots have hit a career
in high in terms of shots per game. And to
see him a career high with ten threes, awesome season

(51:22):
for him.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Uh guffrin, Allie, I don't know if I'm saying that correctly.
On Substack asked who has the most fifty point games
all time without ever being an All Star? So I
looked it up. It is now Jamal Murray by himself.
He's done it five times in his career if we
count the playoffs. He will probably make an All Star
Game this season, I think, rightfully. So. The only other

(51:43):
guy to do it four times and not make an
All Star game Jamal Crawford bingo four different teams. That's
exactly right.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Nice one.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Got some more stats for you here, This one from Statitudes.
Jamal Murray matched the highest three point field goal percentage
in NBA history by a player to make at least
ten threes in a game shares the record here of
ninety point nine percent from deep on at least ten
made threes in a game. Can you name the other
four guys? One guy did it this year.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Aaron Gordon.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Aaron Gordon did it in early October or at the
start of the season.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
I should say one. Is that game one?

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Maybe game one?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I think October twenty third. That sounds like one three. Yeah,
I guess it could have been SI game anyway, he's
one of them. Can you give me the other three names? One?

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Say it again? Fifty?

Speaker 1 (52:30):
No, No, I'm looking for shooting basically ninety one percent
from deep when you hit ten Threesla clay is one
twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Nice this guy think Curry is there?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Actually?

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Nope? Nope, we got a we got a white guy
that still plays in the league now, Nope. He's sort
of like a corver though. This guy, he's a worse
corver in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Oh a disc, you're gonna diss this guy.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
This guy's definitely a worst ques.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
No. No, he's older than aj Green.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Trying to think of some old Kyles, My old Kyle's
Duncan Robinson.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
No, Oh, smaller smaller version of Duncan rounds. It sounds
like a duck. Luke Canard, there you go. I was
going to get there. I was sure, did it? And
then I think I mentioned this guy's name.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
I did.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Well. We talked Danilo Gallinario yesterday show. I mentioned this guy.
What did he play with the Denver with Gallinari? Yes,
he did, and I said it. I said, oh, he
got injured to that year that Gallinari tore his a
c O. It's weird.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
This guy went.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
On. I think I remember podcasting with you twenty eleven.
He did it. It was at the end of the year.
So there you go. Jamal Murray, Ty Lawson, Klay Thompson,
Luke Canard, the Duck himself, and Aaron Gordon guys to
hit at least ten threes in the game and have
a very high three point percentage. Also one more because
this is fun. He's the third different player Murray is

(54:04):
to score a fifty point game for the Nuggets this season.
You got Aaron Gordon, you got Yo Kich and now
you got Jamal Murray. Only two other teams in NBA
history have had three such guys in a single season.
Do it The sixty one sixty two Lakers. Oh yeah, yeah,
for sure, you'll never name the third guy on that
team to do it, because you got Elgin Baylor, you
got Jerry West, and you'll never ever ever name Rudy

(54:27):
LaRusso what name? And then this one's not a shock.
The eighteen nineteen Golden State Warriors Clay Steph and Kevin Durant.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
That's a good team, A pretty good team. Didn't win
the championship though, I remember.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
That, that's right.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Murray though, was in such a groove. Did you see
this during this game? Such a groove. He's signing autographs
mid game. What there's like somebody that I think in
a Nuggets jersey on the baseline and it just goes
over signed something for them. Well, the game's not like
while play was happening, but like a dead ball situation. Yeah,
that's when you know your f I always feeling it. Yeah.

(55:01):
The other game of note last night because it ended
in style, Luke Cornett blocking Franz Wagner's last second sort
of little layup hook shot attempt as the Spurs hold
off the Magic one fourteen one twelve TK. Luke Cornet
the opposite of Chris Paul all good vibes. He's only
good vibes. This guy's got great vibes everywhere he goes.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Since moving into the starting lineup with Victor Wembanyama's injury,
the Spurs are seven and two. So I know what
you're thinking. Are the Spurs better without Victor? Is it
time to move on from Victor Wembanyama. I don't think so.
But some nice wins for the Spurs during this downtime.
They beat the Magic last night. They also got to
win against Nuggets, got to win against the Hawks. They
beat some lesser teams as well. But they're looking good

(55:46):
and Cornet is just a nice fill in piece for vic.
I thought the four assists were pretty good from the
cornet as well, making plays out of the short role.
Darren Fox has also been really great since when Banyama
went down twenty seven a game, six assists, forty nine
from the field, forty from three, hitting a lot of
big shots, including in this one. So anytime the Spurs
are winning without their number one guy, I'm impressed. And

(56:07):
they've done it pretty regularly and against good competition.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Excited to see Stefan Castle and Wemby come back they're
on a road trip. There was some talk, some rumors
that maybe that both those guys will be on this
road trip and be able to play against the Los
Angeles Lakers in the NBA Cup quarter final next week.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
That's still not still a week away, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Yeah, yeah, six days away, it's still a possibility. Mitch Johnson,
the guy's going to get some Coach of the Year votes.
Was asked about it. He played it off. He said, Luckily, I.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Don't have to deal with that. They just automatically.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Cornet, baby, you think I need to worry about that?

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
The French Horn, Wemby and Louke Cornett, the combination we like.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
It's easy to have fun with Louke Cornette. It was
a hell of a block.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, that's a great block.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Thunderscoring. I mean he's right there. Yeah, it was a
nice play call. Yeah, got him a shot. There was
a good look. It was a hell of a play call,
right because it was a backpit and all that, and
uh he came like Luke Whnick came screaming from the
three point line, like great awareness of obviously time and
all that. I could leave this guy. It's not going
back to my guy and just like and then didn't
hit him as he went flying by, and then he

(57:13):
dropped like a usine bolt like as he streamed.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Yeah, he had that smile going for like eight seconds.
She so funny.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Yeah, the Spur is absolutely cooking now. Dylan Harper, as
we talked about Esshtrom, just watched his pace of play.
Just how slow and comfortable he looks while obviously being
super fast. Looks awesome. And we didn't talk about Carter Bryant.
That's how good this team is. They're so deep, guys
like Carter Bryant, who's going to be their their wing defender.
He got into it a little bit with Wendell Carter

(57:46):
in this game. That's how confident this team is. And
that's why this team is scary. In the Western Conference
song as Wemby in the Castle come Back, especially Wemby.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Obviously, Yeah, there was some uh I was gonna call
him controversial, but they really weren't awls at the end
of this game. One resulted in free throws for the
Spurs to sort of get them or no the other
way around, for the Magic to get back in the game.
Franz Vagner hit all three three of his free throws,
and then on the other end, it was Darren Fox
sort of in isolation and he sort of fumbles the

(58:16):
ball and then so Jonathan Isaac comes over and is
trying to prevent obviously an easy shot attempt from Fox,
but he like puts his arm in there because I
think because the ball sort of got like loose from
Fox for a second, he thought he might be able
to go for it. But then anyway his arm got
caught in on Fox and that resulted in free throws.
He hit those two, and then we got to that
game saving block, but I thought it was it was

(58:39):
a foul.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
I thought. So it was a lot lot of chest,
a lot of chest going on there from Jonathan Isaac.
I did like the little boosty though that the magic
got from Jace Richardson eight points, five rebounds to assist.
He's had a couple of nice games in a row
coming off the bench for them, giving us some athleticism.
But he looks tiny. It's crazy that he's Jason Richardson's son. Yeah,
he looks a big dude, quite slight, and Jason Richardson

(58:59):
was like a a muscle dunker.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Yeah, it's a.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Character that doesn't exist in the NBA right now. Just
like a stronger, real strong girl, Yeah, with like jacked muscles.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Yeah, who would be like the closest to that, Like
even the Edwards is, yes, pretty jack, he is like
not to that level.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Yeah as a guard.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Yeah, does mean bane sort of? Maybe because his arms
are mules for sure?

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Do you think Franz Wagner should have not collected himself
and just sort of value and threw it up there?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I know we could say that now because a second
and a half I think it was. I mean, it's
probably he probably had to. I kept watching it. That
is it your mistake? Was it your?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
But Champari did a good job to stay in the
play even though he was beat Like, he kept hustling
enough that Wagner had to pivot with gave Cornette enough
time to make a good play.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Great play.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
And then just there was other games last night, but
we've gone way too long. But the MAVs beat the
Heat like a Porter junior, big game against your bulls.
That's a tough loss for them. The Knicks did great.
They beat the hornets of the the Blazers really good
win over the Calves. That's another eye opening loss for Cleveland.
They had Mitchell, they had Mobiley bad Garland, and then
the Rockets crushed the Kings. So we'll have to leave

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I've been tuning in since twenty thirteen, and every year
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when everyone's tipping it down here, he's got faith of

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at least a five hundred year and it made me
think even a broken even a broken clock is right
twice a day. When's a time when you've been when
you've been stuck to your guns with an opinion, been
wrong several times, but eventually it's come back around to
being right again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Rohan, I think you're wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
I think you look back in twenty twenty two, the
Raptors had been over on their over under total total
in ten of the previous eleven years. So I ain't
no broken clock. I'm just right all the time. I
hope I was right. I hope I picked him. I
didn't go back and check. Although, listen, I've been wrong,
and since twenty twenty two, I made a couple overpicks,

(01:02:49):
that's for sure. But this year it's paying off, Rohan.
This year it is correct. So anyway, thanks for the
thanks for the email.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
That's all I got.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Do you have an answer my Jimmy Butler Paul George
take aged beautifully. I think when I was saying Jimmy
Butler was better than Paul George, Paul George is probably
actually better. Back then, he certainly had a higher profile
as the Derreck Rose injury kind of took the Bowls
out of any sort of contention in the Eastern Conference,
the Pacers ascended. Paul George was an MVP candidate when

(01:03:19):
he went to the Thunder, and you know, people had
high hopes for him when he went to the Clippers.
But once Jimmy Butler got to Miami, basically the Tides
completely turned. Took them to the finals two times. And
I think at this point people would agree with me
Jimmy Butler over Paul George.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Mine's pretty obvious answer. You probably know where I'm going.
In twenty twenty, I told Tray Kirby specifically all Star
Season from Shake GUILDEOS Alexander Loading. Unfortunately, no, he didn't
play a lot that season. Twenty twenty one, I told
Trey Kirby all Star Season from Shake Guildeus Alexander Loading. No, Nope,
getting closer though, putting up some points. He was in

(01:03:57):
the consideration. And then twenty twenty two three I said
it once again and he became an All Star. He
became a first team All NBA player, He became a
top five MVP candidate and then would be a runner
up to m v P and then eventual winner. So
you know, I was on the SGA train pretty early.
You were, and I was saying this guy something. He's
from the hammer and the hammer it's different. There's a

(01:04:20):
big hill you gotta go up and down.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
So he has such good fitness.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
You also just loved Kentucky guards.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
I do love my Kentucky guarts, my Jamal Murray's, my
Tyres Maxis, Devin Buck. I do. There's a lot of them.
Your hero not so much, Darren Fox. Thank you. Yeah,
I don't know why I never really fell in love
with hero plays a little differently. What's that I'm racist?
I guess that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Here's something I'm wondering if I'll ever be right about again.
I like mock turtlenecks. You know, I get not a
full fold over turtleneck, but the one that just goes
a little bit up, maybe covers that out. I've been
in on mock turtle neck since the nineteen nineties. For
a long time, it was only me, my dad and
Stan Band Gundy. I don't even think stand band Gundy
is still. But I wonder if it'll ever turn to

(01:05:17):
where people agree because it's been a it's been a
tough twenty years.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
It's fashion, man, It's it'll be back. It's been a while. Yeeah,
I think it would have been back by now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think somebody saw you in one earlier
this season right there, and I to wear I'm mock,
what is that?

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Listen you you wearing the new balanced shoes that have
literally have come back in terms of fashion. I can't
get behind it. You know these? Yeah, these shoes that
everybody's wearing. But I used to I used to sell
these shoes. They looked exactly exactly. The were geeks, old people, yes,
middle aged people, and the majority of them get on

(01:05:59):
a knee and lace it for them. Why are you
buying this thing now?

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
The six eight was a solid shoe. Anyways, there's some
there's some solid ones out there, but they've come around.
And I'm thinking about wearing basketball shoes because the new
Bounce ones looked that good. Like every it seems like
they've they started to expand. It's not just a Jamal
Murray Brown shoe. It's, uh, everybody's wearing The've got some
good looking shoes for ye next one. Hey, no ducks.

(01:06:24):
When tastradamis will Thiago Splitter into a head coaching role,
Splitter joined a select company of NBA players whose most
famous moments were on the wrong end of a highlight.
Toront Lu got stepped over by Iverson and Splitter got
rejected by Lebron, both in the NBA Finals. What other
NBA coaches past or present have most famously been on

(01:06:44):
the wrong end of a highlight? Burn up love some
fries all done. That is from Unadvanced Analytics.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
It's their name.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Yeah, yeah, longtime fank you go on this one. You
got anything? Because I have like a something a little different.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
I had a hard time finding a current coach like
maybe there's some Jason Kidd highlights or low lights, yeah there,
but for him, like the biggest low light I think
of is his coaching career when he did the hey
bump into me something. Yeah, that was pretty ridiculous. So
I got a flashback to the nineties Rudy tom Janovic.
The only real highlight you ever saw Rudy tom Janovich

(01:07:23):
was being on the wrong side of vicious punch from
Kermit Washington, And it's like, that's all I knew about
Rudy Janovic as a player, and then was obviously a
really good coach for the Houston Rockets. A couple of
titles but if they ever showed anything from his playing
career was like a tragic, scary movement.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
It's a good one. Did we uh, did we ever
see footage of Steve Kerr getting popped by Michael Jordan
in practice or talked about? Because you just reminded me
of Steve. This could be an option here, But yeah,
I didn't think we saw that footage. Yeah, I couldn't.
I was struggling with this one. Yeah, I have a
whole other story sort of, but do you have any well?

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Yeah, flying through.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Is this different in that it was a it was
a highlight as a coach when he got into it
with Lebron James, and it was transcribed by a Twitter
account called Legends when he got into that fight and Odoka,
you know, apparently allegedly looked like you said, stop crying
like bitches, man, soft ass boy, stop bitching acting like

(01:08:25):
you're going to do something. I think is more known
for that than an incredible head coaching career so far.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
But you couldn't. Couldn't arth Udoka highlight where he got
crossed up or something like that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
No, I have member the Sam Cassell doing big balls.
He's assistant coach now, I mean that's Is it a
bad thing that he did the big balls? No legend
or Chauncey Phillips is currently a head coach. He's known
for something far worse off the court. Ye, now, allegedly
it's an a leegend crime. Yeah, but that's all I got.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Here's my sort of like story off of this question.
So I'm watching the New York broadcasts of Raps Nicks
earlier this week. Right, I love me some Mike Breen
and Clyde Fraser. Sometimes I just default to the home team.
I say that because usually I'm a Devlin guy. Although
I will say it was hilarious watching the Knicks broadcast
because Devlin is right beside him. You could hear Devlin

(01:09:19):
on the call for the Knicks broadcast. Wow, it was
like bleeding through Like Scotty Barnes kept taking threes and
he was hitting them during that stretch. I brought it
up on the show. I can hear someone yell Scottie Scotty.
I'm like, wow, there's like a diehard Raps fan like
sitting like right there. And then a little bit later
you could hear devilin like actually Devlin's voice saying whatever

(01:09:39):
it was about the game. I was doblin the whole time,
and then I was like looking at like, oh, he's
right beside him, and Devil's got a loud voice. It
projects anyway, I'm watching that game. I'm watching the Knicks broadcast.
There's a sequence where Mitchell Robinson was dribbling up top
near the three point line, like actually dribbling, and Mike
Breen he noted, Wow, that's more like ball handling from

(01:10:02):
Mitchell Robinson in these last two possessions than we've seen
like in weeks. I thought it was pretty funny, which
triggered a funny Clyde story about when he played Nick's coach,
Red Holzman would tell Phil Jackson, here's the whole point
of this. Now, don't dribble the ball, just give it
to Clyde. So this is what the legendary Red would
say to Phil Jackson when he played for the Knicks.

(01:10:24):
So Jackson says to Red, well, what if Clyde is covered,
and Red says, well, just throw it in the stands.
I don't want you to dribble. So I guess Phil
Jackson maybe with you know, he was out there for
defensive purposes, but not out there for dribbling.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Yeah, it's great to tune into the other broadcast because
I was just reminded of this the other day because
I don't. I just was lazy. Okay, this game's on,
but this is a stat. This is stat geek dumb
right here. The other day, I said, Danny Avdia started
his career with the second most thirty point triple doubles
in NBA history. And I was our friend seb apparently

(01:11:02):
it's this guy. I'm listening to the Blazers broadcast and
it's this guy. So I said, whoa, let me go
over there, and I heard who it was, and I did.
I checked the stats. I think it looks like they're
tied with four. It's forty points. Yeah, they tied. It's
pistol Pe pistol pte. Yeah, I'm surprised by that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Never guess that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
No, No, but he had four. You'd think it's Oscar,
but he only scored Oscar. Butson only scored twenty plus
and his triple levels to start.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
So anyway, cool story, bro. The other broadcasts are fun.
That's all a lot of variety.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Oh yeah, time for one more? Why not? I have
some urgent news this one starts. I just found a
Michael Jordan playoff game Wugie yesterday. I wanted to watch
some random old games to compare the pacin style to today's
play so on YouTube, I just typed Chicago Bulls nineteen
ninety two playoffs and I found game six of the
Eastern Conference Series Bowls versus Nicks, and I just started watching.

(01:11:54):
And then halfway through the first quarter, MJ posted up
Gerald Wilkins and shot a turnaround fade away boom, a weggie.
Just a thing of beauty I had to share with
you guys immediately. Interestingly, the broadcast refers to the weggie
as an incident, which already had happened during the ninety
two playoffs. So I will start the search for that

(01:12:15):
weggie and I will let you know asam. Keep up
the great work that is from Marvin, and Marvin shared
the clip. We have the clip, JD. You can roll
that because I know there's a bit of a build
up to MJ finally getting it on the block versus
Gerald Woodmen. But you'll see it here. Here we go
MJ in a spot backing them up a little shimmy

(01:12:35):
turn around. Yeah, that's a nice Weggie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
That's the best player we've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Have a Weggie stuck indeed, Yeah, this nostalgia comes back.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
You see ninety two NBA playoffs on the floor. That
was a great clip.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I was wondering. I'm like, was a young twelve year
old Skeets watching that game? And what did he do
when he saw that? I can't remember. Maybe I wasn't.
Maybe I wasn't. I don't know if that was a
day game or night game. It was the day game.
It was more likely always watching it than that game.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
But we can find Greatggie what time? What you can
find out the time?

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Do you remember before you got in here this morning,
we were talking about the time we were on a
stream yard. I don't know if it was during the
COVID years, but Lee had like a hookup somebody he
knew was like feeding him all these like historic wedgies
like from the nineties and stuff like do you remember that?
Like he was like he was like teasing us with
them and he was like sprinkling them in. Yeah, JD,

(01:13:32):
you you confirmed that wasn't crazy, right. We definitely watched them. Yeah,
I'm kind of I know who it is. I don't
know for source.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
Yes, we all know of the source, but I can't
remember if we're allowed to say why. NBA TV Canada
said much.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Said too much, we were doing this.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
No, but well I remember that person sending some in. Yeah,
but no, I don't remember the least giving us his source.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
It was very cagy about it. Yeah, I have secrets.
Oh that's why secret source we have. He was totally glad.
That guy was totally fine. We're letting people know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Yeah, I thought so.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
I guess it was just hoarding. Shout out to Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Yes, oops, oop, Jakie boy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Here's his home address and phone number if you want
to call it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Lit Bye, Little Bye of the Night, unsullied by sponsorship
since November. This one was easy. I started working on
the graphic last night before I went to bed, and
it helps. We got all these early games too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Yes, I like that. I like that a lot like that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Jamal Murray gets your woe boy the night season high
fifty two points. You noted there, and I said season high.
This guy does have a fifty five point game under
his belt. He shot nineteen twenty five from the field,
ten of eleven from deep. As we talked about six
sports forsis one steal in only thirty six minutes too. Man,
go watch the highlights. When Jamal Murray's cooking, it's fun

(01:15:04):
because he's going left.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
He's going left. Yeah, sometimes he's going to the rim.
But a lot of times he's stepping back.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
He's stepping back and splashing. So great game from him. Uh,
you're right, tass. I picked tonight's game. I wanted a
weird one. I wanted to get funky tonight jazz nets
Utah favored by three and a half at the time
I saw it. I think it has moved to four
and a half, but we'll go with three and a half.
H what is everybody taken?

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
It's also a great pick because we had this debate
here at the desk Lowry Markinen or Michael Porter Junior.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Oh God, a.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Curious Mark versus curious Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
It's exciting that that's why you, as a Mike supporter,
Trey have got then that's yep.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
I love I love everything Michael Porter Jr. Is about.
I agree with all of his opinions I've seen. I mean,
I've seen like the last three Nets games Live. I'm
too devoted to the nets right now. So I'll give
you some Danny Wolfe action.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
Oh yeah, Michael Poor Junior called out Danny Wolfer.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
He called out everybody postgame yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
I don't know if you saw his interview, but he
was given love to all the guys around. He's getting
love to Noah Clowney and how much he grew. Ben
Saroff came off and helped us out. A goor Agor
helped us out, and the proper pronunciation of surprised with
that Danny wolf.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Drake just calls Drake Powell Drake.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
And then he said, he said, Okay, I'm saying everybody.
I think this is what internally he said, Okay, I'm
saying everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Now I got to see.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
Another guy because it's like, oh yeah, whom He literally said,
who am I forgetting? Noelan Trore, who isn't with the
team right now? He literally said, oh yeah, I think
he's in the G League right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
He just liked, I'm gonna name everybody. He's bald, learned
to be a leader.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
I guess yeah, looking crazy with that go tee, I
guess it's a code. He's like evil looking go to
you very Yeah, it does work, all right, so Tassin,
I need the Jazz to win by four points. From more,
Tray's got some points to play with. With Brooklyn at home,
you can't looking for his first win here of December.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
To pick up a battle, might have to get a
Michael Porter Junior.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
We haven't decided yet on the payoffs, so you still
have time if you have suggestions. So let's know, not
the greatest games on tonight. For being honest, Warrior sixers,
Okay maybe, but I mean Curry is not playing Celtics, Wizards, Jazz, Nets, Wolves, Pelicans.
They just had a great game. They had a very
entertaining overtime game. Lakers Raptors.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Yeah, that's a good game.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
No Luca though, No Luca. Yeah, I thought about going
with it, but then I was like, I'm gonna I'm
gonna take the Raptors.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
What's what's Luca doing intentionally having another child?

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Oh yeah, so positive reasons his wife. So anyway, we
will maybe talk about those games tonight. We'll see how
they go down. But we'll have some fun on tomorrow's
drop podcast. So you'll have to join us at ten
am Eastern if you're a Survivor fan. We'll be talking
about episode eleven at one pm Eastern with Nora here

(01:18:04):
in the studio. So come join us over at No Buffs.
It's on YouTube feeds, on podcast feed. We'll break it
all down. So that's later today tomorrow the drop. All right,
Well that was fun. I like talking trades, talking Chris Paul,
getting in a little game talk, hitting the beach, did
a little bit of everything. Get Worst of the Week nominees.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Tomorrow we got to with that batch of games.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Yeah, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Mean one that Tyler Hero One's pretty funny. I'll leave
it at that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
It's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Show you tomorrow we'll break them all down, Worst of
the Week nominees and a whole lot more. Until then,
Clipper bros. You heard it here first.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Have a great time, turn up. Love you guys, awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
And remember Basketball Reference is great for looking at individual
game stats info. I thought I would know if I
just went to Game two of the Bulls Knicks in
Round two of the playoffs, Game six, that's what he said.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Oh, it's my mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Game six is the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
Okay, let me check, but it's not going to tell
me anyways, sorry, game, that's all right, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
They don't say that. They don't say it was played.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Yeah, two hours and eighteen is how long. Two hours
eighteen minutes is how long it took to play. It's
a quick game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Back then, they have the game length there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
I'm surprised they don't have the time. I feel like
they do have time for new games.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Yeah, they didn't back then. Yeah, it's not around. You know,
the Knicks had a fifteen point quarter there in Game six.
The Bulls had a sixteen point to end the game.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Game six could be on in the season very well,
could be, because you know they like to get those
sixes and sevens on a weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
May fourteenth, nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Okay, look at it. Wait wait wait, I mean now
we're looking up two different things because I was wondering
if it was a dig in. My it's on the weekend.
I bet it's a dig in, right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Yeah, so we just need to come on internet, don't
I mean just telling me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
It's a Saturday, tell me a Stursday.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
It's a nid Yeah. Okay, so young skids didn't see that.
I'm telling you, they stay a blake. I probably didn't
see it. I'm just like wondering we would have had it.
I guess NBC, Yeah, I guess it would have.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Been on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Broadcast exposures. We're getting broadcast coverage for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Embrace the day, people race the time.

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