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Tony and Tobie kick things off by letting you into their world; from their similarities and differences to the story of how they first met at Dennis Rodman’s bar… while Tobie had a boyfriend. They also pay tribute to Dolly Parton, reflecting on her decades-long marriage to Carl Dean and how the couple managed to balance love, independence and life in the spotlight. Tony and Tobie explore whether being opposites can actually make a relationship stronger, and get surprisingly candid about what happens when “till death do us part” becomes a reality. Finally, they break down their own “rules” of marriage, the boundaries and habits that have worked for them, and what they believe has helped their relationship last more than 20 years.
It’s love, marriage, death and Dennis Rodman. No topic is off-limits, and there are definitely no safe words.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Okay, well, welcome, everybody. Our first episode of No Safe Words.
This is exciting. Are you excited to be here with me?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, this is so cool.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hanging out with me even more now that we're, you know,
we have 20 years of marriage and now we're doing
a podcast together.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, we've been talking about doing this for a long time.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
We have been talking.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
And people are like, you know, a lot of people
have podcasts nowadays, right?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I know, but I think what makes us.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
What do we offer? What's different about us?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Well, we've been married since the 1800s, so that helps.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
A long time.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
We have a lot of experience under our belts. I mean,
there's a lot of experts out there, but what gives
you more expertise than actually living through the hard shit, right?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, going through some hard shit.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
In my opinion.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, and us, like blended family type stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Blended families.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I have an older son. That's right.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
25 years old.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We helped raise my niece for 10 years.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Helped raise your niece for 10 years.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Two kids of our own who are getting older and
about to leave the nest.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
A lot of experiences. And we're going to have a
lot of people on our podcast that are going through
similar things, different things, people that we can sort of
get advice from on marriage, sex, blended families, like we said, um, divorce, new,
new jobs, new careers in relationships, like just finding their
way and figuring out like what path to take in
(01:24):
life and what has worked for them so that, you know,
maybe our listeners can sort of take those pieces of
advice and apply them to their own lives. Or not
feel so left alone at the end of the day,
which is, you know, what we're all hoping to do
is feel like we are not alone out on a
boat by ourselves.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So we're not experts, but.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, let's make that clear.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Not experts, but.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
That we are not experts.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Been through some shit.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Been through some.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And we've read a lot of books on this stuff, too.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I've read books on.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
God, have you read books? You've read so many books.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Why do you guys say it like that? I mean, like.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
There's a lot of self-help books in our library when
I look at it. I love a self-help book. I admire.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Self-help books are great.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I mean, you could potentially be like a Dr. Phil
at this point.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I mean, I'm giving you a lot of credit, but like,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Just because you read the books, though, it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You can just regurgitate somebody's experience or information. But in
this podcast, we get to talk about our own personal
lived-in experiences.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, which is great.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Which is great.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
See if they like it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
It's going to be great, honey. And we have great guests.
So it's going to be really exciting and really fun.
But so like what's going on in our lives right now?
What would you say is like at the tippy top
of like what is happening in the Gonzalez household? I'd say.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Go ahead. What would you say?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm really proud of you. I want to say that
you're making a short film.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Oh, you're talking about that?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I was going to. Well. Yes. We already discussed. Our
son is leaving the boarding school next week. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
We get into that later.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
But like.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
More on like the radar like happening right now like
in a day you were shooting a film that you
wrote you produced you are i mean really this is
all you and i'm i'm really proud of you well.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Thank you yeah yeah yeah finally uh you talk about
a long time coming but another thing uh yeah shooting
uh shooting a short film it's kind of like a
pilot though you know i don't even think i've told
you this well i've told you this we've talked about
it but it's It's one of those things like a
proof of concept to be like, okay, you write it
and you say, all right, if we can get the
(03:24):
right people involved, would it be something like a streaming
service and Amazon or Netflix or HBO, whatever it is.
So yeah, we're going to shoot that this week. A
three day shoot. It's the first time I've ever.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Been a lead.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Are you nervous?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I've been doing acting for a long time. A little bit. Yeah,
I am. You are. I am. But I feel like,
you know, cause I've been acting such a long time that,
and it's, And especially, you know, ups and downs of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
The bombing and, like, you suck at it because you're
just awful at it.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
God, is every actor just... I feel like there's never
been an actor in the history of acting that has
not been completely brought to their knees in humble disgust
of themselves.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, well, I'm sure there's a couple.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Is that true? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Or is that my own psycho?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I bet there's, yeah, plenty of them.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Like, you lose.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Bombs at an audition?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Bombed auditions, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Had to do some weird shit for an audition?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It's been a road for you.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's one of those things, too. Like, so many times
I've been like, what the hell am I doing?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I play football. Like, I feel good. I get to
talk about football. That's another thing that's coming up, too. Obviously,
football season is here.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But, yeah. And auditioning, you have helped me audition.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That's actually kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
What is?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You said I'm a terrible person to audition with.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Awful. Awful.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, then why are you trying to give me credit?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I will never audition with you again.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Like, you read.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I'm fantastic.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
What do you mean? Like, in what way?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I'm a great reader.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Like, I'm a great, like, improviser, actress, like, to work alongside.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
That's part of the problem. That's part of the problem.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
As you know this.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
What's part of the problem?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
That I'm so amazing? I'm just kidding. No, what?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
We've talked about this before, but the reason I can't,
I cannot, the reason I cannot audition with you anymore,
reading with me, uh, because if people don't out there,
you don't need, you, you, you get, uh, your agent
sends you over and says, Hey, they want you to
read for this part.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
They want you to audition for this part.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And so you have the lines pages and there's usually like, uh,
two scenes, two, three scenes. And so I work on
the scene, put my hours and hours and hours into it.
And then we have to say, Especially when you lived
out in Texas. Now you can go and actually pay
somebody to run through the audition for you. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But I used to have to have you do it,
as you know.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Lucky, yes. And it was the worst because I'd be
in the middle of delivering a monologue or saying my line,
and you would be looking at me cross-eyed, and you'd
be shaking your head sometimes, involuntarily.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Like you're not hitting it?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, like no. That's not it. And you know how
hard it is? to do something when the person in
front of you, or I'd get done. We'd get done,
and we'd watch the playback, and I'm like, I think
I did pretty good. And you'd be like, nah, nah. What?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I'm an honest person.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I'm realistic.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, but it's crushing, too.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It takes you out of it.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It takes you out of it. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I thought I was helping. A lot of it, too,
is awful. I wasn't good at it.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So you're saying I was right.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I guess in a sense, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But your ways of encouraging, though, you have no ability
to deliver. You're not the person who is like Hercules.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
We talk about that.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, Hercules, Hercules. That's my little baby, Hercules.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, you're not that type of mom. I don't think
you're that mom. You're definitely not that type of wife. No. Like,
she is more the realistic side.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Like, that was god-awful.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Like, the way I grew up, my mother is Hercules. Hercules, Hercules.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
She is. Like, I'm her baby, and I can't do
anything wrong. Like, after every game... If we lost, she'd
be like, well, you did your part, Anthony.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And they need to play better. It's their fault.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Like, it's not your fault.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Every time.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I love Judy. I know.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
She was the best.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
In high school, I was like, yeah, go out there.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You did great.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, but she's also like, she's like, the fix is in.
They're all against us. Like, oh, my Lord.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay. Well, I'm not like that.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
You're opposite. Even with our kids. And I think they
have a little bit of trouble with that sometimes. Because
you have to tell.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
The truth.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Your truth.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I am the Lorax and I speak for the trees.
I feel like it is my purpose in life to
give people the facts. And it's kind of ridiculous. I
don't know what this narcissistic attitude is where people need
to know the truth about themselves. Who am I? You're
absolutely right. It should not come out of my mouth.
I should not be this way. No, but you can't
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help it. I can't. I don't know what it is.
It's how I was born. I mean, even like my
My grandmother and everybody says, like, I would call people
out as a little kid and be like, I called
a woman at three years old that my dad was dating.
I looked up at her and I said, you are
a yuck. And my dad will never let me forget
it because I was just so judgmental and opinionated. Even
at that age, it's like.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I can, I absolutely see where that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I know.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's always been there. And it ain't going
anywhere either.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I know. Because we've talked about this. I'm like, can
you please just tell me that I did a good job?
Can you just say, hey, well. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Just give me something. Give me some positive feedback sometimes.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
But you're like, no, I.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Got to tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I don't believe it. And I think you probably shouldn't
even turn this audition in. This is probably why people
have always said you guys should do a podcast because
you're so honest and you just.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Crush me at times. Not all times.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You're very good. But on the opposite.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
On the opposite.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
On the opposite.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So when I compliment, what does it mean?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, it probably means.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
It means there ain't a lie in that motherfucker. I
am telling you the truth. Like 1,000%, you know that
if I give you a compliment, I mean it with
my chest. Like I mean it with everything in me.
Like there's not a speck of a lie.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So it's got to feel good.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, yeah. Another thing too, we're not.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Speaking of why, why us? Why would we do a podcast?
I think because we also are very different in.
In our opinions on our interest.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Like you, most like football wives, like you're not a
football wife.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
You never have been. You could give a shit about football.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
That is different.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I mean, look, I am very grateful to football, the
life that it's given us.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Of course that.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I've enjoyed going to all the games.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I've had a great time.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
But you don't care about sports. Sports means nothing to you.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I'm not a sports fan.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
No sports fan. Nothing like that.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
The stuff we're interested in, like you talked about, so
I read a lot of, I have read, I haven't lately,
I haven't done it in a while, but like self-help books,
you're not reading them.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
No, I read like A Court of Thorns and Roses.
I read Smut. I read books that are like i
love historical fiction but and i grew up in the
music industry my family's are my family's full of musicians
and artists you're a musician we could not be more
different you and i.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Way different way different nobody i can't sing but yet
i can't i can't dance that well i can't you
can dance you can.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Which is very different.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
There's a lot of stuff. Yeah, way very different.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And yet we came together.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Back in 2000.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
God, when did we meet?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
You like trashy television. You like the real housewives, all
that stuff. No offense. I'm sure there's an audience out there,
but it's not my favorite thing. And yet we have been.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Married 20 years. It works really well for us. And
let's talk about how we met and how it all
came to be.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
You want me to open it up?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Open it up.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I always say, I was working as a waitress in
a cocktail bar. Right?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
When you met me.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
When I met you.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
And it's true. I was working at Dennis Rodman's bar
in Newport Beach while I was also singing and trying
to record an album and get signed to a record label.
And I was doing all the Hollywood things, but I
needed cash because I didn't have any parents to help
fund the dream. So I was going back and forth.
And then I met you in the interim while I
had a boyfriend, which- You know, you asked me out anyways,
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which was.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
A little shady. No, no, that's not true.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I didn't ask you out.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Honey, what were you doing when you asked a girl
with a boyfriend to come and hang out on the
4th of July?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I didn't ask you out. I said, hey, you said
you have a boyfriend. I said, okay, cool. Bring him
to the party.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Come both. And I meant that.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Slick Rick.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
100% meant that.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You did. It was one of those things, too. Like,
when we first met each other, the conversation was always there.
That's true.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
That's like anybody's relationship.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
You should always... Always, the conversation should come real easy,
real naturally.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
A familiarity is what I say. It was just easy
with you. I met you and in a loud club somehow,
you and I were like, hey, so what's going on?
And I was kind of caught off guard by you.
You definitely drew me in because you were different. There
was something different about you. You didn't seem like, I
obviously didn't know that you played sports. I assumed you
did because you were large. But then everybody came up
(12:07):
and they're like, you know who that is? That's the
tight end from the Kansas City Sheets. And I said, Well,
that tracks.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
The who? The Chiefs, huh?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You like to pretend that I knew who you were.
I did not know.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Who you were.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
No.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
No, I'm saying you didn't know who I was.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I didn't know who you were.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
You were like, the Chiefs. What is that?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Was that a, you're, you know, you're Native American?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I said, Indian Chief? Who are we talking about? Is
this a relative?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I'm Native American. No, no.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
But I really didn't know who you were. And to
be honest, I was like not looking to date an
athlete because the girls that I worked.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
With were like.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, but you had a boyfriend anyway. What are you
talking about?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Something.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
That's, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I know what you mean. You never thought that an
athlete would have been on your... Radar. Yeah. Yeah, so anyways.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You know what my boyfriend would always say to me?
My boyfriend would always say to me every time I'd
go to work, he'd go, I hate that job. You know,
you're just going to meet, you're probably just going to
meet some rich guy and he's going to, you know,
whisk you away and I'll never see you again.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
No it wasn't like that though.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
No it really was it did not.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Go down like yeah because we met we met i
gave you my phone number i said come to the
party you never called i didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Because i am a loyal loyal person which is good
which totally cool which you admit that that was like.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I think it was a great thing because i would
have called.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You would have been like this shady is.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Because i had done that that Not method, I kind
of wanted to call it like it was a game
or anything, but I've done it and then they come
and then whatever. So you didn't come to the party
or like that, but every time I would go in there,
we would have great conversation and all that type of stuff, right?
I mean, it was always easy. And then, people will
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always recognize us as, oh, they're always.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Talking, but nothing.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
We were always flirting.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Always flirting. And so my buddy, uh, who was Dennis's partner,
this guy named.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Dougie, God rest his soul. Uh, but Dougie called me
up one day. I was up in LA at a,
at a club with my friends, my boys. And, uh,
he says, Hey man, that girl that you're always talking to, uh, Toby, she, uh, she's,
she broke up with her boyfriend and I'm like, really? Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And so I turned around, I look at all my
boys and I'm like, let's go.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I'm going. And it's an hour away, hour, hour and
10 minutes away. And we came down. I drove all
the way down, went to the club. As soon as
I was pulling up, you were in.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
The parking lot.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
In the valet.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Getting your car in the valet because the club had
gotten out early. And that's the first time. And then
I asked you out.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Would you like to go on a date now?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Now that I heard you broke up with your boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I know. It was pretty cute. You were like, I
actually drove all the way down here to ask you out.
And I was like, how do I say no to that?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
And I wish I could say that the rest was history,
but it really wasn't. You and I, like, had a
very casual, fun relationship for, like, a year or two
off and on.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I mean, you were always playing in Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
More than that.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It was a couple years.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It was really a couple years. So, yeah, we started dating.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah. Started hanging out. And then I had to go
to football season. And then as soon as I go
to football season, you get back together. The first time,
I think you got back together.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
With your boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But then you broke up. Yeah. I came back home,
not right away. I remember I came in and I
remember I saw you and I went in.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
For like, hey, huh? And I tried to go in
for like a little kiss hello.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
And you were like, turned your head.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I gave you the cheek. I said, swipe.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
And I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
And that's how you knew I had a boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
That's how I knew you had a boyfriend. And even then.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah. And fast forward to now, married 20 years.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, 23 years.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And opposites attract. We have so much in common, but honestly,
we're very different when it comes to our personalities. Our
personalities are so, so very visibly different. If you're just
around us for five minutes, you're like, oh, wow, they're
very different. But we have the same common interests. I
think that that's key. The things we like to do together,
the places we like to go, how we like to travel,
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how we raise a family, our morals, all of that
is the same.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Pretty much. Not all the time, but pretty much.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
We're gonna, I don't know, you know, day by day.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Day by day.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Dolly Parton, speaking of long marriages, Dolly Parton, my beloved,
just my complete spirit animal in every sense of the word,
she just passed away, and she and her husband, you
know how long they were married? How long? 60 years.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Were they married 60 years?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Tony. That's a long time. 60 years, could you imagine?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I mean, look.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I didn't know they were married that long.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I know he, go ahead. Carl Dean. Carl Dean.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
She's been married to Carl Dane for 60 years, and
she met him at the Wishy-Washy. Did you know that?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
She met him at the Wishy-Washy, which is like a
laundromat in Tennessee. She saw him drive by in a pickup,
and she said, that's the man I'm going to marry. No,
he's the only one that didn't stare at her chest
when they met, is what I read.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Really?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, she felt like, oh, my gosh, he's actually having
a conversation with me and not looking at my titties.
How could he not? How could he not? But good
for him, and look at him.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Carl Dane.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Carl Dane.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
And I heard that they're complete opposites, just like us.
And like their personalities were very, very different. She said that,
you know, he liked to stay home and he wanted
to like not have anything to do with the spotlight
and all of that. And I feel like that's a
little bit more your personality. And I'm more like, even
though ironically you are the one mostly in the spotlight,
(17:29):
you would prefer to be like more chill and like
in the background and In public, you sort of let
me take the reins and sort of be the jester
of the relationship.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Well, as we talked about, there's opposites in a relationship.
It sounds like that's what it was for them. She
was out there doing her thing. And for me, it's
like you're more of an outgoing person. You're an extrovert.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Extroverted extrovert.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Extroverted extrovert. You gain.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't mind going to a place. I love it.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah. When you get going, you're fun.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But I'm also like, I don't want to stay out
all night. I want to go home.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And I'm a shut. You want to shut it down.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
You want to stay until the lights come on. I
don't like doing that.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Why would we leave a good time? I just don't
understand the mentality.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But you gain energy from people.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yes, fair.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I think I heard Oprah talk about this where she
said she goes out to these places and she likes
talking to people, but when she gets home, she's exhausted.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I'm like, that's me.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
That's me.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I'm just like that. I enjoy it, but I get home.
I'm exhausted. You, you get home and it's like, should
we have another glass of wine?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I'm like, no, I'm going to bed. No.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I'm tired. I'm going to bed.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I'm tired. And you need to wind down now because
you're so amped up off of people.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, I'm like sucking the juice from people, like the energy,
and you're like giving it all away. And you just
end up empty.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Dolly, pardon though, were you a big fan of hers?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Oh my gosh, nine to five, like, look I wasn't
a huge country music fan growing up but there's a
sort of like entity that she remained in my mind
and my heart because she came from nothing and she
built this life for herself and she was always like
I don't know she was always beating everybody's idea of
her up like everyone just wanted to put her in
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a box and she was constantly just outsmarting them constantly
like just beating them at their own game. She just
would make people feel stupid for underestimating her, and I
thought that, damn, she's just such a badass.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
She was funny. You always say, what's one quote you
always say?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It costs a lot of money to look this cheap.
Love that one. Oh, and there's nothing wrong with getting
it nip-tucked and sucked, is what she would say, too.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah. Love it.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I love her whole.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I don't think there's anybody that's passed away ever... or
been a celebrity to the extent that she is that
has ever been adored by everyone, like worldwide. There's always
people that are like, I'm not a fan, I'm not
a fan. You meet anybody in the world and nobody
doesn't love Dolly Parton.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she could do it.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I remember, was that last year or the year before?
I remember she had a Dallas Cowboy... cheerleading outfit up.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
And she was, like, damn near 80.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
At the, like, 80.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
And I'm like, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I remember in the living room going, like, is that
the only part in a crop top?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I don't know about this.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, so you had to love her.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
You had to love her. She didn't care. She just
went for it. And she would always talk about failure
in the coolest way, too, which was, like, you know,
there's no such thing as failure. She's like, I never
feel like a failure. I always feel like I'm learning
something when I fail. It's just, anyway, just such an icon.
And a marriage that I highly admire, like, I feel
like they might have had a couple little breaks in
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the 60 years they were together. I don't know if
she's openly talked about there being breaks or, you know,
affairs or anything, but she alludes a little bit. And
I think in 60 years, like proof that like, you know,
phases of relationships and working hard at the relationship is
something that she really obviously fought for both of them
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and ended up staying together. I mean, until Carl's Carl
passed away, maybe a year and a half before her.
And then she came right after.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
He passed away a year and a half before?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah. Really?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Something like that.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I had read somewhere that.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
When you're married over 20 years, if one spouse dies,
the other spouse dies within six months to a year,
a year and a half or.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
You wish.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
You don't even know what's about to happen to me.
You're going to be gone. I'm black.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Right now, hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
You just have to get it.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
But I think, yeah, if you're in your 70s.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I'm getting a pool boy. I'm going to live with
my girlfriends in a complex. I have a whole plan
for when you're gone. But, like, I'm going to be sad, obviously. But, like.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Oh, well, thank you.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I will mourn. But I have a plan.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
You have a plan. You're planning my demise. Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Okay. Look, it's.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Typically, men die before women. Typically, men die before women, honey.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Don't say words.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I want to make. I want to make. I want
to make. a plan so that I don't feel so sad.
It's like my, my plan to not be depressed and
sad and die like a week after you. Otherwise I
probably would, but I want to make a plan in advance.
There's like logic to this.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
You seriously have a plan. This is, this is news
to me.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You have a plan.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I have a plan.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Well, my girlfriends are aware of it.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Well, you know, football players, uh, we do die early.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I know.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And I don't like that at all. Don't, don't talk
about it. I can't. No, I don't want that to happen.
I just know that I need, To have a plan
in tact so that I don't die a week later.
Don't you think that's smart of me?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
You don't care. You'll be gone. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I'm gone.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Seriously, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And don't come back and haunt me.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I won't haunt you. I'm good. I got to know.
What's the plan when I'm dead and gone?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Well, it's to buy a community like a Melrose Place
type apartment complex where all my girlfriends can live in
their own places. I want to hire hot- Wait.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Are they going to be- So their husbands are dead too?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
All dead. Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Everybody's got to die in this scenario.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You've got to die. I can't have any couples. This
is a female-only place where people live. We all have
our own apartments. And we have sexy pool boys, like 20-something,
30-something pool boys.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Like a pool in the middle that everybody.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Pool in the middle that we congregate a clubhouse where
we play like gin rummy, you know, like all the
card games, bingo. I want to karaoke. I'm going to
be like... Karaoke night. You know, like I want to
be like the emcee of like the fun... And then
I want to have dance parties, young, cute boys serving
us great food. It's going to be like a club,
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but for like the elderly.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And then if you're tired, you can always go back
to your apartment. Like we're not, you know, everyone can
be on their own plan, but there's going to be
like a full agenda of fun every day.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Really? Okay. Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, that sounds like fun.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Who wouldn't want to sign up for that? I feel like,
you know what I mean? We're going to look forward
to like that phase of our lives, not to you
guys dying, but to like to- This phase of life.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Well, it sounds like you're looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
No, I just want to have a plan so I
don't die a week later.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Because I will be so sad. I want community.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Pool boys.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I'd love a pool boy.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Cocktails.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Cocktails.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Margaritas by the pool.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That type of stuff. Yes. Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Now you're getting it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I see.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I see.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I see. I don't have a plan for your death,
but I'm going to come up with one.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
You should.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
It is going to be better than that.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I recommend it. You should.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I don't know. You know what I would do? What
would I do if you.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It did pass away.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
If I croaked, what would you do?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Like at 65?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
It's morbid. I don't want to think about it now.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
That's not fun.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
That's morbid. But like as old people.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
As an old person, let's say 70.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
70, right?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
You still got some good years you left.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, I got some juice in the can.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
What would I do?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I don't know. I don't think, see, that doesn't sound
good to me. Like, oh, I'm getting my boys and
we're going to live by a pool in the middle
of a Melrose place. I don't think guys want to
do anything like that.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I think as we get older, we become more isolated.
That's what they say.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That's so sad. And that's probably why you guys die first, honestly.
Because you just, the Lord knew that you guys would
be no fun if you lasted longer than us.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Maybe. Well.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
That's how it goes.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I think, I don't know, it's sentimental stuff, but I'd
probably go hang out with my kids more.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
No, obviously.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Did you factor that in? Honey.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Did you think about them?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I will spend so much time with the kids, but
then I don't want to be that old lady that's
like dependent on my kids for like my happiness. You
know how like you get like those old people that
are like hanging on for their kids to like invite
them somewhere, like waiting for their grandkids to call me.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
That's all old people. That's what you want.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I do want that, but I don't want that to
be my only source. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I want to travel though. I think I'd travel.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
As an old man trying to walk around, you're not
going to be the same.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
You get on one of those.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You're going to have like the little shuffle shuffle.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I remember my grandmother, we'd bring her over to the
Pro Bowl and she was old. Oh. Like in her 80s, 85, 86, 87.
And she would get on those little tour buses and
just go cruise around.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
So cute.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I could see myself doing something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Oh, you would be a little like tour bus cruiser.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Old man.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Six foot five.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
They're like, who is this old ass? Old ass, big
ass old man.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
That'd be cute.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But I hope that you'd find like a little companion
to go with.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Absolutely. I'm not going home.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, you got to wait till my blood goes cold
before you find a little companion. I'll come back and
haunt your ass. Just kidding.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Old people.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
With young spouses. How about that? Maybe I'm getting ready
to think about that.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
You're going to get a young spouse.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
To just nurse.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
You into your death.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Nurse you until your death.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Why not? Why not?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Get it, honey.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
What do I think about what?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Like old men dating young women. How young are we
talking about?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Maybe their wives passed away or they got divorced.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
How young are we talking?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I don't know. We live in L.A. Like you see
it sometimes.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
A woman in her 20s with a man that's about
to die is despicable.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And don't get me wrong. I love me some Anna
Nicole Smith. I thought she was a riot. I thought
she was beautiful. I thought she was a lot of
great things. But that part, kind of nasty.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I don't think she's doing too much. Are you talking
about the physical side of it?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I don't think that's happening.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Who knows?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Honey, you think he has her there to just look at?
Just put on a shelf? I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
But anyway, I think the age, it depends on the age.
A woman in her 40s or 50s, okay, fine. But
not any younger than that. If you're an elderly man,
that's just very strong.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, I'm not into it.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
What is the appropriate age difference to date?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I don't know. I don't put a.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I think European women are much more mature than American women,
so it's very hard. The guys that I know that
date young women, if they're married to a European female
in particular, she seems just more worldly, more mature. They
live on their own longer. They have more of a,
I don't know, different outlook on life.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But, yeah, it just depends on the person.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
My grandfather was, I think, 25 years older than my grandmother.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah. My parents are 20 years apart.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Maybe even more than that, like 30-something years. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Your parents are, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
20 years.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
20 years apart.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah. Yeah. Insane. Maybe it's not that weird.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I mean, it's not insane. It just depends on the people,
like I said, individuals. But it's still, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I'm trying to like sing a song from an 80s
sitcom and she's looking at me like, he's looking at
me like, what the hell?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah. That's what I always think about when I see that.
I'm like, what do they talk about? What's the conversation
going on?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I don't think there's a lot of talking happening.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, there is. I mean, come on. There's got to be.
I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, but I don't think that's like what it's based on.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
At the end of the day, people always say that too.
I don't think there's a lot of talking.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
You know what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
You have to talk.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
It's like, okay, look. That last three minutes to an hour. Right. Most. Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So the rest of the time you're going to have
to talk and like.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah. Get along. And I don't know. It's Aladdin syndrome, maybe.
Maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I can show you the world. Yeah, Aladdin syndrome, a.k.a.
an older guy who dates a younger woman because he's
done everything, seen everything. He needs to date younger because
now he can see it through her eyes. Now he
can experience everything, you know, brand new again and, you know,
feel like he's showing her everything for the first time.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, I think that's what it is. I think that's
probably what it is. What do you think about it?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Did you say so?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Did you say so?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I think it's creepy.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Okay, well.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So I think the most interesting part about Dolly Parton's
relationship or marriage to her husband is that she chose,
you know, consciously chose to keep him out of the limelight. Well,
it wasn't just her choice. It was obviously his choice.
But what do you think about that? Do you think
that that was like smart of him? Do you understand
why he would do that?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, I can understand why. He's probably a shy guy.
And he's like, I don't want to deal with all
that Hollywood stuff. And I think that's probably why their
marriage maybe lasted so damn long. Right. Because he was like,
I'm not in it for that. Like you said, he
didn't even look at her boobs from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So I think he sounds like a guy who was just, look,
I love you.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And I'm here for you.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
All that other stuff doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Right. And frankly, I don't enjoy it. Like, I don't want,
I mean, Hollywood, we've been around it. It's a different,
you know, it's a different thing.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It's a different thing.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
It's a lot of fakeness at times. Some really sweet people, too.
I mean, it's just a whole different world, the entertainment world.
It is.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I also, I read somewhere that he went to, like,
one awards show with her, and afterwards he was like,
I ain't doing this again.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Really?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, and she said, okay. So it was just, like,
one of those things, you know, where it was like,
he knew that this was just not the life that
he wanted to have. And, and to be honest, like
what a gift to be able to just walk down
the street and go get a Starbucks or, you know,
go to a car wash or not to say that
he's doing any of these things like normal people, but
he just, you know, had autonomy and like he could just,
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he could go off on his own and do his
own thing without being bothered.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
That's huge.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
That's huge. It's huge.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You always say there's like a level of fame that
you're so happy you don't have. And, like a level
that you are happy you have, right? There's like a,
there's a certain level of fame that I think, obviously
Dolly went way past that. She was like one of
the biggest superstars in the world, but like, you're so
grateful to have your level of fame, which is like,
you know, would you say D-less actor? D?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm a D? C, C, C-less? I don't even know,
there's such a thing as D.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Okay, I guess you can't compare it to like, you
can't compare it to like an athlete.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
This is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
This is how it is when I'm auditioning.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You're in the D list, aren't you?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I can't even get on the C list.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I'm not even average.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I'm not even passing.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
What are athletes?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
The A list athletes are quarterbacks, period, end of story.
It's only a quarterback, right?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
No, not necessarily.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
A B would be like a wide receiver or something
like that. And then tight ends.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Well, Travis Kelsey is definitely up to you guys in
this game. Let's be real.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Your notoriety, like Kittle and everybody now that's like, tight
end's gotten cooler since you left the game.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
The coolest personalities all on here.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Shannon Sharve, all of them.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Got them all. Anyways, what was the question?
Speaker 2 (32:27):
What did you ask?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Did you ask a question?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Are you, do you think that there's a certain level
of fame that's like, you don't want to get to
just for out of comfortability?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
No, I think, you know, you want to get to
a point where you, people come up and say, hello,
that's my fame.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Like people say, hey, what's up?
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I loved you growing up or I watched your show
or whatever the hell it is. And that's it. Not
even a picture.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Half the time, most of them are, hey, take a
quick pic, see you later.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And that's like one out of.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
20 or something.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, but you have some weird dudes that have like
crushes on you. Like weird, like, oh, Tony. I've had
grown men push me out of the way.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
To get to you. That doesn't happen too much anymore. Freaky. Yeah,
it doesn't happen too much anymore just because I've been
retired so long. That's true.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
It doesn't happen as much.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
But I think when you talk about someone like Dolly Parton,
and that's where her husband, I could see everywhere she goes,
it is like, whoom. Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
And we've been around people that are that famous.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yes. We talk about Dennis Rodman, the time we met.
I remember going out with him in 1999, in 1998.
At his peak.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And this was like, poof.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
When he was dating Madonna.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Well, he wasn't dating Madonna at that time. He was
Carmen Electra back then, whatever it was. But walking down
the street one time in Miami, we're walking. By the
time we got to the end of the corner, there
must have been 150 people behind us.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Just Pipe Piper. little mice rats, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
What that story was, mice or rats, whatever it was,
following him. Or as soon as he'd walk into the club,
the door would just get slammed. So that type of celebrity,
that's ridiculous. I don't think nobody wants that. I don't
think that's good for anybody's psyche. And that's where I
think Dolly Parton was.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Like, you know where she goes. And so I could
see the husband saying, I don't want any part of that.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Otherwise, I'm not getting married to that. Right.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Like I'll see you when you get to the house.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
And you go out.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I am so grateful that you and I can like
be in Europe and walk the streets and go get
a cappuccino and like sit out at a cafe like
without people bothering us. Like I would, it would annoy
me if every second we were bothered by a fan.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
And that's a lot on a relationship. So, I mean,
for them to make that marriage 60 years and with
all her fame and all that.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I love that she did that though.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Honestly, I love that she did that.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Did what?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Well, she said, okay. That's fine. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
She was down for it.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I get it that I'll see you back at the house. Yeah.
I'll see you when I get off tour and we'll
do dinner at the house.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Right? Because they didn't do, I'm sure they.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Weren't going out in public together.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
No, never.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
But she did mention one thing that sort of she
loved about him was they both shared the same dark
sense of humor. I also think that a sense of
humor and laughing and comedy in a relationship might be
like top two things that matter most in a relationship.
Come on.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It's key. Key.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Like you ain't going to make it 60 years if
you cannot laugh together.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Well, when you're laughing, that means you're not taking it
so seriously.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
And what's that serious?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Like anything in life.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
That's when you laugh, it's because, oh, shit, it's funny.
It's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
So if you don't have that in a relationship, I think.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Man, you're cruising.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Tick-tock, tick-tock. You are cruising.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It better be funny.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Because life's going to get you.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
How many times have you told me when I'm being
a nightmare– you know, a better man, a lesser man
would have left. Yeah. When Tony's really mad at me,
you guys who are listening, he will literally say, a
lesser man. And I know what he means by that.
He'll always follow it up with, like, good thing you're funny.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
You know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Like, it is true that, like, I entertain you, and
even when we're fighting, like, you think I'm absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And so that's kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
We talk about that, learning how to fight and not
taking it so damn seriously.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, it's not that serious unless it is, right? It's
not that serious unless it is, and it's usually not
that fucking serious.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
It's never that serious. It's never that serious. It's very rare.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Very, very rare.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
What could come up?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Think about it. Yeah. If you take away, if you
drink it too much or your addiction, obviously. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
But that's... What do they say?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Addiction.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
The three A's. Addiction, adultery... and abuse yeah so yeah
as long as those three ain't happening addiction adultery and
abuse three a's triple a triple a you're most of
the time you'll make it but even in those things
like people fight for their relationships and you know no
judgment but like those three things are typically the main
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reasons why people get divorced yeah and financial reasons obviously.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
And financial but even financial though i'm always like okay
unless somebody's being Crazy, overspending, has.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
A gambling habit. Again, that falls into like addiction. But yeah,
other than that.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
What are we fighting about?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Honey, cheers to being like Haroldine and Dolly Parton.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Haroldine?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
If we can make it 60 years, I'll be proud
of us.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I'll say for it. Do we click? Ching, ching?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Ching, ching.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Click, click. So what would you say are the rules
of our marriage? Every couple has like maybe an undisclosed
rule book.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
In their marriage.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
What would you say our unspoken rules are in our marriage?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Well, we've never written anything down.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
No, but I know, but we have them in our heads.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And people ask us that all the time.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Right. Because we have been together for 22, 23 years,
whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
23 years.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
23 years, right? Off and on. Not off and on.
I stopped counting.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Married, coming up on 20 next year. What are the rules?
I think you have to keep falling in love with
the person first.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Every five years because people change.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Damn right.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
And you have to fall in love with that version
of that person.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yeah. At the beginning you were, you were, you know,
we had no kids.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
There was carefree. I'm in love with this free version of,
of you.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
That lasted five minutes. I was pregnant literally within a year.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah. But we, but we were off and on for
about two years, two, three years. And then we got,
and then we did get married and then, and then,
and then you have kids. Okay. And so that, Now,
so that old Toby is gone and I think you
have to fall in love with that new version. Yeah.
And then in the year 10, you know, now we
have teenagers or elementary school kids.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
You fall into that version.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
You fall into that version. Once we have this empty
nester thing coming on, it's like, you're going to change.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I'm going to change. You have to because no longer
are we worried about these damn kids anymore because they're
on their own. They're out doing their own thing. And
so you have to fall in love with that version
of that person. I just feel like I've always, and we've,
we've done, what do you call that when you, When
you get married again? What's that called?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Oh, vow renewal.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Vow renewal.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah. We've done that. We did it at five years.
We did. We're going to do it again for 20.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, we are. So, and a lot of people don't know,
we had a commitment ceremony.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
That's a long story. We'll talk about that some other episode.
But we had a commitment ceremony. And then, which basically
is we got married. We just didn't sign a piece
of paper in front of our family and God and
the traditional sense. And then five, what about.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Six years later, We actually had to go get married
at the courthouse. But we did go to- For death
and taxes. For death and taxes. They forced you to
get married.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
So romantic.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
And then we got married again with... We went to Paris. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And we did it underneath the Eiffel Tower.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah. And then we're going to do it again next year.
So I just think little stuff like that, at least
that's my... One of the rules. That's true.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
And speaking of you falling in love with each other
in every version of each other, I mean, like this
perimenopause version has really taken you down to the.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Tough.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
To the nubs, hasn't it?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Don't like it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I know, I apologize, but I am aware of- It's tough.
It's an out-of-body experience sometimes, but- A lot of.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Divorce, do a lot of divorce happen, right?
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well, if you think about the age and the time
that divorce usually happens, it is around the perimenopause age
that women are going through these things. It's like our personality,
we're just so edgy and irritable and sweaty.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
And- Short.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Golly.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Unrealistic.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Go on.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Ridiculous at times.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Get it out. Get it out.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yes, and I've been working on it, and I'm getting
through it, and it's hard on us, too. It sucks,
but I get it.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
You guys, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I know. You're always having those hot flashes, and you
have to tell everybody when you're having a hot flash.
That's what I found, and not just you, your friends,
I won't name names, who are going through the same thing.
It's like you get a hot flash, and it's like
you have to announce it. You have to tell everybody,
guess what? I'm having a hot flash, and.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
It happens a lot.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
You don't like that?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I just don't understand why you keep saying it.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
We just want empathy.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Because it happens a few times a day. It's like
somebody saying, I have to go to the bathroom. Hey,
I gotta go to the bathroom. Okay, go. I'm having
a hot flash and you grab my hand and put
it on you. Okay, same thing three hours ago.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Honestly, I announce it because it's so strange to me.
I can't believe this is happening to my body. It's
a weird feeling. It's a weird sensation. It's like, what
is this? I need somebody else to recognize how weird
this is. It It's something that's never happened to me before.
It's not like I have to go to the bathroom.
I've never had hot flashes before in my life. And
all of a sudden, my whole face feels like it's
on fire. And I'm like, I can't catch my breath.
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I'm like, what is happening to my body?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, but it's been, how long has Perry been with us?
He's been with us, what, four?
Speaker 1 (41:36):
I don't know, maybe a year? Is it coming on?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I guess, yeah. Coming around? Yeah, but I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's getting better, don't you think? Like my attitude?
Speaker 3 (41:45):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Okay. You know what?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
That's part of it, though. I think that's another thing.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Like, you've got to have compassion. You've got to be
like a little bit of empathy. You're going through it.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's a tough thing.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
No, you don't. It's probably like going through puberty.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
It's reverse puberty for women. Right?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
No?
Speaker 3 (42:06):
No.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
This is so much worse.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
It's worse? Yes.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
This feels like the last trimester.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Got mood swings.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
This feels like the last trimester of my pregnancy, which
I don't know if you remember where I.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, I felt like I needed an exorcism. But like
I do feel like there's bouts of those feelings where
I'm like full of rage and I have to catch
my breath. It's hormones. It's what it is. Anyway, thank
you for, you know, toughing this out with me at
this phase of life.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
And we will.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
We're going to get through it.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I think you should probably go for a walk sometime.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
And clear your mind.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
You're probably right.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
We never talked about that, but yeah. Because you haven't
asked me my opinion on what you should do.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah, no, no, no, care. No, just kidding. I do care.
I will take a walk. I'll do that.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
No, you won't.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
No, you won't.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I want to take you down with me.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I want you to.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Feel my feelings. No, I will. I'll take a walk.
I'll shelter you from my experience.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Okay, what other rules do we have? I think we
talked about this before. Fighting. I think when you do fight.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Fight clean.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Fight fair.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Clean as in don't call names. Don't scream and yell.
Slam doors. Be violent, obviously.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
But we don't call.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Because you've been in that type of relationship. I had
never had that.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
I've never. The relationships I had before I met you
never was. I never went through something like that where
you argue and you.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Call each other. I mean, I was so young.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Cursing at each other. Cursing each other out.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
And I've seen.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
But it doesn't mean that it can't work. You saw
The Notebook. They yelled at each other, didn't they?
Speaker 1 (43:32):
The Notebook.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Remember that movie?
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Of course I remember that movie.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
With Ryan Gosling.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
If you're a bird, I'm a bird.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I don't know all that.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I saw it one time. But I remember in the movie,
they were yelling. And at the end, doesn't he say, like, hey,
we fight.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
This is just us. This is just us.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Oh, yeah, this is what we do.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
This is what we do. And then it's, like, romantic.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
So it works for some people.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
But I think that's bad advice.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
And that's the movies, honey.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
That's probably caused a lot of divorce. Because people are like, oh,
I'm going to be like the notebook. See, it's totally normal, babe.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
And he starts cussing her out. And you're like, that
doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
No, this isn't the movies.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I don't believe in that at all.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
No, this isn't the movies. You need, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
And we believe in laughter during a fight.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
That's true. You're a ridiculous fighter, but we'll save that
for another podcast because you're absolutely ridiculous when we fight
in the most funny way. But yeah, I think that
those are the rules. Fight fair, fall in love with
the person as they change, and comedy, laugh. It's not
that serious.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, I think rituals too. We have good rituals, like
morning coffee. If you can, I know some people out there,
you probably don't have time for that. You've got jobs
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I call it. Tuesday with Maury.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
We're lucky.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Lucky to be able to hang out with each other.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
My old man I like to have coffee with. I
like it.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Best part of my day.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Is it? Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
I know we said we'd save this for another episode,
but I have to talk about how ridiculous you are
when we do fight and why it actually works for us.
It's because you guys who are listening, Tony, I would
get up and show you, but he literally in his rage,
and I mean like I really have to push him
to be angry.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I've taken you to your limit.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
And you will stand up in that moment and you
will bite your fist, clench your fist and bite it
as hard as you can. Yeah. And then jump into
a karate kick, like a high kick karate kick. And
then you'll take like an imaginary stick and break it
over your knee. Like I'm, I'm the stick.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, you are.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
And you're karate chopping me and you're biting your fist. Like,
could you try not to punch it at me? And
it's all of these movements and these ridiculous movements I
don't karate moves that take me out of the complete
reason we were arguing like in the first place. And
I'm like, you are the most ridiculous human I've ever
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seen in my life.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
And it's great. It works because then all of a
sudden I don't even remember what we were fighting about.
I'm looking at you be a ridiculous human being.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
And I'm not doing it for you.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Well, I know you're doing it for you. You're getting
it out.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
I'm taking myself out of it too because I'm so
angry and so frustrated.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
And, uh, Disheartened.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Disheartened.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Yeah. Wow. Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
I feel very.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Utterly disappointed in the human being that you are.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
It is ridiculous what is going on here right now. So, yeah,
I think it's important to take yourself out of it. Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
The best way you can.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Say the most ridiculous shit you can think of.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Like, speak in tongues at an imaginary person. Like, turn
around and start talking.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Right, right.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Heal you. Pretend that you're... That's another one. You could
pretend that you're healing somebody. Just get into your imagination
and go crazy in that imagination. And go crazy.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
I mean, this might be good advice.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
It gets all the tension out.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I think it gets all the... It's like some people, what,
punch a pillow? You could punch a pillow or something.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Scream into a pillow.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
That's beneath you.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
It just sounds childish. Oh, yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
I'm glad we have our limits. Okay.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Well... But you, because you want to keep going. You
want to keep fighting. And most people do. I think
most people do want to keep fighting. Like they feel
so good when you're in the argument and you're expressing
yourself and you're like, oh, this is smart. Like I'm
saying something. And I know a lot of the times
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it's probably not even making sense what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Look, at the end of the day, what did we say?
You have to take things lightly. Nothing is that serious.
And if what you're fighting about is that serious, she'll
come back around and you'll talk about it more. And
you'll address it more. But it's like in that moment,
like it's just doesn't need to escalate. And you do
such a good job at deescalating the situation. And I
think that's a huge win for us in our relationship.
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I think that's why we've lasted so long is because
it's just we never let it go too far. It's
like we never let it get past the point of
no return or to the point where we say things
or do things that we can't take back. Like in marriages,
like people go Full throttle, like say some shit that
they're like, oh, I can't believe I said that. I
can't believe that came out of my mouth. And the
other person just never forgets it. They carry it with
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them forever and you can't unsee it. You can't unfeel it.
It's always there. So it's like, we've done really well
at not letting it get to that point. And I
think that's, that's huge.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I think complimenting each other.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
It's a good rule. We do that a lot.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Complimenting.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah. In the sense, I know what, yeah, you like,
you look pretty like that.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I like your hair like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Just something you're not a.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Big noticer but you know you don't think so like
really i mean like if i have a new like
get my hair colored or i get a new anything yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
I probably won't notice that but you look pretty you'll
say i look pretty yes not.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Very detailed no no no not a detail i think
most men are like that too most men some men.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I have some girlfriends that are married to producers and
it's like they get the real compliments like i've really
i noticed i noticed your toenail color It's nice. Yeah,
that's not happening. You cut your hair a little bit.
You trimmed it, I noticed. I'm like, ooh, that must
be nice.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
That's weird to me.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
I know. To notice that weird stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
It's not weird stuff, I guess.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
For you to notice.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
I remember I was sitting in.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
A meeting when I was playing for the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
And this lady was on stage talking. And she... a
pretty lady.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
And the guy next to me, he leans over and
he goes, look at her shoes. And I guess her
shoes were kind of dirty.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
And I was like, I didn't, what do you, Tony
was like, I couldn't take my eyes off her legs,
her chest, a lot of other parts before I got
to her shoes.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
You looked at her shoes? What are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
And so what did he say afterwards?
Speaker 3 (49:47):
I always notice stuff like that. I notice the little details.
And I was like, I don't have that. I don't
think I have that in me. I don't know why
I told that story.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
It just makes sense to me. No, you don't, honey.
You're not a detail-oriented person. And I appreciate it. sometimes,
you know? Because on the flip side of that, a
guy that looks at all the details is going to
notice if you have one hair out of place, and
I don't want some guy doing that to me.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Is that what you want me to nitpick?
Speaker 3 (50:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
God, no. Thank God.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
But on the flip side, you will nitpick. You'll nitpick.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
Oh, yes.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
There's enough nitpicking for us to last a lifetime. Yeah,
you will nitpick.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
I'm a professional nitpicker. Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. But it's fine.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Peck, peck, peck.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
You just can't take it seriously.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
As you say.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Well, honey, this has been very fun. Thanks for hanging
out with me.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
It was good. First episode. We're off to the races now.
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
20 years now on podcasts. We just get more and
more time together.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
I think people will like it.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I hope so.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Are we going to be okay?
Speaker 3 (50:41):
We're going to be fine.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
I think we're going to be great.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
We're going to be all right.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Well, guys, you can stream us on any platform. Hit subscribe, download,
do all the things, and we'll see you soon.
Okay, well, welcome, everybody. Our first episode of No Safe Words.
This is exciting. Are you excited to be here with me?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, this is so cool.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hanging out with me even more now that we're, you know,
we have 20 years of marriage and now we're doing
a podcast together.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, we've been talking about doing this for a long time.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
We have been talking.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
And people are like, you know, a lot of people
have podcasts nowadays, right?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I know, but I think what makes us.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
What do we offer? What's different about us?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Well, we've been married since the 1800s, so that helps.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
A long time.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
We have a lot of experience under our belts. I mean,
there's a lot of experts out there, but what gives
you more expertise than actually living through the hard shit, right?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, going through some hard shit.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
In my opinion.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, and us, like blended family type stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Blended families.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I have an older son. That's right.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
25 years old.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We helped raise my niece for 10 years.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Helped raise your niece for 10 years.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Two kids of our own who are getting older and
about to leave the nest.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
A lot of experiences. And we're going to have a
lot of people on our podcast that are going through
similar things, different things, people that we can sort of
get advice from on marriage, sex, blended families, like we said, um, divorce, new,
new jobs, new careers in relationships, like just finding their
way and figuring out like what path to take in
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life and what has worked for them so that, you know,
maybe our listeners can sort of take those pieces of
advice and apply them to their own lives. Or not
feel so left alone at the end of the day,
which is, you know, what we're all hoping to do
is feel like we are not alone out on a
boat by ourselves.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So we're not experts, but.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, let's make that clear.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Not experts, but.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
That we are not experts.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Been through some shit.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Been through some.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And we've read a lot of books on this stuff, too.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I've read books on.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
God, have you read books? You've read so many books.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Why do you guys say it like that? I mean, like.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
There's a lot of self-help books in our library when
I look at it. I love a self-help book. I admire.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Self-help books are great.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I mean, you could potentially be like a Dr. Phil
at this point.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I mean, I'm giving you a lot of credit, but like,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Just because you read the books, though, it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You can just regurgitate somebody's experience or information. But in
this podcast, we get to talk about our own personal
lived-in experiences.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, which is great.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Which is great.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
See if they like it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
It's going to be great, honey. And we have great guests.
So it's going to be really exciting and really fun.
But so like what's going on in our lives right now?
What would you say is like at the tippy top
of like what is happening in the Gonzalez household? I'd say.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Go ahead. What would you say?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm really proud of you. I want to say that
you're making a short film.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Oh, you're talking about that?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I was going to. Well. Yes. We already discussed. Our
son is leaving the boarding school next week. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
We get into that later.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
But like.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
More on like the radar like happening right now like
in a day you were shooting a film that you
wrote you produced you are i mean really this is
all you and i'm i'm really proud of you well.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Thank you yeah yeah yeah finally uh you talk about
a long time coming but another thing uh yeah shooting
uh shooting a short film it's kind of like a
pilot though you know i don't even think i've told
you this well i've told you this we've talked about
it but it's It's one of those things like a
proof of concept to be like, okay, you write it
and you say, all right, if we can get the
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right people involved, would it be something like a streaming
service and Amazon or Netflix or HBO, whatever it is.
So yeah, we're going to shoot that this week. A
three day shoot. It's the first time I've ever.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Been a lead.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Are you nervous?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I've been doing acting for a long time. A little bit. Yeah,
I am. You are. I am. But I feel like,
you know, cause I've been acting such a long time that,
and it's, And especially, you know, ups and downs of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
The bombing and, like, you suck at it because you're
just awful at it.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
God, is every actor just... I feel like there's never
been an actor in the history of acting that has
not been completely brought to their knees in humble disgust
of themselves.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, well, I'm sure there's a couple.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Is that true? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Or is that my own psycho?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I bet there's, yeah, plenty of them.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Like, you lose.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Bombs at an audition?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Bombed auditions, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Had to do some weird shit for an audition?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It's been a road for you.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's one of those things, too. Like, so many times
I've been like, what the hell am I doing?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I play football. Like, I feel good. I get to
talk about football. That's another thing that's coming up, too. Obviously,
football season is here.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But, yeah. And auditioning, you have helped me audition.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That's actually kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
What is?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You said I'm a terrible person to audition with.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Awful. Awful.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, then why are you trying to give me credit?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I will never audition with you again.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Like, you read.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I'm fantastic.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
What do you mean? Like, in what way?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I'm a great reader.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Like, I'm a great, like, improviser, actress, like, to work alongside.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
That's part of the problem. That's part of the problem.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
As you know this.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
What's part of the problem?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
That I'm so amazing? I'm just kidding. No, what?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
We've talked about this before, but the reason I can't,
I cannot, the reason I cannot audition with you anymore,
reading with me, uh, because if people don't out there,
you don't need, you, you, you get, uh, your agent
sends you over and says, Hey, they want you to
read for this part.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
They want you to audition for this part.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And so you have the lines pages and there's usually like, uh,
two scenes, two, three scenes. And so I work on
the scene, put my hours and hours and hours into it.
And then we have to say, Especially when you lived
out in Texas. Now you can go and actually pay
somebody to run through the audition for you. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But I used to have to have you do it,
as you know.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Lucky, yes. And it was the worst because I'd be
in the middle of delivering a monologue or saying my line,
and you would be looking at me cross-eyed, and you'd
be shaking your head sometimes, involuntarily.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Like you're not hitting it?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, like no. That's not it. And you know how
hard it is? to do something when the person in
front of you, or I'd get done. We'd get done,
and we'd watch the playback, and I'm like, I think
I did pretty good. And you'd be like, nah, nah. What?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I'm an honest person.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I'm realistic.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, but it's crushing, too.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It takes you out of it.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It takes you out of it. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I thought I was helping. A lot of it, too,
is awful. I wasn't good at it.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So you're saying I was right.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I guess in a sense, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But your ways of encouraging, though, you have no ability
to deliver. You're not the person who is like Hercules.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
We talk about that.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, Hercules, Hercules. That's my little baby, Hercules.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, you're not that type of mom. I don't think
you're that mom. You're definitely not that type of wife. No. Like,
she is more the realistic side.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Like, that was god-awful.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Like, the way I grew up, my mother is Hercules. Hercules, Hercules.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
She is. Like, I'm her baby, and I can't do
anything wrong. Like, after every game... If we lost, she'd
be like, well, you did your part, Anthony.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And they need to play better. It's their fault.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Like, it's not your fault.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Every time.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I love Judy. I know.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
She was the best.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
In high school, I was like, yeah, go out there.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You did great.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, but she's also like, she's like, the fix is in.
They're all against us. Like, oh, my Lord.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay. Well, I'm not like that.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
You're opposite. Even with our kids. And I think they
have a little bit of trouble with that sometimes. Because
you have to tell.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
The truth.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Your truth.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I am the Lorax and I speak for the trees.
I feel like it is my purpose in life to
give people the facts. And it's kind of ridiculous. I
don't know what this narcissistic attitude is where people need
to know the truth about themselves. Who am I? You're
absolutely right. It should not come out of my mouth.
I should not be this way. No, but you can't
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help it. I can't. I don't know what it is.
It's how I was born. I mean, even like my
My grandmother and everybody says, like, I would call people
out as a little kid and be like, I called
a woman at three years old that my dad was dating.
I looked up at her and I said, you are
a yuck. And my dad will never let me forget
it because I was just so judgmental and opinionated. Even
at that age, it's like.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I can, I absolutely see where that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I know.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's always been there. And it ain't going
anywhere either.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I know. Because we've talked about this. I'm like, can
you please just tell me that I did a good job?
Can you just say, hey, well. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Just give me something. Give me some positive feedback sometimes.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
But you're like, no, I.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Got to tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I don't believe it. And I think you probably shouldn't
even turn this audition in. This is probably why people
have always said you guys should do a podcast because
you're so honest and you just.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Crush me at times. Not all times.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You're very good. But on the opposite.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
On the opposite.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
On the opposite.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So when I compliment, what does it mean?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, it probably means.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
It means there ain't a lie in that motherfucker. I
am telling you the truth. Like 1,000%, you know that
if I give you a compliment, I mean it with
my chest. Like I mean it with everything in me.
Like there's not a speck of a lie.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So it's got to feel good.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, yeah. Another thing too, we're not.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Speaking of why, why us? Why would we do a podcast?
I think because we also are very different in.
In our opinions on our interest.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Like you, most like football wives, like you're not a
football wife.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
You never have been. You could give a shit about football.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
That is different.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I mean, look, I am very grateful to football, the
life that it's given us.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Of course that.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I've enjoyed going to all the games.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I've had a great time.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
But you don't care about sports. Sports means nothing to you.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I'm not a sports fan.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
No sports fan. Nothing like that.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
The stuff we're interested in, like you talked about, so
I read a lot of, I have read, I haven't lately,
I haven't done it in a while, but like self-help books,
you're not reading them.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
No, I read like A Court of Thorns and Roses.
I read Smut. I read books that are like i
love historical fiction but and i grew up in the
music industry my family's are my family's full of musicians
and artists you're a musician we could not be more
different you and i.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Way different way different nobody i can't sing but yet
i can't i can't dance that well i can't you
can dance you can.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Which is very different.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
There's a lot of stuff. Yeah, way very different.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And yet we came together.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Back in 2000.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
God, when did we meet?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
You like trashy television. You like the real housewives, all
that stuff. No offense. I'm sure there's an audience out there,
but it's not my favorite thing. And yet we have been.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Married 20 years. It works really well for us. And
let's talk about how we met and how it all
came to be.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
You want me to open it up?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Open it up.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I always say, I was working as a waitress in
a cocktail bar. Right?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
When you met me.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
When I met you.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
And it's true. I was working at Dennis Rodman's bar
in Newport Beach while I was also singing and trying
to record an album and get signed to a record label.
And I was doing all the Hollywood things, but I
needed cash because I didn't have any parents to help
fund the dream. So I was going back and forth.
And then I met you in the interim while I
had a boyfriend, which- You know, you asked me out anyways,
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which was.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
A little shady. No, no, that's not true.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I didn't ask you out.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Honey, what were you doing when you asked a girl
with a boyfriend to come and hang out on the
4th of July?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I didn't ask you out. I said, hey, you said
you have a boyfriend. I said, okay, cool. Bring him
to the party.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Come both. And I meant that.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Slick Rick.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
100% meant that.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You did. It was one of those things, too. Like,
when we first met each other, the conversation was always there.
That's true.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
That's like anybody's relationship.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
You should always... Always, the conversation should come real easy,
real naturally.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
A familiarity is what I say. It was just easy
with you. I met you and in a loud club somehow,
you and I were like, hey, so what's going on?
And I was kind of caught off guard by you.
You definitely drew me in because you were different. There
was something different about you. You didn't seem like, I
obviously didn't know that you played sports. I assumed you
did because you were large. But then everybody came up
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and they're like, you know who that is? That's the
tight end from the Kansas City Sheets. And I said, Well,
that tracks.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
The who? The Chiefs, huh?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You like to pretend that I knew who you were.
I did not know.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Who you were.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
No.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
No, I'm saying you didn't know who I was.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I didn't know who you were.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
You were like, the Chiefs. What is that?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Was that a, you're, you know, you're Native American?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I said, Indian Chief? Who are we talking about? Is
this a relative?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I'm Native American. No, no.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
But I really didn't know who you were. And to
be honest, I was like not looking to date an
athlete because the girls that I worked.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
With were like.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, but you had a boyfriend anyway. What are you
talking about?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Something.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
That's, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I know what you mean. You never thought that an
athlete would have been on your... Radar. Yeah. Yeah, so anyways.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You know what my boyfriend would always say to me?
My boyfriend would always say to me every time I'd
go to work, he'd go, I hate that job. You know,
you're just going to meet, you're probably just going to
meet some rich guy and he's going to, you know,
whisk you away and I'll never see you again.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
No it wasn't like that though.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
No it really was it did not.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Go down like yeah because we met we met i
gave you my phone number i said come to the
party you never called i didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Because i am a loyal loyal person which is good
which totally cool which you admit that that was like.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I think it was a great thing because i would
have called.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You would have been like this shady is.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Because i had done that that Not method, I kind
of wanted to call it like it was a game
or anything, but I've done it and then they come
and then whatever. So you didn't come to the party
or like that, but every time I would go in there,
we would have great conversation and all that type of stuff, right?
I mean, it was always easy. And then, people will
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always recognize us as, oh, they're always.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Talking, but nothing.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
We were always flirting.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Always flirting. And so my buddy, uh, who was Dennis's partner,
this guy named.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Dougie, God rest his soul. Uh, but Dougie called me
up one day. I was up in LA at a,
at a club with my friends, my boys. And, uh,
he says, Hey man, that girl that you're always talking to, uh, Toby, she, uh, she's,
she broke up with her boyfriend and I'm like, really? Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And so I turned around, I look at all my
boys and I'm like, let's go.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I'm going. And it's an hour away, hour, hour and
10 minutes away. And we came down. I drove all
the way down, went to the club. As soon as
I was pulling up, you were in.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
The parking lot.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
In the valet.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Getting your car in the valet because the club had
gotten out early. And that's the first time. And then
I asked you out.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Would you like to go on a date now?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Now that I heard you broke up with your boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I know. It was pretty cute. You were like, I
actually drove all the way down here to ask you out.
And I was like, how do I say no to that?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
And I wish I could say that the rest was history,
but it really wasn't. You and I, like, had a
very casual, fun relationship for, like, a year or two
off and on.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I mean, you were always playing in Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
More than that.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It was a couple years.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It was really a couple years. So, yeah, we started dating.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah. Started hanging out. And then I had to go
to football season. And then as soon as I go
to football season, you get back together. The first time,
I think you got back together.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
With your boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But then you broke up. Yeah. I came back home,
not right away. I remember I came in and I
remember I saw you and I went in.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
For like, hey, huh? And I tried to go in
for like a little kiss hello.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
And you were like, turned your head.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I gave you the cheek. I said, swipe.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
And I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
And that's how you knew I had a boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
That's how I knew you had a boyfriend. And even then.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah. And fast forward to now, married 20 years.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, 23 years.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And opposites attract. We have so much in common, but honestly,
we're very different when it comes to our personalities. Our
personalities are so, so very visibly different. If you're just
around us for five minutes, you're like, oh, wow, they're
very different. But we have the same common interests. I
think that that's key. The things we like to do together,
the places we like to go, how we like to travel,
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how we raise a family, our morals, all of that
is the same.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Pretty much. Not all the time, but pretty much.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
We're gonna, I don't know, you know, day by day.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Day by day.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Dolly Parton, speaking of long marriages, Dolly Parton, my beloved,
just my complete spirit animal in every sense of the word,
she just passed away, and she and her husband, you
know how long they were married? How long? 60 years.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Were they married 60 years?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Tony. That's a long time. 60 years, could you imagine?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I mean, look.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I didn't know they were married that long.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I know he, go ahead. Carl Dean. Carl Dean.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
She's been married to Carl Dane for 60 years, and
she met him at the Wishy-Washy. Did you know that?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
She met him at the Wishy-Washy, which is like a
laundromat in Tennessee. She saw him drive by in a pickup,
and she said, that's the man I'm going to marry. No,
he's the only one that didn't stare at her chest
when they met, is what I read.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Really?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, she felt like, oh, my gosh, he's actually having
a conversation with me and not looking at my titties.
How could he not? How could he not? But good
for him, and look at him.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Carl Dane.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Carl Dane.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
And I heard that they're complete opposites, just like us.
And like their personalities were very, very different. She said that,
you know, he liked to stay home and he wanted
to like not have anything to do with the spotlight
and all of that. And I feel like that's a
little bit more your personality. And I'm more like, even
though ironically you are the one mostly in the spotlight,
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you would prefer to be like more chill and like
in the background and In public, you sort of let
me take the reins and sort of be the jester
of the relationship.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Well, as we talked about, there's opposites in a relationship.
It sounds like that's what it was for them. She
was out there doing her thing. And for me, it's
like you're more of an outgoing person. You're an extrovert.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Extroverted extrovert.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Extroverted extrovert. You gain.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't mind going to a place. I love it.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah. When you get going, you're fun.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But I'm also like, I don't want to stay out
all night. I want to go home.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And I'm a shut. You want to shut it down.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
You want to stay until the lights come on. I
don't like doing that.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Why would we leave a good time? I just don't
understand the mentality.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But you gain energy from people.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yes, fair.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I think I heard Oprah talk about this where she
said she goes out to these places and she likes
talking to people, but when she gets home, she's exhausted.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I'm like, that's me.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
That's me.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I'm just like that. I enjoy it, but I get home.
I'm exhausted. You, you get home and it's like, should
we have another glass of wine?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I'm like, no, I'm going to bed. No.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I'm tired. I'm going to bed.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I'm tired. And you need to wind down now because
you're so amped up off of people.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, I'm like sucking the juice from people, like the energy,
and you're like giving it all away. And you just
end up empty.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Dolly, pardon though, were you a big fan of hers?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Oh my gosh, nine to five, like, look I wasn't
a huge country music fan growing up but there's a
sort of like entity that she remained in my mind
and my heart because she came from nothing and she
built this life for herself and she was always like
I don't know she was always beating everybody's idea of
her up like everyone just wanted to put her in
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a box and she was constantly just outsmarting them constantly
like just beating them at their own game. She just
would make people feel stupid for underestimating her, and I
thought that, damn, she's just such a badass.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
She was funny. You always say, what's one quote you
always say?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It costs a lot of money to look this cheap.
Love that one. Oh, and there's nothing wrong with getting
it nip-tucked and sucked, is what she would say, too.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah. Love it.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I love her whole.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I don't think there's anybody that's passed away ever... or
been a celebrity to the extent that she is that
has ever been adored by everyone, like worldwide. There's always
people that are like, I'm not a fan, I'm not
a fan. You meet anybody in the world and nobody
doesn't love Dolly Parton.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she could do it.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I remember, was that last year or the year before?
I remember she had a Dallas Cowboy... cheerleading outfit up.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
And she was, like, damn near 80.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
At the, like, 80.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
And I'm like, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I remember in the living room going, like, is that
the only part in a crop top?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I don't know about this.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, so you had to love her.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
You had to love her. She didn't care. She just
went for it. And she would always talk about failure
in the coolest way, too, which was, like, you know,
there's no such thing as failure. She's like, I never
feel like a failure. I always feel like I'm learning
something when I fail. It's just, anyway, just such an icon.
And a marriage that I highly admire, like, I feel
like they might have had a couple little breaks in
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the 60 years they were together. I don't know if
she's openly talked about there being breaks or, you know,
affairs or anything, but she alludes a little bit. And
I think in 60 years, like proof that like, you know,
phases of relationships and working hard at the relationship is
something that she really obviously fought for both of them
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and ended up staying together. I mean, until Carl's Carl
passed away, maybe a year and a half before her.
And then she came right after.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
He passed away a year and a half before?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah. Really?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Something like that.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I had read somewhere that.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
When you're married over 20 years, if one spouse dies,
the other spouse dies within six months to a year,
a year and a half or.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
You wish.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
You don't even know what's about to happen to me.
You're going to be gone. I'm black.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Right now, hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
You just have to get it.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
But I think, yeah, if you're in your 70s.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I'm getting a pool boy. I'm going to live with
my girlfriends in a complex. I have a whole plan
for when you're gone. But, like, I'm going to be sad, obviously. But, like.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Oh, well, thank you.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I will mourn. But I have a plan.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
You have a plan. You're planning my demise. Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Okay. Look, it's.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Typically, men die before women. Typically, men die before women, honey.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Don't say words.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I want to make. I want to make. I want
to make. a plan so that I don't feel so sad.
It's like my, my plan to not be depressed and
sad and die like a week after you. Otherwise I
probably would, but I want to make a plan in advance.
There's like logic to this.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
You seriously have a plan. This is, this is news
to me.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You have a plan.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I have a plan.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Well, my girlfriends are aware of it.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Well, you know, football players, uh, we do die early.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I know.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And I don't like that at all. Don't, don't talk
about it. I can't. No, I don't want that to happen.
I just know that I need, To have a plan
in tact so that I don't die a week later.
Don't you think that's smart of me?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
You don't care. You'll be gone. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I'm gone.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Seriously, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And don't come back and haunt me.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I won't haunt you. I'm good. I got to know.
What's the plan when I'm dead and gone?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Well, it's to buy a community like a Melrose Place
type apartment complex where all my girlfriends can live in
their own places. I want to hire hot- Wait.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Are they going to be- So their husbands are dead too?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
All dead. Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Everybody's got to die in this scenario.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You've got to die. I can't have any couples. This
is a female-only place where people live. We all have
our own apartments. And we have sexy pool boys, like 20-something,
30-something pool boys.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Like a pool in the middle that everybody.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Pool in the middle that we congregate a clubhouse where
we play like gin rummy, you know, like all the
card games, bingo. I want to karaoke. I'm going to
be like... Karaoke night. You know, like I want to
be like the emcee of like the fun... And then
I want to have dance parties, young, cute boys serving
us great food. It's going to be like a club,
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but for like the elderly.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And then if you're tired, you can always go back
to your apartment. Like we're not, you know, everyone can
be on their own plan, but there's going to be
like a full agenda of fun every day.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Really? Okay. Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, that sounds like fun.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Who wouldn't want to sign up for that? I feel like,
you know what I mean? We're going to look forward
to like that phase of our lives, not to you
guys dying, but to like to- This phase of life.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Well, it sounds like you're looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
No, I just want to have a plan so I
don't die a week later.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Because I will be so sad. I want community.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Pool boys.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I'd love a pool boy.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Cocktails.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Cocktails.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Margaritas by the pool.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That type of stuff. Yes. Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Now you're getting it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I see.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I see.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I see. I don't have a plan for your death,
but I'm going to come up with one.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
You should.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
It is going to be better than that.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I recommend it. You should.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I don't know. You know what I would do? What
would I do if you.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It did pass away.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
If I croaked, what would you do?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Like at 65?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
It's morbid. I don't want to think about it now.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
That's not fun.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
That's morbid. But like as old people.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
As an old person, let's say 70.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
70, right?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
You still got some good years you left.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, I got some juice in the can.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
What would I do?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I don't know. I don't think, see, that doesn't sound
good to me. Like, oh, I'm getting my boys and
we're going to live by a pool in the middle
of a Melrose place. I don't think guys want to
do anything like that.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I think as we get older, we become more isolated.
That's what they say.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That's so sad. And that's probably why you guys die first, honestly.
Because you just, the Lord knew that you guys would
be no fun if you lasted longer than us.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Maybe. Well.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
That's how it goes.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I think, I don't know, it's sentimental stuff, but I'd
probably go hang out with my kids more.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
No, obviously.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Did you factor that in? Honey.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Did you think about them?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I will spend so much time with the kids, but
then I don't want to be that old lady that's
like dependent on my kids for like my happiness. You
know how like you get like those old people that
are like hanging on for their kids to like invite
them somewhere, like waiting for their grandkids to call me.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
That's all old people. That's what you want.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I do want that, but I don't want that to
be my only source. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I want to travel though. I think I'd travel.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
As an old man trying to walk around, you're not
going to be the same.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
You get on one of those.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You're going to have like the little shuffle shuffle.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I remember my grandmother, we'd bring her over to the
Pro Bowl and she was old. Oh. Like in her 80s, 85, 86, 87.
And she would get on those little tour buses and
just go cruise around.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
So cute.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I could see myself doing something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Oh, you would be a little like tour bus cruiser.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Old man.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Six foot five.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
They're like, who is this old ass? Old ass, big
ass old man.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
That'd be cute.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But I hope that you'd find like a little companion
to go with.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Absolutely. I'm not going home.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, you got to wait till my blood goes cold
before you find a little companion. I'll come back and
haunt your ass. Just kidding.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Old people.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
With young spouses. How about that? Maybe I'm getting ready
to think about that.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
You're going to get a young spouse.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
To just nurse.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
You into your death.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Nurse you until your death.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Why not? Why not?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Get it, honey.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
What do I think about what?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Like old men dating young women. How young are we
talking about?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Maybe their wives passed away or they got divorced.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
How young are we talking?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I don't know. We live in L.A. Like you see
it sometimes.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
A woman in her 20s with a man that's about
to die is despicable.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And don't get me wrong. I love me some Anna
Nicole Smith. I thought she was a riot. I thought
she was beautiful. I thought she was a lot of
great things. But that part, kind of nasty.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I don't think she's doing too much. Are you talking
about the physical side of it?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I don't think that's happening.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Who knows?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Honey, you think he has her there to just look at?
Just put on a shelf? I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
But anyway, I think the age, it depends on the age.
A woman in her 40s or 50s, okay, fine. But
not any younger than that. If you're an elderly man,
that's just very strong.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, I'm not into it.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
What is the appropriate age difference to date?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I don't know. I don't put a.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I think European women are much more mature than American women,
so it's very hard. The guys that I know that
date young women, if they're married to a European female
in particular, she seems just more worldly, more mature. They
live on their own longer. They have more of a,
I don't know, different outlook on life.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But, yeah, it just depends on the person.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
My grandfather was, I think, 25 years older than my grandmother.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah. My parents are 20 years apart.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Maybe even more than that, like 30-something years. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Your parents are, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
20 years.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
20 years apart.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah. Yeah. Insane. Maybe it's not that weird.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I mean, it's not insane. It just depends on the people,
like I said, individuals. But it's still, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I'm trying to like sing a song from an 80s
sitcom and she's looking at me like, he's looking at
me like, what the hell?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah. That's what I always think about when I see that.
I'm like, what do they talk about? What's the conversation
going on?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I don't think there's a lot of talking happening.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, there is. I mean, come on. There's got to be.
I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, but I don't think that's like what it's based on.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
At the end of the day, people always say that too.
I don't think there's a lot of talking.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
You know what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
You have to talk.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
It's like, okay, look. That last three minutes to an hour. Right. Most. Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So the rest of the time you're going to have
to talk and like.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah. Get along. And I don't know. It's Aladdin syndrome, maybe.
Maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I can show you the world. Yeah, Aladdin syndrome, a.k.a.
an older guy who dates a younger woman because he's
done everything, seen everything. He needs to date younger because
now he can see it through her eyes. Now he
can experience everything, you know, brand new again and, you know,
feel like he's showing her everything for the first time.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, I think that's what it is. I think that's
probably what it is. What do you think about it?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Did you say so?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Did you say so?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I think it's creepy.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Okay, well.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So I think the most interesting part about Dolly Parton's
relationship or marriage to her husband is that she chose,
you know, consciously chose to keep him out of the limelight. Well,
it wasn't just her choice. It was obviously his choice.
But what do you think about that? Do you think
that that was like smart of him? Do you understand
why he would do that?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, I can understand why. He's probably a shy guy.
And he's like, I don't want to deal with all
that Hollywood stuff. And I think that's probably why their
marriage maybe lasted so damn long. Right. Because he was like,
I'm not in it for that. Like you said, he
didn't even look at her boobs from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So I think he sounds like a guy who was just, look,
I love you.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And I'm here for you.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
All that other stuff doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Right. And frankly, I don't enjoy it. Like, I don't want,
I mean, Hollywood, we've been around it. It's a different,
you know, it's a different thing.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It's a different thing.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
It's a lot of fakeness at times. Some really sweet people, too.
I mean, it's just a whole different world, the entertainment world.
It is.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I also, I read somewhere that he went to, like,
one awards show with her, and afterwards he was like,
I ain't doing this again.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Really?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, and she said, okay. So it was just, like,
one of those things, you know, where it was like,
he knew that this was just not the life that
he wanted to have. And, and to be honest, like
what a gift to be able to just walk down
the street and go get a Starbucks or, you know,
go to a car wash or not to say that
he's doing any of these things like normal people, but
he just, you know, had autonomy and like he could just,
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he could go off on his own and do his
own thing without being bothered.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
That's huge.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
That's huge. It's huge.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You always say there's like a level of fame that
you're so happy you don't have. And, like a level
that you are happy you have, right? There's like a,
there's a certain level of fame that I think, obviously
Dolly went way past that. She was like one of
the biggest superstars in the world, but like, you're so
grateful to have your level of fame, which is like,
you know, would you say D-less actor? D?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm a D? C, C, C-less? I don't even know,
there's such a thing as D.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Okay, I guess you can't compare it to like, you
can't compare it to like an athlete.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
This is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
This is how it is when I'm auditioning.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You're in the D list, aren't you?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I can't even get on the C list.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I'm not even average.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I'm not even passing.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
What are athletes?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
The A list athletes are quarterbacks, period, end of story.
It's only a quarterback, right?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
No, not necessarily.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
A B would be like a wide receiver or something
like that. And then tight ends.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Well, Travis Kelsey is definitely up to you guys in
this game. Let's be real.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Your notoriety, like Kittle and everybody now that's like, tight
end's gotten cooler since you left the game.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
The coolest personalities all on here.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Shannon Sharve, all of them.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Got them all. Anyways, what was the question?
Speaker 2 (32:27):
What did you ask?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Did you ask a question?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Are you, do you think that there's a certain level
of fame that's like, you don't want to get to
just for out of comfortability?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
No, I think, you know, you want to get to
a point where you, people come up and say, hello,
that's my fame.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Like people say, hey, what's up?
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I loved you growing up or I watched your show
or whatever the hell it is. And that's it. Not
even a picture.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Half the time, most of them are, hey, take a
quick pic, see you later.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And that's like one out of.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
20 or something.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, but you have some weird dudes that have like
crushes on you. Like weird, like, oh, Tony. I've had
grown men push me out of the way.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
To get to you. That doesn't happen too much anymore. Freaky. Yeah,
it doesn't happen too much anymore just because I've been
retired so long. That's true.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
It doesn't happen as much.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
But I think when you talk about someone like Dolly Parton,
and that's where her husband, I could see everywhere she goes,
it is like, whoom. Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
And we've been around people that are that famous.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yes. We talk about Dennis Rodman, the time we met.
I remember going out with him in 1999, in 1998.
At his peak.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And this was like, poof.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
When he was dating Madonna.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Well, he wasn't dating Madonna at that time. He was
Carmen Electra back then, whatever it was. But walking down
the street one time in Miami, we're walking. By the
time we got to the end of the corner, there
must have been 150 people behind us.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Just Pipe Piper. little mice rats, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
What that story was, mice or rats, whatever it was,
following him. Or as soon as he'd walk into the club,
the door would just get slammed. So that type of celebrity,
that's ridiculous. I don't think nobody wants that. I don't
think that's good for anybody's psyche. And that's where I
think Dolly Parton was.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Like, you know where she goes. And so I could
see the husband saying, I don't want any part of that.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Otherwise, I'm not getting married to that. Right.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Like I'll see you when you get to the house.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
And you go out.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I am so grateful that you and I can like
be in Europe and walk the streets and go get
a cappuccino and like sit out at a cafe like
without people bothering us. Like I would, it would annoy
me if every second we were bothered by a fan.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
And that's a lot on a relationship. So, I mean,
for them to make that marriage 60 years and with
all her fame and all that.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I love that she did that though.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Honestly, I love that she did that.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Did what?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Well, she said, okay. That's fine. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
She was down for it.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I get it that I'll see you back at the house. Yeah.
I'll see you when I get off tour and we'll
do dinner at the house.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Right? Because they didn't do, I'm sure they.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Weren't going out in public together.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
No, never.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
But she did mention one thing that sort of she
loved about him was they both shared the same dark
sense of humor. I also think that a sense of
humor and laughing and comedy in a relationship might be
like top two things that matter most in a relationship.
Come on.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It's key. Key.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Like you ain't going to make it 60 years if
you cannot laugh together.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Well, when you're laughing, that means you're not taking it
so seriously.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
And what's that serious?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Like anything in life.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
That's when you laugh, it's because, oh, shit, it's funny.
It's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
So if you don't have that in a relationship, I think.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Man, you're cruising.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Tick-tock, tick-tock. You are cruising.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It better be funny.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Because life's going to get you.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
How many times have you told me when I'm being
a nightmare– you know, a better man, a lesser man
would have left. Yeah. When Tony's really mad at me,
you guys who are listening, he will literally say, a
lesser man. And I know what he means by that.
He'll always follow it up with, like, good thing you're funny.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
You know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Like, it is true that, like, I entertain you, and
even when we're fighting, like, you think I'm absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And so that's kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
We talk about that, learning how to fight and not
taking it so damn seriously.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, it's not that serious unless it is, right? It's
not that serious unless it is, and it's usually not
that fucking serious.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
It's never that serious. It's never that serious. It's very rare.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Very, very rare.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
What could come up?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Think about it. Yeah. If you take away, if you
drink it too much or your addiction, obviously. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
But that's... What do they say?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Addiction.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
The three A's. Addiction, adultery... and abuse yeah so yeah
as long as those three ain't happening addiction adultery and
abuse three a's triple a triple a you're most of
the time you'll make it but even in those things
like people fight for their relationships and you know no
judgment but like those three things are typically the main
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reasons why people get divorced yeah and financial reasons obviously.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
And financial but even financial though i'm always like okay
unless somebody's being Crazy, overspending, has.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
A gambling habit. Again, that falls into like addiction. But yeah,
other than that.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
What are we fighting about?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Honey, cheers to being like Haroldine and Dolly Parton.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Haroldine?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
If we can make it 60 years, I'll be proud
of us.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I'll say for it. Do we click? Ching, ching?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Ching, ching.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Click, click. So what would you say are the rules
of our marriage? Every couple has like maybe an undisclosed
rule book.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
In their marriage.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
What would you say our unspoken rules are in our marriage?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Well, we've never written anything down.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
No, but I know, but we have them in our heads.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And people ask us that all the time.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Right. Because we have been together for 22, 23 years,
whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
23 years.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
23 years, right? Off and on. Not off and on.
I stopped counting.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Married, coming up on 20 next year. What are the rules?
I think you have to keep falling in love with
the person first.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Every five years because people change.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Damn right.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
And you have to fall in love with that version
of that person.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yeah. At the beginning you were, you were, you know,
we had no kids.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
There was carefree. I'm in love with this free version of,
of you.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
That lasted five minutes. I was pregnant literally within a year.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah. But we, but we were off and on for
about two years, two, three years. And then we got,
and then we did get married and then, and then,
and then you have kids. Okay. And so that, Now,
so that old Toby is gone and I think you
have to fall in love with that new version. Yeah.
And then in the year 10, you know, now we
have teenagers or elementary school kids.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
You fall into that version.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
You fall into that version. Once we have this empty
nester thing coming on, it's like, you're going to change.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I'm going to change. You have to because no longer
are we worried about these damn kids anymore because they're
on their own. They're out doing their own thing. And
so you have to fall in love with that version
of that person. I just feel like I've always, and we've,
we've done, what do you call that when you, When
you get married again? What's that called?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Oh, vow renewal.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Vow renewal.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah. We've done that. We did it at five years.
We did. We're going to do it again for 20.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, we are. So, and a lot of people don't know,
we had a commitment ceremony.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
That's a long story. We'll talk about that some other episode.
But we had a commitment ceremony. And then, which basically
is we got married. We just didn't sign a piece
of paper in front of our family and God and
the traditional sense. And then five, what about.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Six years later, We actually had to go get married
at the courthouse. But we did go to- For death
and taxes. For death and taxes. They forced you to
get married.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
So romantic.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
And then we got married again with... We went to Paris. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And we did it underneath the Eiffel Tower.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah. And then we're going to do it again next year.
So I just think little stuff like that, at least
that's my... One of the rules. That's true.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
And speaking of you falling in love with each other
in every version of each other, I mean, like this
perimenopause version has really taken you down to the.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Tough.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
To the nubs, hasn't it?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Don't like it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I know, I apologize, but I am aware of- It's tough.
It's an out-of-body experience sometimes, but- A lot of.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Divorce, do a lot of divorce happen, right?
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well, if you think about the age and the time
that divorce usually happens, it is around the perimenopause age
that women are going through these things. It's like our personality,
we're just so edgy and irritable and sweaty.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
And- Short.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Golly.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Unrealistic.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Go on.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Ridiculous at times.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Get it out. Get it out.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yes, and I've been working on it, and I'm getting
through it, and it's hard on us, too. It sucks,
but I get it.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
You guys, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I know. You're always having those hot flashes, and you
have to tell everybody when you're having a hot flash.
That's what I found, and not just you, your friends,
I won't name names, who are going through the same thing.
It's like you get a hot flash, and it's like
you have to announce it. You have to tell everybody,
guess what? I'm having a hot flash, and.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
It happens a lot.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
You don't like that?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I just don't understand why you keep saying it.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
We just want empathy.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Because it happens a few times a day. It's like
somebody saying, I have to go to the bathroom. Hey,
I gotta go to the bathroom. Okay, go. I'm having
a hot flash and you grab my hand and put
it on you. Okay, same thing three hours ago.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Honestly, I announce it because it's so strange to me.
I can't believe this is happening to my body. It's
a weird feeling. It's a weird sensation. It's like, what
is this? I need somebody else to recognize how weird
this is. It It's something that's never happened to me before.
It's not like I have to go to the bathroom.
I've never had hot flashes before in my life. And
all of a sudden, my whole face feels like it's
on fire. And I'm like, I can't catch my breath.
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I'm like, what is happening to my body?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, but it's been, how long has Perry been with us?
He's been with us, what, four?
Speaker 1 (41:36):
I don't know, maybe a year? Is it coming on?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I guess, yeah. Coming around? Yeah, but I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's getting better, don't you think? Like my attitude?
Speaker 3 (41:45):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Okay. You know what?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
That's part of it, though. I think that's another thing.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Like, you've got to have compassion. You've got to be
like a little bit of empathy. You're going through it.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's a tough thing.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
No, you don't. It's probably like going through puberty.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
It's reverse puberty for women. Right?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
No?
Speaker 3 (42:06):
No.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
This is so much worse.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
It's worse? Yes.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
This feels like the last trimester.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Got mood swings.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
This feels like the last trimester of my pregnancy, which
I don't know if you remember where I.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, I felt like I needed an exorcism. But like
I do feel like there's bouts of those feelings where
I'm like full of rage and I have to catch
my breath. It's hormones. It's what it is. Anyway, thank
you for, you know, toughing this out with me at
this phase of life.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
And we will.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
We're going to get through it.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I think you should probably go for a walk sometime.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
And clear your mind.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
You're probably right.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
We never talked about that, but yeah. Because you haven't
asked me my opinion on what you should do.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah, no, no, no, care. No, just kidding. I do care.
I will take a walk. I'll do that.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
No, you won't.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
No, you won't.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I want to take you down with me.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I want you to.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Feel my feelings. No, I will. I'll take a walk.
I'll shelter you from my experience.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Okay, what other rules do we have? I think we
talked about this before. Fighting. I think when you do fight.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Fight clean.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Fight fair.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Clean as in don't call names. Don't scream and yell.
Slam doors. Be violent, obviously.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
But we don't call.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Because you've been in that type of relationship. I had
never had that.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
I've never. The relationships I had before I met you
never was. I never went through something like that where
you argue and you.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Call each other. I mean, I was so young.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Cursing at each other. Cursing each other out.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
And I've seen.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
But it doesn't mean that it can't work. You saw
The Notebook. They yelled at each other, didn't they?
Speaker 1 (43:32):
The Notebook.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Remember that movie?
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Of course I remember that movie.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
With Ryan Gosling.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
If you're a bird, I'm a bird.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I don't know all that.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I saw it one time. But I remember in the movie,
they were yelling. And at the end, doesn't he say, like, hey,
we fight.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
This is just us. This is just us.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Oh, yeah, this is what we do.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
This is what we do. And then it's, like, romantic.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
So it works for some people.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
But I think that's bad advice.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
And that's the movies, honey.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
That's probably caused a lot of divorce. Because people are like, oh,
I'm going to be like the notebook. See, it's totally normal, babe.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
And he starts cussing her out. And you're like, that
doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
No, this isn't the movies.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I don't believe in that at all.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
No, this isn't the movies. You need, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
And we believe in laughter during a fight.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
That's true. You're a ridiculous fighter, but we'll save that
for another podcast because you're absolutely ridiculous when we fight
in the most funny way. But yeah, I think that
those are the rules. Fight fair, fall in love with
the person as they change, and comedy, laugh. It's not
that serious.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, I think rituals too. We have good rituals, like
morning coffee. If you can, I know some people out there,
you probably don't have time for that. You've got jobs
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I call it. Tuesday with Maury.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
We're lucky.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Lucky to be able to hang out with each other.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
My old man I like to have coffee with. I
like it.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Best part of my day.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Is it? Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
I know we said we'd save this for another episode,
but I have to talk about how ridiculous you are
when we do fight and why it actually works for us.
It's because you guys who are listening, Tony, I would
get up and show you, but he literally in his rage,
and I mean like I really have to push him
to be angry.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I've taken you to your limit.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
And you will stand up in that moment and you
will bite your fist, clench your fist and bite it
as hard as you can. Yeah. And then jump into
a karate kick, like a high kick karate kick. And
then you'll take like an imaginary stick and break it
over your knee. Like I'm, I'm the stick.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, you are.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
And you're karate chopping me and you're biting your fist. Like,
could you try not to punch it at me? And
it's all of these movements and these ridiculous movements I
don't karate moves that take me out of the complete
reason we were arguing like in the first place. And
I'm like, you are the most ridiculous human I've ever
(45:46):
seen in my life.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
And it's great. It works because then all of a
sudden I don't even remember what we were fighting about.
I'm looking at you be a ridiculous human being.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
And I'm not doing it for you.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Well, I know you're doing it for you. You're getting
it out.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
I'm taking myself out of it too because I'm so
angry and so frustrated.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
And, uh, Disheartened.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Disheartened.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Yeah. Wow. Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
I feel very.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Utterly disappointed in the human being that you are.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
It is ridiculous what is going on here right now. So, yeah,
I think it's important to take yourself out of it. Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
The best way you can.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Say the most ridiculous shit you can think of.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Like, speak in tongues at an imaginary person. Like, turn
around and start talking.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Right, right.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Heal you. Pretend that you're... That's another one. You could
pretend that you're healing somebody. Just get into your imagination
and go crazy in that imagination. And go crazy.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
I mean, this might be good advice.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
It gets all the tension out.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I think it gets all the... It's like some people, what,
punch a pillow? You could punch a pillow or something.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Scream into a pillow.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
That's beneath you.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
It just sounds childish. Oh, yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
I'm glad we have our limits. Okay.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Well... But you, because you want to keep going. You
want to keep fighting. And most people do. I think
most people do want to keep fighting. Like they feel
so good when you're in the argument and you're expressing
yourself and you're like, oh, this is smart. Like I'm
saying something. And I know a lot of the times
(47:24):
it's probably not even making sense what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Look, at the end of the day, what did we say?
You have to take things lightly. Nothing is that serious.
And if what you're fighting about is that serious, she'll
come back around and you'll talk about it more. And
you'll address it more. But it's like in that moment,
like it's just doesn't need to escalate. And you do
such a good job at deescalating the situation. And I
think that's a huge win for us in our relationship.
(47:48):
I think that's why we've lasted so long is because
it's just we never let it go too far. It's
like we never let it get past the point of
no return or to the point where we say things
or do things that we can't take back. Like in marriages,
like people go Full throttle, like say some shit that
they're like, oh, I can't believe I said that. I
can't believe that came out of my mouth. And the
other person just never forgets it. They carry it with
(48:10):
them forever and you can't unsee it. You can't unfeel it.
It's always there. So it's like, we've done really well
at not letting it get to that point. And I
think that's, that's huge.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I think complimenting each other.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
It's a good rule. We do that a lot.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Complimenting.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah. In the sense, I know what, yeah, you like,
you look pretty like that.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I like your hair like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Just something you're not a.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Big noticer but you know you don't think so like
really i mean like if i have a new like
get my hair colored or i get a new anything yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
I probably won't notice that but you look pretty you'll
say i look pretty yes not.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Very detailed no no no not a detail i think
most men are like that too most men some men.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I have some girlfriends that are married to producers and
it's like they get the real compliments like i've really
i noticed i noticed your toenail color It's nice. Yeah,
that's not happening. You cut your hair a little bit.
You trimmed it, I noticed. I'm like, ooh, that must
be nice.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
That's weird to me.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
I know. To notice that weird stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
It's not weird stuff, I guess.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
For you to notice.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
I remember I was sitting in.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
A meeting when I was playing for the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
And this lady was on stage talking. And she... a
pretty lady.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
And the guy next to me, he leans over and
he goes, look at her shoes. And I guess her
shoes were kind of dirty.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
And I was like, I didn't, what do you, Tony
was like, I couldn't take my eyes off her legs,
her chest, a lot of other parts before I got
to her shoes.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
You looked at her shoes? What are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
And so what did he say afterwards?
Speaker 3 (49:47):
I always notice stuff like that. I notice the little details.
And I was like, I don't have that. I don't
think I have that in me. I don't know why
I told that story.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
It just makes sense to me. No, you don't, honey.
You're not a detail-oriented person. And I appreciate it. sometimes,
you know? Because on the flip side of that, a
guy that looks at all the details is going to
notice if you have one hair out of place, and
I don't want some guy doing that to me.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Is that what you want me to nitpick?
Speaker 3 (50:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
God, no. Thank God.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
But on the flip side, you will nitpick. You'll nitpick.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
Oh, yes.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
There's enough nitpicking for us to last a lifetime. Yeah,
you will nitpick.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
I'm a professional nitpicker. Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. But it's fine.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Peck, peck, peck.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
You just can't take it seriously.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
As you say.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Well, honey, this has been very fun. Thanks for hanging
out with me.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
It was good. First episode. We're off to the races now.
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
20 years now on podcasts. We just get more and
more time together.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
I think people will like it.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I hope so.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Are we going to be okay?
Speaker 3 (50:41):
We're going to be fine.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
I think we're going to be great.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
We're going to be all right.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Well, guys, you can stream us on any platform. Hit subscribe, download,
do all the things, and we'll see you soon.
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