May 26, 2026 • 61 mins
Singer-songwriter Rachael Yamagata joins Norah for a catch-up on music, life, and what’s next. Norah shares how she first discovered Rachael’s songs, and they perform duets, with Rachael taking Norah’s place at the piano for a tune and coming together on a sweet French love song. Recorded 11/17/25.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You
can visit Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe
while you're there. Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm
playing along with Rachel Yamagata. I'm just playing long Weuy,
I'm just playing lone Weazy.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hi. Welcome to the show. I'm Nourra. This is Sarah Oda.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Welcome to our show. Today we have the incredible Rachel Yamagata.
She's a singer, songwriter, guitarist, and a pianist with a
critically acclaimed catalog of very honest and personal songs.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, she's a great singer.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I've been a fan of hers since that first album
came out. I was a big fan of that album
that was back in two thousand and three or four,
And yeah, I was excited to have her here.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, her voice is very unique. It really resonates with
so many listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I feel like we actually first met.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I already was a fan of her music, but we
met on the set of thirty Rock for this big
episode they did about the Just Give a Kidney, the
kidney donation episode. It's full of crazy musicians and that's
where we first met.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's really funny. I just rewatched it. Oh yeah, cracking up.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It was fun to talk about that. So you'll hear
about that.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
You'll hear about what she's kind of been up to
lately musically and otherwise. And also beautiful duets including a
French love song.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, this was great.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I hope you enjoyed this episode me hanging out with
Rachel Yamagata. There is some spicy language in this episode,
so listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's not that bad, but just so you know it's there.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
What's that big place in Austin that everybody plays during
south By Southwest?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's like a bar venue something.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
There's an upstab us, so you were playing at stubs
and every A and R person in the world.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Oh during south By that year south By it was
like two thousand and two.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Two thousand and two. Yeah, I think I had just started.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I don't even know if I maybe I had an
EP out and it was packed and every every hobnob
person in the world was there. You played a fuall
as gorgeous set and it was I feel like people
were you know, you were on the in the middle
and then people were just surrounding. It wasn't like a
stage or a little bar on the side something. Yeah,
(02:32):
and then it was incredible.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Everyone erupted.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
There was some other woman who had to go after you,
another artist, I don't remember who it was, and the
whole crowd was just ushering towards you and wanting to talk.
And it was almost like you just did the coolest move.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You didn't talk to maybe you said brief hello, like.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
What did I do?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
You turn around, went right back and sat on the
floor in front of this person who had to play,
so that every single person hob nabby shnobbies stayed to watch,
and it was like that was the only way that
crowd was going.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
To stay in the room. And I was just watched
it and I was like, class act. I love her.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I like that person too, I know that person.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh my god, it was amazing sweet. So I tell
people that, oh, yeah, it was beautiful. That's so long ago.
Well it was so long ago. Yeah, first impression, that's
so great.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, oh now you have me built up in your mind.
Oh my god, and all these other things that are probably.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Not as nice. I hear so many beautiful things.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
So I'm I'm just really happy to finally talk to
you and meet you.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm so happy because when your first album came out,
When did that come out?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Was it two thousand and three, two thousand and three
or four? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I think it might have been three or four. Yeah,
I think it was four. Actually, I remember reading about.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You and be like who she? And then I listened
to that album so much.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Really, I loved that.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh thanks, I still love it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I was listening to it preparing for this and I
was like, I know this album like the back of
my hand.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, I'm so excited.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So I've been a fan since back then too.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
So funny, and we have mutual people in common over
the years, for sure. I worked with Jesse Harris early earlier,
I think, yeah, I think we wrote some songs together.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And of course you know Pete Pete, so there's many
many a flotation around. It's so cool.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, I've been to your house before also, I know,
which is funny because you weren't there.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
That's right, right, it's crazy, right, it's insane.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Like I was like, oh my.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
God, you left a really sweet note.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I remember that because you guys filmed a podcast we.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Did like some intros there for us and you built
us a fire at least he said you built it.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So yes, I probably did. That's nice. We've Yeah, it's so.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Crazy, and now we're neighbors with Sarah and it's just
like small world.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I know, it's great crazy. Well.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I love your new album. It's so beautiful. Thank you, Yeah, congrats,
thank you so much. The labor of love. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Did you do a lot of it at your house?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
We did most of it at the house, a little
bit at uh my friends and longtime collaborator on many thanks,
Michael Chavis. He has a place out in Pine Mountain Club,
which is a little town outside of LA like an
hour in the mountains. So we did a little bit
out there, a little at a local studio, Utopia, and
(05:45):
you probably know Utopia. It's reading the Bears full call
I've heard. But most in the house.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's cozy, cozy.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, cats, rain storms, yeah, how many cats the fire?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Three cats? Three cats of squirrels?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, very woods.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's a very woody place and it almost feels like
a treehouse, even though it's not high.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, I guess it's kind of in the mountain. It's
kind of it's a little too much tree.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
But like I'm always like sometimes I'll set up a
table in the driveway because I'm like, here's where the
sun is today, and I just need a little sun. Yeah,
but yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Very pleased to be there. Yeah, a little secluded spot.
That's great.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, do you want to do a song from the
new autum?
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Do you think we could do break Apart break Heart? Yeah? Sure,
I love this one, thank you. This one was actually on.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
A different album, Oh know which one, maybe tightrope Walker.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I tend to take like a lot of time between
the records, so I just forget.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
How many times how much time this time? This one
was nine years.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Wow, But I don't count three of the years because
it was like twenty twenty, twenty twenty three, Like.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That doesn't count. That doesn't count, no, but everybody's counting
in articles.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
But yeah, tightrope Walker came out in twenty and fourteen.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think I'm sixteen, who knows, But you've done a
lot of stuff between.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I do a lot of touring, Yeah, yeah, a lot
of touring and then a couple random epees here and there.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, it's not like you're not just sitting around squirrels.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
One question. Yeah, no, not on this one. I was
on the other one.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
If it's wrong, it's because I did something wrong. Just
know that. Don't be like that. Don't be that.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
It's a badge of honor. I paved the way for
people who are nervous.
Speaker 9 (08:07):
Please, baby, Please don't go.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Please baby, I need you now walk in the world
with foalue. It just won't because I gave warn your card.
(09:06):
No body loves that I can do.
Speaker 10 (09:20):
No body May movie Eler. You don't fall.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
For me to. I'm gonna relay Apollo comple.
Speaker 10 (10:01):
Baby, Please, don't you lie. Don't say it's not all.
Say it's not a time.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Nothing could stuck mill now fro Why an't you because
I again so oh you're you're no the loaves.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Like you do.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
No. But in May movie.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Helloa, you don't fall.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Fall me to. I don't wanna release Apa. I'm I'm
(11:49):
gonna breathe into a million, he said, as world.
Speaker 10 (12:01):
You if you don't fault.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
For me to.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
June Night, if you don't.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Fall for me to.
Speaker 11 (12:28):
Lie, Oh my god, you are beautiful.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
You are my voice, your voice, You're playing.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
God, I love that song. You just have the most
beautiful touch on it. It's just beautiful. Thank you. Hello
piano player. I clank a lot. I'm a piano.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, I'm not a big like listen back. I think
I should have been. It might have made a big difference.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Really well.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I don't like.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Reviewing things when they've just happened. I like to ride
the like energy of whatever the show was. But I
think you can learn a lot by listening and seeing
how it's translating. And I only started doing that because
it freaks me out, so.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I know, I'm a little pounder. It's not the fun part.
It's not the fun part.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
No, Yeah, but I think that's cool that you don't
want to do that. Most people overthink things and then
they perfect it until it's soulless, you know. So yeah,
it's better to not do that. Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Yeah you play guitar grate too.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
What came first? Piano first?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah, I took lessons for a year when I was twelve.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And then the.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Teacher who was great, but she kept trying to stop
me from moving and because I did this at.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
The piano all the time, and I was like this isn't.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Fun And the t T tata math part, I was like,
I'd rather learn it by ear. I did take music theory,
but I failed it twice in school and I was like,
so I came up on that and then but I
just kept playing piano.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I loved it. I'd find those empty rooms more.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
By ear, colleges, bite ear and just like meandering things
new real purpose behind it. And then I didn't pick
up guitar until I started writing songs.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, did you find it easier to write on guitar
because it was like more basic in a way, or
I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I wish I want to learn more chords because I
tend to write the same chord formation just because I
don't know what I'm doing on guitar, and I find
it easier on piano, know for some really and yeah,
funny because I like dissonance a lot and I like
just sort of I have to write out all the
(15:08):
letters of every single really chord, okay, to know there's
a lot of arrows and.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You have a whole system that's percent you. Yeah, I
try and share it. She published those. I mean it's
great because if I ever lose them, everybody's like, I
don't know what this is, it's going to help them. So, yeah,
how about you?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I well, I mean I started on a piano, and
then I think when I moved to New York, I
started playing guitar because I didn't have a piano yet.
And then I started writing songs on guitar. It was
a simpler more because I learned jazz piano at first,
and so everything had a seventh chord or like an alteration,
and I couldn't write. I don't know, I didn't really
(15:51):
write on it. And then when I started playing guitar
and it was just playing these simple chords, then melodies
and lyrics came easier.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, yeah, crazy. And then do you play bass as well? No,
I have a drums. I feel like I dabble. Isn't
that fun?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It's so fun? Do you play drums?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I think it's the hardest instrument to play. Yeah, like
I I cannot. I'm good at tambourine. I had roles
in previous bands on a tambourine, and I've tried playing drums, and.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
But once you sit.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Down and try, it really gives you an appreciation for
an incredible drummer.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Like I used to you know, I'd look back and
be like, why can't you play this?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Or like switch that, And then I was like, please,
never give you a commentary again, like yeah, it's really hard.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It's hard, but it's so fun.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well, I mean I only plays very simple back beats
in the band. Put some boots, yes, Sasha, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
But.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's so fun. Yeah yeah, so great.
Speaker 8 (16:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Now I want to play more drums. I want to learn.
I think I want to do like a string instrument.
Oh yeah, always to do that.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I picked up the fiddle once for about a few months,
and that was something I really wanted to do, and then
I had a kid and.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I forgot about it.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I got the kids.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I think it was while I was pregnant and I
was just kind of nesty and I was like, I
want to play the fiddle.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
That's amazing. Then I haven't touched it.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I wonder if you if you did, if there'd be
a reaction. I wonder. Yeah, I don't know, I should
try that. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I don't think you remember at this point.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
You never.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
So did you sing from an early age.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
A little bit in like different choirs, like school choirs.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
In high school? There was a thing called the swing choir.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Where you like dance and do those kind of things.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Familiar with you.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Did you do what I wasn't in the one In
my high school they had a show choir. Yeah, but
I was in like the jazz singers, which was less dancy.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I love to dance, but I'm not a great dancer,
but I love doing it, and so this was fun.
And then I did music theater stuff and did you
do plays and things like that?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I maybe in junior high junior high. Yeah, I went
to an arts high school. So once I got there,
it was very focused on jazz, yes, because it was
more special specialty.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
And then you started playing the late night clubs early, right, How.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Old were you?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I mean I was in college in Denton, Texas and
for two years and I really just played restaurants and
I was in a band that had a few gigs
where I sang and I was the front person, which
was very awkward for me because I was not I
was not a great front person.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I'm still not.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It's hard, yeah, because I'm used to being behind an instrument,
so I never had to learn that.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Skill of like working the crowd or moving.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
It's such an other area of showmanship that it's not
necessary a natural thing.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Unless it is totally natural.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, yeah, and I I think I've also seen so
many people do it where I'm like cringing a little,
So I don't ever want to do that.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, I don't want to be unnatural.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
And it's almost like you have to start it out
of the gates. It's like you can't adopt sort of
a showmanship style. Yeah, if people start knowing you see,
I think your voice is so velvety and layered that
that's the commanding attention, I think it would be.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Well, but I do know what you mean because I
remember at some point I got realated to Tom Waits,
and my drummer at the time, Andrew Borger, used to
play with him, and he was talking about how he
has all these things that he does on stage that
you know, there's like dust on his coat, he's like
(19:55):
stage dust, and like really also he plans it all,
he's just not and he's like, yeah, there's something theatrical
about it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And then I started wanting to do something like that.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
And then yeah, it felt weird to just start doing
something very effect like different, even though it doesn't seem
affected if you start out doing it. I mean, like
I wanted to wear wigs and yeah, you know, wear different.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
I know me too, Like I love that idea. I
saw Tom Waits and he had he did he had
the piano was on a platform. It was a wooden
platform covered and saw ust, so that when he would
smash his boot for the first time he'd hear it
was like a drum kick drum under it and the
sawdust would come up and so cool.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I thought that was it was beautiful.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, it was like, I don't know, it's it's tricky
little stage production things that add a little element could
be something, or we could just like come out in spacesuits.
I think I would see that show, but I think.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I would feel too too self conscious about that.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, you know it now.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, you know like David Boy, you know, he always
changed it up, but he was always.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Doing something so different. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Do you ever stand up and sing without playing an
instrument at your shows?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Every now and then.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I have a song called Elephants, and I was doing
that a cappella a little bit, and that was fun
because that's how I wrote it.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
So it had a thing that was kind of magical.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
And and then depending on where it is, I'll do
some I'll do a lot of touring in Asia, and
there's a different audience energy with my songs in Asia
for me, where we can stretch it a little bit
(21:46):
so that I will take the mic off and run
around and be a very sort of fun different front.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So you're like, there's total which was hot, fun pop
icon in Agent.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
I mean, wouldn't that be nice? No, it's not quite that,
but it is like more. It feels like otherworldly in
that way. I think because they discovered my early records
later after I had a good sort of run as
(22:19):
my solo career in the States, and so I felt
like it was newer for them in a way and
I could try a little more out.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
That's so fun.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, you guys go over there a lot, right.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
We do all over Yeah, a lot. And I've gone
to Korea many times. South Korea, China We've been going
to I've been there about like seven or eight times, Taiwan, Thailand, Singapore.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, just different realms. It's very fun. That is fun. Yeah,
do you ever go international anymore?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I do, but I haven't been anywhere like that in
a very very long time.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I go to Japan a lot, like every few years. Yeah,
but I yeah, I'm kind of overdue for the rest.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
After I had kids, I feel like I had to
sort of limit everything.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Sure, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, Well you're a workhorse in terms of so many projects.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
That's the other thing is like p used to tell me,
I was like, you'd get off the road. I'm like,
what is she? What's she doing now? She's going in
to record.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
A Christmas song or a new record, or she's you know,
and she's sitting in over here.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I'm like, man, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
It's really I read this book, the Patti Smith Just
Kids Book. Yeah, I kicked my ass in terms of
like a sorry, I don't know if I'm allowed to
say that. Yeah, leave that kicked my kicked my booty
into what it can mean to do some form of
art every day and live an artistic life style on
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a consistent basis of and for no other than just
doing it, like writing a poem and doing a painting,
writing a song, whatever it is. And you strike me
as somebody sort of akin to that, just consistently creating
and showcasing what you find.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And it's beautiful. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Do you have any other artistic things you do?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I rearrange furniture. I mean that's like, that's like you
need an outlet. I love the kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, sort of making making spaces excuse me. And I
always think there's a there's a an avenue for collapsible
stage decore that needs to happen, like things for that
can squish and.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Fit but looks but looks cool. It looks like a
big vision and I.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Would rent it if you make it. I'm always looking
for something to put on the stage.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, I know. Well, Barbara Streisen does that. Oh my gosh,
she has a trailer. It was amazing. That makes it
feel like her living room. That's nice. Yeah, so you
do like a blow up version, I think totally.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I mean I'm really seeing this whole alien spacesuit couch
living room.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
I don't know if this is I think.
Speaker 11 (25:17):
But I think I think they could.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
He just hasn't been done yet, which is me. Yeah,
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Well, I'm not good at sitting still, I've realized, But
at the same time I want to. Yeah, you know,
so sometimes I feel like I've done this since the beginning,
when when I get off a big long tour and
I don't have anything to do. The sidebands have been
really great for that because it's a way to play
music without having to think about the next big thing. Sure,
(25:44):
but also like I'll take a pottery class right now,
I'm taking a painting class.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It's so good. It's my favorite thing to.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Do, all kind of painting, oil all. Yeah, it's just fun.
It's great having a hobby that's not music. Yeah, and
it's hard to do it. Yeah, to remember that it's
nice to do, you know, it's hard to remember to
do it.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah, to take it's good to have your your creative
channel in something that has no we really are like
learning and new something that you've never done.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
But this podcast is so fun for me because it's
it's creative, but it's.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Also kind of loose, which is how I am. Yeah.
I hate to practice, me too.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So if I didn't have all this stuff going so hard, Yeah,
I wouldn't be playing if I didn't have any reason
to like a gig or something to do.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yeah, same same with me. Yeah, yeah, I just rearranged from.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Everybody comes come over again. You'll see it totally different. Yeah,
I'll help you. Please start a business of interior design.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
We just come over, you have to leave. We have
eight hours. We get to do whatever we want. I
have a friend who that She's like, we should open
a design company.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
She's like, yeah, I just don't want.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Anybody's feedback, and I'm like, I agree totally.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, you're not trying to drum up a business one yelp.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
If you let us do whatever we want.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I like that idea.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Yeah, it would be fun.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Obviously, will you play piano for me?
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Okay to sweet I don't think I played your piano
when I was at your house. It's dark Hawaii, but
it's heavy, which I like. Yeah, I like a dark piano.
This one's kind of dark. Yeah, beautiful. So this is
a song from your new album. This is the first
song on that. Yeah, it's backwards deep, the deep one.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It's got some depth to Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
We did have a debate about is that the right
title or the right song choice to do as a
first Yeah, first song, and then it just made and
actually ended up making sense with the flow of the record.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
It's hard to sequence a record, really hard. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Be no use, Steve. If I can't be good for myself,
I can make it better for any body else with
sides gone, turn off.
Speaker 12 (28:48):
Outy, nothing's gone to change until I do.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
I can't be no use, steal. If I can make
the summer, I can make it better than can.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
Face the soul.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
It would be so easy to say easy unless what
I feel.
Speaker 13 (29:24):
I don't know, the want a little back end, regret
it all that staying here.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
And made it silight, gold, turn of fit and empty
house back.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
There's not a place that I can be so far
from with them.
Speaker 14 (30:05):
I'm scared, and yet I'm not. I'm no way you
are you with me inside?
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Lord, You'll always be, You're all loving for me.
Speaker 10 (30:26):
I'm just afraid slipping backwards.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Back. There's not a place that I can be. Oh,
I am so litening and you're not in front of me.
Speaker 13 (30:56):
Babies, the lasting that had ever wanted to.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Go leave you now, Maybe it's some wrong and that
you find a widower.
Speaker 13 (31:18):
Spaving again, sern O n Maybe side God her tell
of fan and empty house.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Fact this not please that I can be.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
That songs so sad.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Had you written a lot of these songs, had you
had them kicking around for a long time, or how
did it all come about for this record?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Like in twenty nineteen, I finished a lot of touring,
a couple rounds of asia US, and then I had
a batch of them, and I had taken twenty twenty
off and saved up all this money to go make
a record in twenty twenty, and then twenty twenty hit
and it was everything changed for everybody. And during that
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time I actually wrote a few more songs. I realized
I wrote almost every song on the same key, so
and it just became a mean doing something. And so
I actually went in and started trying to demo them,
five of them as like a short film or a
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short in my head, like just something that bled one
into the other. And I started playing with transitions, and.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Then as time went on, I built sort of more
songs around it.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
And that's where the figuring out the order and the
you know, time change from the perspective I had when
I first started writing the record versus when after going
through that change, some of it infiltrated, of course, and then.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
And then we started recording in twenty twenty three and four. Okay,
something like that, Yeah, I'm doing little bits and pieces.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
But then I had spent all the money that I
had saved to make the record, so I had to
go out and tour again, gotcha to sort of fillip
count and then we went pretty hard. Well, I guess
twenty three is when we really started digging in and then.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Okay, yeah, yeah, people don't realize that you have to
spend money to yeah, pay musicians and three times.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
So many people just do stuff at home on their computers.
But it's so nice to work with people and collaborate.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
It's so beautiful. Yeah, yeah, it's it's funny. It's a
the model is changing. I think it has to change
for different levels of artists. And yeah, financially, I just
finished a run and it's you know, it's it's like, wow,
I spent a lot of money on sort of to
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go out and do it. I'm like, I wonder I
had discussion just doing it at the level that I'm at.
It's sort of like it's it's I have a lot
of friends sort of where I'm at, and people have
to cancel tours because it's just the cost to do it.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, I've heard of that happening so much years.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Too, I think so so it's it's always nice to
figure out new avenues of creativity, and even something like this,
which is contained in its own space and a certain respect,
is like so beautifully inspiring and wonderful.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And yeah, yeah it's fine. It's it's in the hole though,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
It costs money to do it.
Speaker 11 (35:27):
It does.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
It's fine for now, but yeah, I don't know. I
know it'll ever get out of the hole.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I know, you know, it's definitely like a I think
things will change.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
I do have high high hopes for sort of the
evening out of what is you know, important and crucial
and stirs your heart and compensation that makes it so you.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Can keep going at it, I hope.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
So.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I mean, I think people love to see live music,
but at the same time, people don't want to leave
their houses.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I know me too.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
I know it takes a lot to get to choke.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah, I kind of stopped inviting people to shows if
I don't expect anyone to want to leave their house. Yeah,
like friends and stuff. Sure, Yeah, yeah, it's so hard.
It's really hard people get out of battled in. It's true,
and it's a whole evening. It's not just like the
comes to the show.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
I have to struggle. I mean, we have so many
great venues in Woodstock, and I have to really like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
It's going to be a ten minute draw.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Even that far.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I know, it's kind of nuts.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, they to psych yourself up for I do such
a funny age.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Maybe that's just our age.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I think there's a little bit of an age thing
there too.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I mean, most of my audience now is probably in
bed by night, and like that's a healthy Like they
if I play an early show, they're like, thank god,
that's civilized.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
I'm like, I agree, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I'm like, can I open for somebody? Yeah, late sound show,
go to bed. I know, I think that would be
my ideal gig.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I'm telling you, there's so many ideas happening right now.
Afternoon shows with alien costumes and sofas for everybody, sofas
for the musicians and class.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
For the four pm show. Actually that might even be
too late.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
One pm show one, I.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Like one if as soon as it starts getting dark,
I'm like, I'm try again tomorrow. I know.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It's so funny, crazy, Yeah, conversations. It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I'm like, I had other things I wanted to ask
you what they Oh, so, when you do tour Asia,
since it's a little bit of a different vibe, is
your audience younger?
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, you know what it spans.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
You know, I never even thought about it. It's it's
a pretty wide range. Yeah, it's a pretty wide range.
I would there probably is a bigger younger contingent just
because there might be signing the music younger.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
So fun, it's so fun.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's really it's intriguing to ask somebody younger,
how did you find this? You know, and I don't
even know what the channels. It's like a lot of
YouTube people are like your social media TikTok's the whole
all the things.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I think that's how they find a lot of things. Yeah,
those young people. Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
That's why if you do figure out the way to
get yourself out there in that way, it's good.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I wonder if we're moving into a time where we
all become curators and they'll come to you for you know,
you're introducing so many artists into your world and so there,
and you do so many different things or same like
if I'm doing you know, if I feed the squirrels
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whatever I do, if somebody said interested in that, Like,
but you're curating a world that I think that people
appreciate because there I just don't know if there's the
algorithms are really tricky.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
So I think, just be you and do what you
do and showcase your world. And I think that's all
you can do.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, And that used to be the advice people would
give when we were younger too and starting out playing music.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
You just do you do.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, it's the same kind of yeah theory, I guess.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I guess, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
But I think the younger generation is so having grown
up with it. I read this thing about how everyone
at the Grammys a couple of years ago, the young people,
they were all so good because they've grown up on camera.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
It's like a whole other thing right at performing that thing. Oh,
I don't even think about that.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
I know.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I didn't either until I read this somewhere and I was.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Like, oh, yeah, you're right, that's wild. I mean, I
guess in a way, the young young button was like
the Taos.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
They're just there's just no when it's how to turn
it on in a good way. Yeah, yeah, and it's
natural and like, you know, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That is so I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
But I heard there was a study where kids who
were using like the with the VR sets or the
gaming or that the tricky part was that the colors
are so vibrant and the sounds are so vibrant that
when you take it off and it's like you're looking
at sort of daily life, the excitement factor isn't there.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Your dopamine gets yeah, which was I had never thought
about that. That's interesting too, that's freaky.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
That is freaky. I mean, I know the dopamine thing
with phones and touchscreen. Yeah, it's really bad. So I
started the television the other day and I was like,
this is just a giant phone turned horizontally.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I'm like, why is this just occurring to me?
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Now?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
It's some time sucking me in. It is, but somehow
it doesn't feel as bad.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, But when I was a kid, I remember being
home from school, maybe watching eight hours of TV and
feeling like crap and knowing.
Speaker 7 (41:06):
That that did it.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
But it's still not the same.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
You knew that.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, it's not as bad. It's not as bad.
Speaker 6 (41:11):
Now, I'm like, yeah, please watch eight Hours.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, I mean not really, but I am. I know
over a screen it's wild, it's so wild. Yeah. Yeah, no,
I just sound like an old lady. I know me too, Like, no,
we're good, we're young.
Speaker 11 (41:28):
Edit all that out, like cool, I think we're super cool.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
You were really cool.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
So this new album are you going to do? Sarah's
was saying that you're doing like a string quartet version.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Or some of them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I did this living room in the house and.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
We got this incredible string quartet and who I found
because they do a lot of.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Playing with Natalie Merchant cool. I saw them play, I
was like, who are these They're amazing. Do they have
a name, like a band name. They don't have their
own name, but.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
And there's three cores and then I think they're searching
for their fourth. But we got really lucky because they're
summer split in the city, summer in Upstate. We had
never met, I had never played with a string quartet.
I had never played without headphones, and so we had
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like twenty people over and filmed this two day shoot
of seven I think six or seven songs and arranged
them and just sort of flew by the seat of our.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Pants and it was amazing.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
We had everything under the sun happened where you know,
there was a copperhead in the yard, and I thought
we'd film all these scenes in the yard.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
And I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
We he's the same guy, Cobra Kai. We got his number.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
He came over with the equivalent of like a wardrobe
pincher or whatever looking for I'm like, is that really
going to protect you?
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Looking for this snake?
Speaker 4 (43:15):
And you know that shifted where we're filming, and and
but yeah, we got some beautiful versions of the songs
and it was it was a magical two days that
I think we captured. So I'm gonna go through and
start sort of listening back to versions and and we'll put.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
The video piece of it together and release it early
next year. This sounds really beautiful. Yeah, just the sound
of strings in the room and your voice gorgeous. No headphones.
It was the no headphones was really interesting. Even with this,
I was like, oh, like, what's that going to be.
It's kind of wonderful. It's pretty nice. Yeah, if he
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can do it, yeah, it's just like, yeah, I was
gonna say rubbing.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Friction rubbing, but it sounded wrong. Then I got confused. Anyway,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
What you mean?
Speaker 5 (44:15):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (44:15):
I do. It's like intertwining, like atoms of texture exactly.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
We should write books.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I can't think of words anymore.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
Again. I'm so old.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I'm like, I'm starting to worry about my memory.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
I have a terrible memory.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Yeah, it's awful.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Have you done that thing where you walk into a room.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
And you're like, I know, I know I'm in here.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Some songs about it?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Yeah, I'm literally I have a song about it called
Staring at the Wall. And it's like I literally go
to every room and then I I leave the room.
I do something, but not the thing I meant to go.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Date. It's the phone for me. I think it's just
like sucked on my attention.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, it's fast. Everything's fast. It's one minute to the next,
minute to the next. That's why music is so nice.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I think it's like my only time to really just
be in the moment. Yeah, it's really hard to be
in the moment nowadays.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
And yeah, and it's more important than ever, right, Yeah, Like,
are you in the metaphysical interest world at all?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Of what does that mean? Like consciousness.
Speaker 6 (45:24):
Please explain more.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Oh guy, just like the importance of things that fascinated me.
I went on deep dives in twenty twenty. These the
idea that we're all energy waves. Everything matter is like
an actual just moving energy, and that we're interacting and
our consciousness is sort of intertwined and.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
We're collective, and these ideas of frequency and.
Speaker 7 (45:52):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Oh, it's amazing. You need to tell me more. I
will send you lots of things.
Speaker 5 (45:57):
Send me things.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
I will send you anything.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Does this line with like ways to elevate your consciousness?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (46:05):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (46:05):
For me? It? I think when you can maintain sort
of a frequency of gratitude, of love, of sharing, like
the highest that you can go, like on your best day,
and then you start seeing the reactions of what you
can encounter every day, and how it reiterates the idea
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that maybe we are co creating more than we think
we are, And especially when the world gets nuts and
there's so much zing on a consistent basis, this idea
of centering your own energy and grounding it and stillness
and breath work, and which I do because I chain smoke,
I mean I have to. I'm not saying I know
(46:52):
what I'm doing, but like there's a lot of like, yeah,
a lot to be gained in terms of like integrating
that so that what you're zinging out to the rest
of the world is more balanced, more peaceful, and then
that starts to shift things. It's just shifts my world
(47:13):
on a daily basis, and it's not easy. But the
more you investigate it, the more interesting it becomes.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
I like it. I'll send you some stuff, send me
some stuff. Do you have a practice you do every day?
I journal I do a lot of journaling. Do you
always do it in the morning or do you I'm
a morning person the first thing.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
Yeah, not every day, but I'll even like, you know,
sitting with the animals, the various animal yard animals that come.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
That does a lot for me.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
And it's nice that clears something because I wake up
with it to do list like almost me too ready
to go.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, and I have to stab myself from sending emails
too early or text bust.
Speaker 6 (47:54):
I know, I'm just ready to go.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Do you know who does that? Which I really appreciate. King,
She's an early morning tester and I love that.
Speaker 6 (48:04):
Yeah, because you are.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
Like and like Joan Osborne does it like there's a
couple of buddies who I'm like, they're up doing it,
Like I know that I could call any of them
and we could have a whole like I've already had
three cups of coffee conversation because you're on it.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
But yeah, I go the other direction.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
I don't even look at emails like great, I'm it's
a yeah, I'm just starting to get back into it.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I feel like emails kind of nobody looks at him anymore.
I wonder.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I mean, I think for business you have to sometimes
some people. Yeah, I don't think young people look at emails.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
I don't know that they.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
I don't think they do. But I don't even know
if they look at texts, Like there's probably I.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Don't know, but I will say I used to be
wordy as a text. Yeah, but now I can't even
read a paragraph.
Speaker 6 (48:56):
I can't focus on what somebody's saying.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Do you do the voice memo?
Speaker 9 (48:59):
Do it?
Speaker 1 (49:00):
I don't, And I hate I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
You don't.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
I don't like it when I get one because then
I have to stop and listen to it, and it's
like I always read the translation instead.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
You don't even know how to make the trans translation.
But yeah, that's one of my things. Taking time out,
I'm going to learn all these things about like foul
folders and computers and not to back up the computer.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
And it's such a list of.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Like I know that the voice text thing is good
in a way, but I just I think I'm too
wrapped up in doing stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, I have a heart, you have a full plate.
I do, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I mean, it's not that I do, it's that I Yeah,
sometimes I just get wound up, you know, I understand.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah, as I drink more coffee, I think you drink
more coffee. Well this is so fun.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Are you going back out on tour?
Speaker 8 (49:48):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (49:49):
Not yet.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
I'm gonna Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
I think the string quartet EP whatever that will become
is the main priority.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Do you think you'll tour with the strings? You know,
I do a few special things.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
I just came off a run that had violin and
cello and Michael Chavis, who plays a little bit of everything,
and that arrangement was really nice. We played rooms that
already had real acoustic pianos in them and and that
had a thing to it, and I really love that.
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So if there's a way to kind of continue.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
That, I would do that. Yeah, I would love to
do that. Yeah, that would be nice. Yeah, so you
tour the small band usually it just depends. Yeah, do
you have a tour solo?
Speaker 1 (50:37):
I have?
Speaker 2 (50:38):
I have, and I love it because you Okay, yeah,
I've never.
Speaker 11 (50:41):
Done it really no, really.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
No, I think I just it feels too hard or
also boring, maybe like I'm afraid I'll get bored by myself.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
I bet I get that. I get the internal thing
of like, but.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
You're not alone in your interact.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
You are, so I forget that. Oh and people would
love it.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
They would be just they would eat it up like
it's it's scary, right, the idea is scary, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
But it's intimate and in a way that is beautiful totally.
When you do, when you've done it, you do some
piano and some guitar.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Piano and guitar. I think that would be nice.
Speaker 6 (51:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
I think thinking about doing like an hour and a
half just on piano feels limiting.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
It's a lot. Yeah, I think I missed the backbeat
of something and there.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
You know, there's I would use like a stomp pedal
or a couple of looped things so that I could
you could trigger some things.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
And I actually also did a like a projector movie.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
Because there was something about having like a visual in
tanem If you're doing.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Solo, that helped me my show. But I think people
would love it. I love that.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
Yeah, but then you you can't be like the connection
of another musician that you're like, yeah, I just like it.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, you're so good at it. I feel like if
I was going to do a solo thing, I would
have to practice it. Yeah, I don't I know the
thing I don't want to do.
Speaker 11 (52:10):
Well.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I know, well, you could do exclusive like preview shows
or I'm just practicing.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
Yes, do it in our living room. You're invited any time.
I will rearrange the furniture.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I mean I actually I thrive on a practice gig.
That's kind of my jam.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, like with Pus some Boots, that's what we always
need to do, the little bar gigs and then so good,
we mess up and yeah we get it together. You
got to give cat Paper a big hugg Yeah, she
played on my offense record.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
That's right. I kind of knew that I forgot that. Yeah,
she's amazing yeah, you know we we met one time
at wasn't it the thirty Rock Oh.
Speaker 6 (52:53):
Right, yeah, the only time we've met.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
That's right, that is we did.
Speaker 5 (52:57):
Yeah, we did read them.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Yeah at the Just Give a Kidney, We Are the
World whatever.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Oh my god, that was so funny. That was so funny.
That was so funny. To this day, people are still
calling there like I was just watching. I know, it's funny,
so funny. That was a magical day. That was fun Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
I was right across the hall from Cyndy Lapper in
the dressing room.
Speaker 4 (53:21):
I kept watching her exchange phone numbers with the Beastie Boys.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
This is incredible.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yeah, there were some crazy people there.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
So Moby's like, what's this harmony. I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
Michael Donald was right in front of me, was like, oh,
I'm like, the whole day blew my mind.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
I know, it's crazy. I feel like you were behind
me maybe I think it was on the mill. Red
Miller was around.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
Yeah, yeah, I was on the left. I think you
were by Burrellas. Burrells was there, and yeah, it was
just wild. Yeah, when you look at the photo, do
you have that photo?
Speaker 2 (54:02):
I don't, I should I should find it. Oh my god,
you gotta find that photo.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yeah, this is wild, that's funny, surreal. Yeah, I just
remember that's.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
When we met.
Speaker 6 (54:14):
No Bigs, No bigs.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
Yeah what oh right? Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
So do you do a lot of cover songs? Not really,
not so much. Yeah, I had a hard time finding it. Yeah,
not so much. But I'd like to. But then that
would involve practicing and learning.
Speaker 5 (54:32):
Exactly, which is why for this next one. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:36):
But yeah, it's a I've done a couple here and there,
but and I love trying them if I have a
band or something, for sure.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, it's okay. You don't need to necessarily do that.
I just like Chryl Crow home on a zither ones.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
Oh wow, zither.
Speaker 5 (54:56):
Yea's fun.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Yeah, it's kind of nice. Yeah, but I got a
branch out a grandchat.
Speaker 4 (55:01):
Well.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
I asked if you wanted to try a cover, and
you suggested this song I Wish You Loved? Which is
I love this song love is? Well it's like from
the forties. Yeah, yeah, it's a beautiful song.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
So good. But did you do this for soundtrack or
something for Prime? The movie Prime?
Speaker 4 (55:18):
Yeah, Kevin Salem and I just went in and did
two versions. I think the movie actually has sort of
a more up tempo traditional version, and that was the
one that they used in the film, and then we
had one that was like really like hey yeah, and
(55:38):
that version I think maybe was on the soundtrack as well,
or it's just it's living on the internet somewhere, but yeah,
you do anything you want.
Speaker 5 (56:05):
I wish you bluebirds in the spring to give your
heart a song to sing and then a kiss. But
more than live, I wish you lord.
Speaker 10 (56:27):
And in July.
Speaker 5 (56:29):
A lemonade to cool you in some leaf lade.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
I wish you health and more than wealth.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
I wish you love, my.
Speaker 5 (56:50):
Breaking heart, and I agree.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
That you and.
Speaker 5 (56:58):
Could never be so with my best, my very best,
I set you free. I wish you shelters from a storm,
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a cozy fire to keep you all when most.
Speaker 12 (57:27):
When snowflakes fall. I wish you lowe, my breaking hard
(58:21):
and I agree.
Speaker 5 (58:24):
That you and I could never lead so with my best,
my very best, I have said you free. I wish
you sheltered from a snore, a cozy fire to keep
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you most when snowflakes fall. I wish you look.
Speaker 12 (59:04):
One most of.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
When snowflax fall.
Speaker 5 (59:11):
Oh ish you.
Speaker 10 (59:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (59:27):
That's a one PM hit, baby, it's not even one pm.
It's probably noon right now. My god, oh my god,
it's perfect. I love it. This is so fun, so fun. Okay,
let's hang out all the time. Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Hey, thanks for listening. That was Rachel Yamagata. That was
really fun about it.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
That's incredible.
Speaker 5 (59:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
If you want to know the songs we played, the
first song was break Apart from her album called Tight
Rope Walker, which was released in twenty sixteen. The second
song was Backwards from Starlit Alchemy, released in twenty twenty five,
and the last song we did was I Wish You Love.
The music was by Leo Shauliac and Charles Trene and
(01:00:17):
French lyrics by Trenee written in the nineteen forties, the
new lyrics by American composer and lyricist Albert ASQ. Beach.
Special thanks to Rachel Yamagata for joining us today, and
we'll be back next week with Long Long Norah Jones
is Playing Along is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Visit
Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe while you're there.
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I'm your host, Norah Jones Today's episode was recorded by
Kyle Pass, mixed by Jamie Landry, Additional recording by Matt Marinelli.
Audio post production and mastering by Greg Tobler. Artwork by
Eliza Fry, Photography by Shervin Linez. Produced by Nora Jones
and Sarah Oda. Executive producers Aaron Wan Kaufman and Jordan Rundag.
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Marketing lead Alison camp Your grap
This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You
can visit Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe
while you're there. Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm
playing along with Rachel Yamagata. I'm just playing long Weuy,
I'm just playing lone Weazy.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hi. Welcome to the show. I'm Nourra. This is Sarah Oda.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Welcome to our show. Today we have the incredible Rachel Yamagata.
She's a singer, songwriter, guitarist, and a pianist with a
critically acclaimed catalog of very honest and personal songs.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, she's a great singer.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I've been a fan of hers since that first album
came out. I was a big fan of that album
that was back in two thousand and three or four,
And yeah, I was excited to have her here.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, her voice is very unique. It really resonates with
so many listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I feel like we actually first met.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I already was a fan of her music, but we
met on the set of thirty Rock for this big
episode they did about the Just Give a Kidney, the
kidney donation episode. It's full of crazy musicians and that's
where we first met.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's really funny. I just rewatched it. Oh yeah, cracking up.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It was fun to talk about that. So you'll hear
about that.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
You'll hear about what she's kind of been up to
lately musically and otherwise. And also beautiful duets including a
French love song.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, this was great.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I hope you enjoyed this episode me hanging out with
Rachel Yamagata. There is some spicy language in this episode,
so listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's not that bad, but just so you know it's there.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
What's that big place in Austin that everybody plays during
south By Southwest?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's like a bar venue something.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
There's an upstab us, so you were playing at stubs
and every A and R person in the world.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Oh during south By that year south By it was
like two thousand and two.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Two thousand and two. Yeah, I think I had just started.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I don't even know if I maybe I had an
EP out and it was packed and every every hobnob
person in the world was there. You played a fuall
as gorgeous set and it was I feel like people
were you know, you were on the in the middle
and then people were just surrounding. It wasn't like a
stage or a little bar on the side something. Yeah,
(02:32):
and then it was incredible.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Everyone erupted.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
There was some other woman who had to go after you,
another artist, I don't remember who it was, and the
whole crowd was just ushering towards you and wanting to talk.
And it was almost like you just did the coolest move.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You didn't talk to maybe you said brief hello, like.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
What did I do?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
You turn around, went right back and sat on the
floor in front of this person who had to play,
so that every single person hob nabby shnobbies stayed to watch,
and it was like that was the only way that
crowd was going.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
To stay in the room. And I was just watched
it and I was like, class act. I love her.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I like that person too, I know that person.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh my god, it was amazing sweet. So I tell
people that, oh, yeah, it was beautiful. That's so long ago.
Well it was so long ago. Yeah, first impression, that's
so great.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, oh now you have me built up in your mind.
Oh my god, and all these other things that are probably.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Not as nice. I hear so many beautiful things.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
So I'm I'm just really happy to finally talk to
you and meet you.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm so happy because when your first album came out,
When did that come out?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Was it two thousand and three, two thousand and three
or four? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I think it might have been three or four. Yeah,
I think it was four. Actually, I remember reading about.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You and be like who she? And then I listened
to that album so much.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Really, I loved that.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh thanks, I still love it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I was listening to it preparing for this and I
was like, I know this album like the back of
my hand.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, I'm so excited.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So I've been a fan since back then too.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
So funny, and we have mutual people in common over
the years, for sure. I worked with Jesse Harris early earlier,
I think, yeah, I think we wrote some songs together.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And of course you know Pete Pete, so there's many
many a flotation around. It's so cool.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, I've been to your house before also, I know,
which is funny because you weren't there.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
That's right, right, it's crazy, right, it's insane.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Like I was like, oh my.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
God, you left a really sweet note.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I remember that because you guys filmed a podcast we.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Did like some intros there for us and you built
us a fire at least he said you built it.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So yes, I probably did. That's nice. We've Yeah, it's so.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Crazy, and now we're neighbors with Sarah and it's just
like small world.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I know, it's great crazy. Well.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I love your new album. It's so beautiful. Thank you, Yeah, congrats,
thank you so much. The labor of love. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Did you do a lot of it at your house?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
We did most of it at the house, a little
bit at uh my friends and longtime collaborator on many thanks,
Michael Chavis. He has a place out in Pine Mountain Club,
which is a little town outside of LA like an
hour in the mountains. So we did a little bit
out there, a little at a local studio, Utopia, and
(05:45):
you probably know Utopia. It's reading the Bears full call
I've heard. But most in the house.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's cozy, cozy.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, cats, rain storms, yeah, how many cats the fire?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Three cats? Three cats of squirrels?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, very woods.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's a very woody place and it almost feels like
a treehouse, even though it's not high.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, I guess it's kind of in the mountain. It's
kind of it's a little too much tree.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
But like I'm always like sometimes I'll set up a
table in the driveway because I'm like, here's where the
sun is today, and I just need a little sun. Yeah,
but yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Very pleased to be there. Yeah, a little secluded spot.
That's great.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, do you want to do a song from the
new autum?
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Do you think we could do break Apart break Heart? Yeah? Sure,
I love this one, thank you. This one was actually on.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
A different album, Oh know which one, maybe tightrope Walker.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I tend to take like a lot of time between
the records, so I just forget.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
How many times how much time this time? This one
was nine years.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Wow, But I don't count three of the years because
it was like twenty twenty, twenty twenty three, Like.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That doesn't count. That doesn't count, no, but everybody's counting
in articles.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
But yeah, tightrope Walker came out in twenty and fourteen.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think I'm sixteen, who knows, But you've done a
lot of stuff between.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I do a lot of touring, Yeah, yeah, a lot
of touring and then a couple random epees here and there.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, it's not like you're not just sitting around squirrels.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
One question. Yeah, no, not on this one. I was
on the other one.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
If it's wrong, it's because I did something wrong. Just
know that. Don't be like that. Don't be that.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
It's a badge of honor. I paved the way for
people who are nervous.
Speaker 9 (08:07):
Please, baby, Please don't go.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Please baby, I need you now walk in the world
with foalue. It just won't because I gave warn your card.
(09:06):
No body loves that I can do.
Speaker 10 (09:20):
No body May movie Eler. You don't fall.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
For me to. I'm gonna relay Apollo comple.
Speaker 10 (10:01):
Baby, Please, don't you lie. Don't say it's not all.
Say it's not a time.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Nothing could stuck mill now fro Why an't you because
I again so oh you're you're no the loaves.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Like you do.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
No. But in May movie.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Helloa, you don't fall.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Fall me to. I don't wanna release Apa. I'm I'm
(11:49):
gonna breathe into a million, he said, as world.
Speaker 10 (12:01):
You if you don't fault.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
For me to.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
June Night, if you don't.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Fall for me to.
Speaker 11 (12:28):
Lie, Oh my god, you are beautiful.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
You are my voice, your voice, You're playing.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
God, I love that song. You just have the most
beautiful touch on it. It's just beautiful. Thank you. Hello
piano player. I clank a lot. I'm a piano.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, I'm not a big like listen back. I think
I should have been. It might have made a big difference.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Really well.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I don't like.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Reviewing things when they've just happened. I like to ride
the like energy of whatever the show was. But I
think you can learn a lot by listening and seeing
how it's translating. And I only started doing that because
it freaks me out, so.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I know, I'm a little pounder. It's not the fun part.
It's not the fun part.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
No, Yeah, but I think that's cool that you don't
want to do that. Most people overthink things and then
they perfect it until it's soulless, you know. So yeah,
it's better to not do that. Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Yeah you play guitar grate too.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
What came first? Piano first?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah, I took lessons for a year when I was twelve.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And then the.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Teacher who was great, but she kept trying to stop
me from moving and because I did this at.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
The piano all the time, and I was like this isn't.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Fun And the t T tata math part, I was like,
I'd rather learn it by ear. I did take music theory,
but I failed it twice in school and I was like,
so I came up on that and then but I
just kept playing piano.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I loved it. I'd find those empty rooms more.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
By ear, colleges, bite ear and just like meandering things
new real purpose behind it. And then I didn't pick
up guitar until I started writing songs.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, did you find it easier to write on guitar
because it was like more basic in a way, or
I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I wish I want to learn more chords because I
tend to write the same chord formation just because I
don't know what I'm doing on guitar, and I find
it easier on piano, know for some really and yeah,
funny because I like dissonance a lot and I like
just sort of I have to write out all the
(15:08):
letters of every single really chord, okay, to know there's
a lot of arrows and.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You have a whole system that's percent you. Yeah, I
try and share it. She published those. I mean it's
great because if I ever lose them, everybody's like, I
don't know what this is, it's going to help them. So, yeah,
how about you?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I well, I mean I started on a piano, and
then I think when I moved to New York, I
started playing guitar because I didn't have a piano yet.
And then I started writing songs on guitar. It was
a simpler more because I learned jazz piano at first,
and so everything had a seventh chord or like an alteration,
and I couldn't write. I don't know, I didn't really
(15:51):
write on it. And then when I started playing guitar
and it was just playing these simple chords, then melodies
and lyrics came easier.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, yeah, crazy. And then do you play bass as well? No,
I have a drums. I feel like I dabble. Isn't
that fun?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It's so fun? Do you play drums?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I think it's the hardest instrument to play. Yeah, like
I I cannot. I'm good at tambourine. I had roles
in previous bands on a tambourine, and I've tried playing drums, and.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
But once you sit.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Down and try, it really gives you an appreciation for
an incredible drummer.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Like I used to you know, I'd look back and
be like, why can't you play this?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Or like switch that, And then I was like, please,
never give you a commentary again, like yeah, it's really hard.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It's hard, but it's so fun.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well, I mean I only plays very simple back beats
in the band. Put some boots, yes, Sasha, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
But.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's so fun. Yeah yeah, so great.
Speaker 8 (16:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Now I want to play more drums. I want to learn.
I think I want to do like a string instrument.
Oh yeah, always to do that.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I picked up the fiddle once for about a few months,
and that was something I really wanted to do, and then
I had a kid and.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I forgot about it.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I got the kids.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I think it was while I was pregnant and I
was just kind of nesty and I was like, I
want to play the fiddle.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
That's amazing. Then I haven't touched it.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I wonder if you if you did, if there'd be
a reaction. I wonder. Yeah, I don't know, I should
try that. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I don't think you remember at this point.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
You never.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
So did you sing from an early age.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
A little bit in like different choirs, like school choirs.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
In high school? There was a thing called the swing choir.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Where you like dance and do those kind of things.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Familiar with you.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Did you do what I wasn't in the one In
my high school they had a show choir. Yeah, but
I was in like the jazz singers, which was less dancy.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I love to dance, but I'm not a great dancer,
but I love doing it, and so this was fun.
And then I did music theater stuff and did you
do plays and things like that?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I maybe in junior high junior high. Yeah, I went
to an arts high school. So once I got there,
it was very focused on jazz, yes, because it was
more special specialty.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
And then you started playing the late night clubs early, right, How.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Old were you?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I mean I was in college in Denton, Texas and
for two years and I really just played restaurants and
I was in a band that had a few gigs
where I sang and I was the front person, which
was very awkward for me because I was not I
was not a great front person.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I'm still not.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It's hard, yeah, because I'm used to being behind an instrument,
so I never had to learn that.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Skill of like working the crowd or moving.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
It's such an other area of showmanship that it's not
necessary a natural thing.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Unless it is totally natural.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, yeah, and I I think I've also seen so
many people do it where I'm like cringing a little,
So I don't ever want to do that.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, I don't want to be unnatural.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
And it's almost like you have to start it out
of the gates. It's like you can't adopt sort of
a showmanship style. Yeah, if people start knowing you see,
I think your voice is so velvety and layered that
that's the commanding attention, I think it would be.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Well, but I do know what you mean because I
remember at some point I got realated to Tom Waits,
and my drummer at the time, Andrew Borger, used to
play with him, and he was talking about how he
has all these things that he does on stage that
you know, there's like dust on his coat, he's like
(19:55):
stage dust, and like really also he plans it all,
he's just not and he's like, yeah, there's something theatrical
about it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And then I started wanting to do something like that.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
And then yeah, it felt weird to just start doing
something very effect like different, even though it doesn't seem
affected if you start out doing it. I mean, like
I wanted to wear wigs and yeah, you know, wear different.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
I know me too, Like I love that idea. I
saw Tom Waits and he had he did he had
the piano was on a platform. It was a wooden
platform covered and saw ust, so that when he would
smash his boot for the first time he'd hear it
was like a drum kick drum under it and the
sawdust would come up and so cool.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I thought that was it was beautiful.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, it was like, I don't know, it's it's tricky
little stage production things that add a little element could
be something, or we could just like come out in spacesuits.
I think I would see that show, but I think.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I would feel too too self conscious about that.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, you know it now.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, you know like David Boy, you know, he always
changed it up, but he was always.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Doing something so different. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Do you ever stand up and sing without playing an
instrument at your shows?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Every now and then.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I have a song called Elephants, and I was doing
that a cappella a little bit, and that was fun
because that's how I wrote it.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
So it had a thing that was kind of magical.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
And and then depending on where it is, I'll do
some I'll do a lot of touring in Asia, and
there's a different audience energy with my songs in Asia
for me, where we can stretch it a little bit
(21:46):
so that I will take the mic off and run
around and be a very sort of fun different front.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So you're like, there's total which was hot, fun pop
icon in Agent.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
I mean, wouldn't that be nice? No, it's not quite that,
but it is like more. It feels like otherworldly in
that way. I think because they discovered my early records
later after I had a good sort of run as
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my solo career in the States, and so I felt
like it was newer for them in a way and
I could try a little more out.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
That's so fun.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, you guys go over there a lot, right.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
We do all over Yeah, a lot. And I've gone
to Korea many times. South Korea, China We've been going
to I've been there about like seven or eight times, Taiwan, Thailand, Singapore.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, just different realms. It's very fun. That is fun. Yeah,
do you ever go international anymore?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I do, but I haven't been anywhere like that in
a very very long time.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I go to Japan a lot, like every few years. Yeah,
but I yeah, I'm kind of overdue for the rest.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
After I had kids, I feel like I had to
sort of limit everything.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Sure, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, Well you're a workhorse in terms of so many projects.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
That's the other thing is like p used to tell me,
I was like, you'd get off the road. I'm like,
what is she? What's she doing now? She's going in
to record.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
A Christmas song or a new record, or she's you know,
and she's sitting in over here.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I'm like, man, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
It's really I read this book, the Patti Smith Just
Kids Book. Yeah, I kicked my ass in terms of
like a sorry, I don't know if I'm allowed to
say that. Yeah, leave that kicked my kicked my booty
into what it can mean to do some form of
art every day and live an artistic life style on
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a consistent basis of and for no other than just
doing it, like writing a poem and doing a painting,
writing a song, whatever it is. And you strike me
as somebody sort of akin to that, just consistently creating
and showcasing what you find.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And it's beautiful. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Do you have any other artistic things you do?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I rearrange furniture. I mean that's like, that's like you
need an outlet. I love the kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, sort of making making spaces excuse me. And I
always think there's a there's a an avenue for collapsible
stage decore that needs to happen, like things for that
can squish and.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Fit but looks but looks cool. It looks like a
big vision and I.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Would rent it if you make it. I'm always looking
for something to put on the stage.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, I know. Well, Barbara Streisen does that. Oh my gosh,
she has a trailer. It was amazing. That makes it
feel like her living room. That's nice. Yeah, so you
do like a blow up version, I think totally.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I mean I'm really seeing this whole alien spacesuit couch
living room.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
I don't know if this is I think.
Speaker 11 (25:17):
But I think I think they could.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
He just hasn't been done yet, which is me. Yeah,
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Well, I'm not good at sitting still, I've realized, But
at the same time I want to. Yeah, you know,
so sometimes I feel like I've done this since the beginning,
when when I get off a big long tour and
I don't have anything to do. The sidebands have been
really great for that because it's a way to play
music without having to think about the next big thing. Sure,
(25:44):
but also like I'll take a pottery class right now,
I'm taking a painting class.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It's so good. It's my favorite thing to.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Do, all kind of painting, oil all. Yeah, it's just fun.
It's great having a hobby that's not music. Yeah, and
it's hard to do it. Yeah, to remember that it's
nice to do, you know, it's hard to remember to
do it.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah, to take it's good to have your your creative
channel in something that has no we really are like
learning and new something that you've never done.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
But this podcast is so fun for me because it's
it's creative, but it's.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Also kind of loose, which is how I am. Yeah.
I hate to practice, me too.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So if I didn't have all this stuff going so hard, Yeah,
I wouldn't be playing if I didn't have any reason
to like a gig or something to do.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yeah, same same with me. Yeah, yeah, I just rearranged from.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Everybody comes come over again. You'll see it totally different. Yeah,
I'll help you. Please start a business of interior design.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
We just come over, you have to leave. We have
eight hours. We get to do whatever we want. I
have a friend who that She's like, we should open
a design company.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
She's like, yeah, I just don't want.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Anybody's feedback, and I'm like, I agree totally.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, you're not trying to drum up a business one yelp.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
If you let us do whatever we want.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I like that idea.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Yeah, it would be fun.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Obviously, will you play piano for me?
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Okay to sweet I don't think I played your piano
when I was at your house. It's dark Hawaii, but
it's heavy, which I like. Yeah, I like a dark piano.
This one's kind of dark. Yeah, beautiful. So this is
a song from your new album. This is the first
song on that. Yeah, it's backwards deep, the deep one.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It's got some depth to Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
We did have a debate about is that the right
title or the right song choice to do as a
first Yeah, first song, and then it just made and
actually ended up making sense with the flow of the record.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
It's hard to sequence a record, really hard. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Be no use, Steve. If I can't be good for myself,
I can make it better for any body else with
sides gone, turn off.
Speaker 12 (28:48):
Outy, nothing's gone to change until I do.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
I can't be no use, steal. If I can make
the summer, I can make it better than can.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
Face the soul.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
It would be so easy to say easy unless what
I feel.
Speaker 13 (29:24):
I don't know, the want a little back end, regret
it all that staying here.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
And made it silight, gold, turn of fit and empty
house back.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
There's not a place that I can be so far
from with them.
Speaker 14 (30:05):
I'm scared, and yet I'm not. I'm no way you
are you with me inside?
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Lord, You'll always be, You're all loving for me.
Speaker 10 (30:26):
I'm just afraid slipping backwards.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Back. There's not a place that I can be. Oh,
I am so litening and you're not in front of me.
Speaker 13 (30:56):
Babies, the lasting that had ever wanted to.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Go leave you now, Maybe it's some wrong and that
you find a widower.
Speaker 13 (31:18):
Spaving again, sern O n Maybe side God her tell
of fan and empty house.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Fact this not please that I can be.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
That songs so sad.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Had you written a lot of these songs, had you
had them kicking around for a long time, or how
did it all come about for this record?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Like in twenty nineteen, I finished a lot of touring,
a couple rounds of asia US, and then I had
a batch of them, and I had taken twenty twenty
off and saved up all this money to go make
a record in twenty twenty, and then twenty twenty hit
and it was everything changed for everybody. And during that
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time I actually wrote a few more songs. I realized
I wrote almost every song on the same key, so
and it just became a mean doing something. And so
I actually went in and started trying to demo them,
five of them as like a short film or a
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short in my head, like just something that bled one
into the other. And I started playing with transitions, and.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Then as time went on, I built sort of more
songs around it.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
And that's where the figuring out the order and the
you know, time change from the perspective I had when
I first started writing the record versus when after going
through that change, some of it infiltrated, of course, and then.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
And then we started recording in twenty twenty three and four. Okay,
something like that, Yeah, I'm doing little bits and pieces.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
But then I had spent all the money that I
had saved to make the record, so I had to
go out and tour again, gotcha to sort of fillip
count and then we went pretty hard. Well, I guess
twenty three is when we really started digging in and then.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Okay, yeah, yeah, people don't realize that you have to
spend money to yeah, pay musicians and three times.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
So many people just do stuff at home on their computers.
But it's so nice to work with people and collaborate.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
It's so beautiful. Yeah, yeah, it's it's funny. It's a
the model is changing. I think it has to change
for different levels of artists. And yeah, financially, I just
finished a run and it's you know, it's it's like, wow,
I spent a lot of money on sort of to
(34:46):
go out and do it. I'm like, I wonder I
had discussion just doing it at the level that I'm at.
It's sort of like it's it's I have a lot
of friends sort of where I'm at, and people have
to cancel tours because it's just the cost to do it.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, I've heard of that happening so much years.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Too, I think so so it's it's always nice to
figure out new avenues of creativity, and even something like this,
which is contained in its own space and a certain respect,
is like so beautifully inspiring and wonderful.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And yeah, yeah it's fine. It's it's in the hole though,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
It costs money to do it.
Speaker 11 (35:27):
It does.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
It's fine for now, but yeah, I don't know. I
know it'll ever get out of the hole.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I know, you know, it's definitely like a I think
things will change.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
I do have high high hopes for sort of the
evening out of what is you know, important and crucial
and stirs your heart and compensation that makes it so you.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Can keep going at it, I hope.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
So.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I mean, I think people love to see live music,
but at the same time, people don't want to leave
their houses.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I know me too.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
I know it takes a lot to get to choke.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah, I kind of stopped inviting people to shows if
I don't expect anyone to want to leave their house. Yeah,
like friends and stuff. Sure, Yeah, yeah, it's so hard.
It's really hard people get out of battled in. It's true,
and it's a whole evening. It's not just like the
comes to the show.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
I have to struggle. I mean, we have so many
great venues in Woodstock, and I have to really like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
It's going to be a ten minute draw.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Even that far.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I know, it's kind of nuts.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, they to psych yourself up for I do such
a funny age.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Maybe that's just our age.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I think there's a little bit of an age thing
there too.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I mean, most of my audience now is probably in
bed by night, and like that's a healthy Like they
if I play an early show, they're like, thank god,
that's civilized.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
I'm like, I agree, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I'm like, can I open for somebody? Yeah, late sound show,
go to bed. I know, I think that would be
my ideal gig.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I'm telling you, there's so many ideas happening right now.
Afternoon shows with alien costumes and sofas for everybody, sofas
for the musicians and class.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
For the four pm show. Actually that might even be
too late.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
One pm show one, I.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Like one if as soon as it starts getting dark,
I'm like, I'm try again tomorrow. I know.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It's so funny, crazy, Yeah, conversations. It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I'm like, I had other things I wanted to ask
you what they Oh, so, when you do tour Asia,
since it's a little bit of a different vibe, is
your audience younger?
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, you know what it spans.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
You know, I never even thought about it. It's it's
a pretty wide range. Yeah, it's a pretty wide range.
I would there probably is a bigger younger contingent just
because there might be signing the music younger.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
So fun, it's so fun.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's really it's intriguing to ask somebody younger,
how did you find this? You know, and I don't
even know what the channels. It's like a lot of
YouTube people are like your social media TikTok's the whole
all the things.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I think that's how they find a lot of things. Yeah,
those young people. Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
That's why if you do figure out the way to
get yourself out there in that way, it's good.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I wonder if we're moving into a time where we
all become curators and they'll come to you for you know,
you're introducing so many artists into your world and so there,
and you do so many different things or same like
if I'm doing you know, if I feed the squirrels
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whatever I do, if somebody said interested in that, Like,
but you're curating a world that I think that people
appreciate because there I just don't know if there's the
algorithms are really tricky.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
So I think, just be you and do what you
do and showcase your world. And I think that's all
you can do.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, And that used to be the advice people would
give when we were younger too and starting out playing music.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
You just do you do.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, it's the same kind of yeah theory, I guess.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I guess, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
But I think the younger generation is so having grown
up with it. I read this thing about how everyone
at the Grammys a couple of years ago, the young people,
they were all so good because they've grown up on camera.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
It's like a whole other thing right at performing that thing. Oh,
I don't even think about that.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
I know.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I didn't either until I read this somewhere and I was.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Like, oh, yeah, you're right, that's wild. I mean, I
guess in a way, the young young button was like
the Taos.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
They're just there's just no when it's how to turn
it on in a good way. Yeah, yeah, and it's
natural and like, you know, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That is so I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
But I heard there was a study where kids who
were using like the with the VR sets or the
gaming or that the tricky part was that the colors
are so vibrant and the sounds are so vibrant that
when you take it off and it's like you're looking
at sort of daily life, the excitement factor isn't there.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Your dopamine gets yeah, which was I had never thought
about that. That's interesting too, that's freaky.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
That is freaky. I mean, I know the dopamine thing
with phones and touchscreen. Yeah, it's really bad. So I
started the television the other day and I was like,
this is just a giant phone turned horizontally.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I'm like, why is this just occurring to me?
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Now?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
It's some time sucking me in. It is, but somehow
it doesn't feel as bad.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, But when I was a kid, I remember being
home from school, maybe watching eight hours of TV and
feeling like crap and knowing.
Speaker 7 (41:06):
That that did it.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
But it's still not the same.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
You knew that.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, it's not as bad. It's not as bad.
Speaker 6 (41:11):
Now, I'm like, yeah, please watch eight Hours.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, I mean not really, but I am. I know
over a screen it's wild, it's so wild. Yeah. Yeah, no,
I just sound like an old lady. I know me too, Like, no,
we're good, we're young.
Speaker 11 (41:28):
Edit all that out, like cool, I think we're super cool.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
You were really cool.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
So this new album are you going to do? Sarah's
was saying that you're doing like a string quartet version.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Or some of them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I did this living room in the house and.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
We got this incredible string quartet and who I found
because they do a lot of.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Playing with Natalie Merchant cool. I saw them play, I
was like, who are these They're amazing. Do they have
a name, like a band name. They don't have their
own name, but.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
And there's three cores and then I think they're searching
for their fourth. But we got really lucky because they're
summer split in the city, summer in Upstate. We had
never met, I had never played with a string quartet.
I had never played without headphones, and so we had
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like twenty people over and filmed this two day shoot
of seven I think six or seven songs and arranged
them and just sort of flew by the seat of our.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Pants and it was amazing.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
We had everything under the sun happened where you know,
there was a copperhead in the yard, and I thought
we'd film all these scenes in the yard.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
And I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
We he's the same guy, Cobra Kai. We got his number.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
He came over with the equivalent of like a wardrobe
pincher or whatever looking for I'm like, is that really
going to protect you?
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Looking for this snake?
Speaker 4 (43:15):
And you know that shifted where we're filming, and and
but yeah, we got some beautiful versions of the songs
and it was it was a magical two days that
I think we captured. So I'm gonna go through and
start sort of listening back to versions and and we'll put.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
The video piece of it together and release it early
next year. This sounds really beautiful. Yeah, just the sound
of strings in the room and your voice gorgeous. No headphones.
It was the no headphones was really interesting. Even with this,
I was like, oh, like, what's that going to be.
It's kind of wonderful. It's pretty nice. Yeah, if he
(43:56):
can do it, yeah, it's just like, yeah, I was
gonna say rubbing.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Friction rubbing, but it sounded wrong. Then I got confused. Anyway,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
What you mean?
Speaker 5 (44:15):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (44:15):
I do. It's like intertwining, like atoms of texture exactly.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
We should write books.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I can't think of words anymore.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
Again. I'm so old.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I'm like, I'm starting to worry about my memory.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
I have a terrible memory.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Yeah, it's awful.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Have you done that thing where you walk into a room.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
And you're like, I know, I know I'm in here.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Some songs about it?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Yeah, I'm literally I have a song about it called
Staring at the Wall. And it's like I literally go
to every room and then I I leave the room.
I do something, but not the thing I meant to go.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Date. It's the phone for me. I think it's just
like sucked on my attention.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, it's fast. Everything's fast. It's one minute to the next,
minute to the next. That's why music is so nice.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I think it's like my only time to really just
be in the moment. Yeah, it's really hard to be
in the moment nowadays.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
And yeah, and it's more important than ever, right, Yeah, Like,
are you in the metaphysical interest world at all?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Of what does that mean? Like consciousness.
Speaker 6 (45:24):
Please explain more.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Oh guy, just like the importance of things that fascinated me.
I went on deep dives in twenty twenty. These the
idea that we're all energy waves. Everything matter is like
an actual just moving energy, and that we're interacting and
our consciousness is sort of intertwined and.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
We're collective, and these ideas of frequency and.
Speaker 7 (45:52):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Oh, it's amazing. You need to tell me more. I
will send you lots of things.
Speaker 5 (45:57):
Send me things.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
I will send you anything.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Does this line with like ways to elevate your consciousness?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (46:05):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (46:05):
For me? It? I think when you can maintain sort
of a frequency of gratitude, of love, of sharing, like
the highest that you can go, like on your best day,
and then you start seeing the reactions of what you
can encounter every day, and how it reiterates the idea
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that maybe we are co creating more than we think
we are, And especially when the world gets nuts and
there's so much zing on a consistent basis, this idea
of centering your own energy and grounding it and stillness
and breath work, and which I do because I chain smoke,
I mean I have to. I'm not saying I know
(46:52):
what I'm doing, but like there's a lot of like, yeah,
a lot to be gained in terms of like integrating
that so that what you're zinging out to the rest
of the world is more balanced, more peaceful, and then
that starts to shift things. It's just shifts my world
(47:13):
on a daily basis, and it's not easy. But the
more you investigate it, the more interesting it becomes.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
I like it. I'll send you some stuff, send me
some stuff. Do you have a practice you do every day?
I journal I do a lot of journaling. Do you
always do it in the morning or do you I'm
a morning person the first thing.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
Yeah, not every day, but I'll even like, you know,
sitting with the animals, the various animal yard animals that come.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
That does a lot for me.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
And it's nice that clears something because I wake up
with it to do list like almost me too ready
to go.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, and I have to stab myself from sending emails
too early or text bust.
Speaker 6 (47:54):
I know, I'm just ready to go.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Do you know who does that? Which I really appreciate. King,
She's an early morning tester and I love that.
Speaker 6 (48:04):
Yeah, because you are.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
Like and like Joan Osborne does it like there's a
couple of buddies who I'm like, they're up doing it,
Like I know that I could call any of them
and we could have a whole like I've already had
three cups of coffee conversation because you're on it.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
But yeah, I go the other direction.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
I don't even look at emails like great, I'm it's
a yeah, I'm just starting to get back into it.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I feel like emails kind of nobody looks at him anymore.
I wonder.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I mean, I think for business you have to sometimes
some people. Yeah, I don't think young people look at emails.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
I don't know that they.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
I don't think they do. But I don't even know
if they look at texts, Like there's probably I.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Don't know, but I will say I used to be
wordy as a text. Yeah, but now I can't even
read a paragraph.
Speaker 6 (48:56):
I can't focus on what somebody's saying.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Do you do the voice memo?
Speaker 9 (48:59):
Do it?
Speaker 1 (49:00):
I don't, And I hate I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
You don't.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
I don't like it when I get one because then
I have to stop and listen to it, and it's
like I always read the translation instead.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
You don't even know how to make the trans translation.
But yeah, that's one of my things. Taking time out,
I'm going to learn all these things about like foul
folders and computers and not to back up the computer.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
And it's such a list of.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Like I know that the voice text thing is good
in a way, but I just I think I'm too
wrapped up in doing stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, I have a heart, you have a full plate.
I do, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I mean, it's not that I do, it's that I Yeah,
sometimes I just get wound up, you know, I understand.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah, as I drink more coffee, I think you drink
more coffee. Well this is so fun.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Are you going back out on tour?
Speaker 8 (49:48):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (49:49):
Not yet.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
I'm gonna Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
I think the string quartet EP whatever that will become
is the main priority.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Do you think you'll tour with the strings? You know,
I do a few special things.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
I just came off a run that had violin and
cello and Michael Chavis, who plays a little bit of everything,
and that arrangement was really nice. We played rooms that
already had real acoustic pianos in them and and that
had a thing to it, and I really love that.
(50:22):
So if there's a way to kind of continue.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
That, I would do that. Yeah, I would love to
do that. Yeah, that would be nice. Yeah, so you
tour the small band usually it just depends. Yeah, do
you have a tour solo?
Speaker 1 (50:37):
I have?
Speaker 2 (50:38):
I have, and I love it because you Okay, yeah,
I've never.
Speaker 11 (50:41):
Done it really no, really.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
No, I think I just it feels too hard or
also boring, maybe like I'm afraid I'll get bored by myself.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
I bet I get that. I get the internal thing
of like, but.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
You're not alone in your interact.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
You are, so I forget that. Oh and people would
love it.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
They would be just they would eat it up like
it's it's scary, right, the idea is scary, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
But it's intimate and in a way that is beautiful totally.
When you do, when you've done it, you do some
piano and some guitar.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Piano and guitar. I think that would be nice.
Speaker 6 (51:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
I think thinking about doing like an hour and a
half just on piano feels limiting.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
It's a lot. Yeah, I think I missed the backbeat
of something and there.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
You know, there's I would use like a stomp pedal
or a couple of looped things so that I could
you could trigger some things.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
And I actually also did a like a projector movie.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
Because there was something about having like a visual in
tanem If you're doing.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Solo, that helped me my show. But I think people
would love it. I love that.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
Yeah, but then you you can't be like the connection
of another musician that you're like, yeah, I just like it.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, you're so good at it. I feel like if
I was going to do a solo thing, I would
have to practice it. Yeah, I don't I know the
thing I don't want to do.
Speaker 11 (52:10):
Well.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I know, well, you could do exclusive like preview shows
or I'm just practicing.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
Yes, do it in our living room. You're invited any time.
I will rearrange the furniture.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I mean I actually I thrive on a practice gig.
That's kind of my jam.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, like with Pus some Boots, that's what we always
need to do, the little bar gigs and then so good,
we mess up and yeah we get it together. You
got to give cat Paper a big hugg Yeah, she
played on my offense record.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
That's right. I kind of knew that I forgot that. Yeah,
she's amazing yeah, you know we we met one time
at wasn't it the thirty Rock Oh.
Speaker 6 (52:53):
Right, yeah, the only time we've met.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
That's right, that is we did.
Speaker 5 (52:57):
Yeah, we did read them.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Yeah at the Just Give a Kidney, We Are the
World whatever.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Oh my god, that was so funny. That was so funny.
That was so funny. To this day, people are still
calling there like I was just watching. I know, it's funny,
so funny. That was a magical day. That was fun Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
I was right across the hall from Cyndy Lapper in
the dressing room.
Speaker 4 (53:21):
I kept watching her exchange phone numbers with the Beastie Boys.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
This is incredible.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yeah, there were some crazy people there.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
So Moby's like, what's this harmony. I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
Michael Donald was right in front of me, was like, oh,
I'm like, the whole day blew my mind.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
I know, it's crazy. I feel like you were behind
me maybe I think it was on the mill. Red
Miller was around.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
Yeah, yeah, I was on the left. I think you
were by Burrellas. Burrells was there, and yeah, it was
just wild. Yeah, when you look at the photo, do
you have that photo?
Speaker 2 (54:02):
I don't, I should I should find it. Oh my god,
you gotta find that photo.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yeah, this is wild, that's funny, surreal. Yeah, I just
remember that's.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
When we met.
Speaker 6 (54:14):
No Bigs, No bigs.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
Yeah what oh right? Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
So do you do a lot of cover songs? Not really,
not so much. Yeah, I had a hard time finding it. Yeah,
not so much. But I'd like to. But then that
would involve practicing and learning.
Speaker 5 (54:32):
Exactly, which is why for this next one. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:36):
But yeah, it's a I've done a couple here and there,
but and I love trying them if I have a
band or something, for sure.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, it's okay. You don't need to necessarily do that.
I just like Chryl Crow home on a zither ones.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
Oh wow, zither.
Speaker 5 (54:56):
Yea's fun.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Yeah, it's kind of nice. Yeah, but I got a
branch out a grandchat.
Speaker 4 (55:01):
Well.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
I asked if you wanted to try a cover, and
you suggested this song I Wish You Loved? Which is
I love this song love is? Well it's like from
the forties. Yeah, yeah, it's a beautiful song.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
So good. But did you do this for soundtrack or
something for Prime? The movie Prime?
Speaker 4 (55:18):
Yeah, Kevin Salem and I just went in and did
two versions. I think the movie actually has sort of
a more up tempo traditional version, and that was the
one that they used in the film, and then we
had one that was like really like hey yeah, and
(55:38):
that version I think maybe was on the soundtrack as well,
or it's just it's living on the internet somewhere, but yeah,
you do anything you want.
Speaker 5 (56:05):
I wish you bluebirds in the spring to give your
heart a song to sing and then a kiss. But
more than live, I wish you lord.
Speaker 10 (56:27):
And in July.
Speaker 5 (56:29):
A lemonade to cool you in some leaf lade.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
I wish you health and more than wealth.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
I wish you love, my.
Speaker 5 (56:50):
Breaking heart, and I agree.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
That you and.
Speaker 5 (56:58):
Could never be so with my best, my very best,
I set you free. I wish you shelters from a storm,
(57:19):
a cozy fire to keep you all when most.
Speaker 12 (57:27):
When snowflakes fall. I wish you lowe, my breaking hard
(58:21):
and I agree.
Speaker 5 (58:24):
That you and I could never lead so with my best,
my very best, I have said you free. I wish
you sheltered from a snore, a cozy fire to keep
(58:51):
you most when snowflakes fall. I wish you look.
Speaker 12 (59:04):
One most of.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
When snowflax fall.
Speaker 5 (59:11):
Oh ish you.
Speaker 10 (59:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (59:27):
That's a one PM hit, baby, it's not even one pm.
It's probably noon right now. My god, oh my god,
it's perfect. I love it. This is so fun, so fun. Okay,
let's hang out all the time. Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Hey, thanks for listening. That was Rachel Yamagata. That was
really fun about it.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
That's incredible.
Speaker 5 (59:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
If you want to know the songs we played, the
first song was break Apart from her album called Tight
Rope Walker, which was released in twenty sixteen. The second
song was Backwards from Starlit Alchemy, released in twenty twenty five,
and the last song we did was I Wish You Love.
The music was by Leo Shauliac and Charles Trene and
(01:00:17):
French lyrics by Trenee written in the nineteen forties, the
new lyrics by American composer and lyricist Albert ASQ. Beach.
Special thanks to Rachel Yamagata for joining us today, and
we'll be back next week with Long Long Norah Jones
is Playing Along is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Visit
Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe while you're there.
(01:00:39):
I'm your host, Norah Jones Today's episode was recorded by
Kyle Pass, mixed by Jamie Landry, Additional recording by Matt Marinelli.
Audio post production and mastering by Greg Tobler. Artwork by
Eliza Fry, Photography by Shervin Linez. Produced by Nora Jones
and Sarah Oda. Executive producers Aaron Wan Kaufman and Jordan Rundag.
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
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