Is Pete Buttigieg running for president in 2028? In this exclusive Atlanta interview, Knowa sits down with the former Transportation Secretary and Congresswoman Nikema Williams to break down the Iran war, the cost-of-living crisis, and Pete's message to speak to voters, not at them. Plus a 2028 roll call — Newsom, Harris, Whitmer, Beshear, Pritzker — and why so many top Democrats are quietly skipping Senate races right before a presidential cycle.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now you know and No de Brosso is a production
of iHeartMedia and partnership with Resent Choice Media. Well, folks,
I was scheduling myself an interview as the secretary, former
Secretary of Transportation, former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and
twenty twenty presidential candidate and really popular candidate with Democrats,
(00:22):
Pete Boudhajej. I was setting up what I thought was
going to be a great interview, and then I and
then we were setting it up right, And it got
me thinking, is Secretary Budhajes preparing a run for president? Now?
I was asked not to ask any presidential questions, meaning right,
(00:44):
It got me thinking, are candidates really starting to prepare
themselves for twenty twenty eight? Let's get into what everyone
is doing, right. Wes Moore is outright denying. He says
I'm not gonna do it. Gavin Newsom is outside okay,
he did a book, He's been tweeting a lot, a lot.
(01:07):
I can't say. He's been uber focused on the California
governor race, which will be his successor. So if I
were him, I would probably be little in that. I
would say. And this is me being very very blunt
with all of the candidates. Gavin Newsom's been very vocal,
(01:31):
very very vocal on social media, very vocal. That's what
he's been doing. We had the last nominee for president,
Kamala Harris. We had her on a book tour talking
about what her vision is for the future of the country,
going across the country on a book tour, speaking to people,
going to small businesses, meeting with people, hearing people, and
(01:51):
stuff like that. We have Josh Shapiro, who did a book,
did a big interview with The Atlantic. To me, at
least I will tell you, Okay, how about this, We'll
make a promise. I will tell you my personal opinion
about who I think is going to run at the
end of this. Now, this is something people have been
wanting to hear for a minute, especially since we have
had Kamala Harris on the show. People have been curious
(02:13):
about perspective on this. So we're gonna continue to do this. Okay,
So Josh Shapiro has done several interviews. He's gonna come
on the show. He said he's gonna come on the
show regarding his reelection very very soon. So stay tuned
for that. Great guy. Josh Shapiro, one of my favorites,
didn't interview with The Atlantic, recently selling a book and
just really doing the work as governor of Pennsylvania. I
(02:34):
will say that he's been doing stuff like last year,
we did an Instagram live about how you can deduct
your student loan debt on your taxes. You can deduct
up to twenty five hundred dollars of student loan debt
on your taxes, which is something that people of Pennsylvania
were really stoked to hear about. And then we're we're
not going to get to last yet. And then we
(02:55):
have someone like Gretchen Whitmer, who visited the President at
the White House, who accompanied the President at the White
House for a meeting a meeting, and she was not
proud of it. You know, she wasn't proud of it.
We'll say that she hid her face over folders. You know, well, okay,
(03:15):
I'm not gonna I'm gonna stop being around the bus.
She went to the Oval Office, had a meeting with
the President and then hid her face through the folders.
A lot of people in the Democratic Party think she
is the absolute future. They swear by Gretchen Whitmer and
I haven't had much of a conversation with the Gretchen Whitmer,
but they see her as the future of the country.
They see her as the next Democratic nominee. So she's
been doing that. No books, no social media tour, no tour,
(03:42):
no cross country anything. No, she's really just been in Michigan.
She's not running for the US Senate or anything like that.
And who else am I forgetting? I gotta be forgetting
one of these people. Oh and Governor, let me tell
you folks a story. So every year Georgia Democrats host
this dinner. It's called the Carter Lewis Freedom Dinner. Now
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with my great friend Rural Roman shout out to real Roman.
I was invited to the Carter Lewis Freedom Dinner this year,
but in the email, they invited me to the VIP reception,
which would feature you guessed it, Andy Basher and the
rest of the people speaking. We're not gonna name everyone,
but Andy Basheer took it upon himself to come to
(04:26):
the Georgia Democratic Party annual dinner. And you know what
it means when a candidate, a national politician comes in
and speaks and speaks and speaks and speaks with the
Georgia Democrats. So we had Andy Basheer talking about his
vision of future of the party. He said he shouldn't
speak at voters, you should speak to voters. And I
(04:47):
was sitting next to some people that were concerned about
that message, especially considering it sounds like he was hinting
at I want to say the wokeness, the extra political correctness.
And I had a few pe what my table personally
confused about that message. But he spoke about his record
of paving roads and building highways and everything up in
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Kentucky into and into the surprise of a lot of
people listening, Kentucky does have a democratic governor. I can't
say that they're gonna have a democratic governor next year
when the current governor's not up for reelection. But just
like Gretcha Whitmer and some of the other folks were
not getting into today governor. But Shaer chose not to
run for the US Senate. But what could that mean? Yeah,
(05:29):
and Andy b Scheer seems like I didn't meet him
because folks, let me tell you something. I was late
to the to the VIP reception. I came while the
dinner was over a brother was late, so yes, that
was very late to the party, but he was there
and speaking to George Democrats, and if few George Democrats
I know, such as Sean Harris who just had an
outstanding result in his congressional race for Marjorie Taylor Green seat.
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So we had Andy Basheer, and then next up, I'm
gonna just call them the senators because down here they
just they're called the Senate. We don't call him with
every saying the senators are here. We have Senator Osov
and Senator Warnock. Now recently Senator asof said he not interested.
He good, he's straight off that he's not trying to
run for president of the United States. He said he
has no zero he said himself, he has zero interest
(06:17):
in running for president of the United States. So that's
his words. And then next up, next to Governor Basher,
We've got people all across the country that are like Ramamanuel,
who is a minor candidate for the presidency, is not
a fan of the wokeness, you know, the messaging, and Manuel,
I'm a Manuel. And then we got someone who was
(06:39):
relevant to the show because we just had the Lieutenant
governor on the podcast Lieutenant Governor Stratton. I don't know
when this is coming out, but it really don't matter.
I just had a great interview with Juliana Stritten And
guess who was also at the Carter Lewis Freedom Dinner
last year? You guessed it, JB. Pritzker. JB. Pritzker was
at the Carter Lewis Freedom Dinner in November of last year.
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You know what that means when a national politician comes
and speaks with the Georgia Democrats. The same rules that
applied to Andysheer, I'm applying it to JB. Pritzker. You
know what it means when a candidate, a national candidate
comes speaks to george Democrats. Wink wink. So we got JB. Pritzker,
Andy Wassheer, Gretchen Weber, Kamala Harris, all these people work
are considering. And when we asked Kamala Harris if she
(07:25):
was gonna run, you know what she said. She said,
maybe I'm thinking about we gotta focus on the midterms.
Everything like that, And then we I've asked so many
of these people, but lastly, the person who was most
relevant to this discussion, Oh my gosh, nobody helped me.
Somebody helped me. Who am I talking about? I might
have to stand up for this one. Who am I
talking about? I'm talking about Pete Boudagees, the guy who Okay,
(07:48):
this guy, folks ran for president in twenty twenty and
everyone was like, who is this dude? And he was
this mayor from this middle mid sized town in Indiana.
Everyone's He's like, who's this guy? He spoke like Obama.
He was a clean cut guy, white boy from Indiana.
And everyone was energized, right, everyone. We had the aunties
(08:11):
and the resist Live aunties. I should say he had
his own dance. We're not gonna do that here, but
Pete Budajees had his own dance in the primary, and
it was a lot of people energized for the Pete
Boudajet campaign. Now that didn't really equate to a lot
because he ended up polling, you know, three five percent.
(08:31):
That was in twenty twenty though. He was just getting
out there. And then the president saw Pete Boudajeest as
the future of the party, right, and he actually made
Pete Boudajest's Transportation secretary. And let me tell you, he
did so many great things as Transportation secretary. Let me
be clear, if you have your flight canceled and you
have to stay overnight, well, Pete Boudajet, I don't know
if Trump to Trump provoke that, I don't know. I
(08:52):
have to see that. But if you miss your flight,
if they cancel your flight and you have to stay overnight,
guess what. Pete Boudajet, the Transportation secretary appointed by Joe Biden,
made it so that you get not only a hotel,
but you get your food covered. That was Pete Budajudge.
Pete budajege make the plane safer. And you wonder why.
As soon as Pete Budajeg left the Transportation Secretary's office,
(09:17):
plane started flying out of the air. Thanks Sean Duffy.
But folks, let me be clear. Pete Budajes came on
with a message. He said, he told me not to
ask anything about running for president. That's okay. He came
on with a very clear message. He's going across the country.
He's been Ohio, he's been a every like any swing
state you can think of. And he actually moved to Michigan.
(09:38):
We're gonna talk about that. And he actually came to
Georgia to campaign alongside Nikima Williams, the congresswoman that you
guys all know on this show. He came down here
to campaign for her. And you know what it means.
I've said this three times. I sound like a rivoren
at this point. You know what it means when a
national politician comes down here to talk to Georgia Democrats.
(10:01):
Who else am I going to say that about today?
You know what it means when a national politician comes
down to speak to george Democrats. And that's exactly what
Pete Boudajet did. I conducted an interview with Secretary Yes, yes,
I conducted. Finally, folks, My third most like tweet on
the Twitter app is my picture with Pete Budajeest where
he was very nice and I caught up with Secretary
(10:23):
Budajest when we had ourself a discussion at someone's mansion
in Atlanta for a fundraiser he was hosting for Nikima Williams. Now,
Pete Boudajeg actually moved from South Bend, Indiana, where he
was the mayor, to Traverse City, Michigan, and Secretary Budajudge,
who now lives in Michigan, had the opportunity to run
(10:44):
for the US Senate. He had the opportunity to run
for the US Senate in Michigan a governor of Michigan,
as a highly, very well known candidate. He's one of
the top politicians there are. And guess what he chose
not to run for governor in US Senate. So, folks,
are we starting to see a pattern? We got four people,
(11:05):
I think three people I named came down to speak
to Georgia Democrats Wink wink wink. We had three people
who had had opportunities to run for the US Senate
and didn't had opportunities to make themselves busy during the
presidential election and didn't. Gretchen Whitmer, Andy Vasheer, Pee Buddhajeedge
(11:29):
wink Wink didn't run for the US Senate. So pe
Boudajage said, I'm not running for governor of Michigan. I'm
not running for senator of Michigan. My focus is on
messaging across the country. Da da da da dah. You
know you know the stuff, right, And that got me like,
whoa what is pee Booda jeedge cooking up? So, folks,
(11:51):
all that talk about the twenty twenty eighth presidential election.
I have a treat for you. We have someone one
of the people that we discussed here I conduct an
interview with to talk about this and to talk about
his travel cross country, his record, and what his goal
is in doing this. We have Pete Budajes, someone that
you guys have been wanting me to collaborate with for
(12:14):
so long now and I have finally been able to
provide it to you. Shout out to the great comms
team and everything like that team. We all know what time.
It is a great conversation between myself, people to jaj
and congresswoman and Kima Williams, who he came out here
campaigned for. Let's get right into it, Pee, what brings
you to Georgia.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I'm here to support great candidates and causes like the
Keima Williams, my friends running here in the fifth prongressional district.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Why Georgia and why now? Well, Georgia is going.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
To feel like the center of the political universe in
a lot of ways. There are a lot of close rations,
there are a lot of great leaders. Now is the
time to make our boys heard if we want to
break that change. And so many people not just people
who always vote Democrats, but I think a lot of
independence and the quite a see think we'd normally vote
home are ready for changing it that.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yes, calor fuman, why did you see that it was
necessary to bring people to just here to Atlanta for
this rank?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think when you think about leaders in this country, Noah,
you know, even though you can't vote yet, we need
leaders who continue to unite our country. We have enough
people dividing us, and it's very important that we uplook people.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
We're bringing folks together because with everything.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
That we're going through right now, people want leaders in
this country who are speaking to ours and right now,
our cost are continuing to go up and I am
invited for healthcare.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Every day I get calls into my office.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
People are separating, and yet they are still engaged and
still ready to fight and do what is possible because
we know that it's possible to win elections when we
all show up. But we've got to have people that
are doing this across the country. And I've seen Secretary
in action Noah, not st in Georgia, not just in Atlanta,
(13:56):
put across the country, and he's one of those leaders
that we need in.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
This fallment Pee. What are you hearing on the ground, Well,
the folks are concerned about just the basis being able
to have one job, to get paid enough with being
for healthcare, to hope you can buy a house. Power
bills are going up. There's so many challenges squeezing families.
At the same moment that the GOP conference has been
(14:22):
taking money out of he's putting in the tax pets
for wealth and now launching unnecessary and reckless So people
are upset. People are concerned. I've also noticed people are
beginning to feel the sense of their own power. Don't
like how people are going in this country.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You can change it. What are you hearing on the
grind by Iran Well.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I think for those of us who serve the military,
it's especially paint watch. A president clearly does not understand
that sacred obligation. They only send troops into hearts. There
is no alternative. Right now we are seeing the same regime,
supreme leader taking over and no clear end. Meanwhile, hear
at all not only is this obviously a huge burden
(15:01):
on people were serving, but every American is paid for
it because we're seeing more rates go up because the
death this is contributing to and we're seeing or and
or high prices at the pub because of what this
is doing for the price. When you start a war
with those plans to get out everybody certain hire's on.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
What are you hearing in the House chambers and the
House Chamber Democrats and Republicans are like are standing up
saying Congress was not consulted on going to war seeing
American truth into another country when this president, Noah, this
president told us that he was going to stop the wars,
he was not going to start new wars. But then
(15:41):
here we are fighting yet another war without conversion. Article one,
Section one says that Congress and only Congress has out
of theory and so right now the war powers both
We need more Republics that are willing to stand up
to this president and take that control in Congress because
we have three separate branches of government and the president alone.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Does not get to decide this. Absolutely. Well, we're here
in Atlanta, and for someone who's not engaged in politics
or just doesn't see what's the point of people a
jete crossing the country and hearing messages across that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Across the st Well, I'm here to send a message
that everybody has a stake. Decisions that are being made.
Sometimes it seems like it's remote. Sometimes it seems like
it's just.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
The truth is.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Decisions that are being made in Washington effect or boxed.
They affect whether we can afford live where, think you
have a good school, whether people are being sent for
all of those basics that we count on, even just
whether you have good roads or clean air. This is
the time for us to make our whispering to make
things better. One of the cheap places that's going to
help the side control of our Congress and our country
(16:47):
is right here.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And since y'all are on now, you know, I have
to ask you both, respectively, what is one piece of
misinformation that you want to confy about yourself?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Sorry for you, misinformation about myself that this work is
easy and glamorous.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
It is not glamorous.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
It is not easy, but it is necessary. And I'm
always willing to stand with the people who said be
in to Washington because no one person can do this alone.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
So I am standing with the people here. We got you.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Uh, you know, I'm a reasonable man. So some people
think that I'm not passionate, that I don't have a
lot of emotion about what's going on. Do not mistake
my demeanor for a lack of passion. I'm fired up
both about everything going wrong and about everything we could
be doing better.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, thank you both, Kayas and Pej for coming on.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Thank you, Thank y'all.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Folks. You heard all that. You heard me talking about
the race and the beginning of our great episode here,
and you also heard my conversation with Pete Butter, Judge
and Ahima Williams. Now, folks, I want to talk a
little bit more. I know this would make Pete's people
very happy, But aside from him, and aside from that,
I want to talk about the twenty and twenty eight
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presidential race, and not only the twenty twenty eight presidential race,
but I want to talk about the midterms right now.
Democrats are hungry for a candidate that speaks unfiltered, that
doesn't talk like a politician, that speaks the same language
as them in terms of not speaking as a politician,
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and someone with a clear vision of not just office hopping,
attention seeking or anything like that, but a clear vision
of speaking to people and not you know what I
took into consideration, what Andy Basheer said, not speaking at people,
but speaking to people. And what we heard from people
to Judge was his clear, just clear thoughts on the
(18:41):
state of the country and everything like that. Now, something
we didn't include is that people to Judge actually served
in the army. People to Judge actually served in the military.
He did his time in the military, and he had
a lot of thoughts about the war, about the war
in Iran. And with all this going going on, they're
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still the same thought. Are Democrats even ready? Are they
even ready for a midterm? Are they ready for a
presidential election? And be honest, I'm gonna be honest, no,
there are very few state party chairs that are ready
to even recruit candidates. For example, down here in Georgia,
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nobody knows anyone on the ballot, anybody anybody. And you know,
it's a problem, folks. Let's look like we're on the
couch for a second. You know, it's a problem if
even I don't know I had to research half the
people on my state's ballot. So imagine someone who just
(19:45):
who's a farmer, who barely has internet access, who barely
has access to transportation to the polls. How about this
someone that is a working class person in Springdale Area, Atlanta, Georgia, Morningside, Atlanta, Georgia,
who just wants to provide for their family, who just
(20:05):
wants to live life, love their pet, Go to pet Smart,
go to the farmer's market, go to Walmart. They have
no idea who any of these people are. They couldn't
even get. They're just clicking things. They're just clicking stuff.
And that's the fault of state party leadership. That is
(20:26):
the fault of state party leadership. But it's also the
fault of candidates, for example, candidates that would rather have
a more shiny office, a nicer, cleaner title, instead of
running for Commissioner of agriculture. Now, I'll tell you a
little bit about the ballot here in Georgia. You're gonna
vote for Jason Steves. And I don't make endorsements here,
but hey, this is important. I'm not a politician. I
(20:47):
don't do what. You're gonna vote for Jason Steves for governor.
You're gonna vote from the Beila Parks for lieutenant governor.
You're gonna vote for Clarence Blaylock for Commissioner of Labor, sorry,
Commissioner of Insurance. And folks, I'm usually able to give
you a full analysis on who to vote for on
your ballot, and this is this should kind of be
(21:08):
a call to action for state party leadership. No one
knows like these are, Like, we have people in this
race that no one has heard of, and now for
the first time, people are voting for these people and
they're just clicking things. So anyway, no, Democrats are not ready. Sorry,
Democrats are not ready for the midterms, and they're not
(21:29):
ready for two and twenty eight. Okay, I'll say like that.
We got candidates fighting each other in primaries up in
these different states. We got former governor of Florida, Charlie
Chris challenging an incumbent Democratic mayor. There's so much infighting.
You just had Janet Mills, the sitting governor, drop out
(21:51):
of the primary because her opponent Graham Plattner, who's an
oyster farmer, who's an oyster farmer. The governor dropped out
of the race against an oyster farmer. So it kind
of shows what messaging Democrats are looking for. Now. Look, folks,
grand Platner is definitely progressive, so progressive, very very progressive.
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But that doesn't go to say that Democrats are looking
for socialists. We're not saying Democrats are looking for extremism.
We're just saying that Democrats are looking for someone who's
ready to get up and fight. And that is what
I'm not seeing from a lot of state party leadership.
Now here's what I would like to see from people.
From the candidates I speak to, I would like them
to speak in a tone that is not I'm just
(22:37):
focused on the future of democracy in America and Mozart
and rights and no Jua Kamala Harris did say that
white did you not see what the White House did?
Did you not see what the White House did here?
Did you not see? That? Was crazy, wasn't it? No
one is speaking unfiltered. I keep hearing, oh the rights
(22:58):
and democracy as well. No, there's no older man in Statesborough,
Georgia that's gonna even understand that. There's no oyster farmer
in Maine like Graham Platner who is gonna be okay
with that. There are no cross country candidates that are
okay with you speaking a different language. And that's why
(23:18):
I now understand what Andy Basheer was saying when he
says speak to people not at people, Andy Basheer, let's
use any politician for example. Yeah, no, Grafao Warnot is
not his voter's teacher. He's older than some of his voters.
He's younger than some of his voters. Some of his
voters can be his grandfather. Some of the voters are
(23:42):
his sons that just went to college. Right. And if
you're speaking at people, they're not gonna want to vote
for you. If you're saying blah blah bla blah bl
and you're not they can't even understand what you're saying. Like,
sometimes I'll speak to a candidate, Right, I'm going to
be frank. Sometimes I'll speak to a candidate and I'll
(24:03):
be like, wait, what did she say? I asked you,
are you going to be the fiftieth vote on raising
the minimum wage? How do we get to rights? I
asked you if you were going to be the tie
breaking vote on Affordable Care Act. I asked you, because
we're probably gonna have a fifty to fifty map in November.
I asked you a very simple question. And somehow we're
(24:25):
talking about JdE Vance. Somehow we're attacking the characters of
the cabinet. Somehow we're insulting. It's so weird. So if
I ask you, and this is a message to any
candidate that comes on, or any presidential candidate that I
speak to ever, or any Senate candidate or governor candidate,
(24:45):
let's not get into the ramble in the long chatter
that people on this show cannot understand, or people that
vote every single day cannot understand. Now here's what I
have to do, folks, whether that's social media, on the streets,
wherever it is, I have to be the translator for
these politicians. We shouldn't have politician whisperers. We shouldn't have
(25:08):
people having to ask what does that mean? If he says,
if I ask a candidate what he's gonna do about
medicare what it means to have a filibuster? Oh sorry,
I can't do that. There's gonna be a filibuster. And
then someone asked what does that mean? No, say, they
(25:30):
not gonna let me do it. That's why I need
you to like I need you to like me, and
I need you to go donate to the oyster farmer
in Maine. So we have another Senate seat. So I'm
Roy Cooper in North Carolina running for the United States
Senate and we probably have a flip yay, right, and
we probably have a flip. And someone asked me what
a filibuster is, and they're saying, oh, what I'm focused on.
(25:51):
I'm focused on being a tie breaking vote for our
rights and our future in the United States Senate. And
let me be clear, they're probably gonna filibuster that, right,
And I love Roy Cooper. But if I'm Roy Cooper, right,
I'm gonna explain what filibustering is. And I'm not gonna
use big words at people. I'm gonna speak with people
right now. That was random Roy Cooper. Shout out to
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Roy Cooper. He's wonderful, just thinking of a Senate candidate. Right,
if I'm John alsof John Ausov is actually doing a
wonderful job messaging to people across the country. He's using
one word that a lot of people are afraid to say. Corruption, corruption, corruption.
He says corruption, he says the words that people know.
No one knows what a filibuster is. Hardly if you
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ask majority of voters, they're not gonna know. No one
knows what a No one knows these terms, right, No
one knows these terms. So here's my message to people
running for president, running for Senate, running for governor in
the midterms, and in twenty twenty eight. Please, like Andy
Basheer said, I now know what that means. He's not
(26:57):
saying to ditch the messaging we had in twenty twenty
four completely. He's just saying to speak to people and
not at people. In conversations like the ones I had
with People to Judge, remind me that we need to
be upfront with our politicians. It doesn't always need to
be a sit down cover. We don't need to be
with headphones and sitting down like this is a meeting.
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I stood up with people to Judge in front of
the house and we had our conversation, and I hope
you guys enjoyed that. Now, if you enjoyed any part
of this episode, I ask you to leave a review.
Tell follow me on the socials at Noative rosso follow
me everywhere and keep up with what I'm saying, and
I really appreciate it, and go research these candidates on
these ballots. Don't be lazy, because these primaries matter. You
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can't just say, oh, they're all Democrats, so it's gonna
be fine. Don't vote for the guy with the cleanest name.
Don't vote for the guy that had the name that
sounds like you cousins don't sound Don't vote for the
guy that sounds like he's gonna do good. Do some
research and ask me any questions you may have on
social media, because I might respond. Thank you guys tuning in.
I greatly appreciate it.
Now you know and No de Brosso is a production
of iHeartMedia and partnership with Resent Choice Media. Well, folks,
I was scheduling myself an interview as the secretary, former
Secretary of Transportation, former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and
twenty twenty presidential candidate and really popular candidate with Democrats,
(00:22):
Pete Boudhajej. I was setting up what I thought was
going to be a great interview, and then I and
then we were setting it up right, And it got
me thinking, is Secretary Budhajes preparing a run for president? Now?
I was asked not to ask any presidential questions, meaning right,
(00:44):
It got me thinking, are candidates really starting to prepare
themselves for twenty twenty eight? Let's get into what everyone
is doing, right. Wes Moore is outright denying. He says
I'm not gonna do it. Gavin Newsom is outside okay,
he did a book, He's been tweeting a lot, a lot.
(01:07):
I can't say. He's been uber focused on the California
governor race, which will be his successor. So if I
were him, I would probably be little in that. I
would say. And this is me being very very blunt
with all of the candidates. Gavin Newsom's been very vocal,
(01:31):
very very vocal on social media, very vocal. That's what
he's been doing. We had the last nominee for president,
Kamala Harris. We had her on a book tour talking
about what her vision is for the future of the country,
going across the country on a book tour, speaking to people,
going to small businesses, meeting with people, hearing people, and
(01:51):
stuff like that. We have Josh Shapiro, who did a book,
did a big interview with The Atlantic. To me, at
least I will tell you, Okay, how about this, We'll
make a promise. I will tell you my personal opinion
about who I think is going to run at the
end of this. Now, this is something people have been
wanting to hear for a minute, especially since we have
had Kamala Harris on the show. People have been curious
(02:13):
about perspective on this. So we're gonna continue to do this. Okay,
So Josh Shapiro has done several interviews. He's gonna come
on the show. He said he's gonna come on the
show regarding his reelection very very soon. So stay tuned
for that. Great guy. Josh Shapiro, one of my favorites,
didn't interview with The Atlantic, recently selling a book and
just really doing the work as governor of Pennsylvania. I
(02:34):
will say that he's been doing stuff like last year,
we did an Instagram live about how you can deduct
your student loan debt on your taxes. You can deduct
up to twenty five hundred dollars of student loan debt
on your taxes, which is something that people of Pennsylvania
were really stoked to hear about. And then we're we're
not going to get to last yet. And then we
(02:55):
have someone like Gretchen Whitmer, who visited the President at
the White House, who accompanied the President at the White
House for a meeting a meeting, and she was not
proud of it. You know, she wasn't proud of it.
We'll say that she hid her face over folders. You know, well, okay,
(03:15):
I'm not gonna I'm gonna stop being around the bus.
She went to the Oval Office, had a meeting with
the President and then hid her face through the folders.
A lot of people in the Democratic Party think she
is the absolute future. They swear by Gretchen Whitmer and
I haven't had much of a conversation with the Gretchen Whitmer,
but they see her as the future of the country.
They see her as the next Democratic nominee. So she's
been doing that. No books, no social media tour, no tour,
(03:42):
no cross country anything. No, she's really just been in Michigan.
She's not running for the US Senate or anything like that.
And who else am I forgetting? I gotta be forgetting
one of these people. Oh and Governor, let me tell
you folks a story. So every year Georgia Democrats host
this dinner. It's called the Carter Lewis Freedom Dinner. Now
(04:06):
with my great friend Rural Roman shout out to real Roman.
I was invited to the Carter Lewis Freedom Dinner this year,
but in the email, they invited me to the VIP reception,
which would feature you guessed it, Andy Basher and the
rest of the people speaking. We're not gonna name everyone,
but Andy Basheer took it upon himself to come to
(04:26):
the Georgia Democratic Party annual dinner. And you know what
it means when a candidate, a national politician comes in
and speaks and speaks and speaks and speaks with the
Georgia Democrats. So we had Andy Basheer talking about his
vision of future of the party. He said he shouldn't
speak at voters, you should speak to voters. And I
(04:47):
was sitting next to some people that were concerned about
that message, especially considering it sounds like he was hinting
at I want to say the wokeness, the extra political correctness.
And I had a few pe what my table personally
confused about that message. But he spoke about his record
of paving roads and building highways and everything up in
(05:07):
Kentucky into and into the surprise of a lot of
people listening, Kentucky does have a democratic governor. I can't
say that they're gonna have a democratic governor next year
when the current governor's not up for reelection. But just
like Gretcha Whitmer and some of the other folks were
not getting into today governor. But Shaer chose not to
run for the US Senate. But what could that mean? Yeah,
(05:29):
and Andy b Scheer seems like I didn't meet him
because folks, let me tell you something. I was late
to the to the VIP reception. I came while the
dinner was over a brother was late, so yes, that
was very late to the party, but he was there
and speaking to George Democrats, and if few George Democrats
I know, such as Sean Harris who just had an
outstanding result in his congressional race for Marjorie Taylor Green seat.
(05:53):
So we had Andy Basheer, and then next up, I'm
gonna just call them the senators because down here they
just they're called the Senate. We don't call him with
every saying the senators are here. We have Senator Osov
and Senator Warnock. Now recently Senator asof said he not interested.
He good, he's straight off that he's not trying to
run for president of the United States. He said he
has no zero he said himself, he has zero interest
(06:17):
in running for president of the United States. So that's
his words. And then next up, next to Governor Basher,
We've got people all across the country that are like Ramamanuel,
who is a minor candidate for the presidency, is not
a fan of the wokeness, you know, the messaging, and Manuel,
I'm a Manuel. And then we got someone who was
(06:39):
relevant to the show because we just had the Lieutenant
governor on the podcast Lieutenant Governor Stratton. I don't know
when this is coming out, but it really don't matter.
I just had a great interview with Juliana Stritten And
guess who was also at the Carter Lewis Freedom Dinner
last year? You guessed it, JB. Pritzker. JB. Pritzker was
at the Carter Lewis Freedom Dinner in November of last year.
(07:02):
You know what that means when a national politician comes
and speaks with the Georgia Democrats. The same rules that
applied to Andysheer, I'm applying it to JB. Pritzker. You
know what it means when a candidate, a national candidate
comes speaks to george Democrats. Wink wink. So we got JB. Pritzker,
Andy Wassheer, Gretchen Weber, Kamala Harris, all these people work
are considering. And when we asked Kamala Harris if she
(07:25):
was gonna run, you know what she said. She said,
maybe I'm thinking about we gotta focus on the midterms.
Everything like that, And then we I've asked so many
of these people, but lastly, the person who was most
relevant to this discussion, Oh my gosh, nobody helped me.
Somebody helped me. Who am I talking about? I might
have to stand up for this one. Who am I
talking about? I'm talking about Pete Boudagees, the guy who Okay,
(07:48):
this guy, folks ran for president in twenty twenty and
everyone was like, who is this dude? And he was
this mayor from this middle mid sized town in Indiana.
Everyone's He's like, who's this guy? He spoke like Obama.
He was a clean cut guy, white boy from Indiana.
And everyone was energized, right, everyone. We had the aunties
(08:11):
and the resist Live aunties. I should say he had
his own dance. We're not gonna do that here, but
Pete Budajees had his own dance in the primary, and
it was a lot of people energized for the Pete
Boudajet campaign. Now that didn't really equate to a lot
because he ended up polling, you know, three five percent.
(08:31):
That was in twenty twenty though. He was just getting
out there. And then the president saw Pete Boudajeest as
the future of the party, right, and he actually made
Pete Boudajest's Transportation secretary. And let me tell you, he
did so many great things as Transportation secretary. Let me
be clear, if you have your flight canceled and you
have to stay overnight, well, Pete Boudajet, I don't know
if Trump to Trump provoke that, I don't know. I
(08:52):
have to see that. But if you miss your flight,
if they cancel your flight and you have to stay overnight,
guess what. Pete Boudajet, the Transportation secretary appointed by Joe Biden,
made it so that you get not only a hotel,
but you get your food covered. That was Pete Budajudge.
Pete budajege make the plane safer. And you wonder why.
As soon as Pete Budajeg left the Transportation Secretary's office,
(09:17):
plane started flying out of the air. Thanks Sean Duffy.
But folks, let me be clear. Pete Budajes came on
with a message. He said, he told me not to
ask anything about running for president. That's okay. He came
on with a very clear message. He's going across the country.
He's been Ohio, he's been a every like any swing
state you can think of. And he actually moved to Michigan.
(09:38):
We're gonna talk about that. And he actually came to
Georgia to campaign alongside Nikima Williams, the congresswoman that you
guys all know on this show. He came down here
to campaign for her. And you know what it means.
I've said this three times. I sound like a rivoren
at this point. You know what it means when a
national politician comes down here to talk to Georgia Democrats.
(10:01):
Who else am I going to say that about today?
You know what it means when a national politician comes
down to speak to george Democrats. And that's exactly what
Pete Boudajet did. I conducted an interview with Secretary Yes, yes,
I conducted. Finally, folks, My third most like tweet on
the Twitter app is my picture with Pete Budajeest where
he was very nice and I caught up with Secretary
(10:23):
Budajest when we had ourself a discussion at someone's mansion
in Atlanta for a fundraiser he was hosting for Nikima Williams. Now,
Pete Boudajeg actually moved from South Bend, Indiana, where he
was the mayor, to Traverse City, Michigan, and Secretary Budajudge,
who now lives in Michigan, had the opportunity to run
(10:44):
for the US Senate. He had the opportunity to run
for the US Senate in Michigan a governor of Michigan,
as a highly, very well known candidate. He's one of
the top politicians there are. And guess what he chose
not to run for governor in US Senate. So, folks,
are we starting to see a pattern? We got four people,
(11:05):
I think three people I named came down to speak
to Georgia Democrats Wink wink wink. We had three people
who had had opportunities to run for the US Senate
and didn't had opportunities to make themselves busy during the
presidential election and didn't. Gretchen Whitmer, Andy Vasheer, Pee Buddhajeedge
(11:29):
wink Wink didn't run for the US Senate. So pe
Boudajage said, I'm not running for governor of Michigan. I'm
not running for senator of Michigan. My focus is on
messaging across the country. Da da da da dah. You
know you know the stuff, right, And that got me like,
whoa what is pee Booda jeedge cooking up? So, folks,
(11:51):
all that talk about the twenty twenty eighth presidential election.
I have a treat for you. We have someone one
of the people that we discussed here I conduct an
interview with to talk about this and to talk about
his travel cross country, his record, and what his goal
is in doing this. We have Pete Budajes, someone that
you guys have been wanting me to collaborate with for
(12:14):
so long now and I have finally been able to
provide it to you. Shout out to the great comms
team and everything like that team. We all know what time.
It is a great conversation between myself, people to jaj
and congresswoman and Kima Williams, who he came out here
campaigned for. Let's get right into it, Pee, what brings
you to Georgia.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I'm here to support great candidates and causes like the
Keima Williams, my friends running here in the fifth prongressional district.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Why Georgia and why now? Well, Georgia is going.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
To feel like the center of the political universe in
a lot of ways. There are a lot of close rations,
there are a lot of great leaders. Now is the
time to make our boys heard if we want to
break that change. And so many people not just people
who always vote Democrats, but I think a lot of
independence and the quite a see think we'd normally vote
home are ready for changing it that.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yes, calor fuman, why did you see that it was
necessary to bring people to just here to Atlanta for
this rank?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think when you think about leaders in this country, Noah,
you know, even though you can't vote yet, we need
leaders who continue to unite our country. We have enough
people dividing us, and it's very important that we uplook people.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
We're bringing folks together because with everything.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
That we're going through right now, people want leaders in
this country who are speaking to ours and right now,
our cost are continuing to go up and I am
invited for healthcare.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Every day I get calls into my office.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
People are separating, and yet they are still engaged and
still ready to fight and do what is possible because
we know that it's possible to win elections when we
all show up. But we've got to have people that
are doing this across the country. And I've seen Secretary
in action Noah, not st in Georgia, not just in Atlanta,
(13:56):
put across the country, and he's one of those leaders
that we need in.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
This fallment Pee. What are you hearing on the ground, Well,
the folks are concerned about just the basis being able
to have one job, to get paid enough with being
for healthcare, to hope you can buy a house. Power
bills are going up. There's so many challenges squeezing families.
At the same moment that the GOP conference has been
(14:22):
taking money out of he's putting in the tax pets
for wealth and now launching unnecessary and reckless So people
are upset. People are concerned. I've also noticed people are
beginning to feel the sense of their own power. Don't
like how people are going in this country.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You can change it. What are you hearing on the
grind by Iran Well.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I think for those of us who serve the military,
it's especially paint watch. A president clearly does not understand
that sacred obligation. They only send troops into hearts. There
is no alternative. Right now we are seeing the same regime,
supreme leader taking over and no clear end. Meanwhile, hear
at all not only is this obviously a huge burden
(15:01):
on people were serving, but every American is paid for
it because we're seeing more rates go up because the
death this is contributing to and we're seeing or and
or high prices at the pub because of what this
is doing for the price. When you start a war
with those plans to get out everybody certain hire's on.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
What are you hearing in the House chambers and the
House Chamber Democrats and Republicans are like are standing up
saying Congress was not consulted on going to war seeing
American truth into another country when this president, Noah, this
president told us that he was going to stop the wars,
he was not going to start new wars. But then
(15:41):
here we are fighting yet another war without conversion. Article one,
Section one says that Congress and only Congress has out
of theory and so right now the war powers both
We need more Republics that are willing to stand up
to this president and take that control in Congress because
we have three separate branches of government and the president alone.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Does not get to decide this. Absolutely. Well, we're here
in Atlanta, and for someone who's not engaged in politics
or just doesn't see what's the point of people a
jete crossing the country and hearing messages across that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Across the st Well, I'm here to send a message
that everybody has a stake. Decisions that are being made.
Sometimes it seems like it's remote. Sometimes it seems like
it's just.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
The truth is.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Decisions that are being made in Washington effect or boxed.
They affect whether we can afford live where, think you
have a good school, whether people are being sent for
all of those basics that we count on, even just
whether you have good roads or clean air. This is
the time for us to make our whispering to make
things better. One of the cheap places that's going to
help the side control of our Congress and our country
(16:47):
is right here.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And since y'all are on now, you know, I have
to ask you both, respectively, what is one piece of
misinformation that you want to confy about yourself?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Sorry for you, misinformation about myself that this work is
easy and glamorous.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
It is not glamorous.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
It is not easy, but it is necessary. And I'm
always willing to stand with the people who said be
in to Washington because no one person can do this alone.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
So I am standing with the people here. We got you.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Uh, you know, I'm a reasonable man. So some people
think that I'm not passionate, that I don't have a
lot of emotion about what's going on. Do not mistake
my demeanor for a lack of passion. I'm fired up
both about everything going wrong and about everything we could
be doing better.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, thank you both, Kayas and Pej for coming on.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Thank you, Thank y'all.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Folks. You heard all that. You heard me talking about
the race and the beginning of our great episode here,
and you also heard my conversation with Pete Butter, Judge
and Ahima Williams. Now, folks, I want to talk a
little bit more. I know this would make Pete's people
very happy, But aside from him, and aside from that,
I want to talk about the twenty and twenty eight
(17:57):
presidential race, and not only the twenty twenty eight presidential race,
but I want to talk about the midterms right now.
Democrats are hungry for a candidate that speaks unfiltered, that
doesn't talk like a politician, that speaks the same language
as them in terms of not speaking as a politician,
(18:18):
and someone with a clear vision of not just office hopping,
attention seeking or anything like that, but a clear vision
of speaking to people and not you know what I
took into consideration, what Andy Basheer said, not speaking at people,
but speaking to people. And what we heard from people
to Judge was his clear, just clear thoughts on the
(18:41):
state of the country and everything like that. Now, something
we didn't include is that people to Judge actually served
in the army. People to Judge actually served in the military.
He did his time in the military, and he had
a lot of thoughts about the war, about the war
in Iran. And with all this going going on, they're
(19:01):
still the same thought. Are Democrats even ready? Are they
even ready for a midterm? Are they ready for a
presidential election? And be honest, I'm gonna be honest, no,
there are very few state party chairs that are ready
to even recruit candidates. For example, down here in Georgia,
(19:23):
nobody knows anyone on the ballot, anybody anybody. And you know,
it's a problem, folks. Let's look like we're on the
couch for a second. You know, it's a problem if
even I don't know I had to research half the
people on my state's ballot. So imagine someone who just
(19:45):
who's a farmer, who barely has internet access, who barely
has access to transportation to the polls. How about this
someone that is a working class person in Springdale Area, Atlanta, Georgia, Morningside, Atlanta, Georgia,
who just wants to provide for their family, who just
(20:05):
wants to live life, love their pet, Go to pet Smart,
go to the farmer's market, go to Walmart. They have
no idea who any of these people are. They couldn't
even get. They're just clicking things. They're just clicking stuff.
And that's the fault of state party leadership. That is
(20:26):
the fault of state party leadership. But it's also the
fault of candidates, for example, candidates that would rather have
a more shiny office, a nicer, cleaner title, instead of
running for Commissioner of agriculture. Now, I'll tell you a
little bit about the ballot here in Georgia. You're gonna
vote for Jason Steves. And I don't make endorsements here,
but hey, this is important. I'm not a politician. I
(20:47):
don't do what. You're gonna vote for Jason Steves for governor.
You're gonna vote from the Beila Parks for lieutenant governor.
You're gonna vote for Clarence Blaylock for Commissioner of Labor, sorry,
Commissioner of Insurance. And folks, I'm usually able to give
you a full analysis on who to vote for on
your ballot, and this is this should kind of be
(21:08):
a call to action for state party leadership. No one
knows like these are, Like, we have people in this
race that no one has heard of, and now for
the first time, people are voting for these people and
they're just clicking things. So anyway, no, Democrats are not ready. Sorry,
Democrats are not ready for the midterms, and they're not
(21:29):
ready for two and twenty eight. Okay, I'll say like that.
We got candidates fighting each other in primaries up in
these different states. We got former governor of Florida, Charlie
Chris challenging an incumbent Democratic mayor. There's so much infighting.
You just had Janet Mills, the sitting governor, drop out
(21:51):
of the primary because her opponent Graham Plattner, who's an
oyster farmer, who's an oyster farmer. The governor dropped out
of the race against an oyster farmer. So it kind
of shows what messaging Democrats are looking for. Now. Look, folks,
grand Platner is definitely progressive, so progressive, very very progressive.
(22:14):
But that doesn't go to say that Democrats are looking
for socialists. We're not saying Democrats are looking for extremism.
We're just saying that Democrats are looking for someone who's
ready to get up and fight. And that is what
I'm not seeing from a lot of state party leadership.
Now here's what I would like to see from people.
From the candidates I speak to, I would like them
to speak in a tone that is not I'm just
(22:37):
focused on the future of democracy in America and Mozart
and rights and no Jua Kamala Harris did say that
white did you not see what the White House did?
Did you not see what the White House did here?
Did you not see? That? Was crazy, wasn't it? No
one is speaking unfiltered. I keep hearing, oh the rights
(22:58):
and democracy as well. No, there's no older man in Statesborough,
Georgia that's gonna even understand that. There's no oyster farmer
in Maine like Graham Platner who is gonna be okay
with that. There are no cross country candidates that are
okay with you speaking a different language. And that's why
(23:18):
I now understand what Andy Basheer was saying when he
says speak to people not at people, Andy Basheer, let's
use any politician for example. Yeah, no, Grafao Warnot is
not his voter's teacher. He's older than some of his voters.
He's younger than some of his voters. Some of his
voters can be his grandfather. Some of the voters are
(23:42):
his sons that just went to college. Right. And if
you're speaking at people, they're not gonna want to vote
for you. If you're saying blah blah bla blah bl
and you're not they can't even understand what you're saying. Like,
sometimes I'll speak to a candidate, Right, I'm going to
be frank. Sometimes I'll speak to a candidate and I'll
(24:03):
be like, wait, what did she say? I asked you,
are you going to be the fiftieth vote on raising
the minimum wage? How do we get to rights? I
asked you if you were going to be the tie
breaking vote on Affordable Care Act. I asked you, because
we're probably gonna have a fifty to fifty map in November.
I asked you a very simple question. And somehow we're
(24:25):
talking about JdE Vance. Somehow we're attacking the characters of
the cabinet. Somehow we're insulting. It's so weird. So if
I ask you, and this is a message to any
candidate that comes on, or any presidential candidate that I
speak to ever, or any Senate candidate or governor candidate,
(24:45):
let's not get into the ramble in the long chatter
that people on this show cannot understand, or people that
vote every single day cannot understand. Now here's what I
have to do, folks, whether that's social media, on the streets,
wherever it is, I have to be the translator for
these politicians. We shouldn't have politician whisperers. We shouldn't have
(25:08):
people having to ask what does that mean? If he says,
if I ask a candidate what he's gonna do about
medicare what it means to have a filibuster? Oh sorry,
I can't do that. There's gonna be a filibuster. And
then someone asked what does that mean? No, say, they
(25:30):
not gonna let me do it. That's why I need
you to like I need you to like me, and
I need you to go donate to the oyster farmer
in Maine. So we have another Senate seat. So I'm
Roy Cooper in North Carolina running for the United States
Senate and we probably have a flip yay, right, and
we probably have a flip. And someone asked me what
a filibuster is, and they're saying, oh, what I'm focused on.
(25:51):
I'm focused on being a tie breaking vote for our
rights and our future in the United States Senate. And
let me be clear, they're probably gonna filibuster that, right,
And I love Roy Cooper. But if I'm Roy Cooper, right,
I'm gonna explain what filibustering is. And I'm not gonna
use big words at people. I'm gonna speak with people
right now. That was random Roy Cooper. Shout out to
(26:13):
Roy Cooper. He's wonderful, just thinking of a Senate candidate. Right,
if I'm John alsof John Ausov is actually doing a
wonderful job messaging to people across the country. He's using
one word that a lot of people are afraid to say. Corruption, corruption, corruption.
He says corruption, he says the words that people know.
No one knows what a filibuster is. Hardly if you
(26:36):
ask majority of voters, they're not gonna know. No one
knows what a No one knows these terms, right, No
one knows these terms. So here's my message to people
running for president, running for Senate, running for governor in
the midterms, and in twenty twenty eight. Please, like Andy
Basheer said, I now know what that means. He's not
(26:57):
saying to ditch the messaging we had in twenty twenty
four completely. He's just saying to speak to people and
not at people. In conversations like the ones I had
with People to Judge, remind me that we need to
be upfront with our politicians. It doesn't always need to
be a sit down cover. We don't need to be
with headphones and sitting down like this is a meeting.
(27:19):
I stood up with people to Judge in front of
the house and we had our conversation, and I hope
you guys enjoyed that. Now, if you enjoyed any part
of this episode, I ask you to leave a review.
Tell follow me on the socials at Noative rosso follow
me everywhere and keep up with what I'm saying, and
I really appreciate it, and go research these candidates on
these ballots. Don't be lazy, because these primaries matter. You
(27:41):
can't just say, oh, they're all Democrats, so it's gonna
be fine. Don't vote for the guy with the cleanest name.
Don't vote for the guy that had the name that
sounds like you cousins don't sound Don't vote for the
guy that sounds like he's gonna do good. Do some
research and ask me any questions you may have on
social media, because I might respond. Thank you guys tuning in.
I greatly appreciate it.
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