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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My first concern was that you'd had a stroke. I
was concerned that you had a stroke. And when blood
flow is cut off, whether it be to the brain
or to the heart, seconds matter.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hello, family, I'm TD Jason. I'm the host of next chapter.
And who knows what the next chapter will be. Sometimes
there are sudden changes, and the changes are disruptive and
not anticipated. Have you considered the possibilities of what can
happen in your life. I've got a very, very knowledgeable

(00:32):
and special guests that I'm excited to share with you
and to share his knowledge, his wisdom, and his perspectives,
which I find to be very unique in the person
of doctor Darryl Amos. Welcome. I am thrilled to have

(00:53):
you here. I've been looking forward to this day just
to share with my audience some of the things that
we talk about in private chapter number one, becoming a doctor.
Let's start though, Let's back up all the way back
up to your career journey. Can you talk a little

(01:13):
bit about your career history.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, my father's side of the families originally from Mississippi,
my mother from Tennessee. They migrated a part of the
Great Migration into the Midwest. My father was an Alcorn
student who got involved with the civil rights and had
to flee Mississippi and ended up where his brothers were,
somewhere in Michigan and Detroit and somewhere in Chicago. And

(01:40):
so I started my journey started just outside Chicago, in
a small town called Joliet, And from a very young age,
I knew that I wanted to be a physician. My
grandmother always told the story, which I don't know how
true it is. She said that one day she was
outside the church and one of the deacons ran to
her and told her that he had watched me turn
muddy water clear, and that he knew that I had

(02:03):
some special gift. And so from that time, though, from
a very young age, I knew that I wanted to
be a position.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
You know, when you think about that desire, talk a
little bit more about how you made your desire become
a reality, because I remember growing up in school and
that always asked all of us, what do you want
to be when you grew up? And some said firemen,
some said engineers, and very few people followed through that
journey all the way to the end. So tell us
about your education and your background, the schools you went to,

(02:34):
that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
So I'm a mixture of different. We spent six years
in the Chicago area. My father took a job with
the Dial Chemical Company. We moved to Midland, Michigan, which
if you grow up in Michigan, people hold their hand up.
And the Tri cities, Saginaw's where Stevie Wonder and Draymond
Green are from. Yes, Bay City, I think Madonna's from there.

(02:56):
And then there's a little Midland where I grew up.
And we spent some time in Midland. Then I spent
four years in Upstate New York. That was a very
tough school system, and around sixth grade we moved back
to Michigan, back to Midland, and I graduated and then
went to college in Atlanta at Morehouse.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Wow, I didn't know that. I didn't know that part
about Stevie Wonder. I didn't know that they produced that
many influential people. So you ended up at Morehouse? And
what did you take at Morehouse? And where'd you go?

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I was a science major. Knew that I wanted to
be a physician. I think a lot of people aren't aware,
but the HBCUs are critical to the supply physicians. More
House in particular, produces more black physicians, black male physicians,
and anywhere in the country. The folks at Howard might
grimace a little bit, but Howard and some of the

(03:48):
other black institutions are where we get our black physicians from.
So from there I was planning to go back either
to the University of Michigan or to Wayne State, and
my mental or JK. Haynes at Morehouse, and another person
that is well familiar to most of the folks that
were in the science program named doctor Blocker, steered me

(04:10):
to the School of Medicine, where lou Sullivan had founded,
you know, a black medical school at a time where
we had a shortage. It was designed to reach the
rural areas because there's still an under supply of black physicians,
and we see a deficit of young men now going
to medical school more than we have even in past years.

(04:33):
So I went to the School of Medicine and from
there I rotated. In my time at Grady Hospital, I
was exposed to surgery because at first I thought I
was going to be an obstetrician gynecologist, and then I
rotated and thought I was being a cardiologist.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
And when I got.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
To the surgical rotation, there was an attitude that I
didn't belong and all you have to do is sperm
me along as tell me I can't do something, and
that's what I want to do. And so I ended
up deciding to take the route of surgery and I
went to the University of Mississippi, ole Miss and Jackson
and I did my five years of general surgery training

(05:13):
there and made it back to Atlanta and then to
Dallas where I did a fellowship in critical care.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
And John Hopkins is somewhere in your story too.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Mark Jenkins. Mark Jenkins, Yeah, he's a John Hopkins guy.
I went to the med school and then went to
Ole Miss and got very good training in Mississippi. I
will tell you people used to sleep on it. But
the trauma center there was the only level one in
the state and a very famous doctor, doctor Hardy, who

(05:44):
was very instrumental in bringing African American surgeons to the
forefront of the community. The surgical community was there and
that's where MegaR Evers was operated on when he was shot.
That's where the first heart transplant was attempted. It was
a primate heart, but it was attempted on a black
man and he had notoriety for that. The actual successful

(06:08):
heart transplant that we talk about happened in South Africa
with a physician named Christian Bernard. But I share that
story because my intern year. We were in there and
we were operating and the heart the chest was open
and they asked me where it was the first heart transplant,
and when I said South Africa, Christian Bernard, the room
was silent.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Tapped to number two, diversity in medicine. To our listening audience,
this is more than a matter of the and you
work on more people than black people. You work on
anybody that comes along. But the advantage of having a
diverse staff of physicians who who understand cultural distinctions and

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the different nuances. There are certain things that African Americans
bodies are made differently. They have different maladies like sickle
cell anemia, they can easily be misdiagnosed. And having a
wide array of people, male or female, what have you,
creates a sensitivity and a comfortability between the patient and
the doctor that they might not otherwise get. And you

(07:12):
can see into some things because you understand the nuances
of how that particular person or species, their body reacts
blood pressure, more sensitive to high pertension or diabetes or
that sort of thing. Don't you think that the more
diverse the staff is at a hospital, the more proficient

(07:32):
they become.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, the word that comes to mind for me is empathy.
It's one thing for you to get a call and
someone says your child's in a car wreck, versus somebody
gives you a call and says somebody you know who's
child's in the wreck. Your ability to respond is based
on how you identify with that person.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
And I think the diversity.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's become a bad word, but I think it's needed
because we identify. We understand Pop Paul worked at the Plan,
Pop all ate fat back and greens and pop all
head high pretension. You know, we understand the stresses of
being a black man in the sixties and in the fifties,

(08:14):
working hard.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Your family.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
You often tell the story of your father and how
he resurrected a business and the stressors.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
So we identify.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
And so when I'm called in on a level one
trauma in the emergency room, and I come down and
I see a young black male, a young Hispanic male,
and even sometimes a young white male I identify with
my kids, they're of that age. I think about them
out at college driving and a drunk driver coming across
the road. So I think, to your point, empathy, we

(08:48):
have to you know, you like to say it your
in your sermons. We have a high priest who can
be touched by the feeling of our infirmity.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
We need that touch, we need that connection.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
See, I'm a little bit scared this guy is going
to take my job, you know, because he's proficient only
in both languages, which is an odd parallel between spirituality
and science and having them fused together in one person
and understanding it. But what I want you to realize
that makes this on nearly the first anniversary since I

(09:22):
had my heart attack, Chapter three, my heart attack, that
my personal physician, who was in the service when that
happened to me, immediately contacted to him and doctor Amos,
and doctor Amos was expecting me who also attends my church,
and it was a welcome face. The first face I

(09:45):
saw when I got out of the ambulance was his,
and he looked at me and said, don't worry about anything.
You're going to be all right. And I've relaxed. I
just believed into it. I rested into it. And besides,
I didn't really think that point that I had had
a heart attack. I thought that I was dehydrated. I

(10:05):
thought maybe, you know, it was some mine or something.
But I didn't think it was anything that serious. But
doctor Jill Wagner had let you know the severity of
the situation we were dealing with, and they were fighting
for my life. In fact, one person said, had I
been five minutes later getting to the emergency room, that
I probably wouldn't have made it. But this guy was

(10:27):
on watch there when you first heard about what had
happened to me, because you've seen me preaching, teaching, run
across the aisle and crossover pews and stand on my
head and do all kinds of stuff. When you first
heard about it, what went through you, man?

Speaker 1 (10:43):
So the physician side kicks in and we start like
a computer ticking off. Differential diagnoses what makes a person
a faint, and there are a lot of things we
talk about singable episodes, such something that causes a certain shock.

(11:03):
You can have something called a vagel response. But when
I talked to doctor Wagner, my first concern was that
you'd had a stroke. I was concerned that you had
a stroke. And when blood flow is cut off, whether
it be to the brain or to the heart, seconds matter.
And so in my mind when I hear that, I

(11:23):
flip over a kind of a mental picture of an
hour glass and the sand is coming down, and trauma.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
We call it the golden hour trauma.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
I know when a bleeding patient comes in, I have
a set window to stop that bleeding. We say, all
bleeding stops eventually, and I always tell my residence, either
we stop it or the body stops it, and it's
not good. So I was concerned that you were having
a lack of blood flow to the brain. And I

(11:54):
didn't know whether it was a hypertensive stroke where a
blood vestable had ruptured, or whether a blood.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Clot had cut off.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
But I knew that if you had a stroke, we
had to get thrombo khyes or strepto kydes in the
clockbuster we call it immediately to restore blood flow. And
so when I met you and we talked, and you
recognize me, so I knew that you were cognitive yes.
And so if you recall, and you may not remember,

(12:23):
the first thing I did was I had already moved
Heaven and Earth's in the emergency room, and we cleared everything,
and we took you to the cat scanner. Yes, and
I sat there and watched the images roll off. And
while we were getting everything set up, we were also
doing ekg's, and so while the cat scan was giving
us information, the EKG alerted us that you had an

(12:44):
abnormal EKG and signs of MYO cardio a schemia, no
blood flow to the heart.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Now, this is the thing you got to realize. I
had just had a complete physical I had just had
a great EKG. I had already lost thirty some pounds.
I didn't feel any pain, no numbness in my arm,
I didn't feel any tingling in my feet, none of
the things that they tell you to look for. And
so the diagnosis was shocking to me. Yes. Yeah, When

(13:14):
the doctor said to me, you've had a massive heart attack,
I almost said get out of here, you know, because
because we have a certain picture of what trauma will
look like, but it doesn't look the same in everybody.
And even though you have been to your physicians and
gone through your routines and your EKG looks good and

(13:35):
all that, it doesn't necessarily mean that you won't have
a sudden turn of events that disrupts your entire It
disrupted my whole life in some ways.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, I will tell you that in particular, I went
and watched them put the caster in your leg and
scort to die.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
And you had clotted off.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Your right cornery artery, and so the right side of
your heart was not really getting oxygen and functioning. Fortunately
for you, you know, your heart was strong enough and
you were still getting some blood flow. But that can
be caused by a low flow state. A lot of
times with heart attacks, we see blockages of the arteries.

(14:17):
You know, they're completely occluded, and they have to go
in and put a balloon in and dilate the artery
and kind.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Of re established flow.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
But with your stint being placed you immediately they once
they gave you the hepron, which we used to the
grandma would say, thin the blood. Once you got the
bolus of hepron and they started shooting the X rays,
I watched as your your heart, the right heart cornary
vessel opened up, you did go into a funky little

(14:48):
arrhythmia that that made me a little nervous. I sat
there for a while and you quickly converted. And I've
opened up kid's chests in the middle of the night
because they've been shot. And I can tell you that
when you touch the heart or you hold the heart,
it's very sensitive. It will fibrillate and kind of the

(15:08):
coordination of its contractions get off. And that's what you
experienced when we say in a rhythmia, because I think
a lot of people think that when they say that
Lamar Hamlin had a heart attack, he didn't have the event.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
That you had.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
He took a shot to the chest which threw out
the rhythm of his chest, and so now the heart
is not coordinated in its contraction. We say in mes
we call it the love dub, where the ventricles contract
and relax and then the atrium contract and relax.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
So you looked at you looked at when you look
at the news and you see people like Lamar have
that kind of event, even though it's not your patience,
you're kind of diagnosing the conditions of that circumstance, that situation.
The funny thing about mine was I didn't have high cholesterol,
I didn't have any of the normal things. And you

(16:00):
studied my chart intensely and we've talked about this before.
I like to say that this is layman's terms. I'm
gonna break this down in eighth grade English. I like
to say, what was on my heart got in my heart. Stress,
you know, pressure, you know, and you realize you pride
yourself on being strong. You pride yourself on being relentless.

(16:23):
You pride yourself on how much stress you can ingest
and keep on going. But you don't realize that the
body keeps score.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
It does.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, and sooner or later, the body is gonna what's
on your heart ends up in your heart, and now
you can't ignore it, and it's not about being strong anymore.
You talk to me a little bit about the normal
old way of handling a patient like me, coming in,
breaking through the rib cage, taking out the heart, doing

(16:53):
all of that. But because of modern technology, I don't
have I didn't have any stitches, didn't break my ribcase,
it didn't take my heart out, None of that happened.
They went in through my wrist and I literally left
the hospital with a band aid. You could have got
a Walgreens or somewhere over the entrance point of where

(17:15):
they went in the thing that was amazing to me
about you is that you stood over top of the
doctor who was doing the procedure. The technology advanced to
the point that I didn't have to go through what
my father would have had to go through. Sure, and
you stayed there and kind of oversaw everything, exercised a

(17:37):
little flex on them as chief of staff, and was
able to see that through chapter four Unhealthy America. How
much have you seen medicine advance with technology that things
that used to be one way, whether it's heart attacks, Alzheimer's,

(18:00):
how much? How much is the medical frontier being altered
and changed by the introduction of technology?

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Not to mention a great question, and I want to
I wanna highlight something that you said because people need
to hear this. When you talked about being strong and
what was going on in the inside, that resonated with
me because I have this conversation all the time, and
people go to the movies and nowadays we have these
big theaters and there's loud booms, and I like Top

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Gun because Tom Cruise is in this. You know, this
fast machine that's speeding beyond the speed of sound, and
the bullets or the missiles are flying, and people get
this sense that they know what Tom Cruise is going through.
But I explain that when I'm in the operating room
and your loved one is bleeding.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Out and I'm trying to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Watching the movie is one thing, But neural hormones, epinephrin stress.
So while you're cool on the inside, that doesn't mean
that your body isn't releasing cortisol that is not secreting
insulin that is not secreting catechola means so that stress
internal is happening, whether external, you as cool as a cucumber.

(19:10):
And so I think that's important because a lot of men,
particularly Black men, we feel like when we build up
our muscles, yes, that somehow we don't recognize that we
can be having internal stresses that are affecting our organs.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I would add to that too, that we live in
a culture, in a society where women pride themselves on
being in a strong black wove. I'm a strong Black woman.
Sometimes you can be strong to your own detriment. You know,
getting stronger on the outside doesn't mean that you're getting
better on the inside. Correct, And that's what I learned

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that no appointment, no date, nobody being an EmPATH coming
to the rescue of other people should supersede you taking
the time to take care of yourself. When you look
at the taking care of yourself, we're saying, somebody my age,
you kind of expect my age and my stress level,

(20:05):
my schedule, my traveling, all of that. It makes sense
that would happen. But we're seeing young men, young women
who are having heart attacks in their forties and in
their late thirties. What is is it what we're eating?
Is it how we're living? What is causing that increase
that incline and fatalities.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
I think you've hit on something and I'm going to
I'm a good listener. You asked me about the technology.
So the computers are making us learn everything faster. Medicine
is changing dynamically things that we used to do. Now
that we've got AI and the Internet and the computations
of computer they have explained things and ways we've never seen.

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So the frontier is going to be less and less invasive.
We're using robots now to operate, We're using computer algorithms
and AI to make diagnoses. We're using it in the
field of radiology to make predictions, to look at films
so that that answers your question that you asked. Now,
as far as the second part of it with the
young people, Yes, our food supply is contaminated. Grandma's beans

(21:15):
used to grow in the garden and my grandmother had hogs.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
They killed them hogs.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I remember my grandmother would go out, my dad's mom
would go out and grab the chicken and wring that
chicken's neck. If you had to do that now, Chick
fil A would go out of business. Nobody's gonna bring
that chicken neck. So the food has been mass produced.
And I'm going to you. You didn't ask me this,
but I will tell you.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
So.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
I have college aged kids.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
And one of the things that the young people that
here this need to know is people think that because
we now have legalized production of marijuana that it's safer. Okay,
the THC in marijuana has gone from some people estimate
from three percent to thirty percent. The feels that they
are growing now are being fertilized, so you think that.

(22:03):
You know, back when the gangsters were doing it, they
couldn't fly a crop duster over there and fertilize their field.
So I mentioned organophosphates, pesticides, all of the things that
are in the food. We have an addiction to sugar
in this country. High fructose corn syrup is in everything.
So the kids are eating these chemicals, these dyes, these sugars.

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So we have people like Chadwick Bozeman who at a
very young age the black panther dyes of stage four
colon cancer. When we can put people send them to
the moon, we misdiagnosing a preventable and curable disease in him.
So the food supply we all drink out of plastic bottles.

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There's radiation from our phones. I mean, we could go
on and on and on and in their stress, and
then we don't exercise anymore. We're sitting in these chairs,
we're in front of the computers. We don't go in
the field and work. So those things are combining to
increase the incidence of coorectal cancer, breast cancer, mental illness.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
All of it is.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Happening at a younger age in the population that did
not have the benefit of we had of having more
natural food.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
The other thing that I think is important you mentioned
Chadwick Bozeman. I think that we glorify talent and we
don't separate talent from the person and because he was
so extremely talented and extremely gifted, extremely promising that sometimes
talent can be a distraction from health care and taking

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care of yourself, and you lean into your talent, but
you don't understand that health is in New Wealth and
if you don't have a healthy body, no matter how
successful you are, you won't be able to spend it.
You're going to leave it to somebody if you don't
take care of yourself.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, I don't want to get us in trouble, so
I'm going to be very careful what I say. But
we have very high profile, prominent people in this country
that eat things like McDonald's every day, and I have
friends that own McDonald's, So I don't want to just
be disparaging because I you know, that's not my point.
My point is is that to to what you've just addressed,
being talented does not mean that you eat well or

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that you sleep well, or that you drink well. Being
talented it means that people celebrate you for your talents,
and it does not always correspond to being able to
understand what is a healthy life. How much should you
be sleeping, what should you be eating? You know, what
should you be taking in fast food. I'll just say this, Bishop.

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Anything that's in plastic that you can put in a
machine and leave for sixty days has to have been embalmed,
preserved in order for what not. You can't put an
apple in a vending machine and leave it there for
three months, you know, but you can put that thing
that they've manufactured and processed and put in there.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Our kids are eating process food.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
They're eating processed food. And another misnomer that seems to
be changing. Wealthy people or famous people or political figures
are said to get the best healthcare. And in some
cases that's true. But when you look at Lebron jameson,
all of that wealth and all of that success did
not stop him from having a health event that was

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almost catastrophic.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yes, and they're pushing these young athletes now, these kids
are now in these select teams where when we grew up,
we played baseball, we played football, you know, we played basketball.
Now these kids at a very young age are getting
diagnosed because or being directed because everybody's trying to produce
the next Venus William, the next Tiger Wood. So they

(25:51):
take their kids and they super specialize them, and they
only do one thing.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, well, you know I have grandchildren. I have noticed
about my grandson a dirt bike so he could get
out and play outside because he never goes outside to play.
And uh, and he kind of rode around in it,
and I realized I was in it with him with
my foot hanging out. That's how small it was. I
didn't even fit inside the dirt bike. But I'm trying

(26:19):
to get him involved in getting out, getting air, getting sunlight,
getting vitamin D, which we have a deficiency in in
in black people, and understanding that that that that the
sun is important. But we have raised the generation of
kids who are used to playing with our pads in
video games, in video games. So in a short time,

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he gets off the dirt bike and goes in and
gets on his video games and continues to play his
video game. So I ended up buying me one. Uh
you know, I thought, okay, if you want, I will.
But but the thing about it is, while they might
be great babysitters, sitting at that age with that energy,

(27:02):
with that with that testosterone being developed, with all of
that growth pattern, some people have said it is sitting
is more dangerous than smoking on the body. What do
you think about that.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
I think we look at my friends that are spine surgeons,
have a great future because everybody now is going to
the chiropractor. Everybody's having back surgery because we sit. That's
why a lot of the modern executives have these desks
where they stand at their desk now instead of sitting
in the chairs. And I coached basketball for my children,

(27:37):
and I found that the kids that I was coaching
didn't have the same level of coordination. They were sitting
down playing video games instead of going outside and shooting
the basketball. And you know, my kids gamed and I
had to talk to them because I would go in
the room and they'd be in there like zombies, playing
on these networks. And they'd have a bag, a bowl

(27:58):
of Skittles, a bowl of gummy worms. So they're in
there eating high fructose corn syrup and they're charged up,
and their brain is high stimulated, and and and they're
playing these games and they're they're killing that's the other thing,
you know, some of these games, you know, our kids
are killing things or people, and uh, you know, then
they didn't want to go to school and and and

(28:20):
read a book because of all that stimulation. So I
do think that you're you're you're onto something. I think
it's I'm not going to say that smoking is better,
but I mentioned the marijuana because at the colleges, I've
said this, our young people are severely addicted to marijuana.

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When you go into the college campus, there's a mushroom cloud.
And we spoke to officials at one of the college
and they said, well, they're using, and I said, well,
it's one thing, recreational, but if you have to have
it every day, that's not use, that's abuse. And we
need to we need to deal with particularly our young
African American men who were all smoked out. I don't

(29:02):
know how they're going to fit into this world. As
jobs are going away, we know what AI is doing
to the future. These kids need to be locked in
and figuring out what they're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
So this is more than individual choices. It societal changes.
The jobs that are coming out now are sit down jobs.
They're all technological, they're AI, and we need those young
people to be bright in AI. We have to be intentional.
My grandfather didn't have a gym. Okay, he didn't go
work out, he didn't get a membership at a gym club.

(29:37):
But by the time he got through working in the
fields and getting up early and milking cows and doing
all that kind of stuff, he got to work out
in He got stimulation, He got movement. When this country
manufactured more goods and products. Whether you worked for Pittsburgh
Steel or Union Carbout or Monsanto or what have you,
you had a job where you were active, You were moving,

(29:58):
you were loading trucks, dealing with the settling, dealing with oxygen,
dealing with all of that. All of those jobs have
gone away. And most of the jobs, even most of
the jobs, even regardless of your age, are sit down jobs.
Most of the snacks are full of sugar and fruit
toase and all of that. I think it even has

(30:18):
something to do with Alzheimer's. Talk to us a little
bit about that, because that is rampant in our community.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
There is a there is a growing community of people
that believe that sugar metabolism is all things evil, is
connected to Alzheimer's. It affects the brain, we know, it
affects the kidneys, It affects the pancreas, it affects the heart.
When you eat too much sugar, you make fat. When
you have big loads of insulin secret it you can't

(30:47):
lose fat for at least ten hours. This is ten
hours because insulin is what they call an anabolic steroid.
Its stores a catabolic steroid is increasing the metabolism insulin causes.
When you when your sugar is high and the body
detects it, it increase insulin and insulin tells the body

(31:08):
store fat and so once that you get a bolus
of insulin, and most of the country's insulin resistant now
because we're eating so much sugar, the insulin doesn't work
as well. That's why the glps have caught fashion because
that's what they're doing. They make insulin more effective.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Glps.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yes, explain what that ozempic? Okay, yeah, yeah, okay those drugs?

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, what about ozmpic? Okay? I know
it was originally created to help diabetic people, and now
people are using it to lose weight to help themselves.
What's the real story on ozempic and medications like that?
What do we gain? What do we risk? Being obese
is a problem. So you do want to lose weight,

(31:55):
but at what expense?

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Well, I think that it's going to take some time.
Time for us to fully understand all of the risks
that were associated with these drugs that were being developed.
We know that they function hormonally. Obesity is a disease.
It is a disease physiologically, and it is a disease psychologically.

(32:18):
As you know, there are people that are they have
BMIs of sixty and seventy and eighty and they can't
stop eating.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
So I think if you ask.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Me what I prefer to take a pill or a
shot inject myself versus having half my stomach cut off
or having my testines rerouted, I would tell you that
I think the pharmaceutical approach is less harmful. I do
think that it's going to take some time before we
understand how these drugs interact. Anytime you take a drug,

(32:51):
there is going to be a positive effect and there
are going to be some side effects, and you know,
we try to balance to make sure.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
That's what keep therapy is. Chemotherapy is an attempt.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
To kill the cells that are bad without killing all
the cells that are good. So I think that the
verdict is not out. They are developing now. Ozipic was
the first generation. We got Manjaro, which was a second generation,
and now farmers coming up with a third generation, and
so man loves the tinker and we'll have to wait

(33:24):
and see where this falls out.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
And we all want to be then, you know, everybody
wants to be. Then it's it, but not exercise. Yeah,
but not exercise. Right.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
We want to be strong and not go to the gym.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Right, exactly, exactly exactly, That's that's the problem, and so
that's an opportunity for us to really rethink how we
handle it. It's less invasive than the surgery you talked
about cutting your stomach out and that sort of thing,
but it might have side effects. And side effects are
not limited to the infusion of diverse types of medications.

(33:58):
It also includes supplements. So some of us are mixing
supplements with prescribed medications, not realizing that it's all going
into the same body and releasing different things and it
has different effects. And we're not talking to doctors. I
am forever texting doctor Jail with pictures of some supplement

(34:20):
I've discovered or something I saw and seeing if it's
going to be harmful or disagree with other things that
I'm doing and taking. And I think having that expert
advice and leaning on it is very important.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't think most of the supplements that are out
there have even been FDA approved. And I don't know
what factory. You go into the store and you buy
something in a health store, where was it produced, Was
it produced in this country, out of this country? What
was the methods to make sure that it was biologically appropriate,
that it was a sanitary place that it produced. Anybody

(34:53):
can get in and say, you know, if you take
and this is the danger of social media.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
You know this.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Once you start thumbing and they get an algorithm them
on you, all of a sudden you start having these
the guys saying you don't have to have that back pain,
you know, take this medicine. And it's no one is
regulating that industry now, right.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
And the danger with that. My first doctor when I
came to Dallas said to me, anytime you have to
advertise the medication real hard. It probably doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
I was golfing with a gentleman and he was queerying
me during the course and he was saying, well, what
about this, and what about that? And what about And
I kept telling him, well, you know, tuna's made in
the can, is not you know, tuna's got mercury in
and he was like, I thought that was healthy. And
he says, why I go in and I take these
protein bars and I said, well, you know that the
protein doesn't really you know, help you like you think

(35:45):
it does. The body doesn't really take it in. And
by the time we got to about the fourth hole,
he said, he says, what can I eat right?

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Right? It is? It's frustrating. It's frustrating. And the other
thing that I'm seeing a lot of is prostate cancer,
colon cancer. A lot of times we can eat the
right things, but if our intestines are not able to
extract the nutrients out of it, that can be harmful too.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Look at all the men that died of prostate cancer recently.
Look at a very famous football player that we both
have run into that just recently had his entire bladder removed.
Is you already pointed out, Younger, more severe, more aggressive.
It's got to be the food. That's what's changed. We
haven't changed, you know, hundreds of years, you know, we

(36:35):
haven't changed. It's the environment, it's the level of stress,
and it's the food that we're eating.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
So it's been said that watching short farm videos affects
the brain diminishes to the brain more than drinking alcohol.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
So I have not read scientific studies that I could
use to validate that, but this is what I will say.
I think we know that things that you to get
excited and capture your attention, particularly in young kids. When
we talk about ADHD, we see that a lot of
our young black kids are diagnosed with that. We know

(37:11):
that these kids that are playing videos can't hold attention span.
We know that if you don't learn to read at
a very young age, it's very hard to learn to
be a discipline reader later on in life. And the
thing that I think is fascinating about this is the culture.
The media culture is driving towards shorter clips. I was

(37:32):
just recently on vacation and I could tell you the
person because I know you know who they are. But
they were telling me about their business and that they
had to come off of their their blogging because they
were using YouTube formats and YouTube was trying to compete
with TikTok and they wanted shorter formats and shorter clips.
I think they're more addictive, Yes, I think they're more

(37:54):
And you know this if you go to bed and
you open up a novel, or you open up the Bible.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
You might follow aslo even twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
But if you get on Instagram or TikTok man you
look up, it's three or four o'clock in the morning. Right,
I'll tell you I think Netflix and all that. You know,
once you get on a show, you know, and you
can't cut it off right right, you will sit up
there and spend six hours trying to get to the end.
We used to have to wait until the next week
to see what Batman and Robin did. Yeah, yeah, Now

(38:24):
we don't have to do and we just keep watching
over and over again.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I think you should stop talking about me like that.
This is my show, talk about me what I found
myself up at three o'clock in the morning, just going
from one to the other and in a sequel of stories.
But I should have been sleep.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
They hanged the cliffhanger. My wife would go one more,
let's watch one more, and this one would end in
the cliffhanger, and you got to go to the next
right right.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Chapter five, Trusting doctors. You know there has been a
love hate relations between our culture and doctors and medicine,
some cynicism and not just now, not just our culture,
but a lot of cultures where people are allowing people

(39:13):
to make medical decisions who do not have medical backgrounds.
I think from the African American perspective, or black or
however you want to phrase, whatever the common term is
in your community. For that, our history with doctors has
not always been good, and so from generation to generation

(39:34):
there's a skepticism passed down the Tuskegee its experiments and
all of that kind of stuff. How do we begin
to rebuild trust Because you can prescribe all day long,
and you can talk all day long. But if I
don't trust you, and I'm getting on social media all
of these other theories. There's all these different theories that

(39:56):
contradict each other being fed to us perpetually, on and
on and on. How in all the noise of what
is right and wrong do we distreniate and understand what
can be trusted? Well?

Speaker 1 (40:11):
I think you mentioned the Tuskegee experiments. My wife's grandfather
was a part of those gentlemen that were experimented on.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
We have Henry Henrietta Lackey, the heel of cell.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
I think Oprah produced a story about her, the woman
that at John Hopkins where they produced the immortal cell line.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
She had cervical cancer. They never told her what she had.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
We know that they experimented on young African American men
and women at the turn of the last century to
learn and so that created a huge distrust in the
African and American community. I argue with my patients a
lot because they come in and they tell me doctor
Google said this, Doctor Google said that, and I remind

(40:55):
them that, you know, that's different than a double blinded
retelserspective review journal where a bunch of experts have gotten
together and debated, you know, the safety and the efficacy
of a drug.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
So I think that it.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Is up to us. We need to educate more people
like us that connect to us. You know, it could
be two o'clock in the morning. You know you got
a surgeon you can call. You know you have a
primary care physician you can call. And I think again,
it goes back to empathy and connection. I think we

(41:32):
have to have those connections. I think we need them
now more than ever.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Right, let's not assume that this generation understands the Tuske experiment.
Let's take a minute and backtrack and break down exactly
what happened in all about.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
So there were a group of gentlemen that were diagnosed
with syphilis that were studied to see the effects of
SFE instead of treated, And it was intentional. And I
do research, and part of my certification for research is

(42:10):
I have to go back and look at the Tuskegee experiments.
What happened in Nuremberg when they found out what Hitler
was doing. Hitler was experimenting on twins, he was operating
on people. They put Russian soldiers in the cold to
see how hypothermia affected the body.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
And so now we have all these laws.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
And rules to try to protect people for that, but
basically black people were experimented on and not provided the
healthcare in order to treat other people, other Americans, White Americans.
With the information that was garnered from those experiments.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
I think, you know, we're eradicating our history and altering
our history to only show the best parts of us.
But you actually learn more through your mistakes than you
do through your success. And just for the benefit so
that history doesn't repeat itself, we need to have some
knowledge about that. And it's not just in America, it's

(43:08):
also in Africa. They were experimented on all sorts of
things we're doing through colonization. A lot of people have
been used, as you talked about Hitler and all of
the experiments that were done on various groups of people.
Why isn't it true that we are not more united

(43:31):
in speaking out and speaking up since this is a
common problem amongst poor people. Let's be honest, rich people
are not experimented on like that. Why are we not
more united in connecting with one another and pushing back
and saying no, Because right now it's not even a

(43:53):
fight between humanity and science. We are letting people make
decisions about our bodies who have no medical background at all.
It's become more political than it has been medicine. Why
are we not speaking up and speaking out about it? Well?

Speaker 1 (44:10):
One of the things I was reflecting on this coming
in isolation is a terrible thing to be isolated, to
be ostracized, to experience loneliness. You know, even the Divine
God had there is father, son, and Holy Spirit.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
They were in community.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
The only thing that shook Jesus was when he knew
that he was about to be separated from the father
that broke him in the garden. Everything else he could
handle death. He knocked it out. Disease, he knocked it out.
But in those hours where he knew that he was
going to be separated from the father, he took three
men with him and he said, could you not watch
for one hour?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
And then when he hung on.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
That cross, he said, Eli Lamack's Subacthini, why have you
forsaken me? I think the isolation that we experience in
our community has been extremely detrimental. We don't know who
to talk to, we don't know who to trust. And
I think when you look at what's going on in
social media, all of these hoaxes, all of these death hoaxes.

(45:13):
So and so died today, know they didn't So and
so just did this know they didn't?

Speaker 3 (45:20):
I think.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
And then now AI can put a picture of you,
make you talk. You will say and use your voice
and say I just went into the church and shot
five people, and it would go all over the internet
and people would be trying to fact check it.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah, I've been dead five times, by the way I
have read it in the paper. I'm dead. This misinformation disinformation.
It is becoming harder and harder to separate the Hamburger
from the state. How do we I think what you're saying,
what I hear you saying, is the same thing that

(45:55):
we advise people about building relationships with their bankers, building
relationship with your doctors. Right, I think that not just
coming in a crisis situation. You have a crisis and
trauma in their emergency rooms and all that sort of thing.
But we need to wait. We don't need to wait
till the house burdens down the callifire department.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
We have to have those relationships. We were built for community.
It's not good that man should be alone. To me,
there's nothing more devastating in isolation. When I meet people
that are suffering, particularly the ravages of mental dysfunctions and
thought disorders, they isolate themselves. When people get ready to
commit suicide, they isolate themselves. Their parents said, we didn't

(46:38):
know what was going on. Little Johnny was up in
the room. We thought he was all right. We went
up there and little Johnny had taken pills or little
Johnny had shot himself. I do think that we have
to build from the family. And you and I could
have another podcast just talking about the disintegration of the
black family, the incarceration of black men, you know, the

(47:01):
emasculation of black men. You know, we hear a lot
of talk about about our sisters and and you know,
my wife always reminds me of a quote that says
that black women were the mules of the earth.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
She quotes a famous author.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
But I do think that these things are telling a
story of a community that has been fragmented. It's been fragmented.
It goes all the way back to slavery. And we
you know, while we you know, like you said, we
don't want to people don't want to hear that history.
Now we know that history repeats itself. And we say

(47:37):
in surgery that there's good judgment and bad judgment, and
good judgment often came from bad judgment. A lot of
what we're doing in medicine now is because we learn
from our mistakes.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
So if we disregard our mistakes, we taint the possibility
of our success.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
And we destined ourselves to repeat them.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah, that's a very frightening thing. So what do you
think about the post, the brownie post, and give me
your insight on that situation.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
We know that you can hide behind an alias name
and say all kinds of things about people, and no
one even knows who you are, so everybody becomes an expert.
On the internet and in social media, there is a
lot of information and misinformation about the vaccine going around.
What I will say is, and I said this to

(48:28):
some of the guys I went to college. I remember
when you used to go down to that store in
the hood with the little house and knock on the
door and buy you a dime bag. And you didn't
know what who produced it, what was in it, and
you and now all of a sudden, you don't want
to take a vaccine that has gone through a high
degree of scientific scrutiny. You don't know what's in a

(48:50):
bag of chocolate chip cookies. You don't know what's in
the bag of potato chips. Re open that look at
the bag of potato chips and see when they start
talking about potassium situated this chemical on that chemical. So
I think that there's a lot of superstition that's not
based in reality. I know a lot of people that
took the COVID vaccine and they are fine. I know

(49:12):
that my brother in law works at the CDC in Atlanta,
and we recently had a man shoot up the CDC
because he's blaming the vaccine for problems he has. I
think this is one of the greatest problems facing this
generation is how do we decipher what is true? How
do we decide what is real? How do we distinguish

(49:33):
AI from reality.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yes, it's amazing because as it has become more perfected,
it becomes more and more difficult, especially for a non
professional to be able to detect it. I know you
can't diagnose the patient you haven't seen, but allegedly the
symptoms with our current president, President Trump, where his ankles

(49:56):
are swelling and he's stumbling from time to time, just
from an observer's point of view, what type of simp?
What do the symptoms make you concern? Well, if he
came in to you to treat him, what would you
check first?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I would do a broad metabolic panel, I would I
would do a very thorough interrogation of electrolytes, hormones levels
in him. We know it's very public that he has
a horrible diet. We know that he technically is obese.

(50:38):
I saw just the other day a picture of him
in the oval office where he twitched his shoulder, and
people are speculating on what's going on.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
He doesn't look healthy. He doesn't look healthy.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
What about the mark Son is saying.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
They attributed that to I believe he was on bloodthinders,
and I believe that maybe he had some what we
call echomosis from it. I think the swelling and his
legs may have been correlated with it. It happens as
you get older, as you know, things start not working well.
So yeah, I can't speculate on one of the And
this is the thing is a great question because this

(51:15):
person that we're talking about has been the chief trumpeter
of a term called fake news and has created obscurity
and confusion and a lack of clarity to where people
don't know what they're watching on the news is true.
You turn on one channel and you hear one thing.
You turn on another channel and it's like that was

(51:36):
a different event and they're talking about the same event.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, that's why I was reluctant to bring it up,
because even as you scroll and you read about all
these things, you don't know how much is true and
how much is fiction. But these are reports that have
been validated or passed through through the media, not just
social media. And I was wondering for other people who
are experience and seeing similar maladies and swelling other angles

(52:04):
is extremely swollen, the discoloration on the hand, and so
forth and so on. What would be the first place
you would check and what should they be asking or
telling their doctors about their condition.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
They need to look at their medications and to see
and you know this medications, when you take a lot
of them, they interact with each other. Yes, and every
medication has a good side and a side effect.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
So, but I would remind people that President Trump took
the vaccine, President Obama took the vaccine. President Biden took
the vaccine. There are a whole lot of people that
have taken the vaccine that so, you know this whole
fear that something horrible has happened. I took the vaccine.
I know you took the vaccine. We operated with the

(52:51):
information that we had at the time. We made the
best decision under those circumstances that we could. People were
dying everywhere.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah, and the dying death rate has gone way down.
Sure it is, even though there are exceptions to every medication. Sure,
sometimes when they get through describing what the medication cure,
then then they start talking about the side effects. I'm
not sure whether the side effects aren't worse than the
thing you're trying to cure. And then when you mix

(53:19):
in with other medications that are in your body, those
medications start fighting against each other. But I thought, this
is a primary figure in our country who is going
through a melody right in front of our face. And
I just wondered, as a physician and as a professional,
where you would start the search. So thank you for

(53:40):
sharing that with us. Chapter six, Prevent health issues. When
you think about solutions, We've talked about the problems. We've
talked about the maladies, we've talked about the health impairments.
Let's talk about the solutions. What are some of the
things that we can do, little small things that have

(54:02):
large impacts on our health, before we have heart attapes,
before we have dementia, before we have those sorts of things.
What are some things that we can put into practice,
like sleep, habits, eating the right things that we can
begin to do to be intentional about preserving this body.
You only get one.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Right, Yeah, I think number one. I tell everybody read
what you eat. Look just look at what you're eating.
You know, they make them write it on the box,
So look at what you're eating. People use the internet
for everything. Just you can there's a lot of information
out there on the internet about what you're eating. I
think children have to be brought up in an environment

(54:43):
where they're presented healthy food. It's criminal what we've been
giving the kids in the schools, you know, high carb
diets with sugar and processed food. So I think it
starts one of the things that we implemented in our family,
and I'm so grateful, and I give my wife credit
for it. We may the kids sit down and eat
with us. We're so busy, you know this, You know

(55:06):
important people that are doing We were so busy, we
missed that time. We have to sit down and eat
a healthy meal and not always go out to the
fast food restaurant and pick it up where everybody then
goes to their room and gets on their phone and eats.
So I think the nuclear family is where it starts.
I think we have to sit down and eat together.

(55:26):
I think we have to teach our kids healthy choices.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Somebody said to me that if we don't start eating
our food as our medicine, our medicine will become our food.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I recently was asked by a good friend of mine
to go and speak to a men's group at church,
and I was to talk about health, and they wanted
to talk. They wanted me to talk about heart disease,
even though I'm a trauma surgeon. And I got in
there and when I walked in the door, they had
fried chicken cookies. I stood up and I said, were

(56:03):
probably gonna have a little moment here, and they all
lie and the guy that organized, he said, we only
do it once a year, you know, I said, okay,
But yeah, I do think that we've got to be
more astute about eating the right kind of things. Getting sleep.
Nobody sleeps anymore, bishop right. People go and they take

(56:24):
pills to go to sleep, they go to therapists to
learn how to sleep. They're doing everything because we no
longer sleep anymore.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
What can we do about that?

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Well, you know, I think all this electronic stimulation is
part of the reason our lives are so busy. We
can't You should be one to be able to talk.
How do you cut your brain off? How do you withdraw?
I use my phone when I'm on call and I
go to work mode so that I don't get these pings.
And these beings because nowadays, through that electronic thing that

(56:56):
we hold in our hand, everybody has access to us
twenty four hours. You used to could go up and
go for a walk and nobody could get to you. Right,
You could just go talk to God and spend a
few times in prayer and go back to Now everywhere
we go, we're getting pinged and binged and people are
coming at us.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah, you know, and our attention and span is decreasing.
And you know, we went from the big screen movies
to shorter stories told on television, to Facebook, which gave
you a space for longer content, to Instagram, which is
shorter content, to TikTok, which is even shorter content. So

(57:34):
our attention span is because it's literally withering our brain.
And I will admit, I'll be honest. I slept for
a long time with my phone by my bed, and
the first thing I did as soon as I opened
my eyes was reaching for my phone to see what
was going on. And I have started being more intentional
about getting up and stretching and moving and going out

(57:56):
and getting some sunlight and doing some other things and
getting new regiments and breaking those habits is like breaking
an addiction.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Sure it is.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
It's really an addiction. And so far as the screen
is concerned, the body doesn't know to go to sleep
when you're watching screens right up to bedtime, and in
the bed while you're into bed. And I've been guilty
of that too. But those are some of the small
changes that we can do to make things better. And

(58:24):
finding doctors like yourself who care. One of the things
that I said to our producer, one of the things
that really touched my heart is how you stayed way
beyond your shift twenty four hours and did not leave
until I was out of danger. That kind of thing,
it's boring out of compassion, empathy and relationship. And there

(58:47):
are people out there in the hospitals who really do care.
They're not just there for the paycheck. There are people
out there who really do care. But our relationship started
before the crisis, and building those relationships makes me not
a number, not an insurance claim. Brings back the dignity
of being a person. I've seen some people that put

(59:10):
pictures of their loved ones who were in I See
you on the counter just so that the technicians could
remember this human beings. Yeah, this is a human being.
This is a person who had a life, because sometimes
when you do that all day, you become hardened to
the fact that they are real people. But you, my friend,

(59:32):
are real people.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Well, I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
I knew that I was involved in taking care of
somebody that meant a lot to a lot of people,
and so it was personal for me. And when I
go into the emergency room, it's personal for me. And
I do think that one of the things that led
me to do trauma surgery was if you look around
the country, trauma is taught at major hubs, urban settings,

(59:58):
mostly on black and brown people. And the people that
learn to do the art of surgery then go out
into fancier communities where they make, you know, a good living.
But you know, I was, along with a lot of
the colleagues that served. We were dedicated to the cause
of serving the underserved and being there. And I will
say this one of the things that is very important.

(01:00:19):
And I had a young man say this to me
the other day. When you get shot and somebody opens
up your chests and we saw the vessels, what happened
to the mind of a twelve year old or fourteen
year old to get shot? We throw that little kid
back into school thinking that he's normal. Those people need
to talk to somebody. I don't care how tough he is.

(01:00:40):
I don't care whether his brother was a gang banger.
When you're fourteen years old and somebody opens up your
chest and puts you back together, that doesn't mean that
you're mentally well or that you're ready to reassimilate. We
cannot forget that. It is the whole person that needs
to be You know, you talked about it. The fact
that we had a connection, the fact that you knew

(01:01:02):
that I was there, the fact that I was there
beyond the initial procedure.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
That means something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yes, it meant a whole lot. It meant a whole lot.
Chapter number seven, Generational Trauma. I wanted to spend a
moment talking about generational trauma. You know, David fought a
giant that wasn't his battle to fight, and a lot
of times, passing down through history, there's been a lot

(01:01:28):
of materials written both for Jews and Blacks and other
ethnicities and groups of people, and even people who grew
up in toxic environments that they grow up in a
constant atmosphere of trauma to the point that their DNA
is rearranged, and so all of a sudden, you're acting

(01:01:48):
out of a trauma that you didn't personally experience. For example,
maybe you didn't go through the Holocaust, but your grandmother
did and it has affected your trauma, and you're having
a traumatic response to something that you didn't experience. Maybe
you didn't go through slavery, maybe your third generation from slavery.
My great grandmother was a slave. But that trauma passes

(01:02:10):
down generationally and often distorts how we process, how we
deal with, how we react to different things like that.
Have you done much research into that and is there
anything we can do to break that traumatic curse that
that is not a result of something we experienced, but

(01:02:31):
maybe our mothers or grandmother's experienced along way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Well, I haven't done scientific research, but I've lived and
I say that you know this, particularly African Americans in
the South, there was a time when we couldn't talk right,
We couldn't express what was going on. We had we
put stuff in closets and we closed the door. And
we thought that, you know, when we put that little

(01:02:55):
monster in the closet, that we killed that monster, but
that monster was still there. And I think our I
think our our unwillingness and our inability to talk about
it has had a tremendous effect. It's like we were
talking about stress. I think what you're talking about is
in in in almost in a spiritual and a psychological way,
is a metaphor for stress.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
You know, our inability.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
To to to tell people what happened to us and
to share our stories. And now more than ever, people
are trying to suppress the narrative, and so we're not allowed.
I don't think you lived, you let it dominate you.
But you have to understand why you have a hot temper.
You know, you have to understand well why you you

(01:03:38):
you suppress things and you can't talk. My greatest fear,
you know, with with young particularly young women, is is
we see them in the emergency room. They've been abused,
they've been physically beat and they don't want to tell
on the abuser, right they that they are, That's how
they're processing and they cannot heal that way. And I

(01:04:02):
do think that you're speaking to something that we are
seeing the manifestations of years of trauma and brutality. And
I'll just say this, it bothers me that we see
these stories published where these young people are being stopped
by police officers and they're filming and they're having these

(01:04:22):
negative interactions, and we're seeing this and the kids are
watching it over and over again. I told my boys,
I said, if you get stopped, I need to do
everything you can to make sure you live. I said,
I can bail you out of jail, I can sue
the police department, but I can't raise you from the dead.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Absolutely. I finished with this story. I went to visit
coach McCartney who started Promise Keepers, and Promise Keepers was
an amazing movement at that time to see stadiums filled
up with white men talking about things that they don't
no longer talk about today. Is if he tried to

(01:04:59):
do that now, he'd probably get arrested in it, get
picked up by ice or somebody, rather than to talk
about the things that he did. But I went out
there to talk to him one on one, to see
what was different about you that made you have that
level of empathy. And he said he went to the
funeral because one of his players had lost a loved one,

(01:05:23):
and he sat in the back of the church predominantly
black church, and he had never seen the amount of
emotion emote from the crowd, the weeping, the crime, the
screaming out and all of that. And he said he
suddenly realized it was an epiphany. He had a moment
where he realized they weren't just crying over the death

(01:05:46):
of the loved one. It was generations of pain. And
I applotted his insight and understanding that. But I think
we need to understand a little bit better that sometimes
when people act out, whether they're black, white, or brown,
that sometimes they are expressing trauma that they've not been
able to express any other way. And Martin Luther King

(01:06:09):
said that rioting is the language of the people that
are unheard. It is important to realize, regardless of your background,
suppressed anxiety doesn't go away. It either comes out in
your health, it passes to your children, it acts out
in your marriage. But maybe you were mad at your mother,
but you took it out on your wife. You know,

(01:06:32):
one way or the other, it's going to express itself
and finding healthy ways to express things and say what
needs to be said, even if it isn't we're well received,
Even if it doesn't make you popular, finding some way
to vent will stop you from running into what I
ran into. And that's why we're doing the show. Chapter

(01:06:53):
number eight, Craziest surgery. You live in stress. You live
in an atmosphere where there's sirens going off every few minutes,
people are coming in, there's blood everywhere. People aren't in trauma.
You're trauma specialist. What's the craziest if you can figure

(01:07:15):
one above the other surgery or incident that you encountered
in any emergency room.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
We often people when they have traumatic chest trauma. Sometimes
in the emergency room we have to open up the
ribs and actually pull the heart out, massage the heart.
We call it an edieth or ecotomy. I've probably done
forty in my life over my career, and I have

(01:07:43):
been surprised. Just recently had a guy that was shot
multiple times and stabbed and had a build up of
blood around his heart that we call pair cardio Tampa nod.
It stops the heart from contracting. I took him up
to the operating room, immediately opened up his sternham, opened
up his pair of card and released the blood and

(01:08:04):
we were able to save what you know, you know,
there was a time when.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
That would have been a fatal injury.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
But yeah, I've seen people shot with crossbows where the
bull went through the chest and barely missed one of
the major vessels, and we were able to get in
and open up the chest and remove the arrow without
unleashing a torrent of blood.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
You know, when you brought that up, it made me
think of the shooting that happened at one of your
hospitals where a shooter got loose. Would you tell that story? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
I My hospital always gets nervous when we tell it
because of the Litigenous society we live in, but I
can share what was public information is we had a
gentleman who was visiting a patient in the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Hospital and it was his baby mama.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
They got into an altercation and when when people went
to her rescue, he was armed. He had an ankle
bracelet on. There's a new law that Governor Admittt signed
into effect based on that incident, and he ended up
killing two employees. This active shooter thing we just had

(01:09:15):
in Minnesota just the other day, a young person in
their twenties go in there and kill two children and wounded.
I think there was a total of fourteen injured. And
it reminds me of what happened in Sandy Hook, which
was one of the most devastating events that ever that
we've ever experienced in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
How does that effect though you're a professional, when you
walk in there and you know that you're putting your
life on the line, not just saving lives, but you're
putting your life on the line every time you put
on scrubs, How does that affect you? And how do
you spell really well?

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
You know, it's a great question.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
I thought like you were saying that I was okay,
because I'm fairly stoic, you know, I think you called
me a vulcan at one point in time. I'm very stoic,
but I think internally I found out I was grinding
my teeth at night, right, and I still have my

(01:10:18):
wisdom teeth. I've cracked several of them, and so I
realized that my stress was being manifested at night by
the grinding of my teeth. And now the dentists had
to make me a bite block. So when I sleep,
I put in a guard for my teeth because I'm
cracking my teeth. But reading and playing my saxophone and

(01:10:41):
reading or things that I do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
I veg out. Music is a great way music is powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Yeah, it's a great way of dealing with stress.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Thank you very much, Thank you. I was a pleasure
and a privilege listen.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
I am so excited that you took the time to
spend with my friend and physician and maybe pick up
some information that would help you to realize the significance
of the times that we're living in. That you would
allow yourself to have this moment with us is very
very important. I'm PDJS and it has been my honor

(01:11:16):
to share our podcast with you. I hope you walk
away with it just a little bit more information, empathy, preparation,
and strategy than what you had before you listen to
this podcast make every moment come Hey everybody, I want
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(01:11:41):
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