Pod Meets Twirl'd: In The City 101

Will and Rider have cha cha’d across the ballroom, maneuvered through the castle, and survived the island, but now they face their biggest challenge yet: the Bravoverse.

Our expert hosts are heading downtown to recap the inaugural season of the highly anticipated Summer House spinoff, “In the City.” Neither Will nor Rider have ever watched a Bravo show, or even followed an unscripted soap opera in general, so it goes without saying this is their first exposure to "Scamanda.”

So join us for the debut episode and find how Rider references French philosophers AND learns the definition of “F boy” in the SAME episode. It's time for the unthinkable - it’s Pod Meets Twirl'd: Metropolitan Mess!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to pod meets Tworld, a podcast that somehow began
with Dancing with the Stars, continued through castles, traders, and
strategic deception, And because our producers, along with many of
our listeners, apparently enjoy watching two confused middle aged men
struggle through wildly successful reality television, we have now arrived
at a place neither of us fully understands Bravo, specifically

(00:34):
in the city now. In the past, our shows have
involved a game, a competition, a cash prize, a goal,
But apparently this show is different. There are no challenges,
no murder, mystery, no judges, no dance scores, just wealthy
adults attending parties, drinking, dating, and keeping tabs on one another,
an money who wins the money at the end. No

(00:55):
one gets any money. We have all of the money world.
We are right or Strong, A man who generally prefer
stories with structured themes at an ending, and Wilfred Ell,
who was told there would be at least some humor
among the cocktails and betrayals, join us as we enter
a world of social warfare, passive aggression, luxury apartments, and
confessionals delivered with a gravity of international diplomacy. This is

(01:16):
pod meets twirled Metropolitan mess. Are you ready for this? Will?
I think? So? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I don't know, is the answer. It's a world I'm
completely and totally unfamiliar with, so.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I don't you're unfamiliar with it. And yet I will
say many a time when we have mentioned Housewives, which
has come up, included when Chad Cultchen came on our show,
and you seem to know a lot, a lot more
than you let on. I believe your wife watches the
Housewives franchises. Neither here nor there?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Right, Oh okay, yes, no, Susan, not all of them.
Apparently there are people have This is the thing about
these microworlds. People have very specific ones. Oh I don't
watch New York, but I watch Beverly Hills, but I
don't watch Orange County. So they have different casts. And
I think they're also rotating casts. So it's like some
members will be on this. It's a modern day soap opera,

(02:07):
which is what I.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Believe this one very clearly is coming in on. This
is a new show, but apparently we are already ten
years behind, because this is technically it's nothing new that
you and I are ten years behind something. Oh my god,
I'm nothing years behind the state of music. Are you kidding?
I'm still listening to nineteen ninety five, going this is
a new channel. Who is this Len character? Goshe is

(02:33):
one of us? This is marvelous somebody named Jule who's
just racing up the charts. That's pretty much where I am, right.
So this is apparently technically it's a sequel show to
a show called Summer House. Correct, and the Summer House
was about a group of friends. I'm assuming it's the
same group of friends, or maybe this is a mutation

(02:54):
of that group of friends. I think it is highbrid
ten years. They were meeting at a house in the Hamptons.
Seems like a very nice life, and they seem very
unhappy with one another at the time. I think that's
part of their job. I think that's part of the
job of these shows is to drama.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I was gonna say the shows that we've been watching,
as far as we can tell, while while drama is attached,
there is an overall goal to the show, winning Traders,
winning Survivor. There's some winning dancing with the stars. But
if there's drama there, it makes for good television. I
think the drama is the television for this one.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
How much else happens, right, I mean in reality, Like,
let's put it this way, the stakes are low for
these people in their lives. Like, I don't think anybody
is really no one's I mean, I guess we do
witness somewhat of a divorce by the end of which
is horrid. I mean, it's like that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
That's the other problem I'm having, is I with modern
day television the way it is. I'm trying to remind
myself that while yes, it is quote unquote reality television.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
There's really no such thing except me.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Even even when people say Big Brother Love Island, where
they just throw cameras on stuff, they're still putting these
people in the situations We've heard from other reality people
that know will redoce scenes or will do that. So, yeah,
trying to remind myself that while it seems like I'm
critiquing or being critical of a man and woman going
through the most horrible thing in their lives, They've a
signed up for this and b it's probably the most

(04:21):
heightened version of it possible.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Right, Well, they they're they're in on it, right, just perfect. Yeah,
because they are they they You know, at this point,
you can't be a participate in reality television without uh
with with without knowing kind of what you're in for,
understanding it, and like, you know, I noticed that everybody
gets introduced as like an influencer. Yeah, so it seems

(04:44):
like a lot of them are sort of this is
how they make their money or continue to make their money.
So yeah, I don't think there's any pretense that they are.
You know, there's no gotcha moment where they're like, oops,
I didn't know that it's not a hidden camera show, right, No. No.
In fact, you know, these these things are really produced.
They have to clear clearance of the location, right, the
actors have the actors, the people have to show up

(05:05):
knowing basically what they're set up for, like, oh, we're
all going to the bar to talk or it's our
wedding anniversary dinner. Yeah, so they walk into these situations,
you know, the start of this show, like this type
of show has to be the real world on our TV. Yeah.
That was the one where like and I watched it,
I did, but I thought it was going to be

(05:27):
It was the punk rock of TV at the time.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
It was the subset of TV. It was look at
this kind of it was on an upstart network. Even
though MTV was slick and a Viacom network at the time,
it was still like the punk rock Show because check
out these young kids. They were smoking weed in the
apartment and Eric nice and all that stuff, and it
was like it was the the f you generation of
TV's Now it's the norm.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, well that makes perfect sense to me because I
think that we, you know, as humans, we love feeling
like a fly on the wall. We love to be
there it always, you know that. I mean, even though
we just finished saying if this is not very real
in the sense that they know there's cameras, they've set
it up, they've set up these situations, they've all agreed.
They kind of come in with an agenda. I think

(06:12):
most of these people come in with an agenda, whether
that's in like Amanda and Kyle's case, an agenda to
break up with your husband of four years, or maybe
to just help you know, publicize your DJ career, whatever
it is, you come into this something like this with
an agenda. I don't think there originally was that way.
I think the real world days, they just didn't know
what it was. It was just let's let these cameras
film us. But the audiences, like we respond to that,

(06:35):
like we all we all respond super positively to what
feels real and and to you know, seeing people in
their normal habitat right.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Is also the sense of judging other people, though, is
the sense of I feel better because I'm like that.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
But I would argue that that is natural human instinct.
It is that we all have that. Absolutely think gossip
is like so essential to like us as as species.
It's what makes us humans because we form tribes, we
bond with families. We say this person is no longer
part of my friend group because they suck, and that
was a way that we survived. So the fact that

(07:11):
we're social animals and that we need to like that,
this is exciting to us to be around people throwing
drinks at each other's faces or saying so and so
sucks because that's like totally natural. I think to argue
that we're just coming off of Survivor where it's that's
exactly what the show was. But instead of throwing drinks
at each other, you got to beat each other in
a challenge. Yes, so they gave you like a physical

(07:34):
way to actually beat the other person, as opposed to
kind of an older, you know, an older reality show,
because they sort of they felt that they needed to
manufacture external external conflicts. Right, external stakes, you're going to
win this much money, You're gonna physically exhaust yourself, you're
gonna starve whatever. Those are external stakes. When I teach writing,

(07:54):
you know, I talk about the different spheres of conflict, right,
you have like external, uh, inner, personal, and then internal,
and I talk about how like the best screenwriting manages
to operate in all three r and then sometimes you
have them in conflict with each other, you know. In
other word, it's like you have a character who goes
on a journey that accomplishes something externally but ruins them internally,

(08:16):
or advice the Godfather him shooting them exactly exactly, so
you can chart the sort of like rise and fall
of character. I feel like this show operates, and these
kinds of shows operate entirely on the interpersonal. Sure, right,
there's no external stakes. They're not going to lose their lives.
They're not going to I mean, even if people lose
their partment where they're throwing out that she owes how
much money, like one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars. It's

(08:38):
it's actually not that big of a deal to them.
It doesn't seem like I mean, it's it's it's a
just idea. I paid it, right, it's a big deal interpersonally,
like most of us, I feel like that's like such
a huge deal. But for these characters, and I think
that's kind of that's the point of these shows is
to remove external stakes, to even kind of remove internal stakes.
We don't we don't need to know that these people

(08:59):
are really good or bad people, or that their souls like,
that's not the point. The point is to watch them interpersonally, relate, interpersonally,
have conflict, and enjoy the ride hopefully.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Down, hopefully well. I think that one of the things
that's so interesting is apparently the kind of the reason,
or one of the main reasons this show even exists
is because of this scandal that's been all over the place.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, let's let's get let's get the back round. Because
I know we were not it's actually not a part
of this first episode, but we have been informed by
everybody around us that in order to watch this show,
we have to understand the scandal that is informing it,
which is going back to the Summer House show. There
were two couples. Sierra and West were a couple, and

(09:41):
Amanda and Kyle, who we are meeting the opening of
this show. We're a couple. And apparently it's already broken
in the news that Sierra and West have hooked up
after Amanda and Kyle.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
No, Amanda and Kyle, Amanda and when Kyle's.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Going to be We're gonna get there. We're gonna get there.
We're going to get there. I need a diagram. We will,
We're going to get there. Yes, you're right, thank you.
So Amanda and Kyle ware a couple. Sierra and West
wear a couple, and then West and Amanda, who had
both broken up with their partners, hooked up, right, so

(10:20):
everybody was already and they were friends but friends. Yeah.
The big problem is that it seems like the world
has turned on Amanda and West for betraying their friendships
and going for their friends. X. I got opinions about that.
So I know you do? You feel very strong? I
got pinions about that. Have you ever had somebody steal

(10:41):
an X? Is that why you have such strong opinions
about this steal like a friend of yours or did
an X date a friend of yours? No? I mean
again no, and I I've never.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I've also never cheated on a partner and I've never
I've never dated a friend's X. It's just there's hard
boundaries where you just it's like, if that's your boy,
I don't care. If you're in love with this girl,
you have to decide it is your love for your
friend more important than your love for this girl.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I'm very young as a teenager, was so madly in love.
We broke up, and then I heard that she was
dating some guy and of course friend of yours. No,
just some guy, ok, I'd never met. And it was like,
of course this guy sucks, you know whatever. I just
in my mind he's like the worst person ever, because
you know they're dating now and whatever. And then he

(11:28):
became friends with one of my best friends. Oh, because
they were just friends. Yeah, And they started to become
friends and he was still dating my ex, and I
was like, Okay, I can't blame my friend. He's made
a new friend, shrinking it. Will they break up? I
become friends with him. He's still my best friend to

(11:48):
this day. Who is it Matt really? Yes? And who
did he date Marie? No? Yes, that's how I know Matt.
And that was also crazy thirteen fifteen, sixteen seventeen, but
then even crazier after we became friends. So madd and
I become friends. He started dating her again later and
I just had to accept. I was like, you know what,

(12:11):
I can't, you know, I can't. It's not like he
didn't betray me because we didn't know each other, right,
But it was a differentation, and I think that's why
it is a different situation. But I do think that
I give a little more credence to the complications of
like now, when you're best friend at the time started
dating Maureen, I think I would no longer be best
friend exactly because I have to imagine you're going to
your best friend going I can't believe this is happening.

(12:31):
You're you're laying your heart out to your your friend
about everything that's going on, so he or she knows
everything that's happening. They're your sounding board, well, your rock.
And then and then what that means is that they
end up choosing the relationship over your friendship, right, right,
And that that, especially when you're a teenager, is extremely
short sighted, you know what I mean, Like because your friends,

(12:52):
your friendships at that age especially are probably going to
last longer than your dating relationships. In this case, we're
dealing with people in their thirties and marriage. People are
really quick to get to rush to marriage in this world.
That's what. Yeah, which I've said this to you before.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I think there's a whole group of people out there,
and I think they're mostly the younger generations. But that's
a huge generalization that I think the wedding is more
important than a marriage. Yeah, and it's all about the wedding,
and it's all about the wedding. It's like, that's fine,
the wedding's one day. The marriage is supposed to be
a lifetime. So I think there's some very short sighted

(13:27):
out people. And I also think that divorce has become
so commonplace that it's a viable option.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
The day you're getting married, you're like, yea, if it
doesn't work out, I'll get divorced, which is just not
how I was raised.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
So yeah, I think it's and again they're coming at
it like there's a joke on Seinfeld where he's trying.
He's hitting on Debra Messing and she's like, yeah, I'm
getting divorced.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
He's like, how long you've been married? She's like three years.
It's like, yeah, three years is a long time to
be married. And so it's that kind of joke of like,
they've been married four years and that doesn't mean that
they should be together if it's toxic, of course not.
But it also seems like maybe they should never have
been married in the first place. But we didn't see
the first ten years knowing nothing about them, Maddie. Were
they the perfect couple?

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Not even close?

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Never? Okay, okay, Maddie, you are a resident expert on
all things summerhouse in the City, so they were never
a very good couple. Do you have feelings one way
or the other? Are you team Amanda team Kyle going
into this episode? You know, I think I.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Think it's interesting. I think everyone would have been rooting
against Kyle because he has been very poorly. Yes, she
did on her in the past. It hasn't been a
great relationship overall. However, with Amanda in this whole scandal,
everyone's like, Kyle, I feel so bad for you. I
understand why.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
You did what you did. Oh my god. I have
to say, watching this first episode, I felt more for
She's the one crying a lot. But he seems like
deer in the headline, like he's literal really seems like
stunned by what's happening. So I don't know. But then
when you know, it turns out that, yeah, when you
find out that he's cheating, it just.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
The whole thing reminds me of the old joke of
you know, my my wife ran away with my best friend,
and man, I really miss him, right, So it's that
kind of thing where I'm wondering, now, Wait, Maddie, when
it came worth Sierra and West a good couple.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
She was really really into him. And he's one of
those guys where he likes to like we've seen in
this episode, he's more of a boy he likes yeah,
he likes tension from different women. So she was really
into it. He yeah, kind of like talked poorly about
the relationship to the press and it made her really sad,

(15:45):
I know, And it's just it is kind of a mess.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Is there any chance is anybody rooting for Kyle and
Sierra to get together?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
You know, people have said that it would be funny,
but they would never do that. And Sier as a
very like loyal person, I would say, so she I don't.
I can't see her ever doing.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Can we can we go back to this boy term.
I just want to I just want to think a
couple of minutes. I'm gonna maybe over analyze this, but
that's that's what I'm here for. Okay, to be a boy?
Uh positive? Like in other words, it's negative, right, It's negative,
isn't it? Yeah? Oh yeah, okay, So I would never
be like I am such a boy. No, no, why

(16:28):
hold on? I like to have sex women. And because
is it a boy pretty attractive? Doesn't that mean that like.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
You could and I mean no, that doesn't really play
into it. It's more of your actions, Like I don't
really care about women's feelings.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
I just want to have sex with women. It's like
a boy is a modern day player.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yes, okay, so a player in the nineties has just
gone to a boy, whereas like the Manister.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Had a positive association, you know, like sometimes the player like, hey,
is it that bad that I just you know, because
if you're upfront, if you're I mean, I get it,
don't be a boy if you're married, don't be a
boy if you're in a relationship. But if I show
up somewhere and I'm like, hey, I love sex, ladies,
and you for it, what's the problem. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, I mean it has more of a negative connotation
behind it, is all I can really say. And women,
women will throw it around more towards men, being like, oh,
don't go for him. He's a boy, you know what
I mean, Like, it's not worth it.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Okay, okay. I think this player comparison is apt will
and I think it's right on the verge.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, yeah, but you're right though there were times where
being a player was was kind of a cool thing,
but there was also he said, you'd also hear like
oh god, like girls like oh I would never date him,
he's such a player.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
So I think it's that same. I think it's just
the modern day players is now the boy which all right,
predictions for this season will, predictions for what's going to happen,
what how you're going to feel by the end.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I don't know. There's part of me that hopes I
embrace the idea that this is a modern soap opera
and I start to watch it as thus, So there's
part of me that really hopes that I'm have my
popcorn and I'm team Oh. I can't believe that whatever
is going with whoever in my mind because I have
been okay with equating.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
The fact that they're not real people.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
And you know what, we should do a segment every
week like Hey, who's gonna get amnesia this week? And
find out they're their own twin? So like that kind
of thing where if I can get to that place,
I think I'll enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I want to.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
I have to be able to let go of the
bias that I have of these are horrible people doing
a horrible thing, and I can't believe anyone would watch this.
That's just millions of people watch this stuff. So I
know that I'm wrong. I just have to be able
to find a way to embrace that. And I think
I'm going to be able to.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
How about you, I'm yeah, I'm I'm very curious. I
feel like in some ways this is like easier than
the other show we've covered in that there's no there's
less pressure, do you know what I mean? Like I
don't need to understand how a Venetian Waltz works or
I could just sit back and be like, all right,

(19:12):
I do have to I like, for me, like I
have issues of class and money. Like I'm always just
like sitting there going how do you have this much money?
How is this? How is this your life? Like I'm
just flabbergasted by that. But I think that's also part
of the show. I think that's part of what you enjoy,
is like look at these clothes and these cars and
this these apartments. Like that's part of the fun, right,

(19:34):
It is like getting a glimpse behind the curtain of
like this insane wealth, and I think I just need
to let go and see where it takes us. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Now, the question I want to talk to you about,
and we'll address this throughout the entire show, is do
you think these people really have.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
That amount of money or do they just look like
they do. Well. I think they're getting that amount of
money because of this show, maybe, but who knows what
some of these shows pay, and you know, a lot
of these people want to be on these shows, so
they might we know, some of these TV deals, they
might not be making millions of dollars to do well. No,
they probably are not making much money off the show itself,
but their popularity from the show means that their lover

(20:08):
boy company makes more money or sells, you know, whatever
it is. I think just notoriety, fame is power these days, right,
and that wealth it's currency. So in some ways, doing
one of these shows, even though it seems like they
all already have money just to be living these lives,
I think doing these shows only makes them wealthier in

(20:28):
that in that sense, you know.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
So I'm going to cut in really fast, please to
note these people did most of them did have real
jobs before they came onto the show. So Sierra was
a nurse, Linday like a pr person. So it is
interesting because a lot of them have adjusted, like you
guys are saying to now, being quote unquote influencers, right

(20:50):
because they're in this bravosphere. Gotcha Before that, they were
pretty normal people just living in New York City.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Right, So see this is a they're part of the
whole cultural develop right right, because that's the way everybody
is now, you know. I mean, like my joke on
my Instagram handle is that we're all influencers now, and
I think it's kind of true. Like I said it
as a joke a couple of years ago, mostly in
response to the fact that like every musician friend I
know only makes a living by being on social media,
every actor friend I know only gets jobs because of

(21:19):
how many followers they right, Like, this is our reality,
is that we're there's no such thing as like getting
that TV show or that record deal that like secures
you a regular income. Your best bed is to build
your own fan base directly with the people. And so
a show like this is all about that right life
to get on social media again, aren't I It's what
I keep hearing. God, I mean, you got off social media,

(21:39):
but you have a fence to so you're still addicted
in all the way too. But but I don't have
to put myself out there. That's the drum Now, Yeah,
I can the great and powerful aws without any power
whatsoever or being great except for those podcasts that you
put out every week. That is only fifty Let's dive

(22:07):
into the actual episode, all right, Here we go. Episode one,
Amanda and West are together in the news in Manhattan.
They do establish that, so we have the scandal sort
of leading us into April ninth, twenty twenty six, where
we meet writer Kyle and Amanda's I thought the star

(22:28):
of the show. What's important here? They have a dog
with the coolest name in the world.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yep, there's also a blonde interior designer named Lexi like my.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Stepdaughter. Yeah that's funny. Yeah, So the most important thing
that will happen on this episode has already happened. We
have met Rider. Yes, Amanda and Kyle. They came back
to the city and she got us room in a hotel.
Kyle's life is rough because he joined a new gym
and he had to do deadlifts. Then they get into it.

(23:01):
Amanda says that she gave their relationship everything that she had.
Kyle counters with, no, you were pretty much done with me.
Amanda is crying and she claims that there has been
no cheating, and it seems to be her end on
her end, but Kyle is implying that she is emotionally

(23:22):
cheating with West already, and Kyle defends himself saying, what
I made out with one person one time, and then
Amanda says, but there was video. Yeah, that's why. No.
She goes, you know, you made out with somebody. He's like, no,
I didn't name one.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
The name one there's video and he's like, okay, that
was literally a spot.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Okay, yeah, all right, I think what you invite the
cameras into your life? Yeah, you got everything's up on
the table. You can't like yeah, yeah. I mean I
kind of mostly feel sorry for both of these people,
not knowing anything, not having seen them, because this is
how I've met them, which is in the throes of

(24:03):
you know, pretty awful drama, like full yeah, and I
feel I feel a little bad just watching it.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
I feel like this is just me with my head
in your bedroom, watching your life.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
And at one point they show one of the girls
having sex and it's like, oh, they're nothing. I was
surprised by that. Like, nothing's off bounds or out of
bounds with this show. It's just going to be bring
the cameras in, see how crazy we can get. See.
That is a good example because when I saw that
sex scene, which is like her in a flashback in
a nurse's outfit, like mounting some guy. Yeah, and then
she she's like, but she made some like cheesy joke

(24:38):
about like nurse hard something. I don't know what I
forget about. Yeah, and then he makes this face and
he's like that's so sexy. It was like, this is
the least sexy thing in the world. Like this is
so put on. They're trying so hard to look like
they're having sex, and it's like, to me way less,
like you know, like porn is really unsexy in my opinion,

(25:01):
like because it's so fake, you know, even though they
really are doing something, it feels so fake because it's
like and that was like even worse because I'm like,
they're trying to be born, do you know what I mean?
It was like low like a low rent version of it.
I was like, oh, God, get a mask, because like
what's happening. Giving back to Red Shoe Diary, you know exactly,

(25:21):
there was a story at least I know why the
pool boys there. No, but that's what I mean. It's
all simulated reality. That's what I think we and I
think even this drama and that's I actually, I will
say like the part that hurt me the most was
throughout this is Kyle's face because he's not equipped like
he has this. You know, she's crying like Amana's crying,
and I feel bad for her, but she also seems

(25:43):
to be coming into these scenes with an agenda and
she's sad about it, but she knows what's happening. Kyle
truly doesn't seem to know what's happening throughout this episode,
and I feel for him, and I I when I
have a moment like this scene where I go, oh, well,
he cheated on her, like he's not a great guy.
I'm sure that there's backstory there, but I'm feeling sorry
for this guy because he looks like a deer in

(26:04):
the headlights getting slammed with this breakup. Yes, over and
over again, and maybe he's just not smart enough to
have kept up with the history of.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Joe doesn't comprehend what's what's going because she keeps saying
that to it again.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
The one thing I took them this is thankfully they
did not allow cameras in their couples counseling sessions.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I was like, thank god for that. They kept talking
about it. Oh well, there would never be a counselor
who would actually be able to keep their their license
right if they did that. Oh No.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
There was a remember back in the day, a friend
of mine watched the show about a guy who was
a hairdresser on Bravo, and every episode he was in
with his therapist and that camera's right in there, okay,
and so so it was one of those things where
I was like, thank god they didn't do that. But yes,
it seems like and again we're coming in knowing nothing. Yeah,
and so, I mean, I guess there's all different types.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
He doesn't know what they're going assume that any therapist
worth would.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Would say, yeah, but it seems like they're She's telling
him stuff they've talked, and it's like he's never.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Heard it before. And it's kind of like, yeah, I
think he might just you know, not comprehend He might, yeah,
just not paying attention, which is, you know, not a
great sign for the relationship anyway. But no, she seems
like a toxic relationship. You probably shouldn't be together, but
why do I have to? I shouldn't be watching you
guys go through this. This is horrible for you. Well,
by the end of the scene, both of them are
crying and Kyle has this really interesting comment he as,

(27:22):
it makes me so upset that someone else gets the
version of you that I fell in love with. It's
actually a good line. It is a good line. It's
an interesting line. It's like it's a weird way to say,
like you've changed beyond my recognition, you know, because it's
because it also has this weird jealousy thing about somebody
else that is hypothetically going to get you, which is
a little like uh, like that's something that my wife

(27:43):
always talks about when people say like they got the girl.
She's like, oh, it just makes me so it's like
so sexist in the way it just thinks about the world,
you know. And I was like, yeah, it's true. I
mean I definitely remember feeling that way and thinking that
way as an adolescent. I'm so glad. I don't you
know where it's like a woman is something to get,
that's like a prize. And we're in Lindsay's apartment meeting

(28:04):
Lindsay uh with a baby, baby crime. Lindsay has become
a mom, and she says her life is chaos. She
was the nurse. Uh, nurse Lindsay. The flashback was hers
the nurse. Okay, she was nurse Lindsay.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
And she's the one where two months after this, after
she had the baby, I guess they ended their engagement
or something like yeah, so they.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Wait, I'm going to cut in here. Sorry, yes, please,
if you have anything we don't know, Professor Maddie, Please,
for the love of God help us. Oh.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Well, so she had a baby daddy that was off
the show. So the guy that she was straddling, they engaged, Yes,
they got engaged. They ended their engagement two months before
the wedding, and then like I think it was maybe
less than a year later, she got pregnant by some
guys she was dating from maybe like a month two months.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
That's the baby daddy. But they were never engaged. Correct,
never engaged. He never signed the release to be on
the show for him wherever wherever is he on the show?
Was the baby daddy ever on the show? Or no, no, no,
If he was, they blurred his face, that would be
great for that character for an entire Season's face is
just blurred and his voice changed like he's a mob boss.

(29:13):
He's like turning, like he just keeps starting the camera go,
you're not said to be filmed or on camera. Well,
she's she's struggling with having a baby. She you know,
knows it's her baby because the baby's given her a
death stare that she always does ha ha. And she's
very upset that she hasn't had sex for nine months.
She used to shoot rainbows and butterflies out of her vagina.

(29:36):
This is where we get the flashbacks to the series
of rainbows and butterflies, including it. Yeah, I was like,
this is the this is not she's so hard something hard.
I wish I remember what she said. It was like,
but yeah, it's like you had I had to do.
It was a what is those things like the paddles?
It was something like that, but with the word hard.
And I don't know. Well, she was broken up with

(29:57):
five months ago, I guess by the father of her child.
And she says she couldn't get through this without her
support system, which is her friend. Uh oh, well, her
nanny Liz, who we get to meet for a second,
who I'm sure is taking care of this baby. Well,
she's out for every scene of this show besides shopping later,

(30:19):
so Liz has got got her hands full and her friends.
Now we meet Yvonne, who is her old friend. We
get this memory of Yvonne actually pumping her breast for
her when she forgot her breast pump, which is quite
quite an image, quite a visual. Good friend. Friend, Hell, yes,

(30:40):
good friend. I'd like to thank God forbid. Something happen
and you need to squeeze my balls. You'd do it, right?
I don't think I would. You just got a little.
It's good to know I standing with the relationship. Writer,

(31:01):
Thanks so much. All right, Wilfredell will cup writers balls
a few meets to that's what he considers friend.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Jam right, if I had to, I'll take one for
the team to save your life.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Writer.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
You're right, you're right. Okay, you heard it here first
folks ball brothers. All right, Ah, there we beat Georgina,
who says her life is a disaster. Her ex lefter
and she went crazy. We don't ever really get an
explanation of what this is. I'm very curious about this crazy,

(31:31):
crazy period of her life.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
All right.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Then they're taking baby Gemma shopping. It's Lindsay and Amanda,
and Amanda drops the bomb that she stayed at a
hotel after the summerhouse. And Amanda says she and Kyle's
therapist has said, you guys seem like you actually hate
each other, which when yah therapist says that that's not good. Yeah. Yeah,
we get a flashback where Kyle said you should move out,

(31:55):
and a flashback where Sierra also told Kyle that they
should probably be a part. And then we're in Central
Park Andrea and Lexi, happy beautiful couple. She wants to
be a princess and she's Prince Charmine. She always wanted
to get you here. She wants to be a princess,

(32:15):
and he's opening one day find a box of money.
It's like, well, this is how they introduced their characters.
I don't know anything else about them. No, it's literally
photos of her as a kid and saying always wanted
to be a princess and now I am. Okay. She
says she always wanted to get married at Disneyland, and
I was like, yeah, that tracks You're the type of

(32:36):
person that spends the money. It gets the whole carriage, right.
I remember seeing this when we were in disney World
during the twenty fifth disney World anniversary. Do you remember
we were out there everyone just we're seeing like that
was the first time I learned that people got married
a Disneyland. Yeah, and I saw they had They had
one of the like it's like a Cinderella carriage with
horses pulled up at our hotel because there was how

(32:58):
they began the weddings. They would get all into one
of these. That's your thing, the fantasy things.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
People get married in Star Wars costumes, and I mean
I get her.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
You know, I'm very I'm much more anti Disney than
you have you are. I have a thing about I
have a thing about the simulacrum, as the philosopher Bouldryard
would say, which we can get into. Should we get into?
The philosopher both love to talk about the simulacrum and
uh what is can you can you briefly explain what

(33:26):
that is? Yes? Yeah, I was just talking about the
next podcast. Actually, he was a French philosopher in the
nineteen sixties who came up, you know, through the sort
of developing in the Marxist tradition, but saying that in
capitalism and in modern life, simulations have come to reflect
to replace real life. So what started as a reflection

(33:49):
of real life? Like in other words, you have a
TV show that is scripted and completely fake, and you know,
at a certain point, like our relationship, let's say, with
like a person's relationship with Mickey Mouse or a fictional
character starts to become very real to them, to in
a way that the simulations of things start to replace

(34:11):
real life entirely, so that we are all kind of
living eventually. And he was kind of ahead of his
time because you think about where we were at in
the nineteen sixties as far as entertainment and commercialization that
by you know that that at a certain point in
a capitalist in a hypercapitalist society that is so bent
on symbols and advertising and replacing reality with with simulated reality,

(34:35):
with simulacrim is what it called it that eventually you
lose all track of reality, so that most people think of,
you know, the wild West, and they think about Western
movies and Western books more than the realities of the history,
or that when you think of Mickey Mouse, you have
a personal relationship with Mickey Mouse more than you do
with say one of your cousins. Or you know that
that real, like real physical reality is almost secondary to

(34:59):
simulated reality. I think that this is pretty accurate description
of how most of us are living our lives. I think, yeah,
and that we, you know, we have lost track of
like you know, I mean, I remember when we talked
about Survivor and we talked about liking wilderness, and you know,
that's kind of what I like about being alone in
the wilderness or being out in a physical environment. That's
tough is that I feel that it often pierces the

(35:20):
veil of the simulacrum that I'm living in on a
daily basis. We all are, you know, we can't help
but live in these you know so.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
But then you could also argue that you have a
better relationship with nature than you do with some of
your cousins.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Sure, sure, but I guess the the danger is in
the way that these simulations or the simulacrium are manipulating us. Right,
that organ like corporations which are not you know, held
responsible for you know, much other than making as much
money as possible, will profit off of people's essentially living

(35:55):
delusional lives. You know that that the fantasy life that we,
you know, come to exist in more and more becomes
very profitable for some a company like Journey, Right, they
want you to believe that Disneyland is the height of
the greatest life because you know, and Disneyland is a
simulation real life. Sure doesn't have parks that look that clean,

(36:16):
and sure you know the rules and all the sort
of like control and perfect music and characters and all
that you know it is intentionally a simulation, and so
I guess I get a little uncomfortable. And people embrace
that as reality and don't ever question it. See I
would look at it.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I would look at it as a place where certain
people find joy by going there, and.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
They're escaping reality for a bit.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Their reality is so terrible with they have a shitty job,
they don't have this, they don't have.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
That, they're not in love, whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
And when they go to a place like Disneyland or
comic book convention or something like that, they're around people
who feel the way they do, who look at things
the way they do, and they just have a day
to just let go. Yeah, And that's how I look
at something like that. Now there are now are there
people that.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Take it to extremes of course, right, and you have
that everywhere where it's like, okay, dude, you're not actually
boba fects. See Boutryard would say, that's a pacifying impulse.
That that actually pacifies you and blinds you to the
real dangers in the world. And in other words, we
tolerate starving people in Africa because we're happier in our
simulation of American life. That simulacrums that surround us in
American life. The things that we escape to, like you're saying,

(37:24):
are a function almost like as a drug, so that
we don't ever question the material realities that own the
material realities that make our life possible. Is pretty awful
for a lot of the world, right, And so he
would say he would say that the reason that we
tolerate that is because we embrace the escapism, like you're describing.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
And that's one of the other One of the other
reasons that you tolerated is because you can't take all
of the ills in the world on your shoulder.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Nobody.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Nobody can take that of course, So it's one of
those things where most people deal with their own lives
and the problems there to where as awful as starving
kids in Africa are, and you send money and you
do what you can. Unless you actually have the money
to fly over there with food, there's really not a
whole lot you can do it.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Well, pretty much everyone on the show has that kind
of money. Good Bring Bring Back, Yeah, uh yeah, Well,
I think that this show is a is a perfect
example of the kind of uncomfortable reality that that I've
always had a kind of tensions with and and and
and and. Uh yeah, I would I would highly recommend Beautriard.

(38:26):
You know, let's do this every week. Let's do this
every week. We should take a break to discuss a philosopher.
That's fine if we also take a break to go
to Disneyland. Okay, there, deal, We'll go on one ride
and that's my segment. Every week, I'm going to bring
in a different French philosopher or someone and we'll call
it a writer's brain break and we'll just we get
to we get to do in the city and French philosophy.

(38:49):
Oh I'm in every week. Yeah, sold, all right. So
she always wanted to get married in Disneyland, ended up
getting married in a real castle in Italy. See she

(39:11):
broke through the simulacrum. Yeah, because it's it's because we
can get married in a real castle in Italy. And
there were other cast cast members there and Danielle, who
we haven't met yet, caught the bouquet. Perfect transition to Danielle,
who was playing tennis. This is where I noticed that
she was introduced. She but she looks good new tennis

(39:33):
outfolding a tennis tis. And this was the first time,
I noticed that she was introduced as a founder slash influencer. Yeah,
which is I think basically all of their jobs. Yeah,
pretty much. Yeah. I mean these are really like they're
all just kind of socialites I think is the right word,
Like people who's just like their social life and their
status is their job, right. It's like I kept thinking

(39:55):
about like like king's courts, you know, like in like
every aristocratic times, and you'd be like in the court
and gossipated and whether you were in the king's favor
or not and allowed to stay at court, you know
what I mean. Like, it's such a weird world. And
it got even worse later with the guys because the
version of the guys he was like, well, we're the
same kind of guys. We're play hard, work hard, work hard,

(40:18):
play hard. And it's like, oh, okay, she's pretty horrible
at tennis. She says, I quit and uh, Owen spelled
very strangely. But Owen says you look good though, yeh.
And he is the tennis player. And this is where
I noticed the foreign guys. Yeah, like Andrea and now
Owen he was like a minion accent on the show

(40:42):
Welcome doing the city they sit on a bench and
talk about having kids, which they seem to both agree
it would be great, and she hints about getting engaged,
and that's when we learned that they have been dating
for six months, which seems.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Pretty and she's throwing out like numbers and engage and
they've only been living together for one month, which to
me very.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Fast, very fast talk.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
And again, I couldn't imagine being a woman when it
comes to a biological clock, which is a very real thing.
And she says she's thirty seven, and you know, it's
got to be easier to raise kids just just from
a physical standpoint in your twenties than it is from
your late thirties or forties.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
So I understand that, But in a relationship, it seemed
if I was in a relationship and I'm dating someone
for six months and they're instantly talking about babies and marriage,
that might be that might be a hard How.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Old are these people? I really have no clue. I'm
so sad that she.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Was thirty seven, and so my guess is he's probably
right around the same age.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
My guess is the vast majority of them, I think
I think the like they're getting divorced. They were like
early forties, like forty forty three. Kyle said he was
like forty three, forty three something like that. So yeah,
so I think they're all kind of late thirties early forties. Yeah,
it seems really hard to be dating in this environment.
Oh my god. I would say even without the cameras,

(41:58):
let's take away the camera factor, which is obviously but
dating and these sort of like DJing at a nightclub
where we drink. There's a lot of drinking in this,
Like the people are drinking a lot and like dressing
up and like intentionally sort of like peacocking, like both
men and women. It's like they're presenting their wealth and
they're showcasing their wealth to one another. And that seems

(42:19):
to be like their ability to be like witty in
these situations and like present their wealth and status is
the sort of currency that gets them attracted to one another,
and that I just think that's a recipe for a
bad relationship. Guys. I agree. I think I think you
actually nailed the analogy though, of the kind of the kings.
It's the king's court without the king. Yeah, because there's
you know, you had the prince.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
You had the ladies in waiting and all that stuff,
and these are people that showed wealth but didn't necessarily
have it, or they were all sleeping around, they were
always drunk, they were losing their fortunes, they were doing this.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
That's kind of where we are today. I think it's
pretty much a perfect analogy. Do you know what this
is reminding me of? And I actually thought about this
and now I'm trying to remember what it was. There's
a movie called Dark Trek three. It's a French film.
I'm all about friends today. Oh my god, no, this
is it's it. When I saw it, I believe it

(43:10):
was called Wit, but I'm looking it up now and
it's actually called Ridicule. And it's a yeah. It's a
period piece in about the Court of Versailles and social
status based and it's how the social status in that
time could rise and fall based on one's ability to
be witty and to give out insults and avoid ridicule.

(43:31):
And I this movie really. I went and saw it
with David Combs, our studio teacher on Boy Meets World,
and I loved it. I've forgotten about it, but that's
it presents a society like you know that. I think
if we watched this now, we should watch this movie.
I'm definitely gonna watch it before our next episode because
I feel like it is, you know, a historical version
of the kind of extreme court society that seems so

(43:54):
obviously artificial and like absurd to us. Now that like
this show kind of feels like to me, and I
think that anyway, I'm gonna I'm gonna watch that movie.
I highly recommend it to our listeners if we can
find it, and I'll bring it up next week because
I I thought about it while I was watching. I
was like, this feels like, you know, the French Court,
and I was reminded of this movie. I really did

(44:15):
a d com because if it's not, I probably won't
have a chance to watch Dan. Yelle's worried about her
friendship with Lindsey. It's of awkwardness to come. Cut to
Tribeca Kyle again. We now learn that he is the
CEO of lover Boy, which I've since learned is a
drink company. Drink apparently, okay, would you want to drink

(44:39):
a drink called lover Boy? Well, it's made with real boy,
real Okay. At least it's not made with real boys.
Love that real boy. So that's your darn right. I'm
gonna no, of course, I wouldn't drink anything over lover boy.
I mean, actually it's not a bad name for like
a rose, you know, like if it's a wine. But

(45:01):
I have a feeling it's like an energy drink or
in eighties eighties emo band, which is what lover Boy was.
I mean, yeah, sel Seltzers. Okay, I drink Seltzers all
the time, and I'm not going to drink anything called
lover boy. Is it? Are they alcoholic? Seltzer's They must
be alcoholic. Yes, of course I drink so much. There
you go. Yeah, all right. So Kyle is meeting his
friend Kenny, who is a venture capitalist. Kenny calls Kyle

(45:25):
a bit of a lush in his confessional, which I
was like, it seems like somebody has a little bit
of perspective. Yeah, Kenny picking, I'm gonna say, Kenny, Kenny
strikes me. He's a little more like head on his
shoulders than almost everybody else. Although we'll see, well, I
don't want to admit guessing. Yes. Well. He also has
the line in this episode wh He's like, I'm getting

(45:46):
hate man, you hate man vibes or whatever he says,
and I was like, Kenny calmed out, It's okay, you
could take a little criticism anyway. So, uh, yeah, Kyle
talks about Kenny talks about being from the Midwest, he
came and his fortune on Wall Street, and he has
done better than he ever expected. Turns out he's actually
put money into lover Boy, which I found it a

(46:06):
little interesting. All Right, So Kyle is admitting that he
is going to lose his company by the end of
this year if things don't don't start turning around. He
fills Kenny in on the fact that Amanda stay in
a hotel, and we learned that Kenny is dating Whitney,
who wakes up happy, is always happy. We get shots
of her walking her dog. Whitney describes herself as a

(46:30):
Midwest girl who has just moved across the country to
be with Kenny. Find out that she was on the Bachelor.
She's seeming to marry her way in or move her
way into this reality show world. She already kind of
was in this reality show world. So this average Midwest
girl is actually a reality He started yep, I maybe believe.

(46:53):
Right around here is where she's called a doll for
the first time, which happens no less than three times.
Me is a doll. I don't like that. You're not
a fan of that. I don't like kind of like it. No, okay,
I love that here you know who, you know who.
I think she'd be called a doll, like like a
like an older woman who's like got great you know,

(47:16):
like a like like I wanted to mean, like a
doll in like a nineteen forties fast top. Yeah, well
that's I mean, that's how that's how a doll. But
they're calling it. They're calling her a doll when she's
not there as as a description of her as like
a sort of.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah, I would pretty it's like a vernacular kind of y. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
And I think that I think it implies that she
is like sweet, innocent and young and sort of maybe
a little vapid naive or naive. Yeah. And I don't
like it. I find it. I find it condescending. And
and and the fact that it came up three times,
I was like, oh, that's if it seems maybe not
a red flag, maybe a yellow flag. I kind of

(47:55):
want to bring it back though. I mean, I don't
like to say they're using it, but that's what I'm
talking to. She's I think if they say it is
some endearment to her, or she says it about herself,
I'm fine, you know, like, but the fact that it's
said about her three times was like a little yeah, well,
let's just put a little yellow flo Yeah. Well, because

(48:17):
she might like it, and if she likes we kill
well I still care. But yes, I'm not gonna you know,
people people like a lot of things that I can.
But if it's like if somebody refers to me as
something and like it bothers other people but I like it,
then what do I care. It's like, I don't care
if you don't like how somebody refers to me. Okay,
lover boy, Oh dude, I'll take all you kidding. I'll
take lover boy. I just won't drink it. You can

(48:40):
call me lover boy, just don't make me drink any
all right, Well, back with the guys. After we've met
Whitney the doll. Kenny says that he is slightly concerned
about his own relationship with Whitney because but he speaks
in these abstract terms. She says, sometimes there's this spark
and fire, hard for me to know if this is
the one. If there's for sure park there, maybe don't

(49:01):
invite her to move in with you from across the country.
To stay single. There's nothing wrong with just just being
single and playing the field. Well, it might not help
your television career, but I mean one of the only reason.
That would be the only reason, because look, they probably
had a conversation, they met, they probably started you were
on the Bachelor. Look, I've been doing this other show. Yeah,

(49:22):
you know they're talking about coming to the in the city.
Why don't you move in with me. We'll have some fun,
maybe break up or maybe it'll work forever. But let's
do it in front of the cameras and we both
Now here's a question. Do you think the conversations get
that blatant? Do you think they beat around the bush,
or do you think it's ever like, just come on
and we'll pretend to be a couple. We'll both be
on the show for as long as it'll go. Maybe
we'll get maybe it'll get a question. I don't think so.

(49:43):
I think I think everybody has to maintain a level
of fiction own life. I think so too. Okay, I
would appreciate it more if they were that blatant. I
don't think they are. I think they mostly are so
as self delusional as they are. You know, they have

(50:04):
to be, because it's sort of like if they were
to pierce that bubble between them, it would like it
would make it impossible to do this kind of thing,
or it would make it a job in a way
that they probably don't want to have to admit, right, Like.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
I think you're right, though, though I will say I
will do one caveat for that. I will guarantee you
some private conversation between Amanda and Kyle. One of them said,
you know this will be great for the show. I
will bet you all the money in my pocket set
out at one.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah. God, I just feel like it's I feel like
it's you know, it's like one of it's just cognitive dissonance.
You know, it's like one of those things that once
you admit it, it's like it's sort of like being
in the closet and getting married, you know what I mean.
Like they have to they have to maintain it, Like
they can't really admit it to themselves. They have the
feelings they know that they're doing this for this reason,
but they're like, no, we got to keep it up

(50:53):
for the appearances. And if they were to say, well,
I'm actually gay and I'm just using you to keep
my status or whatever, it's like, then it's over. You know,
they can't do that. Then no one would agree to it.
But they can all kind of know it, but not
you know, I feel like it's a weird it's a
weird thing, but a weird balance. But I'll bet you
at some level there's been some conversation between some of
them where maybe, but I just feel like that's so.

(51:14):
I mean, like because to me, it's like the second
anybody said something to me like the conversations that Kyle
and Amanda are having throughout this episode, I would just
be like, WHOA turn off the cameras, come here, we
need to talk. Do you know what I mean? You
don't do you can't do like that is by far
the most like essential human reaction to these situations, you

(51:34):
know what I mean? Like, I guess don't understand that
they don't do that.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
By the third French poet you bring up, they're gonna
fire you anyway, right, So.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
They're not gonna You're not gonna have to worry about
the cameras and people in the city. I don't think
you're gonna to worry about that at all. Is there
a live finale of the show that we get to
go watch for they actually sign the divorce papers? Is
that is that a thing we get to go see that?
Like we do a Survivor? God all right? In the

(52:13):
West Village, we are at the Garrett, which is a bar.
I believe we're going to be seeing a bunch of
because this is Gavin's speak easy. This is my kind
of place. Will you've got to go to our joint
or some market, go upstand, I'm never gonna leave five guys,
I am. That's what it was really like. This bar,

(52:34):
Gavin seems interesting and I was like, cool, this is
gonna be this is a nice place I have come into.
This vibe. Everybody's one dimensional, trying to make it sound
like the cheers the song, but it doesn't really work. Yes.
Describing the Garrett Gavin's bar, Kenny admits that he used
to have access to the security cameras, which Whitney calls
him out for. It is like, don't say that's me creepy.

(52:56):
It's creepy. She really is a dull. Edy proceeds to
say that he just used it to like check out
the scene before he came down. Okay, man, Yvonne creets Lindsey,
and this is when we really meet Georgina, who is
a dermatologist. We will get more of her later. Kyle,

(53:17):
we didn't know this episode, no, but I actually yeah,
we'll get into it later. But yeah, Kyle and Amanda
are now walking saddest couple in the world. This is
post couples therapy. Apparently, she's upset that he was out
DJing until four A or out DJing until two am,
that stayed out till four am. Maybe maybe stop drinking, buddy,

(53:40):
or tone it back or pull it back or and
here he is going out and she does not want
to go out with him, tells him, so maybe Kyle,
don't go to the bar, but he goes back at
the Garrett. Kenny is giving his background on his relationship
with Whitney, says that you know, they slow played it
for six months and Buddy Avid jumps in with because

(54:01):
he was playing around being a boy with me. You
see his face to Hre It's like you want. Kenny
jumps in and it's like, well let me, let me
be clear and says what I meant by that my
saying it wasn't the best version of myself, And then
that other guy jumps in it says, what stage of
grief is being a point which I love? The best
thing ever? He says everyone deals with differently, but Kenny

(54:26):
insists that they love each other, calls her a doll
third time, and then it sort of becomes a panel.
Whitney joins Kenny and he tries to get her out
of there, but it's a scene suddenly. Lindsey says, explains
that it's a lot for Whitney to move across the
country without a ring, and Kenny says, I'm getting I
hate men vibes. Kyle shows up, He and Lindsay sit

(54:49):
at the bar and catch up about Amanda not being there.
Owen and Danielle show up, and Lindsey seems upset because
apparently there's beef between Lindsey and Danielle. How do we
know this? Lindsay has notes, She is keeping notes. Yeah,
I love it. They actually show these things and it's
uh friendship. You got to keep score. Yes, Danielle gave

(55:12):
a guy a hand job in an uber a week
after she broke up with him. Then there's been some
sort of meltdowns and dramas publicly. I I mean, I
thought this was kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I know it's funny, but it's absurd funny in like
you want to write it in a comedy, as opposed
to yeah, well I think this is.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I just I just hate to
think about how much of this is manufactured, you know,
because the show, because like I want to believe that
hand job's real. I just I guess, like you know,
the idea that Lindsay is taking notes is that because
she's thinking of herself as an actor in a show
where she needs to keep track of her relationships to
mention these kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Of course, of course, she is more than anybody else
has the main character syndrome where it's like, right, so
I have a thing with anybody, guys, girls, anybody who
clearly has trouble with relationships telling other people how to
do relationships. Oh that's so true, Just like I maybe
take care of the nineteen people that have left you,
as opposed to you telling me what I'm supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
I didn't even think about that relationship. I was reminded.
You know, when I lived in New York, I went
to a wedding, one of the earliest weddings I went to,
because you know, I was only in my early twenties
when I lived in New York and there was this friend, Like,
the couple was getting married in New Jersey and they
had their the bride's one of the bride's good friends

(56:34):
was just one of those people that just managed to
make everything about them and sure enough managed to make
the wedding day oh all about that. I swear to God, dude,
it was one of those things. You're just like, she
couldn't possibly make the wedding about sure enough. Things were delayed,
the bride was crying like it was just one of

(56:55):
those things. It was like, same, my God managed to
make this about you. It's like wah, it is like yeah, yeah,
so I there are some people that are just like
but that's the energy of a lot of these people,
you know what I mean. Like, and that's the kind
of energy like because you said main character energy, there's
also just like I guess this is drama queen energy, right,
like it's just like they just make it about them,

(57:16):
and man, well, who do you think they're going to cast?
They're not going to cast people that are like yeah,
but I'm pretty self.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
You know, I'm a quiet guy, don't really don't really
fight to anybody.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
That's not good good TV. Well, Danielle comes over asks
lindsay if they can get together and have lunch, which
I think is pretty great, but I also wondering how
much the producers are like, now goes talk to you know,
she seems upset exactly, and that's that's that's the story producing.
And Lindsey just says she will think about it, but

(57:46):
I bet it's gonna happen. Yeah, I tell you, we'll
see it. Hey, what do you think getting an uber?
Getting a hand job an uber? Does your rating? I'm
just curious. Does it up the rating? Does it lower
the rating? How does that work? I'm ecuman for being
the driver or one. You know, it really depends on
the hand job. Will you know they're a clean up fee?

(58:13):
Cleanup fee? Yikes? Oh yeah, so many questions.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah, it was in an uber black because if it
was one where you're sharing with other people, what's that
one where everybody gets in that that's you're you're really
you're really.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Kicking it up a notch. Well, that's just sexual assault
at that point exactly, It's just exposure to the public. Okay.
We are then in Georgina's dermatology office in Tribeca, and
this is what I did like about this. We get
to see somebody working. Yeah, someone has a job. Georgina
has a job, and yes, it seems like a pretty

(58:51):
high classy, fancy pants job of giving botox shots. But
you know what, seeing her in scrubs, I was like, Okay,
I like her more than almost which is totally superficial
and not facing anything other than you work. I appreciate
that you work. Yep, you And then she manages to
have like a cabinet where she keeps her like fancy

(59:12):
outfits to be able to go out it automatically like
her or than anybody else. We'll see how that pans out,
but just immediately I was like, you know what, you're
a mom. You're I just she's working. She's a mom.
I like her vibe. I like her vibe. So they
all go out. They go out with Lindsay and Yvonne
after visiting Georgiana. They at the dermatology office, they all

(59:32):
go out. Lindsay fills them in on the fact that
Kyle charged Amanda back rent, which is seen in flashback
that Amanda paid Kyle one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars
for three years of rent, which I don't know. I
was kind of like, again, it all, this is where
you get part of the story. If it's two different stories.

(59:55):
If the story is they moved in together and she
agreed to pay rent and never did, he has every
right to do that. If it's you're moving in with
me and I got it and now we're breaking up
and now you owe me half, it's a completely different story,
but so true. They don't ever give you the story,
I know. And they are married right right that Like
at this point I was like, oh, they're not they

(01:00:16):
must not be married. But then they're at their wedding anniversary,
so it's like, yeah, they're officially married, so it seems
you know, I've always found it very intense when people
like keep their money totally separate after they get married.
Maybe it's super healthy. I don't know. I just grew
up with parents that like shared everything, you know, and like,
so I'm kind of old school in that way. I'm like,
once you're married, you're one person.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
See, I think a hybrid is a better way than
getting everything hybrid.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
They have completely separate, like it sounds like they might have.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
This is where we're getting behalf of a story and
it really comes down pick sides of who you like
based on no information. And it's like, that's what this
show seems to me. We're going to give you partial
information for each story. Now pick which team you're on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
It's like, but we don't know what the hell's going on,
Like what's what's actually happening? So yeah, I don't Again,
it's two different stories.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
If he's just he could easily just be a piece
of shit I want one hundred and seventeen grand, or
he could be like you told me you were going
to pay me this money, and now our business I
let danger and now that it slide, and now I
need it and you have it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
So yeah, so you don't know which one of which one?
It is? All right? Well, interestingly, we get another story
very quickly that I would argue could kind of be similar,
and that Yvonne tells her husband. He says that her husband, Nick,
who doesn't want to have a kid. She tells the
story about flying off to San Diego without telling him
and he didn't notice. She has a very funny line

(01:01:39):
where she says she tells he has to watch true
crime documentaries because he would be the first person investigated
if she disappeared. But I also would like very to
your point. I was like, you didn't tell him you
were taking off, and you live this life of privilege
where you probably do go out and disappear at hotels
with your girlfriends for nights. Why would he necessarily know
where you are? He didn't tell him. I love how

(01:02:01):
they just caught to him with the dog, just oblivious,
like where's mom? That would be me. But I mean, Jesus,
talk about a lifestyle right like you know, not like yes,
he didn't notice, which maybe is a strike against him,
But also that she could just fly across the country
at a moment's notice he wouldn't notice, Probably because they

(01:02:21):
have so much money and help as far as like
dog walkers and people cleaning up the house and whatever.
They know the response, no responsibilities that they This is
what I might not notice. Unhealthy relationships. I couldn't imagine
either my wife or I taking off for any amount
of time and not telling the other person, let alone
the fact that you had another layer of She did
it as a test, where it's like, I mean, yikes,

(01:02:44):
I know, I know, I don't like it. I don't
like tests, man, I don't like tests either. I don't
like tests. We talked about this on our Podmets World
went into it with Tapango. Whether it was a testy,
I think she did many. I think she trapped him.
I do you too. I took trap trap trap. That's
a Star Wars reference for all our listeners who are
are much more in the city fans than Star Wars fans.

(01:03:05):
All right, Amanda and Kyle are out for drinks then
for their wedding anniversary, so much drinking, having caviar and oysters,
and this is their pre game cargo. This is pre game.
But if he has to say like this, don't worry,
We're going up to the real dinner. I'm like, my god,
you probably just spent more on this meal than my
wife and I did on all of our wedding University A. Yeah,

(01:03:29):
go get a bloomin onion. They're way better anyway. So
Amanda says that they're celebrating that they made it to
four years despite everyone's they would only make it to three,
which is who what you call damning with faint praise. Yeah,
and then Amanda says she's going to move out, not
to end the relationship, but to spend better time together

(01:03:54):
and rose this at him at at the bar, and
that's where I you know, this is where I was like,
this guy, like this poor guy? Is that you know?
I feel sorry for him. I mean, he sounds like
he's not the best guy, not the best husband. I
don't love that he's out drinking til four am Yes,
of course not, but man, it's uh. I feel like

(01:04:16):
he's really did not see this coming and should run
for the hills. Yeah, and by the hills, I don't
mean the other reality show. By the way, I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Didn't know what to do with Will's segment. I did
Will's you know, the dance moves, because obviously I'm a scholar.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Dance.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
I did famous survivors, famous traders from history. One of
the things I was going to do is the most
dramatic people in history. M But I just don't feel
there's one to do here. What okay, here's what I'm
gonna do every week. I'm going to start coming up
with a drink to pair with the episode every week.
Nice I like it because that's all they do is
drink and talk.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
So we're going to start pairing it. So for this week,
just for the heck of it, a drink while we're
I mean, you know we sometimes record like three in
the afternoon. Well then yeah we can't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
But for this one, obviously they were doing they were
doing smoky Margarita's, So spicy smoky Margarita is the one
to pair with.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
This week's episode. Just just to start, will this is
how you should drink while watching this show. Yeah, there
you go, spicy smoky margarita. There there you are?

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Well you've been listening to pod meets Twirled. The parties
may end, the friendships may fracture, and the artisanal cocktails
may lose their garnish, but our deeply overqualified analysis of
televised social catastrophe will endure until next time. Trap your
smoking