Pod Meets Twirl'd: In The City 103

Will and Rider’s exploration of the Bravo-verse continues with the inaugural season of “In the City,” this time with extra parmesan.

They try their hardest to decipher if West is a genuine, supportive friend, or diabolical villain looking to scoop Amanda from her crumbling marriage. 50/50 chance.

Will reveals his obsession with Frank, the man in the “milk and dairy industry,” and Rider’s mind is blown by reality TV green-screens.

Plus, a detour into ‘90s feminist philosophy and the marital dangers of drinking a glass of milk - all on Pod Meets Twirl'd: Metropolitan Mess!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to pod Meets Twirld, a podcast that somehow began
with Dancing with the Stars, continued through castles, traders, and
strategic deception, and because our producers, along with many of
our listeners, apparently enjoy watching two confused, middle aged men
struggle through wildly successful reality television, we have now arrived
at a police and neither of us understands Bravo specifically

(00:34):
in the city now. Usually these shows involve a game,
a competition, a cash prize, a goal, but this show's different.
No challenges, no matter mysteries, no judges, no dance scores,
just wealthy adults attending parties, drinking, dating, and keeping tabs
on one another. We are Writer Strong, a man who
generally prefers stories with structure, themes and an ending, and Wilfredell,

(00:55):
who was told that there would at least be some
humor among the cocktails and betrayals. Us as we enter
this world of social warfare, passive aggression, luxury apartments, and
confessionals delivered with the gravity of international diplomacy. This is
Podmets Twirled metropolitan mess and boy it's getting messy.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Will yes, yes it is this. Lines are being drawn
are just lines are being drawn.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I know I had a rough night.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I had a rough last night, had a rough night.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
I had a rough night will And because I came
to a kind of a horrible realization, which is, I,
I don't like this, so you're gonna yuck everybody, but
let me let me finish.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's got nothing to do within the city.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
It's not like I don't like this show the genre
of I just came to realize. One of the reasons
I honed my comedy or I try to, is because
I don't like conflict. And so one of the ways
a great way to, you know, diffuse conflict is to
be the funny guy, which is what I always did.
So an entire show based around conflict. I felt anxious

(02:04):
the whole time I was watching the show. I just
had this feeling in the pit of my gout. I
was like looking down at my phone because it was
like I was I was watching mom and dad fight,
and it made me uncomfortable. My parents were fought, by
the way, ever, but it was one.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Of those things where it's just so again, maybe they
should have thought every once in a while, maybe they
should have fund But.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Again, it's not these people are this show.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
It's the genre of it's people getting together and arguing.
That's what it is, and it just makes me really anxious.
So yeah, this is an uncomfortable for me. It really
was uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I mean, I will say there is a profound lack
of humor among most of the people, a sense of humor,
and I and that actually I hadn't thought about that,
but I think if somebody was too humorous, they would
be able to deflect conflict too easily maybe, which would
make for a fairy boring show or more of a
you know, sort of comedy show. So yeah, the comedy
sort of comes out of people leaning into conflict, right, right. So,

(02:56):
like Lindsay is probably the funniest character, but because she's.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Mostly because she hinged.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, it's because she's like going for it and she's
like she's funny and that she's willing to say things
that most people wouldn't like that, you know, which is
a different type of humor than what you were talking about.
It's not like Gavin is probably the one who attempts
to be the funniest and he's sort of like snarky
on the side, Like all the sides like whoo right,
you know, jabber jabber, throw out a bared it. Yeah,

(03:24):
but you're right, you don't have anybody who's like, I'm
just really funny, funny, you know, saying a funny joke. Yeah,
so I would probably fit in perfectly because I'm very earnest.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
You are, but you're also not in. You're not You don't.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Aggressively search for drama in any way, shape or form,
which is what this is.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
No, but in my twenties, if you got me drunk enough,
I could have been part of this well, I think.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Like they start drinking at breakfast, so you would perfect you.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
If you in my twenties had like I would have,
I would have. I would have been moody and bitchy
right by. Yeah, if you got me drunk and I
would have and and made me feel like on the
outs of a social group, I would have clawed my
way back in probably, you know, like I was in
my grad school. In my grad school, I you know,

(04:11):
I formed a group of friends and I think we
were pretty snarky.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I think, really, now, this was only we were a
low residency.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Program, so we weren't like at college together all the time.
We were mostly write we would write and send stuff
through the mail to our professors. They wouldn't even accept email.
This is crazy two thousand and nine, but so we
had to send everything packets to the mail and then
we would go every six months and spend like two
weeks together on campus. And for us at you know,

(04:42):
I was in my late twenties and then a lot
of the people there were in their early thirties. It
was like a chance to like re experience college. And
I think we became the mean girls.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I think we really Yeah, were you clapping at people?

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Listen to what? We would drink a lot, and we
would stay up late and we would talk literature. I mean,
it became literary disco. My podcast was two of my
friends from grad school, Todd Goldberg and Julia Pistel and
and I think the three of us in school. We
would not only talk books, we'd also talk shit about
the pretentiousness of a lot of our fellow students, be
the there's a lot of pretentiousness in an MFA writing program,

(05:16):
I mean, including I mean, if if you know, if
it's bad, if writer me, if you yes, Yeah, I
found the poet the poets insufferable at times. Yeah, I
was a fiction so we would we would talk shit
about the poets.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
You're the guy with water up to his neck looking
at the guy to his eyes, going, wow, that guy's drowning.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, Anyway, I think I think I could fit it
on a show like this.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Maybe, yeah, I would not.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Just yeah, it just makes me uncomfortable. Somebody needs to
throw a pie or drop I just but I just.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Think also like human maturity. You know, by the time
I hit my like mid thirties and like settled down
into like my identity, and I like the idea of
talking this much crap about other people like makes me
very uncomfortable, you know. I just I tend to avoid drama, right,
I me too. It's like that's the goal. It's like, Oh,
if somebody is one of those people that calls attention

(06:08):
to themselves or whatever, you don't hang out with that person.
That off, if there's always a fight at some get together,
you don't invite those people again.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, and that's obviously why they're doing it.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
But the other thing I realized as I was watching
it is if you took every single one of these
people and deage them to thirteen, the conversations would.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Be exactly the same.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's very minus the alcohol. I mean it
would be exactly the same. And again, it's not that
I don't like this show. I think I'm going to
have a problem with the whole genre just because it is.
It just makes me very uncomfortable. And again there's people
I like and people I don't.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Want to give in.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Man, you just got to like give into that part
of you just just to sign try this on. You
love Lindsey, Just just try it on, because like I
come to enjoy Lindsey, you know, love Lindsey. I actually
do like I actually, you know what, like throw some bombs.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Like you know who I love?

Speaker 3 (06:59):
You know who I love who I've now seen for
a grand total of three minutes.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
But I'm in is Sierra really?

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I loved her.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I thought she was.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
She came in and she was not only a breath
of fresh air, but it was like she was kind
of like saying.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Exactly, will you're looking at this all wrong.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
You're not looking for people that You're looking for people
that are bring the fireworks.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Oh that West guy or what is what's gonna throw
a drink?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
First? Obviously I want.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
I want West to throw the drink first, because his
beer coozy will soften the hit as his miller high
life hits you in the head.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
All right, let's get we get into it, Get into it.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Episode three begins with Amanda on a street corner waiting
for Sea Era and West to show up. And since
we know the drama is coming.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
It's exciting.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
She explains to them that she is moving out, that
she and Kyle are taking this not a real breakup,
but a separation. Not a real separation creating the separation
is what they say, is.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
So semantics to just file the paperwork. You're obviously not
gonna be together.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
I mean, my god. Amanda explains that Sierra is her
best friend whoa and the West was really there for
her over the summer flash with his hugs and oh,
by the way, every time they cut back to him,
and he's the guy like don't talk to her like
that are coming to give you a hug and give
you a kiss.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
This guy was so positioning himself to scoop her up
right from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
None of this was a mistake.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I totally disagree.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Oh bullshit, this guy knew exactly what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
No, you guys, exactly what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
You know what, what what I was watching with the
three of them. I'm not team Amanda or I'm not
saying to me that.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I'm just saying I was struck by how the three
of them very much.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Just seemed like three good friends having lunch.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I was like, she definitely seemed like that. That's the
whole point. If you seem like the guy changed man feeling.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
I gonna say, I was going to say, right you
you see the best in people, and it's nice, it's gorgeouing.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
So you think he's low key's sitting there going like,
now I can move my way in on Amanda.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Oh yes, yes, Well I think I don't even know
if it was that necessarily. I think he thought Kyle
is being horrible to Amanda. Everyone's gonna love Amanda. I
want everyone to love me, so I'm gonna be there
for Amanda. And he is diabolical, guys, he is he.

(09:35):
I swear to god, he is like to.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Described a decent prince. Come on, I think so you
think he's thinking now, here's my question.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Honestly, I honestly don't think he's thinking it through. I
don't think I and they you know, we'll get to
it in a second. But when they cut they interview
her in.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
May for her profession, she's gonna say, well, yes, of
course I had a crush on him. We were already
in an emotional affair and I was just looking to
bail on Kyle.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Of course you think that, I guess. I mean, I
just think, Yeah, I don't. I don't think she was
thinking about it. I don't.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Maybe she might not have been.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, definitely was.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
I agree, Well, yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
But here's my question. Do you tend to think that
about all guys? No?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I certainly don't him, because you.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Know, there's a whole school of thought that's like men
and women should can't be friends, and because somebody always
wants to sleep with somebody and it's usually a guy.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
No, I think that's that's total horseshit. That to me
is an insecure relationship or insecure man. You know, if
my wife wants to have guy friends, chances are I
know who these people are. I'm totally fine without her,
or she wouldn't be my wife, if you know, I
wouldn't be her husband.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
If it's like I.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Go out, there's times Danielle and I are going out
to dinner together because you're out with god knows who,
god knows where in Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
And Daniel, those friends that are girls that I want
to have sexual but that you can't just be friends.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I don't know what you're talking about exactly.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
No, I just I know you can. If you're sick
here in your relationship, then you can be friends with anybody.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
I honestly like I got such friendship vibes from the
three of them. It actually made me sadder because I
was like, oh, this actually was kind of a nice
situation that that goes back nine years that is ruined
by this love triangle shit.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
I don't disagree with that. No, I don't disagree with that.
And I think for two of them, that is completely
the deal. I think this guy saw it. He I
think is a crush on her.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I do assume the best of most people, So I'm like,
and the fact that they were being so kind of
you know whatever, I do.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Want to say, just posing the question, Like you see
Sierra when he and we're going to get to this
in just a second, but you can see how like
happy she is when he puts his jacket around her, like, yeah,
so obvious that she has the biggest crush on him.
He knows that, and he threw her to the curb.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
And wait a minute, I thought at this point they
had already dated and broken up.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Correct, But then over the summer they made out again.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
See it, it's grow right.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
And so it's just one of those things where it's
like he knew so like it was very clear to me.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Now, wait, Maddie, I have a question for you, which
maybe you know if it's like we we've talked about
it in an episode before. I if this love triangle
is so integral to the story, why weren't these two
people asked to be regulars on In the City.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Well, because In the City started taping before, like before
the love triangle started. Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
No, I'm just wondering because it seems like everybody else,
like from Summer House, some people made it and some
people didn't. Oh right, And if Sierra and West are
so important now to what's going on and in the City,
why aren't they regulars on the show?

Speaker 4 (12:42):
So I think their idea was like, let's kind of
take the older people that were on Summerhouse and put
them on in the city, and then the people that
are still like a little bit younger so maybe want
to party or whatever, can stay on Summerhouse to keep
it alive, so that you're like, oh, share.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Wester are a little younger child.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
They're still yeah, exactly sure.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
And Kyle and Kyle and Amanda aren't going back to
Summerhouse then they won't.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
They won't be gotcha.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yep, So they're just staying on in the city. But
I agree with you. I think since they are so
integral now into like On in the City and their
storyline and everything, they will probably be like in future seasons. Yeah,
but I think they wanted to kind of separate the
two shows a little bit, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Oh yeah, all right, they sit down for Caesar salad, pizza,
and lobster pasta. I'm glad we get to hear all
their order, all their food, and then the whole show
goes off the rails into green screen land. Yeah, like
the background glitches out, matrix, matrix it what is going on?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
So am I am?

Speaker 1 (13:46):
I correct in understanding that they put a couch in
front of a green screen and that whole apartment is fake.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yes, what I know that you figured they all just
went to the same apartment and the head interview is
the visual story that's.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Being here is that the world is literally becoming a simulation.
It goes back to Baudriard, which I brought up in
the first episode. It's a simulacer man, it's all It's
like the is going on.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
It melted my mind.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
I was like, wait, so their apartments aren't real, their
confessions are set in a fake world. We don't even
know what dated is that these confessions are coming from.
And then the producer broke the fourth wall. We can
hear her ask them questions.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
By the way, becauld be that the whole time?

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Well, yes, because the producer is us, the producer is
is the audience going, wait a second, hang on, because.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
The whole reality show should be a reality crew following
the producers trying to create the reality show.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yea, that would be, because there's so many questions about
this episode two where it's like did they set that up?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
There was a very good TV show I forget what
channel was on. I think it was called Just Reality,
and it was about the reality show producers behind like
a bachelorette style show. I only watched a couple episodes.
Oh it's oh excellent. I think it's reality right now.
That's you're talking unreal, unreal.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Thank you. So my friend the Zimmer was the star
of that show. Oh my god, she's so good.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, we get Transformers together for four care that show
is great, like because that was basically this, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
It was nuts watching that show too.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, crazy, all right, I just thought this was bonkers
that the whole show melts down to like break the
fourth wall. Tells us the date and the producer asks
if she had a crush on West during the scene,
and she is that no, they were just friends who
helped her get through this weird time in her life.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Weird weird moment.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Guys. Back in the scene, she tells them that she's
moving out. They're not legally separated or divorcing. West is
curious about what Kyle thinks. We get a flashback to
Sierra and West talking about Kyle's feelings on the beach,
and Wes asks a valid question, which is in therapy,

(15:50):
have you ever said, hey, Kyle, you need to stop
your behavior drinking too much essentially, or I'm going to
leave you and Amanda says, yes, which is interesting to
hear because that hasn't that actually out that much.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
And it seems like it should.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
It seems like this guy, if this guy is truly
a raging alcoholic, that's yeah, a big thing, right, And.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
That's what they all kind of say, because then you know,
Wes is like, he's not chilling out, he's not stopping.
This behavior isn't changing. He's forty three and Sierra, you know,
they're all which is like, kind of, I don't know.
It's been interesting because all of this talk about the
drama between Amanda and Kyle hasn't really touched upon that.
It's just been like, what are we doing? Are we
big things?

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Forty three?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
You're drunk all night, you're coming at home, coming back
home at eight am, like that chat on me and
you're cheating on you. Yeah, it's it's it seems like, yeah,
it's just.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Seems like an important thing.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Maybe yeah, hell, yes it does.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
All right. So Sierra asks her directly, does she even
want to be married? Amanda says she doesn't know, and
then see her points out that they didn't sign a
pre nup and asks where they're at with their company
lover Boy cut to Kyle during a lover Boy meeting
with the entire Lover Boy staff on a zoom, and
I'm fascinated by these poor people. Can you imagine working

(17:18):
for a company knowing that your CEO and his wife
are going to be all over the tabloids constantly for
a reality show that they are filming, and.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
They probably love it because they're probably like, think of
what this will do for a product?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Maybe, Yeah, that's actually a good point. I just like
the woman Dylan who's in the room. Oh yeah, She's like,
hy do I need to be looking for their.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
Job, not a reality show star. I'm literally working for
lover Boys elsewhere at this point. And He's like not
even able to give her an answer. It's like, well,
I can't tell you to not look for another job,
but I put my blood, sweat and tears and my marriage.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Into this company. And I was just like, oh, I
feel for all those people on the zoom and Dylan
I was like, that's a rough position.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
And it's alcoholic seltzer and merch.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yes, gotcha. So back with West and Sierra and Amanda,
the conversation, they say, if love her boy comes out
in the negative that Amanda could still be liable, yeah,
which Amanda says she doesn't want to think about that
and if she starts thinking about these things too much,
she'll cry. And my takeaway was maybe she's started thinking about.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
This is that Well, that's why Sierra was like, wow,
that's a really naive way to look. She's like, I
don't think Kyle would do that to me. She's like, wow,
that's really naive. And it's like, I love you, Siarah,
I love you. You're You're the best one ever. So yeah,
I think she's she's being very level headed and like,
now I'm curious question for you. This is the first
time we're seeing this guy. What are your first impressions
of this dude?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
West? Yeah, I don't mind him, That's what I mean. Like,
I'm I was.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Like, like the way that the three of them like
hold hands and they're like supportive, and like the things
that he's like asking about Kyle's feelings, considering Kyle's feelings,
like it seemed like a really like as actually one
of the healthier conversations I've seen, like between the three
of them, there's actually a lack of conflict in this seat.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
So here's my question then, because I don't disagree with
you now, Maddie, if if we had watched Summer House
for the ten years or however long this guy's been on,
would we have a different feeling of this guy or
is he is this West?

Speaker 4 (19:25):
This is West?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (19:27):
So he is insanely likable. He's great, except he's putting
on that persona on purpose because he knows what people
want to see, and that is what kind of broke
down in part two of the Summerhouse Reunion. Even Lindsey said,
she was like, you know how to real people in

(19:48):
You know how to like turn on this switch, and
you do it perfectly. So it's like everyone did love
him until this. So it's really I get what you're saying,
writer and Will. He's very likeable, so it's tough, so strange.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
I think the biggest, most unlikable part of this entire
scene is the amount of parmesan cheese that they put
on their pizza. Don't get me start.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
What the hell is she doing?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
She just needs It's like sitting there, poor, poor, poor, poor,
poor poor.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
And I was like, Sierra, this is tough.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Is like a bit where somebody keeps pouring sugar in
their coffee until it like overflows.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
I was like, this is a comedy, bit right. I
was disgusted.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
I was like, it was also like one of fourteen
pizzas they eat in this episode.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
This is a pizza episode. Yeah, crazy. I don't trust
her for that reason.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
I don't trust her. I don't trust her. I trust West.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
He's not the one putting that much parmesan. You can
tell him like he's kind of looking down at her
while she's doing it, Like, what's why? Way they broke up?
All right, Sierra says that they are rooting for We're
rooting for you, Amanda. We are always rooting for you.
And uh yeah, I bet West is rooting for man. Yeah.
Again to Lindsey on a date with Frank, was.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
I right about? Did I call my god?

Speaker 1 (21:08):
What he's in the milk and dairy industry? We didn't
know what that meant? Could we? I want to know
what is your impression of what the hell his job is?

Speaker 3 (21:18):
I I don't he Well, he said, old school milk delivery.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
With muscle, good looking muscled guys. That's what it is.
It's the thunder from down Under with milk with milk.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yes, so what he started a company where he's like,
you want milk delivered deer house by hot men. We did?

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, By the way, this guy makes vanilla ice cream exciting.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
He's just sitting there listening to him.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Try to get through the conversation. And just like you
go to the gym.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Today, you jym today, you jim No, not today, yeah
me every day.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
He starts off. It's better. He starts with expressing his
insecurity about ordering rose because I'm so masculine.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I'm really normally a tough guy. But are you okay?
What the hell is up with this? I hope he's
on every episode.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Okay, But I mean, this is the thing that there
are certain foods and certain drinks that are coded as
masculine feminists.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Of course absurd, it's absurd.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
But I used to, like people used to mock me
being a vegetarian, question my masculinity on a regular basis.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I used to do the same thing.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Of course I would do the same thing.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
And of course even that's absurd.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
So yeah, it is, no, it is. But again, don't
bracket it. If you're gonna do it, just get a rose.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
You mind?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Do you mind? Lady?

Speaker 3 (22:42):
What makes you unmasculine is asking for permission from the date.
You just meant if it's okay if you have a
glass of wine. That's what makes you.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
It's like, do you think it's okay if me after
Jim gohead wine?

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Like truly comfortable in your sexuality and your your your
gender identity. Just do what I want to do and
don't worry about what glass of white. But oh this guy,
he was chef's kiss. He was everything I wanted. But
I do think it's so interesting, like with women especially,
they really like a lot, like because you know, I'll
drink whiskey and like women will never touch whiskey but

(23:16):
be totally fine drinking tequila. I'm like, tequila is actually
disgusting and do you know what I mean, like like
taste wise, but for some and it's really hard olcohol.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
There are both very hard alcohols.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
But for whatever reason, whiskey and scotch is coded as masculine,
so women, but women can order the mess call that's
like been okay. Mess call is again like super scotchy,
Like I have a hard time drinking that ship. Yeah,
I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I don't like it's but it's like it's intense.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
So as to me, I don't know if i'm I'm
I ride the line because I get vodka in the glass.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
That's that's it. That's right, that's it.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
So I don't know if that's masculine or feminine. I
think I'm riding the line. Frankly, vodka everybody, Yeah, because
vodka's it's a low calorie drink. So that's why it's
been popular.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Like I, I know that there was a period where
when Alex and I were first started dating, we would
drink vodka diet cokes, which we then found out were
called the skinny Bitch.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Which I like it. Okay, I like it anyway.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
All this talk about gender identity brought to mind the
problematic feminist Camille Paglia.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Do you know much about Camille Paglia. I know so
much about Camille Paglia, but I'm gonna let you describe it.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, Paglia has come back into my life. So my
first encounter with Kamille Paglia was in high school and
then a little bit in college. And so she went
to the same school high school in college.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Actually she might have gone to Columbia, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Where she went.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
But no, she was much older.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
But you know, when I read her back then, I
remember it being presented to me as she was like
a non feminist, anti feminist, this like this woman who
like rationalized male rape is biological, and like I had
all these negative ideas about her, and I probably only
read like one essay or an excerpt back in the day.

(25:04):
And then I was at a party. I was at
the best New Year's party this year, by the way,
the best New yearst party I've ever been to my life,
which is my friend. I didn't throw it. My friends
and my friends Natalie Ze and Travis Schultz are the
most amazing couple in the world. They are just They're
both actors. You've probably you've probably met both of them

(25:24):
at different times. If this's the one that performed the
skid at your wedding, they hosted the talent showed our wedding.
They are beautiful people, gorgeous and so freaking talented, both
of them. Travis was on Scrubs, Natalie was on Justified.
She's been she's always, She's been on TV for always,
on a series. She was on Librea was the last

(25:44):
big show. She's amazing they're they're both both so talented,
and they're such good friends. And they not only are
good friends to like me and Alex, but they also
cultivate friend groups better than almost anybody I know. So
their friend group is the coolest group of people. And
they have a New Year's tradition that goes back years
where they used to go before kids, they would all

(26:05):
rent a house together on this beach town, but now
it's like migrated to their house. So what they do
is they do a two day New Year's party, which
is the best way to do it. So you end
up having New Year's Eve together, then everybody goes home,
and then you come back the next day and you
have New Year's Brunch into New Year's Day evening together,
and everybody takes turn doing different meals, so like one

(26:26):
person is like he's like the rum and guy I
made pizzas the one. So everybody's bringing something, contributing something,
and it's like this rotating cast of awesome people and
great conversations. Anyway, there's also like a puzzle set out,
so like someone's always doing a puzzle. So it just
is the most relaxing gathering. And at one point I
was wandering through their house and found on their bookshelf

(26:48):
a copy of Sexual Persona, which is Kamille Paglia's most
famous work, her first work, And I pulled it down
off the shelf and found myself reading the first like
thirty pages of this book utterly enthralled. It is so
brilliantly written and so intense. I don't agree with everything,
but I think Camille Paglia is a fascinating thinker. And

(27:11):
like I had totally written her off because I sort
of thought of her as this like anti feminist, but
she's actually way more interesting beyond that. The way she
writes she it's like this manifesto style. She's very bold,
do you know what I mean? Like she's basically saying that,
like the reason that she's not loved by other feminists. Ye,

(27:31):
I don't even know if you could call her a
feminist is because she she says that like that nature
is chaotic, that the world is in like that by natural,
by like naturally biologically men and women are messes, and
that we are you know, that the whole world is
pretty chaotic and indifferent, and and that society is our

(27:53):
way to sort of control our impulses and to to
sort of like, you know, be better not to not
hurt one another, and which is different Like a lot
of feminists, strains of feminists are constructivists, right, Like they
believe that that that the problem like for women, the

(28:13):
reason that women have been is because society has kept
them down right, that like, the social structures have told
them to be wives or to not have jobs or
you know. And she sort of takes the opposite of
you that society is actually a force for good against
a natural biology. So she's more essentialist. She sort of

(28:34):
says that, like, you know, men are kind of awful
and power hungry, and women are also kind of chaotic,
and sex is naturally pretty deregulated and not great for
either groups of people, like sex is awful for men
and humiliating and sex and a drive that they can't control.
So anyway, super interesting. Highly recommend if no one, If

(28:57):
no one has read, Like, if you've heard about Camille
Pagley and you're a feminist out there, I would try
reading her actual book.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I have been loving it.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
I don't agree with everything, obviously, but it is fascinating
and it is so fun to read somebody being so
bold because I feel like so many philosophers and so
many theorists, especially unfortunately, like theorists since like the nineties,
are just not that exciting to read.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Because no one doesn't people don't want to say the
wrong thing anymore.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Exactly. That's truly the way I feel.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
And I feel like I'm impressed by her boldness, and
it's part of the reason like I'm attracted to it
now is because I feel like, especially in academia and
in philosophy, exactly what you're saying, so many people have
been too scared to offend anybody that they don't take
a bold stance, and they do it philosophy, Yeah, and
they talk around what they're saying, or they they sort

(29:47):
of just repeat what But when you go back to
like the sixties and like through the early nineties, like
people wrote really crazy takes on things, and they really
they're fun to read and exciting and they make they've
sharpened the way you think about things. So like I've
had more good conversations about feminism with my wife and

(30:08):
other people since rereading Camille Paglia than I did like
last year, do you know what I mean? Because she
excited my brain again so highly recommend.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, just curiously, what year was that book written?

Speaker 1 (30:20):
That's a good question. I think the eighties. Okay, no, god,
it might have been even earlier. She you know, I
think it was this, uh nineteen ninety wow, okay, all right, yeah, yeah,
she's a really interesting interesting Is she still around? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, and still very controversial. We have to get her
on the pod.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
And see what she thinks about in the city. See
if she's team Amanda.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I would love it.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
I would love it, all right, that was our philosophy, brave.
All right, So Lindsay orders a martini, he gets his
glass of rose, and then he asked this, like, you

(31:08):
brought up this very important questions you do today?

Speaker 2 (31:11):
You work out? You work out? And she answers, I
have a baby.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
And he goes, yeah, so you're working on your biceps
picking up your baby. And then she's he's the follow up,
did you work out today?

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Which is what he was waiting for. Of course I
do every day, every day, every day.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm frank every day.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I love though, how she talks basically.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
To the fact that she doesn't care, doesn't care. He's
he's a warm dildo.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
This point, and.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Her line is I I want to have fun. He
he haha.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Then Kiki at home is the lie. I was like
Kiki at home that you just want to get.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
She wants to get back to those hard palpamations.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
She asked some about as company, which he explains, is this.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Milk deliver as they're delivering. I have so many questions.
My first response is, well, this is it's what gay
men would order, right, Like I guess, I guess housewives
you want to you know, hey, the milkman was there's
like a remember there was that connotation like the milkman's delivering.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
So I don't know if it's that's what it is.
Is he a jigglow, He's a milk a low.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Is what he is? I mean, I just I feel
like that's something that women would order in groups as
like a joke, right, Like the same way that you
get the Milkman's coming, but like for somebody on like
a weekly basis to subscribe to like hot milk guy delivery.
And that's just we got to figure out exactly what's

(32:48):
going on there.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
I wonder if we could look this up, he could
be a good source of calcium and dick.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
She asks him, Oh, and then he has this weird
line about it. Who likes to say he got his
master's in the streets.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Oh yeah, well he doesn't get it. And she's like,
how is it in the sheets?

Speaker 1 (33:07):
And he's like, yeah, I're pretty good, pretty good. I'm
just like, oh, She's like Levanter is not there, but
he's hot, real man, he's so manly.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
He runs the emotional gamut from A to slightly more A. This.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
You know, it's interesting with all this talk about like
rose not like being masculine, Like it is funny. My
wife finds people drinking milk disgusting milk. I mean, I
enjoy like milk is delicious. I don't drink it on
but like I can tell that my wife is literally
repulsed by me. If she caught me drinking a glass
of milk?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Is it just the glass of milk? Like what about
milk and cereal? Is she okay with that?

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah? I think she's okay with that. But the idea
of like somebody sitting down and drinking a glass of
milk she finds repulsive.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Like cookie, do you need? Do you need an nessy accessory?

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Does it make it better?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
I don't know, but I know that my.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Wife would like literally leave me and like, like I
would not have sex for a week if she caught
me drinking milk. Drinking milk, Oh my gosh, I'll have
rose all day.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
She's fine with me with rose, but I go to.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Skim Yeah interesting, right, yeah, yeah, it's a weird thing
for her.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
I never thought about it until I started dating her,
and then she's like, ugh, you're gonna drink that milk,
get right from.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
The cow's tea.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
I love it so much. You have no idea, like,
you know. The thing for me is that I grew
up my family was vegetarian and also like never had dairy,
so we would have the only milk in our house
was powdered non fat instant milk.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh my god, what what are these war rations? What
do you want exactly? My mom would keep it.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
In packets, like in bags, and it was blue greenish
blue when you made it and you added water to it.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
So I and we only had margarine.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
So I always thought all dairy products were just like
just disgusting, like the idea of milk. So when I
disc her whole milk as an adult and like, drinking
like whole milk is incredible, delicious.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, I would have one cow's teat in my mouth
and I'd be grabbing the other two and spraying myself.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Oh yeah, oh yes, I love it all right. Yvonne
and Georgina pushing a stroller. Georgina has her two kids.
Yvonne is shocked to discover the stroller costs twenty five
hundred dollars and then she says, like that could be
some kind of bag. I don't know what bag she mentions,
but so differences in priorities, differences in priorities here. But

(35:34):
these two are our friends.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Georgina seems to have it together. She seems to kind
of have her shit together quite a bit. Yeah, she's
she's also single parenting. Yeah, she's single parenting. This is
the one who has been left right when she was
like seven months pregnant.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, just lame.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
And she describes Yvonne as a lovable airhead, which seems
maybe accurate, and they talk about, you know, Yvonne asks
her about what it was like being pregnant. Georgina says
the hardest part was going up and down subways, and
then she has this line. She goes, there's never a
good time to have kids. You just got to do it,
which I totally agree with. It's something like my mom.
I remember my mom saying it's like, if you wait

(36:10):
around to plan for the right time to have kids,
you will never do it. And I totally think that's true.
Just take the plunge if you can't. Yvonne describes her family,
which is huge. Her dad is one of seven, her
mom is one of like eight or something. She starts
naming all our aunts. And we're at Kenny's apartment in
No Ho, Whitney's stuff is arriving. This is nuts. Yeah,

(36:34):
this is nuts. I mean, this is truly nuts though, But.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I mean, is it I mean, it's her life, she's moving.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Her life's not get it, but the sheer amount of shit.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Where are you going to put everything? I mean, you've
got to.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Understand you're moving into a place where this is where
it's like. No, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna
unt a storage unit. I'll take care of the cost
for the storage unit. We're going to go through the
boxes that you need that are absolutely essential. Then we're
going to store some stuff until we figure out what's next.
You can't just have already boxes delivered to your apartment.
It's like, come on, what are we supposed to do
with all this stuff?

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Right?

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I mean, what's interesting because none of it's furniture, right,
So she just want her stuff just moved her like
her clothing. Essentially, it seems like it's mostly close and
make up, clothing, makeup and shoes, wooden balls and wooden balls.
Yeah yeah, well but you know, but Kenny can't say
shit because he collects crystals. Like when he got on
his like crystal thing, I was.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Like, I felt the same way, you know, I felt
the same.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
He's got a good style, Like his place looks amazing,
it's gorgeous. So like I understand, and I'm but I'm
anti stuff, like I don't want a lot of things
I don't like, you know, like I my wife is
fine with stuff everywhere, and I'm always.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Like, just throw it away, get rid of it.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
And but Kenny, you know, I don't think he has
a leg to stand on because he collects crystals and
seems to have a lot of stuff himself.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Again guesses on how much that apartment is a month.
That's got to be you think that one's only eight
The the size of that apartment. I figured that's like
a twelve to fifteen.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Thousand dollars apartment. I mean that Wow, I.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Mean that's look, it's huge.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
It's two bedrooms, right, yes, so they have a guest bedroom.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
That huge kitchen and all that.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
That's a big ass place in Manhattan. God, you're right.
You wonder where it is in Manhattan. They probably say,
I just yeah, yeah, that's that's well. No ho, no,
who isn't that what they said? I thank god?

Speaker 3 (38:21):
But that's yeah, he's obviously done very well for himself.
So it's I mean, that guy's got a lot. And
also as a man who was lived the bachelor life
for like ten years, and especially when I was going
through my anxiety, it was like I didn't date around.
I was just by myself for seven of those years.
To then have my wife move into me, move in
with me, it's a big it's a big move because

(38:42):
you're like all the stuff that I'm used to, and
you got to make concessions where it's just like, Okay, no,
you gotta yeah, you gotta put your thing here.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I get that. You gotta.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
It can't just be my house that now you live in.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
It's got to be our home, So I get, yeah,
that's overwhelming and that, but I mean that is kind
of what the scene becomes. They're going through all the boxes,
he kind of teasing her about her things, and she
starts to cry. He hugs her. She asks him to
be nicer, saying, you do have to like all my stuff,
but you can be nicer about it, which is fair.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
But I also hope they cut some stuff out because
he didn't. He said everything tongue in cheek and the
stuff he said wasn't cry worthy.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Well, she actually cries when he made the thing about
how she needs friends to help her. Yeah, it seems
like that's more of the thing that makes her that
like she does. She doesn't have friends, and that seems
that she moved for us of the episode and the
series so far is that she's taking.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
I know nothing of this man, nothing of this man
other than what the audience knows, and it seems like
a big risk to move your whole life for this dude.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Really, yeah, really, this.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Just seems like he seems like we talked about the
boy and the party animal and it's like that. It
just seems Yeah, and again I hope he proves me wrong.
But it's there's something shifty about this dude.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I mean, that's the cliffhanger of this episode. Yeah, but
I actually I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, I don't. I don't get bad vibes.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
I'm like, OK, god, maybe I'm just too I see
the good and too many people like I see goode,
I see good.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, Like I don't think. I mean Frank is Frank
Is that his name?

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Oh, Frank's the best.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
He's the I don't think he's a bad person.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
No, I don't either.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
I would probably dislike the most in real life.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Oh see, I think he's the best.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
You just he's the guy who walks down the street
no matter what he would or his mental thing is just.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Like, oh my god, I would say.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Gavin strikes me as slightly shady. Gay's probably the guy
that I would get along with, but be a little like,
I don't know if I would trust this guy, Like.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
It's so funny.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
I just feel like I get the vibe of both
Kyle and what's his name?

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Then you got Kenny?

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Can both Kyle and Kenny strike me as the well?

Speaker 3 (40:49):
And I could be totally wrong, one hundred percent wrong,
but well, now where I am in my life and
in my business and everything, I need a wife. Yes,
so I'm going to find a super hot one, but
I'm also still gonnack around if I need to funk around.
That's how that's the vibe that I have from both
of those dudes, where it's like it's almost like another object.
She's stunning, she can speak.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
But that's the thing I have a problem with the
first part of that. I mean, obviously I have a
problem the second part looking around, like and I don't
get those vibes actually from like necessarily I don't want
to make that, but I just I am immediately like
why is there so much pressure to like have a
wife and to like have her be you know, it's
like the arm candy factor, the sort of like it's
just the status thing that fucks me, you know. But
the women are also playing that status of course, and

(41:32):
it's like it just doesn't seem to be a recue
for super healthy relationships in generals, like nobody's nobody's dating
for love.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Here it doesn't seem like well, maybe one or two
the woman who's trying to have a baby, but it
doesn't seem like her husband's into it. But Nicki and
Ivon they seem like they might be happier than the
other couples, but we barely see them.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
I know. But he strikes me as kind of a
straight shooter too. Yeah, but he's also the least he's
had the least scream time. Of all he's the least interesting,
probably because drama, right, and you just avoids the drama,
all right. Then Lindsey goes to meet Danielle. It's finally
happening to sit down. We've been waiting for since episode one.
She says, sorry, I'm so late, of course, all right.

(42:15):
Then the show cuts to the text message that got
them here. I freeze framed and read it so you
don't have to. Hey, I wanted to reach out to
see if you wanted to get that coffee slash drink sometime.
From what I gather from other people is that there
was more I said that upset you from s H nine,
which I'm assuming means Summer House Nuns.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
So they're talking and then she listened to this.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
She says that it came across that I was judging
you for being a single mom parentheses. I never watched it,
and that's on me and parentheses. I understand why you
were so cold to me and would like the opportunity
to apologize. I hope you know that I would never
want to portray a single mom slash friend of mine
like that, especially giving anyway, I was like, wow, so
she doesn't actually Danielle doesn't watch the show, and it

(42:59):
seems like Lindsay does.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
And it was super I was just found.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
It interesting that she was like basically keep breaking the
fourth wall and being like, hey, I didn't watch the show,
and I see that some of the clips from what
I said came.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
So it was I think thirty years from now, they
should do a rewatch podcast yes, where she hasn't seen.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
The show and so she's gonna watch. Yeah, it worked
for us. And then the producer asked me, what made
you say yes to meeting up with Danielle, and Lindsay says,
I will always say yes. Cut to two weeks ago
and it can I think about it? Can I think
of all? Right? Lindsay orders a mimosa shocker, Well it's not,
it's nine, but she does it in case this goes south,

(43:37):
and Danielle starts a conversation by saying, I heard that
you were hurt and felt judged by me. It's basically
what she said in text message, and Lindsay says, no,
that's not it. Basically there's always something every year. And
she begins to catalog the moments.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
And I'll bet you get producers hated this scene.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
What because she just kept saying, no, you're and I'm sorry,
like she didn't, she's not fighting, she's not getting well,
I didn't I said this and you said this.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
She's like, no, you're right.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
If I said something, that's awful and you can't have
a show that sustains with one person admitting they were
wrong and asking for forgiveness, like, no, you're one hundred
percent right.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
If that's the way it came off of, that is
totally on me.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
And you could tell that Lindsay was like ready to go,
like here we go, and then she's like she just
gave her nowhere to go.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
She's like, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
It was awful of me. We finally get the infamous
uber hand drop conversation, which we've all been waiting for. Yeah,
and daniellis, I don't think I did that.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
Though she can't.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
I don't think I did that, and then in the
flashbacks you see Kyle describe it and he's like, going,
think it was over the over the parts or under
the parts?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
What really happened?

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Thirteen year old conversation? This is what did you hear that?
Johnny in the playground? It's the thirteen year old conversation.
Three friends hearing one other friend touch somebody's boob and
this is a show, and so it was.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
It was like, oh my god, yoo, yes, apologize. But
then interconfessional she says, except I'm usually right about the
things I say, which I was like, Danielle, you're doing
it again, and that's why she's like, next season exactly.
But if you say it to the camera, you don't
watch the show. But Lindsay clearly does. She's gonna see
that clip and you're going to restart drama. So just

(45:20):
keep your mouth shutt and don't go on television. They
agree to move forward positively in baby steps, and then
we get a big group boozy brunch Lindsay and Danielle
walking together.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Everyone's shocked.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Amanda asked for their relationship status. They say that they've
apologized and moved forward, but then Kyle Well says if
she got an apology, then could we get an apology
for Amanda. It's just like fishing for drama, bro, And
that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
It's everybody's just trying to let's just get together, have
a couple of drinks and fight.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
That's the whole show.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
He tells Danielle that he thought she was being incredibly
dismissive and conscending there's no actual beef between them. Danielle
says Amanda is just jumping on the Danielle bashing bandwagon.
Flashback to you during Whitney's Welcome to New York party,
a conversation that we did not get to see from
this episode, where in Amanda and Danielle do get into

(46:17):
it a little bit. Kenny points out that Lindsey has
her girls, and Nick jumps in with, don't you mean
the midions? Flashback to Kenny listing off the minions, Amanda, Georgina, Yvonne.
Back in the present, Nick is like, you know, let's
not call the minions because every woman has her own opinion,

(46:37):
so categorizing them as minions as bullshit, which I was like, yeah,
we'll put nick, but.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
It's also why would you tell your friends anything, if
they're going to turn around and tell everybody else about this,
It's like I was at we were at boys' night,
quote unquote, I told you this in confidence, and now
you're putting me on blast in front of everybody at dinner, Like, really,
just don't say anything of these people. They are not
your friends. Anything you say going to get out to
everybody else is just keep your mouth shut with everything that.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Is true that does seem to be like the golden
rule of being on a Bravo show is that if
you say something to somebody, it will inevitably get passed around.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, everybody. Yeah, And my guess is, and here's the thing.
My guess is if they don't hear it from another character,
they hear it from the producers.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, yeah, Because I mean that's
what this whole episode ends on, is the spark conversation
going through the game of telephone all the way back around.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Which again talking to one of your best friends, and
will get to that, but talking to one of your
best friends about saying, like, I really like this girl,
I'm just not sure that she I have that feeling
if she's the one that's a very real, genuine kind
of conversation you're having now at the same time, you're
saying it in front of a camera, so eventually she's
going to see that herself.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
But that's the whole weirdness about it.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Also, I just don't think it's that big of a deal,
but Kyle makes it a big deal by telling everybody
I agree, which is what I'm sure what next episode
is going to be. All of course it's gonna be
called the Spark, right, So now Lindsey gets very upset

(48:18):
and says, these aren't my minions.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
These are my friends. Don't you know what friends are?

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Kyle thinks it's a mean girl or Kenny thinks it's
a mean girl crew and asks her, are you on glue?
Right now?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Great? Great, are also on glue?

Speaker 1 (48:33):
But it's also the worst, Like what she's clearly just drinking,
like everybody.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Is also standing up and clapping her hands together, and
you're not listening to me, and it's like, whoa stop
puffing peyt in front of me.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
I know, but calling somebody crazy or telling them to
calm down is like the worst thing you can do.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Like, but she was crazy and needed to calm down,
But you could you don't have, but you don't have
to say to that person like it's not gonna happen.
Exact same thing would have been, like, do you think
yelling and clapping her hands together is helping you make
a point?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Sit down, take a breath.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Asking that first question would have been enough, because it's
not helping.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
This is where I was like, because I liked her
up to this point where I was like, Oh, I'm
kind of digging her vibe this episode Lindsay and I
was like, oh, okay, there's Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
And it's like, Nope, not not my cup of tea.
Like she's entertaining.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Very true energy is certainly entertaining.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I will say that Nick asks Whitney what she thinks,
which does seem like the appropriate thing to do. Whitney
starts to cry. Whitney cry number two. Do you think
Whitney's a big crier?

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Like one of the seems like But I also feel
for too. She moved her whole life away and is
now has cameras in her face the whole time. But
she was also on the Bachelor, which makes me think
this is all she's wanted is to have cameras.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
In her face. Yes, In her confessional, she talks about
being not used to this kind of cattiness. Then maybe
you shouldn't be on in the city and yeah. And
then Kenny's confession, he talks about how one day the
minions are going to revolt.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
It's such brilliant foreshadowing because you know it's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
You know it's going to happen. At the table, everyone
starts chanting minion or opinions, non minions. It's great, and
then offer to do a shot. Kyle stoked on that.
Can you believe it? Do you see how I was like, yeah, yes,
let's do a shot.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Let's take a shot.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Every time somebody says the it's.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Like okay, okay Kyle, and we get Whitney, Georgina, and
Lexi at the park. This scene bummed me out because
this is where they asked about how the move is going,
and the we get the flashback to how Kenny came
home to a closet expert a couple of days ago.
That's you walk awkwardly.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Now here's my question. But here's my question. This is
what I was talking about. When it comes to reality shows.
Do you think Whitney and her friends came up with
that idea or do you think the producer said, here's
what we're going to do. We're going to have Kenny
come home and there's going to be a closet expert
that you are, and they're like, oh, hey, let's let's
do that.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Like, which one do you think it is? If you
had to take a guest.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Do you think that's set up by the show in
some way or do you think she's like, I'm just
gonna see if I can have the closet Expand.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I think she just did it because I'm talking about
this a lot. Yeah, And it obviously became like because
you know, even at the brunch, didn't like Lindsay says
or somebody says, like let her.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Have a closet.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, I'm curious.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
That's what I was thinking, Like, Man, I wonder if
they set that up or if if she said that up.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Do you think she really wants a closet? Oh?

Speaker 3 (51:29):
I do too, But then why not go to him
and be like, hey, I'm calling a closet expert. I like,
I'm to come in and check things out, as opposed
to's sneaking somebody in. It just seemed like a little
bit like they wanted, and he comes home exactly at
the right time to catch the closet guy there.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
While the film crew is there. Yeah, it just seems
like maybe it was set up. Yeah. Well, then Lexi
decides to tell Whitney that Andrea heard something from Kyle
and he said he's unsure there's a spark.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
And I was like, Lexi, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, like this is where it's like she's and she's saying, like,
this is not something I wanted to tell you. And
then we get these flashbacks all the multiple people discussing
whether there's a spark or not.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Telephone and all these flashbacks.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
It's not Kenny, it's Kyle spreading the story to everybody.
Kenny said it once to Kyle in a very personal,
like you know, just moment about like yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
He didn't he did not say I don't feel spark
with her, and I just don't feel spark with her.
He's like working through his feelings of now living with
the woman who's come all the way across town.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Now he's got other people being like, you better put
a ring on it.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
And then and then Lexi uses brings up the word murky,
which is not.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
No, and said no, not at all.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I'm like, I feel like like Lexi is just she's
doing this under the guys of being a good friend,
but she's just spreading rumors.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
And their rumors coming from Kyle. And remember he did
this last episode. Was like, I don't want to say
she called you a slut. Yes, but and so I
think this guy's just this is what he does.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Yes, yes, yeah, And I think the producers are applying
with alcohol yep, and just sending it, winding them up,
giving me some shots. And then Kyle, maybe you should
go talk to so and so about the thing you heard.
Maybe you should go talk to so and so. All right,
Whitney starts to cry third time, third time this episode.
It does suck for her. It's big, it's a big deal.

(53:20):
Then we cut to Amanda and Kyle on the street
and their lover boy merch sweatshirts matching. Don't understand these
people dress very well. Otherwise, why is their own company
where it's so freaking bad?

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Then we find out they're doing a tie in with
some clothing company. Wow, big mistake, guys, this company is
not doing you any favors.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
No, no, not my fave, not my fave clothes.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Amanda talks about how many times she's had to show
up for events when they're in a bad place in
their relationship. She seems like they're always in a bad place. Yeah,
were you ever in a good place? And then Amanda
drops a bomb that she's found an apartment, but it's
a one year.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
It's a sixteen year least, so you're still together.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Still together, right, And then Kyle says, come on, I
know I'm I'm supposed to.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
I feel like I want to fight for you.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
But the whole idea of separating, and then she corrects
it to creating a separation.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
I'm like, guys, just divorce, breakup? Say what this needs? Breakups?

Speaker 1 (54:21):
To break up? Paper cut like severance thing that's so
painful to watch.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
It's like episode they're just cutting.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
It's like slicinging a little little, little, little tiny paper,
cut deeper, deeper. It's like, just cut your arm off, right,
You've got to do it. You're done. Break up. And
they say, for the purpose of today's podcast, which they
are going to do a podcast, let's keep all our
private matters private, which they say in front of a
reality crew following a TV show course and they start

(54:52):
the podcast, which is called blizz Lie. Cut you. Kenny
and Whitney at dinner. She says, had a crazy week.
Kenny says, what's so crazy?

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Cut back to the Boys Live podcast where.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
They just happen to be talking about losing the spark
in a relationship, and Kyle says, well, and the spark's
not there, it's your relationship. You start looking elsewhere.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Kyle on a podcast, Kyle, you know other people are
listening to this.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Right bag of dinner, Whitney brings up that Kyle said,
you didn't have you You don't think there's a spark here,
And on Kenny's face, I think Kenny's going to be
really really pissed at his friend. Kyle. I think he
absolutely should be. Yeah, we just keep your mouth shut.

(55:40):
You're my boy, dude. When you're expressing misgivings about your
relationship to a friend, like that's pretty sacred to me.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yep, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (55:52):
First of all, if you're doing that like that, you know,
because it's not something that I do that often. But
if I do open up, it's like, here's what's going
on my relationship, Like I definitely do not like I'm
maybe I expect that that person to maybe probably maybe
discuss it with their wife, their partner, you know what
I mean. Like I could see that that, Yeah, there's

(56:15):
kind of an assumption like, hey, you can't tell anybody,
gonna tell our friend group, right, Oh, I hear writer
and Alex are having troubles with blah blah blah or
writers really upset the way Alex has such and such.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
I would tell Susan awful and then it wouldn't leave
the house.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Basically, Yeah, I think I would assume that if I
open up course, I kind of assume that it's going
to your wife. I would pretty much feel like that's
the only.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Time that would not happen because I've known you for
thirty five years. If you looked at me and said,
this is just between you and me, please don't even
tell Susan and it was something not having nothing to
do with Sue and I it was just you, yes,
then I would on.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
You'd keep that trust one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
But I think I think I.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Assume if I tell you something is going, but if
it goes to another friend or something, especially a mutual
friend of ours, awful. That's awful. I agree, I agree
one hundred percent. That's that's lame. Yeah, so I think
I think Kenny's got a very good reason to to
just tell Kyle to keep his mouth shut and maybe,

(57:09):
uh maybe stop drinking a little bit.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Jeez, it seems pretty bad. Was it a Maddie Yes,
has he was? Was it ten years of summerhouse of
this guy just boozing?

Speaker 4 (57:23):
Oh yeah the whole time. He doesn't he doesn't stop. Yeah, j.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Hej drinks a lot.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Yea drink drinks a lot. I wouldn't say he's horrible,
but he's just kind of like, you know, just a
random reality star that tried something new, you know, right right,
but he is. I mean, yeah, for forty three and
he stayed the night at a fans house and he's
did I oh my god, there are.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Things stayed the night at a fans house.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
What I thought that this was discussed on in the city.

Speaker 6 (57:54):
But yeah, he he basically DJed like all night and
then I guess him and his brother went back to
a fans house and he fell asleep there until like
four in the morning and got back at six am.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
So it's like, I do see the kid's not okay. Yeah, no, okay,
it's not okay, So he'd he's not the best guy
flowing man.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
She might, yeah, but then when you leave your woman
to by yourself, that's when she starts ordering that milk,
and you just never know what's gonna happen, Maddie, Is
there anything we need to know from the Summerhouse reunions?

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Yes, but really quick, I did look up Manhattan Milk
Frank's Little Delivery service. So not only are they milk
and dairy, they are eggs, fresh roots, vegetables, and they
deliver it to local like coffee shops and homes. It
seems so bizarre. I was trying to read about it,

(58:53):
but it's they call it farm to table delivery service.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Do they say something about like muscular looking guys good?

Speaker 4 (59:02):
No, Actually they're just talking about how they do organic
and it's like from local farmers.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
We use orgasmic dairy.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
So okay, So okay, So he's worst door dash maybe
so maybe it's big.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Remember I picked up this shit. I think that was
the best.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Remember one night, seriously, no joke, I ordered a pack
of cigarettes and a pack of condoms.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
It was there in twenty minutes. That was it.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
That was the only thing we ordered, I mean picked out.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Is just now what we expect from door Dash and
all this stuff. You just order a sandwich. It was great.
Oh my god. There was another one when I moved
to New York in two thousand. There was a company.
I'm gonna I gotta figure out what, but it was
a company that they deliver movies to your door. I
ordered not only I ordered a freaking DVD player and
a set of DVDs and they delivered it to the house.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
That's what was the name.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Of the place.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
But you could order, Yeah, you could order CDs, DVDs
and VHS's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
To your house.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Oh my god, it's so cool. It went out of
business pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Yeah, Cosmo, Yes, Cosmo, Oh my god, I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
You know you were at Easter Easton's here, Cosmo.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Now, Pink Dot had the best sandwich called the Turkey Gobbler.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Was the greatest. Six bucks. I remember playing poker till
like four in the morning ordering Pink Dot. Yeh knows
how everybody got their cigarettes, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
They they and there was no minimum, so you could
like get a pack of gum.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
It was crazy and porn magazines. Yeah, you could order
porn magazine. I'm pretty sure that's what people did. It
was like and beer. It was like it was like
all the Yeah, and then they had sandwiches. Yeah, and
there was like late night that was the only thing
you could get sometimes turkey gobbler and a pack of camels.
Thank you, Pink Dot.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
We need to start what we were going to call
the Maddy Minute. Okay, Chiz, we'd like to know exactly
what we need to know. Can you give us the
highlights of the Summerhouse rental reunions or what's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Yes, absolutely, let's get into it. I kind of talked
before about how West is kind of made out to
be this guy who only cares what people think. So
he's kind of getting some heat on him now. He
had a whole girlfriend, Like throughout the whole Summerhouse season ten,
when he was making out with Sierra making out with

(01:01:33):
other girls, he had a girlfriend and he told her, yeah,
I'm going to get fired from my job because you're
not in the Bravo sphere, so I can't make you public.
But I love you and you're my girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
And so he is horrible.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Wow, Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
I know he's kind of living this double life, and
that's what everyone's saying, Like you are totally different in
your life than you are on the show. So that
puts it into perspective because he's so likable and it's
kind of scary maybe like psychopathic, like likable.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
On the streets exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Now you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Use it all the time. Yeah, but that was really
like West thing. Amanda was just kind of like smirking
and being smug and trying to defend herself.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Was and they're together still, Yeah, they're.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Still together, and she's like, basically West is Kyle two
point zero. He parties all the time, and so they're like,
you are talking about Kyle's behavior, like he's going out
and DJing and drinking all the time, but now you're
dating someone that's just like him, but like ten years younger.
Like it doesn't it's just it's just kind of ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Yeah, how's my girl Sierra doing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
I love her, She's she's incredible. She's so well spoken,
and she is making little jobs towards Amanda and West,
but I think rightfully. So she's like she's like, I Meananda,
you were you were my best friends. I never thought
we'd be having this conversation. And I was a great
friend to you. I called you when I saw Kyle
making out with someone like you were the I called

(01:03:10):
you first thing, and look at what you did to
me type of thing. So it's very it's sad for Sarah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
And then she still told her to Gough.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Yes, she still told her to GoF I know. And
then Kyle is he is not a good person either.
It's just called Amanda dumb assing bitch, like under his
breath during the summerhouse, so not at the reunion, but
during the summer house like filming of it all, he

(01:03:39):
called her that, and it's just like, Kyle, like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
That's your wife, dude, that's that's a bummer, because I mean,
my take on Kyle so far is just I don't
I don't want to be mean, but he's just not
that right, Yeah, he's just yeah, like you know, like
and but but that's you know, he's actually too yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Yeah, I think he's not emotionally intelligent. And when he
gets drunk and mad, he's like the type to just
oh my god, you guys, blah blah blah, and it's
just takes it to the next level. Not emotionally. Yeah, intelligent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Now, people do throw drinks at one another in these shows, right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
He did, Yes, Kyle did. He threw well, he threw
a drink at the house and it almost hit this
guy named Carl.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
It's just Carl's Lindsay's X.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Right, Yes, Carl is Lindsay's X.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Okay, so far we haven't had anybody storm out of
an event yet, no, but we saw previews for the
next one. Somebody storms out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
You think it's Andreas, looks like storms out?

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Oh, yes, and Amanda did. Amanda did leave. Amanda did
leave the reunion as well. She needed to take a break.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Okay, she probably hopefully she didn't meet anybody in the hallway,
all right, So Andrea is going to be the first
to leave, to storm out of all right, we'll see.
So yeah, I think so it was for previous for
the next one when.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Because I think Kenny can from Tim because it was
he was the one. Oh, he was having a photo
shoot with somebody and he said there's no spark and
that got back to Bobbo. So he confronts them and
that's when he's like, you are not tunking to a wall,
and he walks out.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Yes, that's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Yeah, wow, all right, wait I gotta drink for you please.
So the episode tonight should be sipped while well, well
we should be sipped, should be watched while sipping the
affair cocktail. Yes, the affair cocktail is two ounces of
strawberry schnapps. No, two ounces of orange juice, two ounces

(01:05:32):
of cranberry juice and club soda. Pour the schnops, orange
juice and cranberry juice over ice in a highball glass
and somebody who you're not married to?

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Is the affair cocktail? Say it again?

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Schnop strawberries, oounces of strawberry schnapps, two ounces of orange juice,
two ounces of cranberry juice, and club soda. That is
so sweet.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
That is like your sugar in a glass.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Ye black garb bourbon and a glass. That's it horrible,
but that is then you top it with club soda.
Did you ever? Did we ever drink doctor pepper poppers together?
What is it? Doctor pepper popper?

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
I love the name.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
It's I don't I don't know why it's called a
doctor pepper. It's the only schnapps I ever drank, which
you get root beer schnapps and you drop it into
a guinness. So you drop the shot into a guinness
and then you drink it. And what it does is
with the root beer schnapps with the beer, it's for
some reason tastes I guess enough like doctor pepper that

(01:06:28):
we called them doctor pepper poppers. I have not no,
Oh my god, in my apartment in LA when we
were on Boy, I remember that was like we we
like did that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Definitely at least.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Two or three parties we would be like doctor pepper poppers.
I thought maybe you would have been there for it,
all right. I don't think I've had one since then,
so nineteen ninety nine would have been the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Last time I had exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
It was like still when like gold Schlager made sense. Oh,
you know, like where you could just sip You're like
it has gold in it and it's a peppermint that's
like a schnapp. Know, you know you're at one of
those parties when at you know, twelve thirty night, somebody
says the word Jaegermeister.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
That's what you're like, Okay, I'm at a high school party.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Yagermeister. It has a unique flavor it's not a bad flavor.
It starts with a yegermeister.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
It's the ninth shot they take of the night when
they're already blacked out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Is like I had er meister.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Yeah, I just remember boots boot amber ale, no boot,
What was it? It's like a wine that girls used
to always drink in college, Southern Comfort.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Who drank so yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
So co my friend?

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Do you know that Janis Joplin drank so much Southern
Comfort on stage that she called the company and said,
I drink so much on stage that you owe me
a fur coat?

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
And they bought her a fur coat? Crazy? Can you
believe she died?

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
The chance the chances that an alcohol company is like,
you're right, we do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
We owe you a fur coat.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
I love her voice, me too, She's the best. All right,
you've been listening to pod meats twirl. The parties may end,
and the friendship may fracture, and the artisanal cocktails may
lose their garnish, but our deeply overqualified analysis of televised
social catastrophe will endure until next time. Trap your smoking