Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5004

Will and Rider are still castaways on Survivor 50 island, but has Rider been able to successfully convert Will into a die-hard fan of the show?

After recovering from the disappointing definition of a “tribe swap,” our hosts marvel at the overwhelming amount of Zac Brown this episode. But, the random cameo does remind Rider of his own spear fishing expedition that somehow ended in a shark attack. And Will reveals a true podcast exclusive: he bought Jonathan’s pants!

Plus, we hear Will and Rider share their thoughts on the big Bachelorette news, like the reality TV experts they are - on an all-new Pod Meets Twirl’d: Seeking Immunity!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to Bud meets Twirld, a podcast that once chronicled
two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars,
but watched a season and walked away experts. From there,
we ventured into Traders, a show I'd never seen, but
Will swore he could win, and now survivor season fifty,
the Big One, and this time the roles of reverse.
Will has seen exactly one season, the first one. Meanwhile,

(00:32):
I've watched for years. We are wilfrid L, who prefers
his wilderness with room service, and Right or Strong, who
will hike any mountain, but man, I hate the beach.
Two best friends, one devoted to the comforts of civilization
and one who would never leave the woods if he could.
Both reality competition scholars join us as we dive into alliances, blindsides,
fire making, sand related misery, and twenty five years of

(00:55):
television history culminating in a single massive season. This is
Pod meets Twirled Seeking Immunity.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's a lot, well, speaking of a lot, it's been
quite a day in the reality world, hasn't it, my friend?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's yeah, we should we should talk about the elephant.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
In the room.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, it's the piece the room, the easiest way to
just say it. We were all set. We had already
announced on the uh, the twitters and the Instagrams that
we were gonna fold actually double up our reality watching
and go right into The Bachelorette, because the fans have
demanded that we keep watching shows that we know nothing about,

(01:32):
or at least one of us in this case, neither
of us have ever seen a single episode of The
bachelorret and and yet they canceled the entire season, thank god.
Yeah it was and not without you know, by the
time ABC had canceled it, we had already decided to
pull our show. Yeah, after much back and forth and

(01:53):
handwringing and concern and not just don't have clarity in
these things. Yeah, it's tricky, but it seems like in
general she is not a very good person, and reality
shows that celebrate not great people are not cool.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
No, I agree, And it's yeah again, this is a
world that you and I know very little about reality,
and when you get into it, you forget that it's
these There's a reason it's called reality. Whether it's quote
unquote scripted reality or heavily produced reality. These are real people,
So real people come with lots of baggage. Some of
them it's a minimum amount of baggage, some of them

(02:31):
it's a kind of a disgusting amount of baggage. The
thing that is starting to come out more and more though,
is what the networks actually know about these people before
they still put them on the.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Air, or don't know right or don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
But in this case, it seems like ABC knew quite
a bit about this woman before they decided to pull
the trigger on what I think is their biggest franchise
by far. I think The Bachelor and the Bachelorette is
like their flagship show.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Well, I think we've talked about the you know, the
conversation I believe I had with an MTV executive years ago,
this guy I used to I used to be friends with,
telling me that like everything changed for the network when
Snooky got punched. That was the turning moment for that
was when MTV became a network that was no longer
about music because they were suddenly going to be all

(03:16):
about the reality and the drama. And it went like
so viral back to watch to no. You know, I
knew that one backwards and forwards. Yeah. The thing the
thing about this is like for me, this just and
this is something I've wrestled with, you know, even doing
these shows. I avoided all reality because I generally thought
it was a lot of garbage, you know, And and I,

(03:40):
you know, we've had great interviews with Ben Mendelker and
Chad Coltkan and they really did, you know, uh sort
of champion reality and explain how it's you know, uh,
not just trash television, but actually it has nuance and strategies.
And I've I've come around to see a lot of
that I really have and get. But I think fundamentally, unfortunately,

(04:03):
there's still a little bit of exploitation and exaggeration and
uh shodden fuer mm hmm. Oh yeah, you know, one
of those words that once you learn, you just want
to use as many times as possible. But it means,
you know, taking pleasure in other people's misery. And I
think that there's an element of that that you know,
a company. It's you know, watching a train wreck can

(04:25):
be fun. It's rubber necking, right, all the different ways
to describe. It's the feeling bad about watching something good
and not being able to turn away. And yeah, I I,
you know, I think that the reality shows that I
gravitate towards are the ones that are more game show
based too, talent based for me, talent.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Based American Idol, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
And then even like a Loan, which is about survival,
you know, and it's with the stars. We had a
great time watching Gets with the Stars.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, so yeah, now I get that too. But the
Snookie thing. The thing that was really interesting about the
Snooky situation was and and it showed kind of the
direction they were going. The first time they aired it,
they blacked out the punch, so you saw the guy
turn to order, the screen went black, and then you
saw her on the ground.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
The next time they aired it they showed him punching
in the face. Wow.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
So it was it was really interesting the way they
decided to go, like, no, let's just show it, and
so they originally didn't, and then they made someone made
the decision show the actual hit, and then they showed
it over and over.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Well see, that's kind of my problem is that I
feel like, you know, it's the frog boiling in the
water thing. It's like these little degrees of like, well,
what are we going to accept as okay to like
just stand by and let people do live on television
or not even live, but we're going to edit it
and exploit it. And you know, I feel like, yeah,
if you think back to the way the news used
to be, or even these early reality shows, it was

(05:44):
nothing compared to these days, you know. Yeah, And I think,
of course everything's been accelerated by the Internet, so videos.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
So I was gonna say, look at social media now,
I mean, so much silence and flat out watch murder.
I mean, it's just it's really sad, and maybe we
are getting to a point of yeah, let's just go
back to audiators. You know, it's going back to people
trying in the ring and it's running man, and they
would be.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
So that you have produced UFC is is kind of that, right,
I mean that I remember when UFC. I know, I
know you're a fan, but I remember when it first
came out feeling a little I mean, I can't watch
it like I can't, right, I can't even really watch
regular boxing. I find violence really hard to watch, and
I find it, you know, so aboring to experience. I've
gotten more used to boxing, but I like it better
in a fictional context. I like it in a movie

(06:25):
I like it. When I'm watching a real fight, I'm
usually just like, oh, I look away, and UFC I
can't watch because for that reason, it's like it's just throw.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
The UFC especially was before there were any rules when
I mean, I started watching at UFC one, and it
was brutal because there were no rules, and it was
just the whole idea was, let's see what happens if
you put a boxer against the wrestler. What happens if
you put a mix you know, somebody who does kung
fu against somebody who does you know?

Speaker 1 (06:47):
So it was that, but it was way too brutal.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Then the Fritigas bought it, and Dana White came in
added actual rules, and then now it's to the point
where the people train their whole lives in MMA, and
it's two people that it becomes like a game of
chess when you two people that are really good at it.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Right, because they're both doing Brazilian jiu jitsu correct and it's.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Both straight up MMA. It's striking, its grappling, it's all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
So I've always watching somebody like, punch somebody else in
the face repeatedly is really hard. Agreed, I get it,
but you know, at the same time, it's like, and
I this is where the algorithm of the Internet is
just so crazy. Like I definitely have gone through periods
where I'm flipping through my Instagram and I realized, like
I've gotten a lot of like drunk guy getting kicked
off a plane for being racist videos. I'm like, for

(07:29):
whatever reason, I lingered too long on two of these,
and now it's just he didn't be the same thing.
You know. It's like I remember when when Reels first
came out, you could click a button and see like
you're recommended reels. Oh oh God. And and Indie and
Alex and I were in New York. Actually, she was
making her movie in New York and we discovered this

(07:50):
and and Alex was clicking on her. She's like, oh,
my reels are like really nice hotel rooms, like beautiful
hotel rooms like Zillow porn, and then people jumping off
of high places. That's what I just kept recommend you
like guys and girls. Just like you know, it was
always the same song of like you know somebody, I
forget what the song was, but I believe I can fly.
Probably it'll come to me anyway, she gives me. We

(08:14):
were Unfortunately Indy was there to see this. They're like,
what's your Instagram reels? Just women bouncing? I'm like, what
have I done that? It's just literally women being like hey,
and I'm like what what? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I would probably be food and random people punch in
the face, which is they've thrown on my They've thrown
it now on my thing where it's just like, hey,
I'm on the bus and somebody punches me in the face.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
So yeah, it's it's strange. I do have a bit
of a bone to pick with you, though, if I'm honest.
As we're talking about elephants in the room. Uh oh,
I noticed she had a new partner last week.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I'm hoping that she will come back to Yeah
that's what I figured.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Maybey really make this a good show? Seem like seemed
like you guys were pretty comforted.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
What will she knew things about Survivor? So it was
I know things about Survivor. I think you were magical
rewinding somewhere. No, I was.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
It was my mom's eighty fifth birthday. I was back
in Connecticut, so yeah, I was travel that one past.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, you better.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
There's something else I'd like to bring up, which I
think is pretty important as well.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Are you ready? Yeah? Are you sure you're ready? Yeah?
You got the pants. I got the pants. My friend,
I've had so many messages from people who's not on
social media. Get him the pants.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I got him. I am wearing my Survivor pants as wee.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Now, you just got to get Jonathan's body. Yeah, I'm
good luck with steroids. Ye, he's a giant.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's like, seriously, there's fables written stories, fables written about that,
like a he Man figure.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yes, like he looks exactly like the he Man figures.
He does, he does. He's like he's man at arms,
like his head. She's been around. And because they all
had the same body back in the day the he
Made figures and they weren't like body like bodybuilders have
gotten even crazier. But he Man was just like those
perfect alpha body That's exactly what he is. Every time.
Well Jesus Christ, look at that guy.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, seriously he is, and and all of his clothes
look like they're made by fishermen in a small village.
And so I was able to find the pants and
this is the this is this is the new the
new Trader's cloak I have got. I will say they're
comfortable as hell. These things are amazing. So this and

(10:25):
a pair of crocs. I'm a happy survivor guy.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
All right. So I'm assuming you watched episode three.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
I watched all of I'm completely caught up. Still don't
get it completely, so I don't know if.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
You listen to me and Sophie.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
But we had a really it was it was painful
and it hurt, and I don't want to. I don't
want to know anything about it.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
I know she said shouldn't eat for like eleven days,
eleven days no eating. Funny because that I had some
questions that we had brought up ahead of time, or
that we'd already talked about that I was able to
ask her. Uh, I can't remember any of them, so
I want to. But then I have questions that came
up to me, like while we were doing you should
listen to it, you should listen. I don't want to,
but I would say I will say that the one

(11:04):
thing I definitely want to talk to you about is
finally we have seen a chink in Jeff Probe's armor,
which is his rapping ability.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
He doesn't, as the kids would say, necessarily have the flow,
but it's.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
The equivalent of me. Between last week's Jeff rapping and
now a country singer who I've never heard of had
of our episode there, I was like, I don't know
what's I mean? No, the country music I never heard of? Sorry,
everybody I had neither. I have like pop culturally disabled.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Me to knew who he was. You obviously knew exactly
culturally disabled.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
But I very specifically really don't know anything about hip
hop or country music. They're just two. I know more
about hip hop than I do country music. Yeah, but
I know nothing. So yeah, so this week, yeah, so
between the last two weeks musically, I feel very out
of touch. But I feel like Jeff really shouldn't have
should should have. Sophie was like, I think he might

(12:00):
have reckoned.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
You might have suggested, oh god, yeah no, so yeah
what rhymes with don't wrap anymore?

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Jeff, Bob? What I would? I would kick this aflow?
Uh yeah, I'm gonna be totally honestly too. I still
can't get into it. I just with the show, the show.
I don't get it. Are you kidding me? No? I
thought this was because I thought this was one of
the best episodes.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
It's it's this is literally just a bunch of people
sitting around all episode talking about who they're going to
vote off.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
That's the whole show. And then occasionally they go out
and well, yeah, then they could.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Then they go out and they do a weird physical challenge,
and then they sit back in again in the woods
and talk about who they're going to kick off.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
That's it. It's a big brother just in It's just
Big Brother just in the woods. That's how is it
different than Traders?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Because Traders is like there's a pageantry to Traders, and
it's there's the you know, this ridiculous kind of characters
and the big costumes and all stuff. This is literally
just people sitting around going.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Hey, should we vote out this person? No, we should
vote out that person? Well what about this? Well I
want I don't want to be with them.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
I can't believe they said are going to vote me
out and I'm just like they are spearfishing.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
But that's okay.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Show me that the idea that she said, I haven't
eaten in eleven days, Show me that you guys can't
get food.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Show me all that we talked about this day one, Yeah,
could not be more. I think these episodes should be
more about like the surviving, right, or even this silliness
like when they did the Talent Show. I was like,
I want to see more of that, you know, like, yes,
that's yes, Like I want the like what's it like
to be bored? You know? Yehen days in and all

(13:32):
you have is yeah. But I agree, they get into
the strategy, they get it, and partly, you know, I
think maybe as the show goes on, because there'll be
less characters, you might get a little more into it,
like right, because you get more attached to people. Right now,
it really is a little hard to be like, wait, Stephanie.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Right, and I'm learning them people's names. When they're kicked off,
I'm like, oh that was cute. I know, that's like,
that's that's how I And I'm thinking about you as
I'm watching this because what you said about Traders, where
you were like, I kind of wish I started with
just regular people. I wish I started Survivor on a
season where it's not already about interpersonal relationships that come

(14:09):
from other seasons that I'm completely unaware of.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
I know people are watching this, people that are big.
It seems like this season of Survivor is made for
people who watch Survivor.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Absolutely absolutely, it's like a culmination of all the years.
But yeah, I agree, like we kind of screwed ourselves
with Trators and Survivor. They're both meta, you know, they're
both like in these sort of meta season moments. And
I agree, I don't. I don't love it. I mean,
I like this one because I have my favorite people
that I like watching, and you know, but that's that's

(14:40):
my thing. Like I agree, man, like that. I think
the joy of Survivor has has just adjusted and it's
interesting to think about how that's happening overall culturally, do
you know what I mean? Like even our politicians are
usually people we've already seen before, right, Yeah, it's like
we're in this echo chamber of like, yeah, you know,

(15:01):
we only nominate or want to see people that have
already done other things before. It's a weird, like repetitive moment.
Look at what we do for a living.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
We're going back and watching our show from thirty years
ago because there's a comfortability to yes, something we already
know and as somebody deals with anxiety.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
There's a reason I.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Watch mash every night when I'm going to better people
who are anxious people watch the same things over and
over because it's no surprises, you know what to expect
go in with that.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
So I was, yes, I was. I was interviewed about
my other podcast, The Red Weather. Please go Red Wether
to it now if anybody's interested, I'm I was being
interviewed about it by this cultural critic who goes by
pop smart media, doctor Shannon. She's amazing, and she she
brought up the fact that during times of like extreme conflict,

(15:48):
historically people go to fantasy or nostalgia. And it's so true.
It's like fantasy or nostalgia, it's like scrapism or what
we already know and feel comfortable with. And I think
that I think that we are definitely in that moment
kind of overall for maybe the last like ten fifteen years, culturally,
we're just seemed to be going further and further, Like
you don't see much new stuff, you know. That's why

(16:11):
I love to see like a movie like Sinners, which
you know, take or leave it. What's great is it's
a regional yeah, you know, like, I just the chance
that a studio will give a director an original movie,
and especially a new director that isn't somebody from the
nineties like Paul Thomas Anderson, right, I love, but like
a new director, like what was the last time we
saw it? All Right, we're goetting off on a tangent.

(16:31):
Let's by the way.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
You just you just but you just put a new
word in my head because you know that I'm writing
a book and it's it's nostalgia and fantasy.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I love.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's got to be called Fanstalgiaanstalgia.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Fanstalgia's brilliant. I don't know. That really sounds like a
disease that you get cured by Garbain saltwater.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
If you have had nostalgia. But it's the baking powder
on it. And first of all, baking powder does everything.
I don't like that little that fake little product that
does everything.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
How about no, no antasy, No, see it doesn't work.
We'll figure it out. I'll figure it out. Let's do Survivor.

(17:21):
Let's do Survivor. Episode four Q has been voted out.
Stephanie is very sad about it. Stephanie was like an
e in the wrong place. For some reason without his
ah really throws me like you should be Christian or something.
I just don't want to say it. Agreed, are these
are the important observation? So you can only get here people,

(17:42):
This is what you come to pods world, no idea,
what the shoe's about. Let's go your news. So lamely
said right or strong shut? Okay, riders strong and will
not our hy d e r. He's gotta make it
harder for everybody. I love it, all right. So what
was interesting about this moment coming back to camp is
how because you know, there's always like they have to

(18:04):
face who they blindsided, because usually there's one person or
two people who didn't know it the way the vote
was going to go. So there's always this moment. And
I thought, it's so interesting that Ozzy like immediately becomes
like coach, like I mean, like the character, but like
a camp counselor like talking to everybody and like, okay,
so we had to do that and he kind of
made which is like such a bad move. He has
that charisma, but like, dude, don't take credit for this,

(18:27):
Like I agree, you know he does. He does this
kind of stuff all the time. You're like you're being
a good guy, but you're actually putting yourself in a
vulnerable position, like he should have just let somebody else
take the fall for that, and you know anyway, but
he immediately is like, I want to get Angelina out
because I want to become Mike's number one.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
So last week was the tribe swap, which, frankly, when
I tuned in, I thought it was going to be
a much more entertaining episode.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
It was not what I thought it was going to be.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, I think there's just lots of sex in between
the different tribes, and that's not what happened.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
So that was not what a tribe swinging. That's okay, That's.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
What I was like, Ooh, tribe swap, We're finally getting
there on Survivor. And then nope, they just they just
put on different color headbands, like oh man, that sucks,
but you.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Saw how it kind of resets the show.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
And that's a normal thing. Every year they do a tie,
not every year, and.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
In fact, they did it so early this year. It
was just like, oh and yeah, unfortunately it's it's it's
not boded well for Vatu because uh, keep losing, keep losing,
which is that thing that happens. Man, it's just getting weaker,
getting weaker. And you know, I think we saw this
episode when you vote vote out your physical players. I

(19:38):
didn't get that. I mean, I guess what they say
exactly what Ozzie said, Yes, like like, why are.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
We getting rid of the queue, the big dude that
can help us push stuff?

Speaker 1 (19:47):
What are you thinking? I know, and you saw it
immediately in this challenge. It's just yeah. And I'm surprised
they didn't say anything about it, like none of them
brought it up. I guess they just know that's on them, right,
But it would be And I told you so too.
I told you so from Ozzie could have gone along
because no, I agree. I agree.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
It's like how you know you it's what the what
what Ben told us about traders was a Ben or
chat I told us where it's like keep keep the
person you know who's a trader there the whole time
until the end, and then vote himut where it's like, yeah,
keep the people that are going to help you with
the heavy ship, keep.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Them there for a while. Yes, But over at the
other tribe, you also want to keep your talented talent
show people. Wow, Okay, what's what's the number one rule
about when you know your impression is horrible, don't do
it when you have to say who you're doing exactly
like you, I can't do it. You can do it?

(20:41):
Oh yeah, no, there's Mickey's up here. So you got high.
I'm Mickey Mouse.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
If you have yes, I'm Mickey Mouse. Don't you get it? Hey,
it's me. Look at Goofy and Pluto, they're and my
dogs and stuff.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's you're like, yeah, you're talking to me.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Are you talking to me? Robert? I'm funny? How I'm funny?
How funny? How that's so true? Number one rule of impressions.
If you got to say the name, it's not doing
it good. Not good. So I would have given it
to the wrestlers because I thought that was cool. Yeah,

(21:23):
the fake punching and all that stuff was great. I meanwhile,
over at Callo coaches getting his hair braided. It's a
beautiful braid. She was like, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
I'm good at Whoever that person was was like, man,
I'm really good at braid.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
That's what happened?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Was it? Yet?

Speaker 1 (21:37):
I don't even know who it was. I don't know
I don't know. We'll get there, we'll get it and now.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
And it's like, right when I start to learn somebody's name,
they switched the tribes and it's like, okay.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I know, I'm gonna wait till the last three. They
are really not re emphasizing their characters because they assume
that you've seen them. Right. It's a hard season, dude, Yeah, yeah,
you came in on a tough season. I get it.
Aubrey is the one that's the outcast, the sort of
nerdy girl who's worried so and she's looking for idols
when Genevieve is suddenly calling out for her and she's like,
my god, leave me alone. But she has a billy idol.

(22:09):
Aubrey does that. Yeah, she's gifted.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yes, and nobody's called it billy idle yet how is
that possible? In four episodes nobody's called it billy idle?

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yet no one has your brain? No, I probably wouldn't have.
So sad, so sad this generation. Genevieve then goes and
finds another Billie Eilish idol, which I can't even keep
track of these anymore? Is this now? I thought?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Okay, so question are there are all these idols gonna
be billy idols or do you get different types of
irregular idolhole?

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I don't know, man, I thought maybe this would finally
just be a regular idol, but it was Billy eilish idol.
So I guess maybe that's just the way the season's
gonna work.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
On different seasons, though, Do different idols do different things?

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yes, Okay, they always have a type of idol, and
I think it. The question for me is that I
don't I can't answer, is are they only one type
of idol for the whole season, right? I'm not sure.
I feel like there have been different types of idols,
But there's also just been times where they don't even
find an idol, They only find a clue, and then

(23:12):
that clue becomes an advantage, and then the advantage might
lead them to an idol. That's cool.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Oh there's tons of dude, they've had to like dig up,
like they've had to like in your like there. Like
some of the funnest is when it's like a treasure hunt.
So it will be like if in your main camp
something is hidden but you only can see it if you,
you know, go here and then they were like in
front of everybody having to like dig something up and
taught stuff like that. I love that stuff. I love

(23:38):
that in plain sight on traders, it's like that they
have to find the idol. I love it. And that's
like super national treasure kind of stuff right underneath where
everyone's getting their water, so you have to like come
back for it later or you know, yeah, super cool, dude.
I like that. And so this I was a little,
honestly just disappointed to see the Billie Eilish idol comebacks maybe,

(24:00):
but I will say the way she played it is
super interesting. Did you did you capture her whole strategy
with this? What do you mean? Well, so she's gonna
give it to Rizzo, right so that then when they
can come back together, she can tell him I gave
that to you. We're in an alliance together because I
gave that to you. But then.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
She gets her super smart it's actually the super smartest
way to use the boomerang eye, which I had not
thought that through until she said that.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I was like, oh, that's the smartest thing to do.
It's it's but I thought you had to give it
to somebody in a different tribe. Did but she knows
that she's gonna then play him later.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Oh, that's right, because it's it says something like it.
It doesn't it's not active until there's like five people
left something like that.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
There was something like five people left merged. At some point,
they're going to merge the tribes. So if he makes
it to the end, he could still have the idol
with her. She already has an idol, right, because she
has one that somebody. Oh, no, she found another one.
You did it to Ozzie. She gave it to Ozzie.
So she's gonna come together and be like, Ozzie, I
gave you yours, Rizzo, I gave you yours, and she

(25:08):
seems she can turn on Rizzo and get it for herself.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Mark And I think the other thing is because it
looks like, uh, there's clearly a disconnect between Rizzo and
the other dude, the other young guy.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Charlie Charlie.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
And so I think one of the other things with
the Billie idol is if you're voted out and it's
still in your pocket, it reverts back to the person
that found it, so you can do it again.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
That's what I'm no.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
She's going to be doing it, but she doesn't even
have to vote him out like his his own tri right,
and then if he doesn't play it, then then she
gets it back at it.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
So yeah, so it's weirdly you want to pick somebody
who's targeted. That's why Aubrey was a good choice for
the other you know other smart yeah, smart. All right.
Then we go to this immunity challenge. And the second
I saw this thing, because they have done this in
the past, I was like, oh God, because this is
one of the hardest immunity challenges. Like there's sunken boat.
The boat is so heavy. I'm just like, and that's

(26:04):
why I was immediately like, they're going to regret regret
boating not sucks mane. Every time they've had this, it's
like or maybe they've only had it once, but I
remember it for being just like the most grueling, horrible,
uh horrible challenge.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
To watch, but really this is something like this becomes
more effective as a viewer if I know how hungry
they are at this point, if I understand that they've
been my god, I didn't eat today, We've had nothing.
I had a handful of rice, and now I have
to push a boat. Then I get it more because
I'm sitting there as a viewer who doesn't know how
hungry they are because they're not playing any of this stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
I'm just supposed to assume, and I'm like, well, why
is that one team not able to push the boat
at all? Why can that?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
You know?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
The other? Well, Jeff says that he keeps saying like
after not eating you no during yeah, but during he
was also like, but also like watching how happy they
are to eat food when they get that's yes, that's
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
It means so much more if you they play into
the hunger and there no food in my cat.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
I think there's just an assumption that you've seen enough
survivor who knows. I know I didn't. So we get
this whole guessing game of what the special guest who's
coming to the island is. Is this normal? Do they
normally bring people on the island? Okay? Nope, never seen
this before? Okay, and uh, you know, I thought it
was cool. But it went on a long time. I mean,

(27:23):
this was like twenty five minutes of the episode was
like this Zach Brown special, which sh okay, like, I
don't I have no reason to break around. But I
did not need to see a commercial of free or
like a music video of him spearfishing and then playing
like three songs? Does he play three songs? I think
I was just definitely like all right, and they're good songs.

(27:44):
Like I was like, yeah, I should check out his music.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
But those are also incredibly long fins. Did you notice
how long his fins were when he got on the
ocean spear he was spearfishing with a bazuka?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
He did, I mean, neither of fins? Okay, sorry, sorry,
you're right. Your reward is that this guy's gonna catch
you fish and play music. And at this point I
was like, oh, they're going to catch the fish for
him and say he caught it, which glad to see
wasn't the case. I was impressed at the show didn't
just manipulate us, actually showed him fishing, all right. So

(28:17):
then Serie sits out, Genevieve sits out a little moment.
I don't know when Genevieve gets to be the one
that sits out where I thought maybe Aubrey was a
little pissed. She like turned in. It was like the
quickest thing. I didn't go back, but if any of
our listeners thought the same thing, because you know, obviously
the Genevieve Aubrey. Uh, there's a rivalry. They're really really

(28:39):
leaning into here. And then they start the thing. Ozzy,
last one in the water, first one of the platform,
because he is he's a superman's yeah, he's a dolphin. Yes, yeah.
Then they have to untie these buckets with the knots.
I'm telling you, not the knots. Not climbing things to
untie things. That's all I would do to study.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
I would just climb thing and untie something, climb, swim, swim, swim,
and then and climb something yep, exactly, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
And then just pushing these these boats. Like it's just
looks so hard, so miserable, unless you're Jonathan who flipped
the thing over by himself, the thing over by himself.
Have you dumping?

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I mean, just now, what do you think the chances
are that a good portion of his power and strength
comes from his pants, which I now have.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
We'll see you think next week you'll be like pushing
ship recks out.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
I'm wondering if like, is it become is there a
superhuman power in the pastors? Yeah, I'm just wondering I
might be very much stronger than you coming soon because
of the pants is all on.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Wait, I can't wait. Let's have a challenge. My friends
have a challenge. Flip over a boat, untie some ship.
Do you remember the one time we tried to play basketball? No,
I mean besides on Boyme's World, which we did with
the Home Improvement kids. Yeah, you and our brothers, your
brother Greg and my brother Shallow try to play basketball
in West Hollywood. You don't remember this. God, When our

(30:03):
brothers were living together in West Hollywood, we were like
we should, uh, we should play some basketball. We were like, yeah.
We lasted fifteen minutes and that I just remember you
red face sweated, me unable to breathe it. He could
just be like, all right, we're done. I probably had
to seeah, I probably had to stop to smoke a cigarette.

(30:23):
We would not do well in Survivor by no, my god.
And that was when we were like twenty eight, not
even like I was even younger. Oh that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
I'm glad I blank that out. Oh my god, Hey,
I'm in shape, rounds of shape.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah all right, So Callo wins Sila's and second and
Vatsu is just destroyed yet again, and they're so exhausted
and defeated. Just watching them crawl out of the night
was like the saddest thing in the world.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Well, that was the thing they finished. One team was done,
already back at their camp listening to music. The other
team was done, had built the sand castle, was all
having fun. The third team was still in the net
like you. They cut to it and it was like,
oh my god, they're still in the net. I felt
so bad, horrible, And Mike.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
White just just he aged about fifteen years in the
course of this episode. He did like Jess calls him
out at a very tribal and it's like, yeah, you
he gets this like far away look in his eyes
where he's just like, you're out of it, dude, like
looking a little rough there. Bro. Yeah it was, it was, Yeah,
it was. They were all just white. I also love it.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
It's really that I noticed it in this episode only
once or twice they call him Mike.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
They always call him Mike White. They always called him
Mike White the whole time. Yeah, really weird. So at
the Sanctuary, which is this is where they get to

(31:55):
go for their rewards. If they get food and it's
just heaven on earth for everybody because like you see them,
they're just like tubs.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah. Oh also though, one of the things too, when
I were talking about was a you're in the sun
a whole lot with no calories in you.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
You start drinking, you're gonna get hammered. I know I
would never do that. I would you never know and
be wasted.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
You're gonna eat too much and there's a good chance
you're also gonna have some serious gastro intestinal problems.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
And that's happened. I've seen, They've seen, They've shown people
like throwing up. How could you not because you go
from nothing to essentially gorging. You gotta take it easy, Yeah,
you gotta take it easy. Yeah, it was. But this
is why I would starve myself before ever going out there. Yes,
I would be like I would be on I would
be fasting and working out like for weeks just to
build your your bodies, like get your body used to that,

(32:42):
because yeah, the survivor diet. All right. Uh. Then it
becomes this commercial for Zach Brown's awesomeness watching him jump
into the water with this like bazooka spear that I
was just like, what have you ever been spearfishing? I
have not, Okay, I've been spearfishing, but you do it

(33:04):
like like OZI does it with like a sling, which
is like a stretchy goes and like one little and
you just like it almost like looks like an automatic rifle.
It relad But then he catches a fish that is
bigger than anything. Yeah to Tuna, oh my god, that
was insane.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
And how he's talking about how he's like, you got
to get it in because the sharks are coming.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
He's like, oh my god, that's crazy. But it happened
to me.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Did you notice though that it looked like every single
one of his tattoos he had done yesterday. Oh, like
they were all bright and fact like I have tattoos
and there's some I forget I have. And I look
at him like, oh my god, I can't believe he
can even still see the ink his They looked like
he was just yes, like every six months he go
gets them redone.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Because they clearly wanted to make zact brown look awesome,
so they might have just given him a little color correct.
He looked pretty awesome. Though, he looked pretty awesome. Yeah,
I was doing, dude, the one shark ing counter I've
ever had with spearfishing, and that's exactly you it ate fish. Well,
here's the thing. I was going with my buddy who's
like a big spear fisher. He got in the Bahamas
and he you know, I did two trips with him,

(34:10):
and I only ever got a lobster because I can't
hit ship as you walk up and just knock it
on the head. No, they're in the they're under it,
like you have to find them under rocks, like in
the core, like you have to find low under So
I found him in a little thing, but he's not moving.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
So that was my big spear fishing moment catching. I
think I got two lobster, but he got a you know.
And it was so funny because like before we went,
he's like, stay com if we see sharks, it's not
that big of a deal, you whatever, And I was like, okay, okay,
so you know, I'm terrified of sharks of course. And
then we get in the water and he got a fish.
So he's got a fish in the end of and
nothing like the size of Zach Brown's like a regular

(34:48):
size little fish. It's like cool, we're gonna get sushi, like,
you know, if we get four more of these, we
have a meal. It's men. And and then I see
a shark and it's you know, not huge, but it's
a freaking shark. Yes, and it's dark swimming towards us.
Oh God, and my buddy like pops up out of
the water and where he's up about it, and I
pop up and he's talking to me. I forget what

(35:10):
he was saying, and I'm just like trying to stay calm.
My heart's racing. I know the shark is coming towards
us of the water, and I'm like, he's so okay,
and I don't want to interrupt him, but you, uh,
did you saw the shark right? And he's like what
he looks down and the shark is like coming right
because he's a bleeding fish. So then he the shark
comes right out of me. He like dives away and

(35:30):
has to give give the shark the fish because the
shark was like actually coming. Oh and god, you know
that he was bleeding down his hand from the spear,
so he just like turned it over and like pushed
the fish off and let the let the shark get
the fish. And then he was like, well, writer, you
were a little too calm. He will do this dude
who was fine with a freaking shark.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
No, no, thank you, No, it'll be Nobu for me,
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, thank you. It was pretty cool though. We were
literally came out sushi every night, like we would catch
fish and then just have sushi. It was delicious. Oh
so much fun. Uh anyway, not as good as Zach Brown. No,
that guy's a monster. And then you know they have
this incredible meal after he like carves it up for them,
and then they get a private concert, which reminded me

(36:20):
of Boy Meets World, where I was awkwardly staring at
the Nobody's Angels performing this day with my face. They
had a much better concert that that. They were clearly
actually I was like, oh, what would I have been like?
I would have actually been I love his voice.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh he's not into country music, but I will certainly
listen to him. He seems like he's a good guy.
He seemed like he was a big fan. The man's
got phenomenal fins. So yeah, this was Uh, I'm a fan.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I'll check it out all right Over at Cela Dee
was crying she's a big Zach Brown fawn. Ok yeah,
and then Rizzo gets his his idol that he's been
gifted from the Billie idol and thinks he is best.
Like I've told every.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Season, it's like if you played too, yeah, and somebody
also gave this to you.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
He didn't find anything. I'm one of the better players
to ever play this game. And I'm like, you are
so twenty five right now.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Man.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I do like him and and Sophie it was on
with me last week, said she they're like best friends,
and okay, she's she was so cool and she's like,
he's a genuinely great guy. I believe her. I believe
that he is a good guy.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I'd ask that you not mention her anymore. Okay, okay,
let's not bring her up. Okay, my new co host, hey,
f so pain.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
She was actually probably really upset that you weren't here.
We'll we'll just have her back on.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I wore new pants for you to try to get
it to get.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Back, bring her back. I've got I've got something performance
as we go on, and especially the fact that she
brought he brought her up in the episode that we
were or that she was on to recap with me.
I have a feeling like Rizzo's gonna you know, there's
gonna be some drama late later on that we would
love to have her way in on.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Okay, question is is Survivor like it seems like in
Traders when somebody mentions your name, your your moments up,
like you're you're the countdown has started for you being
kicked off? Is it kind of the same on Survivor
because now his debt, Charlie or whatever his name is,
now he's like, I'm getting this dude off. Is that
usually the start of like we're gonna get somebody off.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yes, but that's also editing, right, Like they could be
bringing up people constantly and just yeah showing them. But
they've clearly planted the seeds for a rivalry here because
they reiterated that this episode and it has nothing to
do with this episode. So when you see that kind
of editing where they brought it back up, played it out,
I bet you next episode that rivalry is gonna really
come or four episodes down the line, right they are

(38:53):
They clearly plant these seeds for the whole season. Makes sense,
makes sense, you know, it makes sense, But I would
love to be you know, I'd love to experience what
what how many times they do have these conversations that
go nowhere? Yeah, and therefore don't get you know, like.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Wonder the amount of footage they're throwing out where it's
just like.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Well, they're on the beach all day every day.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
You could do fifteen episodes a week of the same
day if you want.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
To a cruise with them at night, because there have
been episodes where in the middle of the night people
sneak out to go do something like bury an idol,
get a get a buried idol, or to meet rendezvous
with another person in the middle of the night, and
the camera crews are there, so they have there are
people always on the beach filming them constantly ready.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
To do they ever give any kind of logistics of
how close you are to another camp?

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I mean, are they like walking distance from each other?
Or I would have loved to ask sof I mean no,
because they always have to take boats, right, they always
show up in boats, So you never see people like
walk to another camp.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Okay, you wonder how I wonder how close they are
to each other in actuality?

Speaker 1 (39:54):
I do too. That's a good question. All right over
at Vatu. I thought it was interesting how positive they
were all being considering you know, we went from selah
D's like crying, like you guys got immunity, and then
we go to Vatu and they're like, all right, team
we did. We didn't win, but we did, okay, you
we did all right? Like what really I guess they
you know, they say it right away, is that they

(40:15):
were already kind of planning to go for Angelina, which
is Mike, Ozzy and Christian's plan, right, Which which one's Angelina,
the one who stayed despite being the one that they
said they were going to vote up for, big curly
brown hair. So Angelina is like Mike's sidekick because they
were on a season together. And then she's the one

(40:35):
that I think was on White Lotus has like had
like a one line. I think that's Angelina. So that's
what Mike when he the other one is the big
curly hair. So that's why when Mike runs, he spends
this entire you know, rest of this episode trying to
save Angelina, and he even has to admit it's not
because she's a good player. He's doing it because they're

(40:57):
they're friends in real life, like they were on their
free season, so he just kind of doesn't want her
to get kicked off. Turns out to be a really
bad move. Yeah, so Mike decides to start targeting Emily
to kind of get everybody off of Angelina, and he
has this great line where I was like, Oh, this
is this guy's clearly a writer, where he says, you know,

(41:20):
she's a cougar in the shape of a ren Fair girl.
Yeah awesome. Yeah, but then we'll come back later because
he has some not so great lines coming up.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
The second he said it's at this game, I'm Machiavelli,
I knew who was gone.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
I turned to Sue and I went, he's voted out tonight.
You can't get too cocky man.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Nope. And the second they start to show it's like
when you watch Top Chef when they start to weirdly
focus on one chef, it's always like, that's when he's
going to be kicked off tonight. And the second they
started really focusing on Mike and some of those zingers
he was pointing out, was.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Like, he's done and they're kicking him out tonight. I know.
I loved this singer and I was like, he's a
great writer. He got Sephanie on his side. Then he
tells Christian and Angelina to go for Emily, and Christian
is in this sort of he's stuck because he feels
you know. But and then Mike and Christian have this
scene which turns out to be a pretty big thing.
And this is where Mike's writing linguistic ability was not

(42:13):
so good. He says, she's a nerd bomb where the
nerd girl stabs the nerd guy on the back. Was
mixing your metaphors, dude, I like you love her in
the shape of a renfair girl a lot better. But
what I really was thinking while I'm watching this, I
was like, Mike, you're the nerd girl in this situation
or the nerd guy. You're doing the same thing. You're
going to turn around and stab Christian in the back.

(42:33):
And I was so glad that Christian saw that for
what it was, because, you know, he seems to do
a Christian Christians very smart and humble in a way
that that that Mike is not right. Mike is I think,
been directing a little too long, and and and and
believes in his own persuasive powers a little too much.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Well, he said, he's like, all the only the only
thing survivor is is just convincing other people to do
what you want them to do.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
And I wow, yeah, right, but it's still right, and
he does have good skills at it. But you know,
when you're directing your actors on White Lotus, they kind
of have to do what you're going to say, right,
So you think you're a great persuasive person, but the
reality is they get paid to be there and do
what you're You know, you're you're the boss.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Your your cast isn't going to turn around and vote
you out of directing.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
No no, yeah, your producers maybe, the network maybe, But
even at this point, no, no. By the second season
of White Lotus, they're gettingtting him do whatever he wants.
He took that for granted, man, I think because really
he should have been drawing Christian in, you know, and
instead he really kind of pushed him away from it
with this moment, and.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
His ego got him kicked out. I think so, man,
And I think.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
So because actually you look at Mike and Christian and Emily,
these are the sort of nerdier like they should have
sticking together, and instead, by like characterizing her as a nerd.
Christian is going to take that personally for him to
you know, it's wearing a robot shirt. Yeah, not a
cool way to go, man. No, no, it was a
big misstep on my I agree. Was his ego got
him kicked off the show? All right? I liked. I

(44:01):
liked the way that he dealt with it though.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
I like how he was like, oh, of course nice, yes, exactly,
good job guys, Like I like that.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Is ultimately a good guy. Like, yeah, I think he
just screwed up here, and and you know, and it
all comes back actually to him wanting to support Angelina
as a friend, knowing she wasn't that good of a player.
So it all goes back to a strategic miss miss step.
You know that he made half with you know, half with.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
As President George Bush so eloquently said, strategery, strategery.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yep. So Christian decides to make this big move to
vote out Mike, which he only needs, you know, a
couple votes, and I love that he's like, we don't
tell Ozzie because Ozzie's gunning for a white lotus cameo.
I love that was so good and it's kind of true.
Because does know Mike. Mike said that they hung out
in La as friends, and then and Ozzie said, I

(44:49):
want my I want to be Mike's number one. So
Christian is exactly right, which I then love that Emily
who just cannot keep her mouth shut.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Oh my god, I couldn't believe that. It's like, just
don't say anything. How hard is it to just not
say something? It ultimately does work in their favor, though,
I mean, knowing how the episode actually ended, I'm like,
that's good because Ozzie can't be really pissed at Emily anymore,
you know what I mean. No, but you can't ever
tell her anything ever, I know, because it's like, that

(45:19):
is not a person you want on your side. Really,
you're just gonna go to she first she told about
the idol and then she told about this.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
It's like, just keep your mouth shut. But luckily she
doesn't say we're voting, Like Ozzie still thinks they're voting
for Angelina, which I think if they had told I
think if they had told him that they were voting
for Mike, Ozzie would have run to tell Mike. And
I think I think so too. So I think in
her mouth. Yes, quiet, But it's interesting that you know
it is. I can't wait to see what happens, because

(45:50):
Christian trusting Emily at this point could be that nerd bomb.
Exactly what Mike said. So he's asking Emily to trust him,
and he's trusting Emily who's already blurted out. But she
does stick to the plan. But I think maybe, you know,
even by next episode, Christian could be, you know, regretting
his decision to stick with Emily over almost anybody else

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at the same Yes, and I'm hoping again, I think
you're right.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
As they get weeded down more, I'm gonna start getting
attached to certain people like on Traders, and it's gonna
be then. Yeah, I just want them to do a
little more surviving. And I get what they mean. I
get the metaphor of you're actually surviving the vote as
opposed to surviving on the island.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I'd like to see a little bit of this. We
get to tribal council and to your point, Ozzie talks
about catching eight fish, which you never saw. No, we

(46:52):
saw him like, oh, I'm gonna go get some food,
but like, dude, caught them eight fish that is insane.
After pulling that boat, pushing that boat, he was like
the only one in the back for a little while too, Like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I still don't get how you've said that. That's the
guy who keeps getting voted off of every other season.
It's like, how's that the dude you want to get
rid of?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
I guess I kind of get it. But he deserves
the win. When it gets to the individual immunity, he
just kicks everyone's That's.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
He deserves to win. Keep him until. Yeah, it's really tricky, man,
They blindside him like crazy. But yeah, he provides food
for everybody.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
But if you want him really to survive where he says, Okay,
you lost, so him taking your your flint? Okay, well
everybody has fired. What they should do is they should
take their fire, like you don't get fire anymore. It's
not that you don't get away to start your fire,
because you've already started your fire. We're extinguishing your fire
and you don't get a fire until you win again.
That would be interesting.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Well, they do take their flint, what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
No, no, no, I'm saying instead of taking their flint, they
take the flint. But they also extinguish whatever fire they have,
and they're not allowed to have fire until they win again.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
That to me would be interesting.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
That's because it's like, I know, but when who cares
taking your flint just keep the fire going? Taking their
flint does nothing with the fire going. Yeah, put the
fire out. You don't get fire, That's what I'm saying.
But you don't get you don't get to do that.
You're once the fire goes out, We're putting your fire out.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
You've lost. You can't have a fire again until until
you win again. That would be how I would do it.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Something I think they are of answer turning me into
a different guy.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
So so Micah's is weird. This interesting line during tribal
Council where he says, you know, there's some people you'd
rather lose with than win with, which it's like, okay,
so you're gonna lose with Angelina. Yeah, And he also
has this great spiel where he says he's so used
to selling people on his artistic projects and until it

(48:37):
comes out, you feel like a con artist, which I'm
really related to. Of course, that's any everybody in our industry,
can everybody because you always have to say, like, just
trust me, I have a vision, or the story's going
to be there before it's written, or give me millions
of dollars, or give me the part you know it's
it was. It was really a well put like point.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I had a meeting with somebody the other day who's
at a position in his career where he literally said
to me, I'm in a place now where I can
say whatever I want and everybody just.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Says yes to me. And I was like, Oh, what
a magical place. Industry. Yeah, Oh, you got to tell
me who this was. It was, I don't know it was.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
It was just like he's like my my, my agents,
my managers, other producers, they're just there to say yes
to me when I come with anyone. Oh.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
It's just like, wouldn't that be nice? Magical? Nice? Absolutely mad.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, well that's Mike White. I mean, Mike White. Whatever,
he's gonna go pitch, they're gonna do so. I mean,
it's that's the idea that he's doing Survivor for fun
is kind of cool, crazy, weird.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, it's not pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
He seems like a person I would really love having
nothing to do with the industry, like not trying to
pitch him anything, not trying to sell him anything. I
would love to just sit down and have a meal
and just talk to that guy, because he seems like
it would be a super interesting convers.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Super entertaining, super funny. Yeah, have you.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Seen so Apparently he did a movie in two thousand
that I was I was looking at that Jeff Bridges
came out and said it was the best movie and
the best performance in a decade.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah. I know that he started with like, you know,
much smaller comedies, and then you know the fact that
he's ended up doing White Lotus is just bonkers. Maybe
it's Chuck and Buck. Yes, I've heard about this.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
So he plays he plays like a guy, plays a
crazy guy who's like stalking his best friend.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
And I was reading all about it and that.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
It ended with a quote of Jeff Bridges saying like
this is the best performance I've seen in a decade, Like,
oh my god. So yeah, apparently, you know, he was
great in School of Rock, which I think is the
only thing I've ever seen him in as an actor.
But I mean, this guy's legit talented. So it's I
would love to sit down and have a conversation with.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Well, he's kicked off Survivor season fifty, Bye Bye Mike
and was shot. I was like, this plan works perfectly,
it does it? You know, way to pull it off.
I feel like I feel like the tribe is going
to be able to come together. I mean, Angeline is
clearly on the outs, right, so she's got some scrambling
to do. But the fact that everybody else came together

(50:57):
for this vote in some form or another, and I
think that Ozzie's gonna be able to forgive everybody.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I hope in the seasons you've seen, have you ever
seen a tribe that keeps losing, keeps losing and then
eventually turns it around and gets stronger or do you
just is this like a slow death by a thousand
paper cuts and.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
This is death. It's usually just death until they get
down to like two people and then they just merge
into the other tribe. Think. I mean, I yeah, it's
really hard to turn it around once once you've gotten
this week, you know, because now you can see that
they're going to have to take two people out for
each challenge on the other teams in order to match
this team, right, So two people get to sit out
every time, and they can't sit out more than I

(51:36):
think once in a row, maybe twice in a row.
So it's gonna get interesting, man. I mean, that's the
only that's the only way to equalize it, is that,
Like because that you saw Seri sit out, so like
if she sits out again, they can't do that. So
eventually you end up having to like sit out Jonathan
or somebody that you really rely on. Hopefully that equalizes it.
But honestly, like every season, I feel like it's just

(51:58):
the there's demoralized, they fall apart until it gets to
the individual game. But sometimes these people end up being
the winners, like from the demoralize, Like Sophie was on
a tribe that lost everything and got down to two
people last season, and she ended up being in the
final three. Oh she was okay, wow, okay. So you
know that's like I think that it actually toughens you

(52:20):
up and forces you like when you come in on
the bottom of whatever tribe, you come in on whatever.
A lot of times there's factions of people like that
surprisingly surprisingly turn against each other, and if you're on
the bottom, you get to be the deciding vote, do
you know what I mean? So you powering into an
established alliance and being the one to be like it's
four against four, everyone wants my vote, and then you

(52:41):
say give me what I want, like let me and
trust me, you never vote me out, and then you
make it to the end because of that. So sometimes
it's good to be, you know, the last person standing
on a tribe.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
That's Yeah, there's one more thing I would add to
what we'd have to train for for Survivor.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
We'd also need to train with giant.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Puzzles, because that seems to be a very big important
part of the show exactly, giant puzzle.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
And word puzzles, you know, like figuring out. And they've
repeated a lot of like I think celebration has been before,
Like they pick words that are like you know, yeah,
it's uh, I can't spell, So I would I'd be
losing all of these, right, what's calibration? What's everybody's problem?
All right, Well, you've been listening to pod meats tworld.
No excuse me.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I know that you started with another host last week,
but that does not give you the right to skip
over my segment, sir, which, as everybody knows, is called Where's.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
History of People? That's invested up in things, and it
doesn't include Sophie. I'm looking at you, Sophie.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Uh So, this week we are talking about Fraine Selk,
who is a crue You.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Made that up?

Speaker 2 (53:47):
That is Star Wars character, isn't it the coolestrain Tom
Selleck exactly of the Council of He's Frain Selik. He's
a Croatian music teacher and he became famous for sviving
and astonishing seven deadly accidents. These included train and plane crashes,

(54:08):
car explosions, and even being hit by a bus just randomly.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yes, he wasn't like ever intentionally putting himself into these minds. No,
despite repeatedly flirting with disaster, Selek always emerged alive, earning
in the nickname of the world's luckiest unlucky man. So
this is Unbreakable. This is the plot of essentially Unbreakable,
m Night Giamalan's movie essentially except better.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
His remarkable run of escapes had sparked both and disbelief worldwide.
That is Frayne Selk. And I was going to do another,
a different one, but it was another woman. And there's
been a bunch of women and now so I wanted
to give Frayne his due.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Yeah, give Frayan his due. There you go. Like the
I like the new take on surviving too that it's
like multiple events. It's not just surviving in the elderness one.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
There's some crazy ones. There is some crazy ones. I'm
glad I don't have to do the best love stories
that ever happened if we did the Bachelorette, So thank god,
that's not a thing. I wouldn't even know what that
theme song was going to.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
God, what would the best love stories? That's what I
was gonna do, is like the big best loves Again.
I have all the knowledge of the world in my head,
so I can just filter through whatever I want. Even
listening to Podmets twirled. The torches may be snuffed, but
our questionable analysis burns on. We'll see you next time.
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