Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5008

The Survivor 50 finale is now more than just a desert island mirage - it's right around the corner! And so Will and Rider are getting ready, still courageously taking on the challenge of recapping every single episode. 

They're confused by the voting strategies, but the games still had our hosts on the edge of their seats, sparking the age-old debate of what’s more valuable on the island: brains or brawn?

There’s still no love for Coach, but Will and Rider will miss bizarre monologues and his “inspirational” quotes. Not many can share the wisdom of Sun Tzu AND a random financial advisor in the same thought. 

So come join us on Coconut Island, for an all-new Pod Meets Twirl’d: Seeking Immunity!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to Pod Meets Twirld, a podcast that once chronicled
two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars,
but watched a season and walked away experts. From there,
we ventured into Traders, the show I'd never seen but
Will swore he could win. And now we turn to
Survivor season fifty, the Big One, and this time the
roles are reversed. Will has seen exactly one season, the

(00:34):
first one. Meanwhile, I've watched for years. We are Will Ferdell,
who prefers his wilderness with room service, and Rider Strong,
who will hike any mountain but hates the beach. Two
best friends, one devoted to the comforts of civilization and
one who would never leave the woods if he could.
Both of us reality competition scholars join us as we

(00:54):
dive into alliances, blindsides, fire making, sand related misery, and
hike who writing, and twenty five years of television history
culminating in a single massive season. This is Pod meets
Tworld Seeking immunity. I was telling India I was about
to come record, and he's like, what are you recording?
I said, Pod meets Twirled and he goes, Ugh was

(01:18):
a fan. He's like, you're not even talking about Dancing
with the Stars anymore. I was like, oh, okay, okay, okay,
it's called Pod meets Twirld Seeking Immunity. And he's like, oh,
you know that references boy meets World, Pod meets World,
Dancing with the Stars, and Survivor. I'm like, Indy, you

(01:39):
parsed that perfectly.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
All four, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
So he ikout him. He finally is recognizing the brilliance
of his father.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, good, It's about time because once he turns eighteen,
apparently he's just gonna resent you.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Oh I think I've only got till next year. He's
eleven right now. That's triple school is when you start
hating your parents, like really ate it.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
And well, we were busy working, I was getting I
was already audited by the time I was eleven. Come on,
this kid's way behind all right.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
I'm so curious how you feel because I thought this
was the most fun I've had watching the Survivor episode
in a long time. Where are you at?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
I don't disagree, I still am not. I don't really
care about any of the people. I don't I don't
care who stays, who goes, I'm glad that coach went,
but that was the only because I found him annoying.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
See now I'm kind of sad he's gone because he
was so annoying. He had crossed over the threshold from
so annoying to so entertaining. Yeah, that I was like, well,
I hope he sticks right.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I'm trying to get I'm trying to learn the people
more than I am. I'm starting to have some favorites. Definitely.
I thought the challenge was super super cool like that,
like having to work together and the paddles and all
that stuff. I thought that was really great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I think that's why this episode was so good for
me because I was on the edge of my seat
during the challenge, which usually I'm like, Okay, the challenge
is happening, and I'm like cool, and it kind of
plays out the way you expect, honestly, Like most of
the time you're like I kind of know who's gonna win,
or he's who the top like three or four are
gonna be, or which team which tribe is gonna win.
In this case, I was like, I have no idea,
and it was totally the wire. It was.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
It was it was very entertaining, and I feel the
same way edge of my seat, and it was no,
I fully enjoyed all that kind of stuff. I still
I'm just the the then the rest of the show,
I'm still just trying to wrap my head around. And
I just again, I know I came in on the
wrong season. I say that every every week. So I
wish it was just a whole bunch of people that
didn't have a backstory, and then it's I could kind

(03:37):
of get into it a little more. But I'm definitely
enjoying it more than I was at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Certainly, this finally was a twist that I was like,
this complicates the game and the best way, right, you know,
like the other twists, I've been like, what but this one.
When I read that they were going to be splitting
the team, so I was like, oh my god, why
did we merge so early? But then when I saw
what they did and saw the reaction to it, and
like the fact that they would have to do this

(04:00):
double elimination based on two people who are chosen each other,
I was like, that is awesome.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Now, question, do you think the teams would have been
radically different had they known? Oh, we're going home before
they each other.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
That's what was so brilliant about it is because usually
when you were going too these things and you know
you have to pick somebody, which has happened before where
you have to pick a partner or pick a team,
what you do is you diversify the way that they
did based on who they think can do a challenge.
So it's like a big guy will pick somebody who
maybe is a little less physical.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
And Christian together.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Matchup, right, But you usually don't make that decision based
on their social game. And so the fact that flipped
it on them. So once they showed up for the challenge,
they had made this decision based on what they thought was,
you know, how they could survive the challenge and distribute
the risk of the challenge. Suddenly they had made their
choice that distributed the risk of social game. And that

(05:00):
is like a whole that's never happened before.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
And Riz God Riz God pointed that out. And he,
by the way, has gone from being one of my
least favorite to one of my absolute favorites.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
In the game. Yes, me too, man, He's over so
much because he's a really good player, is and he's
kind of sees you know, the entire game around him
and figured it all out, and so yeah, I went
right away from He's like become one of my favorites.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Definitely.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I thought this, Yeah, I thought this episode was so exciting.
The twists and turns were perfect.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
It was like a sign of like all the all
the plans for season fifty that have liked the ideas
for it. I'm like, are you doing it right? Because
some of these choices are really.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Questionable, But then the multi layers of what then happened
at tribal because it's not just what Devn's pulled, but
then it's also my god, what you're doing is essentially
whoever gets up and runs and talks to somebody else.
You're figuring out the alliances. You can see the alliances
in real time as the tribal is going on, and
it's like, oh man, you're basically you're you're you're throwing

(05:59):
the lights on for everybody, Like, oh, not only am
I going to throw a wrench into the entire mix,
but I want to see who talks to each other.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
It was great why and I still have questions about
that tribal, Like I still am very creos. I'm not
quite clear on what exactly happened. We'll get into it.
I'm still I still am I mean, and maybe it's
just me being an idiot, but I wasn't quite following everything,
So we'll get into it. Okay. So we're back at
camp after the last tribal when Dee was voted out.

(06:27):
Jonathan's all happy. Tiffany is not. She knows that four
people wrote her name down, but she has no idea who,
and just like last episode, she's playing a cool in
the group and then in her confessional she's like, I
want to burn this mother dad, which I was like,
She's just been in this position too many times. It sucks.

(06:48):
I think she definitely proved herself for this episode, which
I'm so happy because I do like her a lot.
We haven't actually heard that much from her. I think
when we were talking earlier this season about how people
have been pointing out how like people have gotten screwed
in terms of their screen time, I think she is
the number one screwed person, Like she has had the
least amount of confessional time.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
And then and then everyone's starting to vote for her,
so it's like, not only are they not going to
show her confessional, but now for some reason everyone wants
her out. It's kind of like why why Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
No, And honestly, I don't know that much about her,
Like I can't remember if I've seen a previous season,
you know, so she's and it's I think it's because
of the way it's been edited. It's just she's been reduced.
But anyway, I thought she did great this episode, and
this is another example of her just playing it cool
when inside she is dying.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
But it also shows you how and you know, it's
obviously the beautiful way that they're editing it, but how
it goes from at the beginning of the episode you
think you're on the bottom, and then whatever happens the
entire episode, and then you're the king of the hill
by the end. So yeah, it's totally.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
See this is why, like I think, well, I haven't.
I'm sure somebody's developed this in a really good way.
But I've had this thought before that actually, to teach
screen right, watching reality TV is like the best thing
you could do, because yeah, because think you know, like
some of the hardest things to do is to map
out character arcs right to understand that if somebody's on

(08:10):
the on the bottom, like you say, they should end
up on the top, and vice versa, and that that
is that arc that you have to sort of map.
That for your characters is something that's hard for writers
to get their heads around, you know, just because you
want change, you want conflict, and you want to make
it hard for your characters, whether they win or lose,
you want to make it hard for them. And so
like a reality show is the perfect way to see

(08:32):
that play out because you know, like every episode is
the same Survivor, right, the same thing happens, right, but
you're you're invested because every episode you're watching a different
person change their fortunes one you know, it goes up
or down, up or down. So I feel like it's
an easy way to illustrate that point.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
But there's also especially with something like like reality or
a documentary, which again I want to talk about like
our documentary which was just announced, We're going to Trybecca,
thank you very much for a doc needs World. There's
a thousand documentaries in that documentary. If you edit it
any differently, it becomes an entirely different documentary. So every
episode of Survivor, like Dance with the stars is one thing.

(09:10):
It's it's it's kind of it's formulaic in the best way.
But you know they're gonna come out and they're gonna dance,
and you know they're confessionals in the middle. But with
something like Survivor where they're just shooting, there's a thousand
episodes in the episode. You could take all the footage
from that last episode, re edit it entirely and it's
all about Devon's and it's a completely different episode.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
It's from his point of view, right, That's like, I mean,
it's like you have to pick your protagonist. You have
to make these decisions that are really Yeah, I mean
that's why editing is the essential. You know, that is
where reality shows are written, right. You know, it's like
you have the you know, the plan where you write
with the challenges and you write with the casting, right,
and then you write when you're doing the confessionals with
the way you interview them. Those are That's why you

(09:49):
have story producers on set sort of keeping track of
like who are we you know, they must have like
boards with like who's up this week or who's what
are they saying? Or who are they aligning with? Which
is just must be insane. And then and of course, yeah,
exactly what you're saying, you do the final writing in
the edit, and man, you could I mean you could
make people look good look.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Bad exactly, and again you could go I would love
to see somebody take every like somebody who works for
Survivor go back and take an entire season where people
know it so well and re edit the entire thing
and make it a completely different season of the show,
because you know they could. That's a great idea, man,
it'd be really really cool idea interesting to see. I
went to a play once. It was like an experimental

(10:27):
theater play. It was a Brazilian I think it was
Brazilian production. It was in English, but it had come
from another country originally. And the whole thing was you
saw the same play twice. It is two hours long,
so it was a long night. But the idea is
those two audiences. There's an audience in one room and
then there's an audience in another room. The audience in
one room gets to see a live stage play going on.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
The audience in the other room only sees what the
cameras that are running around stage is catching. So you
watch the same play twice, once as as if if
it's a reality show on a screen, and once as
if it's a play. And you see the difference of
just just how the cameras capture or don't care. So
it's basically what you're saying, but in a live theater context.

(11:11):
And it didn't have editing, but still just the framing
of like limiting what you could see to what the
camera could change, change the whole story, of course. And
what was so cool is that, of course I saw
it with the theater version first and then the screen version,
but if you were going the other way, you you
have a different experience, right, It was like you you're
expanding the frame or limiting. Super fascinating idea.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, we should re edit all the Boy Meets Worlds
to where Corey is the villain.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
That wouldn't be that hard.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
For seven years.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
A great No, I think it's a great idea. Man
if if somebody was like willing to consciously plan that,
like to shoot a reality show, do a whole season,
and then release a second version of that same season with.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
All these existing states, you can't reshoot anything, can't change
a word, can't change a word. It's just re edited.
It's a great idea.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
That's a great idea, right, Let's not tell anybody about
that idea, so we could save it and pitch Hollywood. Okay,
so okay, so whatever, Holly, don't tell anybody, all right,
Jonathan Tell's coach to lay low.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
That seemed to be one of the themes of the episode.
It was, Hey, coach, maybe just go hammock.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Maybe just go sit in the hammick and shut the
fuck up. I love about Coach then mocks how he
should talk, and he's like, oh, this guy is blue. Yeah,
that's called being a normal human being. Like he like
he literally has to present with his ego what it
would be like to talk as if he didn't have
an ego. Yeah, I need he would be. Then there
was some saving.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Grace at a couple times through the episode where at
least he was cognizant of kind of the person that
he is, where it was more like, hey, more or
less this this is me better or worse. I'm this guy.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
No, that's what he says at the end, And I
I mean, I hope that I'm never that person, do
you know what I mean? Like, I'll tell you, Like
that's a sad sort of state where you're like, well,
love me or hate me with me? I know, I
think it'd be better to be loved.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, I mean again, it's just it because you know
what the problem is that it just it becomes such
a caricature of a person where it's like everything this
guy says is a quote from somebody else. Like he's like,
if you'll permit me a Nietzsche quote. My like, oh
my god, really do have a joy.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
He can't help himself. I can't help himself. You just
feel it. It's so Stephanie got her Alliance of seven.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Uh yeah really yeah, really there's she comes off as
a total badass to me, really just love.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Something about her kind of rubs me the wrong way.
It's partly who she's picking. I'm like, really, this is
your alliance. And and there's this whole coversation that everybody's
having about the middle, which is so interesting. They all
kind of know this, which is Aubrey, Devin's Christian and Emily,
And it's so funny because I this is where I
feel like the old and new styles are colliding, because

(14:15):
these four specifically have done incredible almost every other season,
and they've done incredible because it's it's usually that they
partner with somebody, you know, somebody who's doing really well
physically early on or who's doing really well so like
a leader, like an alpha, they partner with them and
sort of whisper in their ear and tell them which

(14:37):
way to go. And this season is kind of going
back to the old school Survivor where the alphas are
just running the show right, which is the way it
used to be. And it's so interesting to see that
these four specifically, who are you know, the nerds really,
I mean, they're the ones who are physically not you know,
they're like the nerdy sort of outtake I know, but
they're stuck in the middle in this case, which is

(14:58):
super interesting. They do come out on top of the
end of this episode, but I was watching this going wow,
this is that collision of the old and news. But
it seems we're talking where you want to be.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I mean, we've talked about this where it's kind of like,
don't make waves, be kind of.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Just in the long term that is where you want
to be. But you can see how close they get
to getting voted out in this episode.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
I also don't understand who you vote for and why
I'm still I still am not And I know they
have a strategy and they know this game a hell
of a lot better than I do, But I don't
understand why you don't always just vote out the strongest
person every time, especially now that you're in individuals where
it's like everybody's great. Mic three is going to win
this game. She's the best ever. Okay, so why doesn't
everybody just get together and go three?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
You got to go because she doesn't stand a chance
at the end of she doesn't stand a chance at
individual immunities. But if no one votes for, then who cares?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
She doesn't need them.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, what's so weird about this season is that they've
been really still acting as if it's a tribe tribe
based challenge game. It's you know, they're still working in pairs,
are in teams. They have not really reached that individual
because if you if they were at the individual level,
like really, you'd get rid of Jonathan right away, you
get rid of Ozzy as soon as you can, like

(16:02):
anybody who's physically doing the challenge as well, just get
rid of them. But in this version, they're holding on
to those alliances with those big guys or those physical,
you know, beasts, because they're still working with them.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
So yeah, I was gonna say, there's only been one
individual one that's the standing and the thing that's the
only thing that's been individual and that was Remember that
was after they had already done a team one, right, Yeah,
so that was so they they're still doing team games.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
So they're in a weird position where they're because normally
like yeah, I yeah, and I'm glad, Like that's what
I liked about the twist this time is that it
forced them to because if they didn't have to vote
for two people the way they did this time, like
Aubrey would have been gone, right because she's on the
bottom socially and she's not a benefit physically, so she
would have been out. So I'm glad that they complicated it.

(16:49):
And suddenly, you know, the way they picked their partner,
which was based on surviving a challenge, became a social
game factor, which I love.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, it's been it's very It's the layers are are
really interesting because again then there's the other one where
I'm learning where it's like now that everybody who's getting
kicked off is on the jury, so you can't really
overtly screw people over because then they're never going to
vote for you at the end.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
So it's you've got that whole other level. You see
that with like with Coach because they have to deal
with him. So like even though like Rizzo is kind
of like coaches, you know, he had to play. He
had to go to Coach and talk to him and
be like I don't know what do you think or
you know, like every or actually no, he went to Joe.
He didn't go to Coach. But still, like they have
to They can't just be Dix to Meach out there, right,

(17:35):
They've got to be somewhat hey, I'm doing it. Which
to that point, this next scene was I Love, which
is Ozzy telling Tiff that he voted for yeah yep,
which was like, to me, really honorable thing. And he's like,
I had to do it to a piece coach. I
have to work with Coach right now. I want to
chop his head off eventually. And you know, but and
I think that's the greatest move. And you see her

(17:56):
just go like thank you, like I'm gonna work with
Ozzy now, Like you know, there's a loyalty to that too,
because it's I'm actually Ozzy with the type of person
that he is.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
When he's like, I will never put your name down again,
he won't. He won't. So it's like you get you know,
you've got one person there where it's like, Okay, that's
one person I don't have to worry about cause I
know that guy's going to keep his word and he's
never gonna go find.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
And isn't that funny that that's where I go Like
whenever Coach is like onder an integrity, it's like yes,
but like Ozzie's actually living that, yeah, And sometimes that
means telling somebody you screwed up, which I think Coach
is pretty incapable of do it, which is like exactly
what Ozzie does in this situation is like I did this,
and of course Joe does it.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Later on this getting a little tired of hearing you
talked a bad about the Dragon Slayer, a.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Boat shows up. It tells them they got to split
into pairs.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
I was so excited by the way I thought it
was going to be the thing you told me about
where you're like the auction, because they're like, is an ation,
isn't that?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I was like, Oh, this is the thing Rider was
talking about. They'll get to it. It's going to happen
for sure. The auction is the best.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I can't wait, all right.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
So then a couple of people, well are immediately like
I want to be the odd person out, which I
think is a smart move because like, clearly the odd
person out is going to not be a part of
the challenge, which seems likely that you would be safe, right,
But a couple episodes ago, no one wanted to be
the odd person out. That was to go on a
journey by themselves without yah. The odd person out in

(19:20):
this case was you're right, so that was a boat
coming to take somebody.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Away to Exile Island or no, that was just a separate.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Mission, but that they wouldn't know what was on the
other side of it, whereas in this case they were
going to the challenge. Everybody else had to pair off
to go to a challenge, and the person who was
the one person was going to be not part of
the challenge. That's all they knew. They didn't know anything
about Exile Island. Yet they didn't know, and I think
they they just intuited that that means that if you're
not competing for immunity. You're probably immune, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(19:50):
So multiple people wanted to do it. They ended up
pulling from the shot in the dark and Surri got picked,
so she's out. And then you know, there was this question,
how do you pick your Honestly, if I was there,
I would have voted to or I would have argued
that they all should do a random because like there's
just no way of knowing what picking your pair is

(20:10):
gonna mean.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
But again, Jonathan and Christian, it's kind of like, Okay,
we got Brandon Braun, what else could That's what they.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Decided to do. So they decided to mingle and you know,
pick their teams. I love Devon's and Aubrey is probably
the least strategic one because they're not as good for
a challenge. But then they did well.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
I say they did well, but you, right or strong
are part of that team. You're there with all those people.
You don't know what the challenge is. Who's your partner?
Ozzy's your first one? Interesting?

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I think so, because I'm not good enough at like
physical challenges. But well, I don't know in this scenario, God,
not knowing, I mean it's hard, especially now knowing what I,
you know, but who like I don't know. It really
depends on who. I would like to think that I
would be friendly with everybody, right, I mean, i'd like
to think that i'd be so assuming I'm in everybody's

(21:01):
good graces. I think i'd probably be in a position
similar to like, I don't know who am I most
like in terms of gameplay at this point. I don't know, Man,
I think i'd probably be mostly like a Christian.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
I was gonna say, I think you're most like probably
most like a Christian, which is like.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Not physically a complete liability, but also probably not gonna
win individual challenges by myself, but but well liked and
in a sort of like alliance position with a bunch
of different people. So yeah, So I don't know, I
don't know who i'd pick, but who to Christian end
up with?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Jonathan?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, so I'd probably go for super physical.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
That's what I'm saying. If you're in a giant tea,
if you're in a challenge with where you need a partner,
I don't know what the survivor challenge is going to be,
but unless it's be as small a guy as you
possibly can, I'm gonna pick Jonathan basically every time. But
you know what I mean, It's like, why would you
not want to take the giant guy with the huge
musclers who's won most of the stuff.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
And I think my specialty would be puzzles, so like Christian,
I would probably be pick by somebody who is not
as good as puzzles like Jonathan. So yeah, yeah, but
I love the the Devon's in Aubrey. She refers to
them as the hot Mess Express, which I just want
that express, all right. Ozzie then throws out Devon's name

(22:21):
to Jonathan and Joe, talking about getting rid of him,
which is interesting at this this is where like everybody's
starting to target that middle ground, which I was like, Ah,
Coach tries to talk to Tiff, claims that he didn't
push for her name, which we know is complete crap. Yeah,
he literally went around telling everybody they had to vote
for her.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'm sorry, I have a quick question. You're talking about
the middle. So if there's a middle, there's a bottom,
who's at the bottom.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Nobody?

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Actually, I think that's what's interesting, Like there's no there
is no there's no Bore's.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Two alliances on either side basically it's not really a
top bottom in the middle. It's like a left, right
and middle situation. I think that there's strong alliance on
either side and everyone's aware of that, and these four
in the middle could kind of go either way. They
just socially aren't like paired off. Yeah, which really the
middle should be working as a team.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
The four of them joined, make a team and then
join one of the other teams.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yes, if they grabbed I don't know two or three
people on their own, but they obviously just haven't solidified
their relationships with the same degree as these other guys.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, I would join up with the four people in
the middle. I would pick one of the sides and
then pick off the entire other team and then figure
it out when that dost settles.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
So Coach basically tries to have the moment that Ozzie
had with Tiff, and it just doesn't go as well
because he can't say I made a mistake, I will
vote for you, I will never No, he just says
I didn't do the thing you think I did, even
though it's exactly what he did. And when she was like,
well then who pushed my name, he can't answer.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
And this is where the editing was beautiful because I'm
hoping he actually said something in real life, but they
just held on him not saying anything.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
I know, I had the exact same question, dude. I
was like, is this just editing because it makes him
look really flailing? Yep, like I would have assumed he
would at least tried to answer.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
If you're walking over there to have this conversation, you
must have at least partially crafted the lie in your
head already.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
I know. I'm so curious what Coach is saying today
now that the episode's been released.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
I thought the same thing where I was like, I
wonder if they just edited it to where he just
literally doesn't say anything, and then she's like, well, it's
makes him look horrible, Yes it does. Yeah, I'm so curious.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
So into the challenge, we go double duo. Only one
vote could take down or getting voted out would take
down a pair, which is just making this choice a
partner so important socially in a way that nobody expected.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
But it got a little confusing because they could still
vote individually for other people. Yes, but whoever got the
most votes the team goes away. So I was like, okay,
that was a little like, all right, I had to
follow that a little bit well, and they don't really
play that out.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
The only way that that really plays out is when
Coach plays a shot in the dark, right, Because when
I when she did that, I was like, Christy, why
aren't you playing yours? Because then they would have had
two chances of being safe?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Oh and are you not?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Were they not allowed to both do? I think she
was hedging her bets and hoping to save her shot
in the dark for a later time. So they were
basically like, one of us should play her shot in
the dark, and she was going to save hers for
But in retrospect, she should have just freaking played me, yeah,
because then they would have had two out of six chances, yeah,
or two out of twelve chances as opposed to one
out of six. So yeah, she walked away. She lost. Anyway,

(25:43):
we're Joe getting ahead of ourselves. But yeah, I think
that really what the fact that they had individual votes
means that they could have, like they all decided to
sort of stick with their partner, but they could have
actually like Christy could have gone behind Coach's back.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Well yeah, no, no, it's no benefit. No, there would
have been no, but there were certain people like was
it who said, uh, I will not write coaches name
down out of Prince Joe. It was Joe's Joseph, like,
I'm not gonna write coach his name down.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
It's like, okay, So his partner could have said I'm
gonna write you or I'm gonna write coach his name
and you don't, so you say a face.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
He just wrote chrissy, so he if Yeah, he just
wrote chrissy knowing that coach was going to get voted
off anyway.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
But any one of principle was This is the exactly
the question that I had about the end. I couldn't
keep track of who voted for. Okay, See that's super clever. Yeah,
so then he's like honored integrity, holding true but clearly
screwing him. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I said I wouldn't write your name down, and I didn't,
but never did because he wrote his partner's name down
and they were repair. So you wrote his name down
without having to write. You had your cake and aid
it too.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I could see coach bringing that up in the jury.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yes, you had your cake and ad it too. It's
exactly what That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Okay, that explains my confusion because I was like, who
voted for coach? Because they you know. I was like, okay,
got it all right? So the challenge, I think this
is one of my favorite challenges I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I agree, this was cool.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Every one of these. I was like, this is cool
and it felt well balanced, Like every every partnership. I
was like, actually, it didn't really come down to a
so much bron and so much puzzle. It was like
braun and brain. It was a balance. I was like, oh,
and it really was about team communication all the way,
which was so cool. Like that seems like the point,

(27:30):
especially considering these guys had chosen their partners, you know,
and sometimes been stuck with a partner. It was. It
was just a great dynamic.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
There was actually no braun in this. It was really physicality,
but you didn't need to be. Being big was of
no benefit in this one.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
You're right, no strength, no strength or even really endurance. No,
you needed some some agility, some hand eye coordination, right,
which Coach apparently did not have.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
No. And then basketball like, man, that's the other thing.
You need communication And yes, this is what's what's the
old saying. It's slow ast smooth smooth as fast.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Slow as smooth smooth is fast.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, so it's like, you know, the slower and the
smoother you went, the faster you actually finished the challenge,
which which worked unless you And that's the other thing.
By the way, The other thing I learned from this
episode is if there's a pick up basketball game, coach
is not the guy you picked to be on it.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
His name is Coach. Couldn't make a basket, He couldn't
have made the mask. He admitted, he was like, basketball
is not my sport. Like, okay, so what is what
do you coachchi? Like, what do you He's your yoga coach,
That's what he's the coach he is. Oh he's a
soccer coach. Okay, okay, right, well there you go. He's

(28:45):
definitely not a haiku coach because he can't even do that.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
He is not.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
All right, tosses. You got to toss the ball through
a thing basketball style, catch it on the other.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Side after dodging the DoD yep, cool, Uh.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Remade it out of the gate faster than everybody, which
was so cool. Coach took forever. Then this cool paddle
pass thing, which was like, yeah, Joe and Tiff made
it through that.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
They all made it unless they edited this in a
certain way. They I thought this was going to take
a lot longer than it did. And there were some
guys who were like they were passing it to each other.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, I mean it was.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
There was some good hand eye coordination in this one.
I was impressed at how fast they got through that.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
I was it was cool to watch. Ye, yeah, it may.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
At that part, I was like, we have to do
one of your game days where we do this kind
of challenge.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
I agree, man, I'm sure there are like party companies
that set up these kinds of challenges and.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
A part we should would be so into it done.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
I would like it. And we should make it like
an exercise goal, right, like to get in shape to
be able to do some crazy ass challenges.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
We'll do a Survivor like Saturday. It'll be fun, dude,
I'm so in Okay good yeah, So, and we should
just do this exactly this just this is cool.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah yeah, all right. Then they had to build a bridge,
you know, And this is where it's it's clearly all
about communication. Like all of these are like can these
can these partnerships work? So at the end of this one,
teams are eliminated. So what we ended up with was
Joe and Tiff.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
I'm sorry, I had one question. Did they explain did
you have to do the boards one at a time?
Like could you just bring the entire thing up there,
like carry all eight of them up there and then.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Just try to the board the same thought, because that
it made no sense to me why it seemed like
they could only have one at a time, the leader,
the person calling could only have one at a time,
because yeah, I agree, dude, Like even at the end
it was like, there's three left, just bring all three
over here and we'll PLoP them down. So yeah, I
had the same thought. It must have been you had
to do one at a time. Yeah, yeah, all right.

(30:57):
So it was Joe, Tiff, Stephanie of Aubrey and Devins,
and yeah, I was just looking at these teams. I
was like, yeah, this is so well rounded, this is
so interesting. Then they had to do this thing paddle
raising out of a cage with this little ball and
then the maze, and I thought this was just truly exciting.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
The cage, especially when I first saw it, I didn't
realize they put the like the chicken wire essentially in there.
I thought you just had to hold the battle and
go up, but no, you've got to have one person
balance while the other person then goes up like step
by step ladder style all the way up. Was great
and how.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Cool was it that it was sort of like a
mini version of what they had already done with a
big paddles and a big balls, So it was like
they were kind of teaching themselves how to do it.
And I think watching Joe and Tiff, who won this
like wonderfully, they fell behind at this point in the cage,
so they were the last people to get to the maze.
But exactly to your point about slow and smooth, smooth

(31:56):
as fast. By the time they got to the maze,
I feel like they were just vibing with each other
so well that they like they just were communicating, whereas
the other teams did better or quicker. Then they got
to the maze, and the maze was just you had
to just feel it.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
They were still in that adrenaline rush of the last one,
and it was very jerky and it was yeah, and
they just weren't.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Like feeling each other's bodies to the same degree, whereas
like TIF and Joe just came through and you saw
by the end of this challenge they were like bonded,
Like even the way they hug at the end of
the challenge. I'm like, oh, these two like look like
a couple now, like they were like physically like like bonded.
And that's why when they go to the dinner the
reward thing, he's like, I'm with you to the end.

(32:36):
I'm like, yeah, dude, because you guys came through this
shit together, like they really just it worked.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
I didn't realize how hard that was until I saw
the ball go off the back and I'm like, oh,
it's off the back too, like you have to. It
doesn't bounce back. There's no little wall. If you go
far too far, you're done.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
You got to start over again.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
I was like, oh my god, yeah, and I don't
care how good your verbal skills are. That's a body
thing to be able to communicate that when you're holding
half of that thing and you just have to feel
each other's fine and be like, oh my god, so great.
It's like dancing partner more than anything.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Do you remember the game with the two metal bars
that you then have the metal ball in between, and
you got to like, I can't do that. Yes, it
was like that on a horrible scale.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
It was right.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
That reminded me of right where each of you are
holding one side. Yes, oh my god, yeah exactly. Now
you have to play with two people. Yeah, tough, tough game.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
So Joan and Tiff took it, which is awesome to watch. Meanwhile,
on Exile Island Excon Island Island, Coconut Island, Coconut Island.
Oh man, this was brutal. Arrives finds two thousand coconuts.
So my first thought was porcery and then also poor

(33:51):
crew that had to set up, Like how did you distribute?

Speaker 2 (33:55):
That's like you know, you know that that was like
probably four pas given this to k Yeah. If there's lucky,
there's four. If not, it's just you and somebody else
right here.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
They don't get any of the glory, no chance at
a million dollars. They're getting paid minimum, which hoping for
a real story producer job down there, exactly, And.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
You're not getting two thousand coconuts on one boat. You're
going back and forth and back and forth and back
and forth.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, I wonder, I'm so curious how what the hiring
practices on Survivor are. Do you think they're hiring locals
or do you think it's all imported crew.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I would hope it's at the very least a good
balance of the two.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I do too, But I'm you know, so maybe people
don't realize is that, you know, when you usually when
you go to another country or when you go to
another state, Uh, there's you have to hire locals as
part of entertainment. Like if you're doing a film and
a company in Canada, a certain percentage of the crew
is to be Canadian. And every every country and every

(34:51):
state sort of sets their own precedence for the So
I'm so curious what Fiji sets is their rules first,
and you know, because they probably give tax breaks or
they give incentives to get Survivor to stay there.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
They've been using that same set now for so long.
They're probably some of the locals have probably been done
ten seasons of this already. Yeah, it's like they have
a local crew that's been there for a while. Yeah,
we got to find those people. I want to interview
some crew people.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
I know. And because you see the boat, the people
that will drive the boats look like locals, right, and
they never talk, so oh, here we go. Okay from Google,
Survivor typically employees approximately four hundred local Fijians for each
season of production. That's good, incredible, that's awesome. Okay, wow,
four hundred that's huge. That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Think about when we went to Gets with the Stars,
the number of people that crew was on an easy
stage that wasn't even a huge stage. Now put it
on a giant island in another country. You need there's
probably thousands of people that make that shit.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Right because they have to like be on they have
to be like coordinating different sides of the island. Yeah,
that's crazy, all right. So hopefully there were like a
good one hundred people setting these coconuts at least, and
they did it in twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
You'd hope, but I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
I have a feeling they probably gave this to like
ten people to have to set up.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
By the way, this episode more than any other, I
can see why she's so good at this game and
why people love her. Sari just you just just love her,
and you're like, I want I don't know, I just
want you to win. I don't know anything else.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I just want you to win, and you see how like,
not only does the audience love the show loves her
because she is such a commercial for like how great
Survivor is because you see her like, you know, I
guess the thing about Siria is that she is she
is unfiltered, like she is very raw and yet still
a good player socially, you know, which is a really

(36:38):
hard because it's like it seems like people either hold
their cards so close to their chests that you start
judging them because they're lying to people, are manipulated, or
they're so emotionally open that you just their suckers like
an AUSI, or you know, they're just like here's who
I am. I can't lie, And she somehow manages to
be both in the same person.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
You know.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
You see her like breakdown in this moment, crying just
full on and not being ashamed or embarrassed by it,
but just powering through, and you're like, oh oh when
they were showing the older clips of her on the show,
because of course I'm not familiar with any of this,
And she keeps falling off the balance beam and then
she crosses and like you could tell all of the
other contestants were there holding the beam for her, helping her,

(37:18):
and then cheering her on how do you vote against
somebody like that?

Speaker 2 (37:22):
I know? So, I mean you can see why she's
such a powerhouse. And at this episode alone, I was like,
oh god, now, and now I hope she wins.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
You want to win?

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I do.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I just want her to win. And not only that,
like not only the empathy and the emotional connection that
you're talking about, but when she gets back to camp,
she sets the she just immediately changes everybody's strategy and
they're like, that's actually a really good call.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
And they're like, thank god she's back. Thank god she's back.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
It's like, oh my god. Exactly, she's so good.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
She's got to hold the power but also holds your
heart and you're like, oh my god. It's like it'd
be like if the old woman at the end of
Titanic turned around and she actually had crashed the vote herself.
You know, it was like that was like, really it
was her the whole time. Come on, Yeah, that was awesome.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah. So she finally, after I don't know how long,
but it looks hot and miserable, she finds the phoenix
on the coconut like so when she first started, I
was like, man, I would just walk the whole beach
without turning individually each one, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Like, I would just do a quick walkthrough. How long
do you think the hourglass was? You think it was
an actual hourglass? You think she had an hour to
find it?

Speaker 1 (38:24):
That's a good Again, we don't know. There's no sucks.
I want some time.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I want a tie rack on there. It's like, did
she have five or ten minutes to do it or
she have four?

Speaker 1 (38:34):
I don't know to do it. I mean I think
she made what I would was actually I guess a
rational assumption, which is that she had to keep flipping
over each coconut. That's what she assumed she had to do.
But when they show the shot of the coconut with
the phoenix on it, it's actually just right there, exposed
on the side. So I was like, just do a
walk around, just walk around real quick, like or a

(38:54):
jog through all of them and see if you can
spot it without having to go one by one.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
I was also worried when she started to do the
football hike where she's just hiking kind of between her
legs behind her. It's like well, if you don't find
them in that direction and you've got to go back
to where you're hiking, you're not going to know the
ones you looked at compared to the ones you didn't.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
So that one that was I was like, oh, this
is this is one of these. You don't see these
kinds of things on Survivor often. This is the kind
of thing that really sucks. On Amazing Race, they do
a lot of these, not so much anymore, but they
have in the past done a lot of these kinds
of things where it's like a scattered bunch of tiles
in a Roman cathedral and you have to flip over

(39:32):
and and you see some people just get stuck there
for like six hours because they just missed the one thing,
and it really is not fun to watch and not fun,
and it kind of sucks because you're like, those people
are really good. They just got unlucky. They picked the
wrong corner where they just skipped over there and it's
the needle in the haystack. Is you know, I guess

(39:53):
maybe the phrase that you would call this kind of challenge.
I don't like them. I think they suck.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
You know, the easiest way to find a needle in
a haystack, though, wind No, you just burn down the haystack.
Oh yeah, if you if you have access to a match,
that's what's what you do. And then what's left is
the needle and a bunch of ash and a bunch
of ash. Right, what if you're in a what if
you're in a room with the windows, You just might
suffocate yourself in that process, But that's the way to

(40:18):
do it. If you don't have a magnet, you burn
down the haystack.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
All right. Back of camp, Emily uh wants to get
out coaching. Chrissy Rizzo pitches that they go for these
middle floaters who are more dangerous, which ends up kind
of being everybody's strategy until until sirri gets back. Joe
and Tiff have their meal. They're like bonded for life now,
which is great to see. Spaghetti Man, spaghetti and wine.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
You think there's ever a challenge where they win something
and they're like, you know, I'm I don't eat Mexican,
Like do you think that ever happens? Like, sorry, tacos
sound great, but this is not for I don't do cilantro.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Well, that one there was that one season where there
was a vegan or no, she was allergic to a
bunch of stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Oh, this is the one that that Rob I was
telling us about Rob. I think it was Rob, wasn't
it telling me about this?

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Where it was she had a famous meltdown because she
eats at Applebee's. Yeah, she had like all these weird
gluten free allergies and yeah, so mean. But I'm not
sure she ever actually missed. She just missed out that
time where she was so pissed. But I'm not sure
if she actually skipped out on meals when she went
to them. I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
And I can tell you, I will guarantee you you
you do not eat a single meal on that island
that does not have sand in it, not one every there.
You know there's you're just like, damn it, there's sand
in my spaghetti, there's sand in my whatever. Yeah, you
know that there's sand in everything.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yep. All right. So then Tiff says to Joe, don't
take out Coach and Chrissy. So everybody's sort of that
seems to be everybody's strategy up at first. Meanwhile, Chrissy
has to tell Coach not to do haikus or sings
sit down.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
And shut up, that's all she's saying. She's like, just
shut uh oh, good advice.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Meanwhile, Chrissy starts making the moves to get Rizzo, to
get Aubrey, and Devn's is the ones to go out.
Coach has to zip his mouth shut literally and does
his you know, he says it's a travesty to keep
the dragon slayer down this way. But luckily he has
a quote. He's not sure who it's from, whether it's Sunsu, Nietzsche,

(42:30):
or maybe the famous financial advisor Chris Varlas you dumb,
he just like collects quotes. You could not pick three
thinkers that are more un alike exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
It's either Nietzsche, Yoda.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Nietzschi, who's a philosopher who questions the nature of reality
and all morality. Nietzsche's whole thing is to rise above
any challenge, like basically, don't play a game, b make
your own rules. Sunzu is how to like the how
to stick to rules, and like right, how to manipulate rules.
And then Chris Warless is a financial advisor who's as

(43:07):
far as I can tell, if you're a financial advisor,
it's be conservative and like don't take any risks, so like.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Just it was either Pope Pius the second or Cindy Lauper,
who said.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
It was either my aunt or Plato, I don't knows,
like like talk about disparate sources of wisdom. It was
either a four year old I talked to once at
the playground or my great great or Nietzsche like dums.
So he says, the essence of strategy is the mindset
to do nothing. I did look this up. Turns out

(43:41):
it's none of these three thinkers, some other financial advisor,
not Chris Warless or whatever. So bravo. Coach Seri comes
in flips everybody everybody's game. Yeah, It says, like, hey,
children who don't know what to do, you take out
two powers Coach and Chrissy because we have an opportunity

(44:02):
to take out yeah too people, which is so smart.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Of course, I can't believe there was even another conversation
going on. It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
But Rizzo does feel that he has to tell Joe,
and this is the moment that I did fall in
love with Rizzo because he isn't just a strategic player.
He is still trying. He knows the way Joe is
gonna feel and he knows that he has to be like, hey,
I know, even though it would be easy to blindside
Joe and just get the vote, I have to tell
him I'm going to do this thing and try and

(44:32):
get him on my side, which because he knows Joe.
It's not the way Rizzo plays, but he knows the
way Joe plays, and he's doing it right.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Well. Remember the other guy who came for Rizzo before.
The reason he came for him, I don't even remember
his name now, unfortunately, but the reason that he came
for him was because Rizzo, oh sorry, Charlie, was because
Rizzo didn't vote for his partner of the whole last round.
So obviously loyalty maybe not the greatest thing in the
world for Rizzo, but he showed here, and I think

(45:01):
maybe he learned from you think, possibly from a past
mistake where it's like, Okay, I want to make it
to the end. This guy's got to be on the jury.
I don't want to see he's gonna he would vote
for me solely because I told him the truth, And
so I think maybe he's again trying to think a
few moves ahead.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
He's good, he's learned. He's learned. Yeah, and then we
are treated to a song. Oh, I love to be

(45:38):
the dragon slayer, but don't cross me if you dare.
And I'm going to tribal tonight, but I won't go
down without a fight. Those people who doubt me will
get their comeuppance. Oh that didn't rhyme will get their
comeuppance tonight.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
I like how he rhymed tonight with tonight. It really
kind of sold me on the whole song. That was
either bon Jovi, No, I'm kidding, it was either bon
Jovia Plato, It's two Lado, it was Socrates, or it
was Billy Ray Cyrus. I can't remember which one, but yeah,
it was. He's so and he admits it. He's like,

(46:14):
I can't, I can't. He has Diary of the mouth,
like I can't stop talking. I just this is me
and the camera's on me. He knows the cameras on him.
He's like, I'm an entertainer. I can't take the back seat.
I have to take center stage. I can't stop talking.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
And I think, like, I you know, I know they
always make they tee it up editing wise, I'm sure
to make the tribal seem more exciting. So I'm assuming
everybody went into tribal knowing how they were going to vote.
But if anybody was on the fence, the fact that
Coach just outright shows I had to keep my mouth
shut all day and then just keeps talking about how

(46:48):
he had to keep his mouth shut because otherwise he
would ever anybody was on the fence, that turn against it.
Like the whole point is to if you're keeping your
mouth shut and sitting in the hammock, don't go to
tribal and blurt out about how you were keeping it.
Just shut up. But he can't help it, and he
talks about a trail Ouzin out of pores and chattering
and fingertip finger fingertips are talking, and I can see

(47:11):
betraying it. He observed everything. He knows everything, because so basically,
even though I kept my mouth shut, I know everything
that's going right.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
And also because once I quieted myself for two hours,
I got the lay of everybody.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
He knows every wow, and I'm telling you all about
it now with my big mouth.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
It is a beautiful kind of narcissism, though, And you
have to imagine, because you know, we talked about this
in the last episode, and a lot of our comments
were either I'm with you one hundred percent or Coach
is the best player in the world. So it's like, people,
you're either team Coach, in which case you love how
great a character he is for a reality show, yes,
or you don't get it. I'm firmly in the don't

(47:52):
get it. I'm sure he's a perfectly nice man in
real life, but the character he chooses is one that's
off putting to me, and I can see how it
would be, especially if I'm I mean, I'll take people
I would never want to be trapped on an island
with for a thousand Alex. I mean, like that's insane.
And so but he he's it's a real It's why
he's a reality star. He's a character.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yep, yeah, totally. So then Devin's makes this big tribal
move which I didn't understand. Oh you know when they
first did it, and then when he did it tonight,
I was like, this is great, brilliant, a great move
just to throw that question mark and every and like
it just made perfect sad. I was like, oh, like
you thought this through because he's like I got a

(48:33):
clue and now I'm going to make my move, and
everybody had to witness it, and it's like it was
just enough of a question mark to throw everyone.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
You know, I honestly, when they hid the fake idol,
I thought they were doing it for someone else to
find it and.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Try to play it. I didn't understand.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I didn't understand it either. So the idea that he
used it like this was was brilliant. I mean, this
was actually it was just enough of a oh God,
maybe I need to change my vote now. And the
question that was going through my head was exactly what
you just said. Do you think everybody already went in
knowing it was going to be Coach and Chrissy? Because
if so, then this didn't do anything. But if there

(49:10):
was even a shadow of a doubt, this is all
you need, was that one little e. This is why
I can't wait to find I can't wait to hear
what they say next week, you know. And I'm curious
because the downside did this is Aubrey right like his partner,
because she was so stoked that he found an idol
that was going to protect them, But then he tells her,

(49:30):
I'm not going to play it because I can't, and
you know, so he keeps the lie going throughout tribal
So I'm very curious how that's going to come off
in the end. I have an idea, but again I
don't know the rules. Do you physically need the idol
to play the idol?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Okay, So the best thing to do then is get
rid of it and then say that someone stole.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
It, say you lost it. But why does he have
to lie to Aubrey? Isn't Aubrey on like with him
in the middle or part of his title line just now?

Speaker 2 (49:59):
But again it goes back to why tell somebody something
you don't have to tell. As far as she knows,
he can't play it till next week. It's still a
real thing. The only other person that knows is Christian,
who hasn't opened his mouth yet. So if Devin's comes
up with my Idol's gone, somebody stole my idol? Who
did it? And starts turning people on each other when
it was a fake idol to begin with, it's a
great way to just sow more discontent among everybody. And

(50:22):
he doesn't have to then play it. He doesn't have
to get to the idea that they faked it.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
That's some So I mean, I honestly, I think what
he's planning to do is to try and find the
real idol that's back on the island, because there is
one back in play, because who had it because Aubrey
played it last week? Right, so that when somebody plays
an idol, it goes back. Right. Oh, so there's an
idol hidden on the island. Probably Okay, it does it
always go back? No, wait, hold on, in this case,

(50:48):
that's not true because it's a Billie Eilish idol, So
that didn't once it got played.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I was hoping we were going to get through the
whole episode without saying Billie Eilish Island. We didn't.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
No, okay. I was trying to remember. If they with
it in their pocket, then it goes back to the
person who gave it, right, if they play it, it
just goes back out. Yeah, So it's back on the island.
So I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to get
back scramble to try and find an idol and then.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Say that that was the idol he got a try
on riz, God has the other Billie idol?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Right, okay?

Speaker 1 (51:17):
And Ozsi that's right, and Asie and Surri which is
and Saria is an advantage. So the three of them
were like the power team, right, so we have the
extra vote? Yes, wow, man, I know there are the
three of them are like sitting pretty actually, And there's
this moment like there are times when I am like
so glad that I have a kid who keeps me

(51:39):
in touch with the the slang. Because Rizzo said something
that was so gen z.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Oh god, what does he say?

Speaker 1 (51:46):
That was cinema? Is that right? That?

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I mean, like, oh my god, that was something that
could have been in a movie. Yes, Oh god, okay,
I've never even heard that before.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I love the Indy says that all the time. He
goes he says it kind of jokingly, he goes absolute
Cinema and he's he does it. He started doing it
to make fun of me because I talk about movies
so intensely. But he I was like wait, and I
thought he was just made that up. He's like, I
don't no kids say that all the time, like absolute cinema.
And then so when Rizza said this, I was like,

(52:15):
oh my god, he's such a kid. He's still he's
like closer to my son than I am to him.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah, oh you know what I mean, of course, but
it was like my brain just had.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
That moment of like, oh right, culturally, yeah, twenty five
Rizzo's like my son and him are like much closer
to each other culturally, say I am to this. That's
so interesting. Yeah, but anyway, I do like it because
the fact that cinema is a positive thing makes me
very happy because it closer culturally.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
They're actually closer in age than you two.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Know, a cumcual thing that makes it. That's the more
shocking thing because I still think of like us in
the adult world and Indian the kid world. So to
see someone who's in the adult world, a twenty five
year old still kind of tethered to the kid world
in this way or closer, I'm like, ah, anyway, but
I do like that cinema is a positive thing, that
that's become a positive adjective.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
And d came out and I don't you know again,
I normally liked it. She gets to watch talk about
how people look, but she was gorgeous. Oh my, we see.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Well that's the best part about the juries. You get
to see people after they've eaten and showered and it's
hysterical and they get to pick their clothes.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
And her dress like everything looked great. She walked out.
I was like, oh my god, she's staggering looking.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
That's the best part about tribal is like watching the
jury come in and like what they choose to wear. Like, oh, coach,
next week is gonna be ah, I wouldn't be surprised
if he comes in a sarong or yes, he's gonna
be wearing a crown, probably a crown of thorns.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Right, Oh god, No, just a full dragon slayer outfit,
like a like a like a cha mail, the full
chain mail, a broadsword.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
He will have a sword, exactly. Great, all right, So
then Jonathan starts whispering it's a live tribal uh. Then
we get the good old Magellan quote. Let's pull out
another quote from the coach, which is it was a
nice quote actually, that you have to take the risks,
leave your shores. And then he makes the joke that

(54:10):
you know he was bludging too death in the Philippines.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yes, but that is a very long way to say
a much earlier quote, which is just fortune favors the bold.
That's that's the quote. That's been around forever in ancient
Latin and Greek, and so it's like you're taking fifty
words to do something that was done eons it.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
You don't sound as cool and fun and intelligent. He's
so well read, Like do you think people sit around
are like man Coach. He's so wise, he's read so
many books.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
I'm sure where he's just googling.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Well, that's what I'm The guy who does this kind
of stuff is the guy who literally memorizes quote books
but then can't remember which quotes he has, like the
calendar that's like a quote a day, and he's like,
that's that's not the same thing as actually reading Nietzsche,
Like there's no doubt in mine, Like I have read Nietzsche.
I have like you know, and I'm geared to you.
This guy Coach has never written.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Of course, you know, I'd like to quote something from
an author named May twenty first.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
It's like it's like, no, what what that's not right?
All the names underneath the quote. I love it he does.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
He has a quota day calendar at.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
The service level of a deep thinker, right, It's like
the like, let me show you how deep I am
with my most surface presentations exactly pretty much. That's that's
kind of my least favorite thing.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Yes, yeah, I know, I get it, I get it.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah, all right, Well, Christy and Coach are voted out,
which I do like. After this very entertaining Coach episode,
I kind of wanted to stick around, but no, ultimately
I am glad. I am glad they are gone. Chrissy.
Chrissy has not been very interesting to me. I know,
she's not stood out in many ways. I don't think
she's played very well, and Coach just bugs the hell

(55:53):
out of me. And I don't like Yeah, I don't
like not. I mean, it's one thing to talk about
his personality and stuff, but I truly like even taking
the keys from Oussie in the beginning, which was reference
and it's a bummer man, like this is not the
way I would play yep.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
But and again it's like the equivalent of somebody who
lives their life saying they're a religious person but then
is actually a shit. Yes, And it's that same kind
of thing where it's like you you talk about being
it's all about respecting to that, and then you kind
of do underhanded stuff and and and so it's yes,
and he's got to blame everybody else for it, right.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
I only played as a dragon Slayer because of what
tifted or he did.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
And it's like, shut up, Ozzie crushed his back getting
those keys and you swooped in it. Now again, had
you said you were going to do that at the beginning, right,
every man for themselves? Right, fine, then then do that,
but don't be like I'm playing with honor.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Or Just say hey man, I'm sorry, but this is
the way I play in cities like I play with
honor and integray. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
It's yeah, I know, you know, yeah, very strange.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
All right, well, I'm assuming you don't have a Survivor
of the week.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
You would assume, wrong, sir, I'm wrong because it's Will
his This is this history of survivors and stuff and
survive woohoo, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
This week.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
I'm just getting this right from my brain, but I
have to type in my code before I can get
to my brain. Is of course, Uh the eighteen twenty
three frontiersman Hugh Glass who endured Do you.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Know Hugh Glass? Is this what the revenue is based on?

Speaker 2 (57:27):
No? It was actually what's eating Gilbert Grape. No, yes,
it is, of course The Revenant, and I just randomly
picked another Leonardo DiCaprio movie. This is what The Departed
was based on. He endured one of history's most harrowing
ordeals after being mauled by a grizzly bear and abandoned
by his companions, a rapie grizzly bear.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
If you watched A Revenant, this is a rapier bear.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
He did, he had, he had some issues. Against all odds,
Glass crawled more than two hundred miles, which, in eighteen
twenty three means you don't know where you live anymore
through unforgiving wilderness to reach safety. His epic survivor, marked
by tenacity and resourcefulness, has inspired countless retellings in books
and film, including the celebrated movie.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
A Revenant, which I did not love. Do you like
the Revenue?

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Eh? It was fine.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
I don't like movies that are like, let me let
me show you how hard something is by making it
hard for you to watch. Yeah, let's be as unentertaining
as possible to show you intensity.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I get why, I get, I get what happened, you know,
I get why you won all that stuff. But I'm
also not a big film guy. The older I'm getting,
I'm getting just more into movies than films. Just be schlocky,
wash over me for ninety minutes and let me get out.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
So you don't want absolute cinema, absolute absolutely eating a liver,
needing a real liver, absolute cinema, No, not for me.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
My biggest problem with The Revenant actually, honestly is it's
shot everywhere but North America because they were chasing, they
were like strong going, like in terms of the landscape
because of global warming, and it never looks like North
American landscape to me, and that like really bugs me.
It's wilderness, but it's like and it's like, this is

(59:11):
supposed to be this like Western American story, and I
was just like, I don't recognize the trees, I don't
recognize the mountains. It just always felt like a foreign
landscape to me, which it was. It's like shot in
Peru mostly or like South America, a lot of play.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
And I'm like, still not as good as a twist
as Titanic, though I didn't see that ending coming at all.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Yeah, yeah, it's like yeah, whole boat goes down. Wow,
I know, it's crazy I know nuts well you've been
listening to pod meats swirled. The torches may be snuffed,
but our questionable analysis burns on. We'll see you next
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