Busy Philipps Meets World

Another meeting of the Young Hollywood Support Group is in session, and leading today’s meeting is none other than Busy Phillips!

Busy shares stories from the set of her first show, Freaks & Geeks, where she hung with Linda Cardellini and was encouraged to creatively contribute. Imagine that! 

We also return to Dawson’s Creek, another quintessential ‘90s show she starred in, but mysteriously disappeared in for the 2-part finale.

Plus… we dive deeper into the cinematic Busy Phillips universe, from the criminally underrated “The Gift” to the always mentioned “White Chicks.” All on a new, and exciting, episode of Pod Meets World!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I dropped Indy off at school this morning, and uh,
on the way home, I was like, I am so
happy right now, Like I'm so excited for the day
and I'm feeling all fulfilled, and I'm like, what is it?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Why?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Why am I feeling so good? And then I realized
it's because it's raining. I love it. And have you
guys heard of seasonal effective disorder?

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Sure, the opposite, I have the opposite, right, Okay, you
have happy?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Right? I get so happy too, and I have to Okay,
you're the same way.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
I'm the same way.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
So here's the question.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
And this is I feel like we have so we
might just have a lot of mental health professional listeners,
people who do this for a living and can weigh
in on this. And I'm curious how you guys feel
about it. Is that like just intrinsic to me that
I just like cold weather and rain? Or is it
purely contextual? And if I lived in Seattle, Yeah, and

(01:18):
I was there for like a month, I'd be miserable.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
You think it's purely I did?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:23):
Whatever, you whatever, you constantly have all the time you want,
anytime it changes, it's good, right, So I feel the
same way where I hear it ray like there's nothing
like you wake up in the morning here you hear
the rain on your rat You're still curled up in bed.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's like, oh, this is going to be a magical day.

Speaker 7 (01:41):
But it's also like if you know you're having a
storm that weekend, and then for just that weekend, you
change your plans. We're not going to go out, We're
going to stay in fires hot cocoa. Let's order in
some food every if every day for months on end,
you have to go out in the rain, work in
the rain, see your friends in the rain. Like your

(02:04):
clothes are always wet, You've got to take a hat
and your gloves.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
It's like you would just be over it, Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
But then if that's the case, which I pretty much agree,
then shouldn't the goal for all of us humans be
to find its variety and seasons?

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Like shouldn't we want to live places where they're not
too extreme?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
But that's just.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
And it never lasts more than like two months in
one road, right because what ends up happening?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Right, Like everyone in the East.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Coast wants to live in Florida or Phoenix or La
right because they're like especially as they get older.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
It's like that's where everyone retires.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
And I think that's the wrong impulse because then you're
just going somewhere where it's just always hot, always sunny.

Speaker 6 (02:45):
So I was just in Connecticut last week, and Sue
was back in Massachusetts, and we always talk about, like
when we're back there for a very short amount of time,
we're like, man, you know, living here, I could definitely
leave LA and just come. And then we go for
this same week sometimes in August, and the bugs are
insane and the humidity is awful, and they're like, okay,

(03:06):
so I wouldn't want to do the summers. And then
we go in the winter and we're like, oh my god,
it's cold and awesome. And by day four, where all
the snow is gray and it's on everything and you're
stamping stuff out, you're like, well, I don't want to
be here in the winter either, So then you kind
of go that doesn't think it.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Just like spring and spring and spring like spring.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
But the question we literally did this.

Speaker 6 (03:26):
We went on and we were like trying to find
the place of the happy medium, and what we kind
of found is certain parts.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Believe it or not, of Colorado that are.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
Not you're not in the mountains and you're not in
the lower parts of Colorado, but kind of in the
middle right there. You know, two towns of Colorado perfect
perfect weather all the time.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Okay, So that's where we're just gonna have to congregate.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
Is We're gonna have to find the one town in
Colorado that is the perfect weather.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
And go there.

Speaker 7 (03:53):
Is it wrong for me to want to cut this
from the podcast that I just I don't want everyone.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
In Colorado.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
We could commune.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Let's go, I mean the pod meets commune, invite our listeners,
we commune, you know, get it gone.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Danielle can be our cult leader.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
I'm not proposed. I'm not opposed to it.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Is there gonna be weird sex stuff. We've talked about
this sect.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
There gonna be a division.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
I don't want to stop anyone, you know, so like
I would, I was.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
A great leader.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
She she will allow us to form our own little sex.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
Of course it would be the Yes, the Colorado Daniettes
will be on the news, will definitely make the news
as the Colorado is like this is a weird hippie commune.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, because it always ends well with cults. We'll have
a documentary that'll.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Get twenty years from now, there'll be a retrospective that'll
be like what went wrong exactly? Danielle got power hungry,
she did all the pangas.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
She made us all court ballroom dancers. For some reason,
it's like, this is the best workout. This is what
you need to do. Everyone.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Everyone your flexibility?

Speaker 5 (05:02):
How is your flexibility?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Thanks for joining us on Jive Night.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Let's do it all right? Colorado like, yeah, Boulder.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Area, we'll find the area. We'll start the colt.

Speaker 7 (05:16):
What about Montana? I like Montana. Montana have some of that.

Speaker 6 (05:19):
I think some of that. Yeah, we're also more off
the beaten path in Montana. I think we can get
away with more weird cult stuff. And yeah, although I've never.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Been Wow really no, it's one of like the three
states I've never been to. Never been Idaho either.

Speaker 7 (05:33):
So you know, I'm proud of it.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
All right, So we'll start looking at land.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
We're gonna need like probably like five hundred acres if
we're inviting all of our a lot of land, and
Montana than Colorado.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
A lot of Oh that's right, daniel is going to
need a bougie Colt we're gonna be We're gonna be
flowing all our money.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
If you think this.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Col there's prices for weird sex stuff.

Speaker 7 (06:05):
Whatever you guys decide to gift me is is up
to you. I'm not going to ask for anything, but
as your leader, you may feel like you want to
gift me things.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
But like there's no there's no like judgment about it.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Income would be nice to have.

Speaker 7 (06:25):
I mean, tithing is what we do here, and I
will share it with you, you know, I will. I
will like when I buy the private jet, we would
all be able to go on it.

Speaker 6 (06:41):
It all starts like that, and then it's just you
taking the private jets somewhere, riders bearing bodies.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
In the woods. I mean, it's going to get fat
because that's going to be your job.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Oh, I see that. I've just Daniel.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Is gonna be pointing and it's going to be us
doing her. And they'd be like you said there was
a private jet. She's like, there is. It's just not
for you.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
Yeah, it's for me to get out of here when
the bodies are found.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Exactly excited.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
God we got there from seasonal effective disorder.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, I'm happy, guys. Time to start a cult free
show chatter all right in the gutter.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Welcome to pod meets World. I'm Danielle Fischal, I'm right.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Or strong, I'm Wilfredell.

Speaker 7 (07:25):
Hey, it's Danielle Fischle, podcaster, TV director, recent Dancing with
the Stars contestant, and mother of two. But to ninety
percent of the pop culture stratosphere, I am forever to
Panga Lawrence, a character I played from the ages twelve
to nineteen on the nineties family sitcom Boy Meets World.
I spent my entire teenage years on TV, inside millions

(07:49):
of homes and in front of a live studio audience.
From my first kiss to my first haircut, absolutely everything
was caught on camera. So now, thirty years later, it's
time to turn the tables. For my new podcast, teen
Beat with Danielle Fischel, I'll be sitting down with other
celebrities to unearth the details of their untelevised upbringings. Since

(08:12):
their first pimple wasn't broadcast as part of the TGIF
block of shame, the least they can do is share
it with me. Now, I'm asking guests to open their
childhood diaries and reveal embarrassing fashion choices, school crushes, dramatic
friend fallouts, using our nostalgic and awkward pasts as a
roadmap to understand who we are today, and you, as listeners,

(08:35):
will also get to share your stories with us. I
promise we won't laugh too much. So it's time to
make things fair. I gave you my childhood, It's time
I hear yours. Listen to teen Beat with Daniel Fishle
starting on January seventh on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 8 (09:02):
I'm Kristin Davis, host of the podcast Are You a Charlotte?
The most anticipated guest from season three is here the
Tray to My Charlotte. Kyle McGlaughlin joins me to relive
all of the magical Tray in Charlotte moments. He reveals
what he thinks of Trey giving Charlotte a cardboard baby.

Speaker 9 (09:24):
Why would I bring her a cardboard baby? I was
literally I was like, this doesn't track for me at all.

Speaker 8 (09:29):
When he found out Trey's shortcomings, I'm.

Speaker 9 (09:31):
Kind of excited to talk about. You know, I think
he's a guy spends time in Central Park. You know,
he's probably don't need to be some surgery stuff, you know,
And I was like, all this kind of stuff going on,
and they were like yeah, yeah, yeah, fine, and they said,
but he's impotent, and I was like, he's.

Speaker 8 (09:44):
Impotent, and why he chose not to return to it?

Speaker 9 (09:47):
Just like that, they came and presented an idea and
I was like, I get I see it.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's so kind of a one joke idea.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
You don't want to miss this.

Speaker 8 (09:55):
Listen to Are you a Charlotte on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple podcast, Yes, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
It is a rare occurrence that we get offered a
podcast guest who perfectly captures what it felt like to
be a young actor in the wild and wonderful world
of the nineties and early two thousands. Whether it's the auditions,
the heartbreak, the friendships, the rapid fire fame.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
Or the supposed big breaks that.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
Were canceled during season one, they are all topics we
hope to address with honesty and humor on the podcast,
but very little of us have done it as well
or effortlessly as this week's guest. Before she became the
multi hyphen a force she is now, she was also
one of those kids hustling between sets, memorizing lines in
the car, and navigating an industry that didn't exactly hand

(10:49):
out survival guides from Freaks and Geeks to Dawson's Creek.
As a young adult, she was part of shows that
helped define a generation. She's one of those rare people
who can make you laugh, make you think, and make
you feel slightly better about the absolute chaos of your
own youth. Because she has been extremely open about hers,

(11:10):
we love a guest who's lived it, learned from it,
and isn't afraid to give you the whole story. So
please welcome to Pod meets World. Busy Phillips.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Hi, guys, Hi, Hi, thank you so much for being here.
I rilled.

Speaker 7 (11:24):
I have to ask this question. How many people do
you tell to go watch the movie The Gift? Because
it is a criminally underrated masterpiece. I tell everyone about it.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
I'm in it. I know, I'm not even kidding. I
don't think I've ever seen it. What Yeah? And in fact,
my god like my godson, my best friend's son, who's
uh nineteen, Now, I guess woa. He texted me not
long ago and he's like, WHOA, I'm watching the craziest

(11:58):
movie and.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
It's so good in your yes, it's so.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Joel Edgerton right here wrote it and directed it.

Speaker 7 (12:06):
It is an incredible movie. And I literally talk to
everybody about it.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
At some point.

Speaker 7 (12:12):
It comes up like underrated movies that people need to see.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
You've got to see The Gift. Writer will walk us
through this, okay.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
It's a really great movie about a guy who was
bullied or not treated very well as a kid who
comes back into this kind of family's life.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
And Hall and Jason Bateman right correct, and it's kind
of a dream team. It's a thriller, but that's also
got some comedy in it.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
But it is. It's just good.

Speaker 7 (12:44):
It's riveting, and it's criminally underrated and nobody knows about it.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
And I'm always like, you have to see The Gift.
So anyway it I know, it feels like a real shame.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
It is, but I think it was like one of
those times in my life where I had very small children.
I mean, I know it was okay, I had like
like Cricket was still like a baby basically, and and
I was filming Cougartown I think at the same.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
Time, and things going on.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
I did and like, and so I couldn't go to
the premiere of it. And then, you know, I don't
know about you guys as performers as actors, but I
do find it a little strange sometimes to like just
I'm gonna sit down and watch myself. So I never
really saw the movie. Ye, but honestly, you're selling it
to me.

Speaker 7 (13:33):
I want to see I want everyone to watch it
this weekend. It's a rainy weekend in Los Angeles. Just
please put on put on the gift.

Speaker 6 (13:39):
It's a twenty fifteen psychological thriller or a couple encounters
a figure from the husband's past who begins to torment
them with unsettling gifts.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yefts.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
And they had a really I do remember this because
a few people had reached out to me. They had
a really funny marketing campaign where they would they were
finding out I mean, these are twenty fifteen, it's like
sort of the early days of influencing, influencer marketing. But
they like found out weird things about actors and influencers

(14:11):
and sent them get creepy presents, yes, like based on
like things they couldn't have known. I actually remember I
remember the marketing campaign more because I feel like people
were reaching out to me like, what is this That is.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
This thing that you guys are doing.

Speaker 6 (14:25):
You should also not confuse it with the Gift from
two thousand with Kate Blanchette and Holmes.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Is in it? Kate Holmes, isn't that gift? Okay?

Speaker 5 (14:33):
Right?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Gotcha?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
And Hillary Swank?

Speaker 5 (14:36):
Wow Holmes and Swank.

Speaker 7 (14:40):
Yeah, all right, Well, I want to start now that
I've gotten that movie out of the way, I want
to start with your acting origin story. You were raised
in Arizona, right, You were a Scottsdale Chaparral grad.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Yes, that's correct, correct? Was he? You got it nailed?

Speaker 7 (14:54):
It was Hollywood always in your sights growing up.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Were you a theater kid? Yeah, I it at all.
And I like, from the time when I was in
elementary school wanted to I was watching you guys, and
I was like, why am I not there yet? And
my mom was like, because busy, I'm not giving up
my life for you, and I was like, okay, fair, fair,

(15:18):
Now that I have she was a real estate agent,
my dad's an engineer. I mean, they're retired now, but
I really relate to this deeply now because my own
seventeen year old daughter has done some acting, and there's
just nothing worse than being a parent on set.

Speaker 7 (15:36):
I know, I know Rider is also starting to experience
this a little bit.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah, writer, how old is.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Your He's only ten, he's turning eleven. So far, he's
only done voiceover. That's like all we're allowing him to do.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
But yeah, I mean it's mostly I mean since his voiceover,
it's not that bad, but it's pretty boring, and it's
just so hard to keep your mouth shut and you
just have to like go and be like the person
that nobody cares about, nobody wants on the set, and
you just have to sort of be like, yep, here
I am. I guess I'll just read my book and
hope my kid is well directed because I know. Yeah,

(16:13):
and then like there have been times when somebody's not
great at giving him notes and I just want to
jump in and be liked me.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Just wait, I fully did that this summer. I like
actually was like told the director what to say to
her to like so funny, Well.

Speaker 7 (16:31):
You know her better than they do. You know, what's
going to get something out of her more than they will.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Yeah, And I just felt like I could just see it.
I just saw her the wheels turning in her brain,
and I was like, I know exactly what you need
to say to her to get her to do what
you need her to do. Yeah, but it is wild.
So anyway, that was so my mom was like, no, rightfully,
So your parents were all saints, I imagine, and uh

(16:59):
or I don't know, I don't I actually no idea,
but they were also I mean, I read Jeanett McCarty's book, you.

Speaker 7 (17:07):
Know what I mean. We didn't have any of that
experience on this.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
This is fantastic. But uh, I was always planning to
go to Los Angeles for college because I wanted to
start working as soon as I could. And in my
junior and senior year of high school in Arizona, I
like got a local agent and I got a local

(17:34):
commercial and I did this Mattel Toy fair job as
a barbie, a live barbie, which was like an acting
job in quotation marks and.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
What kind of barbie were you?

Speaker 4 (17:48):
I was the Clueless doll from the TV show, The
Clueless TV show that was based on the movie.

Speaker 7 (17:54):
Okay, yeah, that starting show was on for a period
of time.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Correct, Correct, and I was in high school when I heard,
like on you know, the radio, the morning news radio,
that they were casting a clueless TV show, and I
was like, oh, I have to be share. I mean
obviously it was like already cast because I'm in Arizona
listening to it on the news. And that was what

(18:22):
like forced me or what I how I convinced my
mom that I needed to get a local agent because
I was like, I want to audition for the Clueless
TV show, which obviously it was already cast. But then
I got this job being the Clueless doll for Mattel
the next year, and honestly the I met an actress

(18:44):
from LA who was a Barbie girl as well. Her
name is Lisa Guerrero, and she introduced me. When I
moved to LA and I went to Loyal Marymunt University,
she introduced me to the woman that became my first manager.
Oh signed me and then like got my agents and
then it just was like very quick after.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
That, did you slide? Did you slide down the LMU letters?

Speaker 6 (19:07):
No?

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Is that a thing?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Of course?

Speaker 6 (19:09):
That's I got into LMU and was going to go
and so I spent like a week there to figure
out what I was going to do, and everyone's like,
you gotta slide down the letters. So they brought everybody
to the LMU letters and slid down the letters.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
Yeah wait what No, I didn't know about that.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
I wouldn't have done that.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
You can still do it, maybe, you know.

Speaker 7 (19:26):
I was too busy working, never too old to slide
down the lula.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Wait when you went to LMU, were you going for
acting film or were you doing a backup option?

Speaker 4 (19:37):
No, I was going for like I was the theater
major and an English minor. But I was really sort
of like Laser, focused on getting an agent as soon
as I could and trying to start working. And so
the summer after my freshman year, I went and did
a drama program in England and at the Oxford School

(20:01):
of Drama, Like there's summer program. It was really fun
and then, uh, you know who did it? Do you
know the actor Zach knighton do you know Happy Endings?
You know that show?

Speaker 5 (20:15):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
On that show. Anyway, he and I were there together
in England. And then I came back and Lorraine, you know,
I went and auditioned for agents and I got, you know,
a small agency picked picked me up, and then that's
spring that pilot season. I got Freaks and Geeks.

Speaker 7 (20:35):
That's what I was going to ask you. How quickly then,
did you read for Freaks and Geeks?

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, I mean it was right away, Yeah, it was
right away.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
What was that audition process?

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Like it was really fast?

Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:48):
Did you know anything about like did you know of
jud Apatow or Paul Figue No, no, because they I
mean Jud had done Larry Sanders, but I did.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
We didn't have HBO growing up, so I didn't. I
didn't know really what it was. And I think Paul
had just written the movie Heavyweights at the time, but
like I didn't, I didn't know what that movie was.
And I had gone in for a general meeting at

(21:18):
NBC and Grace Wu, who's now I believe the head
of casting for all of NBC UH was one of
the associate casting people at NBC, and she really was
lovely to me and liked me a lot. In my
general meeting and she's like, you know, we have this pilot.
I'll give you the script. You should read it, but
you should definitely go in for it. Alison Jones is

(21:40):
casting it. It's called Freaks and Geeks, and I remember,
like literally remember her pulling the script out and handing
it to me. And I had auditioned for Roswell. That
was the same season as Roswell that my college boyfriend
Colin Hanks got cast on Wow. So I had auditioned
for Alison for Roswell, and so she brought me right

(22:03):
in there was I didn't pre read. You know, guys,
if you're listening to this, I'm sure you know, but
a preread is where you read just for the casting director. Yeah,
so I got to just go straight to the producers.
And I was auditioning for Lindsay Weir for the main
girl because kim Kelly wasn't a character yet in the pilot.
And I did my read and then I think it

(22:25):
was I think it was Paul that was like, hey, busy,
we have this other part. Would you take a look
at it and come back in and give it a shot.
And so, you know, it was like one of those things.
I went outside for ten minutes and then went back
in and did my Kim Kelly audition, which is in
the DVD extras if anybody has them, and uh, and
from that I was cast on the show because they

(22:47):
didn't test that part. I didn't have to screen test
for that part because it was initially just a guest
star for the for the pilot, which is also why
I'm not in the opening credits. But they added me
as a series regular after the show got picked up.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Wait, so you can watch your audition from yea from
back then. How do you feel about it now when
you watch it back? Are you like, oh, that makes sense?
Or are you like what were they thinking?

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Well, it's so funny because I did a podcast like
a year and a half ago and they played it
for me like I hadn't watched it, and so, I mean,
I hadn't watched it in so long and they played
it for me, and I mean, it's really cute. Don't
you die when you look at when you watch yourselves?

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Hmm?

Speaker 7 (23:37):
Yeah, I don't like it. I don't love it. You
don't want, you know, not really.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
For the most part, I love watching myself. I hate
watching both of them.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
Difference.

Speaker 7 (23:45):
That sounds about right. So did you not have to
chemistry test with everyone? Like as the cast was rounding
out there was none of that. You basically just auditioned
for the producers went out for ten minutes, came back
read for Kim Kelly and then that was it.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
You had the job, and that was it. They to
be the job. But what was crazy is that Linda
Cardelini and Linda Cardlini and I have the same birthday,
but she is four years older than me, and she was,
I guess technically like on a break from LMU because
she had been working so much. But so she was
essentially like a senior when I was a freshman, but

(24:20):
she wasn't go actively going to school, but she was around,
like I knew because the theater department, like everybody knew her.
She was kind of like the star of the theater department.
And so I was already friends with her. And I
ran into her at LAX when I was picking up
my boyfriend Colin Hanks and she was picking up her roommate.

(24:44):
And remember when you were young and you had to
pick people up at the airport.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, yeah, well now you're married, I still have to.

Speaker 7 (24:50):
Still doesn't he doesn't do the uber situation. He just
goes and picks people up.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Well, you're maybe a good person.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
I like to think.

Speaker 6 (24:59):
So I love my wife too, She's pretty cool. So yeah,
I'd rather go pick her up.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's rad. Well anyway, I ran into her
and she had just gotten the part, and I had
been offered the part of Kim Kelly, and my agents
at the time were a little bit like, we don't
know if you should do it because it's just a
guest star and it's early in pilot season and we

(25:24):
feel like you're going to get a Silens regular like
a pilot you know, it's like one of those things
where and I really didn't know what to do. But
running into Linda, she was like, dude, I just got it,
and jud told me that you're going to be Kim Kelly.
They want you for Kim Kelly. You go, you gotta
do it. And it just was like as soon as

(25:44):
I saw her and found that out, I was like, oh,
well that obviously this is what I'm doing. Because also
I was so nervous to do my first actual real
job and to have someone like Linda with next to
me or you know, sort of showing me the ropes.
I mean, she taught me everything from like what to

(26:05):
order at craft services to like how to make your
trailer really how to turn on the heat and your
trailer yes, and then like all the on camera stuff
Like she's like, I like to pick a place to
look like, I didn't know, you don't know any of
that stuff. Yeah right, I mean you guys were kids
who taught you our directors.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, on set we were so young, it was like, yeah,
you had to just be told like open to camera,
you know in multicam, like that whole idea of like
pulling your shoulders and standing on your.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Lap, do all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, definitely, definitely, But wait, so you hadn't taken any
like on camera acting classes.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
It was all theater stuff up until then.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, they didn't even like I don't even think that
they kind of I don't think they offered that at LMA,
Like I don't think that was in anything. And I
mean I didn't have a ton of I worked at
California Pizza Kitchen. I didn't like have a ton of money.
So I wasn't like paying to do those classes. You
would see, you know, the film acting or you know

(27:03):
acting for the camera classes. You would like see you
know whatever advertised all over town. Right, So I don't.
I just didn't. And I was a kid. I mean
I was like nineteen, I got Yeah, I was nineteen.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
I'm curious which CPK you worked at?

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Marina del Ray, honey.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
That's so when my brother moved out to Los Angeles
for a year back in nineteen eighty something, that's.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Where he worked.

Speaker 6 (27:27):
We really the marina run the Marina Delway CPK, and
he left with a bunch of recipes and we still
make the bar. I have the barbecue chicken pizza two
nights ago at our house.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
Who has the buttercake recipe? Do they do?

Speaker 4 (27:39):
They offer that?

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Good question, we have we can find it.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Okay, what's the buttercake? What is that from? CPK?

Speaker 6 (27:45):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yeah, so good.

Speaker 7 (27:47):
I get it every year on my birthday and Mother's Day. Wow,
sometimes when it's.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Just a Wednesday and you might get it later today.
And now that we're talking about it, and I just.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Tell you, I really love that. You guys like Alforni
you Pizza Kitchen.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
It's one of my favorite restaurants.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
I could do without it. Me too. Chicken and pizza
not right.

Speaker 6 (28:10):
Sure, don't eat that, don't don't get you tell your
pizza so don't even start talking to me.

Speaker 7 (28:17):
Is incredible, the best, the best thing ever. When they
took it away for a while used to make a
b L T pizza which is really also came back pizzo,
the Kung Pou spaghetti with shrimp.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Good franking food, making great.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Salads to salad.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Good salads.

Speaker 7 (28:38):
Yeah, chicken salad with no tomatoes add avocado.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Oh my god, I'm extra tomatoes.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
I could do without tomatoes. Take them away. I'll get you.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
There's good food. So writers not interested?

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, welcome back to PODK.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
I like, I hate that I live in New York
now and there's no California pea to kitchen here. And
I did an ad campaign for them last year, and
I because they turned forty last year, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Can you go belly it?

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Oh that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
I mean in the freezer section.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
So true.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
But I was trying to convince them to do a
pop up in New York and they were like, I
mean we're I think we're okay. I was like, okay,
we're good.

Speaker 7 (29:22):
We're good on that thing. So we're not going to
go to the market where nobody knows who we are.
That's not that's not a great idea. Did you know
how good Freaks and Geeks was while you were making it?

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yes, I think we did. I'm not in the pilot,
not during the pilot, I don't know what, because I
was also just like I have no idea what's happening,
you know what I mean. But I think once we started,
once I saw the pilot, I was like, oh, wow,
this is a thing, Like this is real, and not
only that, like really good, uh because I think tonally

(29:58):
I sort of just didn't even on or stand what
it was. I mean talk about it was ahead of
its time, right, So so I think it was really
hard even for me. But I was a huge my
so called life fan, and so it like sort of
reminded me of that, but funnier and anyway, Yeah, I
think once we started filming the series, we all had

(30:21):
this understanding that what we were doing was really great.
And you know then also, like I said, my college
boyfriend Colin Hanks was on Roswell and they were filming basically, well,
they were filming at Paramount across the street from we
were at Raleigh Studios in Hollywood, So it was kind
of like perfect fun and yeah, you know, like all

(30:45):
those kids and our cast would hang out and it
was just really great.

Speaker 7 (30:51):
Well, it's definitely become one of the seminal shows of
its generation. It's but it's an infamous first season cancelation,
winning an EM once it was already off the air,
but sparked the careers of not only You, seth Rogen,
Jason Siegel, John Francis Day, Martin Starr. It's a stacked
launching pad. But yeah, at the time that it then

(31:12):
didn't take off, was that absolutely devastating?

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Yes? Yeah, it was crazy and I just felt like,
now what right?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Right?

Speaker 5 (31:22):
You're like that was incredible? How did that not go?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
You can only go downhill from there? Is what you
think when you leave, Like, what do I do now?

Speaker 4 (31:30):
But I think that's right. I mean I think that's right.
Like we I really was. So my world was rocked.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, yeah, But within the industry it was beloved, right,
I mean, like everyone knew that it was a good
show with a stacked cast.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
You didn't feel that you didn't eventually.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Feel that didn't Yes, but that didn't happen for years. Wow, right,
Like this was nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 6 (31:52):
It does have a special place in Hollywood where it's
it's one of those shows like like Leslie Nielsen's Original
Police Squad where it's it was so ahead of its
time that you do six, eight, ten episodes and then
people find it years later and they go, what the hell,
how is this not the biggest thing on TV? And
so yeah, there's there's what I'm trying to think, four
or five shows in history of television.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
I feel like I knew about it back then, Like
I feel like it was when it was happening. There
was conversation when was Linda on our show in relation
to After?

Speaker 3 (32:21):
It was after four?

Speaker 5 (32:22):
It was four.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Because that was it was a big deal at LMU
that she was on. I totally forgot about this, Like
we all watched it. This was a huge deal. Okay,
so she did after Wow.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
So that so you guys were doing ninety eight, ninety
nine then were it was? It was.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Ninety nine pilot season, and then it was ninety nine,
two thousand, canceling two thousand. We did nineteen episodes.

Speaker 9 (32:51):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
So she had already broken up Corey into Panga by
that point.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Yeah, she was already the villain.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
She was already a villain.

Speaker 7 (32:57):
It, by the way, won an Emmy for Outstanding Casting
for a Comedy.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
S Oh yeah, Alison Y. Yeah, she's a legend, man.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Yeah, I mean Alison Jones incredible.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
I mean she cast the original pilot for Boyby World too,
so she did yeah, yeah, which means she only she
cast me in this call and the only one. But yeah,
because she she did the pilot and then I don't
I mean, I don't even really remember meeting her, but
that's who I auditioned for the first time. And then yeah,
so she put the original pilot together of Boybe World
and then recast and then you know, changed as we went.

(33:30):
But yeah, yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, look at you look
at her work and you're like, oh, she like literally
found so many people before they were anybody, and she
always goes for the interesting choice and the good actor.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
It's yeh, she's amazing.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, it's very she's very cool. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
Well that was the other thing about Freaks and Keys
at the time is we're we're in the late nineties
early aughts at this point, so you're still in beautiful
teenage shows. It was all gorgeous people standing there and
and geeks as you know, obviously Linda's beautiful, busy, beautiful,
but they were they came off as real. It was
like they were they were casting for real people as

(34:08):
opposed to just it's soap opera actors but that can
hit their marks for a sitcom, it was freaking and
Geeks was like, can we can we cast some real
people that can act and are funny and amazing and
you want to watch? And that was that kind of
started a whole new trend in television in the early odds.
It got away from from being like, who's who's the
best looking guy.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
And girl we can put on this show? It was like,
who's who's the best?

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Part? Well, I think it's also was like that era
of teen shows. It was like right when Dawson's Creek
had come out, you know, it was like a year
and a half a year or two after that, so
it was like Felicity and Dawson's Creek and the WBU
was really like having its moment right and they were
casting the most beautiful people objectively and not for nothing.

(34:56):
I actually I think that in that world, like I
didn't I wasn't that. I did not I wasn't hot
like that, you know what I mean? Like I wasn't
a hot teen. I'm actually like a super hot forty
woman in her forties. But like, but like I wasn't

(35:17):
I really wasn't a hot. I wasn't hot as a teenager.
I was like weird and a little I don't know
like and I wasn't like that era was very specific
of what the beauty was, do you know what I'm saying,
and that I just did not I didn't really fit
into it. I remember reading a review of Freaks and

(35:38):
Geeks that was like, you won't find any beautiful people here,
and I was a little bit like, well, I mean, okay,
and that's.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
All right right.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
I was like, yeah, Hey.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
It's Wilfred Dell and Sabrina Bryan.

Speaker 6 (35:56):
From the podcast Magical Rewind, and we have a very
special guest on this week episode. He's the mastermind behind
some of your favorite movies like Hocus Pocus, Newsy's The Descendants,
and of course.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
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Speaker 6 (36:07):
Yes, it is the one and only a living legend
director Kenny or Tega.

Speaker 10 (36:12):
We sit down with Kenny to talk about his incredible
career and the legacy he's created with his choreography and films.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
You seriously will not want to miss this one.

Speaker 10 (36:20):
Listen to Magical Rewind on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 7 (36:32):
Well, soon after Freaks and Geeks, you find yourself cast
on another show every young actor wished they were on,
including all of us on the Zoom And that's Dawson's Creek.
Before you join the cast in season five, had you
been watching it like everyone else?

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Now, I missed it. It wasn't me. It wasn't for me.
Waits Actually, I still have never watched.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
Oh that's so funny. You've never seen anything you've been in.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
I know. I mean that's not necessarily true. I definitely
have watched things I've been at, but like, yeah, I
just wasn't. I wasn't. There were people in my college,
like freshman year who definitely watched Dawson's every week one
hundred percent. I did watch Felicity. I was a Felicity girl.
I loved that show and then became friends with Scott

(37:17):
Speedman years later, and it always cracks me up. It
still cracks me up. He's like, I just love him,
But yeah, like, I don't know what else did I watch?
I don't know what I was watching.

Speaker 7 (37:31):
Well, sometimes joining a cast in season five can be
a little daunting. Everybody's already super close and everyone has
their own way of doing things. Did you feel welcome
right off the bat in that cast, on that set.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
Yeah, No, I mean I think it's like very I
think being a guest star on any long running show
coming in for one episode is like the scariest thing.
I was added to the cast. I had to test.
I had to do like a full studio network test
for it, and they were adding me, and they I

(38:07):
think they tested Chad Michael Murray for he was sort
of recurring that year. I don't know, it was. Yeah,
it was like intimidating also because it wasn't being filmed
in LA. It was in Wilmington, North Carolina, So I
basically had to like relocate right to a place you're
not familiar with at all, and I didn't know where

(38:28):
to live, and like it was Yeah, it was hard.
It was and I was twenty one, Like it was
very It was tricky, and it was less that like
they were all so close at that point. They were
all just like this was the job, and they all
had their own lives, you know, that were established, like
really well established. But Michelle and I met the first

(38:51):
person I met when I got to town. Everybody was
put up in the same small, little boutique hotel in Wilmington.
It was called literally the Woman Tonian. I know, I
don't know if it still is, but that's what it was.
And uh, James Vanderbeek was staying there because he like

(39:11):
something had happened with his house or he was something.
I don't know, I don't remember what happened, but like
some construction or something, and he couldn't move in yet.
And so I met him first, and he was so nice,
and he was like, I've heard the best things about you.
I heard your audition was incredible. Like, he was so nice.
And then Michelle was across the street at this little

(39:33):
like stop and go place, picking up like gatorade and
fig Newton's and she walked across the street. Well, I
love fig Newton's. We used, Michelle and I still joke that,
like we thought that fig Newton's were health food, right,
I know, the cookies they're cooking, they're absolutely a dessert.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
I thought it was like like an energy bar.

Speaker 6 (39:59):
It is, yeah, and the more you eat, the healthier
they get.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
Great.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
I think that that's.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
The thing that people don't know about Fig notes fig
is in the title.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
I could eat a whole sleeve exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
It's figs and.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Pizza is amazing.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
And again, do you have cream cheese, cream cheese and figure
in the pineapple guy?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
You don't get to throw shade at other people's pizza.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
That's like I definitely agree. But yeah, and so then
she and I met and then like sort of instantly
fell in love. And we had had mutual friends tell
us that we would get along, so we were already
sort of set up to be friends like each other.

Speaker 7 (40:42):
Yeah, yeah, Well you all recently reunited recently on Broadway
to raise money for the f cancer charity in James
Vanderbeek's name. Did anything surprise you about jumping back into
your character almost twenty five years later?

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Well, I didn't play my character because I wasn't because
we did we did a stage reading of the pilot,
and so like Kur Smith and Meredith Monroe and myself,
and I'm trying to think if there was anyone else
we weren't in the pilot, and all had been added

(41:17):
to the cast at various points after. So Michelle and I,
you know, when James was diagnosed with cancer, it was
really you know, it was horrible, and he's got this
beautiful family, and you know, we all reached out to
him and Michelle, Michelle and Katie and I like sent

(41:38):
them some stuff like this, you know, I think it
was it like a year ago or something. And then
right after the New year, Michelle was just like, we
should do something. We just should do something. And so
she and I started to think about, like, well, what
would a live show be and what could we even do?
And you know, I do so many like live stage
shows of things that like I used to do at

(42:00):
Largo all the time in LA and the Bellhouse here
in New York, and I took my podcast out. I'm like,
we can do something on a stage. Her husband, Thomas Cale,
Tommy Cale, is the director of Hamilton, so we knew
that that theater would probably be open to helping us out.
The Richard Rogers, they were so lovely and so we

(42:24):
started to put this thing together. We called Katie and
she came over and we like, we're like, what if
we did the pilot. We should re read the pilot.
We could do a stage tading where we could do
like a night of song. Like we we're just trying
to like figure out some yeah, but like getting everyone
it was just so important that they that everyone be

(42:44):
there and and getting everyone's schedules lined up was a
little tricky sure, And then James got very sick and
was in the hospital and couldn't make the trip to
come be on stage and do it with us, and
that was really really hard and sad. But his family came,

(43:10):
all of his kids came, Kimberly, his wife came, and
we got to spend a lot of time with them,
and it was just sort of incredible for us all
to be back in the same room together. We haven't
done that since the show wrapped, so it's been whatever,
twenty twenty years.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
Yeah, twenty five or five years almost?

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Oh wow, okay, great twenty five. I believe you.

Speaker 10 (43:38):
Hi.

Speaker 11 (43:38):
It's Jenny Garth, host of the I Choose Me podcast.
This week, I'm so excited to welcome my friend Gabrielle
carteris the Andrea Zuckerman from Beverly Hills nine o.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Two on Oh to the pod.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
We're choosing to get real iplied to the networks about
my age and contracts. They never would have hired me
if they had known my age. We're choosing to be honest.
She looked at me and she said, this business is
about the mask, which you have neither of, and we're
choosing to get nostalgic.

Speaker 12 (44:05):
Listen to I Choose Me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple
podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 7 (44:19):
People always ask us about that final episode of Boy
Meets World where we were crying in real life, and
it's right there on the screen as our characters. And
the final Dawson's Creek episode is also an emotional ride.
What was it like that day on set saying goodbye
to a show that basically raised almost an entire cast.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Well, it's crazy because I wasn't in the two part No,
I wasn't in the two part finale, even though I
had been on the show for those two years leading
up to it. Kevin Williamson came back to write the finale,
and I mean, I got paid for her, guys, right,
But what I heard at the time was Kevin was like,

(45:04):
I don't know this character. I didn't create her, so
she's not going to be in the finale. And I was.
I I wrote about it in my book. I was
like pretty devastated, Like I was pretty sad, and I left.
I just left. I left Wilmington. I was like, well
you guys bye, Yeah, and so I wasn't there. Uh,

(45:25):
And then I did have to go back for the
like big they had, like this big finale party and
like photo shoot and this whole thing, and like they
were like, you actually contracted, you gotta go back for it.
And I was like, Okay, I guess. So I did
go back for like the finale party, but yeah, like
I just wasn't I wasn't around. And then the craziest

(45:46):
thing happened. I haven't like I'm not gonna say I
like held on to it, but it was a thing
that sure really hurt my feelings and I felt like
I had given two seasons of my life to this show.
People really loved my character. I really, you know, gave

(46:08):
up like a big part of my life to be
in Wilmington. Not that like, you know, obviously I needed
the job, but yeah, I just was sad for my
character too. I'm like, she just gets relegated to like
one weird one.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
I feel not valued and yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
Right, And when we were doing this reading which I
got to play this is so wild but also just
speaks to the time. I don't know if you guys
had any storylines in boy Meet's world where like now
you're like, oh my god, that is not cool, Like
like Pacey loses his virginity to his forty year old

(46:46):
teacher on Dawson's Creed.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
It's a very common thing. We just talked about this.

Speaker 7 (46:50):
Yeah, it's very common for shows of that time that
everyone was making looking up with people significantly.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
Older than them.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Well Sean hitting on the teacher. That happened several times.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
Yeah, and hitting on Sean.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Yeah, it's so wild. Yeah. In the so in the
play reading, I played that teacher. Yeah, wow, tomorrow anyway,
it was sort of the part I was like born
to play, being honest, Like I really, I really. It
was really funny. But Kevin Williamson like, as soon as

(47:28):
we had a day of rehearsal and then we had
like a half day, and then we did the show
that night, and as soon as I walked in and
said hi to everybody, Kevin Williamson, who I've seen over
the years, by the way, I mean it's been twenty
five years, Kevin was like, busy, can I talk to
you for a second, And he took me aside and
was like I had to say something that I've really

(47:48):
been thinking about. I've thought about it a lot for years.
I never reached out to you. I won't to apologize
putting you in the finale. I don't know if you know,
Like he was just like I was just in a
moment in my career, my life, when like I had
so many things going on. They had like asked me
at the very last minute to come back and write
the finale. I had like a day and a half

(48:10):
to do it, and I just made this kind of
weird decision and I could have done better and I didn't,
and I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
Wow, And I I started crying.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
I literally started crying, and I was like, Kevin, like
that means so much to me, thank you for saying that.
I really appreciate it, And yeah, great, great, let's do this.
You know.

Speaker 7 (48:34):
Wow, that might have been so rewarding to like, yeah,
something that's just always been in the back of your mind.
Like you said, you're not going to say you were
like carrying it around. It wasn't like in the forefront
you're carrying the shooting daggers every time you hear his
name or whatever. But it's somewhere in the back of
your mind that you're like, man, I that ended on
a note that made me feel like two years of
my life wasn't valued. And to actually get an apology like.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
That is so nice, I know, and rare and rare
and I but also I think really speaks to you know, obviously,
like he is a person who is self reflective and
has you know, and had a moment where he was like,
oh wait, that wasn't maybe the kindest thing. Maybe I
should take ownership of that in a real way instead

(49:17):
of just like being nice to me every time he
sees me, you know, which is like, I think what
most people do, right, they're like, don't want this?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Actually a closure too? I mean that, Yeah, we had
that on our show.

Speaker 6 (49:27):
I mean, Trina came on our podcast and somebody had
told because Trina wasn't in our last episode, and somebody
had told Trina that we as a cast went to
our producer and said we didn't want her in the episode,
which is completely untrue, and so she had been holding
onto that for twenty five and rightfully so.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
And so when we talked about it, we were like wait, what.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
What Yeah, because we didn't even know that.

Speaker 6 (49:52):
We had no idea that this had that she had
been told this and so yeah, I mean it was
it had bothered her for decades and again rightfully, so
it made me feel less.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Then, and it was nice to us to sit down
and be like, we had no.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
This is the first one hearing that you had heard.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah, so it was.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Why would somebody tell them say that to her?

Speaker 5 (50:14):
I mean, I can reflect deflect for.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
That's the correct But imagine, I mean imagine if we
did have that kind of power.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
At that time we were so like clueless actors, like whuk,
what are we doing next week?

Speaker 1 (50:28):
But if we had banded together and been like, let's
get rid of another cast member, no.

Speaker 6 (50:32):
Weird thing to band again, Like we wouldn't be together
to get money. We banded together to get have one
cast member, not in one episode.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Like it's yeah, it doesn't even make sense logically, No,
it doesn't.

Speaker 7 (50:44):
But at the time, of course, the thing we've talked
about so much is at the time they are relying
on the idea that we are not communicating with each
other about things that it's going to feel, yeah, that
the actors are not that she wasn't going to come
to us and say, why would you guys do this
to me, and she didn't because he and the person
who told her that knew she would probably not do

(51:06):
that right, and we because it played.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Right into her actor insecurity, which we all have. And like,
that's the problem with being an actor is that you
feel disposable and you feel like, you know, you're being
asked to be a human being on camera and to
bring all this authenticity and emotion, but it feels like
it's just do you fit into the schedule?

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Can we pay you enough?

Speaker 1 (51:24):
You know, and it's like it all diminishes your sense
of self to you know, you're just like, I'm just
a pawn and somebody in you know, Kevin Williamson's.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Script, like I'm just like whatever.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
And of course what starts to happen is you start
thinking that the people in charge never care about you,
don't care about your feelings, even when you know they
have their own stuff going on and they you know,
who knows what the real situation is.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
But yeah, it's a it's a machine.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
And I think because I had come from this experience
on Freaks and Geeks where we really did feel valued
and like, uh, and that you know, I think that
one of the reasons why almost everyone from that show
has gone on to be multi hyphenates and do all
kinds of different things, myself included. Is because jud and

(52:07):
Paul and Jake Kasden, who was our like directing producer, producer, director.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Yeah, there I go.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Thank you really instilled in us, Like even though you
guys are you know, I feel like Seth was sixteen,
I think, or seventeen when we started the show. Martin
Starr was like fourteen or fifteen. Even though you guys
are like technically teenagers, your ideas are valuable. You're talented,

(52:37):
and we want to know what you think about what
we're bringing to you. They were always asking us, what
do you think? Is this feel right? Is this like
a thing that you would like a teenager would say? Anyway?
I just, you know, feel like going from that experience
and then feeling like, oh I really was not I
don't really feel valued at all in this in this show,

(53:00):
but it really gave me, you know, I don't know
a roadmap for kind of how I would want to
be treated on set, and then also what I am
going to look for in collaborators and partners.

Speaker 6 (53:15):
Yeah, you have so many iconic shows on your resume.
If you could go back and do one episode of
any one of the shows again, which one would you pick?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Well?

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Is this is really? It's Girls five EVA for sure,
because I just love the show so much and I
know it sort of just ended, but I really miss
it and.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
That shows so funny.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
I just think it's that's going to be another one
where people are going to find it. Yeah, and then
in like two years are going to be as to
why there's not more of them. I just loved that
show so much and I love doing it. We had
the best time.

Speaker 5 (53:54):
Are there any movies or TV shows that you got
close on that still haunt you?

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Nothing haunts me?

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Okay, healthy Kevin Williamson.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
No, yeah, right, but not anymore. That's that we close
the loop. That's loop has when closed. But what are
some things that I tested for that I didn't get?
There was a TV show that I tested for, but
then I got Dawson's Creek. See this is why I'm like,
nothing haunts me, like it always is fine, Like you

(54:28):
know we've all been We've all been doing this long enough,
you know what I mean? Like it really is true
that your career is your career, and so not getting
jobs while in the moment like that, rejection can be devastating,
especially if you get really close on something. Ultimately, I
have just found that it has always worked in my favor,

(54:52):
even even the fact that like at the time I
was doing the movie White Chicks and could audition for
and White Chicks was pushing their production like we kept
we pushed, so like we were going longer than we
were supposed to be going. So I couldn't audition for

(55:13):
Mean Girls the movie, and I was like devastated because
I really wanted to be in that movie obviously, and guys,
guess was in the Mean Girls movie. But you know
what I mean, Like I couldn't have been the mom
in the new Mean Girls movie, you know what I mean. Like,
it's just like everything works out, everything works out, and

(55:35):
White Chicks is like the most iconic movie that I've
ever done.

Speaker 7 (55:38):
So I was going to ask you, with everything you've done,
how many people come up to you and want to
talk about White Chicks?

Speaker 4 (55:43):
I mean, it's everyone, no joke, at least at least
five times a week. I'm not I'm not an exaggeration.
Someone will say something to me about white Chicks five
times a week, Like it's crazy and everywhere in the
world that's like.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
That's so cool.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
It's quite it's actually just like okay, I mean wow,
had no idea at the time, but I love it.
It's really funny.

Speaker 7 (56:10):
You also currently host Busy This Week on QVC plus,
a place I pop up with my own hair care product.
I love QVC. I'm there many times a year. Tell
our listeners a little bit about your show.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Oh well, so you know, I had a late night
talk show on E for a year in twenty eighteen
to twenty nineteen, and when it got canceled, I was
really bummed because we had a great time and I
just loved doing a late night talk show. And I
have long felt the inequality of not having women be

(56:46):
the hosts of these shows or given you know, longer
than whatever a year to find an audience. And so
Casey saint Ande, my producing partner on that show, and
I really were trying to figure out, like, how do
we do another one? Where are we going to go?
And we were kind of building to something, and then

(57:08):
the pandemic happened, and so we pivoted and we did
our podcast for over five years, and then at a
certain point QVC had come to me to do a
little like holiday special thing for them, and in that
process Casey I asked Casey to come do it with me.
And in that process we learned that they were going

(57:30):
to launch their own streaming network and they were looking
for they didn't really know what they were looking for,
but they were thinking they were going to have more
original content and not just twenty four hour shopping content,
that it would be different. So we were like, well,
why don't we just do my talk show there. Let's
just do the talk show there. And they went for it,

(57:50):
and this is We've done two seasons. We've had a
great time. It's a talk show. You know, we have
incredible guests. Rosie O'Donnell was amazing. You got to come
beyond it.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
I would not to please.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Okay, she was talking about you also on qv She
was clearly speaking to me and you instantly.

Speaker 7 (58:10):
I will tell you, I don't think you guys speak
to the QVC audience.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
I mean not know, not no, not no, sure, not no. Wow.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
First of all, I can speak to any audience, Thank
you very much.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
I I think that's he's not right. I think that's right.
I think that's right.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
He's not wrong.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Feels right to me. I don't know if it is,
but it.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
Feels real right, it feels good. That feels good.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Writers just quiet. He's like, I'm not I would never
be on any show.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Uh and QVC audience don't understand, so I probably not.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Probably why don't you like to be on talk shows?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
I'm really bad at on camera being myself, Like I'm
just a horrible famous person, Like, I just don't.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
You're on camera right now being yourself.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Yeah, but it's audio mostly second clips. Yeah, I'm in
my house. It's fine. No, I just I'm not. I don't.
I don't do well in those situations. I always look
like I'm being held.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
I'll be like, I'll be like, ladies and gentlemen, you
only got thirty minutes left to buy righters strong.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
I can't even believe he's.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
Not good whippy. He's not a quippy person.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
I don't work in sound bite its well correct, and even.

Speaker 5 (59:23):
The idea of like the pre show interview were like
trying to what's what's the quick funny story you're going
to tell? Like that pressure on it.

Speaker 7 (59:30):
It's like, oh god, no, he just right from the
beginning there's a lot of anxiety, and he's just like,
I don't need that.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Nope, I kind.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Of understand that.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
No, I want to see it. I want to see
Rider on every talk show.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Now.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
I get uncomfortable just watching talk shows, Like I can't
handle it.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
I don't watch interviews and talk shows.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
That's why I know nothing about famous people, even people
I really love their work. I don't know anything about
the personal life because the second I'm watching an interview,
I'm like, oh, God, get me a way, like I
just not my not my style.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
Yeah, well there's I think there's something to that, And
I think it also speaks to when you watch men
who are comedians interview people that is actually like there
is a lot of pressure because what you see is
them searching for their joke and they're not actually listening

(01:00:20):
and a lot of the times but well, but I really,
I really, in my experience, why I wanted to do
a talk show was first of all, because I was
sick of the fact that there were no women that
had them, but also, and specifically late night, because there's

(01:00:41):
this whole you know, like deeply rooted in the misogyny
and the patriarchy that like women can only have daytime
talk shows because that's when women are home doing the laundry,
like you know from back in the day, and like
men go to their jobs and then they need to
relax with their scotch and watch how they don't want
to help. Not a woman.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
I don't want to hear a woman talk at night.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
But it's so just it's literally what it was, what
it was based, what it's been based in.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
And to fight.

Speaker 6 (01:01:14):
I mean, Joan Rivers was the top comedian of the
day and she had she never got it and never
got it. She was she could guess and that was it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
The closest with Chelsea Lately.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
I mean, Chelsea had years and she had such an
amazing run and then but then you look at it
and you're like, that's one one woman.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
There's somebody else had one last, last one last year
and they just cancel a comedian.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
She's so funny. I can't think of her name.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Well, Amber Ruffin had like that late night talk show
thing after you're thinking of Taylor, Mom, Taylor at midnight
Taylor Tomlinson, but at midnight's a game show.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
Yeah, So it's also like she's the best.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
She's so funny. But it also is a game show,
not actually a late night talk show, you know what
I mean. Anyway, my point being writer, my favorite guest,
part of the reason why I wanted to do it
is because I fully feel you on that And like,
my favorite guest from the E Talk Show was Dan
Radcliffe because he showed up and he was literally like you,

(01:02:20):
He was like, this isn't for me. I'm not like,
I don't like this. Da da da da weird at
the end of it, like he like didn't want to leave.
It was it was like, actually amazing to see the
transition because I just was like, I'll just talk to
you about.

Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
Like what you like, what.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Does he really have magic powers?

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
He was really wonderful see magical magic and he's super talented.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Yeah, oh yeah, very busy.

Speaker 7 (01:02:49):
My last question for you is if you could go
back in time and tell young Busy Phillips on the
Freaks and Geeks set, just one thing, what would you
tell her?

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
My god, this is the second time someone has like
asked me this question this week, and I have no answer.
And you would think, since I've already been asked it,
that I would have come up with something, But the
truth is I don't know if you guys feel this way.
I just am sort of like, first of all, there

(01:03:23):
was nothing that I could ever tell that girl, do
you know what I mean, listened, not even a little bit.
Would she have listened. She would have been like, Okay,
old lady, fine, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Love that your voice.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
Yes, yes, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
Like what my voice for my nineteen year old self
is as well. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Well, and now I have this seventeen year old mini
me that is it's a real vibe. Guy is watching
her on camera because I'm like, it is a little
bit of a mine. I mean, honestly, like just crazy,
but yeah, I kind of feel I've thought a lot
about it, and like I don't think there's anything that

(01:04:07):
I could tell her that would change anything or change
her way of thinking. I mean, maybe get diagnosed with
ADHD sooner, Okay, I mean honestly, because I think I've
spent a lot of time feeling really terrible about my
brain and then in my late thirties was diagnosed with
ADHD and I was like, oh, now it all makes sense,

(01:04:30):
So maybe that what about that? Yeah, like your brain
is fine, You're not stupid. Where just you have executive
organizational functioning skills that you need to work on.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
Right, so smart.

Speaker 7 (01:04:41):
Honestly, that is probably one of the things that would
help you change your life and right it's very practical.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
That's probably. That's probably anything else I think I would
have been like, yeah, I know it's gonna work whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
I know everything. You know nothing.

Speaker 7 (01:04:53):
I don't know if you know this, but I am eighteen.
I know everything. Yeah, that's I totally get that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Busy. Thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
Thanks guys, I love the pod.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
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