Pod Meets Twirl'd: In The City 106

Will and Rider have ordered another round of cocktails for the newest episode of “In the City” and they’re lookin’ for someone to pick up the tab.

Rider has shockingly found himself invested in Kenny’s family and we try to figure out if Amanda’s slow-motion move out is salvageable…or should everyone just walk away. 

We return to Lindsay’s milkman situation, while exploring Nick and Yvonne’s wedding vibes and unpacking the timeline of Danielle & Owen’s divorce drama. 

Plus, Will and Rider tackle the breaking Bachelorette news and the wild merits of arranged marriages, on this week’s action-packed Pod Meets Twirl'd: Metropolitan Mess!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to Pod meets Tworld, a podcast that began with
Dancing with the Stars, continued through Castle's Traders, strategic deception,
and because our producers, along with many of our listeners,
apparently enjoy watching two confused, middle aged men struggle through
wildly successful reality television. We have now arrived at a
place neither of us understands Bravo, specifically in the city now.

(00:35):
Usually these shows have involved a game, a competition, a
cash prize, a goal. But this show's different. No challenges,
no murder, mystery, no judges, and no dance scores. Just
wealthy adults attending parties, drinking, dating, and keeping tabs on
one another. We are right or Strong, a man who
generally prefers stories with structured themes and an ending, and Wilfredell,

(00:57):
who was told there might be some humor among the
cock pills and betrayals. Join us as we enter this
world of social warfare, passive aggression, luxury apartments, and confessionals
delivered with the gravity of international diplomacy. This is Pod
meets Twirled Metropolitan mess I've really come to realize that
each one of these episodes is just like a little, little,

(01:18):
little breadcrumb, Like, not much happened, So I was gonna
say breadcrumb to what bread comb to nowhere? I think.
I think at the end of the season, we're gonna
be able to look back and say, well, that was
what was always gonna happen with Kyle and Amanda. But
we know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I mean, like, we already know what it's gonna be.
We know going in they're not together anymore, right because
of the public leaking of the facts. Yeah, if you
were watching this show without knowing that West and Amanda
hooked up, would you be still kind of like, uh,
maybe they could? No, God, no, these people have no
business being together and should never sounds like should never

(01:57):
have been together. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I feel pretty secure in saying that too. But I
just like to imagine if I didn't know the whole drama,
if I was watching this, you could kind of be
rooting for them to get back together maybe, or you'd
be like, uh, guys, figure this out.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm not are you rooting for them to get back together?

Speaker 1 (02:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
No, me neither. No, of course not.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I guess. I guess I just alternate between feelings sorry
for Kyle and then wanted him to, like wanted him
to just wake up. Yeah, take a break from alcohol,
and that's the thing. Probably just get his crap together.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
He has a serious problem. But I still feel for
him in the whole situation, Like I don't feel for
her at all. I don't feel for her at all.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
But how much of that is because you know what
happened with her hooking up with West.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Maybe it could, but I also I would like to
think no, because it just it. She just seems very
gas lighty, very toxic, very and he seems like a
manchild who has a drinking problem.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Oh, you just throw out all the terms gas lighty,
like we've covered the twenties trifecta.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
There. I had to do it. I had to do it.
Do we need to discuss very, very very briefly the
big reality show news that happened this week, Since this
is now our job, the Bachelorette, Bachelorette coming back, are
we are we diving into that?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I think we should. I've never seen a single Bachelor.
I haven't seen a minute.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I haven't seen a minute of the Bachelor of the Bachelorette,
So I don't know if this is something we should
do but it seems like we probably should.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
She seems like a certified nightmare.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
But yeah, but I think we're aren't We used to nightmares?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Now, That's what I'm saying. I think that's what it's about.
I think it's I.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Don't you know. At this point, I think it's it's
gonna be a popular show. I think for us it'll
be an interesting way to analyze it, because, you know,
I've always felt a little icky about the combination of
love and reality, like dating and reality, which is what
the Bachelor's all about. Yeah, but they're all there just
for love. Writer.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
They don't care that there's a screen there, or their
social media presences or anything like that. It's just to
fine love.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Right right. Yeah. I've never bought that. I know, I've
never bought never bought that.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
But I think, aren't there some bachelor couples that are
actually still together and married and happy? I think there are?

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, And you say it like that because it's a
freaking miracle exactly the likelihood of find in love in
this situation. You know, my ex girlfriend worked as a
PA on one of the Bachelor franchises back when we
lived in New York. We were in New York and
they were doing a season there and she had to

(04:32):
fill an entire bathtub with like heavy on water for
some reason. Yeah, Like it was like regular water wouldn't
do it for some contestant or something. And I just
remember being like, this world doesn't make any sense. And
that was you know, this is two thousand and three ish,
so it was like it was like reality still felt
like a big new thing, and I just remember her

(04:52):
being like, this is so fake. This is the weirdest
job ever.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
This. Yeah, it'll be a great sequel to Love at
the time of cholera. Though in the time of reality,
it's just a great sequel book. Awesome.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I think we should do it.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I think fortunately, I do with too.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, wait, what do you make Unfortunately, It'll be a
perfect way for us to analyze it and get I
don't like her.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
She's obviously, it's very kind of disgusting the videos that
came about came out about her. So I don't like
to kind of platform somebody like that, But at the
same time, you almost have to, because if we're getting
into reality, this is what reality is nowadays, and it's
one of the things where even when stuff like that
comes out, that's going to add to the show. And

(05:33):
this will probably be the most watched bachelor or bachelorette
in the history of the franchise. Yeah, and so it's
there's a craziness to it. And I think if we're
you know, if we're diving in with both feet, that's
what we've got to do.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, and I think I think it'll be a fruitful discussion.
You know, you get to see her for who she is,
you know. It's like, and I'm really curious if they
re edit the scene is based on you know, like
because were they trying to make her out to be
this heroic She's the bachelorette, right, Like, so obviously I'm

(06:04):
assuming in that scenario you try and make that person
look good. But knowing that the public has already kind
of turned against her, it's gonna be interesting. Yeah, but
I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Episode six of In the City beginning with Kyle's apartment
where Amanda's left.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
So much stuff it's insane. This is order horder behavior.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
I don't know exagger I mean, every other time we've
seen this apartment, we haven't seen piles of clothing.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
But I don't think they showed that bedroom where she's
like just as two and three feet of clothes stacked
on the bed. That's insane to me.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, I mean, you know, the way that these people
dress in general, they got to have a lot of options.
I mean there's a lot of clothing. I know, I'm
not a big clothing person, nor I always feel like
I have too many clothes, and I have probably one
one hundredth of the clothing that these people have.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, I wear nine of the things that I have,
and I still have too much. Yep, agreed, yep.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Oh wait, we have a note from her.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Isn't an outfit repeater?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
What does that mean? That means she never wears the
same outfit twice.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Remember when Whitney said she has like twenty five black
shirts because she can't repeat outfits.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (07:19):
So it's essentially it's like an OCD thing.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I mean it's.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Something where it's like, oh, I'm not gonna wear the
exact same outfit on reality TV, Like I'm not gonna
wear it twice.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
I don't want to be petty, but Amanda is the
least well dressed one yes on the show. She's always
wearing like just a big, big, like sweatshirt. Yeah, she
looks like she's comfortable.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
And I think I'm starting to realize she's just high
all the time.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I think she is. I think she's a major stoner.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Big stoner. Yeah, yeah, which which again though, but she's
a stoner who Yeah, she makes the rest of us
look bad.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
All right. We get to see Amanda in her new
apartment where she lets Rece out. It's a big empty
space with no furniture. Let's see how long it takes
her to get a single piece of furniture. She talks
about how she is never lived alone, which I found interesting.
I've never really lived alone ever for not very long. No,

(08:15):
because what about.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
When you were downtown when I was sixteen?

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, yeah, I you know, always had friends over. Yeah,
I lived there. God, that place was a pig sty too. Yeah.
It was a lot of department we literally are My
feet would turn black just from the diesel dust on
the like the hardwood floors, because it was downtown LA

(08:40):
where all the trucks were, Like I was right at
the intersection of two of my lungs were just destroyed.
But yeah, so that place, I definitely But then I
moved to New York by the time, right when I
was twenty and I moved with a girlfriend. We lived
separately technically, but we were always at each other's place.
I mean my apartment was basically her apartment. We lived

(09:01):
separate for that first year in New York technically, but
then she moved in with me and then stayed and
then yeah, like, I think I have lived alone maybe
six months outside of that, my god, I know, man.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Other than living with my wife and I live with
my brother for a while, but I've I lived alone
most of the time all through boy Me's World, I
mean seven years other than the first year with Spencer,
six years in boy mets World, and then Greg and
I moved in together to the house, and then he
moved out, and then I lived in the house for
this house I'm still in for got to be five
or six years before Sue moved in. So yeah, and

(09:38):
then obviously now she's we've been together fifteen whatever years.
But yeah, no, I've I've lived alone for a long time.
I loved living alone.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, I think I would love it, man, like just
being able to organize your stuff the way you want it,
and like, oh, I would be so good at that.
It was the best.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Sleep when you want, eat what you want, watch what
you want everything. The closest I've.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Had is like when I've been on location for stuff
like I've been, you know, or like when my wife's
been away. But the clearest is like I lived in
Australia to do a play, so I got to live
there for like three or four months, and man, I
had everything dialed in. Everything was so clean, that's right.
I never thought of myself as a clean freak, but
like clearly when it was.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yours, as they say in Australia, it was magical, magical.
It was just so magical.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
So all right. Then we meet up with Georgina at
a store where her mom didn't make it something with
her eyes she.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Has, which again you don't need to if you don't
like how it looks, obviously you stay inside. But it's
a sty come on.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Amanda Back admits that she has no furniture, with the
guy dropping off a bunch of boxes of her stuff,
but she has nowhere to put this stuff, so she's
it's like it's like she's play acting it moving out,
you know what I mean, I'm not going to really
move out. I'm going to play act on moving out,
and then we can pretend that this is a thing
so that when I finally break up with I can

(11:01):
say it was all his fault. I don't know it's
it does.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
It seems like she's she's doing them. I'm gonna leave
my husband playbook and I'm hitting all the steps so
that when I'm when it is finally gone, no one
could look back and say I'm the best guy and
it did. I didn't do anything wrong. That's what it
looks like to me.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
She's stressing him out just so she can yell it. Yes,
all right. Then Yvonne and Nick getting ready for their wedding,
which is they've already had a wedding in Mexico, but
this is just their official city.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I must say something. Yes, starting to dig Yvonne really like, yeah,
there's something. There was something about this episode where I
feel like they would be the couple that seemed to
be the most normal, the most down to earth, the
most like. He came off as quiet, but I think
he's probably just quietly funny. She seems normal and kind
of tongue in cheek funny. She seems like could she
be a good friend.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
What I don't know. Man. By the end of the episode,
Yvonne and uh, you know, you know, you know, I've
become team Lindsay. Soon was a little totally She's a
little much to get into Lindsay, I was, you know,
heard Yvonne. Gavin fell into the same category of this episode,
which is that question of like are they good friends

(12:15):
or are they pushy friends Gavin's or maybe he's the
best friend you can have, you know, like this is
the debate. But that's where I started questioning Levonne. So
we'll get into it.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
See, I think Yvonne was a good friend. I think
Gavin's a shit stirr oh.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I had the exact same note. Is Gavin just sturried
ship question mark?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
But we'll get here, okay.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Nick says he's gonna wear this dog Hawaiian shirt and Jackson,
their dog, is gonna wear a tux very cute. Lindsay's
gonna be their witness, and Yvonne talks about feeling a
little bad because she and Lindsay started out on the
same timeline getting married. I guess you know Lindsay was
engaged or did get married to Carl, who then left
her with the kid, but Lindsay has been supportive and

(12:59):
vocal about just wanting to have fun.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Right now, I don't think Carl's the kid's dad.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I don't think so either. So Carl was her.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Carl was the one she was supposed to marry, but
I don't think they ever actually got married.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
But in the flashbacks, it looked like she was wearing
a wedding dress, so I thought, okay, they were.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Just engaged, right they never and then and then she
met the new guy. For wait, she wore a wedding
dress to a bridal shower.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
It was like white. It was just a white dress. Okay,
all right, that's gonna matter.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
That's gonna matter coming up because it's the previous for
the next episode of anything.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
It's pink bitch.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
It's pink bitch. It's gonna be my brand new You
want that tattooed somewhere.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
All right, So Yvonne, you know, is as this is
where she says, like, Lindsay keeps saying she wants to
have fun, but Yvonne knows her better. And they said
Lindsay really wants to find her person. And this is
where the question I think of, like, is that being
a good friend or is that being a little pushy.
We'll get into it, okay. Cut to Kenny and Whitney.

(14:13):
He feels like he's going to pass out because he
is calling his dad today. They set up a time
to talk after he talked to his dad's new wife
the day before. It has been twenty five years since
they talk, and cals, I know, so crazy, And he
calls Larry his dad, and his dad is on speakerphone

(14:33):
and just immediately overjoyed. Both of them start crying. I'm
really emotional. Oh my god, dude, this whole storyline is
just like.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
I was in with this whole thing. It was it
was raw and real and just hearing his father's voice
breaking down, it was I will This totally sucked me.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
In, totally, and it you know, I was so glad
because like there was part of me that was like, why,
you know, why do this on camera? Right? Like why
not just have this be a private.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Moment because they're on a reality show.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
They're on reality But also, you know, he could choose
to not do this, Like he could choose to like
just make it about his relationship with Whitney and do
the father stuff. But the fact that Kenny's doing, and
you know, at one point he even kind of says like,
maybe this will help other people. And what I really
appreciated was how nonperformative this was. Yeah, like you can
tell that both he and his dad are awkward. They're

(15:28):
not they're not trying to run away from the awkwardness.
They're not trying to make it like a big dramatic thing.
They're just living in the like, wow, look at you,
this is weird. I don't know what to say. How
do we talk about X y Z. It just felt
like it probably actually is. So I was impressed that,
you know, if you're going to put this on camera,
if you're going to just be honest about it and

(15:49):
to let it play out as it really is, and
both of them do that. It's really you know, not
afraid to cry, not afraid to like, you know, admit
that they didn't want to cry. And I don't know,
it just felt real, you know, Yeah, I agree. And
I really like Kenny's confessionals, you know, and he's talking
about how he's gone through so many years of his

(16:09):
life just saying I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, and
then how you're just not even though you're saying that
over and over again. I was like, man, that's such
a powerful thing that.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
I really like her too, frank Ram, I think she's
I mean, who knows if as a couple they're ever
going to last, but as people totally they seem to
be pretty great. Yeah. I really like her a lot. Yeah,
all right.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Then we get Danielle and Owen Ada. Danielle's mom comes
for a visit, bringing olive oil food. Seems like she's
always being mom, never.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Startling Vinnie's mom on Jersey Shore, who just keeps like
coming down to the Jersey Shore with his underwear, like here,
you got clean, I did all your wash, I brought
you water last stuff like that. Yeah, very similar.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
So they're going to try and get rid of some
clothes to make room for Owen, which is a pretty
nice move. Nice move. Then there's this cut to all
of her white clothes and a hangar line, and I
just couldn't help but think of like Smurfete picking out
the same dress, like which one do I want to wear?
It was like, what are you doing? You're all the

(17:16):
same white. It's like this is full on smurfet dress,
Like just break it down. To one the Simpsons.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's just you always have the character is exactly the
same thing.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
It's like one thing.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
It's not just wait to see gargemel popping. Oh god,
that's but you're right, it is. It's just like, and
you're not supposed to wear white after labor day. So
what does this woman do after?

Speaker 1 (17:40):
You're not supposed to wear white after labor day?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
No, that's like and it's like the only fashion rule
I know.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
But labor day is in the fall, right.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Labor day is the one in September.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
So when is the show taking place? When is what
is time? What is time? No? Because now West and
Amanda a together.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
So taking place in the fall. Yeah, so that's right. Okay, Yeah,
she's not supposed to be wearing white after labor day.
Everybody knows that.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
I've never heard that, but sure, sure they pour some wine. Surprise, surprise.
Bob asks about Owen and the divorce. Danielle talks about
getting hate mail, and she's just not sure if she's
upset about other people's judgment of her life, or is

(18:28):
there's some question on her own part that is getting
to which I think is fair. Her mom is like
very encouraging and says, you guys seem really happy together,
so just be patient. You know he'll get a divorce,
I guess officially, and this will all work out. They
really edit it to make Owen make it seem like maybe,

(18:48):
I mean, I'm waiting for the thing to drop it
by the end of the season that uh oh, he
actually never filed for divorce, aren't you kind of I mean,
they keep hitting it. I thought, I think they keep
hitting it.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
My guess is they keep hit it because she's essentially
like the two of them are essentially like, we want
to get it out there that we didn't meet until
we were my wife and I were separated. I'm this
far into the divorce proceedings. I both like it seemed
like when I saw that again, it's like, oh, they
went to the producers and like, can we sit down
and just talk about the fact that but she's not
a homewrecker.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
But when the guys confront him about it, he's pretty
he's not very forthcoming.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, by the way, I'll take guy groups. I do
not want to hang out with for a thousand Alex.
Every time I see all them together, it's like, I
don't want to I don't want to be.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
You don't want to sit and throw as.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
A freaking yes as as actually like these are my boys? No, no,
it don't.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
All right, Well, I just felt I just feel like
they really keep hitting this story point, which isn't a
story point, Like it's actually the lack of a story point,
though everybody keeps checking like multiple episodes. Now there has
been this question, but wait a minute, Owen is getting
a divorce, right, Like that has been brought up every episode.
So there's part of me that's like, are they setting

(19:59):
this up to like he's going to turn around and
be like, you know what, Actually, I don't think so.
My lawyer didn't file these now, right, So I'm just
I'm just why are they keep hitting this, because like
I feel like we got it, you know anyway.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I think yeah again, I think it's she wants people
to know that she's not a home wrecker, yes, and
that's why they just keep hitting it.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
You're not Danielle. You're not a home wrecker.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
You're good Danielle.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
All Right. Nick and Vaughan meet up in the street
with Lindsay. They're all dressed up for their wedding. She
gives them flowers. They go to the clerk fill out paperwork,
and uh, your favorite guy's back. Vaughn asks about the
milk Man.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
I love the milk They just keep calling on the
are you with the Milkman?

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Lady in the trimp noodle incident? Them like on a
date that we didn't get to see because I went
on a double day with Andrea and Lexi, which apparently
was so boring it didn't make the cut of the show.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Wait didn't we see it last episode?

Speaker 1 (20:53):
No? Not that they're sharing the pasta and everything. I thought,
why did I think we saw that?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Did we not?

Speaker 1 (20:58):
I don't think we did, Okay, because I I I
the last date we saw Lindsay go on was with
the Okay, yeah, this is the first she was with
the country guy, so it's like, oh, Frank's still in
the mix, and that, you know, even the country guy
was two episodes ago.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
So again, it's because the Milkman is so fucking boring.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
They went at a double date. They were like, this
is the most exciting thing we can do.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
But I love that because she even kind of questions
her where She's like, all right, so you don't want
to be with this guy? But you don't want to
bang him right, like, what the hell's going he wants
to take it's low, like, what's happening right?

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Well? Then I love this moment. She goes, did you guys?
And then is Nick says drink and von says have sex.
At the same time, it's like, did you guys? She
says no, She's still a vision and Vonne says she

(21:50):
is skeptical of Frank, maybe because sir, he's not the
sharpest stool in the shed. O.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
This guy's as sharp as the milky delivers.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, he looks good delivered milk, and maybe that's all
he's good for.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
We deliver milk and with our bodies, you know, we
deliver milk and we're still.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Like, what do you do? What do you do?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Frank?

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I don't know. I feel like, if there's an la wing,
we should order some. Hell, yes, is there an order?
Is what was the name, Maddie, didn't you find the
name of the company?

Speaker 3 (22:17):
I did find the name of the company. Of it
now they delivered milk and produce and yeah, yeah it.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Was it was door Dash. I mean it was like
the guy invented post make k.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
I think they do it in La, and I think
that you guys need to drink his milk and also
drink the lover Boy and try some of the produce.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
We should have them deliver lover Boy. Oh, let's do it.
Will come.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
There's something euphemistic, though, I would rather drink lover Boy
than sip on Frank's milk. Let's let's be honest.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Okay, just from a phrasing standpoint, take some lover Boy
milk will gross, all right. And we've got Amanda with
Reese at her apartment, going to the bathroom and her
a little tiny outdoor square. Her dad Frank shows up.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I don't know how I feel about splitting up dogs.
I don't know how I feel about splitting up dogs.
I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, I don't know how I feel this.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I don't know how I feel about it.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
I've never been in this situation.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
I've always get a dog.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
But if your dogs are like grew up together, you're
like separating siblings. I don't know how I feel about
splitting up dogs.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
That's a good point. I've never thought. I mean, I've
only ever had one dog, and when my ex and
I broke up, she just kept the dog because it
was okay, you know, you just keep keep.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Do a week on a week off, We're gonna do
a week at my place with both the dogs, and
then next week I'll bring both the dogs to you.
I mean, like keep them toget.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
It's got to be tough, man, I'm hugely tough. Her
dad's in her phone as big Daddy. She's never changed it.
I think Amanda has some growing up to do.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Oh but so does Kyle.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Sure, sure, I'm not. It's either or I just feel like,
you know, to realize that this person is has a
been in a relationship for ten years. It's like that's intense,
like to still be talking to each other, like the
way they do yea, And I mean, I guess she's
late thirties, early forties. She just kind of dresses and
acts like a like a college student to me, Yeah,

(24:21):
like you know, like a twenty two year old.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
She sits around and smokes a lot of weed and
doesn't do a whole lot more.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, you know it's she takes her dad out on
the porch. This is like such a New York thing,
Like the speed's so happy about your like two feet
of do you know what I mean, look at this,
it's a palace.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
We are so la that we look at that. We're like,
that's crazy. As we go out into our giant backyards, like, yeah,
if somebody had like the size of one of our
yards in New York, it would be worth like ten
million MILLI Yeah, it's like insane. And I remember feeling
that way. Like if you had like a fire escape
or like a little little outdoor thing, you were stoked. Man.

(24:59):
That was kind of you could put some plants out there.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, you had two of the biggest flexes when you're
in New York. One the elevator that goes right to
your own apartment. But I had a little porch, but
you could also see the river.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah yeah, so I mean like.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
You had like it was like, oh my god, you
might as well have been in a mega penthouse with
every pressed the button and it would open up to
your living room. That was such a flex it was yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
It was a lot of boy meets World money out the.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Door, right friend.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, that was just that was maybe twenty being scared
to move to New York. I'm just gonna spend all
of the money. Yeah, that's when I that's when I
wish my parents had stepped in a little bit, right,
maybe uh, maybe I didn't.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Okay, all did something dumb.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I love when they're coming back from being out in
the on the portrait or dad says, well, good thing,
you don't smoke. She has that awkward moober to play, Yeah,
good thing, I know, which is what she says, Yeah,
good thing, I dot dot dot know. It cuts to
like a shot of her I think from social media,
just like a giant vape hit yes, which made me
think of that. I had this conversation with a friend

(26:03):
of mine who's got a fifteen year old in high school. Now,
so nobody smokes anymore, right, like actual smoking, right, because
that's like what that's a gross thing that old people do.
But they all vape, yeah, which is going to be
way worse for you. But they all call like when
they're vaping, they're talking they're vaping nicotine, right, like flavored nicotine.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Then when they're vaping pot they call it smoking. Interesting, right,
So if they say, like we were smoking, they're actually
talking about vaping. Can we eat? Yeah, But then when
they're saying I was vap, I was vaping they're talking
about nicotine, and none of it actually refers to really
lighting up something and smoking it, because that's just disgusting.

(26:46):
So it's like, in some ways this is progress, and
other ways I'm.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Like, oh see, I don't think it's progress at all.
I think the vape and all the chemicals and that
are going to be so much more worries than actual smoking.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
It's hard.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
If you ever saw did you ever see the Jewel?
The Jewel documentary the creation the first kind of vape?
They were talking about a guy who his job used
to be back in the day. I remember when those
people would go from school to school to school and
try to get you just to quit smoking, like kids
shouldn't smoke, that kind of thing. His interview was so amazing.
He's like, we won. He's like, we had won, kids
weren't smoking. We completely won. And then this fucking jewel

(27:17):
company comes out. He's like, and now all the kids
are vaping. He's like, we'd beaten it. He's like we'd
actually done something. And so, yeah, I think this vape
is going to turn out to be far more dangerous.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Than you think it. Interesting. Yeah, She mentions her dad
how Kyle always complains about her clutter. Cut to Kyle's

(27:47):
apartment where clutter, there's clutter. She apparently puts stuff on
a bed and said, I'm going to clear this off.
And that was two years ago. So he starts purging
stuff with I'm not sure who exactly these two other
women are their friends?

Speaker 2 (28:03):
They look I think it said at the bottom that
originally that they were like a an organization company.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Okay, organizing company. Oh so we hired and organized.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
But he also spoke to them like he knew them.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
I know, for a moment, I was really afraid that
they were his employees at lover Boy, like that, he.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Like, come now, come over and clean up my house ploys,
come and take care of my wife.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Ship. For I was like, Kyle, don't I don't know. Okay,
if he hired these people, he's paying them good. But yeah,
uh perched that ship, man, Kyle. Just pack it all up.
I don't.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
I agree. He's such a child too, just every time
the two of them, they are like two fifteen year
olds playing playing house, playing house. Just both of them
need to grow. God they never had kids, right, Oh man,
I mean my god, it's these two children.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, right back with Amanda and her dad. They sort
of get into the relationship, the break up, and he
points out that the way you you made this sound
like this was a mutual thing. That she says, no,
she's been spearheading it, which is yeah, like basically she's
leaving Kyle. She talks to the camera about how her
parents and Kyle have had a complicated relationship. We get

(29:10):
some flashbacks to her telling her parents how he cheated
on her. You know, obviously they don't react very well,
and then a flashback to Kyle asking her dad for
his blessing and her dad gives this amazing non response
like she's her own person, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Mistake essentially. Yeah, It's like, oh God, which led me
to think about something because I thought again going back
to Jersey Shore, there's several seasons of Jersey Shore where
Ronnie and Sammy are like so horribly toxic. They're smashing things,
They're throwing stuff at each other there. It's awful, okay,
And I think about the parents that have to watch

(29:50):
their their kids in a relationship and watching their partners
treat them like shit. They're physical, sometimes breaking their stuff,
and then like having to go and talk to you know,
it's like he's sitting there talking to Kyle while watching
his daughter do confessionals about being cheated on and all
this got it's gotta be brutal to be a parent.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
One of these. I'm all about arranged marriage. I just
get like, let's just bring it, let's just arrange marriage, like,
because what the success rate is? Horrible? People, we all
make horrible choices in partners. So like the whole idea
that your parents probably know better and like their social
life is. I mean, I'm like, yeah, why not we

(30:31):
like overrate romantic love and our culture I think. I mean,
I'm being facetious obviously, but like, are you kind of not? No?
I would love to have more influence on my sense.
I mean I won't because that's okay, the culture we live.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
This is true. I just googled it. But if this
is true, it's crazy. Arranged marriages report a divorce rate
as low as four percent compared to forty to fifty
percent average in.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
The exact way. And now let's say let's say that
those people like, there's probably I would say twenty percent
who stay married because of social cultural pressure and are miserable.
She'ld say. But like, that's still better odds, you're still
half of the divorce rate. Yes, I think you have
better odds because I think also those people enter into

(31:17):
a marriage with a much more practical like, Hey, this
isn't like my soulmate. This is a person who's their
own person, who has been chosen by my parents and
his or her parents, and they think we should work
it out and figure out how to make this work.
And that pressure is probably more constructive in terms of

(31:39):
like developing the relationship.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Tools, but you're taking emotion out of it, which is
kind of brilliant.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
I write exactly because you're like, hey, like because I
feel like a lot of Western, especially American approaches to
marriages are pretty naive, romantic and a little babyish, you know.
It's sort of like I just get to be me,
and I find the other half of me who's my soulmate,
and we just like magically work. And of course it's

(32:05):
never liked that right. Of course, any relationship, any friendship,
any connection you have takes work, and it has to
be sort of you try and have. You have to
reduce your own emotional like volatility and come at it
with a certain level of objectivity and emotional control and
like all these things that you learn over time, and
it's you know, it's hard to learn. Whereas if you

(32:25):
walk into a relationship being like this is more practical,
we're going to be partners, we're going to have children together.
Whatever your plan is for a marriage, you're walking into
it with like a business plan. I think that's probably
brilliant time O, man, it is.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Well, I mean it's also because I think there's a
there's a horrible misconception nowadays that when your first dating
marriage fifteen and twenty years down the line should still
feel like that. It's like, that's right, that's not accurate. No,
that's not You're not going to be like you're dating
when you're nineteen, when you're in your fifties. That's not
how it.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
We're going to be a completely different person. Yes, you're
got two different people. My god, when I think about
like my life, you know, before marriage, or even like
ten years ago in my marriage, it's a completely different person. Yes,
of course alone my partner, you know, my wife being
a completed by I could just like the way I was, like,
what did I do all day? I did? What? What
a waste of time? Or what a great use of time.

(33:18):
I wish I could have it back, you know whatever,
Like it's it's it.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Feels like an arranged marriages.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Let's set it up, all right. I love it sounds good.
I mean, maybe not just your parents. Maybe it's like
a panel. Yeah, maybe it's a range marriage with like
a panel of your friends. You pick, like, you know,
five of your friends, you have your parents, and maybe
like Pete advice strange. Yeah, and then yeah, a jury
like you form a jury, a marriage jury.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Marriage jury's kind of a reality show in itself. It's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
I bet you. There are a lot of people who
are like in their twenties or early thirties who would
totally just say I'm going to let a jury decide
who I marry, Like yeah, I'm not going to do yeah,
all right. Talking to her dad, Amanda's dad says, you know,
you got to learn how to compromise. Maybe you go
out more with him, but then you go to bed

(34:07):
earlier because he drinks too much. And then she says, no, no, no, no,
I'm going out without him. Yeah, which is again, Amanda,
you're just leaving your husband now? Question?

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Because I did she say she's going out that he
wanted her to go out without him, is what I
thought I heard. I thought I heard, no, he wants
me to go out by myself. No, okay, Then I mishard,
I thought that's what I thought. I heard her saying
that when she's going out is because Kyle wanted her
to go out by herself.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
More No, I think Okay, I got the impression because
she she's just describing Kyle's drinking and going out to
her dad, right, and the dad is like, well, you
guys got a compromise so you can go out, and
then you know, she's like, no, no, no, I'm not going
I'm going out without Hatch And I was like, okay, well,
but I also don't think she's really going out that much.
She just doesn't want to go out with him. She

(34:56):
doesn't want to be at the marathon drinking at nine am,
like she says so.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
But I'm guessing by ten thirty in the morning, she's
high and just hanging out in her apartment yep, hanging
out with a dog, yep.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Googling herself. Yes, you know what I mean. She's probably
looking at comments of people talking about.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Her, yeah, and probably texting.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
West yep, oh it's true. Cut to Williamsburg, which I
think is our first Brooklyn visit. Okay, in the city,
and the guys are meeting up at a golf spot.
This is where you you hit.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
The ball and you try and go far. You want
me to explain this, Okay, It's a golf simulator. It's an
indoor golf simulator, so you can there's it's all computers
and cameras so when you think, monitors your swing and
it shows you how how far the ball hit and
you can play eighteen holes inside.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
All right, so all the all the outdoorsiness, yeah, physical activity,
being outside and experiencing sunshine and nature just sapped.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Hard to do that in New York and play golf.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
I guess. True. Yeah, there are there golf courses, like
there must be golf courses, courses, but.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
They have Jersey the Top golf and all that kind
of stuff where you can go and swing clubs outside,
but like you know, all that really cool place.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
I'm so bad at golf that I can't have fun,
do you know what I mean? Like the only time
I've had fun is like when I would play like
nine holes and they were easy, you know, like There's
there's one of in the Redwoods that I've used to
do with my parents. But like when I played eighteen
whole games like Jesus Christ, like that back nine because
I'm so slow, you know, It's like I knock it
so far out of the way and I'm just chasing

(36:30):
the ball. It's like not even fun anymore.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well so they said it's the old adage just golf
is a beautiful walk ruined.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
So but I do like the idea of like being
outside with your friends, like being in a beautiful spot
and walking around.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I'll take you to a pitching put which you'll love.
Every hole is par three. You can walk. It's really
it's really great that it's a lot of fun. There's
a great one in Van Eys I'll take you to.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
All right, Gavin is wearing Kenny's pants. We find out.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
How is that possible?

Speaker 1 (36:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Gavin's little and Kenny's not.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I guess Kevin just likes the big baggy pants rolls
him up at the bottom. Owen is joining them because
he's kind of new to this group of guys, but
Kenny wants him to feel included, which is thoughtful. They
make a joke about Kyle, if you shoot two hundred yards,
you're gonna get laid, which just made me think about
the fact that it's maybe been seven years or something.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Except for the one girl he slept with, he was
and his wife.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Well, then they ask him no seriously and he says, yes,
that should be the top of the list, but there
are so many other things that he's dealing with. Flashback
to Kyle telling the guys another time they got together,
which we didn't see about how when Amanda moved out
she was in tears and he feels bad. And then
Kenny asks, I think the very important question, which is

(37:43):
why what is it that you keep fighting for? Like
you're really committed to making this work and fighting for this,
but is that really what you want? Which is such
an accurate question. Yes, Kyle admits that he's scared to
think about starting over, which leads Owen to make a
comment about, well, hell, every breakup is hard, which then

(38:06):
Gavin kind of turns on him and is like, are
you sad about your split from your wife?

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, it's Gavin's a shit start.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
And Gavin, this is where I was like, Gavin is
a bit of a shit story because then he's like,
so you met Danielle while you were with your wife.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
He's like just poking through the timeline, through the timeline.
It's like, come on, dude.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
And then they're like all kind of pressing Owen on,
like are you divorcing? Did you file irreconcirable differences? All
this stuff, and then Gavin jumps in to Kenny and
it's like, are you interested in Owen because that's where
you see your relationship, which is like just pushing these things.
And then Ken Kenny tells Gavin that he thrives on toxicity,

(38:42):
which I think is true, and then Gavin sort of like, no, no, no, no,
your relationship is perfect. It's perfect. Never mind the passive
aggressive pass aggressive acceptance bullshit, which just like guys have
it out like just like or just Gavin, just admit
that that's kind of what you're doing. You're just sure.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Staring like you're stern shit, you're poking the bear. And
you also there's and I've met guys like this. They
they are you want it's your friend that you hang
out with, you party with, you pick up chicks with,
you do all this stuff, and then they get into
a relationship and You're like, well, I want that friendship back,
so I've got to try to sabotage that relationship and
just needle away at it a little bit to make

(39:21):
my friend come back to me. So we're at the
bars again together, and it's like.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
I think he's also the producer's dream.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Oh, I think because he has.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
No Everyone else is like partnered with somebody, do you
know what I mean? Like they have they have that
they have like somebody who they can double check with.
Be like he has nobody, which means he has the producers.
So the producers are whispering in his ear, being like
you should bring up that thing with Ken, maybe you should,
And he's just like falling for it. I think he's
just like eating it up. So they love him, they

(39:50):
love They're like winding him up there. Not only does
he provide the locations because he's a restaurant door, yeah exactly,
he provides them with all the locations, and he's totally
probably feels behold and because his whole business right now
is built on this show bringing attention to.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
It's such a win win for him.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
It's such a win win. He owes the producers. You
know that they're like, hey, could you uh, did you
hit Kenny again about that thing that you guys were
arguing about.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
He's like, sure, I'm guessing that shitster wouldn't be a
good name for a restaurant in New York, probably not
to be like, oh yeah, that might not be the best.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Thing ever could drink, though, maybe you should come up
with that. By the end of what is a shitster?

Speaker 2 (40:27):
It's a shitster? Yuck?

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Oh my god. Lindsay, Yvonne and Lexi are in the
Star talking ovulation schedules, yeah, checking their apps. We get
some crazy math montage of how complicated it is only.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Twelve hours, by the way, twelve hour if that's true.
That's crazy that you can only get pregnant twelve hours
a month.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
That's it's a mirror small anybody gets pregnant, right, very
small window.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
That's that's nuts. Yeah, I've heard the thing about positions,
but I had no idea. He started calling it verse cowboy.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
That's not it at all. To be fair, he's got
a language, he does. He's clearly girl. Yeah. Uh so, yeah,
we get this whole Lexi talking about Andrea and how
they're having sex all the time. He's sore he's crying.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
That was so funny.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
He's trying to jump roupe, so keep this energy up.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
This was funny, trying to get the blood rushing down
and it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Then Evonne asks Lindsey why Frank and her are not
having sex. Lindsay says she wants to take it slow,
and this Yvonne starts grilling her, why aren't you sleeping
with this guy? And you know, this is where I
was sort of like, Evon, what do you like? You're
kind of pushing your.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Friend, Like, oh see, I thought this was exactly what
she needed, because I think it's fair where it's like,
if what you're looking for is a warm body to
just get.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Laid, you should be having sex with this guy.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
You should be having sex with this guy. And if
you're not, and you're looking for a part nor, this
isn't the guy for you, right. I think that's what
she's kind of saying. It is.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
I wish she was had been that clear, because that's
kind of what I got to too. I was like,
what is her point? And her point is she's trying
to catch Lindsey in a contradiction, right, She's trying to
point out and that just never really works as a
friend strategy, right, Like it's better to be like here's
what I think it should just be better. She's like,
I don't think Frank is that good for you? And
I don't think you think Frank is that good for you?

(42:25):
But you tell me like that's a way to do it,
not to be like wait a minute now, it's like
you wanted to have fun because that like I just
feel like everybody gets defensive, you know, like if you
have if and that's where I was like, you're being
like Gavin, You're doing the same thing, like just be clear,
like if Gavin were just clear, like I think Whitney's
bad for you or but he's never going to say
that because of course that's kind of a dick.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
I think her had. She said, look, Frank is perfect.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
If you just want to have fun.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, yeah, perfect dude, debang, but you're not probably just
do it leads me to believe that you're looking for
a relationship and this is not the dude that you
should be with.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yes, So I think if I think that kind of
clarity is being a good friend. And I think that's
her point. It's just unfortunately it comes across kind of challenging,
like to the boy says, why do you have weird
beef with this guy? She has to say, I don't
have weird beef with the milkman. It's like, yeah, you
kind of do. I do have weird people.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Oh God, to get something delivered from this company.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Weird beef with the milkman, and we get Kenny waiting
at a table for his dad. I just thought this
was such a point, like arranging the table, like trying
to make it perfect, like shaking, and yet it was
really super touching. They hug, they're crying. Kenny talks about
how you know all these hatt his pictures of them

(43:42):
when they were in London at fourteen years old.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
And they keep showing those same three pictures, three of you.
It's like three, but they never get into why they
haven't spoken. And that's what I was hoping for, was
hoping for some and they're they kind of they're both like.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Well, you know, it just kind of our lives went separate.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Your life doesn't go a separate way when you're fourteen,
Like that's that's two adults whose lives go separate ways
when you're a kid. Either your mom is telling you
that you're not gonna be with your dad anymore, or
your dad is telling you, hey, sport, I might not
have a chance to be. It's never a mutual. You know.
My fourteen year old son and I looked at each
other and realized our lives were going up.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
I agree. I think I think obviously the father bears more,
Larry bears more responsibility in the situation. But I think
for Kenny it's not it's probably not worth holding his
feet to the fire, you know. It's like it's like this, Yeah,
let's just let's have some relationship. And I think that,
but that's part of the awkwardness, you know, Like I
feel like a lot of these reunions in real life.

(44:41):
I think that I think that everybody, you know, everybody
that has had a lack of a parent, parental figure
or parental figure that's disappeared on them. I think there's
a there's a fantasy element of like, oh, once I
get them back or once I have them in my life,
will sort of fall back into this great father son relationship,

(45:03):
you know. I mean, this is what this was. The
Shawn Hunter storyline was always just around right. It was like, oh,
if my dad has failed me and let me down.
But this time is going to be the time where
he doesn't. And you were always kind of like Sean,
it's not going to be what you think. And it's
true in this too, Like I think probably even six
months from now, they might barely talk again. But Kenny

(45:24):
is in a place where his mom has died. I
think he's he feels this lack of a parental figure,
so he has he has to sort of play this out.
They have to play this out, and I think they
both are going to realize, like you know, they probably
are kind of different people. They might not get along
all that way. Well see each other. It's not going
to be the dad that he really secretly really wants,
which he probably can't even admit to himself, but that's
what he wants, right. It's a tricky thing, man, And

(45:46):
that's but that's what I like about these states is
that I feel like they're playing that out. They're letting
that play out pretty realistically. And the dad, you know,
he says that thing, you know where he's like, just
seeing you has put me more at peace, you know,
whatever happened. Even he says, like even if I saw
you and you were not doing well or how does
he put it? He says something He's just like it

(46:08):
would still put me up, Like it's better to be
in touch, and I made this connection that to not.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Even he said something along the lines of like just
knowing you were alive, what would have been enough for
me as a kid. It's just like he's like, when
it's your kid, you just as long as you're alive.
I'm okay kind of thing. But yeah, it's you know,
they say never meet your heroes for a reason. They's
probably built it up in his head. And you're right.
Who knows what down the line, if there's still in
each other's lives or not, or how much of this

(46:33):
was perpetrated by the show. I mean, who knows. It
could be that by day one they could be like, hey, Kenny,
why don't we try to get you in touch with
your dad? You'd be like my dad, that's a weird
kind of and then they ran with that. I mean,
you never know with this stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
We got to Amanda's apartment where Kyle comes over Barren Flowers.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I think it's gonna work out this time. I don't
think they're going to fight at all.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
God, it's just so sad.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, it's comically, but it's watching two children to keep
going back to this to very emotionally arrested people. At
least one of the both of them appear to have
substance problems. She hers is sitting around smoking weed all day,
his is drinking way too much. And it's two kind

(47:31):
of people that probably leaned on each other during this
weird experiment of this reality show they were in and
now are you know, just in a toxic relationship and
it's best for both of them to just pick up ties,
flip a coin to see who gets which dog, and
walk away. And that's what you gotta do.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I mean, I really, I know I've said this before,
but I really wish we didn't know yy oucome, because
I'm so curious how we would feel watching this without
knowing that she's with West, And yeah, I just think
I would be a little more.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
To her. It taints her, I think, so, yeah, it's
completely taints her knowing that whether she cheated or not,
which my guess is maybe not physically, but emotionally, I
will guess she's texting with West every freaking day at
this point. It does it makes you look at her
in a different light than if it was just two
people going through something and then they broke up, they'd

(48:28):
been broken up for a while, and then she meets someone.
It's like, Okay, hey, good for you, but this is
kind of like, ooh, I already don't like you going in.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah. Yeah. And it's also like it's so front loaded
with knowing that they're going to break up that these
struggles just feel like they feel futile. Yeah, do you
know what I mean, Like we already know, whereas I
think if we were watching that without knowing, there'd be
a little bit more of like, I mean, we probably
still would come down on they shouldn't be together, but

(48:58):
I think there'd be a little bit more of like
maybe they could work this.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Out or I don't know, I don't know, but you know,
you know, the bombshell of her being now with his
best friend has so skewed looking at her that we're
on the side of the cheating alcoholic Yeah. I mean,
it's amazing because we're like, how could she do this

(49:22):
to him? And it's like, well, apparently he cheated on
her a bunch, He drinks all the time, he never
shows up, and we're still like team him, which is weird.
So yeah, they're just two I think, broken people who
probably need to just be and not again. She jumped
right to another relationship. She said herself, she's never lived alone.
This is somebody who needs to be by themselves for
a while. Just be just be by yourself, work on yourself,

(49:45):
be alone. Don't be in another relationship, just be alone.
You need it.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
So yeah, see as it is, I just feel like
we're watching a zombie. Yeah, relationship one hundred percent that
we you know, that we know is over. It's all
in the past.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
They know it's over too, though. I think I don't
think either of them are actually fighting for this thing.
They want to look like they are. Both of them
want to look good coming out of it, but neither
of them well.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Considering this position of like how you are as the
spectator watching this absentee relationship brought to mind French theorists
Christian Mets. Oh to you too, Yeah, French French film
theorist who I loved in college. Really interesting guy. He

(50:32):
is like famous for being like one of the first
to really discuss the semiotics of film. The semiotics. Oh
semiotics is one of the best it's the study of signs.
So the idea of like you know, often semiotics are
about language, but also about written word or emojis whatever, whatever,

(50:56):
like the study of signs and how human brains interpret
sign science. And so he basically came to movies and
cinema with the question of is film a language?

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (51:09):
And he sort of said not really, he said it
was no, no. But what he did he created, He
did try and dig into like the grammar of cinema.
Then later in his career he sort of entered more
of a like a psychoanalytic phase. And this is really
fun where he talked. He talked about just like the

(51:29):
reality of sitting in a movie theater and watching a
movie and how like one of his main main things
was like you're never watching something that's actually there, right,
You're watching something that was captured on film. You're watching
basically the absence of something. So in other words, if
you go to see a play, you're watching people in

(51:51):
front of you do a thing, whereas a movie is
always imaginary, it's always a memory, it's always something that's
not there. So actually what we're selling branding when we're
watching or when we're enjoying when we're watching movies is
something that's already gone. It's like the absence of a
thing is actually the presence that we're enjoying.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
So it's like you're not listening to the music, you're
hearing the echo.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Basically, yeah, right, And so what he's he gets into
like how that changes like the level the way that
we watch films and the way we sort of desire films,
and like the way that we feel desire when we're
watching a movie because we're kind of always there's like
a built in he didn't use this word, but there's
a built in nostalgia, right, It's like we're there, we're
sort of like fantasizing about the presence of something that's gone,

(52:35):
that's that's never gonna be again. And he also just
he had all these cool thoughts about like how movie
theaters are public private dream states, Like basically, we want
to go to a movie theater to be around other people,
but to have a private brain experience that we're somehow
still sharing with those people around us, right sense, And

(52:56):
it is not a weird contradiction. And he like would
break that down to like different hearts. You would be
like you know, there's there's a belief, like there's a
fiction that you get into when you sit and watch
a movie. Like you know when you're watching a movie
that everything in there is fake, right, Like if it's
a it's a narrative film, right, you know that it's
not a real story, but you also in order to

(53:17):
enjoy it, have to kind of tell yourself somebody believes
this is real. Right. So anyway, Christian Metz wonderful theorists,
super fun to read about and like geek out about.
I actually went and found a paper that I wrote
in college because I like typed his name into my
search engine or into my computer, and I wrote a
whole thing about how Mets would how he would conceive

(53:38):
of the DVD because like DVDs were still kind of
new when I was like the new thing. Yeah, so
I wrote about DVDs and like how you know it
actually like the whole notion of being able to watch
a movie wherever, and like I just broke it down
through his theories I broke and then the film commentary
and the extras, the behind the scenes extras, Like I

(53:58):
did this whole breakdown anyway, Christian Metz, cool thinker.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
It makes sense that that if it's in New York,
it would have something to do with the mets Hey
totally makes sense. Totally mess all right.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Kyle brings up that Amanda didn't take everything, and she says,
would you want me to hire movers just get all
my shit and have it sit here? Kind of yes?
Kind of Amanda, If that you're going to move out,
move out? I think so yeah. I think I think why,
you know, why saddle him with all of your stuff

(54:33):
and the furniture and then move into a crappy apartment
or not crappy apartment, nice a barment, but like with
nothing there and like make it his problem.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
She keeps straddling the fence and it's like, dude, what
are you doing? What do you do?

Speaker 1 (54:46):
They get into it about her last night at the
apartment bringing people over that she didn't know, and then
he brings up I think this very valid point that
she just interrupted his work call to say goodbye that day,
which I talked about. He was like in the middle
of a meeting, and he says he was on a
call about a five million check. A five million dollar check, dude,

(55:07):
Like that's kind of a big deal.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
And the second this is this to me, was just
showed a huge I'm sorry, but a huge lack of
character on her part, where the second he was bringing
up legitimate things like the business, and no, she's like,
oh okay, because the business, Like she was like putting
like like quotes around things and like putting a voice
to it, like oh yeah you really need oh oh

(55:31):
it would drive me dippy, I imagine, like totally disrespectful
and like, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
You it's hard because there's obviously so much better, but
they're not. They're not treating each other very well.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
These are not people that love it. These people don't
even like each other.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
No, that's so it's it's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing to me.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah. She brings up him cheating in the past, really
hammers her on this bad behavior, and she has this
line and she says, I know what you want for me,
which I guess means more attention to his work or
respect for you know, but she doesn't think that he's
capable of changing for her, which is just kind of unfair.

(56:14):
I'm like, okay, well, if that's the way you feel,
then why you what are we doing here? Yeah? Exactly,
like spell it out for him, give him the chance
to change.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I think the drinking is the thing that she's spelling
out the most. I think it's the drinking. It's like,
you gotta and again that's hugely legitimate. I mean, if
you're if you're married to an alcoholic or somebody who's
got a serious drinking problem, that's that's a big deal.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
And it's like and it's so insidious though too, because
I mean it's hard because I'm sure Amanda enjoys a
drink every once. We soon her enjoy drinks. Yes, she's
so there's always that's the hard part about drinking, you know,
and drugs. It's just it's really hard to step in
and like draw that line, you know, because you don't

(56:55):
want to push people away too forcefully. If you're like
you need to you need to stop drinking, or I'm
never going to talk to you again. Chances are that
person's not going to talk to you again. That's not
do it. No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
That's why the interventions and that that kind of stuff
of like I love you, I'm here for you. We
need to do this together. This is affecting both of us.
But we got to work on this. I mean that's
but that's not how she's coming at it, even slightly so.
But yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Get, I mean, I get.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
I wouldn't want to be married to somebody I'm in
my early forties who's out till two, three, four o'clock
at every morning? And do I mean that'd be awful.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
If I didn't have kids, I wouldn't would be out
there with them.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
No, you wouldn't be out there till four o'clock. I go, yeah, yeah,
in my early forties.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I mean I'm mid forties now, so no, y, but
early for a year ago, not a problem. No, without
if I didn't have kids, like, I'd be socializing all
the time.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Oh man, we're so different. We're so different.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Yeah. No, I love being out. You know, I'd be
hosting charades or I'd be doing stuff constantly now, because.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Stuff is the worst.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Social stuff. Friends are the worst, the worst. Obligations the worst.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
All right, you got a cocktail for this I do
my friend, and this cocktaim to get to tell you
how to make it. Then you're going to guess the
name we do the This cocktail is dedicated and this
will help me maybe guess the name to the women
of in the city, especially recently. So you take lots
of ice, one tablespoon of honey, a quarter cup of Hennessy,

(58:28):
a half a cup of rum chatta, one buzzball, which
is a specific kind of drink you have, uh preferably
the Choco teas flavor, and a splash of frappuccino. Baby Maker,
the baby maker. That is correct, That is correct. That
is the babymaker. Apparently a little little buzz to just

(58:52):
get yes, So that is the baby maker. And as
they as they say, as I heard one of one
quotes say on the internet, if you drink at all,
your pants are gonna fall. So there you go, the
baby maker.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Amazing. Alright, all right, I like that.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
But what was the there's a ball fuzzballs, I don't know,
I don't know it's and it's it's obviously a brand
name because it's capital b u z Z, capital b
A l l Z. I guess I.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Think maybe we should replace that with lover boy.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Oh God, raise your balls with lover boy.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
A scrow talks injection. That's the real way to have
a baby the real baby maker. Get a scrow talks injection,
Have a lover boy, rotox sip a love a boy,
drink a boy, and.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Do some do some jump rope and call it a night,
my friend, as what did Amanda say she was in
the backwards bridge position or.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Something like that. Let's just bring on the reverse cowboy.
You've been listening to the pod meets Twirl. The parties
may and the friendships may fracture, and they are cheese
and old cocktails. They lose their garnish, But our deeply
overqualified analysis of televised social catastrophe will endure until next time.
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