July 17, 2026 • 50 mins
They said it couldn’t be done. They said they wouldn’t survive. But somehow, Will and Rider entered the Bravo-sphere and lived to recap it. It’s the final episode of In The City Season 1, and it’s been quite an emotional journey.
Rider has a shocking admission to make about his own ITC metamorphosis, but will he continue to follow the drama??
And with one Bravo season under his belt, Will shares his theory on why reality TV is so popular. Plus, we get a boots on the ground report from the podcast's newest special correspondent, Boy Meets World alum Lee Norris!
So join us, as they close out the tab (that is, until the reunion…) on Pod Meets Twirl'd: Metropolitan Mess!
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to pod meets Tworld, a podcast that began with
Dancing with the Stars, continued through castles, traders, and strategic deception.
And because our producers, along with many of our listeners,
apparently enjoy watching two confused, middle aged men struggle through
wildly successful reality television, we have now arrived at a
place neither of us understands Bravo, specifically In the City. Now.
(00:32):
Usually these shows involve a game, a competition, a cash prize,
a goal, but apparently this is different. There are no challenges,
no murder, mysteries, no judges, no dance scores, just wealthy
adults attending parties, drinking, dating, and keeping tabs on one another.
We are right or Strong, a man who prefers stories
with structured themes and an ending, and Wilfredell, who was
told there would be some humor among the cocktails and betrayals,
(00:55):
join us as we enter a world of social warfare,
passive aggression, luxury apartment and confessionals delivered with a gravity
of international diplomacy. This is Podmets Twirled, Metropolitan mess hi
Will Hi Rider. We made it, did we? We made
it through a season of in the City. Well, there's
(01:16):
still the reunion. Yeah, I have to say I expected
a little more drama. I think where this landed makes
me feel like, you know what it is. It's like
I went through the drive through at McDonald's and midway
eating it, I was like, Oh, this is gonna fill
(01:37):
me up, This is gonna fill me up so good,
and then you're done eating and you're like, I could
get another burger.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I thought you were gonna say horrible diarrhea, which is
I think.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
More more where I was. What I'm saying is this
show feels like a tease. It feels like like you're
gonna get seated, We're gonna fill you up, and instead
it just makes you hungrier and like I want it.
I actually like feel I wanted people to like really
go for the drama and like take me there right. Instead,
it's like, now I got to watch another season. Well,
I'm curious shows.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I'm curious, and maybe I'm Maddie, and maybe Maddie would
be able to know this answer, but I'm curious. It
almost seems like this show was created as a spin
off of Summer House, solely based on the drama of
them splitting up and then him being with her being
with West, but then why would West not be on
(02:28):
the show? Yeah, and also plan that, But at the
same time, it's like, yeah, yeah, I agree with you
one hundred percent. I still I don't get the point
of this show. And I don't know if it's this
show particularly, or it's all these shows of just people
sitting down at meals and getting into fights, like and
(02:48):
I think that's the and I think it might just
be this entire version of reality TV that I just
don't understand.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Here's the thing. Weirdly, I've come to like these people really, yes,
And you know, because when we started the show, I
was like I was a little skeptical that I could
like people. You know, I think I was judgmental. I
think I was judge of the fact that these people,
I would say, because of their wealth and their privilege.
I would be like, why do these aren't real life problems?
(03:17):
You know? And but by the end of this I'm
kind of like, yeah, you know, I've spent time, Like basically,
I feel like this is show is like a trailer
for like a big chill style movie that I would
want to watch. Wow, does that make sense? Like it
does it? It's like, there I don't agree actual much drama.
It's most of the drama is like a preview of
(03:37):
like we could be we could have a huge blowout
fight and never be friends again, but we'll see you
next season when we're just gonna work it all, you know,
because they do kind of just work stuff out like
it's miscommunication. It spreads, it spreads, it teases you. It's like, oh, oh,
they're gonna have it out, and then they kind of like,
you know, because they they have to admit like, yeah,
I did say that, and I'm sorry I said hurt
your feelings and we're gonna be friends, and so no,
(04:00):
it's I guess it's a weird like I kind of
crave like a Slice of life movie version of these people,
and I be into that as as it is, though
the show is just kind of like invites you in.
You get a little taste and then it's just you know,
But now I do feel like I need to keep watching.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I just didn't get the appeal of the show to
me that the sitting it still makes me very anxious.
It makes me feel like, you know, I like to
avoid conflict. That's one of the reasons I've talked about
this before. Where I think I've I've honed my my
comedy is because I know I can avoid a lot
of conflict by making people laugh and doing stuff like that.
So a show that's totally based around uncomfortable moments and
(04:37):
dinners and people yelling at each other is absolutely just
not for me.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Again, some of the people are are They're all fine,
They're fine, you know, they're fine.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It's a reality show, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
It's I'm not looking for my morality to be you know,
they're they're not dictating my moral compass.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I know exactly why I'm tuning in, so.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
But yeah, but for me, it's there's I mean, we've
talked about however, it's already been announced that we're doing
married It first site next and I've seen that show before,
and so there were other shows that, when I've turned
them on, reality shows were way more of a breath
of fresh air than something like this was.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
To be well, Married at first Sight is more of
like a social experiment, right, There's yeah, there's there are
real stakes. This show is like determined against stakes, and
I think that you know, that's it's it's a weirdly
soothing thing. I can totally see how people. You know,
I feel like I know these people kind of well
enough to like hang out with them or like make
slight judgments about like I didn't like the way she
(05:34):
said that. She could phrase that better, or he really
butted in there when it wasn't, you know, like those
kinds of like social observations. I don't know, like I
could see why people get hooked on this crowd. I
can't too, because people also just crave drama. The drama.
It's it's it's like it's it's melodrama maybe is the
right term. It's like right, because you know it's not.
If it was real drama, it would be married at
(05:54):
first sight, it would be survivory even you know, it
would be a much more like this is somebody's gonna
make or break there, you know. In this case, I
guess there is the real drama. I would say the
only true drama of this entire season is Kyle and
Amanda break. You know, yeah, like that is the only
true life transition that's sad, you know, and because you know,
(06:15):
the other big drama, which I put in quotes, is
the babies being born. You know, but like otherwise or
maybe him finding his dad.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean, that was but it seemed to almost seemed
a little manufactured for the show though. Sure, that's the
thing where it's just kind of like, okay, you're now
we're because yeah, there's I mean, are there any of
these Here's what I would ask. Are there any of
these people that you could see yourself being good long
term friends with.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I mean, by the end of this, I was like,
I genuinely like, I was like, you know, none of
these people are that bad, like no problem, and I
don't feel like I really know them, so yeah, I
could be, like I think I could be in this
friend group. Like by the end, I was like, really,
I'd probably be like the owen of the friend group,
Like I'd be the one just kind of like in
(07:01):
the back of my mind half the time being like
I can't believe these people are drinking and talking about
this again, you know, but I would still be fine
being there because they don't think it's actually that dramatic,
Like I don't think they're that fight quite a bit.
I mean, I can't fight quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's like that's the thing is I just look at
them and I see again, I don't see bad human beings.
I just see a group of people that I wouldn't
want to hang out with, right and again, having nothing
to do with their moral character or any of that
kind of stuff. It's just these are people that love money,
love love designer things.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
They're all grave looking people, which is so interesting. I mean,
I guess my my bigger, like sort of overall question
is like why this, Like why do we settle as
a culture into like because I know that they've made
reality shows following all different types of sure, right, but
why do we consistently come back to wealthy uh, you know,
(07:53):
low stake situations where people are mostly gossiping and backstabbing.
Like that does seem to be the bravo vers, you know,
you know, whether it's the Housewives or like, we don't
watch shows where like I don't know, I'm trying to
think of an alternative example of like you know, a
group of a friend, group of like people that are
struggling with their jobs or you know, like we don't
(08:14):
get like the Roseanne version. But you know, if if
there's were a sitcom, it seems like we see you
do if we do the hospitals, do you know the
way you do actually and it's interesting, I would go
when you're going for blue collar, I think they mask
the drama of blue collar with making it about whatever
job the people are doing.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So like Deadliest Catch, where which is still to me
the greatest reality show that's ever been made, where they're
crab fishing, but it's still about the drama of the
captain firing the green horn and it's all that stuff,
but it's it's wrapped up in a blue collar bow. Hey,
I'm working, we're building motorcycles, we are crab fishing, we're
hunting for gold. Where you're still watching for the people,
(08:56):
but you get to tell yourself you're watching because it's
a world you know nothing about. And going back to
what you're saying, I think Bravo and why people like
to watch it is because it's an interesting balance of
jealousy of wanting to be those.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
People and security better than you. I don't know, man,
I think that I think it might be even simpler
for me than that. Like, I feel like there's just
kind of a weird sense of community that came over
me by the end, you know, when they were like
updating everybody at the end, I was like, oh yeah,
I guess I kind of kind of do want to
spend some time with these wows weird. I was like,
(09:35):
I just you feel like you're in the friend group.
You know, it's like we're adjacent to these people and
you just because by you know, you show up every day,
you look at them all the time. They're beautiful. They
have like fancy cars and fancy clothing, and it's like, yeah, sure,
I guess I could see it, Like it's just kind
of like why not, you know, what else am I
doing my TV watching? I guess it's people love Podmets World.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I mean a lot of people say that they're like,
we feel like we just get to hang out with
your you know during In fact.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
The fact that we're talking about something low stakes is
part of the appeal, right, Yeah, like it because we're
not we're not an NPR show covering, you know, the
war in Ukraine, or we're not talking about actually important stuff.
We're talking about our TV show that we did when
we were kids. And I think that's part of the comfort.
Is like, look, because people's lives are hard. Everybody's like,
you know, so when you want your entertainment to just
(10:22):
be an escape, Like I think there's worse things. You know.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Oh I don't disagree, but for me, what the constant
fighting and bickering just makes me uncomfortable. So I find
nothing relaxing about watching the show, right, Like I I
watched through my fingers a lot of times, like oh god,
I just I don't want to be in this room
with these people.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I hated high school and this is very high spread
to me. Okay, you know, I'm realizing the moment. For me,
it's it's it's it's. The Gavin Kenny scene in this
episode really got me very say, because I feel like
he has been we pointed out he's been like the
producer's avatar. He's been the shit stirr, he's been the one,
and you could see him having to confront that. Yeah,
and it felt very real and it felt like he
(11:00):
prioritized and was like no, And I love that he
wouldn't admit that he cried later because it's you know,
because it showed a drive towards privacy that felt very
human and felt like he wasn't just crying for that.
He was actually embarrassed probably that he had had that moment.
And I was like, you know, these people are actually
probably pretty good friends, and they're probably will be there
for each other when it really matters, and that this
(11:22):
is just a TV show that they're you know, they're
all taking a living off of, and they're all able
to like. And I can see it, Like if you're
a beautiful, rich person and somebody comes up to you
and says, could you just can we just follow you
guys around? I could see, you know, for for better
or worse. I could see why people would agree to
do that.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Well, yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I also again, I see in this day and age,
there really is no such thing as bad publicity, and
the idea that if you get on one of these shows.
I mean, it was funny. Sue and I were having
a talk the other day where I'll bet you the
vast majority of people on reality shows, whatever reality show,
have auditioned for.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
A bunch of them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It's never like, oh, I've only wanted to be on
this one show, so I just auditioned. No, these people
are sent out for married on first Sight, they sent
out for love, love is Blind, They want to be
on survivor, they just want to be on reality TV.
Because the second you get on these things, you get
hundreds of thousands of followers. It means money, right, So
that's why, as they say they're lower third on this,
(12:21):
half of them say influencer, because that's what it is now.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
This is how you influence people. And I think most
people want to do this.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It's again the American dream is getting as much money
as possible for doing as little work as possible, and
hopefully fame comes with that.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
That's the American dream. But I also, I also, I
mean my joke Instagram handle is that we're all influencers now,
as Socrates once said, and it's but I think it's true. Like,
you know, I wrote it as a joke at one
point whenever I was setting up my account or re
revising my account. But I've come to realize, like everybody
I know, like every artist, whether you're an actor, whether
(12:55):
you're a musician, whether you're a business person, it's like
you have to kind of be an influencer. Yeah, you
have to reach your audience or your consumers or whatever.
And part of that means, you know, reaching out through
social media and putting yourself front center in a way
that I'm very uncomfortable with. Like I'm you know, I
like it word based sometimes. You know, I used to
be into Twitter. I'm not anymore, but like it's hard
for me, you know, it's it's it's but I don't
(13:17):
have it at all. I mean our podcast though, is
that you know? Like our podcast is us being influencer? Sure?
And like so I get it, like and and you know, yeah,
it's it's. It's. It's sort of a weird state of
affairs that, like, because publishing is available to all of us,
we have no longer gatekeepers. We don't have editors, we
don't have record companies, we don't have studios gatekeeping whether
(13:39):
our content, whether that's what we write, what we say,
what we whatever. Since we don't have those gatekeepers, we're
all equal. And so how do you stand out? You know,
and how do you rise above and actually get to
make art or get to express yourself in some way?
You hope it's talent, but what does talent even mean?
You know, like because because you could be the best
singer in the world, but people listen unless you know
(14:01):
they're already following you or you know, whatever, you have
to get the word out there or what do they say?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Ninety nine percent of the artists on Spotify it's only
the top one percent that actually get downloaded.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's like literally don't and make any money.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, I still I pitched the show that I want
to pitch again to somebody, which is literally just called
the ninety nine and it's every week you have on
one of the ninety nine percent that never gets anything
in Spotify and you do a live music show.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
All right, Episode nine in the City, out of the
city in Connecticut at a farmhouse. The two episodes, like
the Big Ultimate Drama completely takes place out of the city,
so on a shovel in the city. Yes, so they
are still doing their thanks. They're friends giving. We see
the night before when they're talking about their paintball bruises
(14:47):
and eating somemores. Next day, we have a shopping mission
going with Kyle, Danielle, Kenny Whitney, and Owen. Lindsay is
talking to her baby over the over her phone facetiming
with her baby. There's this funny moment in the store
where Kyle gets Amanda some Pirates booty and says, that's
how I win her back. She survives on Pirates, Yeah,
(15:10):
because she stoned. We all love Pirate booty, trust me.
But like it. We get a flashback to the night before, which,
after apparently the drama of their big blowout, he did
say I love you to her. Danielle tells Whitney that
the whole single mom card comment, you know, they start
(15:30):
talking about that and and Danielle explains that they're gonna
hold onto this phrase if you're not careful, And then
Danielle realizes that Whitney is actually not backing down from
the comment. She's kind of doubling doubling down right exactly.
I was not sure where I fall in this conversation.
I don't either, I know, because you said something last
week about how you would play she did play the
(15:52):
mom card. We'll get into it, because I do think
she did, and I think you know, and I think
that that criticism is pretty valid. But then there's a
extra layer that Whitney keeps adding to it, which is
she has a nearness she can't and it's like, but
she's not really complaining that much about being a mom.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
She also is this is a mom and is is
a single mom.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yees, she has help, but a lot of people do.
She's a single mom.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But I love that and we'll get into it later.
But I love how they always there.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It's like, you can't play the single mom card. It's
because you hate all women.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
And it's like, wait, whoa, whoa, it's a little hell
did that come from?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, so it was that they jumped it up. They
ratcheted it up quite a bit. All right. Well, Amanda
and the crew are going apple picking, and Amanda goes
through describing her panic attack and her feelings there, which
I mean, it definitely sounds like a textbook panic. Oh yeah, yeah,
she had a foot. But the way she phrases is
she says she's she heard her voice or something in
her saying bitch, get out, which I kind of took
(16:51):
to me, and that she was talking about the relationship
like she needs to Yeah I did too this okay, yeah,
ok too.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Like it was it was just something snapped and it
was like she was like, it's definitely over soon.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
They're interesting that we kind of saw it on camera
and that they chose to make it at that filmmic
moment we talked about. Yeah, seems pretty accurate for her experience.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's also I mean, it seems kind of one of
the things she's talking about is the culmination of he
was clearly drunk again and kind of yelling about I'm
not doing this, I'm not doing and.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
She probably just saw the rest of her life and
was like, can't it's going to send This is never
gonna stund. It's never gonna stu either. I mean, it's
they're so they are some people are just wrong for
each other.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And it's also it's one of those things where people
always say, and I get it, we're in love, Okay.
Love is the easiest part of any relationship. You basically
don't don't. You're not making yourself fall in love. Either
fall in love or you don't. Love is love, that's
it's it's just a feeling in your brain.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
It is literally eating so again.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But the rest of the relationship is is trust and
respect and intimacy, and now love is easy Stott. You
know how many people are in prison for killing people
they loved. That's it's not I'm sick of hearing. But
we're in love. Your relationship is not working. And I
think she we did.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
We saw it. It was captured on film where she
was like, I'm done. Yeah, I think I think ten
years is a good long drive. Yeah, he gave it
a shot. Yeah, all right with the other crew. Lindsay
is clearly upset about the single mom card being played.
We got back to Whitney and her car, saying, well,
she is a nanny, so they just keep going. Showdown
is coming, showdown is coming. We get to the apple
(18:33):
picking cider spot. Thank god, there's alcoholire. I know we're
so Connecticut.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
This just brought me right home their spots.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It looks so cold. Yeah, doing this in northern California. No,
you got to wrap your something beautiful. And then once
they arrive, they get out of the car and Lindsay
immediately just starts talking like about being a mom. She's
like baiting. I couldn't believe it. All right, the drinking begins.
(19:02):
Luckily they have cider so we can drink noon. Yes,
they do some apple picking and they sit around a fire,
freezing cold. Lindsey goes to the car. We'll find out
why later. Call him frank guy, get that milk, the
milkman on the milkman on the line, my friend. So
then Georgina brings up the single mom card comment to Whitney,
(19:24):
and Whitney's defense is about her relationship with Yvonne. She says,
I have different standards of behavior with friends, which is
this is where I was kind of like, okay, like
that is a valid critics. You did do the mom
card like and you know, and this is this is
the valid critics, Like saying you were playing is like
(19:45):
not worth like you were just a shitty friend is
really what It's like you use the mom thing and
that was your excuse, but really you just took this
opportunity to kind of not support your friend who you know,
Yvonne again whatever. So that's the criticism I do think
is valid. So they go at it Whenne's trying to
make it about how Lindsay treats her friends, which I
think is valid. Yeah, but Georgina is insulted on behalf
(20:07):
of the mother comment, which I also think is valid.
I don't disagree, but she takes it to this level
of you two just don't like women as a couple,
which is an intensely I know, I know, but I
do think, you know, it was interesting to see Georgiana
to get this emotional because she's actually been pretty cool
like this entire season, and you know, I think it's
one of those things like when you are when you're
(20:29):
friends with with people that don't have kids, especially if
you're a single mom, like you probably feel. I just
I just think she's defensive, like overly sensitive, do you
know what I mean? And she's emotional and sensitive in
a way that it probably isn't warranted, but you know,
I get it because like there have been there have
(20:51):
been times I like watched my wife, you know, like
she's lost it on me during a Mother's Day one time,
you know, because really, oh yeah, you know, and like
for me, like I really like, I think I'm giving
her credit all the time, but I think that there's
something to be you know, mom specifically that is very
exhausting and taken for granted by by most people, you know.
(21:13):
And it's not just the time management. It's actually like
a mental space thing, you know, because like I look
at it. I'm like with my wife, I'm always like
I'm doing fifty percent of the world because we split
everything as equally as possible. But that's not really true.
Like there's something about motherhood that goes unspoken sort of
and that just takes up so much. She does more
of the planning, for instance, do you know what I mean,
(21:34):
which is work. It's like we could say, like but
she's planning, she's thinking ahead. She's also the one who
like will think of Indie's emotional states and like his
food and stuff in a way that I just don't like.
Unless the kid says to me like ah, I'm hungry
or like I'm I like, it literally won't occur to
me unless I like write it down as a note
to myself where she's so and I think that that's
just as exhausting. I think that takes up a lot
(21:56):
of space. And when people don't see that and they
don't respect it. Oh so I could see Georgia get
it flashing out. It's like she says the wrong thing,
like this is I get a fair comment, but it's
coming from a place of like, I think something a
lot of women relate to a lot of mother.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I did too, But I I also think you do
get some of these people, and I'm not not sure
if she's one of them, but you do get some
of these people that like, have a baby and in
three months, their entire identity is being a mom. That's
all I am. Everything I am. You don't understand what
it's like to be a mom. It's like you've been
a mom for three months.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Oh lax. I know multiple people who became like mommy bloggers,
that's what I mean, just wanting to be and they were.
And I was like, people came to I think I'm
going to start a podcast about you to mom like
multiple people said yes, and I was like, well, you're
just in it. You've just found a new identity, which
is a new identity, and it takes up a lot
of time. But it's you know, it's like you've just
woken up and discovered cheese, so you're now a cheese expert.
(22:48):
That's what I'm saying. It's it's not that. And it's like,
all right, I'm a pickleball expert. Like okay, it happens
to a lot of parents. Man, It's it's it's it's
all consuming. It takes up I'm sure I couldn't even
first know those first couple of years. It's crazy, man,
Like when you realize, like the moment, the moment we
came home with Indy and it was just the two
(23:09):
of us bringing him home from the hospital, I mean,
it's it's like I was truly terrified. I was like, wait,
she will die. I'm sure this thing that I'm holding,
which doesn't even look like a human by the way,
they're like little slugs. That's what That's why I like
eraser Head. You ever see the movie Racing, Remember when
he's like the baby is like the weird little puppet.
That's actually what fatherhood is like or parent It's like,
(23:30):
I don't know what to do with this thing. Like
there's it's so alienating, and it's just like and then
it becomes once you get over that fear, you've conquered
the world, do you know what I mean? Right within
it within a few months when you figured out sleep
trading and how to change the diaper, Oh, you're like
a superhuman. It's so fun. It's it's an amazing process, terrifying.
But this is like it's not for me even slightly.
(24:04):
All Right, Well, Lindsay's on the phone with Frank and
he's offering the hanging out with her, take her away
from all this drama.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I surprise, Frank learned how to use a phone.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
And then my favorite shot of the show, Kyle pissing
in the wind.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Just just just whipping it out, taking.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Away like there are cameras here, Kyle. I don't know
if you know this d Apple orchard. They probably have
a at least a border body somewhere for you to years.
But there there's probably other families around, just like basically
singing sailor songs off in the corner. How'm excited? Did
(24:42):
you possibly have you still have the dinner to have?
It's amazing. He's amazing. He's amazing. He's amazing. You don't
know what it's like. You don't know what it's like.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
The first time you bring Kyle home from the hospital
and you you realize this thing is gonna die if you.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Don't give DJ job all right. Back at the house,
Whitney goes upstairs, people get cooking, Andrea sets up the
table because I guess he's been raised right, he knows
how to set a table. Uh. Whitney and Lindsay have
their confrontation. Whitney gets her to admit that she did
indeed play the mom card.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Okay, but then she's like, I'm allowed to play it
whenever I want.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
It's like, I guess, right, But then Lindsay brings up
the nanny comments like what is me having to nanny
to do it? Then Whitney really doesn't have a good answer,
so I think the answer is.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I mean, it's obviously easier to raise a child if
you have wealth, right, That's what it comes down to,
is there's a lot of people that are also have
a baby and are also single moms that still have
to work and are like, maybe I can bring my
baby to my mom's house for a while.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
They don't have nanny's as I think what she's saying,
But she's also I think the assumption is that Lindsay
has been complaining about motherhood and I don't think that
that's true. I don't think so it would be great
making that observation is pretty pretty like, you know, you
just can't because life is not a zero sum game.
Like parently, it is hard no matter what level you're
(26:13):
doing it. You know, life is difficult often no matter what.
Like gues, there's a certain amount of things that money
could take away, but ultimately, like she is still single,
you know, she's there's still issues, you know, and to
take that away from her because she has money or
she has a nanny, that's not fair. You know. If
if if Lindsay were always like really truly playing the
single mom card all the time, I could see it.
But she's not so And again has to confront that
(26:35):
and like, yeah, I get it. I love this moment
with Amanda, Danielle, and Owen doing a puzzle and Amanda
comments like, there's nothing brings people together more than other
people's drama. I love that.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
She's like, I bet you we can finish this entire
puzzle before they're done with their conversion.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
All right. So then Kenny and Whitney asked her, Gina
if she really thinks they hate women, and she says
it true, sounded like it. He backs off and says
she never meant it to mean them. Georgina starts to
accept that, and then Gavin jumps in and Gavin shut up,
I'm sick of you. Kenny jumps on Gavin too. Kyle's like, Govin,
(27:14):
get out of the situation. Yes, and Gavin says, I'm
not antagonizing. She's the one that's telling me to shut up.
You know whatever. Gavin is jumping in because that's his
his his mode. Yeah, back to some food cooking, Kyle
does some horrible song rap whatever, getting rid of his
(27:37):
DJing ready, which is coming up? Yes, why like why
are you djd are Thanks? Friends giving dinner? What's happening? Yeah,
he's that. I mean, he's he's entertaining, but that is
my worst nightmare. Like what he does in the Like
if I was at a friends giving and that guy
was like showing up with the headphones, I'd be like,
(27:57):
what what are we doing? So I'm not a dancer,
not my thing. I just want turkey, Kenny and Gavin
go outside to have a talk. This is, like I
mentioned earlier, really sweet scene. I thought, yeah, no, I agree,
and it's like it's a much needed conversation. It made
me appreciate these two guys. I appreciate Gavin. I realized
that Gavin's playing a role, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah,
season he's been playing a role. And I think so too.
And I think when he's called out on it in
(28:18):
this way and he says, like, you're one of the
most important people in my life and he apologizes. Yeah,
I think he's great. Yeah, but it is, it's it is.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It's like, dude, you're you're you gotta relax, you know,
stop jumping into stuff, stop stirring the pot. And I
love how he's like, you try not to keep score
or you try not to uh, you know, put a
pin in everything. But he was like, all right, look,
you called me out for not liking dogs, you called
me a boy, you called me that.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's like, how much other shit, dude?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Before I finally have to say something like this is bad,
you just keep inserting yourself places. And I was frankly
waiting for Gavin to push back more, and I'm glad
he was kind of.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Like, no, you're right, No, you're right. This is because
he's alway playing a role when he was doing those things,
do you know what I mean, he saw himself as like, Oh,
I'm on the show, this is kind of my job.
I'm sure a producer was like egging him on a
little bit, and I think when he was when I
when it came down, when his friend looked at him,
it was like, dude, you're my friend. He was like,
oh shit, you're right, Like that is way more important
than you know.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So I'm dying to know on any of these shows.
And I'm sure it changes from show to show, but
I'm dying to know how involved the producers are, Like
are they pulling people in, pulling.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
The very involved?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, but I think to the point of like pulling
people aside and being like, you know, this is what
she just said about you.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I mean, you think it's that yes man that interacted
that involved. I totally think that's the Yeah, I think probably,
And I think that these I think that the the
the line between the people on the show and the
producers is blurry enough that they probably all think of
each other as friends at times, do you know what
I mean? Like the producers make the show people feel
(29:54):
like they're their advocates when actually sometimes they're exploiting them,
and so the people the show are often playing into
the producers desires, you know, And and so it's a it's
a it's an interesting dynamic. I would love, you know.
I think that that actually has its own sort of show.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
It's like, yeah, a producer's reality show behind the scenes
of a reality show as the reality show.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
It's actually not a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It's a sketch, but no, I mean, no vie for real,
and we don't even know the reality show that they're doing.
But you literally could do a second show, take any
one of these shows and throw a camera just on
the producers and the crew.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
And it's a whole other reality show. I know. Yeeah. Well,
it's like Emily Longerretta's article on Survivor. Yeah, like, in
some ways it was more entertaining than the entire season.
I was like, Yes, I want to know more about this.
It's crazy stuff. Yeah, all right back inside, Kyle set
up his DJ booth, grabs himself a turkey leg, just
sticking with a drunken sailor. They're like, we haven't even
sat down in the corner here. Yeah, like, let me
(30:49):
go put off the fire.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
He's not even trying to hide it at this point.
And I love what he and we'll get into it
what he says at the very end, because when when
they're when we go back to the converse, when it
says two months later and we go back to the
conversation that the entire series started on, he basically addresses
it in a way that I thought was very interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
They sit down to eat, Can and Gavin talk about
how they made up again. Gavin does not really admit
that he was crying, which I thought was kind of
sweet and revealed like that. It was I think a
real genuine moment. You know that, if anything, he probably
wishes he didn't have on camera, which makes me like him.
Danielle brings up her beef. Are we moving forward or
(31:29):
is there azigil evant from the past the Owen marriage issue.
Lindsay apologizes for the chatter. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Everyone everyone's like admits that they're like, Danielle, we've never
seen you this happy.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
That's all Like Owen. Now we finally got to spend
some time with him. Everyone cheers. Gavin says, this is
what friends giving us all about. And this is where
I was like, you know, I kind of like these people.
It's all been a little manufactured, a little you know,
but I do like, like it's cool to I Also,
I think this episode was sweet to watch them make
food for each other, Like, you know, it's an important thing.
(32:02):
And everybody does their own thing, even Kyle, you know,
he sets up his DJ. But they're all contributing something.
And I think that that's what's been missing from their lives.
If you just go to bars and order drinks and
do you know what I mean, Like, it's no. Definitely,
when you watch people like cook together and spend time together,
it's like, you know, we did friends Giving last year.
It's like it's the best feeling it is. And when
you all sit down and you're like, right and so
(32:23):
I think it brought me in it just if it
was like, oh, these people are pretty cool, like they
all contributed something, they all it just made me like
the more I was like, yeah, they can't do it
when they want to. It's just that the show isn't
about that, you know, this show has not been focused
on that aspect of their lives.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
They definitely this towards at the end here seemed more
like a genuine group of friends than they had any
other time in this Yay.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yes, And I bet you if they were left to
their own devices without a camera crew, it would probably
be more of this, which.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Probably Yeah, but you also wonder because I guess, you know,
nobody knew Whitney, nobody knew Kenny. You know, they brought
these people onto the quote unquote show, So it's also
a manufactured friend group, you know, not all of them obviously,
the Amanda and Kyle and they all knew each other.
But I mean there were certain groups where they were like, oh,
we're gonna bring you.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
In a couple of new friends. Okay, here we go.
Well that's that's what we're watching happen. Right then, my
nightmare dancing while Kyle DJs hell yes, oh, this is
like yeah, being with a group of friends, like a
small group, like well, not a small I mean I
got how many other like a dozen of them, not
even not even ten eight and trying to make it
into a dance party.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yes, that's so funny, by the way, because the first
person to start dancing at a dance party like this
is going to be your wife, Alex. Oh, yeah, so
that you're married to somebody.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
She has it. She does interpreted dancing at weddings and
gets at my wedding. It's the thing. I remember your wedding. Yeah,
it's the same thing. It's the thing. She's Italian, man,
she grew up in New York. Going to New York
Italian wedding.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
She better do it at my birthday party too, man,
I'm psyched, can't wait.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
So in the morning, Amanda's the first up because she
was the first to bed, probably got stared, yeah, and
just put herself to sleep with their pirates booty. Everyone
else is hungover though they packed the bags. As they
walk out, Kyle and Amanda, we're not going home together,
Kyle says. It feels like it's over. Yes, it's over gotten,
it's done. Cut to Two months later, we get the
(34:20):
headlines Kyle's on a talk show, he doesn't believe the
rumors about West, and we get April, those are the
headlines that popped on your screen.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Mine were like, lettus can give you explosive diarrhea and
all that kind of I was probably watching the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Damn. Yeah, all THEO. This is how the show started.
They went, They took us back to the to the beginning.
So now it's Amanda and Kyle talking. Kyle says, you
know you you just point blank lined to me about West.
She says, I didn't leave you for West. Yeah, she's
She's still saying there was no affair.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
And my guess is she means physically because I think
she was texting.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Oh yes, I'm guessing that there was some. I mean,
we've said a question between people usually have one foot
out the door because they already have an opportunity. If
someone there's that potential, whether it actually manifest or whatnot,
there's always like, people don't just break up usually.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I will bet you, I will put I would put
a good amount of money on the fact that when
she walked away from that table with that panic attack
and went into the other room, she texted we well
texted her called I will bet you they had a
talk that very night.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Well then Amana Kyle reminisced about posting their breakup message
to the world, which is just such a crazy ritual.
I mean, I've never I've never broken up. You know,
I've been with my wife since before social media. Yeah,
I mean, so I never did like dating apps. I
completely miss that and I've never had to deal with
like the breakup thing. It's such a weird ritual that
they have to like agree, like what are we saying
(35:53):
to the world and how do we put it up there?
But again, you don't you don't. I mean I think
you even if you're not in a reality show. No,
but I think people do this on Facebook. Now. This
is just you have to, like if you want to
write status yeah, because otherwise it gets you. It's like
you put people in a uncomfortable position. Otherwise maybe you
(36:13):
know because they don't, they don't know that you're broken up.
One person changes their status right now when you're like, hey,
we want to maintain our you know, we want to.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Maintain our privacy by being as public about it as
we possibly can.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
It's just the way the world is though.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
But then you get you, you get end up with
these these ridiculous phrases in the lexicon, like conscious uncoupling,
where it's like what he broke up?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Dude? Come on, so yeah, it's right mocked right now? Yeah,
and should have should have been by the way, rightfully
mocked is a great band name. But yeah, no, I
I get I get it.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's it's a shame that things that are this ridiculous
are now the norm, like that hat, you're right.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
That hack and it doesn't even have to it's you
don't even have to be in a reality show. I
think it's just kind of everybody's life now. We're all
we're all influencers now, baby, Yeah it's true. Then Amana
says this really weird thing about how her drama has
helped lover her boy. Yeah, it's is so weird. And
then she's like and then he says it's not or
she says, she says, because everyone hates him for me. Yeah. Oh,
(37:13):
she's talking about feeling that when she walks down the street,
which I'm kind of like, you know, you chose to
be on a reality show.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
And then you chose to whether whether people believe it
or not, you chose to break up after ten years
and instantly go out with his bet, one of his
best friends.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
So come on.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
But this is where I liked Kyle because Kyle was
like when he listed, He's like, look, maybe I didn't
handle it well. Maybe I just had a good old
fashioned spiral. And I'm thinking that's what we saw a
lot of the on this show. I guess is he
was drinking a ton and he was just spiraling. I
think I think he just kind of owned that, like yeah,
but we'll see if that's It sounds like he's been
in a spiral for I was.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Gonna watched where is the rock bottom of this spiral grow? Yeah? No,
this guy needs it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I mean it sounds like for his own well being,
this guy needs to quick.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Luckily, he's going on a fifteen city tour DJing party
and sure that'll help him. I know. And now this
is the thing, man, this is like being a comedian.
You know, it's just so bad for alcohol, alcohol and
drugs because you just you get so high off of
the socializing and that is your job is to be
the life, like literally the life of the party. And
it's so much easier to do that when you're drunk
(38:25):
or whatever. Yeah, there's a great It was Mickey.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
You know, Mickey Mantle is a very famous baseball player
from the fifties and the sixties. And you consider you
make the touchdowns, you make the touchdown with the hockey net.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I know the name Mickey Mantle. I've heard that.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
So Mickey Mantles was was a legendary alcoholic and oh yeah, legendary.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Well, he played baseball forever. Yeah, like that. This is
why baseball is all the fact that you could like
smoke cigarettes, Like one of the greatest players by cigarettes
earth is so overweight.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
You're like what yeah, And but so his wife after
he passed away, famously said, you know, people would come
up to in a bar and say, can I buy
you a drink?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I want to have a drink with you.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
So you had one drink with Mickey Mantle, but he
had twenty drinks that.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Night with people coming up and asking for a drink.
And so that that's the way it was.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Where Chris Harley's manager one time said that she saw
him drinking, you know, picture after Pitcher, and she literally
went up to him and said, Chris, no one's going
to take it away from you, right, like you don't,
you can slow down.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I forget who worked with it. I think it was
Blake Clark, Clark who played chet on right, and I
think he was telling us about working with with Chris
Barley when he had like an AA sponsor with him, Yeah,
and people would still offer him drinks and he would
say like, no, this is my guy, my AA sponsor,
(39:45):
and then five minutes later he would come up to
the person be like, if you put it in a
different cup, yeah, I will have a drink. And it
was like, oh, so he was like sneaking drinks. And
that's a sad thing is that they would be wanting
to you know, you want the store. Yeah, they want
to be.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
And then Chris come up to me and I like,
had to put the drink in a different thing, but
have it yeah, And that's I mean, it's awful. Meanwhile,
the guy's dying inside, so it's yeah, I think Kyle
is probably a pretty sick guy.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah, all right, we cut to June update Kenny, things
are great with him and Whitney might have accidentally got
married in Peru. Yeah, this is a weird thing. They
did some kind of ceremony and where the guys, sorry,
(40:34):
the hotel set this up for us? What's happened exactly?
I thought that was funny, but yeah, yeah, and then
Georgina says she's officially ready to date, being set up
with the guy. She's not trying to figure things out
with her ex, which I guess she had been doing.
We didn't see, We didn't know that. But yeah, and
(40:54):
you know, she talks about how she was trying to
make things work for her ex for the sake of
her kids. But then she had a friend who had
divorced parents point out, hey, I just had more people
who loved me, which I thought was a really cool thing,
and that, yeah, and that Georgiana is like that kind
of turned her head around. She's like, Okay, I think
it's you know, and this is totally true. I like,
I remember, I actually took a class in college. There
(41:15):
was a requirement in my my freshman year of college
that was a part historical part psychology. Class was taught
team taught by a psychologist and a historian on the
American family, and so we had to read all these
studies about the American family and the history of America
is super interesting but one of the things a whole
bunch of studies have shown that like, kids are better
(41:36):
off if you're split up, if you're unhappy, you know
what I mean, trying to stay together. Yeah, for the
sake of children is way worse for the kids.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Two healthy parents that are that that spery co parenting
well seems to be better than in staying in a
toxic relationship.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Exactly. Yeah, yeah, sure. And we get Lindsay, who is
now talking to how she won't be on the outside
of a mom because three of their friends are gonna
be moms. Maddy told us that everybody was pregnant on
Nick doing the gender reveal with the cake. I hate stuff.
I hate it so much, hate cake I do. I
(42:15):
hate this is my nightmare. Cake gender reveal. Jesus, just
have a baby.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
You're supposed to have your cake, your gender reveal, and
then you dance with your friends in a small group.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
You know that rider have your cake and gender revealed too,
Can dance it too? My nightmare? Kyle gender reveal Kyle
DJ and a gender reveal cake eating party. Sweet all
right on a reality show and Andrea, they're having a
baby and he's happy to be a daddy. Girl. You
keep going with your reverse cowboy and it's yeah, it's girl.
(42:48):
He's funny though. Its funny. I mean, that's the thing.
That's the thing. I like them. By the end of this,
I was like, you know, all of these people, I
feel like I know him. They're funny. Oh and Danielle
are having a baby. We see this very touching scene
of her mom finding the sonograph. Yeah, nobody, nobody pulls
out in the city. That's all. We got what we
found out here, staying in in the city, in the city,
(43:11):
so that that's a wrap. And I felt, yeah, it
was like a slight season. Man, it just kind of
you know, you get all these riled up emotions. I'm
not sure what all of it was worth. What I agree,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
I'm not not entirely sure of the of the ride
of this one.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
I mean I kind of ultimately like kind of like
these people. I don't feel as judgy as I did
at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Even if we say so, if we are not covering
season the next season of this, are you still going
to watch it?
Speaker 1 (43:36):
I don't have time for TV shows and books that
want you know, like I genuinely don't watch television like
I've just cut it out of my which sucks, but
like unless somebody tells me that a show like has
gone start to finish and is worth it, like like
Widows Bay, Yes, but like well but that's still ongoing.
I'm watching that. That is the one thing I've been
watching on going. I'm saying, like if somebody like I
(43:58):
waited for Breaking Bad, you know, I waited, he too,
was like the way so like Severance, I'm avoiding because
I watched a couple watch. I loved it, but I
was like, this could be lost, it could go nowhere,
Like I want to wait until somebody tells me no, no, no,
they landed the plane. It's work. I'm going to check
(44:27):
in on these characters, I imagine like someday, like you know,
and and I think the way I will check in
is with a friend of ours going way back to
when we were very young, mister Lee Norris. It turns
out he who played Mincus. He's a huge Bravo guy,
(44:49):
huge fan of In the City and all the housewives,
and he has a special message for us that he
sent from the field. This is our correspondent, Lee Norris.
Mincas himself giving us an update in Bravo Expert Mincus.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Okay, Righter and Will, I am in New York and
I think you guys now know that my wife and
I are big Bravo fans. So we have ventured into
the unknown. We walked through the five guys upstairs, and
we are officially in what is this called the Garrett.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Gavin in the West Village.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
And I will tell you I was fully prepared for
this to be a ghost town, Like I was expecting
this to just be like, you know, a place that
wasn't really that cool, but it is. It's it's crowded
in here. And when I say crowded, I mean it
is full of gen zers. And we are officially the
(45:50):
olds in the corner. Okay, A couple of quick things
I want to tell you. Number one, I have not
seen lover Boy anywhere in the entity. No one is
drinking lover Boy. I did a quick pick of the
menu and I didn't see it and I don't see
it on the bar, so wow, very mediocre cocktail list.
(46:13):
I ended up ordering a paper plane. Hold the paper
plane for Mincas. It's actually really good, I will say.
I'll give them props you know. Another thing I'll say
is that I keep getting the smell of French rise
from the five guys, keeps wafting around in the air.
(46:34):
And I was prepared to be snarky about it, but
I'm actually just really hungry.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
And it's kind of genius.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
I mean, people are drinking and you just stumble down
stairs and you get some fried food, and I mean,
I think it's great. Definitely catching some man hating vibes
in here. And I did try to order a murky spark,
but the bartender did not know what I was talking about.
(47:02):
So I just wanted to let you know I am
braving the wilds of gen Z reporting from the ground.
You guys are doing a phenomenal job. Keep holding this,
keep holding.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
It down for us.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Bravo, Pros and uh send me and my best Okay,
I'm out by God.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
I love him, I love himself. Pros hold the paper
plane for me because is my new favorite line. I
can't believe him. Yeah, so great. I want to go
to the Garrett so many it too sounds delightful.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
I want to have too much to drink and then
stumble down to five guys and get a burger.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Oh, my god, it sounds so good. I wish we
could have been there with him. Yeah, man, I mean see,
it's it's community building in the city. It brought us
all together, put lee back in our lives. Oh, I
love community building is yeah, I feel all right.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Well, speaking of bars, I got a last one for
you here, my to all right, this is a nice one.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
This is how we're gonna wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
We're gonna wrap it up with eight ounces of warm
Cama mile tea mm hmm, into which you pour one
point five ounces of Cardinal Spirits, which is Flora spirits,
and then a lemon wheel for garnish.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
That's it, and you sip it before you go to bed.
And it's called the Grand Finale.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Oh, I thought you'd like that.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
It sounds.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
But most of these drinks, dude, any to me, it's
just put liquor in a glass and hand.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
There were a couple that I was kind of into,
but yeah, that one's a little too sweet. I think
that's Yeah, I think it's most of the case. I
guess usually it is too much. It's like, you know,
a hat and a hat. Yeah, I agree, A syrup
on a drink on a sea way to way too.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
You sip the punch at my party, which is called
someone Spike the Punch, and it's a brand new recipe
that we made just for the party.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Amazing and it's gonna be great. So you're gonna well
in the city it comes to a close. I I
gotta say it won me over. OK, I'm not. I
don't think I'm gonna stick it out. I don't think
I'm full Bravo bro. But if if Lee tells me
like that, the next season has worthy moments. I mean,
you know, you know Maddie, Maddy, our producer, Maddy's gonna
(49:14):
keep watching. So I check in. I'm gonna be like,
what's going on with Kyle, How's how's Kenny doings?
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Kenny, you don't have you don't have Google notification set
for I mean for West.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
You're not You're you're telling me you're not gonna ask
about Lindsay and Frank down the line. Frank's my new
favorite thing. Ever. You just want a reality show following
Frank delivering Frank for women?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yes, Oh my god, it's just called Let's Get Frank.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
It's gonna be great. All right, Well, we're gonna move
into our new show Married at First Sight, which you
know basically this we're watching a show because of our
arranged marriage conversation, Yeah, I had, because of all the
horrible marriages discussed on this show. We're gonna learn, We're
gonna learn a lot about marriage moving on, and I
(50:04):
think it's gonna be higher stakes. Yeah, well, and it's
gonna be interesting. I think we'll probably end up having
a more probably more constructive, deep, deeper conversation. I've seen this,
I've seen I've seen several seasons. Okay, I've never refer
so I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
And it's great. It's a it's a fun fund show.
And I think we are coming back for one more
in the city because I think they're doing a reunion,
so we'll have to obviously do that. But other than that,
we're we're out. We're out of the city.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
You've been listening to the pod meets World. The parties
may end, the friendships may fracture, and the artisanal cocktails
may lose their garnish, but our deeply overqualified analysis of
televised social catastrophe will endure until next time. Trap your
smoking
Speaker 2 (50:55):
H
Welcome to pod meets Tworld, a podcast that began with
Dancing with the Stars, continued through castles, traders, and strategic deception.
And because our producers, along with many of our listeners,
apparently enjoy watching two confused, middle aged men struggle through
wildly successful reality television, we have now arrived at a
place neither of us understands Bravo, specifically In the City. Now.
(00:32):
Usually these shows involve a game, a competition, a cash prize,
a goal, but apparently this is different. There are no challenges,
no murder, mysteries, no judges, no dance scores, just wealthy
adults attending parties, drinking, dating, and keeping tabs on one another.
We are right or Strong, a man who prefers stories
with structured themes and an ending, and Wilfredell, who was
told there would be some humor among the cocktails and betrayals,
(00:55):
join us as we enter a world of social warfare,
passive aggression, luxury apartment and confessionals delivered with a gravity
of international diplomacy. This is Podmets Twirled, Metropolitan mess hi
Will Hi Rider. We made it, did we? We made
it through a season of in the City. Well, there's
(01:16):
still the reunion. Yeah, I have to say I expected
a little more drama. I think where this landed makes
me feel like, you know what it is. It's like
I went through the drive through at McDonald's and midway
eating it, I was like, Oh, this is gonna fill
(01:37):
me up, This is gonna fill me up so good,
and then you're done eating and you're like, I could
get another burger.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I thought you were gonna say horrible diarrhea, which is
I think.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
More more where I was. What I'm saying is this
show feels like a tease. It feels like like you're
gonna get seated, We're gonna fill you up, and instead
it just makes you hungrier and like I want it.
I actually like feel I wanted people to like really
go for the drama and like take me there right. Instead,
it's like, now I got to watch another season. Well,
I'm curious shows.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I'm curious, and maybe I'm Maddie, and maybe Maddie would
be able to know this answer, but I'm curious. It
almost seems like this show was created as a spin
off of Summer House, solely based on the drama of
them splitting up and then him being with her being
with West, but then why would West not be on
(02:28):
the show? Yeah, and also plan that, But at the
same time, it's like, yeah, yeah, I agree with you
one hundred percent. I still I don't get the point
of this show. And I don't know if it's this
show particularly, or it's all these shows of just people
sitting down at meals and getting into fights, like and
(02:48):
I think that's the and I think it might just
be this entire version of reality TV that I just
don't understand.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Here's the thing. Weirdly, I've come to like these people really, yes,
And you know, because when we started the show, I
was like I was a little skeptical that I could
like people. You know, I think I was judgmental. I
think I was judge of the fact that these people,
I would say, because of their wealth and their privilege.
I would be like, why do these aren't real life problems?
(03:17):
You know? And but by the end of this I'm
kind of like, yeah, you know, I've spent time, Like basically,
I feel like this is show is like a trailer
for like a big chill style movie that I would
want to watch. Wow, does that make sense? Like it
does it? It's like, there I don't agree actual much drama.
It's most of the drama is like a preview of
(03:37):
like we could be we could have a huge blowout
fight and never be friends again, but we'll see you
next season when we're just gonna work it all, you know,
because they do kind of just work stuff out like
it's miscommunication. It spreads, it spreads, it teases you. It's like, oh, oh,
they're gonna have it out, and then they kind of like,
you know, because they they have to admit like, yeah,
I did say that, and I'm sorry I said hurt
your feelings and we're gonna be friends, and so no,
(04:00):
it's I guess it's a weird like I kind of
crave like a Slice of life movie version of these people,
and I be into that as as it is, though
the show is just kind of like invites you in.
You get a little taste and then it's just you know,
But now I do feel like I need to keep watching.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I just didn't get the appeal of the show to
me that the sitting it still makes me very anxious.
It makes me feel like, you know, I like to
avoid conflict. That's one of the reasons I've talked about
this before. Where I think I've I've honed my my
comedy is because I know I can avoid a lot
of conflict by making people laugh and doing stuff like that.
So a show that's totally based around uncomfortable moments and
(04:37):
dinners and people yelling at each other is absolutely just
not for me.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Again, some of the people are are They're all fine,
They're fine, you know, they're fine.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It's a reality show, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
It's I'm not looking for my morality to be you know,
they're they're not dictating my moral compass.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I know exactly why I'm tuning in, so.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
But yeah, but for me, it's there's I mean, we've
talked about however, it's already been announced that we're doing
married It first site next and I've seen that show before,
and so there were other shows that, when I've turned
them on, reality shows were way more of a breath
of fresh air than something like this was.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
To be well, Married at first Sight is more of
like a social experiment, right, There's yeah, there's there are
real stakes. This show is like determined against stakes, and
I think that you know, that's it's it's a weirdly
soothing thing. I can totally see how people. You know,
I feel like I know these people kind of well
enough to like hang out with them or like make
slight judgments about like I didn't like the way she
(05:34):
said that. She could phrase that better, or he really
butted in there when it wasn't, you know, like those
kinds of like social observations. I don't know, like I
could see why people get hooked on this crowd. I
can't too, because people also just crave drama. The drama.
It's it's it's like it's it's melodrama maybe is the
right term. It's like right, because you know it's not.
If it was real drama, it would be married at
(05:54):
first sight, it would be survivory even you know, it
would be a much more like this is somebody's gonna
make or break there, you know. In this case, I
guess there is the real drama. I would say the
only true drama of this entire season is Kyle and
Amanda break. You know, yeah, like that is the only
true life transition that's sad, you know, and because you know,
(06:15):
the other big drama, which I put in quotes, is
the babies being born. You know, but like otherwise or
maybe him finding his dad.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean, that was but it seemed to almost seemed
a little manufactured for the show though. Sure, that's the
thing where it's just kind of like, okay, you're now
we're because yeah, there's I mean, are there any of
these Here's what I would ask. Are there any of
these people that you could see yourself being good long
term friends with.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I mean, by the end of this, I was like,
I genuinely like, I was like, you know, none of
these people are that bad, like no problem, and I
don't feel like I really know them, so yeah, I
could be, like I think I could be in this
friend group. Like by the end, I was like, really,
I'd probably be like the owen of the friend group,
Like I'd be the one just kind of like in
(07:01):
the back of my mind half the time being like
I can't believe these people are drinking and talking about
this again, you know, but I would still be fine
being there because they don't think it's actually that dramatic,
Like I don't think they're that fight quite a bit.
I mean, I can't fight quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's like that's the thing is I just look at
them and I see again, I don't see bad human beings.
I just see a group of people that I wouldn't
want to hang out with, right and again, having nothing
to do with their moral character or any of that
kind of stuff. It's just these are people that love money,
love love designer things.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
They're all grave looking people, which is so interesting. I mean,
I guess my my bigger, like sort of overall question
is like why this, Like why do we settle as
a culture into like because I know that they've made
reality shows following all different types of sure, right, but
why do we consistently come back to wealthy uh, you know,
(07:53):
low stake situations where people are mostly gossiping and backstabbing.
Like that does seem to be the bravo vers, you know,
you know, whether it's the Housewives or like, we don't
watch shows where like I don't know, I'm trying to
think of an alternative example of like you know, a
group of a friend, group of like people that are
struggling with their jobs or you know, like we don't
(08:14):
get like the Roseanne version. But you know, if if
there's were a sitcom, it seems like we see you
do if we do the hospitals, do you know the
way you do actually and it's interesting, I would go
when you're going for blue collar, I think they mask
the drama of blue collar with making it about whatever
job the people are doing.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So like Deadliest Catch, where which is still to me
the greatest reality show that's ever been made, where they're
crab fishing, but it's still about the drama of the
captain firing the green horn and it's all that stuff,
but it's it's wrapped up in a blue collar bow. Hey,
I'm working, we're building motorcycles, we are crab fishing, we're
hunting for gold. Where you're still watching for the people,
(08:56):
but you get to tell yourself you're watching because it's
a world you know nothing about. And going back to
what you're saying, I think Bravo and why people like
to watch it is because it's an interesting balance of
jealousy of wanting to be those.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
People and security better than you. I don't know, man,
I think that I think it might be even simpler
for me than that. Like, I feel like there's just
kind of a weird sense of community that came over
me by the end, you know, when they were like
updating everybody at the end, I was like, oh yeah,
I guess I kind of kind of do want to
spend some time with these wows weird. I was like,
(09:35):
I just you feel like you're in the friend group.
You know, it's like we're adjacent to these people and
you just because by you know, you show up every day,
you look at them all the time. They're beautiful. They
have like fancy cars and fancy clothing, and it's like, yeah, sure,
I guess I could see it, Like it's just kind
of like why not, you know, what else am I
doing my TV watching? I guess it's people love Podmets World.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I mean a lot of people say that they're like,
we feel like we just get to hang out with
your you know during In fact.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
The fact that we're talking about something low stakes is
part of the appeal, right, Yeah, like it because we're
not we're not an NPR show covering, you know, the
war in Ukraine, or we're not talking about actually important stuff.
We're talking about our TV show that we did when
we were kids. And I think that's part of the comfort.
Is like, look, because people's lives are hard. Everybody's like,
you know, so when you want your entertainment to just
(10:22):
be an escape, Like I think there's worse things. You know.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Oh I don't disagree, but for me, what the constant
fighting and bickering just makes me uncomfortable. So I find
nothing relaxing about watching the show, right, Like I I
watched through my fingers a lot of times, like oh god,
I just I don't want to be in this room
with these people.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I hated high school and this is very high spread
to me. Okay, you know, I'm realizing the moment. For me,
it's it's it's it's. The Gavin Kenny scene in this
episode really got me very say, because I feel like
he has been we pointed out he's been like the
producer's avatar. He's been the shit stirr, he's been the one,
and you could see him having to confront that. Yeah,
and it felt very real and it felt like he
(11:00):
prioritized and was like no, And I love that he
wouldn't admit that he cried later because it's you know,
because it showed a drive towards privacy that felt very
human and felt like he wasn't just crying for that.
He was actually embarrassed probably that he had had that moment.
And I was like, you know, these people are actually
probably pretty good friends, and they're probably will be there
for each other when it really matters, and that this
(11:22):
is just a TV show that they're you know, they're
all taking a living off of, and they're all able
to like. And I can see it, Like if you're
a beautiful, rich person and somebody comes up to you
and says, could you just can we just follow you
guys around? I could see, you know, for for better
or worse. I could see why people would agree to
do that.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Well, yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I also again, I see in this day and age,
there really is no such thing as bad publicity, and
the idea that if you get on one of these shows.
I mean, it was funny. Sue and I were having
a talk the other day where I'll bet you the
vast majority of people on reality shows, whatever reality show,
have auditioned for.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
A bunch of them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It's never like, oh, I've only wanted to be on
this one show, so I just auditioned. No, these people
are sent out for married on first Sight, they sent
out for love, love is Blind, They want to be
on survivor, they just want to be on reality TV.
Because the second you get on these things, you get
hundreds of thousands of followers. It means money, right, So
that's why, as they say they're lower third on this,
(12:21):
half of them say influencer, because that's what it is now.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
This is how you influence people. And I think most
people want to do this.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It's again the American dream is getting as much money
as possible for doing as little work as possible, and
hopefully fame comes with that.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
That's the American dream. But I also, I also, I
mean my joke Instagram handle is that we're all influencers now,
as Socrates once said, and it's but I think it's true. Like,
you know, I wrote it as a joke at one
point whenever I was setting up my account or re
revising my account. But I've come to realize, like everybody
I know, like every artist, whether you're an actor, whether
(12:55):
you're a musician, whether you're a business person, it's like
you have to kind of be an influencer. Yeah, you
have to reach your audience or your consumers or whatever.
And part of that means, you know, reaching out through
social media and putting yourself front center in a way
that I'm very uncomfortable with. Like I'm you know, I
like it word based sometimes. You know, I used to
be into Twitter. I'm not anymore, but like it's hard
for me, you know, it's it's it's but I don't
(13:17):
have it at all. I mean our podcast though, is
that you know? Like our podcast is us being influencer? Sure?
And like so I get it, like and and you know, yeah,
it's it's. It's. It's sort of a weird state of
affairs that, like, because publishing is available to all of us,
we have no longer gatekeepers. We don't have editors, we
don't have record companies, we don't have studios gatekeeping whether
(13:39):
our content, whether that's what we write, what we say,
what we whatever. Since we don't have those gatekeepers, we're
all equal. And so how do you stand out? You know,
and how do you rise above and actually get to
make art or get to express yourself in some way?
You hope it's talent, but what does talent even mean?
You know, like because because you could be the best
singer in the world, but people listen unless you know
(14:01):
they're already following you or you know, whatever, you have
to get the word out there or what do they say?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Ninety nine percent of the artists on Spotify it's only
the top one percent that actually get downloaded.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's like literally don't and make any money.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, I still I pitched the show that I want
to pitch again to somebody, which is literally just called
the ninety nine and it's every week you have on
one of the ninety nine percent that never gets anything
in Spotify and you do a live music show.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
All right, Episode nine in the City, out of the
city in Connecticut at a farmhouse. The two episodes, like
the Big Ultimate Drama completely takes place out of the city,
so on a shovel in the city. Yes, so they
are still doing their thanks. They're friends giving. We see
the night before when they're talking about their paintball bruises
(14:47):
and eating somemores. Next day, we have a shopping mission
going with Kyle, Danielle, Kenny Whitney, and Owen. Lindsay is
talking to her baby over the over her phone facetiming
with her baby. There's this funny moment in the store
where Kyle gets Amanda some Pirates booty and says, that's
how I win her back. She survives on Pirates, Yeah,
(15:10):
because she stoned. We all love Pirate booty, trust me.
But like it. We get a flashback to the night before, which,
after apparently the drama of their big blowout, he did
say I love you to her. Danielle tells Whitney that
the whole single mom card comment, you know, they start
(15:30):
talking about that and and Danielle explains that they're gonna
hold onto this phrase if you're not careful, And then
Danielle realizes that Whitney is actually not backing down from
the comment. She's kind of doubling doubling down right exactly.
I was not sure where I fall in this conversation.
I don't either, I know, because you said something last
week about how you would play she did play the
(15:52):
mom card. We'll get into it, because I do think
she did, and I think you know, and I think
that that criticism is pretty valid. But then there's a
extra layer that Whitney keeps adding to it, which is
she has a nearness she can't and it's like, but
she's not really complaining that much about being a mom.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
She also is this is a mom and is is
a single mom.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yees, she has help, but a lot of people do.
She's a single mom.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But I love that and we'll get into it later.
But I love how they always there.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It's like, you can't play the single mom card. It's
because you hate all women.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
And it's like, wait, whoa, whoa, it's a little hell
did that come from?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, so it was that they jumped it up. They
ratcheted it up quite a bit. All right. Well, Amanda
and the crew are going apple picking, and Amanda goes
through describing her panic attack and her feelings there, which
I mean, it definitely sounds like a textbook panic. Oh yeah, yeah,
she had a foot. But the way she phrases is
she says she's she heard her voice or something in
her saying bitch, get out, which I kind of took
(16:51):
to me, and that she was talking about the relationship
like she needs to Yeah I did too this okay, yeah,
ok too.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Like it was it was just something snapped and it
was like she was like, it's definitely over soon.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
They're interesting that we kind of saw it on camera
and that they chose to make it at that filmmic
moment we talked about. Yeah, seems pretty accurate for her experience.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's also I mean, it seems kind of one of
the things she's talking about is the culmination of he
was clearly drunk again and kind of yelling about I'm
not doing this, I'm not doing and.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
She probably just saw the rest of her life and
was like, can't it's going to send This is never
gonna stund. It's never gonna stu either. I mean, it's
they're so they are some people are just wrong for
each other.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And it's also it's one of those things where people
always say, and I get it, we're in love, Okay.
Love is the easiest part of any relationship. You basically
don't don't. You're not making yourself fall in love. Either
fall in love or you don't. Love is love, that's
it's it's just a feeling in your brain.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
It is literally eating so again.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But the rest of the relationship is is trust and
respect and intimacy, and now love is easy Stott. You
know how many people are in prison for killing people
they loved. That's it's not I'm sick of hearing. But
we're in love. Your relationship is not working. And I
think she we did.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
We saw it. It was captured on film where she
was like, I'm done. Yeah, I think I think ten
years is a good long drive. Yeah, he gave it
a shot. Yeah, all right with the other crew. Lindsay
is clearly upset about the single mom card being played.
We got back to Whitney and her car, saying, well,
she is a nanny, so they just keep going. Showdown
is coming, showdown is coming. We get to the apple
(18:33):
picking cider spot. Thank god, there's alcoholire. I know we're
so Connecticut.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
This just brought me right home their spots.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It looks so cold. Yeah, doing this in northern California. No,
you got to wrap your something beautiful. And then once
they arrive, they get out of the car and Lindsay
immediately just starts talking like about being a mom. She's
like baiting. I couldn't believe it. All right, the drinking begins.
(19:02):
Luckily they have cider so we can drink noon. Yes,
they do some apple picking and they sit around a fire,
freezing cold. Lindsey goes to the car. We'll find out
why later. Call him frank guy, get that milk, the
milkman on the milkman on the line, my friend. So
then Georgina brings up the single mom card comment to Whitney,
(19:24):
and Whitney's defense is about her relationship with Yvonne. She says,
I have different standards of behavior with friends, which is
this is where I was kind of like, okay, like
that is a valid critics. You did do the mom
card like and you know, and this is this is
the valid critics, Like saying you were playing is like
(19:45):
not worth like you were just a shitty friend is
really what It's like you use the mom thing and
that was your excuse, but really you just took this
opportunity to kind of not support your friend who you know,
Yvonne again whatever. So that's the criticism I do think
is valid. So they go at it Whenne's trying to
make it about how Lindsay treats her friends, which I
think is valid. Yeah, but Georgina is insulted on behalf
(20:07):
of the mother comment, which I also think is valid.
I don't disagree, but she takes it to this level
of you two just don't like women as a couple,
which is an intensely I know, I know, but I
do think, you know, it was interesting to see Georgiana
to get this emotional because she's actually been pretty cool
like this entire season, and you know, I think it's
one of those things like when you are when you're
(20:29):
friends with with people that don't have kids, especially if
you're a single mom, like you probably feel. I just
I just think she's defensive, like overly sensitive, do you
know what I mean? And she's emotional and sensitive in
a way that it probably isn't warranted, but you know,
I get it because like there have been there have
(20:51):
been times I like watched my wife, you know, like
she's lost it on me during a Mother's Day one time,
you know, because really, oh yeah, you know, and like
for me, like I really like, I think I'm giving
her credit all the time, but I think that there's
something to be you know, mom specifically that is very
exhausting and taken for granted by by most people, you know.
(21:13):
And it's not just the time management. It's actually like
a mental space thing, you know, because like I look
at it. I'm like with my wife, I'm always like
I'm doing fifty percent of the world because we split
everything as equally as possible. But that's not really true.
Like there's something about motherhood that goes unspoken sort of
and that just takes up so much. She does more
of the planning, for instance, do you know what I mean,
(21:34):
which is work. It's like we could say, like but
she's planning, she's thinking ahead. She's also the one who
like will think of Indie's emotional states and like his
food and stuff in a way that I just don't like.
Unless the kid says to me like ah, I'm hungry
or like I'm I like, it literally won't occur to
me unless I like write it down as a note
to myself where she's so and I think that that's
just as exhausting. I think that takes up a lot
(21:56):
of space. And when people don't see that and they
don't respect it. Oh so I could see Georgia get
it flashing out. It's like she says the wrong thing,
like this is I get a fair comment, but it's
coming from a place of like, I think something a
lot of women relate to a lot of mother.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I did too, But I I also think you do
get some of these people, and I'm not not sure
if she's one of them, but you do get some
of these people that like, have a baby and in
three months, their entire identity is being a mom. That's
all I am. Everything I am. You don't understand what
it's like to be a mom. It's like you've been
a mom for three months.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Oh lax. I know multiple people who became like mommy bloggers,
that's what I mean, just wanting to be and they were.
And I was like, people came to I think I'm
going to start a podcast about you to mom like
multiple people said yes, and I was like, well, you're
just in it. You've just found a new identity, which
is a new identity, and it takes up a lot
of time. But it's you know, it's like you've just
woken up and discovered cheese, so you're now a cheese expert.
(22:48):
That's what I'm saying. It's it's not that. And it's like,
all right, I'm a pickleball expert. Like okay, it happens
to a lot of parents. Man, It's it's it's it's
all consuming. It takes up I'm sure I couldn't even
first know those first couple of years. It's crazy, man,
Like when you realize, like the moment, the moment we
came home with Indy and it was just the two
(23:09):
of us bringing him home from the hospital, I mean,
it's it's like I was truly terrified. I was like, wait,
she will die. I'm sure this thing that I'm holding,
which doesn't even look like a human by the way,
they're like little slugs. That's what That's why I like
eraser Head. You ever see the movie Racing, Remember when
he's like the baby is like the weird little puppet.
That's actually what fatherhood is like or parent It's like,
(23:30):
I don't know what to do with this thing. Like
there's it's so alienating, and it's just like and then
it becomes once you get over that fear, you've conquered
the world, do you know what I mean? Right within
it within a few months when you figured out sleep
trading and how to change the diaper, Oh, you're like
a superhuman. It's so fun. It's it's an amazing process, terrifying.
But this is like it's not for me even slightly.
(24:04):
All Right, Well, Lindsay's on the phone with Frank and
he's offering the hanging out with her, take her away
from all this drama.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I surprise, Frank learned how to use a phone.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
And then my favorite shot of the show, Kyle pissing
in the wind.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Just just just whipping it out, taking.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Away like there are cameras here, Kyle. I don't know
if you know this d Apple orchard. They probably have
a at least a border body somewhere for you to years.
But there there's probably other families around, just like basically
singing sailor songs off in the corner. How'm excited? Did
(24:42):
you possibly have you still have the dinner to have?
It's amazing. He's amazing. He's amazing. He's amazing. You don't
know what it's like. You don't know what it's like.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
The first time you bring Kyle home from the hospital
and you you realize this thing is gonna die if you.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Don't give DJ job all right. Back at the house,
Whitney goes upstairs, people get cooking, Andrea sets up the
table because I guess he's been raised right, he knows
how to set a table. Uh. Whitney and Lindsay have
their confrontation. Whitney gets her to admit that she did
indeed play the mom card.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Okay, but then she's like, I'm allowed to play it
whenever I want.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
It's like, I guess, right, But then Lindsay brings up
the nanny comments like what is me having to nanny
to do it? Then Whitney really doesn't have a good answer,
so I think the answer is.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I mean, it's obviously easier to raise a child if
you have wealth, right, That's what it comes down to,
is there's a lot of people that are also have
a baby and are also single moms that still have
to work and are like, maybe I can bring my
baby to my mom's house for a while.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
They don't have nanny's as I think what she's saying,
But she's also I think the assumption is that Lindsay
has been complaining about motherhood and I don't think that
that's true. I don't think so it would be great
making that observation is pretty pretty like, you know, you
just can't because life is not a zero sum game.
Like parently, it is hard no matter what level you're
(26:13):
doing it. You know, life is difficult often no matter what.
Like gues, there's a certain amount of things that money
could take away, but ultimately, like she is still single,
you know, she's there's still issues, you know, and to
take that away from her because she has money or
she has a nanny, that's not fair. You know. If
if if Lindsay were always like really truly playing the
single mom card all the time, I could see it.
But she's not so And again has to confront that
(26:35):
and like, yeah, I get it. I love this moment
with Amanda, Danielle, and Owen doing a puzzle and Amanda
comments like, there's nothing brings people together more than other
people's drama. I love that.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
She's like, I bet you we can finish this entire
puzzle before they're done with their conversion.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
All right. So then Kenny and Whitney asked her, Gina
if she really thinks they hate women, and she says
it true, sounded like it. He backs off and says
she never meant it to mean them. Georgina starts to
accept that, and then Gavin jumps in and Gavin shut up,
I'm sick of you. Kenny jumps on Gavin too. Kyle's like, Govin,
(27:14):
get out of the situation. Yes, and Gavin says, I'm
not antagonizing. She's the one that's telling me to shut up.
You know whatever. Gavin is jumping in because that's his
his his mode. Yeah, back to some food cooking, Kyle
does some horrible song rap whatever, getting rid of his
(27:37):
DJing ready, which is coming up? Yes, why like why
are you djd are Thanks? Friends giving dinner? What's happening? Yeah,
he's that. I mean, he's he's entertaining, but that is
my worst nightmare. Like what he does in the Like
if I was at a friends giving and that guy
was like showing up with the headphones, I'd be like,
(27:57):
what what are we doing? So I'm not a dancer,
not my thing. I just want turkey, Kenny and Gavin
go outside to have a talk. This is, like I
mentioned earlier, really sweet scene. I thought, yeah, no, I agree,
and it's like it's a much needed conversation. It made
me appreciate these two guys. I appreciate Gavin. I realized
that Gavin's playing a role, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah,
season he's been playing a role. And I think so too.
And I think when he's called out on it in
(28:18):
this way and he says, like, you're one of the
most important people in my life and he apologizes. Yeah,
I think he's great. Yeah, but it is, it's it is.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It's like, dude, you're you're you gotta relax, you know,
stop jumping into stuff, stop stirring the pot. And I
love how he's like, you try not to keep score
or you try not to uh, you know, put a
pin in everything. But he was like, all right, look,
you called me out for not liking dogs, you called
me a boy, you called me that.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's like, how much other shit, dude?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Before I finally have to say something like this is bad,
you just keep inserting yourself places. And I was frankly
waiting for Gavin to push back more, and I'm glad
he was kind of.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Like, no, you're right, No, you're right. This is because
he's alway playing a role when he was doing those things,
do you know what I mean, he saw himself as like, Oh,
I'm on the show, this is kind of my job.
I'm sure a producer was like egging him on a
little bit, and I think when he was when I
when it came down, when his friend looked at him,
it was like, dude, you're my friend. He was like,
oh shit, you're right, Like that is way more important
than you know.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So I'm dying to know on any of these shows.
And I'm sure it changes from show to show, but
I'm dying to know how involved the producers are, Like
are they pulling people in, pulling.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
The very involved?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, but I think to the point of like pulling
people aside and being like, you know, this is what
she just said about you.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I mean, you think it's that yes man that interacted
that involved. I totally think that's the Yeah, I think probably,
And I think that these I think that the the
the line between the people on the show and the
producers is blurry enough that they probably all think of
each other as friends at times, do you know what
I mean? Like the producers make the show people feel
(29:54):
like they're their advocates when actually sometimes they're exploiting them,
and so the people the show are often playing into
the producers desires, you know, And and so it's a it's
a it's an interesting dynamic. I would love, you know.
I think that that actually has its own sort of show.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
It's like, yeah, a producer's reality show behind the scenes
of a reality show as the reality show.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
It's actually not a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It's a sketch, but no, I mean, no vie for real,
and we don't even know the reality show that they're doing.
But you literally could do a second show, take any
one of these shows and throw a camera just on
the producers and the crew.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
And it's a whole other reality show. I know. Yeeah. Well,
it's like Emily Longerretta's article on Survivor. Yeah, like, in
some ways it was more entertaining than the entire season.
I was like, Yes, I want to know more about this.
It's crazy stuff. Yeah, all right back inside, Kyle set
up his DJ booth, grabs himself a turkey leg, just
sticking with a drunken sailor. They're like, we haven't even
sat down in the corner here. Yeah, like, let me
(30:49):
go put off the fire.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
He's not even trying to hide it at this point.
And I love what he and we'll get into it
what he says at the very end, because when when
they're when we go back to the converse, when it
says two months later and we go back to the
conversation that the entire series started on, he basically addresses
it in a way that I thought was very interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
They sit down to eat, Can and Gavin talk about
how they made up again. Gavin does not really admit
that he was crying, which I thought was kind of
sweet and revealed like that. It was I think a
real genuine moment. You know that, if anything, he probably
wishes he didn't have on camera, which makes me like him.
Danielle brings up her beef. Are we moving forward or
(31:29):
is there azigil evant from the past the Owen marriage issue.
Lindsay apologizes for the chatter. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Everyone everyone's like admits that they're like, Danielle, we've never
seen you this happy.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
That's all Like Owen. Now we finally got to spend
some time with him. Everyone cheers. Gavin says, this is
what friends giving us all about. And this is where
I was like, you know, I kind of like these people.
It's all been a little manufactured, a little you know,
but I do like, like it's cool to I Also,
I think this episode was sweet to watch them make
food for each other, Like, you know, it's an important thing.
(32:02):
And everybody does their own thing, even Kyle, you know,
he sets up his DJ. But they're all contributing something.
And I think that that's what's been missing from their lives.
If you just go to bars and order drinks and
do you know what I mean, Like, it's no. Definitely,
when you watch people like cook together and spend time together,
it's like, you know, we did friends Giving last year.
It's like it's the best feeling it is. And when
you all sit down and you're like, right and so
(32:23):
I think it brought me in it just if it
was like, oh, these people are pretty cool, like they
all contributed something, they all it just made me like
the more I was like, yeah, they can't do it
when they want to. It's just that the show isn't
about that, you know, this show has not been focused
on that aspect of their lives.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
They definitely this towards at the end here seemed more
like a genuine group of friends than they had any
other time in this Yay.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yes, And I bet you if they were left to
their own devices without a camera crew, it would probably
be more of this, which.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Probably Yeah, but you also wonder because I guess, you know,
nobody knew Whitney, nobody knew Kenny. You know, they brought
these people onto the quote unquote show, So it's also
a manufactured friend group, you know, not all of them obviously,
the Amanda and Kyle and they all knew each other.
But I mean there were certain groups where they were like, oh,
we're gonna bring you.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
In a couple of new friends. Okay, here we go.
Well that's that's what we're watching happen. Right then, my
nightmare dancing while Kyle DJs hell yes, oh, this is
like yeah, being with a group of friends, like a
small group, like well, not a small I mean I
got how many other like a dozen of them, not
even not even ten eight and trying to make it
into a dance party.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yes, that's so funny, by the way, because the first
person to start dancing at a dance party like this
is going to be your wife, Alex. Oh, yeah, so
that you're married to somebody.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
She has it. She does interpreted dancing at weddings and
gets at my wedding. It's the thing. I remember your wedding. Yeah,
it's the same thing. It's the thing. She's Italian, man,
she grew up in New York. Going to New York
Italian wedding.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
She better do it at my birthday party too, man,
I'm psyched, can't wait.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
So in the morning, Amanda's the first up because she
was the first to bed, probably got stared, yeah, and
just put herself to sleep with their pirates booty. Everyone
else is hungover though they packed the bags. As they
walk out, Kyle and Amanda, we're not going home together,
Kyle says. It feels like it's over. Yes, it's over gotten,
it's done. Cut to Two months later, we get the
(34:20):
headlines Kyle's on a talk show, he doesn't believe the
rumors about West, and we get April, those are the
headlines that popped on your screen.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Mine were like, lettus can give you explosive diarrhea and
all that kind of I was probably watching the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Damn. Yeah, all THEO. This is how the show started.
They went, They took us back to the to the beginning.
So now it's Amanda and Kyle talking. Kyle says, you
know you you just point blank lined to me about West.
She says, I didn't leave you for West. Yeah, she's
She's still saying there was no affair.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
And my guess is she means physically because I think
she was texting.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Oh yes, I'm guessing that there was some. I mean,
we've said a question between people usually have one foot
out the door because they already have an opportunity. If
someone there's that potential, whether it actually manifest or whatnot,
there's always like, people don't just break up usually.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I will bet you, I will put I would put
a good amount of money on the fact that when
she walked away from that table with that panic attack
and went into the other room, she texted we well
texted her called I will bet you they had a
talk that very night.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Well then Amana Kyle reminisced about posting their breakup message
to the world, which is just such a crazy ritual.
I mean, I've never I've never broken up. You know,
I've been with my wife since before social media. Yeah,
I mean, so I never did like dating apps. I
completely miss that and I've never had to deal with
like the breakup thing. It's such a weird ritual that
they have to like agree, like what are we saying
(35:53):
to the world and how do we put it up there?
But again, you don't you don't. I mean I think
you even if you're not in a reality show. No,
but I think people do this on Facebook. Now. This
is just you have to, like if you want to
write status yeah, because otherwise it gets you. It's like
you put people in a uncomfortable position. Otherwise maybe you
(36:13):
know because they don't, they don't know that you're broken up.
One person changes their status right now when you're like, hey,
we want to maintain our you know, we want to.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Maintain our privacy by being as public about it as
we possibly can.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
It's just the way the world is though.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
But then you get you, you get end up with
these these ridiculous phrases in the lexicon, like conscious uncoupling,
where it's like what he broke up?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Dude? Come on, so yeah, it's right mocked right now? Yeah,
and should have should have been by the way, rightfully
mocked is a great band name. But yeah, no, I
I get I get it.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's it's a shame that things that are this ridiculous
are now the norm, like that hat, you're right.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
That hack and it doesn't even have to it's you
don't even have to be in a reality show. I
think it's just kind of everybody's life now. We're all
we're all influencers now, baby, Yeah it's true. Then Amana
says this really weird thing about how her drama has
helped lover her boy. Yeah, it's is so weird. And
then she's like and then he says it's not or
she says, she says, because everyone hates him for me. Yeah. Oh,
(37:13):
she's talking about feeling that when she walks down the street,
which I'm kind of like, you know, you chose to
be on a reality show.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
And then you chose to whether whether people believe it
or not, you chose to break up after ten years
and instantly go out with his bet, one of his
best friends.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
So come on.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
But this is where I liked Kyle because Kyle was
like when he listed, He's like, look, maybe I didn't
handle it well. Maybe I just had a good old
fashioned spiral. And I'm thinking that's what we saw a
lot of the on this show. I guess is he
was drinking a ton and he was just spiraling. I
think I think he just kind of owned that, like yeah,
but we'll see if that's It sounds like he's been
in a spiral for I was.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Gonna watched where is the rock bottom of this spiral grow? Yeah? No,
this guy needs it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I mean it sounds like for his own well being,
this guy needs to quick.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Luckily, he's going on a fifteen city tour DJing party
and sure that'll help him. I know. And now this
is the thing, man, this is like being a comedian.
You know, it's just so bad for alcohol, alcohol and
drugs because you just you get so high off of
the socializing and that is your job is to be
the life, like literally the life of the party. And
it's so much easier to do that when you're drunk
(38:25):
or whatever. Yeah, there's a great It was Mickey.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
You know, Mickey Mantle is a very famous baseball player
from the fifties and the sixties. And you consider you
make the touchdowns, you make the touchdown with the hockey net.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I know the name Mickey Mantle. I've heard that.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
So Mickey Mantles was was a legendary alcoholic and oh yeah, legendary.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Well, he played baseball forever. Yeah, like that. This is
why baseball is all the fact that you could like
smoke cigarettes, Like one of the greatest players by cigarettes
earth is so overweight.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
You're like what yeah, And but so his wife after
he passed away, famously said, you know, people would come
up to in a bar and say, can I buy
you a drink?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I want to have a drink with you.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
So you had one drink with Mickey Mantle, but he
had twenty drinks that.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Night with people coming up and asking for a drink.
And so that that's the way it was.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Where Chris Harley's manager one time said that she saw
him drinking, you know, picture after Pitcher, and she literally
went up to him and said, Chris, no one's going
to take it away from you, right, like you don't,
you can slow down.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I forget who worked with it. I think it was
Blake Clark, Clark who played chet on right, and I
think he was telling us about working with with Chris
Barley when he had like an AA sponsor with him, Yeah,
and people would still offer him drinks and he would
say like, no, this is my guy, my AA sponsor,
(39:45):
and then five minutes later he would come up to
the person be like, if you put it in a
different cup, yeah, I will have a drink. And it
was like, oh, so he was like sneaking drinks. And
that's a sad thing is that they would be wanting
to you know, you want the store. Yeah, they want
to be.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
And then Chris come up to me and I like,
had to put the drink in a different thing, but
have it yeah, And that's I mean, it's awful. Meanwhile,
the guy's dying inside, so it's yeah, I think Kyle
is probably a pretty sick guy.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah, all right, we cut to June update Kenny, things
are great with him and Whitney might have accidentally got
married in Peru. Yeah, this is a weird thing. They
did some kind of ceremony and where the guys, sorry,
(40:34):
the hotel set this up for us? What's happened exactly?
I thought that was funny, but yeah, yeah, and then
Georgina says she's officially ready to date, being set up
with the guy. She's not trying to figure things out
with her ex, which I guess she had been doing.
We didn't see, We didn't know that. But yeah, and
(40:54):
you know, she talks about how she was trying to
make things work for her ex for the sake of
her kids. But then she had a friend who had
divorced parents point out, hey, I just had more people
who loved me, which I thought was a really cool thing,
and that, yeah, and that Georgiana is like that kind
of turned her head around. She's like, Okay, I think
it's you know, and this is totally true. I like,
I remember, I actually took a class in college. There
(41:15):
was a requirement in my my freshman year of college
that was a part historical part psychology. Class was taught
team taught by a psychologist and a historian on the
American family, and so we had to read all these
studies about the American family and the history of America
is super interesting but one of the things a whole
bunch of studies have shown that like, kids are better
(41:36):
off if you're split up, if you're unhappy, you know
what I mean, trying to stay together. Yeah, for the
sake of children is way worse for the kids.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Two healthy parents that are that that spery co parenting
well seems to be better than in staying in a
toxic relationship.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Exactly. Yeah, yeah, sure. And we get Lindsay, who is
now talking to how she won't be on the outside
of a mom because three of their friends are gonna
be moms. Maddy told us that everybody was pregnant on
Nick doing the gender reveal with the cake. I hate stuff.
I hate it so much, hate cake I do. I
(42:15):
hate this is my nightmare. Cake gender reveal. Jesus, just
have a baby.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
You're supposed to have your cake, your gender reveal, and
then you dance with your friends in a small group.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
You know that rider have your cake and gender revealed too,
Can dance it too? My nightmare? Kyle gender reveal Kyle
DJ and a gender reveal cake eating party. Sweet all
right on a reality show and Andrea, they're having a
baby and he's happy to be a daddy. Girl. You
keep going with your reverse cowboy and it's yeah, it's girl.
(42:48):
He's funny though. Its funny. I mean, that's the thing.
That's the thing. I like them. By the end of this,
I was like, you know, all of these people, I
feel like I know him. They're funny. Oh and Danielle
are having a baby. We see this very touching scene
of her mom finding the sonograph. Yeah, nobody, nobody pulls
out in the city. That's all. We got what we
found out here, staying in in the city, in the city,
(43:11):
so that that's a wrap. And I felt, yeah, it
was like a slight season. Man, it just kind of
you know, you get all these riled up emotions. I'm
not sure what all of it was worth. What I agree,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
I'm not not entirely sure of the of the ride
of this one.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
I mean I kind of ultimately like kind of like
these people. I don't feel as judgy as I did
at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Even if we say so, if we are not covering
season the next season of this, are you still going
to watch it?
Speaker 1 (43:36):
I don't have time for TV shows and books that
want you know, like I genuinely don't watch television like
I've just cut it out of my which sucks, but
like unless somebody tells me that a show like has
gone start to finish and is worth it, like like
Widows Bay, Yes, but like well but that's still ongoing.
I'm watching that. That is the one thing I've been
watching on going. I'm saying, like if somebody like I
(43:58):
waited for Breaking Bad, you know, I waited, he too,
was like the way so like Severance, I'm avoiding because
I watched a couple watch. I loved it, but I
was like, this could be lost, it could go nowhere,
Like I want to wait until somebody tells me no, no, no,
they landed the plane. It's work. I'm going to check
(44:27):
in on these characters, I imagine like someday, like you know,
and and I think the way I will check in
is with a friend of ours going way back to
when we were very young, mister Lee Norris. It turns
out he who played Mincus. He's a huge Bravo guy,
(44:49):
huge fan of In the City and all the housewives,
and he has a special message for us that he
sent from the field. This is our correspondent, Lee Norris.
Mincas himself giving us an update in Bravo Expert Mincus.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Okay, Righter and Will, I am in New York and
I think you guys now know that my wife and
I are big Bravo fans. So we have ventured into
the unknown. We walked through the five guys upstairs, and
we are officially in what is this called the Garrett.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Gavin in the West Village.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
And I will tell you I was fully prepared for
this to be a ghost town, Like I was expecting
this to just be like, you know, a place that
wasn't really that cool, but it is. It's it's crowded
in here. And when I say crowded, I mean it
is full of gen zers. And we are officially the
(45:50):
olds in the corner. Okay, A couple of quick things
I want to tell you. Number one, I have not
seen lover Boy anywhere in the entity. No one is
drinking lover Boy. I did a quick pick of the
menu and I didn't see it and I don't see
it on the bar, so wow, very mediocre cocktail list.
(46:13):
I ended up ordering a paper plane. Hold the paper
plane for Mincas. It's actually really good, I will say.
I'll give them props you know. Another thing I'll say
is that I keep getting the smell of French rise
from the five guys, keeps wafting around in the air.
(46:34):
And I was prepared to be snarky about it, but
I'm actually just really hungry.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
And it's kind of genius.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
I mean, people are drinking and you just stumble down
stairs and you get some fried food, and I mean,
I think it's great. Definitely catching some man hating vibes
in here. And I did try to order a murky spark,
but the bartender did not know what I was talking about.
(47:02):
So I just wanted to let you know I am
braving the wilds of gen Z reporting from the ground.
You guys are doing a phenomenal job. Keep holding this,
keep holding.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
It down for us.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Bravo, Pros and uh send me and my best Okay,
I'm out by God.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
I love him, I love himself. Pros hold the paper
plane for me because is my new favorite line. I
can't believe him. Yeah, so great. I want to go
to the Garrett so many it too sounds delightful.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
I want to have too much to drink and then
stumble down to five guys and get a burger.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Oh, my god, it sounds so good. I wish we
could have been there with him. Yeah, man, I mean see,
it's it's community building in the city. It brought us
all together, put lee back in our lives. Oh, I
love community building is yeah, I feel all right.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Well, speaking of bars, I got a last one for
you here, my to all right, this is a nice one.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
This is how we're gonna wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
We're gonna wrap it up with eight ounces of warm
Cama mile tea mm hmm, into which you pour one
point five ounces of Cardinal Spirits, which is Flora spirits,
and then a lemon wheel for garnish.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
That's it, and you sip it before you go to bed.
And it's called the Grand Finale.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Oh, I thought you'd like that.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
It sounds.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
But most of these drinks, dude, any to me, it's
just put liquor in a glass and hand.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
There were a couple that I was kind of into,
but yeah, that one's a little too sweet. I think
that's Yeah, I think it's most of the case. I
guess usually it is too much. It's like, you know,
a hat and a hat. Yeah, I agree, A syrup
on a drink on a sea way to way too.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
You sip the punch at my party, which is called
someone Spike the Punch, and it's a brand new recipe
that we made just for the party.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Amazing and it's gonna be great. So you're gonna well
in the city it comes to a close. I I
gotta say it won me over. OK, I'm not. I
don't think I'm gonna stick it out. I don't think
I'm full Bravo bro. But if if Lee tells me
like that, the next season has worthy moments. I mean,
you know, you know Maddie, Maddy, our producer, Maddy's gonna
(49:14):
keep watching. So I check in. I'm gonna be like,
what's going on with Kyle, How's how's Kenny doings?
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Kenny, you don't have you don't have Google notification set
for I mean for West.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
You're not You're you're telling me you're not gonna ask
about Lindsay and Frank down the line. Frank's my new
favorite thing. Ever. You just want a reality show following
Frank delivering Frank for women?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yes, Oh my god, it's just called Let's Get Frank.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
It's gonna be great. All right, Well, we're gonna move
into our new show Married at First Sight, which you
know basically this we're watching a show because of our
arranged marriage conversation, Yeah, I had, because of all the
horrible marriages discussed on this show. We're gonna learn, We're
gonna learn a lot about marriage moving on, and I
(50:04):
think it's gonna be higher stakes. Yeah, well, and it's
gonna be interesting. I think we'll probably end up having
a more probably more constructive, deep, deeper conversation. I've seen this,
I've seen I've seen several seasons. Okay, I've never refer
so I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
And it's great. It's a it's a fun fund show.
And I think we are coming back for one more
in the city because I think they're doing a reunion,
so we'll have to obviously do that. But other than that,
we're we're out. We're out of the city.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
You've been listening to the pod meets World. The parties
may end, the friendships may fracture, and the artisanal cocktails
may lose their garnish, but our deeply overqualified analysis of
televised social catastrophe will endure until next time. Trap your
smoking
Speaker 2 (50:55):
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