TGI - Episode 304 “He Said, She Said”

For a script that has more storylines than John Adams High School has floors, the gang is back and ready to recap. With Shawn getting advice (and tips on flirting?) from a new guidance counselor, it’s also time to say goodbye to both of our top bullies. Our hosts also notice the episode’s “bum” character is a true legend and papayas are not a casual snack, man! 
Rider details what it was like to emancipate from his parents as a teen and Danielle reveals she’s still friends with her first troll. The podcasts keep coming, but the teacher keep getting younger - on Pod Meets World! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I did get an email today from one Barbie Block
who what did miss Block say? Hello, Barbie, thank you
for listening. She had recently listened to our Daniel Harrison
interview and she wanted to bring up the topic we
discussed about emancipation, and she said that a lot of
people use the term emancipation to mean legally eighteen.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
That there are.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Two different versions of that. One is true emancipation, which
means you are divorced from your parents. You are a
full entire adult, and you can make all decisions for yourself.
And then there is legal eighteen, which is a contract
that your parents have to sign that says you can
work adult hours, but you are still a minor. It

(01:05):
just removes your parents from having to be on set
and you can work adult hours. But they she said,
most people, especially now, very few people actually get emancipated,
but there are a majority of people who are legally eighteen.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Wow, I got that must make see what? I Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:21):
I think I must have been legally eighteen then, because
I never got emancipated, but my parents weren't on the
set I was sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
We started to show emancipated will No, you had to
have been because.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Your teens have been legally eighteen or.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Oh yeah, no, I never I had to go in
front of a judge, but you know, with my parents.
But yeah, you know, I had to say, like, I'm
I'm a working adult at sixteen, and I want to
be in charge of my own money and my own
life and be able to do I had to do
all that.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Explain that process a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
How did you. I don't quite remember it all. I
just know that I was moving at sixteen once I
got my driver's license. I wanted my own apartment. You
were going into, I guess at that point the fourth
season of the show, and I wanted my own apartment,
and you know, it was like it was a source
of conflict with my mom a little bit because she
was like, okay, and so at first it was like,
you can have your own apartment, but I'm still gonna

(02:13):
come to LA every other week and stay with you
to check in. That only lasted like two times, and
then she was like, all right, you're fine, you know,
because I was working all the time, Like we didn't
have that much free time. Like when I was in
LA at my apartment, I was going to boy Me's
World every day. But but yeah, but legally it was
it was going to be better for me to be emancipated.

(02:33):
So I don't know, my dad filed whatever paperwork and
we had to go to in front of a judge
in Sonoma County where I grew up and like make
the case, and I don't know, it's like, I think
it's the only time besides traffic school, that I've ever
been in a court room, right, like, you know, standing
in front of a judgement, and it was easy. It
was just like oh, and the judges asked me a
couple of questions about like you know, basically that you
want this that, and my parents are there because I

(02:55):
think in a lot of cases, people get emancipated in
order to get away from that situation.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Right, And that's when legal emancipation would make sense, when
you're truly looking to be on your own and be
treated as an adult. And I think we had talked
about that a little bit also with Danielle Harris, about
where she was like then when the tax board came
after her, when the IRS came after her, and she
was like, they treat as I was an adult, even
though at the time I was seventeen but she had

(03:20):
been legally emancipated. Yeah, so I did just want Barbie
wanted to bring that up because I do know. I
did remember that. We didn't discuss it too much, and
I think Danielle was emancipated. Writer, I believe you were emancipated.
But there is another version you can do, which is
you're still a minor and your parents are still responsible
for you. It's just that they don't have to be

(03:41):
on set with you, and you are allowed to work
the adult hours of an adult.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
That must have been what I got, because again, I
had a legal guardian when I lived in LA I
had Spencer that I lived with, but he never came
to the set and he was there and I was
working regular hours.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
I still have to go to school and everything. But
so it must have been some version of that that
I had. Yeah, but I never have to go in
front of a judge or do any of that kind
of stuff. Are you sure your parents just didn't do
it as your attorneys without me?

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Know?

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Who knows? Maybe I know?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Maybe, Well, I'm thinking about letting Adler do it. He
really wants to move to the beach, and I.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
That's a good idea. Can you reverse the process. Can
I go back and live with my parents? Would be
imedially a child? Again? Is that a thing? Is there? Demacication?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I think you've done it with Sue.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
It's all marriage, marriage exactly, Yes, I said before a judge.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
I got married. There you go. I remember just being
so convinced that I was fine at sixteen to be
on my own. And I remember my parents asking, like
fellow parents around them, like is this okay?

Speaker 1 (04:47):
You know?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
And now I think about it, I'm like, yeah, that
is crazy talk. You're gonna let your be like even
listening to your story, will I'm like, they let you
move all the way across the and I mean, yes,
you you'd like to think that. Well, we in our case,
we were very mature and we were fined. But you're
still sixteen, dude, going back crazy just thinking about the
stuff that they that my parents allowed me to do,

(05:09):
getting on the bus and going to New York City
and you know, I was twelve when I started to
feed that stuff. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
I mean, it's it's thank god they did, because it does.
It got me where I am, and it made me
the person that I am. And it's certainly coming from
a small town in Connecticut and spending time even as
a child in New York City sometimes by myself. What
I learned more real world in the four hours I
was there than anywhere else. So in certain ways it
made me a much better, more well rounded, empathetic human being.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
In other ways, I'm like, damn on screen. Well, I
mean this is like the whole thing about parenting now
versus parenting in like the seventies or eighties, or when
you name your previous generation, where kids were just like
Linda's hitchhike, they just roamed. They just do whatever they
need to do to get around.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
And Jensen Carr, husband of this podcast, used to go
on vacation to Vegas with his parents and they liked
to gamble. Would just give him twenty dollars and he would.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Just roam the strip.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
He was eleven, Yeah, and he just right, he'd find
an arcade.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
I was giving knives and told to you know, hang out,
what's exactly we had guns and knives in the wood.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
I mean, yeah, I wasn't allowed to watch nine O
two one. Oh, so we're all the same here, We're
all the same. I wasn't allowed to do absolutely. I
was allowed to do absolutely nothing.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
And but here's the thing. But here, here's here's the
thing that you know that interests me as a parent
raising my kid because like obviously, like you know, because
my wife, my wife never had child seats. She didn't
even wear they didn't even wear like no, but she
remembers like her mom got into an accident and they
slid under the seat, like because none of the kids

(06:43):
were wearing you know, it's like a giant station, right,
it was the seventies, Like that's what you did. And
so you think, like, okay, so we mitigate risk by
you know, child seats, not letting our kids roam in
cities or whatever. But then all of our children are
more anxious out, they're scared, they don't grow up as fast.
And it's like, okay, at what point do you say

(07:05):
the trade off is it you take the risk you
allow your kids to go somewhere where that you know, yes,
they might get card if in the one in a
million two million chants that there's a serial killer out
kidnapping children right now in your neighbor. You know, but
like that's really but the risk is if if the
bad thing happens, it's awful, right, But of course, but

(07:28):
the chances of the bad thing happen really are not
that high.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
So it's also with anxieties, like you mentioned anxiety, kids
being more anxious. The perfect example is we we have
reversed what it should be. As somebody who deals with anxiety,
one of the ways you deal with anxiety is by
confronting the fear. Right, you don't make the world safer
and put yourself in the middle of the danger.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
And how do you learn that you're capable.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
You find yourself in situations where you have to prove
that you're capable, and then you go, oh, I actually
can do this.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
I don't like flying, so flying makes me nervous, so
I fly for a living. Now, well what was I
going to do? Go no, sorry, I can't do any
of this work.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
I had to fly.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
So I just kept flying, and now I'm okay with lying.
There's a certain thing, you know, people who are gorophobic.
It's not that people, well, well, now we can get
everything delivered to the house.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
That's not good going out to the grocery store. Shopping
is what you need to do.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
So it's you know, the the you know, everybody wants
the world wrapped in bubble wrapped now, and that's exactly
the opposite. To help with anxiety, you need to be
out with the sharp knives and everything.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
That's all just anxiety, just like right, you want it
just makes you a better person to be exposed to
different types of people, different you know, Like that's what
you know. You guys have given a crap before in
conversations about me being like, you know, anti one big
box store shopping or like malls, because I believe that
the friction of like going to a market, having to

(08:51):
go to different stores, having to meet different people, or
you know, those challenges are good for us, and we
have to secure so many of them. But costcos hot
dogs are amazed. Look, I mean I just order everything
on Amazon, which is the worst of the world exactly.
You lack of human contact or experience, and it's so bad.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
I don't have children, so I I you know, I
know that I'm the person without kids that gives opinions
like these, But it seems to me that kids today
don't know.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
How to lose at anything.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Yeah, everything has to be perfect and when the smallest
little thing happens, they melt down. And back in the day,
you're talking about the seventies. If we played a soccer
game a baseball game and we lost, you didn't get
a trophy. Somebody came up to you and went, we're
gonna work harder and next year we're going to try
to do better.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
That's how you did it.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Learning how to lose was so much more important than
learning how to win. And if you're still going, hey man,
great job, here's a medal. You struck out and ran
to third, well, then you're never going to know how
to actually play baseball. So it's you know, there's there's
a balance to all this stuff. But again, the easiest
way for me.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Was just going to We lost writer with the sports ball, so.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Oh we did.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Sorry, what you're talking about, we'll get into it because
in this in one of the episodes, he's got a
great sports ball reference, and I'll guarantee he has no idea.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
What he's says.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Not a cl not a few was talking about Welcome
to Pod Meets World.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm Rider Strong, and I'm Wilfredell.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Pod Meets World is coming to Philadelphia. Did you really
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Speaker 2 (10:28):
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Speaker 1 (10:29):
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to get tickets and see more information. So Today's episode,

(10:52):
Season three, episode four, He Said, She Said? Air date
October twentieth, nineteen ninety five. The synopsis Sean is forced
to visit with a guidance counselor after continually skipping class
and misinterprets her advice and decides to drop out, catch
a bus, and set out to find himself. Also, we
have a bully standoff. I feel like the title of

(11:13):
this show is very misleading.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Made no sense. When I started, I was like, wait,
didn't I already watch this one because we had done
Corey saying I Love you and her and Topenga not
saying it back. I was like, that's the title. No, no, no,
he's totally different. Yeah, So who is it?

Speaker 2 (11:26):
In reference to the guidance counselor is it so?

Speaker 3 (11:30):
She said, I went to Europe, and.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I went to Europe and.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Tony is it supposed to be? Tony said one thing,
and she said something else. He said, she said, is.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
That supposed to be?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
To be honest, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
I don't either. Did you like the episode?

Speaker 2 (11:44):
There were so many storylines.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
This is a weird episode. To me, it was a
weird episode.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
There was no conclusion to one of the storylines.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
It happens to you.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
One of the weirdest endings we've ever had too in
the show.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
We let's talk about it.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
I'm not sure, I'm I'm truly I haven't really settled
in with how I feel about the episode.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's just odd.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
It just felt agreed, agree.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Feel like there was a lot going on and maybe
this needed to be really more yeah, rewritten and maybe
some of the Wow. Producer Jensen Carr, husband of this podcast,
just wrote one of my favorites for the record, weird.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I think, I mean, I think I think this was
a lot of like ideas kind of crammed into one.
So like I especially like the bully storyline. It just
felt like a different show, totally, a different episode. Does
anybody really care about this anymore? Do you know? But
our writers did, We obviously did, and I think in
the long term maybe the fans do too. Yes, but
it feels a little long winded together, felt.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Like that should have been the B storyline of a
different episode, and instead it was maybe the B or
C storyline of this episode.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
There were there were a couple.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
So I'll tell you what. I think. The problem is
just a lack of Corey. It just doesn't around maybe
maybe storyline and that's weeded, like Ben is so lost
in this episode, and it doesn't feel you know, it's
it's it's it's sort of like a reiteration of the
Sean stuff, which we've kind of already covered pretty extensively.

(13:11):
So I think that that having the Shawn storyline is
the A storyline. It's just a little old at this
point already. I've run away so many times.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
It is getting a little repetitive at this point. Now
you're just running away with more expensive sets. Yeah, where
it's like okay, that's like yeah, now now he's running
to a place we've never seen before and Seawann's leaving again. Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
It does get a little much So this episode was
directed by Jeff McCracken. It was written by Jeff Manel
guest starring Alex d. Sairah as Eli Williams. The return
of Danny McNulty is Harvey Harley Kiner, this is his
last ever episode of Boy Meets World. Blake Soaper as
Joseph Joey the Rat Epstein, Ethan Sipple is Frankie Stacchino,

(13:50):
another return, and the final episode of Adam Scott as
it is Griff Hawkins.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
It is it is his last one. I thought so,
I thought so yep.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
So this was just the end of the Leader of
the Bullies, right.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
They basically were like, we're going to keep having Frankie
and Joey back, but we need to acknowledge that they.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Are no longer going to have a leader.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
So that's what I think the real importance.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Was, because Griff is a great character, he's a great kill.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
He may have been working, he may have, you know,
he may have already started doing other stuff, and.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Just numbers came. They're just adding.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Just keep in mind we also have alex Is on
the show as as you know, semi regular now, and
I think they're they're swapping.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
So really the whole point of this episode is to
trim characters correct, to pull back from where we went
in the second season, and to trim it back to
you know, some of scal elaments that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Which is so strange that they want to bring Danny
back to kind of wrap up his character story when
they just replaced him with a different actor.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
I think that was probably an extension, like their way.
He had probably gotten out of the hospital. He was
obviously out of the hospital at this point, and they
looked at it as being maybe, yes, as a you know,
a out of respect to Danny who had to leave
in the middle of an episode, let's bring him back
and tie up this storyline. And you know, I feel
they probably did feel like the last one, just replacing

(15:07):
him felt disrespectful and they didn't want to end on
that note.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
By the way, I had lunch with David Kendall yesterday
and we specifically talked about the you know, replacing Danny
and Danny at the table read and how he didn't
remember it and what he was looking back at his
notes and what he thinks happened is he was sent
to Lake Placid early for the Nancy Carrigan stuff and
wasn't actually there.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
He wasn't there for.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
The table read right, Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
And then we have Amy Leland as Devin Collins and
Carmen Philpy.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
As quote unquote bum.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
He is a legendary character actor who and you will
know when you see him. He mostly played bums or
drunk or old guy. He has one hundred and six
credits on IMDb before his passing in two thousand and three.
I know this is more detail than we usually give
four guest stars, but please indulge me here with some

(15:59):
of the King's highlights.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Okay, he played a drunk.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
On Rohda, a bum on Barney Miller, bum in Escape
from New York, bum on Silver Spoons, bus station, bum
on The Sure Thing, panhandler on Cagney and Lacy Street,
bum number one in Who's That Girl Now. The role
he is most famous for, which is the roadkill postal
messenger in Beetlejuice, a famous Halloween costume even He was

(16:24):
old Man Withers in Wayne's World, Whino in Parker Lewis
Can't Lose, and the same role Whino in Sister Sister.
He was old man in bar in wedding singer, old
Guy in Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and he voiced homeless
Guy in Eight Crazy Nights. He is a total legend.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
What an amazing thing to be. No, like, you just
you give good bum so Jim, So we're just gonna
make you a home our go to a alcoholic homeless
guy in everything, And once you get known for that
and you're good at it, that's all you do.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
And by the way, what a career.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Oh my god, he was on everything. He's on everything.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, so you know, I mean, it's just yeah, he's
a legend.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Do you know. We talked about like how you have
to like find your zero as an actor, you know,
like what does your presence just say about the world.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
He got up on stage and everyone yelled bum at him.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yea exactly. You just look at him and you're like, okay, yeah,
he's a b.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
This is a man who cannot drink a cup of
coffee without somebody walking by and dropping change into it.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
It's like, dude, give me zero zero.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
But again, he is one of those actors that has
been around forever, has been on every legendary show, and
almost no one knows his name. He's one of those
things exactly. It's incredible unsung heroes.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
If you check his IMDb you'll see it many a times.
So to jump into our recap school hallway, mister Feoene
walks in holding two large gift baskets and he hands
one to Eli at school now known as mister Williams.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Mister Williams things.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Phoene is giving him the gift basket, but Phoene says
they're just from seniors who are trying to get college recommendations.
Phoenie is just having Eli take them to his car.
Eli says it's good to be you, isn't it, But
Phoene says he gives it to the homeless shelters, and
then Eli says right and walks off. And then mister
Phoenie yells drop that mango man. And it reminded me

(18:14):
of when Alex said that that was one of Bill's
that he says that to himself sometimes, like to get
into character.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
The second I heard, I was like, yes, that's right,
that's so funny.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
It's funny because I didn't hear it as I didn't.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Hear that's right.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Only he has one.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Later that to me is a more much more memorable,
so you'll talk about huh. Yeah, the delivery of the
other one, the one that we have in the future,
to me was so much more.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I don't know, I just it felt more Bill, it
felt more special.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
This kind of felt to me like just a pretty
basic line reading, but obviously to everyone else it really
was very memorable. So Eric walks up, saying, boy, what
some kids will go to to get into college. Huh.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Phoene tells him to save his money.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
There is no fruit basket big enough to sway him,
and Eric says that's the furthest thing from his mind.
And Phoene says, right there next to your school work
in a great, great sweater.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
At the bottom of it.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yeah, it was like the it's like Charlie Brown, but
they moved this the Charlie Brown asked, Yet.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Then we're in Turner's classroom. Phoene walks in and sees
that Corey is holding a giant papaya. Phoene asks him
where he got the papaya, and Corey, confused, says from home,
but Phoene says he has his eye on him.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Phoene tells Turner that she.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Missed secret or a little scene, did you guy toll?
So the point is that Phoene assumes he stole it
from the basket gift basket, got it from a gift basket.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, And also if he is bringing it from home,
a papaya's work.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
This is not an apple. You just don't bite into
a papaya. It's it takes some prep.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
I know it, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's yeah, it's a reach to bring a papaya anywhere.
I'm not really.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Especially in Philadelphia. There's not a lot of kids in Philadelphia.
I think walking to school with a full papaya.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what's happening.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
I think it's the word papaya they like hearing over
and over again.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
So Phoene tells Turner that Sean missed his history test
this morning. Corey tries to cover for him by saying
Sean has a severe case of and he can't finish
his sentence and he asks Feoene for help, and Phoene
just says sloth, and Corey says, yes, Hong Kong sloth.
But Turner is frustrated and he walks out to go
find Sean and Phoene says not your best work to Corey.

(20:23):
Then we are in Turner's apartment. Turner goes back to
his apartment. He apparently just leaves school in the middle
of the day.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Is it the middle?

Speaker 4 (20:30):
So this is I thought the same thing because the
way they cut it together or wrote it is very odd.
Because Turner walks out, He's like, yes, okay, I can't
believe he did that, and then it cuts his apartment.
So either he waited till the end of the day
in school's over and he's like, you didn't go to
school at all today, or he did just bail mid day.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
I think the implication is that he leaves right.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Then and there, Yeah, he went to go.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
He went to go, so but like Corey was in
the seat, so was hurry waiting for class.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
I think he.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Probably taught his class. And then Sarah looks at rather
than going to the calf, he runs home. Can we
talk about I believe that Sean is now influencing mister
Turner's fashion choices because of this lovely vest that I
don't think Tony has worn a vest yet.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't think so either, so now, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Kind of joking, but I also think that that's something
that Sarah Markowitz would.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Is I totally agree with you, Like, now.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Other characters are going to start to resemble one another, yes,
and we're depose and closet, and we're just going to
give Turner a little bit of a nod like he
and Sean are are similar types.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Because also the ties are calming down. They're still there,
but they're not white as mold. Yeah, yeah, so you know,
I think you're right. I think I think that that
may have been a Sarah Markowitz thought that, like who
influences who in this relationship? Right?

Speaker 3 (21:49):
But then when he goes at the apartment, he's wearing
a leather jacket, right, which is gonna you know, it
brings up the leather jacket, which shows up again on
Hardly What is going on? Everyone's got it.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Turner goes back to his apartment to find Sean sitting
on the couch ordering Forrest Gump on pay per view.
Turner says, you missed another day of school. Oh, you
miss another day of school? You are Forrest Gump. Sean
says he seems to be doing well for himself, and
then when Turner tells Sean he missed his history test,
Sean says, oh, that worked out, which, as I thought,
was cute. You didn't skip school because you knew there
was a history tested just conveniently. Turner says he is

(22:26):
too much going on to try and figure Sean out,
so he's going to send him to see the guidance
counselor tomorrow. Sean says his people are celebrating a very
important holiday tomorrow, and when Turner asks what people he's
referring to, Sean says, they're staying.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
Home tomorrow to come up with a name.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Good her name.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Do you remember this robe, writer, because I remember this roe.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
No, I mean I remember it because I've already worn
it in a previous episode.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, it's the episode when you stumble out of the
Turner's apartment wearing the robe to school and I remember
the robe though. I think this robe sticks with you
for the rest of the show.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
I think it does too, because.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Sean is it's so great. I want it now.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
It's a great rope.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
So then we're in the school hallway Corey and Sean,
who is back in your Heart Atlas shirt but now
also in camo pants and a cool button up. I
like this fit. It's a little match, but I like it.
Camera pans are off. Yeah, cameo bans are aful, but
you pull it off.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
I actually like, if you're gonna wear camo pants, I
like wearing camo pants with a totally totally weird like
button up that doesn't go with it. I like, I like,
at least making it kind of weird and funky like that.
So they are discussing Corey telling Feenie and Turner he
had Hong Kong sloth. Sean is disappointed in that. Sean says, no,
matter what, with this guidance counselor, he will not waste

(23:40):
an hour of his life listening to a bald headed,
long winded leisure suit wearing up set up.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
I had no recollection of this recollection of this actress
of this episode. I actually, once I got to the
bus station, I was like, oh, right, I remember that
Sean had tried to run away at one point. I remembered, like, yeah,
I think that's right, that I ended up at a
bus station. But no recollection of working with this woman
who's lovely and this whole county. Sure, but I don't don't. Yeah,

(24:09):
So this feels Yeah, this episode felt rushed to me
for some reason.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well, because there's so many things going on.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeahah yeah, so uh.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Then Devin Collins, the beautiful new guidance counselor who looks
nothing like what Shawn described, walks over, excited to have
her name on a door.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Guess what her office is? The bathroom slash feene office
rotating door. We have yet another thing for this door
to be.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Actually, it's not what And later in the episode they
prove it.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Oh because they go out of a different hallway. Well
kind of, no, they aren't. They're in the same hallway.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
They're in the same hallway.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
But I can now the way they set it up,
they definitely make it so that this is a different floor.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Really yes, and we can talk about it now. We
can talk about it then, because it was a big thing.
I was like, oh, they just solved it right there.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Okay, good, let's see. Let's let's wait till we get
there and then you can explain to us how this is.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Actually a tower.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yep, okay.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
So Corey and Sean are shocked. She's the new guidance counselor.
Sean introduces himself and says, guide me. She looks like
she's Eric's age. By the way, It's like, I love
how mister Williams wasn't quite young enough. We're just gonna
bring in yet another young teacher until eventually we have
boss baby in here and that.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Becomes exactly This was clearly a note that they're still
responding to of like making more twenty something friendly, give
meets world that like friends style edge because she's she
never came back though, did she know? I think so?
But they're clearly testing out the waters of like because
I mean it's true we don't have I mean, and
now that miss Tompkins has gone from season two, we

(25:47):
don't have a female teacher presence, like you know, we
like we've got Feenie, mister Williams, mister Turner, and I
think that they were probably like, oh, we should probably
have a female you know, teacher. They put her in
the here, and I don't think it quite you.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Know, Betsy, Betsy's normally the only woman on the show,
and then occasionally they bring Daniell in. I mean, that
was like, that's what the first season or two were about.
So yeah, they need more women. So yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Eric gives Griff, who looks much older. I thought Adam,
he's got.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Y. Yeah, it happens, but it.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Was it was Yeah, he looked now started to look
like he was in his mid twenties.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Always yea, he looked a little older, and Frankie money
for Feeney's stationary to write his own recommendation letter on.
Frankie keeps asking griff and if he can pat Eric down.
Eric asks how they got the stationary and Frankie say says,
let's just say it fell off a truck. Eric then
asks for a foene envelope and Frankie Frankie slyly looks
at a mini notebook.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
And says Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Joey appears and acts startled to see Griff, who says
that whenever he sees Joey he thinks of small doses.
Joey runs over to tell Frankie he was surfing the
internet verbally pounding on people when he got a message
from Harley on the net. He's known Carl Kind and
he told Joey he's getting out of reform school. He
thinks he's graduating.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Joe question, Yeah, is this the first ever boy meets
world internet joke?

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I think it is, and Joe five.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, so it's nineteen ninety five. This is like, I
think the first Internet joke for us.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, really is? I mean I can't remember another one. Yeah,
I guess so. And he's talked about it Internet for
handling that was that was just on a computer.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
It was just on the computer. Yeah, it's just the newspaper.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah. So I never made a residence like email or
I don't think so. I think this is it. This
is the Did you guys have an email addresses by then?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
I don't think in ninety five I did. I think
it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Well, maybe I did.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
I might have. Still I had remember that this was
like the era of like there was the World Wide Web,
but then there were like the Internet services that you
would pay for like Prodigy aol oh yeah, and then
I my family had Genie, which was like General Electrics
messageboard or whatever, right, And so there would be those
subcommunities like chatrooms and message boards on those servers, and

(28:04):
then like maybe you could send emails to like other
people who were in other services, but it would you
would have to like write certain codes on the top
of your email in order for it to go from
one server to another. It was like a big deal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I mean I was a part of Celebrity Sightings at
the time, and so we had email addresses through that as.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Celebrity side Celebrity.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Celebrity Sidings was like truly it was way before its time,
but it was a celebrity based website where nineties kid stars.
So Candice Cameron was a part of it. I was
a part of it. Jody was a part of it.
Tian Tamara were part of it. Jonathan Taylor Thomas was
a part of it. Where you are, there's chat rooms

(28:43):
and we were all assigned chat room names that had
the equivalent of a blue check mark next to them,
and then people paid to be a part of that
service where we had like office hours where we would
go in and chat with.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
People and based on facing access fan access.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, it was like the very girl, I don't even
remember it doesn't I don't feel like I did.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
I don't feel like I did like nowadays. Yeah, but
back then, it was the idea that would just be
good publicity.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
For you, for you, and then they did dup like
promotional stuff for you. They paid for your photo shoots
and so you got like, I'm pretty sure they had
something to do with my calendar that I did, and
like you know, they there was there was that kind
of stuff, but I was it was way before its time.
But I was a part of celebrity sightings and I
talked about it and like interviews and there are truth.

(29:33):
This is so crazy. I still talk to somebody I
met on series. Yes, really he wasn't.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
He was a troll.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
His name, his username was herk Jason.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
He's gonna die when hears me talking about him, and
he was kind of like he was trying to dox
me back in the day. Back he was like able.
He was like, I know, I'm going to find out
your address. And my mom ended up my mom was
a part of it too, and she had a user
name where everyone knew it was really my mom, and
my mom ended up starting this conversation with him that
was like, why are you doing this? This is actually

(30:05):
a dangerous thing and if you're looking for attention, this
isn't the way to get attention. And he ended up
basically feeling very bad and apologizing And still to this day,
we are in communication with Jason and I had him
in real life. No, I've never I've never met him
face to face but I've we've seen pictures of each other,
obviously seen pictures of me. He's uh, I've seen pictures
of him on the internet, and he sends pictures of

(30:26):
his family to my mom. He's actually closer with my
mom than he is with me. And yeah, it's so anyway,
pretty I.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Have never in my life been in a chat room.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Wow, not one single time have I seen land experience
back then.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
So I used to go on to movie chat rooms
all the time. Back then that was like that, this
was like sounds going. I'd go on to like you know,
and I remember getting into like big debates about like
what movies were getting nominated for Academy Award and and
then somebody realizing that I was only thirteen fourteen, and
you were just like discounting, condescending and being you know,
because it was probably some forty year old dude that

(31:03):
I was debating with and he was like, wait, your
opinion doesn't count. I remember being so angry. That's probably
the last time I was in a chat room because
I remember just being like, this doesn't make any sense.
And then and then.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I used to do aol oh yeah, a messenger, Remember
you were away?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Oh my gosh, I was so into aim. You had
away message BRB and.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Wown't know any of where people would post things about,
like you know, your communities, community boards like message boards,
and then I would do interviews or like ask basically
the equivalent of like ask me anythings on AOL, Like
they would schedule a thing and I would go on
and fans would log in. Yeah, which is totally a
reddit asked me anything. But back in the day, but yeah,

(31:43):
well will you never had computers at all, Like I
had a laptop, do you guys? Remember I had a laptop.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
You had Remember you were like your laptop thousands more
than that seven I thought.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
I thought you spent seven grand on your lab. On
your lab, it was an IBM think Pad, which was
like a revolutionary Apple revolutionary computer at the time because
it was just the most powerful laptop you could get
in nineteen ninety four, I guess. And it had this
like mouse. The whole the revolution was that had this
little like eracer tip mouse in the middle of the yesive,

(32:14):
oh my god, you introduced me to Wolfenstein, and you
introduced me to Civilization. Civilization three the greatest I remember that. Yes,
those were five dollars computer.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Well, we learned from Adam Scott that he used to
go visit all of the chatrooms that talked about him,
so yes, those were those were good times, guys, good time.

(32:46):
So Joey says he's sneaking out in a shipment of
laundry next week, and he is worried, but Frankie says
Griff and Harley are going to meet, and then they will,
and then he eventually realizes though, this is actually going
to be bad and there will probably be an issue
between Harley and Griff. And then we're in the guidance
counselor's office and Miss Collins asks Sean about what his
previous guidance counselor had said, but Sean says this is
his first time. Miss Collins says, really mine too, and

(33:09):
then realizes she probably shouldn't have said that out loud.
Miss Collins opens Shawn's file and says wow. But Sean
says he'll savor the time and they can skip to
the part where she tells him education is the key
to a happy and successful life. She asks if that's
what she's supposed to say, and Sean says, well, that's
what everyone else says, but Miss Collins says that growing up,
her parents always talked about the three m's, money.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Marriage, and mortgage.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Sean says his dad always talked about the three babes, Babes,
Bucks and Bruce Keys Babe.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
It was always so fun to do an impression of Blake.
We would always do that. Hey like all that.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
That was great.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Sean says.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Chet was the philosopher of the trailer park and would
always say one man's septic tank is another man's oasis,
but he never understood what that meant. Miss Collins tries
to take a guess and says, maybe Chet was trying
to say what's good for one person doesn't hold for everyone.
Sean says he all always knew high school wasn't for
everyone because not everyone will end up in college, and
Miss Collins says she felt the same way and hated

(34:06):
the idea of college, so she took a year and
traveled around Europe. She did end up in college, but
she needed to learn about herself first. And then she
sits on the desk in front of him like a
real weirdo.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
I don't disagree. It was so the whole thing was
vaguely sexual, it's not vaguely it's like we're flirting. I mean,
I think that's the point of this storyline, or the
intention of the storyline, is that she is young and
inexperienced and doesn't realize that she the power essentially or
for stepping her bounds. Yeah, you know, but I kind

(34:41):
of wish it went there more fully. Like the storyline
that we did where the tutor flirted with you will
that made it like a real It kind of was
the same storyline, right, it was like she was overstepping
her bounds because she was attracted to you, and and
like this is kind of the same thing, but it
doesn't quite go there enough to me, Like she doesn't

(35:03):
she doesn't ever realize like, oh, I shouldn't have Like
it becomes this whole thing like, oh, she shouldn't have
said the thing about Europe. But the reality is she
shouldn't have probably like admitted that she was her first time,
and she shouldn't have kind of flirted with Sean. Did
you think that she was flirting?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
No, it's not clear enough flirting exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
I don't think the writers intended for this to have
a sexual current, but it does.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
And I feel like writer you're you're right.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
It should have been more on either side, whether they
wanted it to be more sexual than they could have
pushed it that way, or if they really did not
want it to be. It should have been more like
if she kind of preoccupies herself with something else and
goes off on a tangent about her own life and
then goes sarry, but this isn't about me, this is
about you, and she doesn't realize that by talking about
her own experience, she's made Sean think maybe that's the

(35:51):
experience I need.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
It should have been a little bit more clear. I
think the idea is that she's too inexperiencing young, so
she makes a mistake and and as more like on
Shawn's level than on Turners or you know, like horror penies.
And I think that that's a cool storyline. It just
needed a little bit more development, like yeah, she you know,
she like Actually what should have happened is that Sean

(36:13):
interprets it as flirting even though it's not, you know,
like she doesn't need and he reads it because he does.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
In the beginning, he's like, oh, she's she's hot, Like
we established it, like she's attracted to her, and then
in this scene she's kind of you know, and yet
Seawan doesn't react like Seawn isn't really like, oh, the
Austin guidance counselor told me to go show us to
be there.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
I don't either, And this is it shows the power
of blocking because she gets it changed. She gets up
from behind the desk and sits in front of him
and crosses her legs and it changes totally. Just keep
her behind the desk and it's a whole different scene. Yes,
keep It has the power of blocking, it really is.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
But that's all intentional, man, I mean that, Like, clearly
they watched run throughs where this happened, and when that's
the ride we want, we want her to be like
basic overstepping bounds. But then to not reference it within
the writing or the actual storyline, to me is a
huge mistake because it just ends up being this ambiguously
weird moment that it's not the last. This entire show ends.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
On a really weird moment with her, which Will agreed
we will talk about that as well, I know.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
So then we're in the school hallway, mister Williams asks
Foene for a favor. He wants Phoene's help for a
practice public service announcement in his TV production class. Phoenie
says he's busy, but Eli boughters him up by saying
the students think he would make the perfect narrator. Phoene
rethinks his answer and says he doesn't want to disappoint
the students. Eli hands him the script and Phoenie rolls
his eyes and asks if Eli is married to any

(37:40):
of this, before pulling out a pen to make changes
to the script, which I think is a very funny
Fioene thing to do.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Every tiny little choice Bill makes.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
I know, son, it's so good, and he whatever you
give him, he's awesome at it.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
And you just he's on such another level than everybody
else that you're watching, just these little things that he's doing,
when you're like, well, that was perfect, well, that was perfect.
Well that happens.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Is also such a great partner for him, because Alex's
confidence up against him is so wonderful.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
It's great, and the two of them together are are
really awesome on tape.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
But man Bill's choices are just perfect perfect.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
So Joey and Frankie are trying to plan Harley's return
and then Harley shows up behind them. A week early,
Harley and his lackeys are together again and Danny looks great.
He does it was nice to see you see him again.
He didn't skip a beat.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
He looks great, commanded the scene once again, wearing my
leather jacket.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Wear your wearing my leather jacket.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Corey comes out of class gossiping with other students, saying
Harley coming back as a rumor and there is a
better chance of Corey running into the loch Ness Monster.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
You glad you said. I have an underline.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
It wasn't the best monster, it was the mess monster.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
My note was Ben is in the show.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Oh there's a boy named Ben Savage on this show.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Lock ns.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
So this time they're doing it differently though, where the
person is behind him and.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
He doesn't he backs up exactly.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
It's a new thing they're doing into him, Yes, comedy.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, it's a whole new thing where he doesn't know
he's there, and he's talking bad about him and he
calls him a grease ball. Then Harley grabs him by
the neck, shocking to shocking to Corey that Harley is
really there. Harley smirks and asks babboon if he got
the threatening letters he sent, and I when he said baboon,
I got all warm and fuzzy inside.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Yeah, Ben's Ben's reading of his line too is pretty hysterical.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
And now I'm in scott exactly so funny. Corey thanks
him for the letters, apologizes for not responding, hands Harley
his wallet and he leaves, and then Joey's pager is beeping.
He pretends not to hear it, and Frankie says Griff
is paging them. When Harley asks who Griff is, Joey
plays dumb, but Harley insists on knowing who Griff is.
Joey explain he's a leader. They met on the rebound

(40:01):
and it's nothing serious. Frankie says he should meet Griff,
and Harley says he'll meet him tomorrow at noon in
the hallway and maybe he'll find out his blood type.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Blood blood I am meeting to fight in the middle
of the hallway, in.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
The middle of the day.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
I listen.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I just hope he's the universal blood type, which we
all know what that is.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Of course, exactly.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
Who knows.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Frankie lovingly pushes Joey and says, and you were worried
not picking up that this will indeed be a problem.
And then we're in Chubbies weird five am. Why are
you guys allowed in there? It's not open yet. There's
a man cleaning behind you. Why didn't this Why didn't
this scene take place in the in the backyard where

(40:50):
has to meet you?

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Downstairs?

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Why didn't you climb up the tree and go into
Corey's bedroom? Why is this happening here?

Speaker 3 (40:55):
I have no idea since meeting outside of the bus station.
It's like, if I'm asking Worry to come meet me somewhere,
I'm going to the bus station like and it doesn't
make any sense and done, and then I'm waking him up.
I the way that I can think is, here's what
probably happened. This scene should take place in the boys
bedroom where I come in, I sneak into the window

(41:17):
and I wake Cory up. And I think what happened
is because we had the bus station swing set they
had to use, they took the space that was the
boy's bedroom. So the boy's bedroom got taken away for
the week. And then they were like, oh wait, but
we had to have him waking Cory up for the
no clown no joke, which they loved and we repeated
a bunch throughout the years. So like they just got
married to a scene that they couldn't adjust, and we

(41:39):
still have the chubby Center're like, we'll just put him
in Chubbies.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
But you're because why not just meet at the train station?

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Might not meeting because then you'd have to have an
exterior train station or have me inside the train station
in the same the next I don't know, it doesn't
make any sense because.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Right that is the that is the only thing that
makes sense is that this swing set took up the
space of where the boy's bedroom was, and.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
This whole scene should be me sneaking into the window
waking Corey up to say I'm running away. I'll see
you later. Because in the next scene is him going
into the kitchen. It's like it doesn't Yeah, it would
have been doesn't normal, but we didn't have that set.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
It would have been really interesting though, to have it
in like the treehouse, Yeah, sure, because it's the juxtaposition
of I'm an adult but you're in a kid's treehouse
at four o'clock in the mark something there that would
have been great.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
We never utilized the Treehouse enough and then never comes
back to it. It's a plummer.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
No, you see it more than just in the pilot.
You see it a couple of times, but I think
only two times. Yeah, it's not a lot, and I
do love I love the I love the Treehouse.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Left.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
So, Corey is sleeping in a booth at Chubby's where
he agreed to meet Sean at five am. Don't know
why you guys are allowed in there, It's so weird.
But so he wakes up Corey and Corey is yelling
no clown, no, Sean joke.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Back so many times.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
I think we bring it back in like season six
and so yeah, no, I think it's an running thing.
Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
So Sean tells Corey he wanted to meet early to
say bye before he left. Cory says bye and puts
his head back down to go back to sleep, but
Sean is serious he's leaving town. Cory says he knows
what this is. Today is Miss Burnbaum's test, and considering
Sean has never met Miss Burnbomb, he's ditching school. Sean
says it has nothing to do with school. He's going
to travel to get to know himself. Because he can't
be happy in school if he's not happy with himself.

(43:17):
He says a idea from his guy character the.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Jacket here, I do like hunting jacket.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, well the thing across the back.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
He's fantastic, fantastic. And this is, you know, obviously because
Harley is back and took my jacket jackets. But in retrospect,
this I would have liked to.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
I agree, this is more of a.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Rider jacket than a Sean jacket, right, I would totally
wear this jacket.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
This jacket is amazing.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I like the jacket more of the time. In another episode,
I remember commenting on it and I in the living room.
I was wearing it for something, probably because again Harley
had the leather jacket that episode. But yeah, I don't
think we ever see this jacket again.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
So I like the jacket more than I like the storyline,
because again it's like, oh, Sewn's running away again, Like, okay,
we're seeing and kind of putting Corey on the spot again. Hey,
I'm using our friendship for me, please cover for me.
And I'm kind of like I'm starting not to like
I'm a little bit with that kind of storyline stuff
where it's like, how many times can we do the
same thing? He's running away and he's putting Corey on
the spot to do it. It's like, okay, let's can
we can we move on from this already? So yeah,

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that one that kind of threw me a bit.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
And it's also a little bizarre to offload, like the
reason that Shawn is making this choice is because of
a guidance counselor character we've never established before this episode.
Like it would have been great to me, It would
have made perfect sense for like Turner to have made
a comment child or like yeah, or mister Williams, somebody
who we've already established, who's like part of their community,

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who then gives this miss you know, this bad advice
or this advice that they think is good that then
Sean misinterprets, because then it feels like the culpability for
leading a kid astray is the community's responsibility, as it is,
we just have to purge this bad guidance counselor woman.
Yeah right, you know, And it's like, oh, she just
gave crappy advice, and it's like that there's no consequences

(44:59):
of that that matter to our viewers. You imagine with
him and Alex.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
I was just gonna say me and Alex, Raffeni kind
of says to Alex, you have to understand the power
of being a teacher.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yes, like the power that you hold is would be
They were just like if we need a more females,
you know that. We just think they probably were just
like getting network notes, like you can't just have the
same characters. Let's shake it up, but bye bye. But
by exporting that that sort of storyline to ann quantity
an unknown character, it really takes away the value of it.

(45:30):
This episode becomes like a romp, like a one off,
as opposed to an essential, you know, development of the
the main Cares characters.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, Turner doesn't know, and Sean wants Corey to cover
for him.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
Again.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
He tells Corey he's never been this excited or ready
for anything in his whole life, and then he asks
Cory for a few bucks, which I thought is a
very cute, such a kid thing, Mom, I'm really capable
of this.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Can I have ten dollars?

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Corey tries to stop him, but Sean says, if you
he's really his friend, he'll let him go.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
And then again I just wrote.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Why did the stan have to take place here?

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Again?

Speaker 1 (46:06):
I'm just confused by all of that. Okay, then we
are back in the Matthew's kitchen. Eric is forging a
letter of recommendation for college on a typewriter. Eric is
really really really smart and really really really nice and
a really really really good for your school.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
I love it. It's funny. But again, why not do
this bedroom's gone? Because why not?

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Why would be in it like in some sort of
private instead of you know.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
You're absolutely right on the bedroom mount.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
The bedroom's gone. That's got to be what it is, right,
You're right, writer, it's got to.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Be that because it's men.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
He signs this really really really good letter from George
Millhouse Millhouse. He doesn't know how to spell principle, so
he signs it off as head guy, head.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Guy to the men. All that we know of do
we ever learn? Feeni, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Send your emails to Daniel Fisher. I don't know, writer.
We will find out for right now, it's Millhouse.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Alan comes down to see Eric working early, asking why
he's not using a computer. Eric says, it's a paper
on the all mission. It just seemed wrong to use
a computer, and Amy comes in and sees him working
on the typewriter and asks if he put a waffle
in the computer. Again, So I didn't.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Remember this storyline at all. We're now officially into that.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I have no idea there's a reason why you don't remember.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
This episode in particular is completely lack of memory for
me too. I think it was. I think this was
a desperate week of rewriting. I think we were like,
oh sound. It was like stuff was happening all over
the place. Something was weird about this episode in our
real life. I don't remember what, but for some reason,
it completely did not lodge in my brain either. Yeah,
me neither Danielle and you weren't even there.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Yeah, and I wasn't even there, So it's no wonder
I don't I don't remember it. Corey comes home saying
I can't believe he does this to me over and
over again. Amy and Alan ask Corey what's wrong, but
Corey says he doesn't want to talk about it. Eventually,
Corey tells them it's been a rough morning. It started
with a scary dream. Amy asks if it was the clowns,
and then Corey says, yes, same dream, then just explains
what's going on.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah, But again Corey comes in.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
It's probably seven o'clock in the morning, and the parents says,
where were you? No, Hey, why are you coming in
fully dressed when we're all coming down where he originally.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Came down the stairs? And then they just changed it.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Maybe because he's Yeah, he just walks in early morning.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Nobody says anything. It might as well be this kid's birthday.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah. Then Corey starts to explain what's going on with Sean,
but he walks over to the phone, saying, who am
I kidding? I know what I have to do. Corey
says he's doing the right thing, and it's all Amy
and Allan's fault because they raised him right. Corey tries
calling Turner, but it's going to his machine, and now
he has to listen to three minutes of Kat Stevens.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Love this whole bit. I love Corey being mad at
his parents for being a good person. I think that's
a great dynamic star we haven't quite seen like you know,
and I love playing into that. And it's and then yeah,
the Cat Stevens three bites of Cat Steven's on the
answer machine is great.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
I'm not quite funny.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
It's like not super mister Turner. But now I'm like, oh,
this describes I guess it does.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Get Yeah, So then Corey just decides to tell to
tell mister Turner in person. And I really think that
these little these jokes are really good, like character development jokes.
The fact that we learn that Corey has a recurring
dream about clowns.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
And then also it tells.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
You so much that like, he has this recurring dream
about clowns and his parents are fully aware of it
because he talks about it with his family, like I
have this recurring dream about these clowns. They're in on it.
It's like a whole family topic topic. And then he
also he uh, he keeps saying, oh, who am I kidding?
There's like this big who am I kidding? Thing?

Speaker 4 (49:41):
Uh huh. And then the cat Stevens we just got
from producer Tara. According to the Internet, Poene's middle name
is Hamilton.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Please do not send your emails to writers.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Strong Hamilton, George Hamiltons.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Phoee, Okay, did you guys ever have a song on
your answering machine? Heck, yes, I did, remember I don't
remember what it was. But heck, yes, I used to
have that outgoing song.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
You don't remember what it was though?

Speaker 4 (50:07):
No?

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Was it doing a song?

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Can You used to be able to wall your phone
instead of ringing, people could listen to a song?

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Oh really?

Speaker 1 (50:16):
But also different, that's that's when we had cell phones
back in the answering machine days. Instead of leaving a message,
you could play like a minute of a song and.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
It would just tell everyone what they need to.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
I don't think I don't think that.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
In my family, my father took leaving the message very seriously,
and he sounded like a robot. To this day, if
you call him, he goes, hello, you have reached attorney
for Dell. Please leave a number. It's like, we'll are
you talking to you?

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Still? To this day? What do you call your cell phone?
Will you say? We're not home right now? I'm like,
who's I'm calling you on a cell phone? It's just you,
it's not But you see that a sense of like
a communal It's like you've called the my parents. My
parents still have an answering machine. But like will you
must have been one of those who did like joke
answering machine Like remember with some of the things. Some

(51:09):
were like, hello, you got those a lot.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Do you guys remember impersonation tapes you could buy for
your answering machine?

Speaker 4 (51:18):
You have those, I do remember, And they were big
around the jerky boys time boys.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Yeah, you could put something on. Then it was like, hey,
I'm not here right now, jerky like stuff like that.
It was like, oh man, okay, I bought a voice
changing telephone from Sharper Image they used to sell remember,
of course they have a phone, and like, I somehow
convinced my parents to let me buy this, Like as
if the whole point wasn't prank calling all right? Well,

(51:50):
I mean Sharper Image was just heaven on Earth when
I was ten or whatever. Yeah, I somehow I remember
I bought a voice changing telephone. That's all I would
do is prank call people. So funs thought it was
anything other than that, Like I missed radio shack.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
When you're like you need to buy batteries and like
what's your phone number? Like wait, what, why why do
you need that?

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Well?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Amy sees the recommendation letter from Phoenie, but as Alan
starts reading it, they realize Feenie didn't actually write it
and Alan rips up the letter, and I'm not sure
exactly when Amy realized this letter wasn't written by Phoene
if she knew from the very moment she picked it up,
But her face never gives off the thing of like
a realization.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
It's a very weird bit.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
It feels like they never believed Feenie would have possibly
written him a recommendation letter, like just from the beginning
at Eric, they think Eric is just a total idiot.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
And then by the way, this is the end of
this storyline.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, no, it's done. It's done. I had to say.
It's like the way that will just goes all, Like
when he rips up the letter, I'm like, Kiah, but
what are you going to do?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Are?

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah, it seems like and it seems very non boy
meets World, right, because Boys World is the show where
Rusty gives the good advice or Amy says that they
like you have the moment where you're like okay and
Eric comes around and changes his behavior.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
But no, this is the moment where I was like,
these parents who have been stellar A plus parents up
to this point, these parents are failing this child.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Yeah, thank you, thank you. So I fail though, they're.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Not failing Corey, but they sure are failing Eric Matthews.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
And nobody has said, hey dad, where's Morgan? No, forget,
they have three.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Children failing a kid. They got rid of a trial.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
They got rid of a kid, for God's sakes.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
So then we are in the school hallway.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Phoene runs after Eli to say he had the best
time recording his voice for the school project and he
can't wait to get a copy. Eli says, the students
cut him out and decided to go with Eli instead.
As Eli tries to say there will be other projects,
Phoene tells, you like keep your pity man, And that's
the that's the one I love.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Okay, that's the one I love.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
That's the one I think has a great interesting choice
of a read. That's the one that I'm like, I
wonder if Alex meant to remember that one.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
They're talking about mangoes like mango. I remember saying.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
That, But is that the way he says it?

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Because it.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Went on it because it's just we're doing an impression
of somebody doing a bad impression of Daniels. That's pretty true,
all right, I get it, Okay, And this is the this,
This whole scene is why this episode is because it's
so long. They want this face off with the bullies
and it just it doesn't have anything to do with

(54:52):
any of the other characters. But it doesn't. It's just
like a fan service.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Story, guidance counselor storyline. There's a fe Eli storyline, there's
an Eric forging a letter storyline, and then there is
a bully storyline. How many stories are in this episode.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
And none are really wrapped up in any way that matters.
Nobody really learns much that Mattery.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Can't fit an AB, A, C, and a D storyline
into twenty two minutes.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
It's weird. It's the whole thing is weird. But this
is the isn't this where this is where Tony comes out?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Right?

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Corey runs into Turner's classroom, saying Sean took off and
he had to tell him. Corey tells him he doesn't
know where he went, but he had a meeting with
the guidance counselor and then split. Turner walks out to
talk to the guidance counselor to see what happened. She
explains they talked about family, college and finding yourself and
then says, uh oh when she realizes she mentioned her
year off in Europe.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
This is how you know it's a different floor. Okay,
So he doesn't.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
He walks out of the hallway and then comes from
upstage and turns and walks this way. So he comes
from the top of the hallway up there, walk out
of his room and walk over to the door.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
He walks out of his.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Room and then comes from upstage. There is no telephone,
there is nothing. There is a posters on the side,
so they set it up that it is actually another
floor that.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
He goes, I love it. Yes, okay, that makes sense.
I did not notice that. Normally I noticed that we
were blocking stuff, but I did not notice that. I
must have had my head down in my notes. So
Turner asks what kind of advice she's giving, and Miss

(56:35):
Collins tells Turner to back up because she only talked
to Sean for thirty minutes, but he's been living with
Turner for four months.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
And then she says, ooh, that was good.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
It is it is, yeah, I mean this is I
think this is just cramming so much into this episode
that we don't get the counselors like this doesn't write,
because this is a nice peat to turn it back
onto Turner. Yes, but you and but you haven't seen
Turner give him advice that is back the Shawn's missed,
like taken the wrong way, So I just don't this.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
And again, this also would have worked if it was
I know that you're saying we needed another female character,
and that we did, and she obviously came in and
did a great job. But had this been a scene
between even if you don't want to make it Feenie,
you want to make it.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Turner and Eli going hey, wait a minute, Jonathan, he's
lived with you for however long he's lived with you.
I talked to the kid one time, this my second
day as a teacher. You could have done anything there.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Going back to if we were keeping it with this
guidance counselor and developing more of the idea that she's
just inexperienced.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
I like the idea of her being like, oh, I
got to remember that.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
You know it.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
You read writing some notes. Yeah, it was a good read.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
And I like the idea of her thinking about like
keeping notes for things to do in the future, and
I'm learning here, you know, Like I like all that, but.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
It but also like, if you're going to have a
character like this, then she she should there should be consequences,
there should be development. She should be going to the
bus station with Turner apologize to Sean, or maybe afterwards
the tag could be a scene between her and Seawan
being like I've now learned my lesson as a guidance
counselor I've grown, you've grown as a kid. And but
instead this is it. She's just dropped off. It's like, oh,

(58:07):
she was ditzy and pretty and made a mistake and
then she's gone, and it's like that's a bummer, Like
this is actually a cool idea for somebody to have
given advice that they think is good, and it is
good advice, go to Europe, explore the world, like that
is good advice, but then she just misappropriating it to
a child.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
It really would have been great.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
I mean they obviously Eli was obviously busy with the
Sphoenee storyline. It could have been Alan who who casually
mentions to Sean that he took a year off or
he did something.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
You know, wouldn't that have been great.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Amy Amy, because then you still have a female character again, Amy.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Could very easily say, well, you know, I took me
a while to figure out what I wanted to do. Also,
even still as an adult, it would have been nice
for her to say, listen, even as an adult my.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Teens, I tried to do real estate a gallery.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Like you know, and in order to find myself I
had to you know, it could have so okay, and
we're still in the school hallway, Joey and Frankie are
looking at the clock. There's ominous music playing, waiting for
Harley and Griff to show up.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Do you remember this? Okay, so this was okay, So
this was I remember this. So this is the only
thing I remember of this episode is that this was
ad libbed at the table read.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
So at the table read that we're.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Sitting there and you know how you would you would
sit there and do a table read is you're reading
your dialogue, and in between doing your dialogue, the director
is reading out the stage directions that are in between.
So Corey walks down the hallway and opens his locker
like they would actually read that out physically at the
table read. So the a locker squeaking and a paper
flying by was actually the His line was only this

(59:44):
doesn't feel right, Frankie, I'm I'm getting nervous. But right
before the stage direction was they're in the hallway, ominous
music plays a locker squeaking paper blows by, and then
it cut and then Blake went a locker squeaking paper
blowing by. I don't know what's going So he just
added that in to his dialogue and it got a
huge laugh at the table, so they added it into

(01:00:04):
the script. So that was all him, just ad libbing
from what the stage direction was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
None of that was actual dialogue.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
But it was soy to get that and a paper
blowing by and everybody lost it at the table. So
that's like, that's all I remember. This entire week was like,
oh my god, I remember this. Yeah, he made that
up on the spot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
It starts with them looking at the clock waiting for
them to show up, and Frankie says, Griff and Harley
fighting just doesn't make sense, and Joey says, maybe they
won't fight. Maybe they had one of those moments where
just everything makes sense. Frankie suggests that's an epiphany and
Joey shakes his head no, like Frankie is the dumb one.
And then the clock strikes twelve, and no one is
there but Joey and Frankie with an eery calm and
a Western gunfight theme music is playing. The nearby locker

(01:00:43):
squeaks with the wind like a saloon bar door, and
some trash drifts by their feet like a tumbleweed. This
is really fun, But.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Dey takes up so much in that episode.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Did we need that opening part of them looking at
the clock in the first two minutes? Couldn't it have
just started with them standing in the middle of the
hallway for noon and the squeaky door and the trash can.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Of course, I swear what happened is there was an
existing script with a guidance counselor, and the writers realized
that Danny was better and they were like, let's resolve this,
and they crammed this entire storyline into this episode, and
it takes up a lot of time. It's just a
time consuming storyline that doesn't involve any of the regular casts.

(01:01:26):
And you know, they and I think it's it's very
noble right. They wanted to satisfy the Griff Harley stuff
and like I, I, but bring Danny. It's all in
the sake of but it just makes for an awkward
episode because it's shit warned in and it takes up
all the oxygen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
And by the way, I find it very funny. It's
just crammed in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
If they had been if they had made it a
full bee storyline instead of it being a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Story that takes over a lot, it doesn't have enough time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
If they dedicated a B storyline to it, it's very funny.
And this stuff with the saloon door and the trash
going by is great.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Precory into it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Why isn't that a part of this storyline? Hey, Franky
and Joey helping them with could a million ways to
make this feel more like a part of the rest
of the episode. Frankly, what they should have done, and
they did this other times.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
I don't know why they didn't hear is they should
have cut the Eric storyline. I should have had a
week off this week, and that you gued with the
buying the paper. It's just to bring them into But
it's just my storyline. It didn't matter. It didn't matter
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Why do we need the eli Phoene storyline through this?
Why isn't it a storyline between you and Phoene because too,
I'm bringing you many things. Basically, I think what happened,
like Ryder said, I think this was a week where
there was a lot of stuff going on and some
things got you horned in. But also I think in
this episode, we're finding out that it feels like we
have too many characters, and they had a hard time

(01:02:54):
deciding which characters they were going to service, and they
ended up trying to service too many of them. And
I was still not in the episode. So Joey starts
to panic and wants to leave, but Frankie says his
mom isn't picking them up until three thirty, and Joey says,
you in your carpool, grin, And then Harley shows up first.
Then Griff walks in. Griff says he heard Harley wants

(01:03:14):
to pound him. Harley is doing a very scary punching
motion with his hands, and Griff asks what he's waiting
for the sooner. Feenie finds out the sooner Harley will
be back in reform school. Joey jumps in to say, okay,
I guess the fight's over. Who's up for a little Chinese?
But Harley starts to walk off and signals that Frankie
needs to beat up Griff instead. Harley says he's waiting,
but Frankie decides to quit being a lackey and tells

(01:03:37):
Joey he should do the same. Joey also quits and
wants to be his own man. Griff says, it looks
like they have nothing to argue about anymore since Frankie
and Joey quit, and he wishes Harley good luck with
the whole retro look, and he walks off.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
I did too. This is like the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
First time that anyone acknowledges that Harley's got a whole
fifties thing going, just like he's in the fifties. Harley says,
Frankie and Joey are showing spine self esteem and they
have real hutzba and it'll be real hard.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Beating it out of them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
And then Corey comes out of class talking to totally
different kids about how he pulled a fast one on
Chris go ahead Harley by giving him a fake wallet
with fake money, and he would have loved to have
seen the look on his face when he found out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
And then he bombs into hall In again.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
And oh, Harley says, it'll look a lot like this,
but perturbed. And then we're in the bus station and
there's Carmen Philpy sitting next to Sean playing bum going
through a gift basket donated to the homeless shelter, and
he offers Sean a mango. Sean thanks him, but he says, no,
don't thank me, thank George Feeney because it's written on

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the card. And there are also teeth in the basket,
but he says, oh wait, they're mine. Those are mine,
and then he walks off. Turner runs in and finds
Sean and says that when he heard Sean was going
to Europe, he immediately thought bus station, which I thought
was a funny joke that he just knows immediately he
won't be at the airport, he'll be at the bus station.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
This is not a.

Speaker 6 (01:05:03):
Huge set, by the way, form and used and not utilized.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
That all there's like back rooms I know is there
probably was multiple scenes in this in the original script,
but uh, instead we lost the boys bedroom for this.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
Yeah, so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Sean is trying to go to Paris, France, but he
has a bus ticket to Paris, Texas. He thought the
TX meant Tex Turner says he doesn't know what Miss
Collins said, but running away is not the answer. Sean
says he's not running away. He's going somewhere and doing
something with his life. He wants to ski the Alps
or go to Spain and chase the bulls. When Turner
tells him that the bulls chase him, he says he

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doesn't need Spain, and Europe's a big town and there's
tons of stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
For him to do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Great line, Yep to Europe is a big town is great.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Turner asks why Sean didn't come talk to him, and
he says because he's busy and he has his own
stuff going on, but that doesn't mean he doesn't care
what's going on in Shawn's life. Turner says he's more
than his buddy. He's responsible for him, but says he's
not his dad. He's used to being on his own.
It's made him realize he has to look out for himself.
As Sean starts to walk away and thanks him for
the roof, Turner yells after Sean and says he's not

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going anywhere. Sean says he's going to Europe, but Turner
corrects him that he's actually going to Texas again. Turner says,
Sean has no idea what he's getting himself into. So
Sean is going back home with him where he belongs,
and if he wants to go to Europe, they'll go
together next summer, but only if he starts going to
class and he gets his grades up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
And this is all lovely, lovely stuff, but great, it
just doesn't feel earned by the episode now at all
because it's not about our relationship until this scene, so
we haven't really I.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
Don't know as it's a great could have been such
an amazing storyline for Sean because for the first time
he's running towards something as opposed to from something. Yes,
which is a huge bit of character development, or could
be if it's done right. You're actually going towards something
and you're looking forward as opposed to just getting away

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from what's behind you. That's huge for a character. And
they didn't do any and it's like, Okay, it was
really weird.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
I had an interesting thought, which is this summer before
this episode, I went to Europe with David Colmes, my teach.
That's when you went the show. So I wonder if
the idea teacher offering to take a student to Europe?
What came from real life? Think if the writers on
our show knew that I had gone to they did

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with David, that they incorporated that into this, which is great.
It's kind of like a yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
I bet you, I bet I bet they did. David
Colms influencing the storylines of Boy Meets World. The man
with the gift basket tells Sean to listen to his dad,
and Sean says he thinks he will, and he hands
the man his bus ticket. The man yells, all right,
I'm going to Europe. And then we're in the guidance

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Counselor's office. Corey is laying down on the couch, venting
to Miss Collins about losing Sean and there was really
no for him. Plus Harley is back and he's running
out of wallets, and then there are those clown dreams.
I love this, this Runner of the Clown thing. I
really do enjoy it. Miss Collins interrupts Corey's rambling to
say this is not the kind of counseling she does,
and then Turner and Sean walk in. Miss Collins asked
Jean the next time they talk if he can explain

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what he thought she meant. Sean doesn't understand, and Turner
says he can just talk to him. Corey steps out
with Sean and we get a really odd reaction shots
Miss Collins who's slowly walking toward mister Turner, who gives
a side smile, and it looks like, boun.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Go ahead on the desk right now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Don't understand miss what to do with this character?

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
So they were like, what do we I mean? The
is the is the point that the guidance counselor is
too attractive to be a guidance counselor and she's just
flirting with Sean and now Turner or like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
What a message that you cannot be a young woman
in any place.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Of business because no one will take you sea, no
one will.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Take you seriously, and everyone will sleep with you. I don't.
I don't understand what's happening here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
I don't either. It was so exciting, exactly the same,
and I was like the look between Turner and the
counsel question, Mark Lake, what is is this something that
was out?

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
And then when when Corey and Sean go outside, there's
like a pause and then you hear the door close,
which normally when you you hear the office door close
behind them, but it's not like immediate. It doesn't the
door doesn't you know, Normally when you are doing a scene,
you want the door to close first, and then you
start your dialogue. You try not to close the lot
the door on a line, and they don't close it

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on a line.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
They close it in between a line.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
But also like you could have just left the door
cracked and I wouldn't have wondered why I didn't hear
the door closed, but you do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
It's extra weird. So outside the door.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Sean says he's not mad, and Corey says he's not
apologizing and he's no longer responsible for Sean's actions. Sean
says it's no problem, and he guess he missed his
biology exam this morning. Corey says, don't worry. I took
the exam for Sean. Two things I can't believe. We
never addressed what happened to the end of Eric's storyline.
Just nothing, just that, not even with FENI, not even

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with Feenie. Phoenia doesn't even know as far as we know, No, Okay,
what is?

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
What is?

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
They're going to do for college. There needs to be
a discussion. What are you going to do? You don't
have a letter of recommendation?

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
You get there? Were we do episodes I know that
are about that. We get there. We spent three episodes
in the SATs. Right now we're in college letter of recommendations.
So weird. Well we'll cover it. But it's a weird. Yeah,
this whole episode was just and everybody was good. It
was just bizarre. It was like, yeah, I don't dislike it,

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but I don't like it. It was just weird.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Second thing, Okay, where the am I? Why am I
a part of this podcast? Do you guys want me
to get somebody else in the seat?

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
To Panka is not a big part of the show
until I mean because of the lore, because you are
part of the this is the thing. It's like boy
Mean's world has like two levels. It has the levels
that are expositionally told to the viewer. This is this
is the storyline. Sean is this type of person. Corey
into Panga are always there's all this expositional talk and

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then there's actual storylines and actual like what you're watching,
and sometimes they're not equal to each other. So like
there's a lot of like, for instance, there's a lot
of exponential stuff about Eric being ridiculous and being dumb,
which is fun and it takes up a lot of
the actual screen time. But then there's a lot of
expositional talk about Corey into Panga and how they've always

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loved each other and they're meant to be together when
in reality you're barely on screen until like season four
or five. I really believe that, Like it's crazy. Yeah,
it's a weird show in that way, Like there's two
levels to it constantly.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
So is it like that what do they call that
with the Berenstein Bears and all that stuff where people
are remembering and I remembered it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
The Mendela effect. Yeah, so it is. That's what it
is on this shows you to remember things that never happened.
Our show was like, we always do this, this is
what we always do, and it's right right right little squirrels.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Well, anyway, thanks for listening to this episode of Pod
Meets World. You can follow us on Instagram pod meets
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Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
I didn't say anything I was to panging it on
the first few at first few seasons of Pod Meets World.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Is that wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Just invisible march.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
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Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
We love you all, pod dismissed.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
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