TGI – Episode 313 “New Friends and Old”

William Daniels is a consummate performer, and the most accomplished actor on the Boy Meets World set, but THIS episode marks the first time we see him *almost* break. Emphasis on ALMOST.
 
The gang bids farewell to Joey the Rat - but welcomes back Vader - who gets to flex some real acting muscle!
 
It’s the first episode after the Cory and Topanga break-up, but the script doesn’t seem to care. And who knew that Mr. Turner was from…Connecticut? 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I have a story about my mug.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh it's a very big it's very very loud.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Gorgo about rushmore mug. So this is this is it.
This is one of the camper van stories from the summer.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
The summer of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Oh, the summer of twenty twenty three, which was man,
guys had some eyes, that had some lows. Was our
our family was put to the test and one of
the you know, it was great, it was ultimately really
worth it. We're all in therapy.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
It's fine.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
But the one one of the best worst moments is
we're camping. We okay, let me just say you guys
will be not shocked to discover I don't really like
touristy things.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
No, no, that's impossible. You love that, right, So it
a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Of character that I have a right okay. So and
you know, and while we were traveling, I started to realize,
like I get stressed out by very specific things, and
I realized a lot of it goes back to my
dad when we used to travel as kids. He just
we were always getting screwed, like money was just like

(01:35):
you know, he grew up with with nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
So taken advantage of everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
We were taking being taken advantage of by everything. So
if you have to pay for this, you have to
hire somebody to take you something, you know, And so
he never wanted to buy anything, never wanted to pay
for anything, and so traveling was always this like crazy
stressful time of like, oh my god, everyone's out to
get us. We're not gonna you know, we have to
save money. So we would always be like, you know,
camping in like the worst situation on the side of

(01:59):
the road.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Okay, I just want to clarify, because you weren't.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
You don't think you were actually being taken advantage of
all the time. Your dad's perception was that anytime you
needed to pay for something, that person was trying to
screw you.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Absolutely never, you don't have to pay for hotel rooms,
you don't have to pay for anything. So we would
always be like in London in a rain storm, like
doing great trips, like we were very adventurous, but we
would always be stuck without a place to sleep because
my dad to do with it. And it's taken a
lot of time for me to realize this and be
like why am I so stressed out about like traveling

(02:33):
it's like it's okay if you budget correctly, you know.
But it's just my dad thing.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
He grew up with nothing, like no money, and it's just,
you know, it's hard to get over that. He's gotten
a lot better now. Now he enjoys himself. And I
tell him all the time, like, you it's okay, you know,
you can buy the plane ticket and enjoy yourself. It's fun.
So he's and he's gotten very good at it. But
I so here. So we we're camping and we find
out that we're where we're camping is like right next

(02:59):
to Amount rush And like it was like we see all
the signs everywhere, and Alex is like, oh, tomorrow morning
and when you know we wake up, we should you know,
we'll see Mount Rushmore. And I'm like, oh yeah, well,
we're definitely it's on our path. And we're driving and
we're you know, waiting for it's a beautiful part of
the country South Dakota, and then like, you know, you
see it. It was like, no, there it is on
that hill and you look, there's Mount Rushmore and it's like, oh,

(03:21):
is it as big as we thought?

Speaker 5 (03:22):
You know?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
And then we're driving and then Alex is like what
are you doing? And I'm like, oh, we saw it,
and she's like, no, we're going. I thought we were going.
We're gonna park. I'm like, do you know how much
they charge you to park? Like, no, we're not. That's
that's like, but what you want to park at?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
And then what then when we can drive by it?

Speaker 3 (03:41):
We just saw it?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
What do you want to do? We're to spend fifteen dollars?
This is how they get you. This is who's getting.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, they're getting my father.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
And I'm sitting I'm like screaming at my wife like no,
there's no way I am paying money to go to
my and she's like, what is wrong with you? I'm like,
oh god, oh my god, you know, and poor Indies
in the back like what's happening? And and then pulling
in of angrily paying for the thing, and.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
Then unbelievable sighteen dollars to see a national monumental Oh.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, we're going to celebrate the presidents. What's next? Right?
And and then we get out and of course you know,
by now we're laughing, and then Indy has like the
best time, and then Alex is like, well, let's go
to the gift shop. I'm like, oh, of course we're
going to the gift shop. So I bought the biggest.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Mug I could for you, Indy.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
We got India Glue in the dark Mount Rushmore T
shirt and like he loves it. And now it's like
we come home and all we do is just laugh.
We're like, oh, this was that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Writer.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
How much was the mug? I guarantee you it is
more than the parking.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Oh, I'm sure it was more. That's how they get you.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
They get you. They get you.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
In with the marketing and then then they charge all
the stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Capitalists people trying to make money off and make money.
That's why you don't want to have fun. You have
to save your money.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Don't let at least Danielle doesn't want to have fun
because she's just not a fun person.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
You don't want to pay for fun. That's the strange part.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
If I know other people are going to have a
good time, I'm more than willing to pay for it.
I want other people to have fun, and I'll give
you a ton of money to make the fun easy
for me.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
I have no bride. I'm going to a concert. Oh
the parking right next to the place I'm going is
seventy five dollars. That's reasonable. It'll get me out of
here faster. I'm in for it from.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
The fun fastest. When the fun is over, when how
can I get out of here?

Speaker 5 (05:30):
Yeah, I'm just the opposite, by the way, meaning like
if I'm in a gift shop and it's like it's
an eighty dollars Viking helmet, I'm like.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
I have to have this, And Sue's like, for.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
What what do you need a plastic Viking helmet for?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
And I'm like, because I have to be a Viking today.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Like it was just one giant storage unit, Like where.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Is no And that's the thing is we don't we
don't have a whole bunch of jobs.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Do you have a storage do you have multiple storage.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
In I don't have any storage in it. And we
just keep all this filled.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
We just filled a full size I'm so forty by
seven foot dumpster with junk and now.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
It was magical.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
It was truly did you like paid for a dumpster
to come and like we had it for a week.
We had a dumpster in front of our house for
a week and we fill it was five hundred bucks
for the entire week, and it was the best money
I think I spent water.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's five hundred dollars to park a dumpster.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Dumpster in front of your house, but you get a
moment dumpster mode. It was the great thing. It was
the great well.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
By the way, while you're at Mount Rushmore, did you
find Sibyla?

Speaker 3 (06:34):
No, you didn't find the City of Gold. Have you
not seen National Treasure too?

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (06:39):
No. It was funny because there is a plague that
says National Treasure too, and we're like, you should probably.

Speaker 7 (06:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Poor Ed Harris died Abla.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
My thing with your story is that I'm with you.
Drive by and see it. You've seen it. There's nothing
else to see. I went and saw the Grand Canyon.
I took a road trip from California to Oklahoma and
stopped at a bunch of different places on the way.
We took Root sixty six as much as we could

(07:08):
and stayed in all the cool places and got to
the Grand Canyon, got.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Out and I was like, oh my gosh, this is gorgeous.
Stood there for maybe two minutes and then was like,
let's go see.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
That's a problem. It's a parking lot. I mean it's
still it's you have to. Yeah, we actually did the
Grand Canyon really well. We found a tour where you
are in a private car with somebody who lives on
the Navajo property that and they take you onto the
Navajo land where no one else is. And it was
literally us on the edge of the Grand Canyon in

(07:46):
like three different spots, like a four hour tour. It
was amazing.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Yeah, that's I did something I should not have done
at the Grand Canyon. And to this day, it's one
of those things when I'm a kid. Like as a kid,
I look back.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
And go, you threw something over the edge.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
No.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
I My friend and I waited till dark and snuck
under all the security things and literally hung our legs
off of the edge and laid back and just.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Looked at all the stars for like four hours.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
It was that sounds pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Unbelievable, But you look back and it's like one slip
and you're done. It's the hitch black. I so it.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Wasn't handle like like Indie. Walking towards the edge of
things freaks me out more than anything in the world.
I'm like, no, dude, I can't be with you. Around
the edge of something like I'm just too stressed. It's like,
I don't especially.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
If you paid for to be around that thing, you
actually paid, how they.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Get you, You're gonna you get screwed. Man.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
See Danielle and I rider.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
This is why we missed you on our part of
the road trip, because even though the r part of
the road trip was small, we still ended up in
some pretty marvelous places, like Danielle, where was the one
place where it was just all the wind chimes.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
For some reason, that.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Was the place with all the chocolate.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yes, it had chocolate wind chimes and puzzles, lots of
puzzles and kids toys from like the eighteen hundreds, where it's.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Like it was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
It was cool, it was really cool. I can't remember
where we were though.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
I don't remember where we were either, because I actually
don't remember the names of the places we went at
all either.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
I don't. You have to keep a road journal. That's
what we started doing because we realized, like we don't
remember anything from previous trips, they all blend together. So
now we keep a road journal and we go through
it every night together as a family, and we all
write notes and then we left it out in the
rain and it got soaked and a lot of the
pages bled together, So that will be interesting.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
But that's how they get to a road journal.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
They get you.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Welcome to podme That welcome to pod Meats, That's how
they get you.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
I'm Danielle Fitchelm, writer Strow, and I am not paying
fifteen dollars to park here.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
WHOA.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
We're now smack dab in the middle of October, a
very spooky season, but instead of fear, we're bringing laughter
to some of our favorite cities.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Speak for yourself. I'm bringing fear, HI will bring angst.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Sounds like a plan.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
We will be in Cleveland, Ohio, on October thirteenth at
the Mimi Theater, Toronto on October fourteenth at Queen Elizabeth Theater,
and in Pittsburgh on the fifteenth at baym Theater.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Tickets are still available for these shows, so go to
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Speaker 3 (10:17):
And get your costumes ready.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
We've had an incredible time seeing what you've all decided
to dress up as.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
So what have been some of your favorites?

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I mean, Corey and Feoenie and the roller coaster.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
That's pretty great.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
There have been some great Minkisesian guys.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Kai I love that. Yes, I have once.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
And now it is your chance. Go to Podmeets Worldshow
dot com now for your tickets and we will see
you soon. So today we are recapping season three, episode thirteen,

(10:56):
New Friends and Old. It originally air January nineteenth, nineteen
ninety six. The synopsis Frankie becomes friends with Corey and
Sewan in hopes of turning over a new leaf, but
ends up hurt when he discovers the guy's had ulterior motives.
It was directed by John Tracy. It was written by
Matthew Nelson. Rest in Peace and Uh guest starring Ethan
Sipplea is Frankie Stacchino. Now worth noting we have now

(11:20):
seen the end of Blake's Joey the Rat.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
He did not.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
I was wondering about that.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's ever comes back.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
He never comes back.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yes, yes he does, Yes he does. The graduation we.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Have like thanksgiving his house.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yes, there are still more solo episodes of Ethan Is,
but Blake is done. So we have now seen the
end of blake Joey the Rat. They do come back
for the reunion or the graduation episode where there's a
little reunion, but such a bummer because I was man
just so thoroughly enjoying all of that.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
We have the return of Leon Vader White.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
As Frankie Stacchino Senior, so obviously they thoroughly were impressed
with him during that last because.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
And then we have Eliza Coyle as Melanie.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
She's still appearing on TV, most recently heals, and she
is married to actor director Joel Murray, the brother of
Bill Murray. And we have Adam Wiley as Robert. He's
best known as Zachary on Picket Fences and tons of
other things.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
So no memory of this episode. And like I would,
I I know Adam like I've run into him over
the years, and I knew him, but I never knew
he was on our show. I did not know.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
I remember Adam was. I think he might have even
done more than one.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
He might.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
You know him, but I didn't remember that he was
on our show. But we're just about the Magic Castle.
He was a magician also working at the Magic Castle.
He was a very good magician.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
And then his brother was the host of Grinders in Line.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Oh my god, no, his.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Older brother was right. He was like he was the guy.
He was like an actor MC host dude guy. And
we I think through Adam we knew him or somehow
or maybe just Angel and Vicky we knew him. So
he's the his brother, Adam's older brother was the host
of Grinders Inline. All these people out there clutching in
their vages.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yes, everyone just watched it last night.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
I still mine, still can't stop, but I still.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
So let's hop into our recab. Well, I mean, do
you guys want to You didn't remember it. I didn't
remember it either.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I remember it.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I fly the first scenes. I enjoyed it too.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah, I liked watching Ethan, Yeah you know, he's so good,
and watching the kind of depth of of what they
did with the Frankie character in this episode.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
I've thoroughly enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
I really I was a little on the fence about
some of that. We'll talk about it as we get
to it.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
But there's like this overall idea that like, Frankie is
a Frankie is more than what you know of him
to be, and it's your fault you haven't noticed it,
And yet I'm like, is it though.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
He's also a bully. Yeah, he's also a boy.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
He's he's they've never seen him as anything else.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
And he we had the love We had the love
episode where.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
The guys have, right, Corey and Sean have. It was
more about when Sean gets on his soapbox about you guys,
have you even bothered to look past him?

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Have you ever really looked at him?

Speaker 4 (14:09):
And you know, the poor Robert characters like yeah, upside down.
I'm like, so when he's been holding you upside down?

Speaker 6 (14:15):
Yeah, you're supposed to be like, maybe there's more to
this born.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
It was certainly interesting, but I just I liked watching him.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
And by the way, and we'll get into this too,
another no Rusty episode, get vials again.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
He must have been busy.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, he had to have been working on something.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
He must have.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
He must have gone out to do something, because it's
too many now in season three that he.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Hasn't been in.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
I know, I agree, he must have been doing a feature. Yeah,
all right, so let's hop into our recap. We're in
Phoene's office. Phoene, sitting at his desk, says, all right,
I have enough information, and then we pull out to
see Sean and Corey sitting in his office dressed in
cheerleader outfits. Corey says, mister Feoenie, we didn't do anything
to provoke Frankie and Joey. Phoene then thanks them and
tells them they can go.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Now. I didn't remember this at all, but we had
people come to our live show dressed ere cheerleader outfits
and they were like, you know, it's the time, and
then I was like, oh right, and I had the memory.
But what I have a memory of is a photo
that was taken on the set this day and someone
has it. I don't know who.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
I think I have it. I have a holoid of
you guys in this.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Hour, which I never remembered what that was from. I
was like, is that from chick like me? Why were
we in?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
That's what I always thought.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, But it's funny because the reason I wouldn't remember
this is because we only did it one day. Right.
It's a costume gag, so it's.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Not really Sphoene's office, so it wasn't filmed in front
of the audience.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
No, so we did we do the hallway too, so
we could have Like but it's just funny because like
it was obviously like, you know, an hour of my life.
It was not like like chick like me. We were
in makeup. It's a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
So I remember that week you're talking about it.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
This is just one, you know, in one hour of
our lives in so I totally didn't remember it. It's funny, though.
It's a funny gag, so a surprise.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Scory asks like this, referring to their outfits. Sean asks,
how are we supposed to get home? Phoene tells them
to wait until it's dark and then run very quickly.
Corey gives him a week's and they walked toward the door.
Their heads poke out of the office to check if
anyone's around in the hallway. Corey says, everyone's in class.
We couldn't have picked a better time, and then it's
a non cutting optical flip.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
They walk into the school hallway and as they exit
the office.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
The bell rings. Cory says, that's bad, and kids start
to flood the hallways. Everyone looks at Corey and Sean.
People are whistling and owing, and one guy even comes
up to Corey to try to touch his butt.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
That was so weird, bizarre.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, I thought the same thing.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
I was like, Oh, they really and they obviously told
that guy to do that. That's not that's not a
choice that that a background actor is going to make.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Somebody came up and said, go try Ton't.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
You took us? Is this John Tracy? Yeah, that's that's
on on on character, okay, yep on brand.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Eric and Topanga are now in the crowd and Eric says,
check out the new competition.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Pretty hot. Huh. Tapanga responds, look at them. They must
starve themselves.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Eric sits together. I know, can you believed together since.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
The last to Panga.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
I think I had your face in my hand the
last time we actually acted together. And as I watched
it last time, I was like, hey, kind of a
scene with the two of us, a little bit of
a scene.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Sure, we don't look at each other, bro ever seen together.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
That's okay, we know each other.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Apparently that's exactly Eric pats Sean's cheek and says, I
get nervous around such beauties. Eric and Topanga walk off,
and I say, no, wonder I never made the squad.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
To Panga tried out for the cheerleading squad, I doubt not.
It's I don't think so. She's just yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Doesn't seem jarring to you guys that were just not
acknowledging Cordy' to Panga after after that montage, Like I
mean that was it was. It was like the like
at least a longing looker.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
I don't know, man, you're just well, I'm telling you there,
you're just supporting. This is the problem I had that
everybody that you guys were like, no, I'm in now,
it's I they You're just supposed to buy it now.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
I was waiting for the joke. I was waiting for
the joke of like this is why we're not dating anymore,
or something about like to a just reference and just
acknowledge that it's like now we're or we're gonna be okay.
But it's like nothing. I was like, oh, maybe it
was out of order. But then if it was out
of order, then they would have been together.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, gosh's you know what.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
By the way, it would have seemed more reasonable that
they were still together in this episode because we've had
other episodes when they were together where they you know,
just kind of passed each other and she was just like, oh, sorry,
that's happening bye.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
And then she walks away.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
That part did bump me as much as I enjoyed
the overall episode.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I did.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Then after this scene, say, wait a minute, wasn't the
last time we saw them this montage breakup? And and
it was supposed to be hard. So yeah, the the.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Non continuity of a sitcom, I know.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
Also, this is a this is an episode with so
they're trying to put everybody in. I mean, Rusty's not there,
but you've got Eli, You've got Tony, You've got that
whole storyline there, You've got Blake, you are are Ethan,
You've got I mean, there's there's a lot going on,
uh in this episode with with with with different actors,
different characters. I mean, the entire episode, the focus is

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different characters than we normally do.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
So that's true. What's so strange?

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, Sean looks at Corey and tells him those Buns
of Steel videos must have paid off.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I remember those Buns of Steel videos.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
They were great.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, and then we're back in Phoene's office.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Phoene is thinking Frankie and his father, who is Vader
now in his great suit, He's coming down to discuss
this matter. Feenie addresses mister Stakino and Frankie and Frankie's
father both say yes, I mean.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
He is just so great.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
I love this whole scene me too, This whole bit
is amazing.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
I was sitting there going like, why is the blocking
so awkward? And I was like to criticize the blocking,
and then the reveal of her is like perfect, but
was like, why would you possibly stand the actors like
that up there right? And I was like, this is
really poorly directed. I was like, no, it's perfectly directed.
It's just so good.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
So Phoene clarifies he was talking to Frankie and his
father says yes.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Again.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
He tries clarifying he was talking to little Frankie and
both of them look at each other and they shrug.
Phoene walks over to Frankie Junior, saying he was talking
to this lad right here. As he pats Ethan on
the shoulder. Phoene asks whose idea was to burn students
clothes and make them dress up and cheerleader outfits. Frankie
tells him he cannot say. He must protect his friend
Joey the Rat. Phoene tells him it's too late, Joey's

(20:17):
already been suspended. This meeting is to try and save
Frankie from a similar fate. Frankie's father cuts Phenie off
and tells him that won't happen to his boy, and
then he cuts an excellent promo and explaining that it
won't happen again.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
My boy, he's gonna straighten up and he's gonna fly ride.
It's an eleven times heavyweight. Can't read out the world.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
It's so good, he guarantees, and then he barks over
and over again.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
He guarantees his boy is gonna toe the line and
starts barking at Phoene. We actually see Bill's hair, yes,
blow in the.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Breath a second.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
I could watch that all day.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Him just like shaking his head is like the.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Wind, the wind of his blatch.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
He almost like he almost fumbles his next line.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, because that's why I thought he was gonna But
he's not. He's just dealing with the dude in front
of him.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
So good, so good, beautiful. Phoene assures mister Staquino. He
appreciates his passion, but he doesn't have to bark. Frankie
looks upset as he says, poor Joey, poor me.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
What will I ever do without my best friend? Phoene
tells him.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Someone who drags you down is not your best friend.
I suggest you find a better crowd, or you'll end
up like your friend Joey. Frankie's dad yells at him,
telling him to do what Phoene says. Phoene butts in
and tells him he doesn't have to yell, and Frankie
Junior says he's not yelling as his dad puts his
arm around him in smiles. Phoene shakes his father's hand
and thanks him for stopping by.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
As Frankie and his dad walk away, we see there's
been a woman standing behind Frankie this whole time, completely
blocked until this moment.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
She just looks so sad. Yeah, she's just a trod
upon woman's her poor life.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Is just she obviously was a background actor and so
probably somebody d d picked, right, I mean yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Her look on her face is just so.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
Really it's such a good clever joke though, I mean
it just you don't need a single word.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
It's just the reveal. Oh missus, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I'm so sorry, And she nods at him and shrugs,
are you gonna do just no good.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Also one thing that it's so funny.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
We've talked about this a little bit, but everybody always
comes up to me, especially well I'm sure they do
it to you as well, but they come up to
us and they say, you're a lot smaller than I
thought you're gonna be.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Like, you're a lot shorter than I thought you're gonna be.
You're a lot smaller than I thought you're gonna be.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
The the opposite is also true. When you're a really
big person, you look smaller on camera.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Being next to Leon.

Speaker 8 (22:44):
He was a mountain of a man, and you got
that sense in this episode from the size of his suit. Yeah, Like,
if you look at that suit he's wearing, you forget
how big this guy really was in person.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
I mean he was a mountain of a man. And
this actually, when I watched it was like.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Oh that's right. I forgot how big he was because
you see the suit. It's like it's huge, huge man.
Such a nice guy too. We always talk about it,
what a guy.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Was, What a man.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
So then we're in the school hallway, Corey and Sean
are wearing new John Adams hoodies.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
I love these hoodies. I still have on one, Julia,
really I still have that's I wish we had that.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I want Penbrook. I want a whole Penbrooke outfit.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
And I know, and just make that merch have the
one that Ben's wearing, the dark the dark gray one.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
It's I use it to work out.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Rider's wearing the gray one.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
I think I think gray and dark has whatever the
darker one is.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
I think it's green, is it? I think it was green.
I don't know, Okay.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Rider also has a sweater tied around his waist, So
he's wearing a hoodie and a sweater tight around his waist.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
He must get very cold. Sean says, well, it sure
feels better than those skirts, and Corey says he doesn't know.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
There's something to be said for the freedom they gave.
Sean looks at Corey and degrees Yeah you thought that too.
They both look at each other quickly and laugh as
they say, No, No, maybe you guys just are gonna
wear kilts.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah, I was gonna say, kilt spread around for hundreds
of years for a reason.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
There's obviously a comfort to that. My god.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Absolutely, the insanity of a guy wearing a dress.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
No, you would it Sean says they better get out
of there before Frankie comes looking for them, and Frankie
has quickly become the boy's main op here. He is
just number one. Corey says, there's no need to worry.
If he Nee just read him the Riot Act, even
Frankie wouldn't be stupid enough to mess with them. After that,
Frankie walks up to Sean and Corey and puts his
arms around them, saying, Oh, you'd be pained at how

(24:31):
stupid I could be, And he pushes them into a classroom.
And then we're in the school classroom and Frankie tells
Sean and Corey you ratted me out and Joey, and
as Joey used to say, live by the rat, Die by.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
The rat, he does a very cute little impression by
the ract die bidies so cute.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Corey asks what that means, and Frankie says, why don't
we ask him? Oh wait, we cannot. My one and
only friend, Joey has been suspended. I walk alone in
this world except for the grilled cheese sandwich in my pocket.
Famous quote alert, Isn't that the the quote Ethan told us?
People come up and quote to him all the time,
and he likes it and he didn't really remember.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
The context of it. I think that's the one people
always say to him.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
It's a really funny one.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
It is funny.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
This whole scene, though, kind of bumped me in that
it's like a repeat of the other episode where he
did this touch in the cafeteria.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
For the post Yeah, for the when he loves somebody.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Almost down to the lines where I'm like doing the
what wo thing? Like almost it's it's the same beat,
and which is fine, Like obviously it's a repeating but
why why don't we acknowledge it? Like I feel like
we act like we've never had any relationship or connection
with Frankie. But the truth is, at this point we've
had so many interactions. It's like it wouldn't be that

(25:43):
hard for us to be like, we know you're a
sensitive guy, likes poetry, and we've been a poetry readings
with him, Like why are we acting like we have
no idea who he is? Besides, you know, it's weird.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
It's like, yeah, that is, You're right that they're they're
they kind of I think they when they love something,
they want to find a way to read do it
with a new spin on it because they loved it
and it worked well. So they loved the dynamic of
Ethan with the two of you, so they were like,
how do we do that? Well, we can't have Ethan
go to the boys again and say would you guys
be my new friends, because that's kind of what he

(26:13):
did he asked for your advice the first time. So
in this one, you guys are offering yourselves to him.
But we're going to just forget that we know anything
about each other. So you know, when you binge a
show like we are, we're realizing how many things get regurgitated. Yep,
But I think when you're watching it a week at
a time, within a long break in the summer, people

(26:34):
may not even remember that that ever.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Even in fact, it's like it's beholden on the writers
to declare, like to re re establish who characters are everyone. Yeah,
you know what I mean. Like, in other words, if
Ethan were if we were too friendly and relaxed with
him too early in this episode, there'd be no story, right,
So you have to like make it more extreme, which
just makes everything more cartoony and less realistic.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yes's yeah, yeah, So Frankie raises his fist, asking who
dies first, and Corey says, whoa, whoa, Frankie.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
What I'm getting here is that friendship is very important
to you. So how about this? You let us live.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
You got two new friends, and just like writer said,
he turns to Corey in surprise and says who Corey
tells him us.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Think about it.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
We can hang out, go to movies, ballgames, whatever. Frankie,
now interested, asks if they could go to poetry readings,
and Corey says, we're there. Sean turns to him and says,
I hate poetry. Corey reassured that if their friend this.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Is like the defining characteristic of Sean within that yet
a year, I already wrote poems. Remember, we're like we
discovered that that was established earlier. I mean there.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
Was FROs and all that kind I mean, it's like,
obviously you've got that kind of poetic soul.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Why and like like we're surprised that he likes poetry.
We've sweeped into a poetry reading with him. I know
this was throwing this was throwing Sean under the bus.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, it was throwing Sean under the bus. Just making
Sean a bit of a you know, uh dumb dumb
a dumb dumb here and the liver joke is really weird.
I thought it was very funny that it's I.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
I just like that it's something that couldn't sound anything
less like poetry reading. Sean turns to Frankie and says, oh, poetry,
How you said liver?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Cory asks what do you say? Frankie?

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Friends, and he sticks out his hand to shake on it.
Frankie asks him if this is a sincere effort and
not just a phony move to avoid agonizing pain and suffering.
Sean and Corey say it's sincere, absolutely heartfelt. So this
is where he says, the agonizing pain and suffering. This
is one of those moments where I was like, you
want everyone to see you as something more than this bully.

(28:39):
But in both of the times, like in this time,
he's the only reason they're agreeing to be his friend
is because he's threatening to kill agonizing, Yeah, I'm going
to beat you, and then they say okay, let's be friends.
And then later in the hallway too, he says when
you get on, and then he goes, are you doing
this just to avoid agonizing pain and suffering? It's like,
so you are still you're not actually trying to turn

(29:01):
over a new leave.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
No, this is also all right.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
After he helds up his fist and says, which one
of you dies first? Right, So it's like, yeah, you're
he's a bully.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
I mean, Frankie starts to cheer up and tells them
it makes him very happy. He grabs them and pulls
them into a hug. Shawn and Corey yell out in
pain as Frankie grabs tighter, and Corey says, we never
do anything right, and then we're in Turner's apartment the
phone rings.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Well, lay this scene, there's this there was this look
in my eyes like like like I'm I'm, I'm like
I feel sorry for him, Like there's this really intense
it was. It was like, wow, Sean is like pitying
and then also kind of like worried that he's it's
it's it's it was like and it's almost like Sean

(29:45):
is not sure yet if how do I put this?
I almost feel like like like Sean is is thinking
that he might be joking the whole time, like that
Frankie at any point is going to be like no, no, no,
I'm really not you of like, and it's it adds
like this level of tension. I was like, Oh, that's
that's funny. But I also don't know if I was

(30:05):
planning it or if I just was actually sitting there, going,
what is Ethan gonna do?

Speaker 2 (30:11):
The scene in the classroom, I mean, yeah, in this scene, like.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
If you look at the way I'm looking at him,
it's like I am so weirded out, like it's almost
like I'm pitying him. But then I'm also like, is
this gonna work? Is this gonna And it's so real,
Like I was watching I was like, I like, did
I not know what Ethan was going to say or
do from moment to moment? Like it's it's really intense
and it's funny. No, I think something was going on.

(30:35):
I think either like Even was, because Even was a
very intense actor, Like I feel like he might have
been changing up the performance on the night of the
show or like been messing with us in some way
to get that look out of me because it is intense,
and I'm like, that's not me acting. That is me
like actually not sure what's going to happen next, or
maybe I was just trying not to laugh, which we

(30:56):
know good.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yes, well, and later in the cafeteria you fully break.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, and I thought it was in Turner's apartment I broke,
But whenever.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
I breaks, all the I mean maybe you also broke
in Turner's apartment. But with with Joey you fully break
and it's great. I'm sorry, not Joey with Ethan, with yeah,
with Frankie. As he leaves and says, I have I
have to go and have time to reflect, and you
just talk through your laughing, and it's it's it's just unbelievable.

(31:26):
So we're in Turner's apartment. The phone rings. It's right
next to a CD tower. Do you guys remember CD towers?

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Of course? Of course.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Oh I still have a well that's not surprising.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, I just I have them all. They're all upstairs. Yes,
thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
As Turner cooks in the kitchen, Sean and Eli are nearby,
sitting on the couch. Eli walks over to the ringing
phone and asks Turner, are you going to get that?
Turner looks up and says no. Sean responds, you think
it's her again. The machine beeps and a woman's voice
says hi, it's me again, Sean says, and we have
an answer. The voicemail continues and the woman says, John,
I'm not saying you're a void me. Maybe you're standing
right in front of the phone and doing that thing

(32:02):
with your hand covering your mouth. Turner moves his hand immediately,
and Ei tells him she always did give him the willies.
The voicemail continues, Anyway, I'm in town until Sunday. I
just think we owe it to each other to sit
down and talk. Everyone's silent, and Sean says, man gets
a call. Lots of calls from remember very attractively.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
The only part of the entire episode I remember is
writer doing this, writer doing the manner table read or
from the show.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
I remember the dude payoff. Remember this episode with Indian.
He loved this.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
By I remembered this whole thing, Remember this entire thing.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, this is all very funny, and I love that
you call yourself his little buddy Sean.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
He doesn't say a word of it to his little buddy, Sean.
Huh interesting. Turner looks at him and says, there's nothing
to tell. Sean responds responds with man gets all squirrely.
Every time this girl calls makes a guy think man's
keeping secrets from him. Turner tells Sean to stop what
the whole man thing, and Sean says, man seems.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
A little irritated lately. Turner says, it's no big deal.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
It's a girl he dated a long time ago, and
it's own over, and then looking at Sean, he says,
don't you dare start the next sentence with man.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Sean responds with, dude's got a problem with the word
many very right.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Yeah, there were several times in this scene where it was,
especially with you writer, you were completely out of focus.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Really, yes, it was just bizarre. It was like, oh,
that's jarring. It was just all it was whoever is
doing your coverage?

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Especially right who was on camera X? They were just.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Really out of focus.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
It was it was weird.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
It was weird. I thought he was I thought Ray
was a But do.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
We really remember our camera? I saw them.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
We would know them in a heart, heavy, heavy smoker.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Brian mackenzie was one of our camera coordinators and he's
now my associate director on two different shows I directed. Yeah,
he's great. He's a director too. He's fantastic. He was
nominated for an Emmy with me last year.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
So yeah, we still see each other all the time.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
So as Turners chopping stops chopping his vegetables, Eli encouraged
Turner to share something with Sean, and Turner says, okay,
you know those three little words that are very difficult
to say to a woman unless you really mean them,
And Sean asks, is father home?

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Father is?

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Turner says no, Sean, I love you. Sean smiles at
him and says, oh, you're just a little vulnerable right now.
Turner says, man needs to take a little walk and
he leaves. I love him, turning that on you. Sean,
now alone with Eli, asks who this girl is and
Eli says, you ever hear of the one that got away?
Eli tells Sean she left him, but he thinks John's
the one that got away. Sean asks away from what?

(34:46):
And Eli says you know everything about John right. Sean
laughs and says, are you kidding me? I live with
the guy. I'm his little buddy. We have no secrets.
Eli says, so you know his parents are real rich
and Sean's surprised.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
And says he has parents rich? Is this is brilliant.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
This is a great scene. I see.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
I loved this scene, and I guess it was a
bummer to me that that Sean wasn't involved in the
rest of the storyline, like I wanted aunt Eli for
that matter, like the fact that it just kind of
becomes a Turner in a new character of the week.
Who's fine, but it's it just like it doesn't really
And I also was waiting for the fact that Turner

(35:22):
comes from money to affect Sean in some like real way,
like right, because that's a really interesting and version of
Sean's character, right, Like Seawn comes from nothing and is
now in this situation. If Turner came from a lot
of money and is in this situation like that, that's
so cool. But it doesn't. I mean, besides, there was
a couple jokes of Sean you know, Oh, I guess

(35:43):
we're just gonna be poor forever whatever, like that's funny.
But like, I don't know, like this was such a
cool dynamic.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
I want to I know, maybe it does in future episodes.
I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yeah, but it is one of those things, like Will said,
there there are a lot of characters in this and
a lot of storylines and we have very little time,
so I think.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
They just you know, it's one of those things, like
the rioting staff, I think would intentionally pull away from
our main storylines with the little you know, these sort
of like one offs of like let's do a bully storyline,
you know, because I had the Harley last season, that
whole Harley with his girlfriend episode kind of out of nowhere,
and then and and and always. Corey gets completely lost

(36:24):
in these situations, right like where is boy break up? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (36:30):
Yeah, this is another one of those standalone episodes though,
where if you were to turn on the show and
you'd never seen it before, you would have no idea
that Ben was the start.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
So it's that's where Yeah, this was one of those.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
And this was also, I mean one of those weeks
where you could tell I did the tag and I
did that first scene in the hallway, but I think
we probably pre shot the tag.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Maybe I was not.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
I'm sure we did that one scene and I was out,
so yeah, I didn't see. Yeah, we were gone by
eight fifteen.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yeah, so Eli explains all John had to do was
stay in the family business, and he would have been
set for the rest of his life. Sean, taking a
glimpse at their apartment, says, clearly he chose a different route.
Eli continues, Yeah, but before he chose this route, he
had a girlfriend, Melanie, and Melanie's family grew up in
a big, old house too, so everyone figured they'd get
married and have rich little kids.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Sean asks why they are skipping.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
You're you're not going to give any shout out to
where he's actually from. I get, I get you know
snap about this?

Speaker 5 (37:27):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (37:27):
What I get your snap? I don't know what it is?
What is it? What's when?

Speaker 1 (37:30):
You might still be the part of what is the
term that I want to say about it?

Speaker 3 (37:36):
But he can't say that.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
About being from Connecticut. We find out Jonathan Turner's from Connecticut,
and you're going to blow right past it like most
people are driving through Connecticut.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
So it just wow, he's from Connecticut, My.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Boy from Connecticut. You're right, You're right.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
You should shout out to the Nutmeg state.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
There we go.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
So Sean asks why they didn't, and Eli tells him
Jonathan wanted his own life, which caused disagreements between him
and Melanie. You understand, Sean questions that he gave up
the good life and all that money to be a
school teacher and teach kids like him. Eli laughs and asks,
so what do you think of your roommate now, And
Sean mutters that is one sad, twisted man. And then
we're in the Matthew's backyard. Corey and Frankie are walking

(38:26):
home and right into the backyard sideyard, Frankie tells Corey
he had a wonderful day in school today.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
He thinks he's going to.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Be like being a regular guy and having regular friends
like him. Corey says, that's really great, Frankie, so thanks
for walking me home. Frankie says, you're welcome, and he
just blindly walks in the door and goes inside the
hat and we're in Matthew's kitchen.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
So funny.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Amy's in the kitchen and Frankie says, hello, missus Matthews.
Is it okay if Corey sleeps over at my house
this Friday night? And I do think there is nothing
cuter than seeing Ethan ask permission in the house for
his friend to spend the night.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
There's just something.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
So Ethan was in the house and we were like,
whoa Ethan was in the living room? It was such
a good deal. It never happened, but it happened.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
It happened, happened a few times.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Apparently, uh Corey runs up behind Frankie shaking his head
and telling his mom to say no. Amy tells Frankie Sure.
Corey says he needs to talk to his mom real
quick and asks, or what part of this didn't he understand?
Didn't she understand? And I guess we're just supposed to
assume that Frankie's walked out. We didn't ever go to
a master where we could see him walk out into.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
The living room left.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
I think he's supposed to have left, but not seeing it,
it was a little jarring to see him just loudly
did he go?

Speaker 5 (39:35):
He went to the living room, living room, because then
he comes back in with Eric, So I was gonna say,
I do I did actually stay here longer than I thought. Oh.
And the other thing is we need to start making
little check marks by certain jokes, because.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
I think that this what part of this, don't you?

Speaker 5 (39:49):
I think that comes back and I don't know if
it's another character that does it, but this was kind
of ringing in my ears that this is a reoccurring
joke that happens more often on the show.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
We'll see so Amy asks Cory what's going on, and
Corey says, it's Frankie.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Suddenly, the guy's like my new best friend. He's not
leaving me alone.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Amy tells Corey that he may be lonely, he just
needs people to hang with. Corey says he doesn't need friends.
He's Frankie the enforcer. Amy tells him everybody needs friend
needs friends. Deep down inside, He's probably has some good
qualities and Corey should try to find them. Corey tells
her Frankie's a thug. He scares people. He's made Corey's
life miserable ever since his first day at John Adams,
and Amy questions that sweet polite boy. She motions behind

(40:26):
Corey and we see Eric with his arm around Frankie
walking into the kitchen. Eric says, oh, yeah, Corey loves sleepovers,
you know. In fact, with Monday being a holiday, why
don't you keep him all weekend. Frankie asks if he
can do that, and Eric tells him, you wouldn't be
a friend if you didn't. Corey, of course, looks panicked
as Eric pulls Corey in for a hug and says, right,
little bro. So then we're back in Turner's apartment. Sean

(40:48):
is walking down the stairs and Turner appears from his room,
patting coloone on his neck.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
It's kind of bitwa it is, but this is the start.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
I had two sweaters in this episode, was the first,
and so that's how I knew that Sarah mark Witz
by this point was also dressing me.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Right, because I was like, I was so happy with
your clothes. You were like, can you get two of
these please for me?

Speaker 5 (41:12):
That black sweater with the red stripe, and then in
the next scene that green sweater that Ben's wearing with
the diamonds.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah, I had that until the argyle.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
Four months ago, and so insisted I throw it out
because it was so had so many holes from moths.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
She's like, this has to go.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
So I would put it on over a white shirt
and you would just see my white shirt all the
way through it.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
So it's been for twenty some odd years. Yeah. I
literally just got rid of that a couple months ago.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Oh that's so funny.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Sean says, whoa, You've been doing some heavy cleaning today
as he fans the air, but he follows it up
with oops, that's your cologne. Turn Her fake laughs and
responds with oops, you've got no place to live?

Speaker 2 (41:49):
A little harsh, pretty quick escalations.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Okay, he and the kid who's been kicked out of
every home and abandoned my parents.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, make any jokes, kid. Sean asks Turner if he
called Melanie and if they're all going to move into
a big house in Connecticut.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Turner realizes he's been talking to Eli. Turner clarifies that's
only who she thought I was, Sean. That's not who
I am, and Sean asks, why do you think she
called you? Turner says, she just wants to find out
how he turned out, how unhappy he is, how she
made the right choice and he made the wrong one.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
The doorbell buzzes, and Turner says, get.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Ready, Sean, You're about to meet Melanie Clifton, the richest
girl in Westport, Connecticut.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
West real place.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Westport is a real place, and Westport has lots of money. Yep.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Okay, So she's going to walk through that door with
a big fur coat, jewelry. She's going to take one
look around this apartment and criticize my lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Then she's going to go on back and Money door opens.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
She's got a leather jacket off.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
Email surprised he didn't hear the motorcycle roll up outside.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
You know they debated it, you know, they talked about it,
and its too much. They too much.

Speaker 7 (43:06):
They Hey, Matthew, Hey, how you doing you doing?

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Read?

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Then? Why does he have a New York accent?

Speaker 5 (43:21):
We'll never find there's just the New York accents for
in Philly.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
But he's definitely like he came in with a fake
New York accent.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
And it's like, especially when you're from Westport, trust me,
if you have any accent, you know, it's like.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
So when Turner opens the door, Melanie appears, She's wearing
very normal clothing.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
She says it's been way too long, and Turner is
in shock. She even says his apartment is a nice place,
reminds her of her own apartment. She she sees Sean
and says, Hi, you must be Sean. Sean sticks his
hand out to shake hers and says, Hi, you must
be Money Melanie, and she smiles, and Turner is still shook.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
I have to say something so he's because he's such
a good friend of mine, I think I can I
can say this, his reaction when she walks in is
the first false beat I've seen from Tony since.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
What do you mean make fake surprise?

Speaker 5 (44:17):
It was the first one where I was like, oh that,
like he just it just wasn't on his face. And
it's the only time I've seen it in that the
so long he's been on the show. The only time
I've seen I was like, oh that. There was one
quick moment of Tony where I was like, that.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Wasn't that wasn't perfect. Oh my god, it wasn't ming
so so funny.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
It's so not him, you know when I when you
see those moments for any of us, it always makes
me wonder what the notes were we were getting about
about whether or not they wanted a bigger reaction from Tony.
You know, it was like, yeah, get bigger, bigger, yeah,
because remember remember how every now and then we would
get those notes of like I need to I need

(44:55):
to see it more, open the door and it should
be a whoo, and you're like, it feels very false.
But this, for some reason in that week or in
that moment, they didn't want any sort of subtlety. So
how much of a note he was getting of like
and really play up the shop, big, big, big ye.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
I easily could have been that. It was so funny,
so funny.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
So then we're in Chubby's. Corey walks in and Sean
asks if he's alone. Corey says no, he tried to
get away on his bike, but Frankie jog behind him
the entire way. Pound for pound, he's the fastest man
on earth. Frankie jogs in and thanks Corey for their
little workout. He excuses himself to go replenish fluids. Sean
says to Corey, the guy invited me to his house
for a slumber party, and in a very funny beat,
Corey says, oh, you're gonna be there too, Yes, yes, correct.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Ben's performance in that moment, Oh my god, it's so.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yes, you're gonna be there too. Yes, this is the best.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
And you know Ben loved that joke. You can tell
that he was just like, yes, into it, Yes.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
So funny.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Sean tells him he's not helping. Gory says, my mom
told me everyone has good qualities. Sean laughs and says,
Frankie doesn't have any good qualities.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
He's a thug.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Cory says, well, now he's our thug. Let's just find
the good. Frankie walks back toward them, and all the
kids and Chubbies run away when they see him. Sean
asks Cory, how is Frankie good? Wherever he goes? People scatter.
A very small boy walks up to Frankie to hand
him as burger and says, from your humble servant, turkey,
I hope that's not a problem.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
And why are there all these kids? So it was
just that gang at the end. So because I was like,
we would never have a like under eighteen unless it's
like a big thing. And then of course he is
a big thing.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
It's a big thing.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
All of a sudden, everyone at Chubby's. It was ten
and under night at Chubby's exactly, and why I.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Didn't understand it. I was like, why isn't this taking
place in the cafeteria. It makes a lot more sense.
And then of course the next scene or two scenes later,
we are in the so they just had to like
diversify locations. But it really doesn't make much sense that
there's all these kids.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
Just met children everywhere. It looked like it was like
take your kid to work week at born.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
So Frankie goes to sit down at the nearest table
and everyone gets up and runs away to let him
have it.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Corey admits they bow down to him like he's the
king of the school. Sean smiles as he figures it out.
He and Corey have found the good. Corey says, let
us be sure. Corey yells to everyone in Chubby's if
anyone needs me or Sean, We'll be sitting right here
with our new best friends.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Stanky Stankyanky.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
You ever met stanky Stinky? Oh my god, I love
that stankyin family. Yeah, you know, don't mess with you.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Just call me, thank you.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
This is where I was just like, I just you know,
it's one thing to not acknowledge that we don't remember
that he is this poetry loving, sensitive person, which we've
known since the moment we write, but then we don't
remember he's a bully?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
What bully? You just don't remember how that helps you?

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Which is like like what we like? I don't know
is I was like, what it? No, none of this
is all false on such a I don't know. I
guess it's cute whatever, fine, who.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Can no, I know I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
It's trying to be heartful, and the fact that at
lands somewhere with a message that I do like, which is,
don't judge a book by its cover, you know, like
people are more than just what they seem to be.
It could have been a way to say that and
do that without having to go this far, you know,
to me, it was just like so forced on our
on our character, you know, like our assessment of his
character is just okay, yeah, predictable.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
So Sean smiles as he walks over to the table, saying, Frankie, buddy,
where you've been all our lives? Frankie shrugs and says around.
Does Corey and Sean sit down to join him? And
then we are at a new restaurant exterior very fancy, fancy, fancy, Yeah,
just like it. Turner admits this is a different look

(48:54):
for Melanie. Jeans and a T shirt.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
He asks, if Daddy cut off the credit cards again,
little John settle down, just no reason to.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Come in so hot?

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Well she broke up with him.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Yeah, I guess, Melanie corrects him and says she has
her own credit cards now, she started her own little business.
Turner says, so you just dressed this way to make
me feel comfortable. Melanie says, no, this is what she
wears to make herself comfortable. This is what she wears
to work. She started her own little bookstore. Turner is
shocked as he says, so you don't work for your
father anymore? She says no, not for a few years now.

(49:26):
John touches his heart like feigning shock again. John settle down.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
We don't know the whole backstory, Danielle.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
This this person could have really hurt him, and now
he's in the driver's seat.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
So it's like, I'm sure she did, but.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
This scene is just it's not it's it's just not it.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
It doesn't have it.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
The things the thing that bothered me the most was
how cheap the wine looked that they ordered.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
I mean it was like.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
It's red drink in the next scene, the.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Which I was like, oh, the return of the red drink,
because I actually had the thought just yesterday I was going,
know that I haven't been eating as much on this show,
Like I was like, finally Sean stopped eating like seasons.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Now you get regular meals, right, yeah it's at home, Yeah,
at home, you get regular meals with We used to.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
On Girl Meets World. I had the line about when
Shawn shows up on Girlmy's World. I had the line like,
I don't get a lot of home cooked meals. I
remember this and that Sabrina just thought it was the
funniest thing in the world. So like that's still something
Sabrina and I say to each other. I don't get
a lot of It's like the puppy dog home cooked
me Anyway, I guess you're right, But yeah, see here
I am in this episode. I was drinking the red drink.

(50:36):
But no, my problem with this scene is she's a
very good actress, so I feel bad because it's not
her fault. But this is the most expositional dialogue and
like this is like that classic thing of like we
don't have enough time, so let's just have characters talk
about themselves basically in third person, like yeh, here's the
way I feel about my life and what I went
through from stage this to this stage and now I

(50:57):
found myself and I'm this and now I feel that
it's a bone mine.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
It is just to get you to all this scene
is is to get you to wait a second. I
need to see Frankie for who he isn't because a
person is who they are.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
So that's what you're learning.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
Jonathan's learning that she didn't he didn't see her for
what's and that's bothted b It's like I got it,
but it just was not done well it's not.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
And then the fact that it's that I have the
realization of the episode, yes, and then Corey piggybacks onto
my realization and the weirdest way. So it's like the
thematics and like the character arcs are completely out of
wrack and they're not tracking, and so it's a weird like, yeah,
I wish that she has just been more of a
yeah yeah, but like this scenems like is trying to

(51:42):
be heartfelt and trying to develop Turner and it's a
bummer that it's just it's telling, not showing, right, that's
the writing rule. It's like you show, don't tell, and
instead these are characters just telling at each other what
their characters are like, which is a trap that I
feel Boy Mets World falls into. It's a bummer, you
know it is.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
It's it is because we don't have enough time. I
wrote at the end of the scene.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
This is a perfect representation of how only TV characters
talk never do this, would never This is not a
realistic conversation between two people who are seeing each other
for the first time.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
In a long time.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
So much backstory, but you have to.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Get out everything in probably what a two minute scene.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
You have to have meals like this all the time.
We still this is still conversation between.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
What are you wearing? Are you just wearing that to
make me comfortable?

Speaker 2 (52:26):
You know it's not.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
I have my own life past interactions with each other.
Will is that when you first asked me to marry you,
I was, and now I've this type of person.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
That's the things these things about Jesus, Like okay, that's
how people from Connecticut talk from Westport.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah. But basically we find out she's no longer a
rich kid.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
She went out and found her own life because John
went out and found his own life, and that's ultimately
why she ended up being upset with him when he
went and found his own life.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
She says, So, I guess the reason I called on
I wanted.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Him for a second, like like I like why did
and her give up money? Like why not like go
into teaching and use money for good? Like why not?

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Like do you know, why do you want.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
To be poor to be a better person? Like both of.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Them, the idea is that the idea is that his
parents cut him off, Yes, because in the family business,
because he wouldn't go into the family business.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Which is what we didn't ever talk about it. Yeah,
we don't building.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, we don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
What it was kind of important, right, like like if
it's something really like what if the family business is
great for the world.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
Like, yeah, my guess is it's something it's something that
wouldn't be considered altruistic.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
It's it's you know.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
Pharmaceutical capitalist, capitalist, their their venture capitalist, whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
And he's like, no, I want to go and help people.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
Well, if you don't mean, miss John, we're cutting you off,
and so I don't care. I'm getting on my very
expensive motorcycle that you probably bought me anyway and leaving.
And I think that's probably what happened. So yeah, I
think that's what they were.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
They're eluding to her own bookstore.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
She saw John that she was when he left her
and left the life because he wanted his own life.
What she realized was that deep down she knew that
was now going to force her to do the same thing.
And she knew that that was going to be hard,
and so but she did it, and now here she
is and she's come through the other side of it,
and she just now wants.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Him to think of a leather dish. I mean, they're
meant to be guys.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
On it's leather.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
You don't know if you're wealthy. So then Seohn lifts
up his wineglasses and says, you still have that beamer
And she says, hey, a girl's got to get around,
you know, real quickly. Yeah, red drink.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Hey you still got that? Oh I've got coolie, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Exactly, so yeah, yeah. Then we're in the cafeteria. Corey, Frankie,
and Sean are walking into the lunch room. As Cory says, ah,
the lunchtime rush, nowhere to sit. Sewan chimes in asking
what shall they do? Frankie, everyone at the table runs away,
and Corey says, well, look a convenient opening.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Again. This is where we see these kids are very
very young.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
We at one point had forty five year old background
actors as in the cafeteria, and now we have nine
year olds.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
So they sit down at the table and Sean says, yeah,
you see that, Frankie, you hang with us. The seat's
just open. Frankie says he sees it differently. He's been
thinking about their friendships and asks what kind of friends
they are. Sean says they're best friends. Corey tells him
they value his friendship very much, and then Corey yells
out drag cleaning. Frankie questions dry cleaning, and a small boy,
the same one who served Frankie as burger at Chubby's,

(55:31):
runs up with a freshly pressed sweater and says they
got the stain out. Sean thanks him and says he's
too kind. He asks what the kid's name is, and
the kid says Robert. Sean tells him not anymore. From
now on, his name is Dances with Sweaters.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
A funny bit. I thought this funny, So I think
what happened in the writing of this episode is like
the choice for Frankie, like the voice of Frankie on
the page, is that he has no subtext, that he
just says expositional dialogue around himself. He has no filter.

(56:04):
And that's what's so funny, right, is that he's just
like I like poetry. I am also going to beat
you up. I walk alone in this world, and it's
like that declarative expositional language like voice is very funny. Yeah,
it doesn't work with Turner and Melanie right like. But
the problem is, I think they got trapped in this
idea of like you can have expositional dialogue because somebody

(56:27):
like Ethan, you know, Frankie is doing that. But it
doesn't work, like and so it's like, in a weird way,
the whole episode lost all of its subtext because I
think it was built around Frankie's voice. Yeah, because Frankie.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Is Mango from Blazing Saddles.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
I don't remember playing, so I mean.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
It's you know, it's if you go back and you
watch it, that's what that's. I think what it even
based the character on is that same kind of thing.
And you're right, it works. It's it makes things different
when it's driving the story right as opposed to it's
just another great character that's there right know when but
I see what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
It's like, now all the characters are kind of talking
like that, which you have.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
So many storylines imagine this, Imagine how long the episode
would have to be totally you know, it's so it is.
It makes it really difficult.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
But you know, I also would like to point out
that I I love that Will is now the Michael
Jacobs of this podcast, and he he points out things like, yeah,
like Daniel's.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Red Daniels from Blaze, but.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
You know who actually when you said that was the
character from Galaxy?

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Are talking to you again?

Speaker 5 (57:42):
Just what my serious for some reasons popped out of it.
I'm sorry, I do not know Daniel's red Lap. Can
you please try again?

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Even doesn't know.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
No idea what Daniel I was gonn.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
To say that there's a character, what's the character from
Gardens of the Galaxy who takes everything literally drack and
just right. It's similar to that, right, and you have
like a big guy who just declares his fumings and
you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
So Seawan's just told him his new name is of
dances with Sweaters, Dances with sweaters, which is what Harley does.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
By the way, the first time Harley meets Corey changes
his name to Baboons, So.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
It's you know, Sean.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
Harley of the Trap of like, oh this is now,
I got the enforcer next to me.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Let's see, well, no, that's not your name, changing your
nice parallels.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Yeah, yeah, good catch.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
So Robert smiles and shrugs, says he likes it. Frankie
shakes his head at Sean and Corey and he stands
up to walk away. Corey asks him where he's going,
and he says he needs to be alone to reflect,
and Sean.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Says, what's the matter with him?

Speaker 4 (59:00):
While you're just laughing, You're just you're just so desperately
trying to hold it back, but it is terrible.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
You're like, what's the matter with whom?

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Just oh my gosh. And Corey throws his arms up
in shrugs. And then I think, you guys must have
really found the way he was delivering the time to reflect,
like he must have been doing it in a way
that was really funny to you guys, Because I also
I rewatched it a few times when I saw writer breaking,
I realized when Ben turns around to ask him, where
are you going? Ben is also starting to break, of course,

(59:31):
so there was something between the three of you that
was very funny, or maybe.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Just I remember that when I said the line, and
the next scene in the in the hallway, I say dances.
I remember Ben, and I could not could not get
through that. Every time I called him dances he lost it.
So the idea of like the two of us being
bullied was clearly cracking us up.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
It's also there is nothing as contagious as the giggles
on show night. I mean, it would just sweep through
you like a blaze, and you just couldn't you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Couldn't hold it together. It was some of the.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
Hardest laughing I've ever done in my entire life. Will
always be when you're breaking on a set. It's just
it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
It's all the nervous energy and it's all the excitement.
But then it's also the sense of community underneath, you know,
like the performance that you're doing, you're like aware of
each other as actors and friends. So you're sitting there
like if you have any in jokes or anything between
the two of you, that's it. And then it's just
like you and you have to you know you shouldn't,
but you you. Also it's so funny to act.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Remember I remember there being an added element when you
were doing things like a promo, Like remember those holiday
promos where we'd all have to stand around behind the
house and we'd be like from our family, yours may Christmas,
and we'd all have to say it at the same time,
and somebody would be like, somebody would have a weird
voice or would be a little bit late, and then
you start giggling about that. And the added element with

(01:00:52):
that is the fact that deep down this feels so ridiculous,
but it's very pressurized because you of you're cramming having
to do this additional promo into what would be your
normal workday, so now there's less time for everything else, and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
We have to get this promo, and so deep down
your lilts.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
We've got this very serious Merry Christmas message. It's like
and now you're just laughing because also like I can't
believe we're making such a big deal about this, and like, oh,
you're right, we definitely shouldn't be having any fun while
we're telling people Marry Christmas, and we should definitely look
like we're the hostage lay with it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
Too, because they, like you said, like everyone you hear
Marry Christmas, and then you just hear what Personsthmus like
after everybody else, It's like, okay, now you're doing that
on purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
It was exactly so much fun. Good times. Sullivan We're
in the school hallway.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Frankie goes up to the bench where students are sitting down.
He asks if he can join them. They don't answer,
They just run away. Frankie looks discouraged and walks in
circles with his head down. And here is where again,
I was like, right, but why would you ever expect
anything else just because suddenly you like, could I join you?
These people are supposed to who are normally terrified of
you are supposed to think, Oh, he must mean he.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Wants to actually hang out with us like a friend.
But okay, this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Lack of Joey really right? I mean, he misses Joey
and that seems to be like what he should be expressed,
Oh I miss my friend.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
But it could also be his self realization of Wow,
I've done this to myself because I'm a bully.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
No one wants to be with me, No one wants
to sit with me. No, that's not what happens at all.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
It's not what happened. People start taking stop taking advantage
of me. And I wanted to be like, sir, there's
a little bit of owners ownership here you have to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Take You've been a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Yeah, you you you shouldn't have children. Yeah. If he
said to those kids.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
I really miss my friend, could I sit with you guys,
and they still all ran away. I could see him
feeling like, no one will give me a chance. But
throughout this whole episode, he hasn't been trying to turn
over a new leave. He's actually still been a massive bully.
So there was a little bit of that element missing.
That's what I was getting this episode.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
I don't know, because that's what I was so hoping
was gonna happen in the Feene episode Phoene scene, this
scene now, because I so wanted to love this scene,
and I thought it was going to be Bill being
mister Feenie in that. Hey, I'm gonna give you some advice,
but you also need to take ownership of who you
are and who you've been.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Yeah, and you can make choices.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
Yes, and some of the choices you've made so far
have been terrible. And why do you think people look
at you this way? But it wasn't that at all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
No, it becomes Corey and Shawn's realization.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Right, and it's we've all everybody's been looking at Frankie
the wrong way. Not wait, you've cultivated this reputation of
being a bad guy. You need to change who you
are and accept that, and none of that happened. So
it was a little strange for me. I so is
hoping because I love the scene between the two of
them as actors, right, I just wish it hit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
More of what I was hoping.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Which is funny because the Harley episode, what it did
turn on Harley's realization about like the way his romantic
life was and he needed to change. So there's precedent
for you know, giving the episode to Ethan, you know,
and letting his character grow in a way. Yep, Yeah, yeah.
I think this episode just it feels off in that
it probably should have just been a farce. It probably

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shouldn't have taken itself so seriously by the end, because
that's where I'm kind of like.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
What or they should have just leaned fully into the
idea of Frankie saying I am alone in this world.
I will forge a new path and lean into him
him doing making every a real valiant effort to show
other sides of him, and no matter what he shows,
people still keep closing doors in his face and him saying,

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will I ever have a chance to be.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
Someone else trying to change, and now no one wants
me to change, and maybe I needed to change that,
but none of that was there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
When will pep, Yeah, like that I could everyone.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
Else's problem because they hadn't seen Frankie in the right light.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
And it's like, no, that's not accurate.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
Well, Feene appears and he asks, lost your way, mister Stakino.
Frankie responds metaphorically, speaking, yes, mister Feoene, I found some
new friends, as yourself suggested. Phoenie in rejects and says yes,
mister Hunter and mister Matthews, well done. Frankie says, I'm
not so sure you told me hanging out with a
better crowd would make me a better person. Yet here
I wander like the Israelites in the days of Yule Brenner.
And this is a joe clearly for the young children.

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You yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Far as to say it's a great Yule Brenner joke.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Phoenie tells him, you're over my head, mister Sikino, which
I loved.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Bill is like, I'm not following. Uh, Frankie says, I'm
still Frankie the enforcer, and Phoenie understands, Ah, so your
new friends are not what you'd hope they'd be. He
tells Phoenie it's always the same Harley, Joey, Corey, Sean.
They just see this big guy who everybody is afraid of,
and they use his power for evil. Phoene asks Frankie
why he lets them, and Frankie says, I want him
to like me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Is that so wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Phoene assures him everyone wants to be liked. Phoene wants
Frankie wants to know, even you, mister Phoenie, and Phoene
shakes his head yes, but he tells him not to
tell the students. It would only create chaos. Frankie asks
when his new friends will stop taking advantage of him,
and Phoene says, as soon as you stand up to them,
let them know how you feel. Phoene tells him that
is the test of a real friendship, and Frankie asks
what will happen to Corey and if they fail that test?

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
And he laughs and says, welcome to my life.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
So then we're back in Turner's apartment. A voicemail from
Frankie is playing for sewn on the answering machine from earlier,
we hear Sean, this is Frankie Stacchino. I feel that
you and Corey and me need to talk if we're
really going to be friends, because it occurs to me
that you do not know who I really am. Please
call me at your earliest convenience. Frankie's dad starts barking
and growling in the background, and we hear Frankie say, please, Dad,
I'm on the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
I want to know more about that household.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
So Turner and Eli walked through the door.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
As Eli is clarifying that Melanie is actually apologizing for
the way the relationship ended, Turner says, yeah, she did,
but I got to tell you, man, we had a
great time last night. Sean smiles and asks when they're
moving to Connecticut. Turner says they're not. They're staying right here.
Sewn says that's probably better. All the money would spoil him.
Then he adds, by the way, would a pillow be
too much to ask for?

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
I thought that was cute.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Turner tells them she was the most sorry that she
knew him as this rich man's kid. She never really
knew who he was or tried to know him for real.
Eli adds that they spent all that time together and
they were never really friends. Turner tells them, when you're young,
first impressions are everything. Sometimes you completely miss who someone
really is, you know. Sean looks around, realizing that he
did that to Frankie, and it looks like this hits

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you very harsh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
You got to hit that moment, beggar, No, I want
to see it on your face, begar.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
No camera zoom in, jo music swelling.

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
It's so yeah, this is just so often really because
as I wanted to, as he's punching you in the face,
you should realize that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
The insensitive man likes poetry.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Yeah, I'm not seeing you for who you are through
the blood in my eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
And then we're in this school hallway. As they meet
at the locker, Sean asks Cory what he wants. Cory
says he didn't call for this meeting. He got a
message that Sean wanted to talk. Seawan is confused. That
makes no sense. Then Robert, that little seventh grader dances
with sweaters, pops up from behind the trash can and says,
makes a lot of sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Sean says, dancing dances. Robert says, twas I who called
you both?

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
We seventh graders aren't going to take it anymore, and
no we're giving up our food or doing your errands.
Cory asks what about my dry cleaning and Robert Yell's finished.
Sean responds, yeah you and what army and Robert snaps
his fingers and all the seventh graders.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Walking attention to the background. For the rest of the
previous five scenes. They might have had an idea of
what's about to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
They were coming. They come out of the lockers around and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
The exact number that you are allowed to have with
one studio teacher right right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
So probably I was going to say I was to
say eighteen, but maybe maybe it was only twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Corey laughs and says, we're kidding.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
We love you guys. Robert questions changing your tune tune changers.
Corey tells Robert, we can work this out. Robert responds,
not so tough without your enforcer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Boys.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Frank Weird thought that this is the size we were
in first season.

Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
So I thought that the entire time, and then I
thought maybe they specific I mean, Adam was a small kid.
And it still was kind of grew up to us
be a small man. So maybe they specifically cast you know,
even smaller.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
But I know it definitely like you know, like we
talked about, I was already pretty tall. But yeah, it's
it's just like we look like.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Well, it'd be no, he looks like it would be
interesting to know how old Adam was, how much younger
Adam is than you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Because Adam was thirty two when he shot that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I would not be surprised if he was.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
But yeah, but I wouldn't be surprised if these kids
are like ten and not twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Okay, maybe, but again that's he was like sixty thirty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Now, don't we sold them six three?

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
How old are you?

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Forty three?

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Forty three? He's thirty nine, so he is four years
younger than you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
So if you were, he's twelve, I was sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
You were sixteen, Okay, so he was you were.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
You were sixteen already in season three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
No, we're ninety five, right, the end of ninety five
is when this episode aired, So I turned sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Were nineteenth? Ninety six is when it aired, So yeah,
of end of ninety five.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Yeah, you're sixteen so I was I turned sixteen. I
turned sixteen that December.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
December eleven eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Don't forget to say the Magical.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Run even repeated again eleventh eleven eleventh.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
Frankie walks into the hallway and Corey eels Frankie. Robert
turns to see him and screams to all the seventh
graders run. They start to run away when Sean yells, wait,
what are you running from? Robert says Frankie the Enforcer.
Sean corrects him, saying that's only what you think of
him as.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
No, that's not true. He is really Frankie the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Enforcer, yell at the television. Corey asks Sean what he's doing.
Sean has something to say. Sean asks, I mean, have
any of you really looked at Frankie Stacchino. Robert scoffs
and says yeah, upside down. Sean says, no, I mean
really looked at him. I bet nobody here knows that
this man has a very poetic soul. Corey smiles and says, yeah,
you know he does. And now and then of a sudden,
he just gets it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Why does Corey have this transition? It's and then he
takes over the speech speechifying, and I was like, no,
this is Sean's moment. Sean is the only one that
this makes any sense that he would have this kind
of leap, And I can see Corey just being like
but then Corey like immediately gets it, immediately understands Turner's
speech that he wasn't there for right, And but.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
It's because it's it's even weirder because it's almost like
he goes, oh, yeah, I remember that episode from season
two where we hung out with him exactly like we're
hanging out with him this week and learn the lesson
that he is multifaceted.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
Yes, I think you're supposed to remember that. He kind
of got the same speech from his mom, which is
you're not looking at him the right way, You're not
seeing enough.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
I mean tried to try the kitchen, but it was
like twenty pages ago.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
I think, yeah, I think the problem is that it's yeah,
it's it's not connected enough. So that's that's the point
is that Corey and Seawan each independently get advice from
their parental figures, right, which then pays off he and
Frankie gets his advice from Feeney to then test us.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
And test you by Then what he says next is
all that stuff you said, did you mean it? Or
once again, were you just trying to avoid an indescribable pain?
So he says it while also threatening you still, so
I'm not really sure how it was too much of
a of him standing up to you to say, listen,
I no longer want to be that person.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Stop trying to force me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
To be it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
No, Sean asks, what do you think? Frankie looks at
Corey and then back at Shawn. He smiles, I think
I want to grab a burger with my two new friends.
And then Corey says that sounds good to me. Frankie
brings them both in for a hug, and they all
start walking together. Cory says, yeah, we can get to
know each other. No punchline, just sweet little no button

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no button. Walking out Roll really feels like, well, the
three of these guys are now going to be inseparable friends.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
They're like starting a new thing. So then we're in
the Matthew's kitchen.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
Sean and Frankie are sitting at the table as Corey
comes over with what looks like Midnight Pie's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
The first thing I.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
Thought of was midnight pie in the afternoon. He says,
you know, Frankie, We're lucky to have a friend like you.
Frankie smiles and says right back at you. Sean says
he can't wait to watch Frankie's dad tonight. He asks
what time the matches, and then Frankie's dad walks in
in is full WWE wrestling costume, yelling Vader time starts barking.
Frankie looks at him and says, Pa, Paul, you don't
have to be in character all the time. His dad says, sorry, son,

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I just get so worked up when I'm defending my
belt and no one, I mean no one's gonna take
it from me, and that includes you, little man, and
he yells and points at Corey. He says to a
terrified Corey, try it, go ahead, try it. Corey says
it's too much metal for me. Really, I'd never make
it through airport security. I'm sorry, and he runs away
in fear. Amy comes down the stairs who's barking in
the kitchen. Frankie's dad walks up to her and says, I.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Am little lady. You got a problem with Vader.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
Bring it on, and I love what happens next, She
looks at him and pushes back, Oh, knock it off, Francis,
you know you don't act this way at the PTA meetings.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
So cute.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Andy lost it at that point. I think that like
the confrontation between this crazy big guy and then the
mom he was. He loved that she like you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Him, and I thought that was so funny. It's so
so funny. And I love that it isn't like you
know not.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
I love that she didn't meet him by doing the
same thing back and that that that's the big laugh
that I can do it too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
And I love also that she's like, I know the
real you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
I see you at PTA meetings, which I also love
imagining him at PTA.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Meetings school and what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
I just could be a tag to the tag. It
would be a PTA.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Meeting correctly, great, right, you're right? And he francis sitting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
There with like little classes going okay, so who's next
on the agenda?

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
What's uh?

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
So?

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Eric walks into the kitchen and says, so, Frankie, word
around the halls is you've gone softy and not seeing
the giants.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
That's what this is one of those so between yeah,
Cory doing this, like, what a part of this? Do
you not spin like this? I was like, oh, we
need some visual, some eyelines work.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Yeah, it doesn't quite make sense. I always like to
think Eric is laser focused. He's known for us focused.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
Corey tells Eric to leave him alone, and Eric says,
after all he's done to me over the years, give me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
One good reason.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Frankie's dad grabs Eric and says, I'm going to give
you three as he chokes Eric and lifts his body
up over his head to sling him around his shoulder.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Eric yells, somebody get him a bone.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
And I could totally see in one of the close
ups Vader how he was all oiled up yep, And
I thought of you telling us that story.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
About how he's all he's always oiled click, yep guy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
And he always smells like gold bondpowder.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
He did gold bond powder, slick guy.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
And he by that point he told me, I mean
his shoulders were shot, so he's like, before we would
do any of the things, he's sitting with the rubber bands,
like warming up even just to pick me up. I mean,
this poor man was his body was broken by this point,
but even that was tough.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
But yeah it was. He did it. He did it
every time.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
Well that's the end of our episode. That's really where
I noticed too. No Rusty again. Not a single moment
of Alan Matthews. He's just gone.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Maybe it's not finals.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Maybe he's off on a fishing trip for months at
a time.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
Yeah, Morgan are traveling Europe.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Situation, grocer's convention. That's what yerks. Bring your daughter to
work month.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
Well, thank you for joining us for this episode of
Pod Meets World. Join us for our next episode, which
will be season three episode fourteen, A Kiss Is More
Than a Kiss. It originally aired January twenty sixth, nineteen
ninety six. As always, you can follow us on Instagram
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