September 16, 2025 • 58 mins
From Sabine, Ezra, Zeb & Chopper's horror movie sidequest to new roommate clashes between Kanan & Rex to Zeb saving the day thanks to Djarik lessons and of course the vampire slaying legend Sarah Michelle Gellar debuting as The Seventh Sister. All of this and more are discussed on today's episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I remember when I first saw this episode and when
Seventh Sister shows up, because I'm a big g I
Joe fan, she looked like Cobra commander. But then when
I heard Sarah's voice, I was very very surprised because
color commands like you. Then I'm like, wait, why is
Buffy Summers mending these people down?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Guys? You were listening to Potter Rebelly And this is
Taylor Gray Ezra Bridger Specter six, and we're so excited
to have you with me.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Is Oh, it's me Hi, I'm tsur Car voice of
Sabine Wren Specter five.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
And with us we also have it looks.
Speaker 6 (00:47):
Up, it's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Dula Specter two.
And I'm not sure if it should have been you,
but I.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Titanic.
Speaker 6 (00:55):
I don't know, yes, but I'm so grateful to be here,
and I'm also grateful to.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Have Hey everyone, it's John Lee Brody, your friendly neighborhood
moderator for the Potter Rebellion, and today we're going over
Star Wars Rebels season two, episode five, Always two. There
are here we go? Oh, I see I see like
some I saw that Vanessa the little headshake, little hottail.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Yeah, I mean, let's get into it.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Sarah Michelle Geller slays, there's what is happening. I mean,
her outfit, all of it, all the things plus Sabine
your hair again epic, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, we're waiting for that. Paul Mitchell sponsorship still still
doesn't come through yet, but you know, the message is out.
You know, we've put it the word out so and you.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
And Chopp are working on that computer. It is literally
like a commercial for your hair. It's just your hair
is a glow, it's highlighted. It's fabulous.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah, I appreciate that, having nothing to do with it,
but I think I may have said this on the
last episode, but man, I quickly will digress as I do.
But first of all, love, I'm sure you guys do too.
But like, nothing brings me greater joy than like seeing
Sabine cosplayers in the wild, you know, like getting to
meet Sabine cosplayers and seeing their and it's always like
(02:14):
a work of art and very personal. And you know,
people spend tons of time and energy and effort obviously
on making the creating these cosplay, you know, creating these
Sabine outfits. But man, the hair is always my favorite
part because I always love to see like which season
hair did they choose and why and how it all. Yeah,
(02:36):
it's seeing Sabine cosplayers amazing, seeing what hair they chose
and how they did it even better? Yeah, please go on.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
I mean, John, I don't know if you want to
recap or I mean I just went right in with
the serail.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You can't I get.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Canaan's wife in real life is among us? I mean,
like that's.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I'm waiting for a your reference in this last one.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
But you already said Sleigh, so now it's redundant.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
But no, no, you got it.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
But that's that's not even intentional. I can't even take
responsibility for that. That was by accident.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
But indeed, welcome, am I going on? And we could
just go right and we can just get rid of
it till we're not getting rid of it.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
We're never getting rid of it, no.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Never, Okay, here we go. Star Wars are season two,
episode five, always too. They are our original air date
October twenty eighth, twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Someone should when we finished the show, just take out
your recaps and listen as a full thing and see.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
If they understand the show. Oh, that would be amazing,
you know what, that would be so good. Literally just
your recaps of the entire show.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
That would be like binge watching like NCIS or something
like a procedural show.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Like it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That would be very interesting, amazing.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
We need to be here. We could just at the
top and z at the end. Yes, exactly, it just fluff.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, maybe at the end of each season we can
do that. We can just do like a whole super
cut and just see how that sounds. That's a fun idea.
That's all right, Yeah, all right, here we go. Here
comes the weekend. We get a glimpse of how Ghost
Crew life. Okay, let me start off. We got a
ghost of how Ghost Crew life is now that they
have a new roommate and Captain Rex. While Zed may
(04:28):
have a new Dejarag buddy, Canaan doesn't seem to be
vibing with the Clone Captain and Ezra like Steelers Wheel
in nineteen seventy two or Mister Blonde and the Reservoir
Dogs is stuck in the middle of it. As there
was no part of this Red River showdown type rivalry.
It seems to be developing between Canaan, so he joins Ze, Chopper,
and Sabine on a mission to retrieve medical supplies from
an old abandoned base. What would they find is that
(04:48):
this base isn't quite as abandoned as they think. Chopper
gets taken out by ID nine droids and Azer insa
being find themselves face to face with an inquisitor known
as the Seventh Sister. In a noble act, Ezra make
sure Sabine is able to escape while he has left
to deal with this slayer of an inquisitor alone. Oh
and to make the situation worse, the Fifth Brother inquisitor
decides to join the party too. It's up to It's
(05:08):
now up to Sabin and Zeb to save Azer. But
after a failed attempt to take down the Fifth Brother
Lean to Sabine's capture and Zeb's literally shocking encounter with
ID nine droids, things aren't looking good. But Zeb puts
his imposter syndrome side and is able to channel the
type of self efficacy that Albert Bandura will be proud
of and put to use Rex's earlier to jerk ted
talk lesson of brains over brawn to deceive the inquisitor
(05:29):
siblings and safety get Ezra, Sabine and Chopper out of
there with medical supplies in tow. Instead of Mighty Mouse,
it is zeb who has come to save the day.
Though they make it back safely to the Ghosts, it's
no time to celebrate with two inquisitors out there and
the group not knowing exactly what they're up against. The
stakes once again are raised and a plan will we
need to be formed quickly. And that's the recap for
(05:49):
season two, Episode five, Always two. There are guys, that's.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
What Rivers Showdown? What could that be? Why would I
be so delighted.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
About this powerking nonsense?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
No, it's no, well it isn't.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
It's it's the name for Texas, the TEXASO you get.
That happens every year. It's happened for like one hundred
plus years, over a century. It used to be called
the Red River Shootout, then it became the Red River Showdown.
Now it's called the Rivalry. It happens in Dallas, which
(06:29):
is equidistant between Norman, Oklahoma and Austin, Texas. And it's
a big deal, Taylor, It's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, yeah, right, John, It's a funny it's a funny
and that is yes, yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
For it's a deal in college football. It's like one
of those big rivalries, like you know, civil War. I
don't know why they call it civil war. They don't
call it that anymore. Washington, I mean Oregon State and
Oregon they even particulately.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I know.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I think it's about time that they changed their name
for a couple of reasons, one of which is that
you guys had nothing to do with it. It makes
a huge vel, no work cloth, Yeah, thank you, tex
So you Oh.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It's huge. There's so much history. There's a great thirty
for thirty special called Wishbone. I don't know if you've
seen it, but you know Texas as you know, they
started with Coach Royal started the Wishbone offense, and then
they openly shared it with oh you back in the day,
which is a crazy thing to happen. Then Barry Switzer,
you know, you look utilize it. Then Bear Bryant had
his whole run, but it all filtered back to Austin, Texas.
It's a really cool story and.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I'm with the Star Wars fans on this one.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Taylor, maybe you should watch the thirty for thirty and
then you can we can talk.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Oh, I've probably seen that one.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Taylor is the Wishbone. You will be a great Wishbone quarterback. Yeah,
you've agreeing the wish one offense.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah, thank you, John, thank you for that little present
for me. We don't have to continue talking about it,
but I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
We's it's a fun one. And I you know, I
throw It's football season, like we said a couple of
weeks ago, so just we'll throw them in whenever we can. Yeah,
thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
I just thought of something, and I don't know how
I did not mention this for the last episode, but
when Rex reunites with Ahsoka and he says, you know
you've gotten older and this and that like their reunion,
I just want to give that a shout out for
a minute, because that was also I talked about a
number of things that were satisfying to witness. That for
(08:30):
me as a Clone Wars fan, was pretty special. But
the last line of the last episode, where you know,
Canaan is saying, you know, it wasn't easy to trust Rex.
It still isn't, and she says nothing worth doing ever is,
and then we all walk as an ensemble. I mean,
that's another photo. I think we need that print as well.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I think we have that. I think I've signed that print.
I think that's one of the family family like group shots.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Yeah, when he says like thanks to these clowns, well
he doesn't say that, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
But anyway, so many words.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
But yeah, I don't know how I did not mention
that last episode because I thought that was was really lovely.
But yeah, getting back to uh, the Seventh Sister and
all the things. By the way, Savine tagging like you're
tagging is interrupted by a little imperial droid like you
go with your tagging.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I love that, Like you're on a mission. It's really important.
But hold on one side.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
She's like a little disruptor.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I love it. I love it too.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
I thought that was really sick and Chopper having his
very melodramatic scene with the way again killing it. Chopper
is doing great, you.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Guys, I feel I don't know if y'all feel this way,
or maybe you didn't need to in the first place,
but I I've always known obviously how much beloved Chopper is,
and often people' I feel like people are like Oh,
Chopper's my favorite character on the show, which I love.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Especially.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I mean that's quite something considering you can't understand anything
he's saying.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
So you we talk about that in this episode, right right, right, Yeah, yeah,
but you have sort of make inferences, and maybe that's
that's the fun, right you can just sort of apply
whatever you might say or what you think he's saying.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
But I feel like doing this rewatch, maybe I didn't
give Chopper his do or like his flowers when I
watched the first time. I'm not sure, but I'm really
like enjoying Chopper so much doing this rewatch and each
episode I'm.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Like that guy, Love that guy.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
That guy's so ornery and curmudgeonly and you know, just
he's like a riot. And now I think maybe I'm
able to better appreciate people's love for Chopper having, you know,
in doing this rewort watch. So that's that's a that's
a plus for me.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, the droids are good in this.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I liked saying, uh, threatening droids for the like droids
that did something.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
These things were gnarly.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I feel like so often they become obsollete pretty quickly
in battle in some way.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
But these things were crazy. Are they her pet droids?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
That's what I've seeing.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah, they're kind of like flotsam and jetsam in ht Urmy.
Do you guys remember Ursula as eel?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, that's grateful. I like them. I didn't think of
it like that, but that's funny. I like that if
I'm not mistaken, and JC can correct us at the
end of the show, as he always does. Those ID
nine droids, I believe are Ralph McCrory concept art of
like prodroid. So like again, it's another continuing the trend
of these Ralph McCrory uh uh designs being put into
(11:55):
the show, which I think is really cool.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Do you guys remember when we found out that the
seventh sister was going to be voiced by Sarah mm hmm.
I'm not I'm genuinely asking.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
It was.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Because I'm trying to remember, like when did we find
out who was voicing, because I don't think it was like.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
On the day came and she had left a note
on the because like with their kids, remember they were like,
well they can't both be in here at the same time,
and she had she had left a note on the
music stand for Freddy or something like a little silly
thing and then we came in.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
And I remember him holding it up or whatever. But
that that's all I remember about it.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
So did we never recorded with Sarah?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But didn't she come back? I think episode right, she's in.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
No, I think she's in more, and I think we did.
Speaker 9 (12:47):
Record with her.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I think, so, yeah, Well she's I mean, I think
it's commonly accepted that she is great always, but she's
so good in this, like she's so so good at
playing this like.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Badass hearing lady.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
I felt that it was sort of this, Okay, we
had nods to Jaws, we have nods to et. The
way she parsed out her words was very much a
nod to Darth Sidius in my view. And I don't
know if that was intentional or because you know, she's
married to you know, the sickest Encyclopedia of Star Wars details.
(13:31):
You know, Freddy is like the mastermind. But you know
when when Palpatine, you know, he says, how do I
learn this dark art? And Palpatine says, not from a Jedi,
like that's just three four words whatever, But the way
he milks that statement, it really hooks anlican soul and
(13:52):
it's like game over. I mean when she says, You're like, oh,
are you going to kill me, She's like not yet.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
It's really delicious.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, so when I.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Say slay, those are the moments that I'm thinking, like, oh,
it's such a She is an extension of Sidious, So
that tracks. Like even Sam Whitwerre and when he's on
eventually on our podcast, he'll talk about it. But you know,
having gone from the video game into playing Darth Maul,
they talked about how the Sith Lord energy moves through
(14:28):
different people and it impacts them vocally.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
So he's all making it dull in here.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Like doing all that Darth Sidious stuff versus Palpatine in
his sith character because that syth energy is moving through him.
I felt in her performance that similarly, he was almost
speaking through her in a scary way that was just
so trippy and effective and chilling.
Speaker 9 (14:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
One of the voices that we've had like an effect
on right, Like there was a I don't know if
they just doubled her, tripled.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
It or like oh yeah, and she had the helmet on.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And the help.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
But but Sabine I was thinking their helmet and I
are they doing anything to your voice when.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
She has when she has the helmet down, helmet on
and her like mouthpiece down, what does that think called? No,
there's no mouthbeast. It's a it's a I think, never mind,
don't can we cut that? Can we get that.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Out of the show?
Speaker 9 (15:25):
I cannot.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
That's our social.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
It's a sight and oh my god, don't comfort me.
Don't when she's wearing helmet. Now, when she's wearing her helmet,
my voice sounds they like do an affectation to my voice? Yeah,
but it's not nearly you know, it's like seven sisters.
Like on another level.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I got like a, I mean, I wrote my note
so the now hearing you guys say it not as much,
but I wrote holding call field. It reminded me of scene,
like it's within a situation that is set up that
is different, Like the stakes are so high they're having
this we move at such a pace in rebels that
I was like, what they're really having this conversation right now?
Like what is going on in these little like remarks
(16:17):
that it was just it was very funky that it
was different for rebels, and I enjoyed it it made
her even more creepy mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah. I felt like Richard Later was like directing this
episode exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Wait when you say Holden call Field, you mean the Seventh.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Sister, I mean that situation, like yeah, and Catcher in
the rye once he has the woman to the room
and then he's like, I don't know such kind of
want to talk and you're like in the middle of
this bubble and you're like, Okay, it's just gonna be
a conversation now, right right, And the remarks are like
off what you would think, not.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
In that world.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
It's kind of zany zany is yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So that's so cool hearing your side of it, because
that's what I was excited to hear about, was you know,
you haven't lived at firsthand. I remember when I first
saw this episode and when seven Sister shows up, I
was because I'm a big g I Joe fan. She
looked like Cobra commander with like when the visors down,
like the helmet and everything. But then when I heard
Sarah's voice, I was very very surprised because I was
(17:21):
because Covia commands like you, So that's what I thought
it was gonna sound like it's like and then I'm like, wait,
why is it Buffy Summer? Why is Buffy Summers selding
these people down? So that was my first encounter experience
with a Seventh Sister because I didn't know Freddy and
Sarah at that point, so I didn't have a personal
tie to the show. So that was that all those
(17:44):
memories came out.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
You didn't know him. How long have you known him for?
I feel like you've known him forever. That's so weird.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
We didn't officially like really meet until like twenty sixteen,
so like you guys.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Right after this, I thought you guys had known each
other since like time. That's so weird.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
It's funny how that works with certain people, you know,
it makes you believe in past existences.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Sam.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
I thought Sam wit were. I thought they knew each
other for a million years and they had only sort
of just met as well.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
That's so wild.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, I didn't have the personal tie in yet to
the show that I would eventually obviously still have to
this day. But yeah, that was my first uh with
the Seventh Sister.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Can I say this will only I don't know if
they're I'm assuming there are many friends fans that listen
to the show, me being one of them. But I
felt like Sarah coming on our show as an amazing,
very very memorable guest star being obviously married to Freddy
(18:49):
Canaan was kind of like when Brad Pitt and Jennifer
Andison were still married and they Brad Pitt comes on
the Thanksgiving episode.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, I was like, just like that, you started a
rumor I hate Rachel green Cloak.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I don't know why that just popped into my mind
because I'm like, Freddy and Sarah are like like Hollywood
power couple, and I was like, it's I don't know
what the like, what the genesis of getting her on
the show, whether Dave asked Freddy or what did they
circumvent Freddy? And did you just go straight to Sara?
(19:28):
Like what was the conversation Taylor? Do you know that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
He said that he Freddie says that David asked him
about a few people like Freddie had reached out.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Now that I think about it, though, I do. I
did know Sarah's.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Coming on, I didn't know what because I had a
dinner at their house and she I remember saying like
I'm gonna be on the show, and I was like, yeah,
that's cool.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
But then she was like, it's going to be a
bad bad guy, bad.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Girl, bad person, Batti, bad person, a baddie.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
But yeah, I went through. I mean, they would be
kind of weird.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
To not I know what, I'm just curious, like what
you know, was was there a conversation.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
And they were like can you ask him?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
I was like, yeah, sure, sure, sure, and so yeah,
me and Jason Isaac.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, I am yeah, James Jones, that was you too.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Know that.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Dated us.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
But well, I'm just curious that if if ever, like
Freddy was like oh Sarah, I don't know, like was
it a Freddy to Dave or Dave to Freddy or
how did that go? Or was it had nothing to
do with Freddy at all, because you know, she's kind
of a big deal irrespective of the fact that she
was married to Freddy.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Anyway, just curious if you knew.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I bet one of our listeners just knows the story
because maybe they heard.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Probably j C knows. I think I think it was
just uh, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Uh, Mary Elizabeth came to be on the show and
had nothing to do with Steve Sure, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
No, I don't need to Dominis like, I don't know.
I imagined that Dave was like, you know, who would
be so sick to play this seventh Sister? Yeah, Michelle
Galler And then.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, I wonder if she said the story because I
remember we did New York Comic Con with Sarah Michelle Geller,
and we did a panel and she rightfully so like
they were directing a lot of questions as to how
she got involved in I don't remember it. I'm sure
that would have come up at some point.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Somebody listening right now knows knows the answer.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And he's right there and his name is jac You
know what I've found funny is that I don't know
if this was intentional or not, but so she's the
Seventh Sister. Do you know how many seasons of Buffy
the Vampire Slayer there were seven? Seven seven?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Whoa, it's like Seventh Heaven too, And it's exactly like
some of a banger of a show.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
There's nothing like those those old WB days. There was
nothing like that was like the don ostrof Era. When
she was running the network, we had Dawson's Creek, we
had Seventh Heaven we had one Tree Hill was like
one of our last shows.
Speaker 10 (22:17):
Yeah, and they're formidable villains because I while watching this episode,
I was like, not that I don't always think it,
but I was like, how are they going to get
out of this?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
I really do not understand.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
If probably was playing a game in Star Wars, which
I think we did all the time with like superheroes,
you'd be like, well, Superman strong in this because he's
done that, and Batman can do this. With all of
our villains, I'm always sort of like, Okay, how strong
are they? Sized up to different people? And inquisitors are
very strong, and then to see like them hold a
(22:51):
ship with their powers and like, okay, obviously they're incredibly strong,
and knowing that, how are the three of us four?
But Chopper Tropper really goes through some stuff which I
also wrote down. Droids can't feel physical pain. Correct, they
can emotionally be hurt, but they can't physically be hurt.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
But do they have emotions?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I mean technically speaking it's a droid.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
No.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I mean I would say yes, because you know, he
gets he's happy, sometimes he's he's gets gruntled. Yeah, But
technically speaking, why would a droid have emotions.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
IgG, It's it's true.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Like I'm like, I first wrote like they can't even
be I wrote first droids can't be upset, but then
they can.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I was like, oh, so then they must have emotions
because Chopper's.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Surelyopper is always upset exactly, But then like they can't
feel physical paint correct, but.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Then draft and stuff like, but.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Nobody hurt a nerve.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
I agree with you. Technologically that doesn't make any sense.
But in the show, he's like, you know, he like
gets electrocuted and.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Like Trumper stands are going to be after us, But
I don't think you can. If you don't have nerves,
you shouldn't be able to. But let's ask jac has
to say.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
I wonder I mean K twos so when he gets
knocked out an and or and reconstructed, I'm sure he
didn't love being blown to bits.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Jac just when he thought it may be an easy
episode for him, he's going to have some stuff done wrapped.
So yeah, I like that you brought that up. That's like,
how are they going to get out of it? And
fittingly enough, it felt like this episode felt like a
mix of like the movie Alien and like an episode
of Buffy, you know, but it's like if they didn't
have Buffy to help him out, It's like if Willow
(24:44):
and like Faith and Dawn had their own side quest
and they had to go against Spike and Angel, like
what are they going to do against these two Golias?
And then they go head on and then this is
a nice segue into like zeb Zeb has a great
arc in this in this episode where I loved this episode,
he realizes that he is like good enough because even
(25:04):
that moment of self doubt of like what can I do?
And like and he's like, no, I can't. If I'm
gonna if I'm gonna go out, I'm i go off
trying to save my friends or say my family and
say my siblings. And I thought that was such a
great turning point for his character.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Yeah, and he's like personal growth, mister mayleu run or
whatever I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
And he's so receptive to like these lessons because Rex
tells him earlier it's like, hey, it's it's sometimes it's
brain over brawn, Like we know you're the muscle, but
know that you have a brain in there too, So
to go back to wisard of Ouz like you've had
the brain all along, and I think he needed to
understand that, Yeah, I don't have to rely on my
my my brute force, like I can outsmart people, uh
(25:48):
if I have to, and which he does in this one,
which is really cool.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, hug Yeah, absolutely. I think it's funny how he
doesn't understand Chopper like for this part of the show
and I forget that and he's like because he says
to He's like, well, you can understand him, and I
was like, sometimes not, like that doesn't.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Make any sense.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Either doesn't make me If you understand them, you understand
the whor you don't.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Right, We've talked about this on the show.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Although I mean, put me in a conversation in Spanish,
I would say I understand until I don't.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Okay, So like you speak you.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Like a little bit of drawing his throwing because I'm like,
we've had this conversation before on this show about this
very thing. And obviously you know Sabina is like a polyglot, right,
Like she goes and talks to various people from far
corners of the galaxy and she's able to speak their language.
(26:46):
Or at least understand them. And obviously Haarrah and Chopper
understand each other. But and you have figured out some
like Ezra can sort of and then Zeb's been around
for forever and he doesn't understand a thing like so
is it just like some people are but you know,
(27:06):
as in life, some people are just better at languages
than others.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
And how do they like?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
They're like they live together, they spend all their time together.
And does Kanaan understand Chop.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I don't know that.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I feel like he into It's much like I think
if Ezra it might be a Jedi thing that they
get a sense of what he's saying without knowing.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
See like I under I we like I to being
actually understands, whereas maybe Taylor, oh my gosh, sorry, maybe
Ezra and Kanan, like you said, into it what he's
saying versus actually understanding what is being said.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I'm with that.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Give me one second, you guys. I'm getting a very
strange phone call.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, I'm just prank calling your guys.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Don't worry all you listeners. Now this is what's happening.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
And her phone number is oh god.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But we can make this episode a very listen to
episode if we just dropped that.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It's like you're bringing back There was these guys on
the nineties called the Jerky Boys, and their whole thing
is remember that, yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Dogs, I will quote you that entire phone call.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I had all those cassette tapes. I used to listen
to those on like you have to quiet. I had
to secretly do because if my parents found out I
was listening.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Sure, Taylor, you've never heard Jerky Boys.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You did it when you said dr Boys. I didn't
know when you did it. I've heard all.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yes, everything good Vanessa, Yes, okay, No, you're good. You're good.
Like I said, it was just tailor. Taylor just revealed
to the list it was actually just him. It's very
much like the movie when a stranger calls except you. Yeah,
I was just nice. I want to talk a little
bit about uh so Rex and Canaan because they touched
(29:14):
on it a little bit the last episode where because
you see remember Rex's teaching as we're like, oh, this
is where you aim, this is where you do this,
and you get this one shot of Canaan a little
bit of like this jealousy factor of wait, hold on,
that's that's my pad of one, that's that's my little brother.
Don't don't take It's almost like to bring it back
to our sports that we like to talk about. It's
almost like you have these two overbearing coaches or sports
(29:37):
parents that are trying to project their almost trauma on
Ezra and correct their mistakes. That's what I really saw
on that. And and this psychologist has a lot of
I think he's controversial with some psychologists like Carl Young,
Carl Jung. He talks about the shadow thing, where your
shadows come back to creep on others because you are
projecting your past traumas onto somebody else. So it's the
(29:59):
sports p and who never made it to the NFL
is going to put pressure on their kid, Yes, the
best quarterback, Well, I I feel like no, no. So
I just feel like that's where my mind went to
when I see Rex and Kanaan, who I do think
had the best of intentions but different ways to go
about it. And then poor Azra is just stuck in
the middle of I respect both of these guys immensely,
(30:23):
but you know, you're both telling me kind of opposite things.
I thought that was a really cool complexity that they
added to the characters.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
It's also kind of funny because like a season ago,
Canaan was like so reluctant to take on a padawan
because he didn't feel that he was worthy of, you know, teaching,
teaching someone the ways of the Jedi. And here he
is like feeling jelly that someone else is.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Trying to like mentor him.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
But also he has like deep feeling no matter how
he feels about Rex specifically, now, he also has like
a lot of feelings and resentment towards clones in general, rightfully, so,
so I think there might be some element of.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
That as well.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Right it's not just somebody else teaching him, it's a clone.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Do you think that plays a part?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I think absolutely. I think.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Because his feelings towards the clones that even more so
I think anyone come in and saying anything to him,
even when we get like Mal and that aspect of it.
But then there is a thing because he's fine if
it's within the Ghost crew obviously, But yeah, I think
that dynamic is interesting. What obviously he holds on too,
(31:44):
I was gonna say generationally, but not just historically. I
also think between the two of them. I wrote this down.
This is a very five cent thought, but it's just
hilarious at the end. What the animators did with Canaan
and Rex. The amount of time times they touched their
chin is like comical, no way, and then Rex does
(32:05):
it and then and then his hands does it again
and then does it again. If you watch it, I
was like, why do they keep I get it that
they're in deep thought, but it is I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
It made me laugh.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
That's also a power dynamic too, because sometimes when you're
in conflict with some new kind of mirror what they're doing.
So they cross their arms, You cross their arms. So
it's like I maybe like that was part of it,
but yeah, I thought of Cobra Kai because there's a
when it's like you have Johnny Lawrence and and Daniel
LaRusso and then I one there's one season where LaRusso
starts teaching Johnny student and Johnny gets all jealous. He's
(32:40):
like like anybody but that guy, And I feel like
what you're talking about there with with Canaan and Rex,
it's like, yeah, if you want to learn from other people,
just anyone but the clone because because he's obviously still
got unresolved trauma that he hasn't processed, and Canaan is
almost like this canvas for their unprocessed trauma, to which
he's like, yeah, I'm out here. I'm gonna go with
you guys to get the metal supplies. I'm good. You
(33:01):
know which which I think? You know it's mirrors, you know,
a couple of things. Because one it's like you think
of Luke Skywalker who really just had to listen to
ben kenobi obi Wan Kenobe but like and but then
you have, for the most part, you had Anakin that
just said obi wan. But then Palpatine comes, like comes
to the pray. It's like not that this is that,
(33:23):
but it's like when you have two different voices telling
you two different things. In this case, the two instructors
have good intentions. It's just that's a lot for to
put on someone like Ezra, you know, because everyone it's
like everyone sees his greatness and his pretent. It's like
his potential for greatness, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
It seems like everyone does.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
That's right right now is the guy who who he's
an arch man?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Everyone's telling.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
He probably would be on face for they, But it
is like that again, my default is I go to sports.
It's like, oh, this is the this could be the
goat right here, So now everyone wants their two cents
in terms of how does he get there? Sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Something I wrote down is like it makes sense movies
are as short as they need to be, and we
need We're going to show a training scene one time
and like quick essentially that we've seen in Star Wars
that training is the Jedi and the Padawan. Do the
Padawan ever train on their own? And by that I
mean like there's something early on in the episode where
(34:30):
I came to the defense a little bit Ezra, when
Canaan's like, uh, wants him to do some training, He's like, no,
I don't really like it's not working, and he gets
upset right away because it didn't happen. But like, I
remember that feeling playing sports, playing music, even acting with
certain like if I was going through early on with
the coach or like learning different songs, and when I'm
(34:51):
doing in front of them and I'm doing exactly what
they're saying, I'm like, well, yeah, I'm not getting I'm
going to go home and I'm gonna do it myself
and learn the way that I learn, and then I'll
come to its. You can you can critique, you can
teach it, but now there's no pressure I can. Especially
if I have to do a character that is a
different voice, I like to work on that on my
own and then come forth with it rather than kind
(35:11):
of follow my face in front of someone over and over.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
It constricts you a little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
And in Star Wars I just sort of always see
I don't know when Canan's like pressure him do it
and then doesn't work and he's like, well great, I
don't want to do this anymore. I'm like, well, yeah,
because you keep pushing him to do this thing. If
he just trained on his own a little bit, I
wonder if he would be more inclined, because then we
see at the end of the episode he's like, let
me see if I can get the lightsaber back, and
he does, and it's fine because there he needs to
(35:36):
and it's to help his friends rather than to like
satisfy this dude who wants to do it on his time.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Mm hm, just like practicing practice, which you know, I agree,
like you, I grew up playing piano.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Don't ask me to play you anything.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Now, it's really sad.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
It is bad, it's really bad.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
It's embarrassing really, but you know, you go, you take
your piano lesson, but then there's so much that has
to happen if you're going to improve ever, you know,
like you have to go home and practice it. There's
muscle memory, right, not just like it's it's muscle memory,
but it's also sort of like just trying to perfect
(36:26):
your craft, and that's not going to happen only while
you have a coach coaching you or a teacher teaching you.
There has to be like follow through and taking it
home with you. So you're asking, do do pada ones
do homework?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Because we rarely see them on their own doing something.
Even I'm thinking Luke like he has destroyed with them
more like you know what I mean, there's always sort
of someone.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Else walking through it.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
But I think Vanessa m I know, well, I know,
I mean, I don't know what they're called.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
JC will know, but they're these sort of balls that
shooting you. I know Luke worked with and you know,
you put the helmet on and you have to sense
when you're going to be shot. I know those things
sometimes Obi Wan was there. But I feel like that's
something Patawan's would do on their own, is to work
with that machine to get a sense of using that
(37:17):
instinct instead of seeing anything. I know, that's kind of
a training exercise. I don't know that it happens exclusively
with a Jedi master or that's the kind of thing
you could do on your own.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
JC will know, he knows everything. I'd like to know
why all the inquisitors teeth are so fantastic.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
They got a d plan of I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
The.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
Fifth Brother his teeth or just and so was the
other inquisitor who you know, May he rest in peace.
There's just something about the dental plan on that planet
that is pretty proud.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
They're very Are you talking Jason Isaac's inquisitor.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah, that got Those things were like daggers, like little
tiny daggers.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
That's the terrifying Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Guess, uh, it's to the species. But I have JC
to comment on the dental plan anyway, just not not
as heavy or spiritually profound is what we were just discussing.
And yet I did notice a dental situation.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
For the whyss have such I mean props of them
for not having ginger btis.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
So yeah, they get people to join the empire, we
will give you dental insurance.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
There it is joint. But he kind of looks like
Fantas to me.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I agree. Yeah, but when does
Thanos look like.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I'm going to go with brother Das?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Fine?
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Well.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
I also I loved let's.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Put the pull up what people said, let's see what
people say.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
I loved that everyone got creative in this episode to
get through, like how are we going to get out
of this?
Speaker 10 (39:08):
Meaning?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
You know.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
When he says just keep your chin up, you know.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
That's a clue to look above because he's going to
be hanging from the ceiling or whatever. But that you
guys learned to communicate and that you know, as a viewer,
I of course am not in the scene, but I
was please let them know that.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Mister maylurun is Zev and like, sure enough.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
You did, but you know, it was it really did
bristle with Oh God, I pray that they work this
through and say the right things like when Sabine says, oh,
we're good, don't come, which is not what they want,
and then you give them what they want.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
That tactic I thought was interesting as well.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
I don't know, it just felt like a lot of
this built up in a way that was really captivating,
and I was curious how they were ever gonna get
through it.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
It really was constructed really well in that way.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Agreed, And I think it's it's like it's nice to
not have a clear as a viewer, to not immediately
go okay, well, obviously everything obviously everything is going to
be fine. We know this well until later until later season,
but just to the you know it not just being
(40:19):
handed to you as an audience member, to like, Okay,
this is what's going to happen. I already get it.
It's like, you know, that's that's a nice feeling to
have to be like or to get to have no
idea how this is going to shake out. Makes it
a more interesting watch for sure.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, And it's a twenty two minute episode, Like there's
so like all those layering. That's what's really cool about it.
Like it's a quick watch, but there's so much going on,
But it's really just this character expansion. You know, there's
action obviously, you know with the droids and with seven
Sister and fifth brother and they fly away, but it's
really just the character building that made this so interesting.
(40:56):
And what I'd like to see is, you know, remember
Lineking one and a half where they showed from like
Simon and Pumba's perspective. I'd like to see a full
episode of what was going on on the Ghosts while
Rex and Canaan are going Atik and Djarik as like
Harah has to be the Phil Jackson and like manage
all these egos and all these like vulnerability, because that's
really what Hara is on top of, like being the
(41:17):
leader of the ghost Crew is like, which is also
what a head coach does. A head coach has like
managed these like locker room egos. So I just feel
like that must have been a very interesting thing for
her to have to witness these two guys kind of
go at it, you know, with their vulnerability kind of
rise into the forefront, you know. Interesting thought, just saying
(41:37):
like you could do a whole like we can rush
them on the whole thing. To go back to Kurosawa,
It's just like we can get the whole other perspective
of what was going on while this is going Just
like the last episode, what if we just stayed with
Hara the whole time while she had the power down,
the ghost, everything was going on. Selos. I just think,
to me, it's like those kind of stories are interesting,
like very much like a Danny Boyle or like a
(41:57):
Richard link Leader movie. How they make the characters the play.
I think that's uh, you could do that with these
characters because they're so well thought out, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Agreed, agreed, Yeah, these are all my notes. I've I've
gone through all my notes on this one.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Well, we're on the same Google doc, Taylor. I am
actually just reading your stuff right here. You're the blue
font I know.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, exactly. I put Star Wars Chess. I think that's
called Jarik. Don't need you on that one, JC, you
don't know anything about Jarik. I need you on that one, JC,
And yeah, literally that's everything I want.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I was going to say, you're the Bobby Fisher of
like Jark, But I guess we can throw that storyline away.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
But I guess I'll have a JC question here. The
the medical facility that they found that's left over from
the Clone war, what, uh, I wonder if there's.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
Any significance to that.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
I don't I don't recall I mean, there are many
many episodes of the Clone Wars that that I watched,
and I just wonder if it did. Was it a
banger for certain people? Like, Oh, I remember that base,
Look how it's torn apart. Remember what happened there? Yeah,
I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
I don't recall that there was anything spectacular previously that
it happened.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
It wasn't necessarily a nod. There were many of them,
I assume.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
So anyway, I'm curious if JC knows if that held
some sort of significance.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
I think let's find out right now. So I think
that's a very segue to JC to talk about all
that stuff. And also you probably have some He'll probably
have some stuff to talk about with like these inquisitors. Yeah,
looking for four sensitive children or for the young four
sensitive people like Ezra. So there we go.
Speaker 9 (43:42):
Okay, let's see what do I have.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
First thing I D nine enjoyed, John, you mentioned its
reference to a McQuary concept.
Speaker 9 (43:52):
It is squat like.
Speaker 8 (43:53):
The McQuary probe droid, but the McQuary or the McQuary
did not have the like large red eye on the
macquarie color scheme and design was looked more similar to
what we actually saw on Empire Strikes Back. We talked
about Sarah Michelle Geller and why she was picked basic.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
Why well, but I just want to be clear, I
wasn't like suggesting that we found our clip. Sorry.
Speaker 8 (44:27):
Dave Filoni had said that Sarah was a huge Star
Wars fan and had a ton of passionate enthusiasm for
the franchise. That really made him excited to bring her
into the fold. And then it was easier to get
to her as well because of her husband, so their
family was kind of already in the family is kind
(44:48):
of the on the record official what they've said. Do
droids feel pain from a certain point of view, right,
what's pain?
Speaker 6 (44:58):
You know?
Speaker 8 (44:58):
They could just turn it off, right they right, they
would just shut down that system. But I think, you know,
droids are made, particularly some droids are made to emulate humans,
and we've discussed on a previous the episode. The longer
a droid goes without having his memory wipe, the more
(45:19):
human it gets, the more it learns. So I think, yes,
they feel pain, but they don't really have to feel pain.
Speaker 9 (45:26):
I don't think.
Speaker 8 (45:27):
I think it's more of like a intellectual input of
like oh, I am sensing that there is a problem here.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Less than sociopathic.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, yes, it's where AI is going to be.
Speaker 9 (45:41):
Yeah, yeah, way more sociopathic.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Liar ouch hurt exactly.
Speaker 8 (45:48):
Wow, does a Padawan train on their own? Like homework, Vanessa,
the device you were looking for, the words we're training remote?
I can't pull us specific example from my brain of like, oh,
here are Padawans on the side competing, like you know,
(46:08):
like Harry Potter people being like, well, my magic is
stronger than your magic type of things. But I'm sure
that they do. There are references to like Padawan Young
Youngling games where they compete for to find a master
(46:31):
to train them. There's also and I'm sure it's not canon,
but the Young Jedi Adventures cartoon on Disney Plus, in
which I think d Bradley Baker does the voice of
Nubs on that show who we just had on. And
then there's also a book anybody who really wants to
(46:53):
dig into this called Star Wars A Jedi Path a
Manual for Students of the Force, which is a book
that is written as kind of like a found footage
journal of a Jedi and what you have to do
to train to be a Jedi. So if you really
want to train to be a Jedi on Earth, you
can buy that book off Amazon and learn for yourself
(47:17):
and and be the first known case of a Jedi
training on his own.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, I'm actually dropping an audiobook and yeah, and sign
up for my program.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
It's a twelve week course.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I'm glad to have audible subscription. Then there we got credit.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
It's only money.
Speaker 9 (47:34):
No, it's a lot of reference. Good job.
Speaker 8 (47:40):
Inquisitor Dental, so there's Unfortunately, unlike the Celestin barbershop of
weeks past, I didn't find anything on Inquisitor Dental. But
I would say, just thinking about it, I believe inquisitors
were supposed to be kind of lesser powerful like Sith.
(48:05):
They're not people that are as strong as Darth Vader
or Count Duker, or their abilities don't match those of
like a true Sith. And also the rule of two
dictates there can only be too Sith at any one time.
So my theory is is that a true Sith lord
like Darth Sidius or Darth Maul don't have good teeth,
(48:28):
and their teeth the Dark Side like rotted them kind
of from the inside out. But an inquisitor because they're
not as deep into the dark side of the force,
probably don't have the same dental issues that a full
on Sith lord would have.
Speaker 9 (48:45):
Nice, I love this firs.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
We just acknowledge how great it is to have JC
on the show.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
That is so good.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Oh man, So inquisitors are like CW villains. And then
the truth Sith like criterion collection.
Speaker 9 (49:11):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 8 (49:15):
Didn't have anything on the medical facility specific to this episode,
so perhaps it was something in there. I don't even
know if verbally in this episode they identify it to
even link it to another thing, so it would have
to be a visual queue, which I did not pick
up on. And then the the other two things I
(49:38):
have from this episode is when Chopper is down and
out for the count, zeb kind of gives them an elbow,
which is the same elbow that Han Solo throws to
the Millennium falcon in the Empire strikes back to get
it to boot back up, which I.
Speaker 9 (49:56):
Thought was like a very subtle little nod.
Speaker 8 (49:58):
And then I had a question for you guys, because
when I was watching this episode in particular, I felt
as if there was definitely like I heard the podcast
in the episode with the banter between Ezra and Sabine,
and then famously in at the end of a New Hope,
(50:19):
when Luke has blown up the desk start and he's
getting out of the cockpit of the X Wing, he
doesn't yell Leah. He yells Carrie. In the movie like
you can hear it. He yells Carrie when when they're
all celebrating.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Wait and Mark part of the movie.
Speaker 8 (50:34):
So the X Wing is parked and Luke is climbing
out of the cockpit and all the people are running
to his x Wing.
Speaker 9 (50:41):
Luke doesn't yell Lea. He yells Carrie like.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
That and they leave that audience and it's in.
Speaker 8 (50:48):
And Mark Hamill is confirmed that he actually said Carrie.
But it's such a joyous, hysterical scream. I think they
were like, yeah, that sounds enough like lea. Have you
guys when you were in the booth, was there ever
a moment where you guys are going back and forth
where instead of saying like Ezra, knock it off, you
were like, Taylor stop it.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
No. I mean I said Taylor stop it a lot,
but not when we were actually in a scene.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, I don't remember. I don't remember that either. But
I see what you mean, like you get so familiar
with it.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yeah, it's a great question because we do speak to
each other. I don't know if this is evident to
anyone else. I'm assuming it is anyone listening. Taylor and
I really do speak to each other like Ezra and
Sabine do. So it's a very good question, jac because,
like you would think that could have easily happened, because
(51:47):
our report pretty much mirrors Sabine and Ezra's pretty closely.
I would say it helps because you have your dialogue
right in front of your face when you're at the microphone. So,
but no, I don't think we ever had like a
like a WHOOPSI Daisy, I meant to say Taylor or Ezra,
and I said, Taylor said, I do it in life
(52:08):
all the time. Clearly, I constantly conflate har and Vanessa
and you know, Canaan and party. Anyway, Yeah, happens all
the time. The only person that doesn't happen with is Steve.
I never accidentally called Steve zeb I guess maybe because
it's a farther departure. I don't know. Maybe do you
(52:28):
guys ever accidentally call Steve zeb or zeb Steve.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
But people who've come up and talked about the podcast,
they always say it's like they always say, listening to
the podcast is like watching an extension of the show,
very funny, Like it's that's cool.
Speaker 5 (52:43):
Yeah, I love that, I feel.
Speaker 6 (52:47):
I'll just share a quick little story. When I was
in Scrubs, I was in the episode after the pilot.
I played Becky, a nurse who makes it difficult for
Zach Braff's character to get with Sarah Chalk, and I
played basketball with them, and if you google it, it's
really it's a it's really a special scene. I'm wearing
(53:09):
polyester shorts and knee high socks and very aggressive. But
when we were filming it, I screamed Zack instead of
his character name. So I feel a little less unprofessional.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
For having it because I was like, oh, I'm fired.
I'm so fired right now, because like, you can't do
that on an set. Oh my god. I wanted to
kill myself. And and yet now that I hear that
Mark Hamill did it, I'm like, see, it's all you know,
it happens.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Uh, it's good company.
Speaker 4 (53:39):
Yeah, you're in good company.
Speaker 6 (53:41):
Yeah, it is worth googling. In fact, I might send
you guys the scene. My my basketball game is pretty rugged.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, social clip here we go.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
Oh, well you've got Taylor, You've got clips of Tailor
playing basketball, and now we'll have clips of Vanessa playing basketball.
Speaker 5 (53:58):
I'll get you that clip. It's it's pretty spectacular.
Speaker 4 (54:02):
Closest thing I have is playing quidditch. Nice what I
played Quidditch? Yeah? I love it's like the real life quidditch,
like people play. Please, what do you know that there's
(54:24):
actual people actually play.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
Quid Quidditch is flying on a broom, right, but.
Speaker 4 (54:28):
There's a real life for jac Can you fact check me, please?
There's a there's way.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
You know what I'm saying, like it's like quidditch.
Speaker 4 (54:37):
Yes, okay, we'll take that up with the people playing quidditch.
But it's a real like right now. Anyway, I had
to play it, and let me tell you, I was
the absolute worst worst actor trying.
Speaker 5 (54:48):
To play quidditch.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
It was like one hundred degrees in Atlanta in the summer.
It was like one hundred percent humidity, it felt like,
and everybody else was like pretty good and I was
pretty bad, like really bad. And there's one scene where
I have to actually like throw You're running around with
a broom broom between your legs. Okay, it's not cute
(55:10):
and I have to like one handed, like throw the ball?
Is that what it's called? And I'm sure there's another
for it?
Speaker 3 (55:17):
Maybe, sure?
Speaker 4 (55:18):
Yeah that through the middle hoop. I don't know how
to play footage, and it admittedly took me so many
takes to do it right. And but the but the
you know, thanks to editors and editing, it looks like
I can play foodache.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
Well, here's the thing. The truth is what the final
edit was, and that's what people see. So that's what
we go with. So let's just go with the behind
the very athletic exactly. Well, thank you, Jason, unless you
have more, uh. And I did know that about Mark
Hamill because I remember that was one of those things
that you don't know where the information came from, but
that information circulated like when I was a kid, like
(55:57):
somehow someone knew and you found out. You go to
your VHS and you're like, oh, cause it sounds like
you're saying hey, Like it's so like it's not like
very specifically, you can't really hear it until you know
to listen for Carrie. They're like, oh, he totally called
her that, So it's I think it was one of
those things where George is like, well, no one's going
to notice, and I don't think people did until they did,
(56:17):
and then that's interests what it is. But I do
remember getting that info. It's like, hey, did you know
Mark Hamill didn't call her Lea? He did this? Like wait,
what are you talking about? We all went home to
make sure.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
So's I've never heard that, and I have to go
back in line.
Speaker 8 (56:30):
You also have to think when when they were editing
Star Wars in nineteen seventy six. In seventy seven, home
video wasn't like a thing yet, and people didn't see
movies in the movie theater three thousand times like they
saw Star Wars. So George is probably like, well, this
little movie is going to fail. A few thousand people
are going to see it. How many of them are
(56:51):
going to pick up on it? People didn't anticipate, like
John and I watching Star Wars on VHS at home
over and over and over and over and picking up
every little issue that it had. So that's probably why
he got away with it.
Speaker 4 (57:08):
Sure twit he inn't because we know about.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
It now it's out there all right. Uh Well, that
wraps up another This was a fun episode to talk about.
This was a fun on. It was fun to on
wrap a lot of things in this one. We'll be
back next week as always, everybody. But until then, keep
on listening, keep on supporting, and we will support you
right back. But as always, Taylor, what are you?
Speaker 3 (57:30):
Men of the music?
Speaker 1 (57:34):
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I remember when I first saw this episode and when
Seventh Sister shows up, because I'm a big g I
Joe fan, she looked like Cobra commander. But then when
I heard Sarah's voice, I was very very surprised because
color commands like you. Then I'm like, wait, why is
Buffy Summers mending these people down?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Guys? You were listening to Potter Rebelly And this is
Taylor Gray Ezra Bridger Specter six, and we're so excited
to have you with me.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Is Oh, it's me Hi, I'm tsur Car voice of
Sabine Wren Specter five.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
And with us we also have it looks.
Speaker 6 (00:47):
Up, it's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Dula Specter two.
And I'm not sure if it should have been you,
but I.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Titanic.
Speaker 6 (00:55):
I don't know, yes, but I'm so grateful to be here,
and I'm also grateful to.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Have Hey everyone, it's John Lee Brody, your friendly neighborhood
moderator for the Potter Rebellion, and today we're going over
Star Wars Rebels season two, episode five, Always two. There
are here we go? Oh, I see I see like
some I saw that Vanessa the little headshake, little hottail.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Yeah, I mean, let's get into it.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Sarah Michelle Geller slays, there's what is happening. I mean,
her outfit, all of it, all the things plus Sabine
your hair again epic, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, we're waiting for that. Paul Mitchell sponsorship still still
doesn't come through yet, but you know, the message is out.
You know, we've put it the word out so and you.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
And Chopp are working on that computer. It is literally
like a commercial for your hair. It's just your hair
is a glow, it's highlighted. It's fabulous.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah, I appreciate that, having nothing to do with it,
but I think I may have said this on the
last episode, but man, I quickly will digress as I do.
But first of all, love, I'm sure you guys do too.
But like, nothing brings me greater joy than like seeing
Sabine cosplayers in the wild, you know, like getting to
meet Sabine cosplayers and seeing their and it's always like
(02:14):
a work of art and very personal. And you know,
people spend tons of time and energy and effort obviously
on making the creating these cosplay, you know, creating these
Sabine outfits. But man, the hair is always my favorite
part because I always love to see like which season
hair did they choose and why and how it all. Yeah,
(02:36):
it's seeing Sabine cosplayers amazing, seeing what hair they chose
and how they did it even better? Yeah, please go on.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
I mean, John, I don't know if you want to
recap or I mean I just went right in with
the serail.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You can't I get.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Canaan's wife in real life is among us? I mean,
like that's.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I'm waiting for a your reference in this last one.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
But you already said Sleigh, so now it's redundant.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
But no, no, you got it.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
But that's that's not even intentional. I can't even take
responsibility for that. That was by accident.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
But indeed, welcome, am I going on? And we could
just go right and we can just get rid of
it till we're not getting rid of it.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
We're never getting rid of it, no.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Never, Okay, here we go. Star Wars are season two,
episode five, always too. They are our original air date
October twenty eighth, twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Someone should when we finished the show, just take out
your recaps and listen as a full thing and see.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
If they understand the show. Oh, that would be amazing,
you know what, that would be so good. Literally just
your recaps of the entire show.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
That would be like binge watching like NCIS or something
like a procedural show.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Like it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That would be very interesting, amazing.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
We need to be here. We could just at the
top and z at the end. Yes, exactly, it just fluff.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, maybe at the end of each season we can
do that. We can just do like a whole super
cut and just see how that sounds. That's a fun idea.
That's all right, Yeah, all right, here we go. Here
comes the weekend. We get a glimpse of how Ghost
Crew life. Okay, let me start off. We got a
ghost of how Ghost Crew life is now that they
have a new roommate and Captain Rex. While Zed may
(04:28):
have a new Dejarag buddy, Canaan doesn't seem to be
vibing with the Clone Captain and Ezra like Steelers Wheel
in nineteen seventy two or Mister Blonde and the Reservoir
Dogs is stuck in the middle of it. As there
was no part of this Red River showdown type rivalry.
It seems to be developing between Canaan, so he joins Ze, Chopper,
and Sabine on a mission to retrieve medical supplies from
an old abandoned base. What would they find is that
(04:48):
this base isn't quite as abandoned as they think. Chopper
gets taken out by ID nine droids and Azer insa
being find themselves face to face with an inquisitor known
as the Seventh Sister. In a noble act, Ezra make
sure Sabine is able to escape while he has left
to deal with this slayer of an inquisitor alone. Oh
and to make the situation worse, the Fifth Brother inquisitor
decides to join the party too. It's up to It's
(05:08):
now up to Sabin and Zeb to save Azer. But
after a failed attempt to take down the Fifth Brother
Lean to Sabine's capture and Zeb's literally shocking encounter with
ID nine droids, things aren't looking good. But Zeb puts
his imposter syndrome side and is able to channel the
type of self efficacy that Albert Bandura will be proud
of and put to use Rex's earlier to jerk ted
talk lesson of brains over brawn to deceive the inquisitor
(05:29):
siblings and safety get Ezra, Sabine and Chopper out of
there with medical supplies in tow. Instead of Mighty Mouse,
it is zeb who has come to save the day.
Though they make it back safely to the Ghosts, it's
no time to celebrate with two inquisitors out there and
the group not knowing exactly what they're up against. The
stakes once again are raised and a plan will we
need to be formed quickly. And that's the recap for
(05:49):
season two, Episode five, Always two. There are guys, that's.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
What Rivers Showdown? What could that be? Why would I
be so delighted.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
About this powerking nonsense?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
No, it's no, well it isn't.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
It's it's the name for Texas, the TEXASO you get.
That happens every year. It's happened for like one hundred
plus years, over a century. It used to be called
the Red River Shootout, then it became the Red River Showdown.
Now it's called the Rivalry. It happens in Dallas, which
(06:29):
is equidistant between Norman, Oklahoma and Austin, Texas. And it's
a big deal, Taylor, It's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, yeah, right, John, It's a funny it's a funny
and that is yes, yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
For it's a deal in college football. It's like one
of those big rivalries, like you know, civil War. I
don't know why they call it civil war. They don't
call it that anymore. Washington, I mean Oregon State and
Oregon they even particulately.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I know.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I think it's about time that they changed their name
for a couple of reasons, one of which is that
you guys had nothing to do with it. It makes
a huge vel, no work cloth, Yeah, thank you, tex
So you Oh.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It's huge. There's so much history. There's a great thirty
for thirty special called Wishbone. I don't know if you've
seen it, but you know Texas as you know, they
started with Coach Royal started the Wishbone offense, and then
they openly shared it with oh you back in the day,
which is a crazy thing to happen. Then Barry Switzer,
you know, you look utilize it. Then Bear Bryant had
his whole run, but it all filtered back to Austin, Texas.
It's a really cool story and.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I'm with the Star Wars fans on this one.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Taylor, maybe you should watch the thirty for thirty and
then you can we can talk.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Oh, I've probably seen that one.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Taylor is the Wishbone. You will be a great Wishbone quarterback. Yeah,
you've agreeing the wish one offense.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah, thank you, John, thank you for that little present
for me. We don't have to continue talking about it,
but I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
We's it's a fun one. And I you know, I
throw It's football season, like we said a couple of
weeks ago, so just we'll throw them in whenever we can. Yeah,
thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
I just thought of something, and I don't know how
I did not mention this for the last episode, but
when Rex reunites with Ahsoka and he says, you know
you've gotten older and this and that like their reunion,
I just want to give that a shout out for
a minute, because that was also I talked about a
number of things that were satisfying to witness. That for
(08:30):
me as a Clone Wars fan, was pretty special. But
the last line of the last episode, where you know,
Canaan is saying, you know, it wasn't easy to trust Rex.
It still isn't, and she says nothing worth doing ever is,
and then we all walk as an ensemble. I mean,
that's another photo. I think we need that print as well.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I think we have that. I think I've signed that print.
I think that's one of the family family like group shots.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Yeah, when he says like thanks to these clowns, well
he doesn't say that, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
But anyway, so many words.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
But yeah, I don't know how I did not mention
that last episode because I thought that was was really lovely.
But yeah, getting back to uh, the Seventh Sister and
all the things. By the way, Savine tagging like you're
tagging is interrupted by a little imperial droid like you
go with your tagging.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I love that, Like you're on a mission. It's really important.
But hold on one side.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
She's like a little disruptor.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I love it. I love it too.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
I thought that was really sick and Chopper having his
very melodramatic scene with the way again killing it. Chopper
is doing great, you.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Guys, I feel I don't know if y'all feel this way,
or maybe you didn't need to in the first place,
but I I've always known obviously how much beloved Chopper is,
and often people' I feel like people are like Oh,
Chopper's my favorite character on the show, which I love.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Especially.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I mean that's quite something considering you can't understand anything
he's saying.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
So you we talk about that in this episode, right right, right, Yeah, yeah,
but you have sort of make inferences, and maybe that's
that's the fun, right you can just sort of apply
whatever you might say or what you think he's saying.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
But I feel like doing this rewatch, maybe I didn't
give Chopper his do or like his flowers when I
watched the first time. I'm not sure, but I'm really
like enjoying Chopper so much doing this rewatch and each
episode I'm.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Like that guy, Love that guy.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
That guy's so ornery and curmudgeonly and you know, just
he's like a riot. And now I think maybe I'm
able to better appreciate people's love for Chopper having, you know,
in doing this rewort watch. So that's that's a that's
a plus for me.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, the droids are good in this.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I liked saying, uh, threatening droids for the like droids
that did something.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
These things were gnarly.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I feel like so often they become obsollete pretty quickly
in battle in some way.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
But these things were crazy. Are they her pet droids?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
That's what I've seeing.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah, they're kind of like flotsam and jetsam in ht Urmy.
Do you guys remember Ursula as eel?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, that's grateful. I like them. I didn't think of
it like that, but that's funny. I like that if
I'm not mistaken, and JC can correct us at the
end of the show, as he always does. Those ID
nine droids, I believe are Ralph McCrory concept art of
like prodroid. So like again, it's another continuing the trend
of these Ralph McCrory uh uh designs being put into
(11:55):
the show, which I think is really cool.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Do you guys remember when we found out that the
seventh sister was going to be voiced by Sarah mm hmm.
I'm not I'm genuinely asking.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
It was.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Because I'm trying to remember, like when did we find
out who was voicing, because I don't think it was like.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
On the day came and she had left a note
on the because like with their kids, remember they were like,
well they can't both be in here at the same time,
and she had she had left a note on the
music stand for Freddy or something like a little silly
thing and then we came in.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
And I remember him holding it up or whatever. But
that that's all I remember about it.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
So did we never recorded with Sarah?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But didn't she come back? I think episode right, she's in.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
No, I think she's in more, and I think we did.
Speaker 9 (12:47):
Record with her.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I think, so, yeah, Well she's I mean, I think
it's commonly accepted that she is great always, but she's
so good in this, like she's so so good at
playing this like.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Badass hearing lady.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
I felt that it was sort of this, Okay, we
had nods to Jaws, we have nods to et. The
way she parsed out her words was very much a
nod to Darth Sidius in my view. And I don't
know if that was intentional or because you know, she's
married to you know, the sickest Encyclopedia of Star Wars details.
(13:31):
You know, Freddy is like the mastermind. But you know
when when Palpatine, you know, he says, how do I
learn this dark art? And Palpatine says, not from a Jedi,
like that's just three four words whatever, But the way
he milks that statement, it really hooks anlican soul and
(13:52):
it's like game over. I mean when she says, You're like, oh,
are you going to kill me, She's like not yet.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
It's really delicious.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, so when I.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Say slay, those are the moments that I'm thinking, like, oh,
it's such a She is an extension of Sidious, So
that tracks. Like even Sam Whitwerre and when he's on
eventually on our podcast, he'll talk about it. But you know,
having gone from the video game into playing Darth Maul,
they talked about how the Sith Lord energy moves through
(14:28):
different people and it impacts them vocally.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
So he's all making it dull in here.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Like doing all that Darth Sidious stuff versus Palpatine in
his sith character because that syth energy is moving through him.
I felt in her performance that similarly, he was almost
speaking through her in a scary way that was just
so trippy and effective and chilling.
Speaker 9 (14:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
One of the voices that we've had like an effect
on right, Like there was a I don't know if
they just doubled her, tripled.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
It or like oh yeah, and she had the helmet on.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And the help.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
But but Sabine I was thinking their helmet and I
are they doing anything to your voice when.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
She has when she has the helmet down, helmet on
and her like mouthpiece down, what does that think called? No,
there's no mouthbeast. It's a it's a I think, never mind,
don't can we cut that? Can we get that.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Out of the show?
Speaker 9 (15:25):
I cannot.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
That's our social.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
It's a sight and oh my god, don't comfort me.
Don't when she's wearing helmet. Now, when she's wearing her helmet,
my voice sounds they like do an affectation to my voice? Yeah,
but it's not nearly you know, it's like seven sisters.
Like on another level.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I got like a, I mean, I wrote my note
so the now hearing you guys say it not as much,
but I wrote holding call field. It reminded me of scene,
like it's within a situation that is set up that
is different, Like the stakes are so high they're having
this we move at such a pace in rebels that
I was like, what they're really having this conversation right now?
Like what is going on in these little like remarks
(16:17):
that it was just it was very funky that it
was different for rebels, and I enjoyed it it made
her even more creepy mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah. I felt like Richard Later was like directing this
episode exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Wait when you say Holden call Field, you mean the Seventh.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Sister, I mean that situation, like yeah, and Catcher in
the rye once he has the woman to the room
and then he's like, I don't know such kind of
want to talk and you're like in the middle of
this bubble and you're like, Okay, it's just gonna be
a conversation now, right right, And the remarks are like
off what you would think, not.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
In that world.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
It's kind of zany zany is yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So that's so cool hearing your side of it, because
that's what I was excited to hear about, was you know,
you haven't lived at firsthand. I remember when I first
saw this episode and when seven Sister shows up, I
was because I'm a big g I Joe fan. She
looked like Cobra commander with like when the visors down,
like the helmet and everything. But then when I heard
Sarah's voice, I was very very surprised because I was
(17:21):
because Covia commands like you, So that's what I thought
it was gonna sound like it's like and then I'm like, wait,
why is it Buffy Summer? Why is Buffy Summers selding
these people down? So that was my first encounter experience
with a Seventh Sister because I didn't know Freddy and
Sarah at that point, so I didn't have a personal
tie to the show. So that was that all those
(17:44):
memories came out.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
You didn't know him. How long have you known him for?
I feel like you've known him forever. That's so weird.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
We didn't officially like really meet until like twenty sixteen,
so like you guys.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Right after this, I thought you guys had known each
other since like time. That's so weird.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
It's funny how that works with certain people, you know,
it makes you believe in past existences.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Sam.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
I thought Sam wit were. I thought they knew each
other for a million years and they had only sort
of just met as well.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
That's so wild.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, I didn't have the personal tie in yet to
the show that I would eventually obviously still have to
this day. But yeah, that was my first uh with
the Seventh Sister.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Can I say this will only I don't know if
they're I'm assuming there are many friends fans that listen
to the show, me being one of them. But I
felt like Sarah coming on our show as an amazing,
very very memorable guest star being obviously married to Freddy
(18:49):
Canaan was kind of like when Brad Pitt and Jennifer
Andison were still married and they Brad Pitt comes on
the Thanksgiving episode.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, I was like, just like that, you started a
rumor I hate Rachel green Cloak.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I don't know why that just popped into my mind
because I'm like, Freddy and Sarah are like like Hollywood
power couple, and I was like, it's I don't know
what the like, what the genesis of getting her on
the show, whether Dave asked Freddy or what did they
circumvent Freddy? And did you just go straight to Sara?
(19:28):
Like what was the conversation Taylor? Do you know that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
He said that he Freddie says that David asked him
about a few people like Freddie had reached out.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Now that I think about it, though, I do. I
did know Sarah's.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Coming on, I didn't know what because I had a
dinner at their house and she I remember saying like
I'm gonna be on the show, and I was like, yeah,
that's cool.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
But then she was like, it's going to be a
bad bad guy, bad.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Girl, bad person, Batti, bad person, a baddie.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
But yeah, I went through. I mean, they would be
kind of weird.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
To not I know what, I'm just curious, like what
you know, was was there a conversation.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
And they were like can you ask him?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
I was like, yeah, sure, sure, sure, and so yeah,
me and Jason Isaac.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, I am yeah, James Jones, that was you too.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Know that.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Dated us.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
But well, I'm just curious that if if ever, like
Freddy was like oh Sarah, I don't know, like was
it a Freddy to Dave or Dave to Freddy or
how did that go? Or was it had nothing to
do with Freddy at all, because you know, she's kind
of a big deal irrespective of the fact that she
was married to Freddy.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Anyway, just curious if you knew.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I bet one of our listeners just knows the story
because maybe they heard.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Probably j C knows. I think I think it was
just uh, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Uh, Mary Elizabeth came to be on the show and
had nothing to do with Steve Sure, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
No, I don't need to Dominis like, I don't know.
I imagined that Dave was like, you know, who would
be so sick to play this seventh Sister? Yeah, Michelle
Galler And then.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, I wonder if she said the story because I
remember we did New York Comic Con with Sarah Michelle Geller,
and we did a panel and she rightfully so like
they were directing a lot of questions as to how
she got involved in I don't remember it. I'm sure
that would have come up at some point.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Somebody listening right now knows knows the answer.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And he's right there and his name is jac You
know what I've found funny is that I don't know
if this was intentional or not, but so she's the
Seventh Sister. Do you know how many seasons of Buffy
the Vampire Slayer there were seven? Seven seven?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Whoa, it's like Seventh Heaven too, And it's exactly like
some of a banger of a show.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
There's nothing like those those old WB days. There was
nothing like that was like the don ostrof Era. When
she was running the network, we had Dawson's Creek, we
had Seventh Heaven we had one Tree Hill was like
one of our last shows.
Speaker 10 (22:17):
Yeah, and they're formidable villains because I while watching this episode,
I was like, not that I don't always think it,
but I was like, how are they going to get
out of this?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
I really do not understand.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
If probably was playing a game in Star Wars, which
I think we did all the time with like superheroes,
you'd be like, well, Superman strong in this because he's
done that, and Batman can do this. With all of
our villains, I'm always sort of like, Okay, how strong
are they? Sized up to different people? And inquisitors are
very strong, and then to see like them hold a
(22:51):
ship with their powers and like, okay, obviously they're incredibly strong,
and knowing that, how are the three of us four?
But Chopper Tropper really goes through some stuff which I
also wrote down. Droids can't feel physical pain. Correct, they
can emotionally be hurt, but they can't physically be hurt.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
But do they have emotions?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I mean technically speaking it's a droid.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
No.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I mean I would say yes, because you know, he
gets he's happy, sometimes he's he's gets gruntled. Yeah, But
technically speaking, why would a droid have emotions.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
IgG, It's it's true.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Like I'm like, I first wrote like they can't even
be I wrote first droids can't be upset, but then
they can.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I was like, oh, so then they must have emotions
because Chopper's.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Surelyopper is always upset exactly, But then like they can't
feel physical paint correct, but.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Then draft and stuff like, but.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Nobody hurt a nerve.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
I agree with you. Technologically that doesn't make any sense.
But in the show, he's like, you know, he like
gets electrocuted and.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Like Trumper stands are going to be after us, But
I don't think you can. If you don't have nerves,
you shouldn't be able to. But let's ask jac has
to say.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
I wonder I mean K twos so when he gets
knocked out an and or and reconstructed, I'm sure he
didn't love being blown to bits.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Jac just when he thought it may be an easy
episode for him, he's going to have some stuff done wrapped.
So yeah, I like that you brought that up. That's like,
how are they going to get out of it? And
fittingly enough, it felt like this episode felt like a
mix of like the movie Alien and like an episode
of Buffy, you know, but it's like if they didn't
have Buffy to help him out, It's like if Willow
(24:44):
and like Faith and Dawn had their own side quest
and they had to go against Spike and Angel, like
what are they going to do against these two Golias?
And then they go head on and then this is
a nice segue into like zeb Zeb has a great
arc in this in this episode where I loved this episode,
he realizes that he is like good enough because even
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that moment of self doubt of like what can I do?
And like and he's like, no, I can't. If I'm
gonna if I'm gonna go out, I'm i go off
trying to save my friends or say my family and
say my siblings. And I thought that was such a
great turning point for his character.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Yeah, and he's like personal growth, mister mayleu run or
whatever I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
And he's so receptive to like these lessons because Rex
tells him earlier it's like, hey, it's it's sometimes it's
brain over brawn, Like we know you're the muscle, but
know that you have a brain in there too, So
to go back to wisard of Ouz like you've had
the brain all along, and I think he needed to
understand that, Yeah, I don't have to rely on my
my my brute force, like I can outsmart people, uh
(25:48):
if I have to, and which he does in this one,
which is really cool.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, hug Yeah, absolutely. I think it's funny how he
doesn't understand Chopper like for this part of the show
and I forget that and he's like because he says
to He's like, well, you can understand him, and I
was like, sometimes not, like that doesn't.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Make any sense.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Either doesn't make me If you understand them, you understand
the whor you don't.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Right, We've talked about this on the show.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Although I mean, put me in a conversation in Spanish,
I would say I understand until I don't.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Okay, So like you speak you.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Like a little bit of drawing his throwing because I'm like,
we've had this conversation before on this show about this
very thing. And obviously you know Sabina is like a polyglot, right,
Like she goes and talks to various people from far
corners of the galaxy and she's able to speak their language.
(26:46):
Or at least understand them. And obviously Haarrah and Chopper
understand each other. But and you have figured out some
like Ezra can sort of and then Zeb's been around
for forever and he doesn't understand a thing like so
is it just like some people are but you know,
(27:06):
as in life, some people are just better at languages
than others.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
And how do they like?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
They're like they live together, they spend all their time together.
And does Kanaan understand Chop.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I don't know that.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I feel like he into It's much like I think
if Ezra it might be a Jedi thing that they
get a sense of what he's saying without knowing.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
See like I under I we like I to being
actually understands, whereas maybe Taylor, oh my gosh, sorry, maybe
Ezra and Kanan, like you said, into it what he's
saying versus actually understanding what is being said.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I'm with that.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Give me one second, you guys. I'm getting a very
strange phone call.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, I'm just prank calling your guys.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Don't worry all you listeners. Now this is what's happening.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
And her phone number is oh god.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But we can make this episode a very listen to
episode if we just dropped that.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It's like you're bringing back There was these guys on
the nineties called the Jerky Boys, and their whole thing
is remember that, yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Dogs, I will quote you that entire phone call.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I had all those cassette tapes. I used to listen
to those on like you have to quiet. I had
to secretly do because if my parents found out I
was listening.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Sure, Taylor, you've never heard Jerky Boys.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You did it when you said dr Boys. I didn't
know when you did it. I've heard all.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yes, everything good Vanessa, Yes, okay, No, you're good. You're good.
Like I said, it was just tailor. Taylor just revealed
to the list it was actually just him. It's very
much like the movie when a stranger calls except you. Yeah,
I was just nice. I want to talk a little
bit about uh so Rex and Canaan because they touched
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on it a little bit the last episode where because
you see remember Rex's teaching as we're like, oh, this
is where you aim, this is where you do this,
and you get this one shot of Canaan a little
bit of like this jealousy factor of wait, hold on,
that's that's my pad of one, that's that's my little brother.
Don't don't take It's almost like to bring it back
to our sports that we like to talk about. It's
almost like you have these two overbearing coaches or sports
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parents that are trying to project their almost trauma on
Ezra and correct their mistakes. That's what I really saw
on that. And and this psychologist has a lot of
I think he's controversial with some psychologists like Carl Young,
Carl Jung. He talks about the shadow thing, where your
shadows come back to creep on others because you are
projecting your past traumas onto somebody else. So it's the
(29:59):
sports p and who never made it to the NFL
is going to put pressure on their kid, Yes, the
best quarterback, Well, I I feel like no, no. So
I just feel like that's where my mind went to
when I see Rex and Kanaan, who I do think
had the best of intentions but different ways to go
about it. And then poor Azra is just stuck in
the middle of I respect both of these guys immensely,
(30:23):
but you know, you're both telling me kind of opposite things.
I thought that was a really cool complexity that they
added to the characters.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
It's also kind of funny because like a season ago,
Canaan was like so reluctant to take on a padawan
because he didn't feel that he was worthy of, you know, teaching,
teaching someone the ways of the Jedi. And here he
is like feeling jelly that someone else is.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Trying to like mentor him.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
But also he has like deep feeling no matter how
he feels about Rex specifically, now, he also has like
a lot of feelings and resentment towards clones in general, rightfully, so,
so I think there might be some element of.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
That as well.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Right it's not just somebody else teaching him, it's a clone.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Do you think that plays a part?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I think absolutely. I think.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Because his feelings towards the clones that even more so
I think anyone come in and saying anything to him,
even when we get like Mal and that aspect of it.
But then there is a thing because he's fine if
it's within the Ghost crew obviously, But yeah, I think
that dynamic is interesting. What obviously he holds on too,
(31:44):
I was gonna say generationally, but not just historically. I
also think between the two of them. I wrote this down.
This is a very five cent thought, but it's just
hilarious at the end. What the animators did with Canaan
and Rex. The amount of time times they touched their
chin is like comical, no way, and then Rex does
(32:05):
it and then and then his hands does it again
and then does it again. If you watch it, I
was like, why do they keep I get it that
they're in deep thought, but it is I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
It made me laugh.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
That's also a power dynamic too, because sometimes when you're
in conflict with some new kind of mirror what they're doing.
So they cross their arms, You cross their arms. So
it's like I maybe like that was part of it,
but yeah, I thought of Cobra Kai because there's a
when it's like you have Johnny Lawrence and and Daniel
LaRusso and then I one there's one season where LaRusso
starts teaching Johnny student and Johnny gets all jealous. He's
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like like anybody but that guy, And I feel like
what you're talking about there with with Canaan and Rex,
it's like, yeah, if you want to learn from other people,
just anyone but the clone because because he's obviously still
got unresolved trauma that he hasn't processed, and Canaan is
almost like this canvas for their unprocessed trauma, to which
he's like, yeah, I'm out here. I'm gonna go with
you guys to get the metal supplies. I'm good. You
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know which which I think? You know it's mirrors, you know,
a couple of things. Because one it's like you think
of Luke Skywalker who really just had to listen to
ben kenobi obi Wan Kenobe but like and but then
you have, for the most part, you had Anakin that
just said obi wan. But then Palpatine comes, like comes
to the pray. It's like not that this is that,
(33:23):
but it's like when you have two different voices telling
you two different things. In this case, the two instructors
have good intentions. It's just that's a lot for to
put on someone like Ezra, you know, because everyone it's
like everyone sees his greatness and his pretent. It's like
his potential for greatness, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
It seems like everyone does.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
That's right right now is the guy who who he's
an arch man?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Everyone's telling.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
He probably would be on face for they, But it
is like that again, my default is I go to sports.
It's like, oh, this is the this could be the
goat right here, So now everyone wants their two cents
in terms of how does he get there? Sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Something I wrote down is like it makes sense movies
are as short as they need to be, and we
need We're going to show a training scene one time
and like quick essentially that we've seen in Star Wars
that training is the Jedi and the Padawan. Do the
Padawan ever train on their own? And by that I
mean like there's something early on in the episode where
(34:30):
I came to the defense a little bit Ezra, when
Canaan's like, uh, wants him to do some training, He's like, no,
I don't really like it's not working, and he gets
upset right away because it didn't happen. But like, I
remember that feeling playing sports, playing music, even acting with
certain like if I was going through early on with
the coach or like learning different songs, and when I'm
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doing in front of them and I'm doing exactly what
they're saying, I'm like, well, yeah, I'm not getting I'm
going to go home and I'm gonna do it myself
and learn the way that I learn, and then I'll
come to its. You can you can critique, you can
teach it, but now there's no pressure I can. Especially
if I have to do a character that is a
different voice, I like to work on that on my
own and then come forth with it rather than kind
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of follow my face in front of someone over and over.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
It constricts you a little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
And in Star Wars I just sort of always see
I don't know when Canan's like pressure him do it
and then doesn't work and he's like, well great, I
don't want to do this anymore. I'm like, well, yeah,
because you keep pushing him to do this thing. If
he just trained on his own a little bit, I
wonder if he would be more inclined, because then we
see at the end of the episode he's like, let
me see if I can get the lightsaber back, and
he does, and it's fine because there he needs to
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and it's to help his friends rather than to like
satisfy this dude who wants to do it on his time.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Mm hm, just like practicing practice, which you know, I agree,
like you, I grew up playing piano.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Don't ask me to play you anything.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Now, it's really sad.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
It is bad, it's really bad.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
It's embarrassing really, but you know, you go, you take
your piano lesson, but then there's so much that has
to happen if you're going to improve ever, you know,
like you have to go home and practice it. There's
muscle memory, right, not just like it's it's muscle memory,
but it's also sort of like just trying to perfect
(36:26):
your craft, and that's not going to happen only while
you have a coach coaching you or a teacher teaching you.
There has to be like follow through and taking it
home with you. So you're asking, do do pada ones
do homework?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Because we rarely see them on their own doing something.
Even I'm thinking Luke like he has destroyed with them
more like you know what I mean, there's always sort
of someone.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Else walking through it.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
But I think Vanessa m I know, well, I know,
I mean, I don't know what they're called.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
JC will know, but they're these sort of balls that
shooting you. I know Luke worked with and you know,
you put the helmet on and you have to sense
when you're going to be shot. I know those things
sometimes Obi Wan was there. But I feel like that's
something Patawan's would do on their own, is to work
with that machine to get a sense of using that
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instinct instead of seeing anything. I know, that's kind of
a training exercise. I don't know that it happens exclusively
with a Jedi master or that's the kind of thing
you could do on your own.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
JC will know, he knows everything. I'd like to know
why all the inquisitors teeth are so fantastic.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
They got a d plan of I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
The.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
Fifth Brother his teeth or just and so was the
other inquisitor who you know, May he rest in peace.
There's just something about the dental plan on that planet
that is pretty proud.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
They're very Are you talking Jason Isaac's inquisitor.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah, that got Those things were like daggers, like little
tiny daggers.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
That's the terrifying Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Guess, uh, it's to the species. But I have JC
to comment on the dental plan anyway, just not not
as heavy or spiritually profound is what we were just discussing.
And yet I did notice a dental situation.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
For the whyss have such I mean props of them
for not having ginger btis.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
So yeah, they get people to join the empire, we
will give you dental insurance.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
There it is joint. But he kind of looks like
Fantas to me.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I agree. Yeah, but when does
Thanos look like.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I'm going to go with brother Das?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Fine?
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Well.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
I also I loved let's.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Put the pull up what people said, let's see what
people say.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
I loved that everyone got creative in this episode to
get through, like how are we going to get out
of this?
Speaker 10 (39:08):
Meaning?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
You know.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
When he says just keep your chin up, you know.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
That's a clue to look above because he's going to
be hanging from the ceiling or whatever. But that you
guys learned to communicate and that you know, as a viewer,
I of course am not in the scene, but I
was please let them know that.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Mister maylurun is Zev and like, sure enough.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
You did, but you know, it was it really did
bristle with Oh God, I pray that they work this
through and say the right things like when Sabine says, oh,
we're good, don't come, which is not what they want,
and then you give them what they want.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
That tactic I thought was interesting as well.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
I don't know, it just felt like a lot of
this built up in a way that was really captivating,
and I was curious how they were ever gonna get
through it.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
It really was constructed really well in that way.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Agreed, And I think it's it's like it's nice to
not have a clear as a viewer, to not immediately
go okay, well, obviously everything obviously everything is going to
be fine. We know this well until later until later season,
but just to the you know it not just being
(40:19):
handed to you as an audience member, to like, Okay,
this is what's going to happen. I already get it.
It's like, you know, that's that's a nice feeling to
have to be like or to get to have no
idea how this is going to shake out. Makes it
a more interesting watch for sure.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, And it's a twenty two minute episode, Like there's
so like all those layering. That's what's really cool about it.
Like it's a quick watch, but there's so much going on,
But it's really just this character expansion. You know, there's
action obviously, you know with the droids and with seven
Sister and fifth brother and they fly away, but it's
really just the character building that made this so interesting.
(40:56):
And what I'd like to see is, you know, remember
Lineking one and a half where they showed from like
Simon and Pumba's perspective. I'd like to see a full
episode of what was going on on the Ghosts while
Rex and Canaan are going Atik and Djarik as like
Harah has to be the Phil Jackson and like manage
all these egos and all these like vulnerability, because that's
really what Hara is on top of, like being the
(41:17):
leader of the ghost Crew is like, which is also
what a head coach does. A head coach has like
managed these like locker room egos. So I just feel
like that must have been a very interesting thing for
her to have to witness these two guys kind of
go at it, you know, with their vulnerability kind of
rise into the forefront, you know. Interesting thought, just saying
(41:37):
like you could do a whole like we can rush
them on the whole thing. To go back to Kurosawa,
It's just like we can get the whole other perspective
of what was going on while this is going Just
like the last episode, what if we just stayed with
Hara the whole time while she had the power down,
the ghost, everything was going on. Selos. I just think,
to me, it's like those kind of stories are interesting,
like very much like a Danny Boyle or like a
(41:57):
Richard link Leader movie. How they make the characters the play.
I think that's uh, you could do that with these
characters because they're so well thought out, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Agreed, agreed, Yeah, these are all my notes. I've I've
gone through all my notes on this one.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Well, we're on the same Google doc, Taylor. I am
actually just reading your stuff right here. You're the blue
font I know.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, exactly. I put Star Wars Chess. I think that's
called Jarik. Don't need you on that one, JC, you
don't know anything about Jarik. I need you on that one, JC,
And yeah, literally that's everything I want.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I was going to say, you're the Bobby Fisher of
like Jark, But I guess we can throw that storyline away.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
But I guess I'll have a JC question here. The
the medical facility that they found that's left over from
the Clone war, what, uh, I wonder if there's.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
Any significance to that.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
I don't I don't recall I mean, there are many
many episodes of the Clone Wars that that I watched,
and I just wonder if it did. Was it a
banger for certain people? Like, Oh, I remember that base,
Look how it's torn apart. Remember what happened there? Yeah,
I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
I don't recall that there was anything spectacular previously that
it happened.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
It wasn't necessarily a nod. There were many of them,
I assume.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
So anyway, I'm curious if JC knows if that held
some sort of significance.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
I think let's find out right now. So I think
that's a very segue to JC to talk about all
that stuff. And also you probably have some He'll probably
have some stuff to talk about with like these inquisitors. Yeah,
looking for four sensitive children or for the young four
sensitive people like Ezra. So there we go.
Speaker 9 (43:42):
Okay, let's see what do I have.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
First thing I D nine enjoyed, John, you mentioned its
reference to a McQuary concept.
Speaker 9 (43:52):
It is squat like.
Speaker 8 (43:53):
The McQuary probe droid, but the McQuary or the McQuary
did not have the like large red eye on the
macquarie color scheme and design was looked more similar to
what we actually saw on Empire Strikes Back. We talked
about Sarah Michelle Geller and why she was picked basic.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
Why well, but I just want to be clear, I
wasn't like suggesting that we found our clip. Sorry.
Speaker 8 (44:27):
Dave Filoni had said that Sarah was a huge Star
Wars fan and had a ton of passionate enthusiasm for
the franchise. That really made him excited to bring her
into the fold. And then it was easier to get
to her as well because of her husband, so their
family was kind of already in the family is kind
(44:48):
of the on the record official what they've said. Do
droids feel pain from a certain point of view, right,
what's pain?
Speaker 6 (44:58):
You know?
Speaker 8 (44:58):
They could just turn it off, right they right, they
would just shut down that system. But I think, you know,
droids are made, particularly some droids are made to emulate humans,
and we've discussed on a previous the episode. The longer
a droid goes without having his memory wipe, the more
(45:19):
human it gets, the more it learns. So I think, yes,
they feel pain, but they don't really have to feel pain.
Speaker 9 (45:26):
I don't think.
Speaker 8 (45:27):
I think it's more of like a intellectual input of
like oh, I am sensing that there is a problem here.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Less than sociopathic.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, yes, it's where AI is going to be.
Speaker 9 (45:41):
Yeah, yeah, way more sociopathic.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Liar ouch hurt exactly.
Speaker 8 (45:48):
Wow, does a Padawan train on their own? Like homework, Vanessa,
the device you were looking for, the words we're training remote?
I can't pull us specific example from my brain of like, oh,
here are Padawans on the side competing, like you know,
(46:08):
like Harry Potter people being like, well, my magic is
stronger than your magic type of things. But I'm sure
that they do. There are references to like Padawan Young
Youngling games where they compete for to find a master
(46:31):
to train them. There's also and I'm sure it's not canon,
but the Young Jedi Adventures cartoon on Disney Plus, in
which I think d Bradley Baker does the voice of
Nubs on that show who we just had on. And
then there's also a book anybody who really wants to
(46:53):
dig into this called Star Wars A Jedi Path a
Manual for Students of the Force, which is a book
that is written as kind of like a found footage
journal of a Jedi and what you have to do
to train to be a Jedi. So if you really
want to train to be a Jedi on Earth, you
can buy that book off Amazon and learn for yourself
(47:17):
and and be the first known case of a Jedi
training on his own.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, I'm actually dropping an audiobook and yeah, and sign
up for my program.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
It's a twelve week course.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I'm glad to have audible subscription. Then there we got credit.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
It's only money.
Speaker 9 (47:34):
No, it's a lot of reference. Good job.
Speaker 8 (47:40):
Inquisitor Dental, so there's Unfortunately, unlike the Celestin barbershop of
weeks past, I didn't find anything on Inquisitor Dental. But
I would say, just thinking about it, I believe inquisitors
were supposed to be kind of lesser powerful like Sith.
(48:05):
They're not people that are as strong as Darth Vader
or Count Duker, or their abilities don't match those of
like a true Sith. And also the rule of two
dictates there can only be too Sith at any one time.
So my theory is is that a true Sith lord
like Darth Sidius or Darth Maul don't have good teeth,
(48:28):
and their teeth the Dark Side like rotted them kind
of from the inside out. But an inquisitor because they're
not as deep into the dark side of the force,
probably don't have the same dental issues that a full
on Sith lord would have.
Speaker 9 (48:45):
Nice, I love this firs.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
We just acknowledge how great it is to have JC
on the show.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
That is so good.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Oh man, So inquisitors are like CW villains. And then
the truth Sith like criterion collection.
Speaker 9 (49:11):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 8 (49:15):
Didn't have anything on the medical facility specific to this episode,
so perhaps it was something in there. I don't even
know if verbally in this episode they identify it to
even link it to another thing, so it would have
to be a visual queue, which I did not pick
up on. And then the the other two things I
(49:38):
have from this episode is when Chopper is down and
out for the count, zeb kind of gives them an elbow,
which is the same elbow that Han Solo throws to
the Millennium falcon in the Empire strikes back to get
it to boot back up, which I.
Speaker 9 (49:56):
Thought was like a very subtle little nod.
Speaker 8 (49:58):
And then I had a question for you guys, because
when I was watching this episode in particular, I felt
as if there was definitely like I heard the podcast
in the episode with the banter between Ezra and Sabine,
and then famously in at the end of a New Hope,
(50:19):
when Luke has blown up the desk start and he's
getting out of the cockpit of the X Wing, he
doesn't yell Leah. He yells Carrie. In the movie like
you can hear it. He yells Carrie when when they're
all celebrating.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Wait and Mark part of the movie.
Speaker 8 (50:34):
So the X Wing is parked and Luke is climbing
out of the cockpit and all the people are running
to his x Wing.
Speaker 9 (50:41):
Luke doesn't yell Lea. He yells Carrie like.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
That and they leave that audience and it's in.
Speaker 8 (50:48):
And Mark Hamill is confirmed that he actually said Carrie.
But it's such a joyous, hysterical scream. I think they
were like, yeah, that sounds enough like lea. Have you
guys when you were in the booth, was there ever
a moment where you guys are going back and forth
where instead of saying like Ezra, knock it off, you
were like, Taylor stop it.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
No. I mean I said Taylor stop it a lot,
but not when we were actually in a scene.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, I don't remember. I don't remember that either. But
I see what you mean, like you get so familiar
with it.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yeah, it's a great question because we do speak to
each other. I don't know if this is evident to
anyone else. I'm assuming it is anyone listening. Taylor and
I really do speak to each other like Ezra and
Sabine do. So it's a very good question, jac because,
like you would think that could have easily happened, because
(51:47):
our report pretty much mirrors Sabine and Ezra's pretty closely.
I would say it helps because you have your dialogue
right in front of your face when you're at the microphone. So,
but no, I don't think we ever had like a
like a WHOOPSI Daisy, I meant to say Taylor or Ezra,
and I said, Taylor said, I do it in life
(52:08):
all the time. Clearly, I constantly conflate har and Vanessa
and you know, Canaan and party. Anyway, Yeah, happens all
the time. The only person that doesn't happen with is Steve.
I never accidentally called Steve zeb I guess maybe because
it's a farther departure. I don't know. Maybe do you
(52:28):
guys ever accidentally call Steve zeb or zeb Steve.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
But people who've come up and talked about the podcast,
they always say it's like they always say, listening to
the podcast is like watching an extension of the show,
very funny, Like it's that's cool.
Speaker 5 (52:43):
Yeah, I love that, I feel.
Speaker 6 (52:47):
I'll just share a quick little story. When I was
in Scrubs, I was in the episode after the pilot.
I played Becky, a nurse who makes it difficult for
Zach Braff's character to get with Sarah Chalk, and I
played basketball with them, and if you google it, it's
really it's a it's really a special scene. I'm wearing
(53:09):
polyester shorts and knee high socks and very aggressive. But
when we were filming it, I screamed Zack instead of
his character name. So I feel a little less unprofessional.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
For having it because I was like, oh, I'm fired.
I'm so fired right now, because like, you can't do
that on an set. Oh my god. I wanted to
kill myself. And and yet now that I hear that
Mark Hamill did it, I'm like, see, it's all you know,
it happens.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Uh, it's good company.
Speaker 4 (53:39):
Yeah, you're in good company.
Speaker 6 (53:41):
Yeah, it is worth googling. In fact, I might send
you guys the scene. My my basketball game is pretty rugged.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, social clip here we go.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
Oh, well you've got Taylor, You've got clips of Tailor
playing basketball, and now we'll have clips of Vanessa playing basketball.
Speaker 5 (53:58):
I'll get you that clip. It's it's pretty spectacular.
Speaker 4 (54:02):
Closest thing I have is playing quidditch. Nice what I
played Quidditch? Yeah? I love it's like the real life quidditch,
like people play. Please, what do you know that there's
(54:24):
actual people actually play.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
Quid Quidditch is flying on a broom, right, but.
Speaker 4 (54:28):
There's a real life for jac Can you fact check me, please?
There's a there's way.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
You know what I'm saying, like it's like quidditch.
Speaker 4 (54:37):
Yes, okay, we'll take that up with the people playing quidditch.
But it's a real like right now. Anyway, I had
to play it, and let me tell you, I was
the absolute worst worst actor trying.
Speaker 5 (54:48):
To play quidditch.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
It was like one hundred degrees in Atlanta in the summer.
It was like one hundred percent humidity, it felt like,
and everybody else was like pretty good and I was
pretty bad, like really bad. And there's one scene where
I have to actually like throw You're running around with
a broom broom between your legs. Okay, it's not cute
(55:10):
and I have to like one handed, like throw the ball?
Is that what it's called? And I'm sure there's another
for it?
Speaker 3 (55:17):
Maybe, sure?
Speaker 4 (55:18):
Yeah that through the middle hoop. I don't know how
to play footage, and it admittedly took me so many
takes to do it right. And but the but the
you know, thanks to editors and editing, it looks like
I can play foodache.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
Well, here's the thing. The truth is what the final
edit was, and that's what people see. So that's what
we go with. So let's just go with the behind
the very athletic exactly. Well, thank you, Jason, unless you
have more, uh. And I did know that about Mark
Hamill because I remember that was one of those things
that you don't know where the information came from, but
that information circulated like when I was a kid, like
(55:57):
somehow someone knew and you found out. You go to
your VHS and you're like, oh, cause it sounds like
you're saying hey, Like it's so like it's not like
very specifically, you can't really hear it until you know
to listen for Carrie. They're like, oh, he totally called
her that, So it's I think it was one of
those things where George is like, well, no one's going
to notice, and I don't think people did until they did,
(56:17):
and then that's interests what it is. But I do
remember getting that info. It's like, hey, did you know
Mark Hamill didn't call her Lea? He did this? Like wait,
what are you talking about? We all went home to
make sure.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
So's I've never heard that, and I have to go
back in line.
Speaker 8 (56:30):
You also have to think when when they were editing
Star Wars in nineteen seventy six. In seventy seven, home
video wasn't like a thing yet, and people didn't see
movies in the movie theater three thousand times like they
saw Star Wars. So George is probably like, well, this
little movie is going to fail. A few thousand people
are going to see it. How many of them are
(56:51):
going to pick up on it? People didn't anticipate, like
John and I watching Star Wars on VHS at home
over and over and over and over and picking up
every little issue that it had. So that's probably why
he got away with it.
Speaker 4 (57:08):
Sure twit he inn't because we know about.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
It now it's out there all right. Uh Well, that
wraps up another This was a fun episode to talk about.
This was a fun on. It was fun to on
wrap a lot of things in this one. We'll be
back next week as always, everybody. But until then, keep
on listening, keep on supporting, and we will support you
right back. But as always, Taylor, what are you?
Speaker 3 (57:30):
Men of the music?
Speaker 1 (57:34):
Potter Rebellion is produced in partnership with iHeart Podcasts Producing,
hosted by Vanessa Marshall, Tia Surkar, Taylor Gray, and John
Ley Brody Executive producer and in house star Wars guru
slash back checker j c Riefenberg. Our music was composed
by Mikey Flash. Our cover art was created by Neil
Fraser of Neil Fraser Designs. Special thanks to Hally Frey
and Aaron Kaufman over at iHeart, Ivan krask or At,
(57:55):
Willie Morrison, Devor Trasy Canobio, George Lucas for creating this
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