December 2, 2025 • 53 mins
From the rescue mission that leads to more insights into Zeb's past to Hondo being the habitual line stepper to Zeb leaning into his innate greatness he seemed to have buried away long ago and that epic music! This episode had a lot and the group is here to unwrap it all!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You guys ready for this?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
The former chief engineer for death Bro Records said something
on a Tupac forum in twenty fourteen that said Tupac
told him he was vying for the role of Mace
Windu in Star Wars episode one.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Hey everybody, this is T. S. R.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
Car, the voice of Sabine Wren Specter five, and you
are listening to Pod of Rebellion, and we're.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
So thrilled for you to be here with us.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
I am not alone with me.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I've got what's up? What's up?
Speaker 6 (00:49):
It sounded a bit like an MPR at the beginning
of MPR, it was very nice, always worked into a trance.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
I don't know if that's Taylor gray Asbridge you respector
and with us we have?
Speaker 5 (01:02):
And what's up? Everybody?
Speaker 7 (01:02):
It's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Dula Specter number two.
Speaker 8 (01:06):
And today we are also joined by.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Hey everybody, it's your friendly neighborhood moderator John Ley Brody,
and today we're going over Star Wars Rebel season two,
episode fourteen, Legends of the Lessaque. But first, as always,
it's family checking time. How is everybody doing?
Speaker 5 (01:23):
I thought I was fine, but apparently I'm a little loopy.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm hitting my like natural. I had this since I
was young.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Now I have like the understanding of it, like it's
a seasonal depression. It's like it gets so dark so early,
and I genuinely, no matter where I've lived, whether in
the States somewhere, I'm like this time November, I'm just like, well,
I mean, it's gonna get dark early. Today's they're gonna
be what they're gonna be. But there's been very positive
(01:52):
things in the worldly. So it's that's how being lifted up.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yes, yeah, it's well said. Also, I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
The day after Daylight Savings, I daylight saving right, Sorry,
I looked out the window and I was like, oh,
it's it's already nighttime. I was like working on something.
I was like, oh it starting nighttime five twenty nine pm.
I was like, oh no, it's that time of year.
I want. I love when it's like light until eight
(02:21):
thirty and it's warm outside, and said, this is not
my season, this is not my jam. But you know what,
it's fine because good things are happening in the world
and it's thrilling.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So yes, it is, yes, but that'sa how are you doing?
Speaker 8 (02:35):
Doing great all as well? Yeah, happy to be here.
Good to see you guys always.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yes, yeah, John, how are you?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I'm gonna thank you for asking. Okay, I gotta say this.
We didn't get to talk about this yet, obviously, but
Tia your Halloween costume as Tupakshakor. Now. I had three reactions,
and the order is this. I was scrolling through, as
one does on Instagram. I'm like, oh wow, that is
a great two box your core costume. Second reaction, I
was like, holy crap, that's TEA. Third reaction was did
(03:05):
you anyone hear it was better than Coachella? Let me
tell you. But the third reaction was did anyone ever
watch that show? A different world? Yeah? It was one
like Jasmine Guy and Dwayne Way. So in the later seasons,
when Jada Pinkett joins the cast, Tupac Shakur makes a
guest cameo as like.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
That's what led them to date?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
A uh huh yeah, and his whole entrance and that.
So I was mimicking what everyone said. When Tupac showed up,
I was like, play. That was my third reaction, this
is your Tupac ossume.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Well, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I was interest.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It was so good, and I'm a huge Tupac fan.
When I first got my license, I was always blasting
California love or hit him up because I thought I
was hard in the suburbs of Chicago. Yeah, in my
fifty I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
You were at least in the suburbs of Chicago. I
was in Arlington, Texas, a suburb between like Dallas and
Fort Worth, and I was, I was, I was and
stilliam Tupac's number one fan and I will die on
this hill that he's the goat Taylor, do you have.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Anything to say about that?
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Guys, I'm Southern California. I was bumping it with everyone
else who bumped it the biggest.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I think Tubac is the greatest. Do love, Biggie.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
It's a tough one winning right here, and but also
Kendrick because me so, but I'm right or die so
cow like I was bumping Tupac for suow.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Do we agree on something for one.
Speaker 8 (04:40):
I'm freaking out.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
I've never been more comfortable in Halloween costume. Usually my
Halloween costumes are you know, I'm cold and I'm wearing
very high heels, and you know, I felt great but
I was freaking a lot of people out, as I
probably freaked you John. Yeah, everyone that was at the
party that I was at was like, oh my god,
(05:03):
it's you, which also felt good.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It was so good though, and I was like wow,
and I don't know if I've ever seen I just
you know, obviously I wasn't expecting it.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
My first word association is in ts R. Carr. But
it is. It is, yeah, but it is.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
That is an association I will be very proud to
hang on to.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Also, you guys, full disclosure. I cannot get.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I can't get the thug life temporary tattoo good.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
I had to get this for a lot of jobs,
and I've scrubbed where it starts bleeding.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Like how do you get them?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
What's the uh it's like.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Nail polish, yeah, running on stuff. But then genuinely, don't
use anything scrubbing. Use like your finger and it will
come up like the yah of your finger.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Okay, because at the moment I keep forgetting it's on
and I'm like, oh right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Oh hit him up all right? But yes, tupac Lego
lyrical genius. And there's a new biography out about him
written by Jeff Pearlman, who I'm friendly with. He wrote
this great biography about bo Jackson. He's done a lot
of great sports biographies. He just did won a Tupac Shakur.
The title of it escased me. I'm sorry, Jeff, but
a little shameless plug for you, my friend, because I need.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, it's gonna be on my, like my holiday reading
list for sure. I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Thanks for that absolutely so great stocking stuffer for all
of you all. If you uh, you know what says
I love you and Merry Christmas and happy Holidays more
than a Tupac Shakur biography. Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you
have answers, then right in. But I don't think we're
gonna get any emails about that. All right, So shall
we jump into this episode of Star Wars our bulls.
I mean, we can just make it a Tupac episode.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I'm I mean, how much time do you have?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, I mean we got we got the hours, so lot.
We should maybe do like a remix of one of
the episodes to see if you know how like Dark
Side of the Moon, what if there's like a Tupacs
on that sinks up perfectly with like a Star Wars episode.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Like that would make Rebels even cooler, I know, even cooler.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Oh okay, Twitter Verse and you know the Internet, all
of you wonderful listeners out there. Everyone's so creative and thoughtful,
and somebody, somebody out there has got to be like, oh,
it's this song and it's this episode. Please let us know.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, I could see like when ez Rick gets on
like the speeder bike, like California, though it just like
feeds off, you know, something like that.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I want like a deeper cut, like like Brenda's got
a baby. Yeah, I'm just I'm just comes around. Yeah yeah, yeah,
oh no, we feel differently about Harara having that baby.
Even this might be a very niche for some of
(07:57):
our listeners who are young perhaps or not. What we're
listening to Tupac and Piggie.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
And we really cover a widespread I think about it.
They're not they're not things that often go together, which
makes it fun. But it's very true we find the
person in the middle of them.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
When that then diagram overlaps, there's nothing better. When when
I get like a message being like I love whatever.
Let's just say the Longhorns just as an idea.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
I don't think there's a long horned Tupac Star Wars
fan outside of you.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
It's me, oh.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Outside of me. Hey, if you are a Longhorn fan,
slash Star Wars fan, stash Tupuc fan, please add at me,
because I really want to know.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Then there'll be.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
Two of us.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
If these cricket sounds, I would right now.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
They're out there. I know you are, let me know.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Let us go.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Glen Powell, I bet you that's you. I bet that's
Glenn Powell because I know he's a long Horns fan.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
He was in the game.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I know he's one of three of the three, so
maybe he's the other two as well.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And McConaughey say, will hold on, hold on long hone
and I love Masta War. So here we go, all right,
So Larry Scot's get into the recap of Season two,
episode fourteen, Legends of the Lisade original air date February third,
twenty sixteen. Ezra, like Antonio Benders in two thousand and six,
gets to take the lead on this latest rescue mission
for the Ghost Crew to free some refugees, and a
(09:18):
few surprises present themselves. The refugees are less known as
Gron and Chad are the wise Zeb's people. Azra's intel
for this mission was the untrustworthy friend of me Hondo Onaka,
and Zeb is a captain. As the group makes their exit,
they see that Hondo, like Rick James, is an habitual
line stepper. One minute, he stepping in the direction of
helping the Empire, the next he stepping towards helping the
Ghost crew, and then back to stepping towards the Empire again.
(09:40):
The crew barely makes your escape and sets course for
lear Song. Only problem is mythical places like Learisan aren't
something you can find via GPS. It is only through
the ritual that fulfills the prophecy of the Fool, the
Child and the Warrior that Lerisong could be revealed. But
Zeb is very skeptical through it all and claims Lerisan
is not a real place. What we find out that
skepticism is Zeb's mass to cover up the survivor's guilt
(10:01):
and feeling that he failed his people so long ago.
But thanks to Ezra, he's able to realize that while
he can't change the past, he does have a chance
to make the most of the present. So Zeb fully
leans into the Lassat ritual and the location of Lerisan
is revealed. But it's never that easy, and imploded star
cluster gravity field anominally stands in their way, and on
top of that, thanks to Hondo, Callous and the Empire
are on their heels. But this is where Zeb, like
(10:23):
Channing Tatum, gets the step up by embracing this Lasot's
spiritual oneness and using his bow rifle the channel the Ashlo.
Like the ancient ones, the ghost is able to power
through to the other side, right to Lerisan. Zeb now
has peace of mind, knowing that there's a safe haven
for Lasots and knowing that his motherland is always there.
And that is the recap for Season two, episode fourteen,
Legends at the Lissa Rah is the.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Very first reference Internio Banderi.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Yeah, I didn't get that one either.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
He was in a dance movie called Take the Lead
and this is what as this is as Antonio was
starting to kind of fade away from the public euye.
But he us it was one of those more obscure
Mary deep cut New Benders movies. Yeah, I like that. Yeah,
both him and Channing Tatum both at dance movies. That
your Channing Tatam of course had Step Up, and then
Antonio Benderis had take the lead. We all know which
(11:09):
one we remember a little bit.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Yeah, yeah, I remember running around the living room. I
remember seeing that movie with my brother, which is hilarious,
and we would run slide with the pillows from our
couch in the living room on the hardwood floor, trying
to spin on our head and we would hold the
other person nice because of Step Up, And it just
(11:31):
makes I always think about that with movies. They're like
even Star Wars, like you imagine how many people are
probably with their siblings or their friends whatever, like playing
with lightsabers or jet packs or whatever it might be, and.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
It's it's got to be so fun.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
How much like movies influenced that because I would never
think I would be doing that with my brother.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
But Step Up, Step Up is a great movie.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It is a really good movie.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
So many of those dance movies are under locking.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
In the mirror.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I remember, Yeah, I missed that era of movies, like
there was even Step Up to the Streets and then
Step Up three D and then there was a stop
the Yard.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Dump the Yard. Yes that isn't that I.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Think so, But we can. We can we can double
cross reference when we get the fact we got a
fact check yard the yard.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Okay delete delete that's if I'm wrong, please all right.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So initial, this would have been a great episode to
have Steve on, But I know, I don't know how
much Steve are members of the show because I don't
I think he's kind of along the same wavelength as you, Taylor.
It's kind of like he did it and then he
moves on. But we should just get Steve back anyway
at some point.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I don't know, I feel like he yeah, I mean,
I feel like he anyway, even if we don't talk
about Star Wars. I would love to have Steve back
on just to like, because I love that guy and
he has He's so entertaining and fun to talk to
and fun to listen to. But I feel like he
would have some insight into stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, maybe if they have to the episode again and
that'll spark some sort of memory for him, because I mean,
I don't think I could say, hey, do you remember
the thing where you had in the bull rifle? I
don't know, he probably like vaguely, but I think maybe
if he watched it, then maybe that'll unlock some key
memories for him. But maybe maybe our next fan Q
and A, maybe we can see if the Steve.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Oh yeah, that'd be good.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
That could be fun.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I thought this was a really cool episode.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
I remembered it, but I didn't remember I remembered it
on a macro level, but I didn't remember the details.
And I just I mean, I think my feelings about
Steve as a human being and as an actor are
pretty clear, and I think all of you guys agree.
But he's just so good, Like I just love him
(13:43):
getting more screen time, and he's just so good at
going from like funny, you know, being able to.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Deliver all of these I mean.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
He's so zeb is so funny, but also then having
these opportunities to like dig a little deeper and you know,
be emotional without you know again getting like getting too crazy,
being over the top with it. He's just so he's
just so good.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I just want more, you know, I.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
Felt the same. I also I loved Gray Delisle.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Oh that's great.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
Yeah, she was amazing, so great, And I thought last
night I had a crazy night.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Technical stuff. I think Mercury's in retrograde or something's going on.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
Anyway, but I finally got around to looking at the
epsille like, oh this one.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
I thought about texting her last night and going, what
are you doing tomorrow?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Like yeah, but I know her con schedule is insaying
she's probably on a plane going somewhere. But I would
love to speak to her because it was she really
she's so talented, but also this vital piece of history,
like we didn't know that zeb was such a high
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ranking officer and this whole thing about the fool and
the child and all the sort of poetry and myth
of that. How what it was like for her to
come down And she's been in a million other Star
Wars things, but I remember, I think, and it was
Gary Anthony Williams who was with her as well. I
do remember coming in and I feel like we saw
(15:23):
gray in passing, which is which makes sense because she's
on like a million cartoons. She probably had to come
when she could do her lines and leave. But do
you guys remember them being there to record this or
not at all?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I only remember chanting with Oh. I remember I remembering
and Dave being.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Like, just do what they do, and I was like, okay,
like that's the only part of this episode I remember.
Speaker 8 (15:52):
Yeah, interesting.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Oh sorry, sorry, I'll be sorry. I didn't want to interrupt.
I'd to opened this store and so sorry, it's okay.
Speaker 8 (16:02):
That was the cutest picture.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Sorry. I remember you chanting then too. I feel like
it took you a minute to get.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Into the day, was like, uh, it was they were
saying different than it was written, and then he was like, well,
just follow them. But also you don't know what's going
on in the scene, so just like he was like,
we're gonna watch the process if you figure out what
this thing is.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And so I just remember them chanting and trying.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
To do that's really funny.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
It was like so meta, like you were like, what's
happening and she was like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That like a lot of things with.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Like literally he was like, yeah, you are you as
I mean, Ezra also doesn't have any idea what's supposed
to be happening right now. He's just kind of going
with the flows. So I do remember you chanting. So yeah, Vanessa,
they must have been in the studio with us.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Yeah, I think she was there briefly, and I felt
like I feel like I saw her in the lobby
coming or going or maybe I wasn't there for all
of that because I didn't have any lines per se
in that.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
Part or something. I'm not sure, but yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
And also did you notice Callous was talking to himself
as a trooper I mean David.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wrote that.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yeah. I was like, was that.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Storm trip stormtrooper David o' yellow?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (17:27):
I noticed that, and I was it was another d
thing And I think I had a hang on in
this one.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You do have a hang on.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
I wrote that down too, Yeah, somewhere that was.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
A good catch.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Also, I like that we now have recurring things. Was
her name chalm or Charms, Java, Chava. She understood Chopper.
Chopper said something and she was like she was like
replied to him in some way where I was like, oh,
I guess lasaw have droid down pretty well.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
But she specifically isn't she kind of a woman? Yeah,
like a sorceress or.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's cool, it's cool to see that kind of Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I liked that a lot.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
I like how all of the art in the show,
like when people draw, including city and it's like chalk.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, there's no medium.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Yeah, oh no, she has a I have a spray. Yeah, also,
you know, I really wanted to ask I should have
asked Henry this, but or did I No, I don't
think I did. Like it must have been so fun
to write dialogue for Hondo. Oh no, I did.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I did ask him.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
I like who improvised the most, because watching this episode,
I'm like, there's no way that a lot of that
was scripted. He just he just has this like amazing
knack for like giving every line a little flavor, a
little something at the beginning, a little button on the end.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
He's so good.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Honda is just such a such a treat to watch, Uh,
Hondo as a character and the and the voice acting.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
I noticed his sniffs a lot. Yeah, you kind of
punctuate something. I don't believe that was written. I was like,
what a nice touch to add the little sniff.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
So good, and then they and then they animate to it,
so then he's been sniffing in the scene.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, that was the other reason I referenced Rick James
and people.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
But I also like the animation, the violins and the music.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
I thought the there were so many unique uh moments
in this I mean, I know, obviously we keep referencing
Canaan's sacrifice and the animation and colors of that, But
I didn't recall sort of when we're going through hyperspace
into a black hole or whatever that was about that
(19:58):
that the animation was superb, the lapter colors, and I'm
trying to remember if we've heard violins like that.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So it wasn't even violin. I'm glad you brought that.
It was a violin. It was like a solo instrument
in this grandiose moment, which because like a solo instrument
is essentially vulnerability, and Zeb is in such a notable
spot and it's his chance to really rise up, which
is a big moment. But it's like that violin is
him in this grand space. I used to I was
(20:27):
an orchestra growing up, so it's like, and I love
classical music, and it reminded me very much like Johan
Sebastian Buck and the Baroque era. He's very much about
minimalism and when you're minimalist, or just like when you
watch me Azaki and Studio Ghibli films, he's very minimalist.
It's like what's not on the screen is really going
to be powerful. So like it could have been a
huge orchestra, which which the John will that would be
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like the John Williams style, the Star Wars style. But
I love that choice and I would love to get
Kevin Kiner on some time to be like, what kind
of discussion was it to choose like one singular violin
in this huge moment where they could have literally died
in that black hole? And I just thought that was
so cool. I'm so glad you brought that up. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It would be really cool to have camera.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
I've been blown away by the music throughout, Like I
think my biggest takeaway if the whole show has been
I'm so I guess because we don't get to hear
it more in the booth, but it's so good like
it every episode is incredible.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
And then I do have a question for JC.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
My Star Wars education and my PhD in Stars has
not gone to this point yet when they talk about
the outer rim wild space, could you give me the
two minute ted X talk on like where, because I
don't know in the movies that they necessarily really map
it out, and I've seen in different shows. I think
I remember seeing something like Skeleton Crew they like show it,
(21:47):
or they'll show on a big map like Okay, this
is further out, but like, what exactly does that entail
when there's like outer rim wild space.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Making that makes sense would be nice.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
Now the uncharted territory, I love it says that now
that this is charted, we can come back here.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
That was really sweet, but also it punctuated the fact
that they were in the unknown or the wild wester
what did you call it? Wild spaces?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, wild space. I think at least that I wrote down,
it could just be me.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Yeah, I like it, I buy it.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I'll take it. Yeah. So to go back with Zeb
and also Steve, you know this kind of fiells. Remember
when the inquisitor siblings show up and then Zeb steps up,
because at that point we don't know a whole lot
about him, so we're kind of like, oh, maybe he
just used to being the number two or the number three,
but then we find out no, he was the guy
(22:44):
at some point. So now it's this whole layer of
was this like a reluctant greatness or him running from
his natural greatness but now like coming to terms with
what happened in the past, and almost kind of transcending it.
So it's like he had this sort of wounded king
archetype this whole time, but now he's like, oh now
I feel it won that whole fool child and spirit
(23:05):
spiritual oneness. I just feel like that arc within twenty
two minutes of healing Zeb, but now he's on the
path to healing. I just thought that was so cool.
And I know the we talk a lot about philosophy.
I would love to just kind of hear your thoughts
and that sort of character expansion and where Zeb is
going from like here on out.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Well maybe a question for JC and I'm not sure,
but this these archetypes of the fool, the warrior, and
the child.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
I was trying to play some I was like, well, the.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Fool is definitely Hondo because sniff sniff, he's right there, right,
I think, I don't know, But then and I thought
the warrior was Zeb, but then he's the child.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
I was a little confused.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
And is that some sort of known archetypal structure in
storytelling that was just sort of placed onto this or
that was something unique to just this this episode.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
I'm I mean, I've heard mythic.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
If I may to me My interpretation was he was
all three.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
Yeah, ultimately.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, it's Shunrio Suzuki's don Buddhism. So because Shunrio Suzuki
is all about shoshin the beginner's mind, which is when
you're a beginner and you're new, you're open to everything,
but then when you become an expert, you're kind of like, no,
this is the only way to do it. And the
key is the balance those two things. So Zab needs
the embodiment of the warrior, of the naivete fool, but
also the child who has like faith in wonder and
(24:28):
thinks nothing's impossible, Like he had to realize he had
to do all three. That was my interpretation. Maybe there's
a deeper thing with Star Wars, but yeah, that's how
I interpreted it.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Yeah, I got that he was all three ultimately, But
I didn't know if you guys wondered, you know that
if it might be hand or this or that, or
what your thought process was, or or you just sort
of let it unfold to where she revealed that he
is both the child and the warrior and also the fool.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I don't know, uh, did she reveal that he did
she reveal that he's all three, because I thought that
she only sort of clude him in on the fact
that he's the child, and he was quite you.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
Know, I thought it was the child and the warrior.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Well then wouldn't it make sense that he's all three.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
That's I don't know, We're gonna have to like send JC.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, my biggest negro was he was a captain.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Yeah, that was I loved that moment because, you know,
we often are. I feel like Zeb is often like
the Jester, the you know, the muscle, but also like
the source of all the comedy.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
No, but and so to to learn that about him and.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
His past and it kind of just gives him, I
don't know, like adds a weight and a gravitas to
him that obviously I don't mean physically, but just like you,
it's like respect for I had forgotten that part and
I was like, oh, that's right. I love that.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah. Yeah, So I think Vanessa, back to what you
were saying, I think we're meant to think that way,
trying to piece that puzzle together, just like zebis. It's
almost like we're in Zeb's shoes throughout the whole thing.
So he thinks, well, I'm the warrior. It's like, no,
I wanted to be the warrior. And then the whole
thing as you just like, well, you're kind of acting
like a child. So it was that whole thing which
I thought was the fun you know, breath of the
(26:26):
banter right there. And then there's a point where he
thinks that she's saying that callous is the warriors, like, wait,
he's the warrior, like I thought I was the warrior.
And then that it's in that moment before he grabs
the bow rifle, he's like, oh wait, I'm missing the point.
It's a matter of like all those things are within me.
So I think that's really so for you to say,
like ask, did we think it was this then and
(26:47):
the other? I think that's what we're all meant to think.
And then we all realize along with Zeb that no,
it's it's it's looking internally as opposed to externally.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I wrote down the child saves the warrior and the
fool like she said that, but I could be wrong
she does.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I think she did say that.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
But it's that that goes back to the shuinrio suzukis
and Buddhism. The beginner's mind is going to supplement the
expert mind, but the expert mind will make sure that
the beginner's mind doesn't go too far off the being
path because of the naivete. So it's always that constant
jinyang balance, which is the force or ashla in this case.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
Yeah, okay, so let's talk about that. That was really cool,
the ashla. That's a new term. I hadn't heard that.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Yeah, I feel like it's kind of like how we
talk about religion or various things like the forces in
so many different ways and in so many different stories,
in different forms, but it all represents something similar enough
to each person depending on.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
How they want to call it.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
So I thought it was like a cool not lesson,
but I thought it was a cool way that they
tackled that, Like, yeah, ashlarized the force and the forces intuition,
and intuition is heart and all these things can be
summed up in however you would like to, if you
if you feel it.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, it's just like look what we just said, Halloween.
Recently here we called Halloween, but you go to like Mexaco,
they have the Day of the Dead. There's other ways
that people celebrate Halloween and what it means. But ultimately
there's similarities, like different but same sort of thing. Uh.
Just like, look, you just touched on religion, Taylor. It's
like to me, it's like the label's one thing, but
it's like, if you believe in these principles, then that's
(28:29):
what it is, and that's what the force is. If
you call it Ashla, if you call it the Force, great,
as long as you believe in these principles, that's really
the core of what matters, which is really what shines
through in this episode. It didn't matter if it was
Ashlar or the Force or whatever. He just Zeb tapped
into that oneness to get them to where accrutiny to be,
but also where he needed to be mentally or ruh,
(28:55):
all right and I really.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
In here prophecy Hondos. Great.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, Well I'll leave with this with lyris On because
one him thinking is the mythological place. But then they
get there and I think one I thought of Themyscira
wonder woman's place, you know, home where you you have
to know where to look in order to get there.
So there's that mythological aspect of it, but it's also
Zeb finding lyris On is also him finding his true self.
(29:28):
So it's like they found the physical place, but he
tucked away his true self and the sense almost like
he put the warrior or the captain Zeb part of
him in like the sunken place. I can get out,
but now give them a lyris on. It's like healing
and knowing that he's not alone the galaxy, like there
are others, and then he can help his people again
because he knows where to take them. But also like
(29:50):
it's like his mind is is one again and that's
why like this is like where the healing begins for
Zeb or from here on out we get like the
true like in Zeb's already awo, but he's gonna be
even more awesome because he's embracing his true self if
that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Yeah, agreed, But I just this is maybe a silly question.
But Zeb believes up until this episode, does he not
believe that he's the last Lassatte.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I think he thinks he's the last one. Like yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
So that moment where you know they they've got like
the the people or the what is it refugees that
are coming out of the crate or the containership and container. Gosh, guys.
I'm so sorry. I don't know what's happening to me.
The container thingy, And I mean that that that moment
is like so significant, right, Like you think you're the
(30:43):
last human on earth and then two other humans come
out of nowhere, and I mean, that's.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Happens to me every morning I wake up.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
So I don't know. I just think that's that's a
really significant moment.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
And you know, it's it's it's sad. It's like bittersweet
because Zeb's gone however many years or decades, believing that
he's the last of it, of his kind, and then
for him to get to like for him to learn
that that's not true and that there's so many more,
which is so encouraging and beautiful.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
But what does he say at the very end?
Speaker 5 (31:21):
He says, I wish I'd written it down, you know,
he says a release, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna just
I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Take off you guys, take care.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
I know why did I bring up the line? And
I don't know what the line is. Somebody out there
listening knows exactly what I'm talking about, you get it.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
It was really beautiful. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
I didn't write it down so that I could actually
sound like I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
None of us are just throwing her a life around.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
No nobody, not a one.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I have no idea. I have no idea.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
I have no idea. My last note is we fueled
him with the force. I don't even know what that means.
I have zero clue. It says imploated star cluster. We
fueled him with the force. I have zero clue.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
That means.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
That sounds cool, sounds right.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
I also don't know what you.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
Mean when I think back to what you said the
last line, he says, it's real.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Okay, well what we all know what you mean? I mean,
like I can't. I can't quote it for batim and
I usually and I'm kind of ashamed of myself that
I can't, But like, I know what you mean. It's
like he's coming to terms of the whole thing. It's
almost like what I think about is that grin on
his face where it's like there were so many down
there and like now I know where I can take them,
and you know, uh, and he knows that, like it's
(32:39):
always going to be there for him. So I mean,
to me, it's like, I think we all got the
message of it. As far as the actual dialogue. Maybe
JC will be able to pull it up.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
But yeah, JC, please save me per usual. But yes,
the last moment of this episode was so touching, and
that's what I have to say about.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That touching that.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Oh dear, Okay, I'm gonna be really honest. I watched
this episode on accident before the last time that we
recorded our podcast, and so it's a little rusty in
my mind because I had done it. It was like
extra credit, and I realized when we were doing our
last records that I had watched one too many episodes.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
So that's why that's why I don't remember. I'm sorry, fair.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Enough, I've done that a couple of weeks in it.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
It goes out the door in a week, but the
at the beginning episode when you refresh as that is
always very helpful.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, okay, good agreed. Well, speaking of getting maybe we'll
get a refresher course and also just a learning course,
because I think that's a national segue for JC to
save us. So, Jac, what do we got for fact
check today? And is it going to be more or
less than an hour?
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I didn't have much for this coming in. I still
don't have a ton. I will go in reverse order
and throw to a life wrath, which is and if
we meet any other lassat, I will show them the way.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Yes, how beautiful is that touching? Touching? It was touching.
It was really touching, so touching that I forgot what
he said, but I remembered how I felt, how it
made me feel. And that's what's important, right.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
That's what matters.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Thanks jac Just a couple other things, Taylor up top.
You mentioned seasonal depression. I just pulled some facts on
seasonal depression because it was a thin fact check episode
for me. You mentioned you're in La Local, La has
one hundred and eighty six clear days a year, one
hundred and six partly cloudy days, and only seventy three
(34:49):
cloudy days, contrasted by Cold Bay, Alaska, which has the
least number of clear days per year at ten.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Oh wow, gosh.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Fifty partly cloudy and three hundred and four.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Cloudy wow oh.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
The worst in the contiguous United States is Mount Washington,
New Hampshire, forty four clear days, seventy seven partly cloudy,
and two hundred and forty four cloudy days a year.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Forty four clear sunny day out of three sixty fives.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yeah, I think I think your case for seasonal depression
just went out the door.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Taylor, Well, you're in the right spot. If you suffer
from it, you're not going to get much better. I
think tempe Arizona is a little bit better than Los
Angeles in terms of clear days. We talked about Tupac.
H you guys ready for this. Yes, the former chief
engineer for death Bro Records named Rick Clifford did a
(36:00):
something on a TUPOC said something on a TUPAC forum
in twenty fourteen that said Tupac told him he was
vying for the role of Mace winduh Star Wars episode one.
WHOA Prior to his death in nineteen ninety six, he
told the engineer he was going to be auditioning for
(36:23):
three movies. One of them was going to be for
George Lucas h No way. That was from an Indie
Wire article from twenty fourteen.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
WHOA Why?
Speaker 6 (36:38):
I mean, I believe it that dude could have done anything,
but that would have been wild so crazy.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
WHOA.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
I've never Jason, I've never heard.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
That that's an incredible fact check. Wow, packed up the
fact check.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
That is what, Jasey, you must have when you Did
you already know that or did you find that?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Actually, don't tell me you already knew it was in
your brain?
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Were you not? Like, Oh my god, I'm about to
blow these people's minds.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I was pretty excited to tell you that Tupac was
almost in Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
What could have been?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
This is where you cross over them in diagram. You're
in Star Wars and Tuba.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Well, I wonder how many people of note have auditioned
for Star Wars that aren't in Star Wars that it
would have really changed it.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I know for certain because he was a friend of mine,
the late Paul Walker audition for Annakin. So do you
know that?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I bet? I bet there's a whole category of that
for Anakin.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
And he was a huge Star Wars like Paul was
like one of the biggest Star Wars nerds like I'd
ever met. If he were still here, he would have
gladly been on this podcast and nerd out with us
for like three hours just about Star Wars. So he
was a he was a Star Wars guy and he
led World of Warcraft. He was like a big computer gamer,
so yeah, he was a lot of the nerdy stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I can't get a over how all of the hippest,
coolest teen stars from my era of like the nineties,
like their characters would beat up their real life people
like Paul Walker and She's all that would definitely beat
(38:22):
up Paul Walker in real Well, Paul Walker in Varsity
Blues would definitely beat up Paul Walker.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
I'm throwing a flag on that because Freddy in real
life would beat up all of his characters.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, here's the other thing. Paul Walker was actually a
brown belt in jiu jitsu, So I'm gonna say I'm
not going to agree with that Paul Walker would choke
out all of his characters a conversation with Freddy. I
know what you mean, but like Paul Walker wasn't the best.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Yeah, we're naming actors that he was, like if he's
got jiu jitsu with him or if he would beat them,
and it was maybe the funniest coversation whatever.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Wait, did he admit to what?
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I don't know if there's someone in LA it was.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
It was hilarious, you know what I'm saying. Did he
admit that he might lose to any of them. Probably not.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Fine, it's too good.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Matthew Lillard right in Scream and all those all those
nineties movies, and he is like the biggest Dungeons and
Dragons nerd. It's so crazy to me being a nerd
from that era and looking at the cool guys on
the movies and now, you know, twenty five years later,
I'm like, oh my god, you guys were all like me.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Wouldn't that have been nice to know?
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Then?
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yes? It was.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
If Paul Walker might have just said, like, I love
D and D.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Well, he's like the biggest and the biggest heart throb
in the world. Yeah, well, oh yeah, do so loves
D and D Like that doesn't surprise me. That's I
don't know why. I can't explain it.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Vin was in the world World of Warcraft too. He
used to play online like with this group. Uh so
he was. He was big into that. I think he
still is interesting.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I mean, at least Henry Cavill, right, beautiful Henry Cavill
in today's day and age is like the biggest Warhammer guy,
the biggest Witcher guy. He is the biggest nerd in
the world.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Really yeah, and he talks about it. He talks about that.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
I mean maybe like when you're you know, Henry cavill
I mean, like who's gonna who's gonna deny his like
I don't know, I don't want to say Michies because
I hate that word, but like or what it represents,
but like his manliness, so he I feel like he
has he hope, I hope feels like perfectly comfortable being like, yeah,
(40:55):
I love video games or I love whatever whatever it is.
I mean, part of.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
It's just a the evolution of society, right, and like
the acceptance of like things that are non sports and
non Greek life as acceptable community based things where it's
not like these people are lesser than I think that's
(41:21):
part of it. I think, you know, it's easier for
Henry to do that than it would have been for
Freddy in nineteen ninety seven. Yes, o, yeah, you know,
would put himself at risk or his career at risk.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah. Shift in the culture. The moment that Marvel student
like MCU took over, that was like the or like
when raymy Spider Man came out. That was the beginning
of the shift. I think because somehow Spider Man crossed
the threshold, and then Iron Man two thousand and seven
was the full on, Oh, this is the thing because
if you look at all the gen z ors, all
of them play D and D and like that's the
coolest thing to do right now with the gen z
(41:56):
So yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
I know that this is a little bit of a
tangent what else is new? But another saying like part
of the zeitgeist and popular culture that I think is
indicative of what you're talking about right now, that like
society has changed and our culture has changed, and there's
been a shift, thankfully, is like the rise of K
(42:19):
pop and k pop stars and like these like beautiful
androgynous Asian guys that wear makeup and you know, like
when I was a teenager that could that would never
like those guys would not have been like the teeny
bopper heart throbs, and now on a global scale they are,
(42:41):
which I'm you know, all for Like, it's just a
shift in what's acceptable, what is manly, what is masculine,
what is a you know, attractive?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
I think it's great.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
I will put out there though, if you roll back
to like nineteen eighty four eighty five eighty six, and
you look at like Motley Crue.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
Guns and yeah, Scorpion Guns.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
N' Roses in eighty seven, like lots of makeup, lots
lots of tight close. So it's it's kind of cool
how it's almost like, you know, you mentioned androgynist David
Bowie or the New York Dolls and it's cool though,
(43:24):
how it's thirty forty years later to come back but
in this like new way.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Yeah, I mean, yes, thank you for bringing that up,
because yes, like David Bowie.
Speaker 8 (43:39):
Was a.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
I mean like there was no one like him and
there will never be another like him, but he was
a bit of an anomaly and he wasn't like a
mainstream He wasn't accepted in the mainstream the way that
Guns and Roses and Motley Crue like those guys were,
I mean in like Spandex and you know, with the
(44:03):
biggest hair and like so much makeup and they were
getting all the girls right. So I appreciate that you
brought that up because I had I hadn't really made
that connection in my mind, but I guess the pendulum
swings right.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, I mean thanks for bringing up I mean because
I was listening to K pop kind of I had
to do it like in secret in the nineties. I
mean people talk about BTS, Oh yeah, there was there
was ult so there's people like BTS was the one
and Black painper are the ones that really pushed through.
And then now Kipop Demon Hunters took it to the
whole other level on a global scale. But in the nineties,
we had a band called Up. There was Geniushan, there
(44:37):
was Hot you know, there was b Rain who ended
up being a ninja assass And I was listening to
those cassette tapes kind of like because my aunts and
uncles gave those to me to like listen, like here's
some Kareem music, like, oh this is dope, but like
I had to listen to it secretly on my walkman
because of the fear of being completely you know, with
(44:58):
my huge aversion to embarrassment, just like knowing that people
would make fun of on them because it was so different,
because it wasn't Nirvana, which I loved. I loved Nirvana,
and I loved all the mainstream bands of the nineties,
but uh yeah, I was k pop goes way back,
even further back than the nineties, which can be a
whole other special and uh and I will say this,
and depending on when this airs, it might have released already.
(45:20):
I'm doing a shoot in like a week from recording today.
That's kind of K pop related, That's all I'll say. Like,
once you see it, you know you're like, oh, okay,
Like it's it's something I've been prepping for the last month.
You know it's gonna be something fun ish. It's yeah, yeah,
I could have been prompting if I was in high school.
Now with all the K pop lovel's, I.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Know you know what part of it is.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Also is I feel like all of the like quote
unquote loser kids who grew up playing D and D
they are also the people who are running every writer's
room in Hollywood now mm hm.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
The creativity.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
It just foster create activity and play and imagination that
I think serves. I think that's part of the other
breakthrough is the people who are doing a lot of
the creating and a lot of the writing come from
those those roots back in the day when if you
listen to K pop, you got beat up. You wore
(46:20):
Star Wars shirt, you get beat up.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
And if you did both like me, Well, yeah, I'm
really fast. Yeah, anything else, Jasey, I know, we went
on our side quest.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
I've got a bunch of other things. Actually, they mentioned
by name which we talked with gil Roy about last week.
Ashla was the original name for Ahsoka that they changed
to Ashoka. Then he gave us the background on changing
that to Ahsoka. I believe that you guys discuss a
(46:52):
little bit different names for the four different ways to
access the Night Sisters use like incantation and chanting to
access something they call magic, which is just another name
essentially for the Force and another way to access that.
Ashla is also the name given to the Light side
(47:13):
of the Forest by the Bendu who shows up at
the end of Rebels, and of course the little to
Gruta Jedi from episode two.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
You were going for your.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I was going to go for that.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
The other question, Taylor, you said, can you explain outer rim,
wild space, unknown regions, all of that. So if you
think of the Star Wars galaxy, and I brought a
visual aid, but if you think of the Star Wars
galaxy as if it's a balloon full of sand that's
(47:51):
dropped and explodes out, and each kernel of sand is
a star or a star system where the balloon hits
will be the highest concentration and the densest amount of sand.
And as it gets further away from that impact point,
the sand granules get more and more sparse and farther
and farther apart. So when you're talking about the Star
(48:14):
Wars galaxy, there is the deep core, in which the
stars are so close together that you almost can't navigate it,
because is that what they call it, the deep core
deep Core. Then there's the core planets like Coruscant, alder
On some of those planets. There's the inner Rim, which
(48:35):
would be and forgive me if I'm a little bit wrong,
but more like like Karelia style. There's the mid Rim,
which it would be like a Naboo both Y, which
many Bothins died to bring us this information their home planet.
Then you get to the outer Rim, which is like
the tattooin, the Kessels, the mon Cow, the Lothal, well,
(49:00):
all of those things that are like wild Wild West,
which is really run by the huts. It's a very
you know, if you refer back to episode one, Captain
Panaka doesn't want to bring Queen Amidala to Tatuin because
the huts are gangstas like Tupac.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I heard.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
So once you get out beyond beyond the outer Rim,
there's a small region called wild space, which is very
much like the bush, the wild wild West, the unexplored
kind of, but people kind of know what's out there.
And then all the way unlike what would be like
(49:46):
kind of the westerly side of a flattened galaxy map
is the unknown regions. Unknown regions is where grand Emerald
Thron and the Chists come from and and are those
are unexplored, it's uncharted, it's not nobody goes out in
(50:06):
that space because you don't the star charts haven't been
mapped been mapped, so nobody knows if you're going to
fly through a star too close to a supernova or whatever.
Han Solo says in a New Hope. But that's also
why fast forward to Ahsoka. They hide inside of Pergol
(50:28):
to go out to the Unknown Regions where Grand Emirald
Fraun is and where they think Ezra is. That's kind
of where that world is, which will tie into our
next episode we're going to talk about next week.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Wow, Klidman, that's uh star wars there. That's good.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Apparently the C and JC as cartographer because.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Soball in then.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
No hawk would be probably outer rim, outer and outer
mid room.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
You were so close.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
I mean I had.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
The what's funny John about cartographers. My double major in
college was geography.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
All tracks.
Speaker 10 (51:15):
That's what I love that that was their one. You
know who else geography? You know who else majored in
geography JC? Michael Jordan. Yeah, his major was in geography
at the universe.
Speaker 5 (51:29):
Class degree.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
So take that.
Speaker 5 (51:34):
Wow, I have no idea geography is one of my
favorite subjects JC.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
So, because Michael Jordan needs to be brought down a
couple of pigs from being the greatest ever, I will
say that geography was I took geography because it was
the shortest double major that I could take. I was
eventually a computer science major, and then I started to
have to take data structures and high level math, and
(52:00):
I bailed quickly, said give me the maps.
Speaker 4 (52:05):
We're all capitals, say less.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
You know, you know a class we all had freshman year,
all the athletes, we all took geology aka rocks for jocks,
make keep you eligible because it was literally like one
rock a week. Quiz was like, Hey, what walk, can
we go overed geology? But then they changed it luckily
after I did it. But it's like everyone took geology
there freshman year, we took rocks Ford Jocks. It was
(52:30):
the best jobs.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Geography was close to that, and astronomy was close to that.
I took astronomy with many future NFL players at University
of Miami.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
I feel like I've learned so much this episode, and
yet we I anyway didn't really anything you sul to say,
but I learned a lot from you guys, So thank you.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
You're welcome, right, Jim.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
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You guys ready for this?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
The former chief engineer for death Bro Records said something
on a Tupac forum in twenty fourteen that said Tupac
told him he was vying for the role of Mace
Windu in Star Wars episode one.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Hey everybody, this is T. S. R.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
Car, the voice of Sabine Wren Specter five, and you
are listening to Pod of Rebellion, and we're.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
So thrilled for you to be here with us.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
I am not alone with me.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I've got what's up? What's up?
Speaker 6 (00:49):
It sounded a bit like an MPR at the beginning
of MPR, it was very nice, always worked into a trance.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
I don't know if that's Taylor gray Asbridge you respector
and with us we have?
Speaker 5 (01:02):
And what's up? Everybody?
Speaker 7 (01:02):
It's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Dula Specter number two.
Speaker 8 (01:06):
And today we are also joined by.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Hey everybody, it's your friendly neighborhood moderator John Ley Brody,
and today we're going over Star Wars Rebel season two,
episode fourteen, Legends of the Lessaque. But first, as always,
it's family checking time. How is everybody doing?
Speaker 5 (01:23):
I thought I was fine, but apparently I'm a little loopy.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm hitting my like natural. I had this since I
was young.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Now I have like the understanding of it, like it's
a seasonal depression. It's like it gets so dark so early,
and I genuinely, no matter where I've lived, whether in
the States somewhere, I'm like this time November, I'm just like, well,
I mean, it's gonna get dark early. Today's they're gonna
be what they're gonna be. But there's been very positive
(01:52):
things in the worldly. So it's that's how being lifted up.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yes, yeah, it's well said. Also, I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
The day after Daylight Savings, I daylight saving right, Sorry,
I looked out the window and I was like, oh,
it's it's already nighttime. I was like working on something.
I was like, oh it starting nighttime five twenty nine pm.
I was like, oh no, it's that time of year.
I want. I love when it's like light until eight
(02:21):
thirty and it's warm outside, and said, this is not
my season, this is not my jam. But you know what,
it's fine because good things are happening in the world
and it's thrilling.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So yes, it is, yes, but that'sa how are you doing?
Speaker 8 (02:35):
Doing great all as well? Yeah, happy to be here.
Good to see you guys always.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yes, yeah, John, how are you?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I'm gonna thank you for asking. Okay, I gotta say this.
We didn't get to talk about this yet, obviously, but
Tia your Halloween costume as Tupakshakor. Now. I had three reactions,
and the order is this. I was scrolling through, as
one does on Instagram. I'm like, oh wow, that is
a great two box your core costume. Second reaction, I
was like, holy crap, that's TEA. Third reaction was did
(03:05):
you anyone hear it was better than Coachella? Let me
tell you. But the third reaction was did anyone ever
watch that show? A different world? Yeah? It was one
like Jasmine Guy and Dwayne Way. So in the later seasons,
when Jada Pinkett joins the cast, Tupac Shakur makes a
guest cameo as like.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
That's what led them to date?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
A uh huh yeah, and his whole entrance and that.
So I was mimicking what everyone said. When Tupac showed up,
I was like, play. That was my third reaction, this
is your Tupac ossume.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Well, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I was interest.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It was so good, and I'm a huge Tupac fan.
When I first got my license, I was always blasting
California love or hit him up because I thought I
was hard in the suburbs of Chicago. Yeah, in my
fifty I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
You were at least in the suburbs of Chicago. I
was in Arlington, Texas, a suburb between like Dallas and
Fort Worth, and I was, I was, I was and
stilliam Tupac's number one fan and I will die on
this hill that he's the goat Taylor, do you have.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Anything to say about that?
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Guys, I'm Southern California. I was bumping it with everyone
else who bumped it the biggest.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I think Tubac is the greatest. Do love, Biggie.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
It's a tough one winning right here, and but also
Kendrick because me so, but I'm right or die so
cow like I was bumping Tupac for suow.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Do we agree on something for one.
Speaker 8 (04:40):
I'm freaking out.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
I've never been more comfortable in Halloween costume. Usually my
Halloween costumes are you know, I'm cold and I'm wearing
very high heels, and you know, I felt great but
I was freaking a lot of people out, as I
probably freaked you John. Yeah, everyone that was at the
party that I was at was like, oh my god,
(05:03):
it's you, which also felt good.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It was so good though, and I was like wow,
and I don't know if I've ever seen I just
you know, obviously I wasn't expecting it.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
My first word association is in ts R. Carr. But
it is. It is, yeah, but it is.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
That is an association I will be very proud to
hang on to.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Also, you guys, full disclosure. I cannot get.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I can't get the thug life temporary tattoo good.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
I had to get this for a lot of jobs,
and I've scrubbed where it starts bleeding.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Like how do you get them?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
What's the uh it's like.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Nail polish, yeah, running on stuff. But then genuinely, don't
use anything scrubbing. Use like your finger and it will
come up like the yah of your finger.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Okay, because at the moment I keep forgetting it's on
and I'm like, oh right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Oh hit him up all right? But yes, tupac Lego
lyrical genius. And there's a new biography out about him
written by Jeff Pearlman, who I'm friendly with. He wrote
this great biography about bo Jackson. He's done a lot
of great sports biographies. He just did won a Tupac Shakur.
The title of it escased me. I'm sorry, Jeff, but
a little shameless plug for you, my friend, because I need.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, it's gonna be on my, like my holiday reading
list for sure. I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Thanks for that absolutely so great stocking stuffer for all
of you all. If you uh, you know what says
I love you and Merry Christmas and happy Holidays more
than a Tupac Shakur biography. Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you
have answers, then right in. But I don't think we're
gonna get any emails about that. All right, So shall
we jump into this episode of Star Wars our bulls.
I mean, we can just make it a Tupac episode.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I'm I mean, how much time do you have?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, I mean we got we got the hours, so lot.
We should maybe do like a remix of one of
the episodes to see if you know how like Dark
Side of the Moon, what if there's like a Tupacs
on that sinks up perfectly with like a Star Wars episode.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Like that would make Rebels even cooler, I know, even cooler.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Oh okay, Twitter Verse and you know the Internet, all
of you wonderful listeners out there. Everyone's so creative and thoughtful,
and somebody, somebody out there has got to be like, oh,
it's this song and it's this episode. Please let us know.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, I could see like when ez Rick gets on
like the speeder bike, like California, though it just like
feeds off, you know, something like that.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I want like a deeper cut, like like Brenda's got
a baby. Yeah, I'm just I'm just comes around. Yeah yeah, yeah,
oh no, we feel differently about Harara having that baby.
Even this might be a very niche for some of
(07:57):
our listeners who are young perhaps or not. What we're
listening to Tupac and Piggie.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
And we really cover a widespread I think about it.
They're not they're not things that often go together, which
makes it fun. But it's very true we find the
person in the middle of them.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
When that then diagram overlaps, there's nothing better. When when
I get like a message being like I love whatever.
Let's just say the Longhorns just as an idea.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
I don't think there's a long horned Tupac Star Wars
fan outside of you.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
It's me, oh.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Outside of me. Hey, if you are a Longhorn fan,
slash Star Wars fan, stash Tupuc fan, please add at me,
because I really want to know.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Then there'll be.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
Two of us.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
If these cricket sounds, I would right now.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
They're out there. I know you are, let me know.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Let us go.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Glen Powell, I bet you that's you. I bet that's
Glenn Powell because I know he's a long Horns fan.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
He was in the game.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I know he's one of three of the three, so
maybe he's the other two as well.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And McConaughey say, will hold on, hold on long hone
and I love Masta War. So here we go, all right,
So Larry Scot's get into the recap of Season two,
episode fourteen, Legends of the Lisade original air date February third,
twenty sixteen. Ezra, like Antonio Benders in two thousand and six,
gets to take the lead on this latest rescue mission
for the Ghost Crew to free some refugees, and a
(09:18):
few surprises present themselves. The refugees are less known as
Gron and Chad are the wise Zeb's people. Azra's intel
for this mission was the untrustworthy friend of me Hondo Onaka,
and Zeb is a captain. As the group makes their exit,
they see that Hondo, like Rick James, is an habitual
line stepper. One minute, he stepping in the direction of
helping the Empire, the next he stepping towards helping the
Ghost crew, and then back to stepping towards the Empire again.
(09:40):
The crew barely makes your escape and sets course for
lear Song. Only problem is mythical places like Learisan aren't
something you can find via GPS. It is only through
the ritual that fulfills the prophecy of the Fool, the
Child and the Warrior that Lerisong could be revealed. But
Zeb is very skeptical through it all and claims Lerisan
is not a real place. What we find out that
skepticism is Zeb's mass to cover up the survivor's guilt
(10:01):
and feeling that he failed his people so long ago.
But thanks to Ezra, he's able to realize that while
he can't change the past, he does have a chance
to make the most of the present. So Zeb fully
leans into the Lassat ritual and the location of Lerisan
is revealed. But it's never that easy, and imploded star
cluster gravity field anominally stands in their way, and on
top of that, thanks to Hondo, Callous and the Empire
are on their heels. But this is where Zeb, like
(10:23):
Channing Tatum, gets the step up by embracing this Lasot's
spiritual oneness and using his bow rifle the channel the Ashlo.
Like the ancient ones, the ghost is able to power
through to the other side, right to Lerisan. Zeb now
has peace of mind, knowing that there's a safe haven
for Lasots and knowing that his motherland is always there.
And that is the recap for Season two, episode fourteen,
Legends at the Lissa Rah is the.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Very first reference Internio Banderi.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Yeah, I didn't get that one either.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
He was in a dance movie called Take the Lead
and this is what as this is as Antonio was
starting to kind of fade away from the public euye.
But he us it was one of those more obscure
Mary deep cut New Benders movies. Yeah, I like that. Yeah,
both him and Channing Tatum both at dance movies. That
your Channing Tatam of course had Step Up, and then
Antonio Benderis had take the lead. We all know which
(11:09):
one we remember a little bit.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Yeah, yeah, I remember running around the living room. I
remember seeing that movie with my brother, which is hilarious,
and we would run slide with the pillows from our
couch in the living room on the hardwood floor, trying
to spin on our head and we would hold the
other person nice because of Step Up, And it just
(11:31):
makes I always think about that with movies. They're like
even Star Wars, like you imagine how many people are
probably with their siblings or their friends whatever, like playing
with lightsabers or jet packs or whatever it might be, and.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
It's it's got to be so fun.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
How much like movies influenced that because I would never
think I would be doing that with my brother.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
But Step Up, Step Up is a great movie.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It is a really good movie.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
So many of those dance movies are under locking.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
In the mirror.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I remember, Yeah, I missed that era of movies, like
there was even Step Up to the Streets and then
Step Up three D and then there was a stop
the Yard.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Dump the Yard. Yes that isn't that I.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Think so, But we can. We can we can double
cross reference when we get the fact we got a
fact check yard the yard.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Okay delete delete that's if I'm wrong, please all right.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So initial, this would have been a great episode to
have Steve on, But I know, I don't know how
much Steve are members of the show because I don't
I think he's kind of along the same wavelength as you, Taylor.
It's kind of like he did it and then he
moves on. But we should just get Steve back anyway
at some point.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I don't know, I feel like he yeah, I mean,
I feel like he anyway, even if we don't talk
about Star Wars. I would love to have Steve back
on just to like, because I love that guy and
he has He's so entertaining and fun to talk to
and fun to listen to. But I feel like he
would have some insight into stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, maybe if they have to the episode again and
that'll spark some sort of memory for him, because I mean,
I don't think I could say, hey, do you remember
the thing where you had in the bull rifle? I
don't know, he probably like vaguely, but I think maybe
if he watched it, then maybe that'll unlock some key
memories for him. But maybe maybe our next fan Q
and A, maybe we can see if the Steve.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Oh yeah, that'd be good.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
That could be fun.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I thought this was a really cool episode.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
I remembered it, but I didn't remember I remembered it
on a macro level, but I didn't remember the details.
And I just I mean, I think my feelings about
Steve as a human being and as an actor are
pretty clear, and I think all of you guys agree.
But he's just so good, Like I just love him
(13:43):
getting more screen time, and he's just so good at
going from like funny, you know, being able to.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Deliver all of these I mean.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
He's so zeb is so funny, but also then having
these opportunities to like dig a little deeper and you know,
be emotional without you know again getting like getting too crazy,
being over the top with it. He's just so he's
just so good.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I just want more, you know, I.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
Felt the same. I also I loved Gray Delisle.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Oh that's great.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
Yeah, she was amazing, so great, And I thought last
night I had a crazy night.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Technical stuff. I think Mercury's in retrograde or something's going on.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
Anyway, but I finally got around to looking at the
epsille like, oh this one.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
I thought about texting her last night and going, what
are you doing tomorrow?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Like yeah, but I know her con schedule is insaying
she's probably on a plane going somewhere. But I would
love to speak to her because it was she really
she's so talented, but also this vital piece of history,
like we didn't know that zeb was such a high
(15:01):
ranking officer and this whole thing about the fool and
the child and all the sort of poetry and myth
of that. How what it was like for her to
come down And she's been in a million other Star
Wars things, but I remember, I think, and it was
Gary Anthony Williams who was with her as well. I
do remember coming in and I feel like we saw
(15:23):
gray in passing, which is which makes sense because she's
on like a million cartoons. She probably had to come
when she could do her lines and leave. But do
you guys remember them being there to record this or
not at all?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I only remember chanting with Oh. I remember I remembering
and Dave being.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Like, just do what they do, and I was like, okay,
like that's the only part of this episode I remember.
Speaker 8 (15:52):
Yeah, interesting.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Oh sorry, sorry, I'll be sorry. I didn't want to interrupt.
I'd to opened this store and so sorry, it's okay.
Speaker 8 (16:02):
That was the cutest picture.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Sorry. I remember you chanting then too. I feel like
it took you a minute to get.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Into the day, was like, uh, it was they were
saying different than it was written, and then he was like, well,
just follow them. But also you don't know what's going
on in the scene, so just like he was like,
we're gonna watch the process if you figure out what
this thing is.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And so I just remember them chanting and trying.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
To do that's really funny.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
It was like so meta, like you were like, what's
happening and she was like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That like a lot of things with.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Like literally he was like, yeah, you are you as
I mean, Ezra also doesn't have any idea what's supposed
to be happening right now. He's just kind of going
with the flows. So I do remember you chanting. So yeah, Vanessa,
they must have been in the studio with us.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Yeah, I think she was there briefly, and I felt
like I feel like I saw her in the lobby
coming or going or maybe I wasn't there for all
of that because I didn't have any lines per se
in that.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
Part or something. I'm not sure, but yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
And also did you notice Callous was talking to himself
as a trooper I mean David.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wrote that.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yeah. I was like, was that.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Storm trip stormtrooper David o' yellow?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (17:27):
I noticed that, and I was it was another d
thing And I think I had a hang on in
this one.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You do have a hang on.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
I wrote that down too, Yeah, somewhere that was.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
A good catch.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Also, I like that we now have recurring things. Was
her name chalm or Charms, Java, Chava. She understood Chopper.
Chopper said something and she was like she was like
replied to him in some way where I was like, oh,
I guess lasaw have droid down pretty well.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
But she specifically isn't she kind of a woman? Yeah,
like a sorceress or.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's cool, it's cool to see that kind of Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I liked that a lot.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
I like how all of the art in the show,
like when people draw, including city and it's like chalk.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, there's no medium.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Yeah, oh no, she has a I have a spray. Yeah, also,
you know, I really wanted to ask I should have
asked Henry this, but or did I No, I don't
think I did. Like it must have been so fun
to write dialogue for Hondo. Oh no, I did.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I did ask him.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
I like who improvised the most, because watching this episode,
I'm like, there's no way that a lot of that
was scripted. He just he just has this like amazing
knack for like giving every line a little flavor, a
little something at the beginning, a little button on the end.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
He's so good.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Honda is just such a such a treat to watch, Uh,
Hondo as a character and the and the voice acting.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
I noticed his sniffs a lot. Yeah, you kind of
punctuate something. I don't believe that was written. I was like,
what a nice touch to add the little sniff.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
So good, and then they and then they animate to it,
so then he's been sniffing in the scene.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, that was the other reason I referenced Rick James
and people.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
But I also like the animation, the violins and the music.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
I thought the there were so many unique uh moments
in this I mean, I know, obviously we keep referencing
Canaan's sacrifice and the animation and colors of that, But
I didn't recall sort of when we're going through hyperspace
into a black hole or whatever that was about that
(19:58):
that the animation was superb, the lapter colors, and I'm
trying to remember if we've heard violins like that.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So it wasn't even violin. I'm glad you brought that.
It was a violin. It was like a solo instrument
in this grandiose moment, which because like a solo instrument
is essentially vulnerability, and Zeb is in such a notable
spot and it's his chance to really rise up, which
is a big moment. But it's like that violin is
him in this grand space. I used to I was
(20:27):
an orchestra growing up, so it's like, and I love
classical music, and it reminded me very much like Johan
Sebastian Buck and the Baroque era. He's very much about
minimalism and when you're minimalist, or just like when you
watch me Azaki and Studio Ghibli films, he's very minimalist.
It's like what's not on the screen is really going
to be powerful. So like it could have been a
huge orchestra, which which the John will that would be
(20:48):
like the John Williams style, the Star Wars style. But
I love that choice and I would love to get
Kevin Kiner on some time to be like, what kind
of discussion was it to choose like one singular violin
in this huge moment where they could have literally died
in that black hole? And I just thought that was
so cool. I'm so glad you brought that up. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It would be really cool to have camera.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
I've been blown away by the music throughout, Like I
think my biggest takeaway if the whole show has been
I'm so I guess because we don't get to hear
it more in the booth, but it's so good like
it every episode is incredible.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
And then I do have a question for JC.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
My Star Wars education and my PhD in Stars has
not gone to this point yet when they talk about
the outer rim wild space, could you give me the
two minute ted X talk on like where, because I
don't know in the movies that they necessarily really map
it out, and I've seen in different shows. I think
I remember seeing something like Skeleton Crew they like show it,
(21:47):
or they'll show on a big map like Okay, this
is further out, but like, what exactly does that entail
when there's like outer rim wild space.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Making that makes sense would be nice.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
Now the uncharted territory, I love it says that now
that this is charted, we can come back here.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
That was really sweet, but also it punctuated the fact
that they were in the unknown or the wild wester
what did you call it? Wild spaces?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, wild space. I think at least that I wrote down,
it could just be me.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Yeah, I like it, I buy it.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I'll take it. Yeah. So to go back with Zeb
and also Steve, you know this kind of fiells. Remember
when the inquisitor siblings show up and then Zeb steps up,
because at that point we don't know a whole lot
about him, so we're kind of like, oh, maybe he
just used to being the number two or the number three,
but then we find out no, he was the guy
(22:44):
at some point. So now it's this whole layer of
was this like a reluctant greatness or him running from
his natural greatness but now like coming to terms with
what happened in the past, and almost kind of transcending it.
So it's like he had this sort of wounded king
archetype this whole time, but now he's like, oh now
I feel it won that whole fool child and spirit
(23:05):
spiritual oneness. I just feel like that arc within twenty
two minutes of healing Zeb, but now he's on the
path to healing. I just thought that was so cool.
And I know the we talk a lot about philosophy.
I would love to just kind of hear your thoughts
and that sort of character expansion and where Zeb is
going from like here on out.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Well maybe a question for JC and I'm not sure,
but this these archetypes of the fool, the warrior, and
the child.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
I was trying to play some I was like, well, the.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Fool is definitely Hondo because sniff sniff, he's right there, right,
I think, I don't know, But then and I thought
the warrior was Zeb, but then he's the child.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
I was a little confused.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
And is that some sort of known archetypal structure in
storytelling that was just sort of placed onto this or
that was something unique to just this this episode.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
I'm I mean, I've heard mythic.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
If I may to me My interpretation was he was
all three.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
Yeah, ultimately.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, it's Shunrio Suzuki's don Buddhism. So because Shunrio Suzuki
is all about shoshin the beginner's mind, which is when
you're a beginner and you're new, you're open to everything,
but then when you become an expert, you're kind of like, no,
this is the only way to do it. And the
key is the balance those two things. So Zab needs
the embodiment of the warrior, of the naivete fool, but
also the child who has like faith in wonder and
(24:28):
thinks nothing's impossible, Like he had to realize he had
to do all three. That was my interpretation. Maybe there's
a deeper thing with Star Wars, but yeah, that's how
I interpreted it.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Yeah, I got that he was all three ultimately, But
I didn't know if you guys wondered, you know that
if it might be hand or this or that, or
what your thought process was, or or you just sort
of let it unfold to where she revealed that he
is both the child and the warrior and also the fool.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I don't know, uh, did she reveal that he did
she reveal that he's all three, because I thought that
she only sort of clude him in on the fact
that he's the child, and he was quite you.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
Know, I thought it was the child and the warrior.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Well then wouldn't it make sense that he's all three.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
That's I don't know, We're gonna have to like send JC.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, my biggest negro was he was a captain.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Yeah, that was I loved that moment because, you know,
we often are. I feel like Zeb is often like
the Jester, the you know, the muscle, but also like
the source of all the comedy.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
No, but and so to to learn that about him and.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
His past and it kind of just gives him, I
don't know, like adds a weight and a gravitas to
him that obviously I don't mean physically, but just like you,
it's like respect for I had forgotten that part and
I was like, oh, that's right. I love that.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah. Yeah, So I think Vanessa, back to what you
were saying, I think we're meant to think that way,
trying to piece that puzzle together, just like zebis. It's
almost like we're in Zeb's shoes throughout the whole thing.
So he thinks, well, I'm the warrior. It's like, no,
I wanted to be the warrior. And then the whole
thing as you just like, well, you're kind of acting
like a child. So it was that whole thing which
I thought was the fun you know, breath of the
(26:26):
banter right there. And then there's a point where he
thinks that she's saying that callous is the warriors, like, wait,
he's the warrior, like I thought I was the warrior.
And then that it's in that moment before he grabs
the bow rifle, he's like, oh wait, I'm missing the point.
It's a matter of like all those things are within me.
So I think that's really so for you to say,
like ask, did we think it was this then and
(26:47):
the other? I think that's what we're all meant to think.
And then we all realize along with Zeb that no,
it's it's it's looking internally as opposed to externally.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I wrote down the child saves the warrior and the
fool like she said that, but I could be wrong
she does.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I think she did say that.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
But it's that that goes back to the shuinrio suzukis
and Buddhism. The beginner's mind is going to supplement the
expert mind, but the expert mind will make sure that
the beginner's mind doesn't go too far off the being
path because of the naivete. So it's always that constant
jinyang balance, which is the force or ashla in this case.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
Yeah, okay, so let's talk about that. That was really cool,
the ashla. That's a new term. I hadn't heard that.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Yeah, I feel like it's kind of like how we
talk about religion or various things like the forces in
so many different ways and in so many different stories,
in different forms, but it all represents something similar enough
to each person depending on.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
How they want to call it.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
So I thought it was like a cool not lesson,
but I thought it was a cool way that they
tackled that, Like, yeah, ashlarized the force and the forces intuition,
and intuition is heart and all these things can be
summed up in however you would like to, if you
if you feel it.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, it's just like look what we just said, Halloween.
Recently here we called Halloween, but you go to like Mexaco,
they have the Day of the Dead. There's other ways
that people celebrate Halloween and what it means. But ultimately
there's similarities, like different but same sort of thing. Uh.
Just like, look, you just touched on religion, Taylor. It's
like to me, it's like the label's one thing, but
it's like, if you believe in these principles, then that's
(28:29):
what it is, and that's what the force is. If
you call it Ashla, if you call it the Force, great,
as long as you believe in these principles, that's really
the core of what matters, which is really what shines
through in this episode. It didn't matter if it was
Ashlar or the Force or whatever. He just Zeb tapped
into that oneness to get them to where accrutiny to be,
but also where he needed to be mentally or ruh,
(28:55):
all right and I really.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
In here prophecy Hondos. Great.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, Well I'll leave with this with lyris On because
one him thinking is the mythological place. But then they
get there and I think one I thought of Themyscira
wonder woman's place, you know, home where you you have
to know where to look in order to get there.
So there's that mythological aspect of it, but it's also
Zeb finding lyris On is also him finding his true self.
(29:28):
So it's like they found the physical place, but he
tucked away his true self and the sense almost like
he put the warrior or the captain Zeb part of
him in like the sunken place. I can get out,
but now give them a lyris on. It's like healing
and knowing that he's not alone the galaxy, like there
are others, and then he can help his people again
because he knows where to take them. But also like
(29:50):
it's like his mind is is one again and that's
why like this is like where the healing begins for
Zeb or from here on out we get like the
true like in Zeb's already awo, but he's gonna be
even more awesome because he's embracing his true self if
that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Yeah, agreed, But I just this is maybe a silly question.
But Zeb believes up until this episode, does he not
believe that he's the last Lassatte.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I think he thinks he's the last one. Like yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
So that moment where you know they they've got like
the the people or the what is it refugees that
are coming out of the crate or the containership and container. Gosh, guys.
I'm so sorry. I don't know what's happening to me.
The container thingy, And I mean that that that moment
is like so significant, right, Like you think you're the
(30:43):
last human on earth and then two other humans come
out of nowhere, and I mean, that's.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Happens to me every morning I wake up.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
So I don't know. I just think that's that's a
really significant moment.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
And you know, it's it's it's sad. It's like bittersweet
because Zeb's gone however many years or decades, believing that
he's the last of it, of his kind, and then
for him to get to like for him to learn
that that's not true and that there's so many more,
which is so encouraging and beautiful.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
But what does he say at the very end?
Speaker 5 (31:21):
He says, I wish I'd written it down, you know,
he says a release, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna just
I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Take off you guys, take care.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
I know why did I bring up the line? And
I don't know what the line is. Somebody out there
listening knows exactly what I'm talking about, you get it.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
It was really beautiful. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
I didn't write it down so that I could actually
sound like I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
None of us are just throwing her a life around.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
No nobody, not a one.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I have no idea. I have no idea.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
I have no idea. My last note is we fueled
him with the force. I don't even know what that means.
I have zero clue. It says imploated star cluster. We
fueled him with the force. I have zero clue.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
That means.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
That sounds cool, sounds right.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
I also don't know what you.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
Mean when I think back to what you said the
last line, he says, it's real.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Okay, well what we all know what you mean? I mean,
like I can't. I can't quote it for batim and
I usually and I'm kind of ashamed of myself that
I can't, But like, I know what you mean. It's
like he's coming to terms of the whole thing. It's
almost like what I think about is that grin on
his face where it's like there were so many down
there and like now I know where I can take them,
and you know, uh, and he knows that, like it's
(32:39):
always going to be there for him. So I mean,
to me, it's like, I think we all got the
message of it. As far as the actual dialogue. Maybe
JC will be able to pull it up.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
But yeah, JC, please save me per usual. But yes,
the last moment of this episode was so touching, and
that's what I have to say about.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That touching that.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Oh dear, Okay, I'm gonna be really honest. I watched
this episode on accident before the last time that we
recorded our podcast, and so it's a little rusty in
my mind because I had done it. It was like
extra credit, and I realized when we were doing our
last records that I had watched one too many episodes.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
So that's why that's why I don't remember. I'm sorry, fair.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Enough, I've done that a couple of weeks in it.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
It goes out the door in a week, but the
at the beginning episode when you refresh as that is
always very helpful.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, okay, good agreed. Well, speaking of getting maybe we'll
get a refresher course and also just a learning course,
because I think that's a national segue for JC to
save us. So, Jac, what do we got for fact
check today? And is it going to be more or
less than an hour?
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I didn't have much for this coming in. I still
don't have a ton. I will go in reverse order
and throw to a life wrath, which is and if
we meet any other lassat, I will show them the way.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Yes, how beautiful is that touching? Touching? It was touching.
It was really touching, so touching that I forgot what
he said, but I remembered how I felt, how it
made me feel. And that's what's important, right.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
That's what matters.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Thanks jac Just a couple other things, Taylor up top.
You mentioned seasonal depression. I just pulled some facts on
seasonal depression because it was a thin fact check episode
for me. You mentioned you're in La Local, La has
one hundred and eighty six clear days a year, one
hundred and six partly cloudy days, and only seventy three
(34:49):
cloudy days, contrasted by Cold Bay, Alaska, which has the
least number of clear days per year at ten.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Oh wow, gosh.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Fifty partly cloudy and three hundred and four.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Cloudy wow oh.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
The worst in the contiguous United States is Mount Washington,
New Hampshire, forty four clear days, seventy seven partly cloudy,
and two hundred and forty four cloudy days a year.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Forty four clear sunny day out of three sixty fives.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yeah, I think I think your case for seasonal depression
just went out the door.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Taylor, Well, you're in the right spot. If you suffer
from it, you're not going to get much better. I
think tempe Arizona is a little bit better than Los
Angeles in terms of clear days. We talked about Tupac.
H you guys ready for this. Yes, the former chief
engineer for death Bro Records named Rick Clifford did a
(36:00):
something on a TUPOC said something on a TUPAC forum
in twenty fourteen that said Tupac told him he was
vying for the role of Mace winduh Star Wars episode one.
WHOA Prior to his death in nineteen ninety six, he
told the engineer he was going to be auditioning for
(36:23):
three movies. One of them was going to be for
George Lucas h No way. That was from an Indie
Wire article from twenty fourteen.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
WHOA Why?
Speaker 6 (36:38):
I mean, I believe it that dude could have done anything,
but that would have been wild so crazy.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
WHOA.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
I've never Jason, I've never heard.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
That that's an incredible fact check. Wow, packed up the
fact check.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
That is what, Jasey, you must have when you Did
you already know that or did you find that?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Actually, don't tell me you already knew it was in
your brain?
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Were you not? Like, Oh my god, I'm about to
blow these people's minds.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I was pretty excited to tell you that Tupac was
almost in Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
What could have been?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
This is where you cross over them in diagram. You're
in Star Wars and Tuba.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Well, I wonder how many people of note have auditioned
for Star Wars that aren't in Star Wars that it
would have really changed it.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I know for certain because he was a friend of mine,
the late Paul Walker audition for Annakin. So do you
know that?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I bet? I bet there's a whole category of that
for Anakin.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
And he was a huge Star Wars like Paul was
like one of the biggest Star Wars nerds like I'd
ever met. If he were still here, he would have
gladly been on this podcast and nerd out with us
for like three hours just about Star Wars. So he
was a he was a Star Wars guy and he
led World of Warcraft. He was like a big computer gamer,
so yeah, he was a lot of the nerdy stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I can't get a over how all of the hippest,
coolest teen stars from my era of like the nineties,
like their characters would beat up their real life people
like Paul Walker and She's all that would definitely beat
(38:22):
up Paul Walker in real Well, Paul Walker in Varsity
Blues would definitely beat up Paul Walker.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
I'm throwing a flag on that because Freddy in real
life would beat up all of his characters.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, here's the other thing. Paul Walker was actually a
brown belt in jiu jitsu, So I'm gonna say I'm
not going to agree with that Paul Walker would choke
out all of his characters a conversation with Freddy. I
know what you mean, but like Paul Walker wasn't the best.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Yeah, we're naming actors that he was, like if he's
got jiu jitsu with him or if he would beat them,
and it was maybe the funniest coversation whatever.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Wait, did he admit to what?
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I don't know if there's someone in LA it was.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
It was hilarious, you know what I'm saying. Did he
admit that he might lose to any of them. Probably not.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Fine, it's too good.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Matthew Lillard right in Scream and all those all those
nineties movies, and he is like the biggest Dungeons and
Dragons nerd. It's so crazy to me being a nerd
from that era and looking at the cool guys on
the movies and now, you know, twenty five years later,
I'm like, oh my god, you guys were all like me.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Wouldn't that have been nice to know?
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Then?
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yes? It was.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
If Paul Walker might have just said, like, I love
D and D.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Well, he's like the biggest and the biggest heart throb
in the world. Yeah, well, oh yeah, do so loves
D and D Like that doesn't surprise me. That's I
don't know why. I can't explain it.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Vin was in the world World of Warcraft too. He
used to play online like with this group. Uh so
he was. He was big into that. I think he
still is interesting.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I mean, at least Henry Cavill, right, beautiful Henry Cavill
in today's day and age is like the biggest Warhammer guy,
the biggest Witcher guy. He is the biggest nerd in
the world.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Really yeah, and he talks about it. He talks about that.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
I mean maybe like when you're you know, Henry cavill
I mean, like who's gonna who's gonna deny his like
I don't know, I don't want to say Michies because
I hate that word, but like or what it represents,
but like his manliness, so he I feel like he
has he hope, I hope feels like perfectly comfortable being like, yeah,
(40:55):
I love video games or I love whatever whatever it is.
I mean, part of.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
It's just a the evolution of society, right, and like
the acceptance of like things that are non sports and
non Greek life as acceptable community based things where it's
not like these people are lesser than I think that's
(41:21):
part of it. I think, you know, it's easier for
Henry to do that than it would have been for
Freddy in nineteen ninety seven. Yes, o, yeah, you know,
would put himself at risk or his career at risk.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah. Shift in the culture. The moment that Marvel student
like MCU took over, that was like the or like
when raymy Spider Man came out. That was the beginning
of the shift. I think because somehow Spider Man crossed
the threshold, and then Iron Man two thousand and seven
was the full on, Oh, this is the thing because
if you look at all the gen z ors, all
of them play D and D and like that's the
coolest thing to do right now with the gen z
(41:56):
So yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
I know that this is a little bit of a
tangent what else is new? But another saying like part
of the zeitgeist and popular culture that I think is
indicative of what you're talking about right now, that like
society has changed and our culture has changed, and there's
been a shift, thankfully, is like the rise of K
(42:19):
pop and k pop stars and like these like beautiful
androgynous Asian guys that wear makeup and you know, like
when I was a teenager that could that would never
like those guys would not have been like the teeny
bopper heart throbs, and now on a global scale they are,
(42:41):
which I'm you know, all for Like, it's just a
shift in what's acceptable, what is manly, what is masculine,
what is a you know, attractive?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
I think it's great.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
I will put out there though, if you roll back
to like nineteen eighty four eighty five eighty six, and
you look at like Motley Crue.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
Guns and yeah, Scorpion Guns.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
N' Roses in eighty seven, like lots of makeup, lots
lots of tight close. So it's it's kind of cool
how it's almost like, you know, you mentioned androgynist David
Bowie or the New York Dolls and it's cool though,
(43:24):
how it's thirty forty years later to come back but
in this like new way.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Yeah, I mean, yes, thank you for bringing that up,
because yes, like David Bowie.
Speaker 8 (43:39):
Was a.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
I mean like there was no one like him and
there will never be another like him, but he was
a bit of an anomaly and he wasn't like a
mainstream He wasn't accepted in the mainstream the way that
Guns and Roses and Motley Crue like those guys were,
I mean in like Spandex and you know, with the
(44:03):
biggest hair and like so much makeup and they were
getting all the girls right. So I appreciate that you
brought that up because I had I hadn't really made
that connection in my mind, but I guess the pendulum
swings right.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, I mean thanks for bringing up I mean because
I was listening to K pop kind of I had
to do it like in secret in the nineties. I
mean people talk about BTS, Oh yeah, there was there
was ult so there's people like BTS was the one
and Black painper are the ones that really pushed through.
And then now Kipop Demon Hunters took it to the
whole other level on a global scale. But in the nineties,
we had a band called Up. There was Geniushan, there
(44:37):
was Hot you know, there was b Rain who ended
up being a ninja assass And I was listening to
those cassette tapes kind of like because my aunts and
uncles gave those to me to like listen, like here's
some Kareem music, like, oh this is dope, but like
I had to listen to it secretly on my walkman
because of the fear of being completely you know, with
(44:58):
my huge aversion to embarrassment, just like knowing that people
would make fun of on them because it was so different,
because it wasn't Nirvana, which I loved. I loved Nirvana,
and I loved all the mainstream bands of the nineties,
but uh yeah, I was k pop goes way back,
even further back than the nineties, which can be a
whole other special and uh and I will say this,
and depending on when this airs, it might have released already.
(45:20):
I'm doing a shoot in like a week from recording today.
That's kind of K pop related, That's all I'll say. Like,
once you see it, you know you're like, oh, okay,
Like it's it's something I've been prepping for the last month.
You know it's gonna be something fun ish. It's yeah, yeah,
I could have been prompting if I was in high school.
Now with all the K pop lovel's, I.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Know you know what part of it is.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Also is I feel like all of the like quote
unquote loser kids who grew up playing D and D
they are also the people who are running every writer's
room in Hollywood now mm hm.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
The creativity.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
It just foster create activity and play and imagination that
I think serves. I think that's part of the other
breakthrough is the people who are doing a lot of
the creating and a lot of the writing come from
those those roots back in the day when if you
listen to K pop, you got beat up. You wore
(46:20):
Star Wars shirt, you get beat up.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
And if you did both like me, Well, yeah, I'm
really fast. Yeah, anything else, Jasey, I know, we went
on our side quest.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
I've got a bunch of other things. Actually, they mentioned
by name which we talked with gil Roy about last week.
Ashla was the original name for Ahsoka that they changed
to Ashoka. Then he gave us the background on changing
that to Ahsoka. I believe that you guys discuss a
(46:52):
little bit different names for the four different ways to
access the Night Sisters use like incantation and chanting to
access something they call magic, which is just another name
essentially for the Force and another way to access that.
Ashla is also the name given to the Light side
(47:13):
of the Forest by the Bendu who shows up at
the end of Rebels, and of course the little to
Gruta Jedi from episode two.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
You were going for your.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I was going to go for that.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
The other question, Taylor, you said, can you explain outer rim,
wild space, unknown regions, all of that. So if you
think of the Star Wars galaxy, and I brought a
visual aid, but if you think of the Star Wars
galaxy as if it's a balloon full of sand that's
(47:51):
dropped and explodes out, and each kernel of sand is
a star or a star system where the balloon hits
will be the highest concentration and the densest amount of sand.
And as it gets further away from that impact point,
the sand granules get more and more sparse and farther
and farther apart. So when you're talking about the Star
(48:14):
Wars galaxy, there is the deep core, in which the
stars are so close together that you almost can't navigate it,
because is that what they call it, the deep core
deep Core. Then there's the core planets like Coruscant, alder
On some of those planets. There's the inner Rim, which
(48:35):
would be and forgive me if I'm a little bit wrong,
but more like like Karelia style. There's the mid Rim,
which it would be like a Naboo both Y, which
many Bothins died to bring us this information their home planet.
Then you get to the outer Rim, which is like
the tattooin, the Kessels, the mon Cow, the Lothal, well,
(49:00):
all of those things that are like wild Wild West,
which is really run by the huts. It's a very
you know, if you refer back to episode one, Captain
Panaka doesn't want to bring Queen Amidala to Tatuin because
the huts are gangstas like Tupac.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I heard.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
So once you get out beyond beyond the outer Rim,
there's a small region called wild space, which is very
much like the bush, the wild wild West, the unexplored
kind of, but people kind of know what's out there.
And then all the way unlike what would be like
(49:46):
kind of the westerly side of a flattened galaxy map
is the unknown regions. Unknown regions is where grand Emerald
Thron and the Chists come from and and are those
are unexplored, it's uncharted, it's not nobody goes out in
(50:06):
that space because you don't the star charts haven't been
mapped been mapped, so nobody knows if you're going to
fly through a star too close to a supernova or whatever.
Han Solo says in a New Hope. But that's also
why fast forward to Ahsoka. They hide inside of Pergol
(50:28):
to go out to the Unknown Regions where Grand Emirald
Fraun is and where they think Ezra is. That's kind
of where that world is, which will tie into our
next episode we're going to talk about next week.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Wow, Klidman, that's uh star wars there. That's good.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Apparently the C and JC as cartographer because.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Soball in then.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
No hawk would be probably outer rim, outer and outer
mid room.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
You were so close.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
I mean I had.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
The what's funny John about cartographers. My double major in
college was geography.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
All tracks.
Speaker 10 (51:15):
That's what I love that that was their one. You
know who else geography? You know who else majored in
geography JC? Michael Jordan. Yeah, his major was in geography
at the universe.
Speaker 5 (51:29):
Class degree.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
So take that.
Speaker 5 (51:34):
Wow, I have no idea geography is one of my
favorite subjects JC.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
So, because Michael Jordan needs to be brought down a
couple of pigs from being the greatest ever, I will
say that geography was I took geography because it was
the shortest double major that I could take. I was
eventually a computer science major, and then I started to
have to take data structures and high level math, and
(52:00):
I bailed quickly, said give me the maps.
Speaker 4 (52:05):
We're all capitals, say less.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
You know, you know a class we all had freshman year,
all the athletes, we all took geology aka rocks for jocks,
make keep you eligible because it was literally like one
rock a week. Quiz was like, Hey, what walk, can
we go overed geology? But then they changed it luckily
after I did it. But it's like everyone took geology
there freshman year, we took rocks Ford Jocks. It was
(52:30):
the best jobs.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Geography was close to that, and astronomy was close to that.
I took astronomy with many future NFL players at University
of Miami.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
I feel like I've learned so much this episode, and
yet we I anyway didn't really anything you sul to say,
but I learned a lot from you guys, So thank you.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
You're welcome, right, Jim.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Potter. Rebellion is produced in partnership with iHeart Podcasts Producing,
hosted by Vanessa Marshall, Tia Surkar, Taylor Gray and John
may Brody Executive producer and in house star Wars guru
slash back checker j c Riifenberg. Our music was composed
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