Thank You, Jazz: An Escort’s Story

In this week's episode, Eboné sits down with the author of Thank You, Jazz to explore her unforgettable journey working at a brothel in Australia. Listeners will hear about the hilarious, shocking, and downright scary moments she experienced behind closed doors, along with the insights and lessons that shaped her along the way.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebina, a space where no
question is off limits and storylines become lifelines. The views
shared by our guests are meant to inform, entertain, and empower.
From the laughs to the lessons. Just remember, tough times
don't last, but professional Homegirls do enjoy the show.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
What's up, y'all? Issagara Ebine here, and I hope all
is cute. Now, before we get into this week's episode,
I just want to remind you all that we are
four days away from the Professional Homegirls second annual Turkey
Drive in Memphis, Tennessee. Now, we are so close to
hitting our goal of feeding two hundred families, So if
you haven't already, please make sure to donate by clicking

(00:48):
the link in the show notes below. All right, hold
me down, don't hold me up. Now, let's get into
this week's episode. And y'all is so good. Now, one
of my favorite professional homegirls is back and she's opened
it up in a whole new way. As she shares
her memoir, Thank You Jazz, She takes us inside her

(01:09):
journey working in the sex brothel, the wild experiences she lived,
including trying a roofie child, and that I opening insights
she learned about trust, boundaries and having compassion for others.
And also, y'all, she has been on the show multiple times,
so if you want to get to know her a
little bit better, please make sure you click the links

(01:30):
in the show notes below for all of her previous episodes. Okay,
so get ready because thank you. Jazz starts now. Oh
my gods, I am so excited to have my guests
back on the show. I feel like, how many times
have you been on the show? Like three or four times?

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Five? The three, the three three?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh my god. It's always such a good time when
we link up. And then we actually linked up before outside.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I think we met what once one time?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, like last summer at.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
The festival, right yep? Oh my god, I was so excited,
I guess so excited to meet like my favorite professional homegirls.
So to my guests, thank you so much for coming
back on this show to discuss your memoir. Thank you, Jesz.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
How you doing how you feel?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
I know you said you a little bit under the weather,
but how are you feeling?

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah? I mean I'm a little you know, my voice
is a little raggedy, but I feel great. I feel
grateful and just amazing. It's always nice to have a
conversation with you and see your beautiful smile.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
My wife's friend.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yes, girls, So yeah, I'm just excited. Like when I
saw your invite to the conversation, you know, I was
patiently waiting. I was like, Okay, let's see. I picked
this day because I knew i'd be super settled and
you know, able to you know, ki key a little bit.
And yeah, it's eleven eleven. I feel like that means something.
I'm not like super like astrological, but it's gonna mean something.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, you know, it's so funny. Eleven eleven is actually
my angel numbers, and it isn't. Yeah, it didn't dawn
on me that today was eleven eleven until like maybe
like two or three hours ago, and I was like,
oh my god, I gotta like pray, I gotta clean,
like I gotta get my life together to pray on
this day and like really tell the universe, tell God
what you really what your intentions are. So I'm like,

(03:20):
I really want to get into deep prayer and just
like all right, guy, like it's time got take it
up a notch in the name of.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Jesus amen, come again.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yes, Now, before we get into your book, I want
you to tell everybody your thoughts on volume three of
the Professional Homegirl Coloring Book.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Oh I'm glad you asked, because I was gonna I
was gonna stop. Stop you right there and let you
know I love I love this book. Shout out to
you is I mean, I have the first two and
this one is just packed full of amazing such an
upgrade art work, such an upgrade. There's more stories in
the last one. There's more activities, you know, not just

(03:59):
coloring pages, but actual it's like an actual coloring book.
And as someone who like I was a big colorer,
like as a kid, as a preteen. If you go
to my grandma's house, she still has like old books
and there's stacks of coloring books with my little signature
on all these little pages. So to have a and
you know I'm in it. Yeah she is. She is

(04:22):
twice twice twice. But yeah, it's it's shout out to
you because not only did you release this third edition
since I saw you laugh, you did, Like Mads, there's
a lot, like a lot has happened, like my girl
was in square.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah, I mean, I know.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
I wrote things down. Hold on, you were in Times Square,
You've been doing Turkey Drive. You know your Spooky series
is thriving. Yeah, I love the Spooky.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Series, you know, I know love the Spooky series.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
The men in the series, bitch, yes, oh god.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
If somebody asked me, it was like did you quit?
And I'm like no, I'm like, it's just hard to
find men to be on the show. And a lot
of times they disregard my question. They be trying to
hit on me and I'm like, nigga, focused, do you
want to be on the.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Show or not?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Oh my god? Yes?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
But I love the Men's series. That love love What's
before you continue? What has been your favorite episode in
the Spooky series? Because I love the Spooky series, the
Spooky series.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
It was the i think maybe the second episode the
World where the guy got shot and he went to Hell.
He went to Hell and I'm like, what is like this?
This is crazy and I was like listening to it
in the car in the dark, I'm like, I you know.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
What the sound effects shout out to Taylor.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, that one was like it really had me thinking
and I was having a conversation with my one of
my siblings earlier that day or the day before about
some of the things that were touched on in that episode.
So you know, it was just like, wow, this is
a really good conversation. And again like who I'm not
meeting these people, Like you don't know who you're gonna

(06:08):
meet and what kind of story you're gonna hear. So yeah,
this is a bat Like I have a top six
podcast that I listened to religiously, like I don't really
deviate because I get what I need from those six
and you're in that top six.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
So thank you, thank you, thank you. Now that really
made me feel good because I think a lot of
times you could just be so hard on ourselves, and
I feel like that's my season lately. It's just like, oh,
you can be doing it, you could be doing that,
but it's like, no, bitch, you're actually doing a really
great job.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
You're doing a lot. And I remember even last year,
you're like stay tuned for something coming or this is
coming or that's coming, and you met like everything came out.
You know, you rebranded, bitch was how ree? I know?
I know, No, Like that's a lot in a year.
So your props, Yeah, with your little.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
So shout out to you for you know, just keeping
it keeping on and yeah, like growing those platforms. It's
been amazing. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
And speaking of growing platforms, I am just so pleased.
She sent me in advanced copy of the book. Y'all,
thank you, Jazz. And it's so funny because I was
listening to our last conversation, which was in twenty twenty two,
and you were telling me about it. I think you
even sent me like a sample of what you was
writing and stuff, and I'm like, oh my god, I
cannot wait, like and Harry are and I'm just like
so proud of you, Like it.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Is so good.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
It's so steamy, like thank god, the cover it's like
safe because I'm on the train, I'm like, oh my god.
I was like, this is getting a little steamy.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
I started sweating shit.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
So I was like, girl, So what has been the
feedback you've been receiving.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
So the feedback has been really good. I've had some
really positive feedback, mainly from you know, friends, family, like
people that are close to me that knew I was
writing this story. I think my favorite comment someone sent
me was and this was someone that I didn't know personally,

(08:09):
but we had just been talking and I told him
about it. We were at you know, club life, and
he bought it right there in the club. And then
weeks later, like I never saw him, but weeks later
he was like, yo, I don't know if you're you're
either crazy or you're living right now. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
It was some parts I was reading, I'm like, and
I'm saying, you're your real name on my head. I'm like, nah,
you're you're a bugging like you're a I was like,
and obviously I know that you're alive and stuff, and
I'm like, girl, but we love the story.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Right, yeah, listen, there's yeah, just yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
So I know you have siblings. Do they know about
this book?

Speaker 3 (08:50):
They do? So, my all my siblings know. I don't like,
I have you know, brothers and sister. I don't think
my brothers will read it. I told them they didn't
have to and they didn't have to promote it. But
it's there and they knew I was writing it. And
I think my sisters have read it or at least
bought it.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
And what about the parentals?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
No, so, and that's because it's listen I live a
double life. There's things about me that my parents don't
know or don't maybe don't have a full picture on.
So you know, I was able to really keep certain
things to myself. And if I don't know, like part

(09:37):
of me wants to like share it with my mom
because it's like fucking good, like like she likes to read,
like as a piece of like literature and like storytelling
and like their creativity.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Of grain got nothing on this.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
It's good but the content and you know, the story,
and I mean it's a lot to take in. Like
if your kid came up to me was like, oh,
by the way, this is what happened to me, like
over ten years ago, you were like what the fuck right?

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Right?

Speaker 3 (10:07):
So, and I don't you know, I don't feel like
I having those conversations right now. One day, you know,
I mean one day I won't really care. But these
are things I never really shared with them because I
didn't want them to then worry about me when I
was doing my things.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, you know, when that dad comes, I would love
to have her on the show just to get her insight,
because I love to have I would love to have
a conversation with someone whose child was in the sex
industry and just to see how they feel. I mean,
like you said, who would be comfortable with their kid
coming up to them like, hey, mam, like read my
book about me getting fuck.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Right? She could be like what, yeah, And we don't
really have that relationship. We never really had that kind
of relationship anyway where we would talk about like, you know,
sexuality and boys and all of that. So yeah, yeah,
some families are like, you know, it's just whatever's happening
to me and my body is not being discussed with me.

(11:01):
Was you a religion from a religious background? Not religious, No,
just more like conservative, not even conservative, just more like
if you don't ask, there's no you're not going to
be told anything. You know. Nobody sat me down and
had a sex talk, that's for sure. So I don't know.
Back then, we had workbooks, so you know, our little

(11:24):
preteen workbooks.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yo, that's so funny, Yeah, because I had a preteen
book about my cycle, and for the life of me,
I cannot remember this work book. But I'm like, I
thought that was so cool because it actually taught me
a lot. Because I don't remember my my folks having
a conversation with me about having sex and stuff. They
just told me that to have sex with my period
because I get pregnant. I was like, okay, yeah, yeah,

(11:46):
and that's a lot.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
So yeah, right, we had work books. Yeah, that was
their way of like telling us about things without having
to verbally tell us.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
So were there any stories that you would hesitant to
share or were their story? It didn't make the cut?
So let's see, because I feel like you held back
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
I well, yeah, I think I did in some places
the ones that I wanted to share. So there's a
part in the book where I go to Asia and
I meet up with a guy, and there's a lot
that happened in Asia as a whole. And then like

(12:28):
in between that time going back to the US and
then going back to work, you know, I took three months,
a lot happened, and I didn't include that because it
wasn't Jazz's story. It wasn't about you know, like that
would have been my perspective, you know, my you know,

(12:50):
I have a couple aliases. The Jazz is the aliens
in this book. But if I would have deviated from
her story, now we're in a different alias, and that's
not what the book is about, so you gotta stay
tuned for the next book. But yeah, there's that chunk
of time that I just was like, all right, I'm leaving.
I'm leaving, I'm going home. I'm going to Asia, I'm

(13:11):
doing this, and then I come back to Australia. For
those of you who don't know, the book is takes
place in Australia. I come back and it's like, because
I got people ask me like, well, what happened in Asia?

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, and I was like, girl, I'm going to the book.
I'm like, so we're not gonna talk about Asia. But
if I remember correctly, is that when you came on
the show to share your journey of what happened to
you with an abortion?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, got the story ties in there. So when I
was working at the brothel, I had a broken condom incident.
And this was well before I well before I really

(13:59):
kept pack of like my cycle and like my fertility
windows and that kind of thing. So you know, I
was like, I mean I'll get to it, and yeah,
I didn't do anything about it, Like I just you know,
kept working and then kind of forgot about it. I
might have even had like a spotting moment. And like

(14:20):
didn't realize like the different types of spotting. And I
was like, oh, I'm good. So then when I went
to Asia, your girl was not good. Like I started
feeling sick and I started getting really stressed out. There's
a part with the guy that I travel over there with.

(14:41):
I can't remember the names that changed. Everybody's name. Ben
is in my okay, Ben, you know we you know
we met up over there and we hung out. There
was some drama between us. Oh god, there was definitely

(15:02):
some drama Petunias. I don't know if you want to
hear that story, but it involves some some fighting, some separating,
some coming back together. And then I there was a
point where I left Asia to go back to Australia
to like get grounded because I was overwhelmed. But I
didn't know I was pregnant. So when I was over there,

(15:23):
I took a pregnancy test and I was like, oh,
this explains why I'm not having a good time in
Bali right now.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
All right, what made you take the pregnancy test? Like
he was just like am I pregnant or well?

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Because I'm yeah, Like I was feeling nauseous. And then
because the period that I had I realized it really
wasn't a real period, Like it was very you know
what I mean, And I you know, I called my
sister and I was like, you know, I was talking
about to my friends about it, like all right, how
do we decipher? And yeah, I took a test finally,
and I was like, okay, wow, that's Wilin. Okay, freak calculate. Yeah,

(16:02):
So I was like, yeah, I felt it was crazy.
I was just like, are you kidding me? You're going
twenty five years and now you want to the country
by a stranger. I couldn't even tell you who it was.
It was like, you know, I felt some type of
way about that.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Because when I was reading it, I'm like I even thought,
I was like, wait, because you've been on the show
prior to this twice before. So I was thinking to
myself like, wait, be cause I'm thinking about the conversations
we had. I'm like, was it did she get pregnant?
Like what's this the time that she got pregnant? Or
like I'm putting the pieces together that I know about
our conversations and I'm like, oh shit, wow.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
So that was that, and yeah, I went home. I
went I actually took myself to a retreat in Thailand.
I get reiki services and do yoga and just like
kind of get grounded and because you know, I still
had like five more weeks left on my trips and
I was like, I can thug it out for at
least three bitch. I got to Thailand. I took a boat,

(17:02):
no a plane, a bus of two boats, and on
a tram to get to this retreat in the middle
of nowhere. And I was just exhausted and it was
kind of scamming, Like I feel like this movie was
like scamming people. And I'm like, you know what, I
had a go home. So I went home and I
took care of that, and you know, had a medic

(17:26):
was a medically induced miscarriage.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, I remember y'all listened to that episode. I don't
think the episode on the show knows.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Okay, so now the puzzles is coming the gun I
got the pieces, now.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, he's got the pieces.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Because I'm like, how should just gonna go out over Asia?

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Like that?

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Got it? Okay?

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Okay, but you see why I didn't put that in
the book, because I'm like that I haven't tightened up
and still I got it on the file and I
just took a O this too much because you know
what's gonna be in the next book.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
What's up, y'all, It's Shagara eb and A here, and
be sure to follow me on Instagram and TikTok at
pretty private podcasts, and don't forget to subscribe to my
YouTube channel at the Professional Homegirl. Now let's get back
to the show. And I feel like that story is more,
like you said, a personal story compared to the story
you share about Jazz, because I do feel like we

(18:21):
want to talk about later. I feel like you and
Jazz were two different people, but yet y'all had a
lot of similarities.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah. Yeah, it's the aliens for you. Jazz was Ah,
she was whoever you needed her to be in the moment. Yeah,
you know, like whoever came in you kind of figure
out their energy and what they're into. And you know,
I'm a really good like I can really kind of

(18:49):
like assess people. Yeah, and talk to people. I've been
doing it, you know, in the strip club, I do
it and other lines of work that I've done. And yeah,
Jazz as is who you need her to be. So yeah, million.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Wait, so before we get into Thank You Jazz, take
us back to how you first got into escort and
working in the brato because I didn't know this, but
this you also seem like a year off from school, right, So.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
I after school, after I graduated, I went backpacking. So
I went overseas. I was hanging out in a couple
different countries on working holiday visas. You know, I had
a visa for New Zealand and Australia. Yeah, and like

(19:39):
there's there's so much here, this stuff, just like Thank
You Jazz is literally like just three months of my life.
Like the book that I started writing before I even
met Jazz is the book that I need to finish
next because that one has a lot of other stories,
you know, more in my dancer career. But anyway, you know,

(20:02):
I'm doing my thing. I'm dancing, and you know, I
had I've held various different jobs. And then when I
was in Australia, I'm like, let me let me slide
over here, because I thought about it in New Zealand
and I like made a phone call at a little
Google search and I'm like, yeah, I don't know, I'm good.
I'm good. And then a couple months later I'm in Melbourne,

(20:24):
and I'm like, you know what, if I don't like it,
I just don't go back. Like what, I'm just I'm
curious because I was getting to this point in you know,
my career where I I knew that when I went
back home, I'd be trying other things and this is
something that is illegal mostly throughout the US, and it's

(20:48):
you know, I was like accepted there. I was curious,
like what kind of people are going to be working here,
what kind of people are going to be coming in here?
And yeah, that's kind of what took me in. And
then the people that received me were all very kind
and like good vibe and it was like a cozy
little place and I was like, okay, let's see you
don't like it, I can leave.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
I'm so nosy. I started googling sex brought in Australia.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
I'm like, which, why was she wreaking it?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
And I found too and.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
I was like, hmmm. I was like, the name is
in there. I mentioned it. I put the name in.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
There, not empty, but mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
I didn't change the name. Yeah, I didn't change the name.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Oh okay, they didn't come up in my search.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
No, it might be closed or something. You know, COVID
took a lot of businesses.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Out, taking that business out. Baby, that's the oldest question
in the world.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
That's true, that's true.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Right, Oh what I thought you made that up? Because
I'm like, what are the odds of that.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Being the name of it?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah? I thought about it later. I'm sure I've changed that.
But then, you know, my editor and I were just like, no,
it's not that big of a deal. I don't think
it's like you're saying anything bad about the place. It's
not like no secrets, like this is what it is.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Until niggas is like where Jazz at? She want to
book about it?

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, oh my gosh, that's just send them a copy.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Oh you should. I mean I felt like you spoke
very highly of that place, like it felt like a home,
like a safe place for you.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
So I think you should should.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Who I mean, I really do think you could take
this book far. You're right, yeah, so telling everybody hyked
it you came up with the name thank you Jazz
because I thought that it was just you paying homage to.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah also ego.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
But well kind of in a way. So but yeah, true.
When I when I originally started writing this, well, I
you know when I originally started hyping it out because
it was a journal, it was part of my journal,
and during that time I had a lot of downtime
to really expand on my writing and just like be

(22:45):
a little more descriptive than your typical journal notes. So
I titled it jazz Is Diary because that's what the
fuck it was like, And that was the working title
for like five years because I just you know, in
my phone and in my notes and stuff, with Jazz's Diary.
And then as I'm writing it, I'm realizing like a
trend or like you know, that phrase thank you Jazz

(23:07):
was repeated throughout the book and throughout my experience, you know,
because when you got chosen to go see a client,
they would hit the little intercom and they'll say thank
you Jazz, or when your time was up. They're not
gonna call you and say all right times up. They'll
just say thank you Jazz or thank you you know, Diamond, whoever.

(23:31):
And so that was a reoccurring phrase, and then you know,
the clients would thank me. Not all of them, but
a lot of them would be like, oh, you know,
thank you Jazz, Like that was. It was hurt a lot.
So that's how I changed the title. And I was like,
you know what, I like that. We're gonna we're gonna

(23:52):
keep it with that. And then again like it said,
like paying homage to that time in my life, Like
I'm great, I'm so grateful for that experience, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
So yeah, you know, you also made a really good
point about transactional sex. So I would like to read
an excerpt from you Ready Okay some chapter twelve title
one of my favorite chapters. It's a transaction hypocrisy of

(24:26):
the US and its response to sex work. And you
said after that interaction, it was a while before I
hadn't exchanged like that. I kept the transactions in the club,
but I knew where I stood early on. There's nothing
wrong with providing your services a pleasure for a price.
More people should do it, honestly, whether you're selling cars, alcohol,

(24:46):
or fantasies. It's a sales job and I'm pretty good
at it. So with that being said, what do you
think people misunderstand most about transactional sex.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
I really think it just comes down to what we've
been told or shown to think and believe, and what's
modeled to us. You know, we look at sex like
it should only be for man and woman. It should
only be for the married man and woman, the married

(25:20):
adult man and woman. It should only be for making babies.
You know. That's and like, okay, if that's what you believe,
that's what you believe. But that's not that's not what
it is. Like you know, that's based on I guess,
your your philosophy and life, your religion, and there's no
right or wrong in my eyes, you know. To me,
it's like, you know, like I think I mentioned in

(25:43):
one part of their like sexist. It's almost like a sport.
It's almost it's a service, you know. And if you
are okay to look at it like that, then what's
the problem.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, you know, if sex work was legal and the US,
do you think things would be different?

Speaker 3 (26:04):
I would say yes and no, because I feel like
if they were legal, they'll find ways to make it
like annoying, you know how they do when they mogialize
certain things, and then it might take away from the
sex workers' experiences to where they might not even want
to partake. That's just you know, that's just what they do.

(26:25):
But then again, if it was legal. I think it
would be you know, it would make things safer, and
it would give people, I don't know, maybe it would
help in some way help people to like change their
views on sex and change their views on transactional sex.
And you know, maybe people wouldn't feel like they can
just take it from you. Yeah, they get it, go

(26:47):
pay for it, like with the hell, you know what
I mean. Like, so, like what I've noticed, like when
I was down and you know Australia, now, not the
whole continent has legal escorting, but the certain areas that did,
I mean talking to the girls there, they all just
were living regular, regular lives, making decent money, you know,

(27:10):
paying for college, buying homes. Like I feel like sex
workers are always portrayed, as you know, on either at
the end of the spectrum where it's like, you know,
super rich and spoiled and it's everything they want, or
at the other end of the spectrum where they're like
living and tricking out of motels and yeah they're on drugs,

(27:34):
they got you know, people beating on them and whatever.
So it's like where's that, you know, they're sex workers
in the middle on one of them. Yeah, Like I
wasn't abused by my dad and my pastor. So now
I'm a sex worker like nah, I just like performing
and having fun and I'm really good at making people
feel good. Yeah. So yeah, I think if it were,

(27:57):
you know, legalized, it could go one some two ways.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
And I also feel like back in the day, like
just the nightlife industry was just so like it was
really like glamorized, Like it was really like, oh you
was that girl, like you get your money, you had
all the things, the glitts and glamour like. But I
also think that the reason why I kind of shifted
because now race and class and other things play a
factor in it.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, definitely, I see. I mean you see it just
in the way people talk about sex work or the
way it's portrayed and media or something. Yeah, you know,
like a sex worker of color might be looked at
differently than you know, a white sex slowbird one might
be you know, like, Okay, she's a snow bunny, so

(28:43):
she's a higher class sex worker and you're hat so
you're you know, on the lower end. But you know
that's not necessarily the case.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, but for some reason, I can't see you working
in the sex brought there in the US if it
was legal.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
No, absolutely, No, I just wasn't deep. It's not that deep,
like I you know, I did it because I was
because I could and it was legal, and I was curious,
and I was like you know, backpacking around and just
exploring and trying different things, and you know, writing about
it because for years people would say, oh my god,

(29:19):
you should write a book. Like I would get that
all the time. And there were times where I would
like do something or say something, or something would happen.
I'd be like, oh, it's going in the book, going
in the book, but there was no book yet, you
know what I mean. The book wasn't being written yet.
And then finally, you know, taking that time abroad too,
like I, you know, graduate from college and I'm like

(29:40):
I'm out, Like I don't want to way grad school.
I want nobody's job or apartment. I'm out and I'm
just going to like do things that I want to
do and like be creative and like to explore, explore
and like have sex with people and like eat food
and whatever. So I you know, I'm grateful for that
opportunity that like had that time because a lot of

(30:02):
people don't have time to like explore after college, like
they're right into the right into it. You know, they're
going to grad school, they're certain families or buying houses
or you.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Look back and damn.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, so it's been ten years since that time of
my life and yeah, a lot of like still a
lot of great things are happening.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
So yeah, they're working in the broad through like change
how you looked at yourself.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
I think it more enhanced the way I looked at
myself because you know, I started in shrip clubs and
I got a lot of my confidence from being a dancer.
And you know, I wasn't always like super you know,
bad bitch in the club. Like there's a good you know,
a year where you're just like figuring it out and

(30:53):
figuring out like you know, you're cool, you know you're cute,
but you're trying to like, you know, learn the room,
like you learn the ropes and get that because once
you get it, girl, it's so it's a rap y'all. Anyway,
So when you were learning the land is ghost, Yeah,

(31:13):
So yeah, I feel like by the time, you know,
I had already been dancing for maybe like three years,
three and a half years. So by the time I
got over there and and and went into the brothel,
I was like it was like a little boost of confidence,
a little boosts of adrenaline and just like and you know,
I was learning a lot, Like I was learning so
much from these guys, which was cool too.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Did you have any grief for writing this book? Because like,
is jazz coming back?

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Jazz is done right like that you know, now in
the club, I go by a different name, but you
know that's that's a different book, but jazz is who
I was just during that time. Yeah, And as far
as like grief after writing it, no, like, and I

(32:03):
kept like going back to thinking, am I do I
feel bad? You know, I kept like reflecting on should
I feel bad? Like should I be feeling in some
type of way, like oh my god, Like people are
reading it. Ah, this it's crazy, but.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
You feel bad maybe like what do you mean by that?

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Embarrassed or like shame? Should be right to be sharing
these stories, but it's like, no, they're fucking real life stories.
These are things that really happened, and there are things
that nobody talks about and they're fun to read. And
if you know, my voice for fund to reading my voice. Right.
I had a friend tell me that, They're like, yeah,

(32:41):
I'd rather this than your voice was amazing me too.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
I heard you in my head and I'm like, wow,
this girl is crazy. So one of my favorite interactions
you shared was with Donnie. So Donnie was someone who
did not want to have sex with a woman, but
he wanted to be penetrated in his ass.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Remember Donnie. Fact was he was white, right.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, yes, definitely remember Donnie.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
But I think the reason why I actually love that
interaction you shared about him is because he showed how
a lot of people don't feel safe fully being himselves.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
So one of my favorite person in the book on
page one three, let's see girl. I love it because
I was like, wow, like you can really learn a
lot about people from like that work in different industries
and stuff, and like how at the end of the
day we all have a lot of things in common
then we do different you know.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
So one of the things you wrote you was like
he's sighed. So I'm guessing this is during the time
that y'all was like just got through doing the interaction
you had just met him because your homegirl at the
brothel she calls you in to be a part of
their their ninth Well, yeah, so he said, I'm not married,
never was, and dating is tough. I mean, come on,

(33:55):
how many pretty girls you know are willing to fuck
a guy in the ass without getting paid. I come
here because it's safe and with the right amount of money,
I can get any treatment I want. I'm sure I
don't need to tell you this, but most people have
born vanilla sex lives. But you, girls, you don't ask questions.
And at this time, doing this part, you was asking
him like mad questions because like his you know, it
piqued your interest, which it also do with minus, but

(34:16):
also was like, yo, black girls, what thing about us?

Speaker 4 (34:18):
We gonna get to the bottom of it.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Really, yeah, but they really are right.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
But then on page one's seventy eight, which I thought
was kind of sad, you said as he laid back,
he was breathing heavy. I cast something in his eyes,
not lust, but that kind of sadness. He never liked
to finish too fast, always stretching things out, like he
was trying to make up for something. Because I think
during this session he book you for like three hours,
which I was like, damn, Yeah, and then you asked him.
You said you okay, I asked him. He nodded, but

(34:46):
exhaled heavily, and he said this is just safer, he muttered,
and he was like, safer than what he hesitated. Then
he glanced at his fingers. Then trying to connect with
someone outside of her out there. People don't get it.
I didn't press. I heard version of this story before.
It's something about Donnie Tone told me it wasn't just
about sex. It was about tapping into his desires without judgment, and.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
I was just like wow, like yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Like I can only imagine how your view on intimacy
and relationships change after dealing with so many different personalities
and just men in general.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yeah, there was a lot of that, a lot of
moments where I'm talking to someone, I'm just like trying
to get to the bottom of it, and you know,
and I do you do? You get those conversations kind
of in the club too, But it's for this especially
because it's you know, it's full armed sex with that

(35:41):
you're paying for. You know, some people, not everything's black
and white, you know, not everything is you know, good
or bad, hot or cult like, not everything is black
or white. So for for him, it's like, you know,
I like, you know, I don't. I don't just like
women like I like in the ass, but I don't
need to penetrate the pussy. But I also like my

(36:04):
ball's kick, but also like hot Wax song on my day.
So like there's so many like in betweens on the spectrum.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Of the nuance.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, and like you know, some people just need to
feel safe and just want to get what they need
and go on with their day and rather than you know,
try to go on dates. And there are communities for
people like Donnie where he can you know, meet people
that want to you know, go with his fetishes or whatever.

(36:35):
But you know, sometimes it's just easier to like pull
up somewhere and get Like when I want my hair downe,
I just go to the hair salon. I've got time
jumon braids. Donnie wants to is whatever and he wants
his ass one, so he's gonna pull up you know what, yo, girl.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Do this man?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
No, No, he definitely was like he was he was
getting wax. He was he was very clean. Yeah, nobly
do shit or something. I don't know, but we.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Can list a thing too. When you getting atal play
or but play they have like douche and all this stuff.
So yeah, okay, cheah.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
I could just see your face like yo, and.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Then you have you know, like you have to like
be compassionate and empathetic and like I can't be like eh, nigga.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Dogs step out of here, like I guess you know.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Like you have to be compassionate. So I really learned
how to like be like all in someone's face, in
their space and like listen to some wild ship and
like genuinely like you know, show concern and make them
feel safe and okay about it. Yeah, like that tastes
a lot.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
So what percentage of men did you basically have to
trick your body into being into? Because when I was
reading some of these these uh your sessions with these guys,
I'm like, it's no way that this person I'm talking
to now would ever give these people a chance, especially
with these small ass penises.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Girl. And what was that.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Process like of you tricking your body and to getting prepared?

Speaker 3 (38:18):
It was, like I would say, it was like a
almost like an adventure, like at first, you know you
have to it's not necessarily about me getting you know,
getting off or anything like that. So for a guy,
in order for us to know he's turned on, dick

(38:39):
gets hard, and that's like a clear sign. They don't
get hard, you're not turned it's not working. But for us,
you know, like Okay, we might get wet, our nibbles
might get hard, we might you know, get warm or whatever,
but it's it's not like a tall tail sign like
oh she's turned on now, So you could kind of
glide by with out someone asking me like, oh, it's

(39:01):
just turning on and you say yes and they're like no,
it's not like I don't you know, like right, get
to keep going. So you know, I would like use
imagery and just like imagine at first, you know, just
imagining like sex scenes, but then like that really didn't
work for me, and it was it was really just
like knowing that one I'm getting paid to do this too,

(39:27):
that this person really is enjoying this, and that I'm
able to like make this person feel good. Like that
made me feel excited, you know, like this is hot,
Like this is something that I couldn't do at home.
You know, you came up in here. It's like Russian
roulette and like who's at the door? You know what
I mean, And like, even though these people weren't typically

(39:48):
the type of people that I would look at and
be and deem sexy or fuckutable, I was able to
kind of like take the attraction out of it and
just be there for like the the healing part of it,
the nurturing part of it, the physical act of it,
the you know, it was almost like a challenge. Okay,

(40:11):
I gotta get them, get them hard and get them
all warmed up and feeling good. Then I'm gonna hit
him with the you know, the BJ and then like, oh,
I wonder if you're like side the massage. And then
once you kind of you know, get to penetration, like
you know, then what positions can we do? Like you know,

(40:32):
you know, when you'd go reverse cowgirl and thegs don't
know how to act, so.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
That especially if you're around Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
If you tired and you're like, you know what, let's
wrap this up and you turn around and then he comes,
it's like all right, cool, you want to keep going,
you gotta pay me more. Like so they're like eventually
you kind of learned how to work with each you know,
even though each person you see might not be someone
you've seen before. You kind of get like a routine,
and it's really felt like, you know, like a sport,

(41:04):
like you know, when you know, when you go to
a massage, and like you go to like the fucking
Lotus Springs or whatever the hell, like the Asian joints
where sometimes I get a lot of massages, and sometimes
when I go there, they do the same thing. They
put the town on you. They stretch out, yeah, and
they do this, and then they do that, and then
I know they're gonna do the and it's just like,
all right, I didn't this is not what I wanted,

(41:25):
but it's it's a routine. And I felt like I
got that when I was, you know, working in the brothel,
Like I found like a flow that I knew I could,
like time it. I knew that how to like extend,
get the time to extend, get them the same longer.
And Yeah, when once you're thinking about it that way,

(41:46):
you're not really worried about being turned on, you know,
because now it's just like it's like the job. We're
here now, right, Yeah, we're just doing this.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
And I would think about when I was reading about
how you would have sex with the men that had
like microscopic penises. I'm like, wow, like it's really niggas
I hear with small dicks like and I'm not talking
about like regular smm, I'm talking about like tiny like
you thought this one because it was it any.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Is there a medical term for this? Like this seems
like it should be a diagnosies like what's happening here, right,
and that they do. I don't really see them anywhere,
but oh god, and I wonder. You know, most of
the people that had this situation, they were a little

(42:43):
bit bigger, like they carried more belly fat and like
the abdominal region so the good yeah, like the fupa
region like where your foopa would be. So it's almost like, yeah,
like too much fat there, like your cheft shrinks up
and next seeing it. I don't know if you read

(43:04):
the book like you read it so you know, the
way trying to describe that penis was like because.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I'm like, how did you get it in? Like when
you was describing the position, I'm like, I did a
nigga called a cramp.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
I said, nah, we're not.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Doing listen trying to describe that, Like I had to
keep coming back to it because I'm like, how do
I put how do I describe this that, like, you know,
makes sense that people can really visualize it, because I
remember saying it to people like friends in passing, but
like I'm like, okay, I'm putting it in a book.
How do I really get this out there so that

(43:37):
people can visualize it? And yeah, it looked like you know,
when a baby's born and there, you know, the umbilical
cord is kind of still poking in and out of
the belly button and it's like a little bit out,
but it's a little bit in. And then when that
piece falls off, it's just like this. You're like, is

(44:00):
it it any? Isn't an ALTI well, we won't know
for a couple of weeks because we're still a baby,
Like you know what I mean, that's what it looked like.
And then when it got hard, it would grow just
a little bit, so you knew that it was something,
but it was still like a yeah, like yeah, So
like god damn, I just remember like like trying to

(44:23):
like put that thing in my mouth with the little
baby condom because what do you say, Just imagine it's
my only hand, bitch.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Liked like I'm gonna get that out of my face,
bro Like, so.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Like eventually, you know, you're just yeah, that was And
the whole time I'm doing it, it's not even like
like it's crazy because I'm not like grossed out. I'm
not like, oh my god, like I can't believe I
have to do this, Like I'm cracking the fuck up
in my head because I'm like, this is great content.

(45:02):
People know everything right, people need to know about this.
This is the thing out here, and that's why he's
here because he can pay. Again, it was another situation
where this guy was a very large man, Like having
sex with him was a fucking workout because I can
go into a fool split, but damn for how long?

(45:23):
So have you know? Him coming in and paying for
that experience was so much more comfortable and you know,
way easier than going out and trying to hit on
somebody after a night out or you know, like swiping
on the internet using I think back then Tinder was

(45:44):
just starting out, but you know, like it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, yeah, did any of the services make you feel
uncomfortable or were you like I'm not doing it.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
I've had I did have some people like even though
they knew I didn't do anal. They would try to, like,
you know, slide it over that way, and I'm like, listen, no,
we're not doing that. I'm not experimenting, I'm not trying
anything new like no. But honestly, I would say pretty much,
you know, everything was I was. I was cool with

(46:19):
you know, nothing that really threw me off.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah. You know another thing that I love about your
uh this book is I felt like you had a
hard time with setting boundaries and not setting boundaries with
the customers, with setting boundaries with yourself. Yeah, And I
feel like, listen, I have like no sperdays out because
this book is really good. But like on page one
sixty three, you was talking about how like you know

(46:42):
better pretty much, and you wrote, I realized I struggled
with my power sometimes. The whole point of this gig
is to be able to make my money in a
safe place and go home, do not pass, go, do
not collect two hundred dollars. Men can be very convincing
and try to get you to do things you wouldn't
normally do, or get you to do things that aren't
worth your time. After sex with Juice Head, I should

(47:03):
have just left him alone, which I agree, but while
still riding the high of gray Sex, we exchange numbers
and agreed. I would come by after work and I
was like, girl, and the crazy thing is you did
that several times.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Yeah, there were a few times where it's you know,
it was it was almost like.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I say, now it's been like a wow girl man.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Like riding that high. You're like, this is fun. And
I had like that I could do whatever I want
kind of mentality and this I don't want to do something,
I'm not going to do it. And then there were
those times where I was like, oh, like, oh, I
don't know should I do it? And then I would
just like, you know, damn well, like you said, you know,
damn well, you got no business. But I'm like, we'll

(47:52):
see what's happening, you know, give like, let's see where
this goes. And or you're just the you know, the
excitement hasn't worn off yet, or yeah, there there were
a few times in there.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Were there any times where you felt like, oh, just
one particular time that stood out where you felt like, oh,
she like she can go left, Like you got scared.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
I wouldn't necessarily stay scared, like when I went home
with juice head. Uh and you had.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
To blow into his berthalyzer. Girl, I said, Yo, what
is going on?

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I think I text you and I was like, nah, girl,
this is too fun.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yeah that, you know, having to blow into someone's breathalyzer
moments after they convince you to come home and sleep
with them is just wild. Yeah. I'm like, wait, what
are we doing? And then we went further than he said,
like you go. I don't live far, no you do.
It was quite far.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
And he didn't have no service.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
I didn't have no stealth service. And I was just like, okay, okay,
well if something goes down, like I remember my route,
but I also I never I try to think like
I'm I'm aware, I'm cautious, you know. I look, you know,
over my shoulder, and I make sure that I don't
walk around oblivious. But I also know that like I'm protected,

(49:21):
you know, and I know that I'm safe, and like
I I go into situations thinking that way. For a moment,
I might be like, yo, this motherfucker might try to
kill me, he might chop me up. I'm not play
a whole scenario in my head. But then I'll let
it go and I'll tell myself and you're gonna be fine,

(49:41):
like you know, all if something happens, like you just
lose koodoo about this car and you know, take your
ass down the road like you know. I feel like
I could and for myself if I had to. But yeah,
I think it's like a Delulu thing or something. You're
just like, God, got me, let me go.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
And I also think that being at at the age
you were, you was in your early twenties, So I
just think that when you're young, like you think you're visible,
nothing's gonna happen to you. Yeah, yeah, now, no way,
oh hell, Like I'm not doing that.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
I barely want to go to my friend's house. Why
would I want to go to your house?

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Like bags?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Facts, facts, Oh my god. Another thing that called my
attention was you spoke very openly about your drug youth.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, and I was like, what, I know, it's so crazy.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Did you always stabble in drugs or yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:37):
So I've always like you know, I've always seen whom
I'm talking drink bro drink, drink liquor smoked weed like,
but I've you know, I like hallucinogens, I like mushards LC.
But then like there were times where you know, you
do the cocaine, the mollie, the ecstasy, like those kind

(50:59):
of things I had already had, like, you know, at
least eight years of experience with before this, Like you know,
I'd been using those kind of recreational drugs, you know,
in the end of high school, college like that time
in my life. So to me, it was just like, oh,
you know Mollie, Hell yeah, I love MDMA, let's do it.

(51:22):
But there are things that I wouldn't do, like often
like I don't carry molly in my pocket, right, you know,
like some of these guys sitting in the brothel or
like even on like a night out, like unless it's
like a thing like oh, we're at a music festival,
like there's certain kind of music where that is you know,
I don't want to stay it's associated with those kind
of drugs. But for me, if I'm going to a
certain kind of concert, can bring in molly, like this

(51:44):
is what it is. So yeah, this is nothing new
at this point in my life. It's just there was
always a like in the back of my mind, I'd
be like, girl, I'll do it. You don't know these people,
And then that that because.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
On page seventy seven, y'all, and only I really want
you to purchase her book. And we all about supporting
professional homegirls, but this one was it for me. I
was like, no way. So, y'all, she talks about her
experience with GHB and if you are not familiar with GHB,

(52:26):
that is the Roofy drug or the date ray drug.
And so she said, this is one of your customers.
He came in and he was like super lit, right,
so he said, he seemed pretty lit up, like he's
been drinking. He came in with a water bottle which
looked like it had small sup of water at the bottom.

(52:47):
When we got situated upstairs in our room, I offer
to throw his trash away. I figured it was trash
because who wants to carry around a tiny step of
back wash all night?

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Right?

Speaker 2 (52:55):
So at this point, y'all, when I'm reading it, I'm like, Yo,
what the fuck this bitch about to do? Like, like,
what is this? He said no and began pouring a
little sip of liquid into the lid of the bottle.
He handed me the makeshift shotglass and asked me if
I wanted to get on his level. I'm not drinking
your back wash nigga, I laugh. She didn't say nigga,
but I just imagine that what G said. He said,

(53:18):
it's not liqu It's not liquor.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
It's G.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
He said, what the hell is G? I asked, curious
of what it might be, but also not pressed to
take any new drugs. You know, they call it roofie
where you're from, GHB. How do you pronounce a gamma
hydroxy butteric acid.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Yeah, a gamma hydroxy.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Britaric acid, he said, so nonchalantly. You drink daatee break
for fun. You gotta be kidding me. Is that an
Australia thing or do they do that in Africa too?

Speaker 4 (53:50):
I asked.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
He proceeded to tell me how it's supposed to make
you feel and all you need is a small drop
to achieve a recreational high. I figured, since I'm a
woman traveling along, I should be aware of things like this,
and I'm like, no way. I also felt in that
moment that it was important to know what being roofie
feels like so I can stay on my toes. So
I took a little chemical offering fuck it, I said, Yeah,

(54:18):
I was like this girl, what did that feel.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Like, well, when you're reading back to me, damn sounds crazy, yo,
because I would never today that was that was wild.
So this guy was from like mat At Gascar, somewhere
in Africa or Mauritia or something somewhere in Africa and

(54:47):
Somalia something. I think it was Somalia because Somalia's are
like crazy, right.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah, yeah, he was out there and I don't know
what he's talking about, but so I think it was
from Smalia and.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Yeah he I took it and it tasted terrible, like
battery acid, and you know, we went on with our booking.
I don't remember how long you did me were like
thirty minutes, twenty five minutes, and then when it was finished,
like it didn't really hit me until towards the end
of our booking and I just started to feel tipsy.

(55:22):
So it was almost like I took it. Was like
I had like a couple shots on an empty stomach,
kind of tipsy, like where you're like zero two a hundred.
But it wasn't you know, it wasn't crazy. And then
as I started like cleaning up the room and getting dressed,
I you know, took a shower, got dressed, and I
went downstairs. By the time I got to like the

(55:45):
break room, I was like, oh shit, and like you're
thinking about moving, but you're not. You're cut, You're kind
of stuck in the amount. Like I don't know because
this man came in like he didn't seem like he
was sou fucked up, like he's still walking around. He left,
I'm like, how did I don't know? Did you uber hear? Like,

(56:07):
so I'm just thinking, okay, So if I would have
took a little bit more, because I was like on
the cusp of like not being able to control myself
and I just got really tired, and I was like,
if I would have if I would have had taken
a little bit more in a roofy situation, now I
see like damn, like this really like you just start

(56:29):
to decline your your your your legs feel kind of numb,
and your eyes are really heavy, like I think in
the book that I wrote that I like laid down,
fell asleep on the couch and like I was like
in and out, like I can hear everything happening around me,
but I wasn't like talking or I wasn't you know,
my eyes weren't open and then eventually I you know,

(56:53):
it took me a while to get up out of there,
Like I got up. I might have done one more booking.
I don't remember, but I know I went home and
it was like, I'll never forget this. I get in
the Uber because sometimes I would Uber sometimes I would
take the tram, like depending on the time of day.
But I think I fell asleep for so long that
when I got up it was like seven eight in

(57:14):
the morning. I was like, all right, I'm not about
to be in nobody's streets, like piss. Let me get
into Uber. And when he got to my house, I
like I was sleeping in the back seat. He had
to get out of the car and like open my
car door and like help me out of the car.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yeah he was good, and I think I even, yeah,
he was nice. But it was just like I would
take a few steps and do a few things, and
then I'd get weak and I'd have to like sit
back and like rest my head, rest my eye, and
then I'd get up and I'd take a few steps
and like so by the time I got home, I
got to my back porch, I just fell asleep, like

(57:54):
for a couple hours, threw up and fell asleep, and
my roommate came in and was coming out for work
and woke me up. But you know, then I just
went back in the house and went to bed. It
was just like, okay, not doing that again. You know,
I probably smoked the bowl and like went to sleep.
But yeah, it was you effect, that was that was wild.

(58:16):
That was extra. That was definitely that was extra. But
you know, I'm grateful that I lived to tell the tale.
I was able to you know, I was able to
talk about it, you know. And also because I was
in the brothel, Like if I were like out at
a party or like somewhere crazy, no, but because I

(58:37):
knew that, if anything, I could just sleep here. You know,
they're not gonna tell They're not gonna tell me to
go home. You know, they're not gonna let me go
home if I'm super wasted. So I think because I
was there, I was willing to experiment. Like had I
been you know, at the club or a party or something.
No way, no way.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Did you ever feel pressure to do drugs because it
was a possibility that you can make more money.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Yeah, But it wasn't always like it was more like
if I don't do this, I'm gonna because sometimes the
guys get uncomfortable, like if we're you know, they're dancing
there doing coke or whatever, and you're just like for
them to be done, like all right, that's enough. But yeah,

(59:34):
I guess there was some pressure there. It was more
like I don't you know, I want them to feel comfortable,
like I'm mad at a party. You know. I had
a harder time saying no to things that I've already
done before but that I didn't love, Like I don't
love cocaine, you know what I mean, Like, but you know,
you do it sometimes like it just happens, No, not

(59:54):
really now, but like not really. I mean again, it's
just happen, like it's like, yes, I know girl.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
This was not really.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Yes, it's happened. You know. I can't think of the
last time I did it, but you know, because it's
like I don't hate it, but I don't love it.
But like, you know, I have this weird, this weird
relationship with it, I think, but it's never something that
I think about in crave or I've never purchased it,
you know, I've never like gone and found it and

(01:00:24):
bought it. For my Yeah, like I don't have it
on hand, like if I get if someone leaves it around,
I give it away, like I don't. You know, it's
just always like an in the moment thing, you know,
it's like a social thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yeah, and I didn't know this, but you also worked
at Two Brothers, which I'm like, you never mentioned that
to me before.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Yeah, so, uh what else I know? Right before I
went to Asia, I went to uh what area, Townsville
mm hmmm, which is a little town. I think it's
south of Karens, Australia. And you know, I wanted that's

(01:01:09):
a good place to visit if you're over there in
that area and you want to go to the Great
Barrier Reef. That's a good hub for doing different adventures
up that way. So and then Karen's is right there,
so I and there were good flights coming out of
their airport going to Asia. So I went up there.

(01:01:30):
I'm like, well, while I'm up here, let me check
out another establishment and you know, make a couple more
dollars and then I'll fly over to Indonesia. And it
was it was cool. It was a completely different experience there. Yeah,
it was a little stressful, up in there just because
of like I was kind of putting pressure on myself
to make a certain amount, and I was used to

(01:01:51):
a certain cash flow and used to a certain client flow.
So then when I got up there, it was a
different kind of flow. And I was like, well, I'm
only here for like three nights. It's like, uh so, yeah,
that was That was the Bluebird Cafe or whatever the
hell was called.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yeah, the Bluebird.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
And I also didn't like the fact because I'm like, damn,
they can book you for hours. I feel like at
the MT they can only book you for like thirty
minutes increments or an hour, But at Bluebird it was
like three hours. I'm like, who the hell is fucking
for three hours?

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Yeah. So at Empty it was you could get booked
for hours, like I would do three hours with Donnie
over there, but it was more you had a lot
of people that just came in for shorter periods right before.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Work or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Yeah, but Empt was in a smaller town, less girls.
You know, there'd only be like five girls on at night,
and they weren't open twenty four hours. They were only
open to wait. Were they open twenty four hours? I
forget they had no you had to work twelve If

(01:02:56):
you went in, you had to do a twelve hour
shift or something creepy because they only had five girls
on in the mornings, this twelve hour shift. Five girls
on the next shift, so it worked a little differently.
And you know, if someone booked you that long, you
aren't necessary You're not necessarily having sex that whole time.
There's a lot of four playing, a lot of foreplay,

(01:03:17):
a lot of you know, a lot of the rooms
had showers or jacuzzie tubs or bath tubs, so you know,
you get creative and get your bath bomb out and
you know, take a bath together, take a shower and yeah,
like if you did have sex multiple times during a

(01:03:38):
long looking like that kind of like you know, if
you're at home with your man on a Saturday morning
and like you fuck a little bit and then you
like yeah, and then like you know, you come back
to it and get in the shower real quick or
like a little more for play. So you know, it
was some people liked it because it didn't feel rushed.

(01:03:59):
You know, they can go out their own pace. They
only come in X amount of times.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
And they perform a certain way.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Exactly, so and then again, like a lot, especially in
that place, in that particular town, like it's a smaller town,
there's less people, it's the only rathel Like, so guys
would get in there and like book you for longer sessions,
but when you're working them twelves, like it was like
there are some times where your girl was like zombie fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Just laying that spread eagle.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Yeah, just like or like riding but like I'm just
like my ass is moving, but that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
It had to be times you was just like who
this kitty is done, Like I gotta go home, like
I am tired.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Yeah, it would definitely take breaks. It took a lot
of baths and or who back. Yeah, just so, But
then again, a lot of the guys it's not like,
you know, a lot of the dick was very much overage.
There was nothing. You know, there was that one that
African penis that was too big, but for the most part,
like they weren't pound in the pussy and if you

(01:05:11):
squeeze it the right way, you can get them to,
you know, come whenever you need them to. So it's
not like they're just fucking me straight for sixty minutes.
You know you definitely, you know, I was very good
at you know, I like foreplay, so like I can
work with that longer. Some girls don't like four play.
Some girls it's harder to get. Like foreplay is a

(01:05:32):
little more intimate to me than penetration, because penetration it's
just you just put the dick in the vagina, like
and you go back and forth. Where it's like foreplay,
you're you're checking out different zones, you're tests in the waters,
you're seeing yeah, like you know, trying to catch a
catch a vibe and see what works and what doesn't work.

(01:05:54):
So that's a little more intentional. So and like I
I'm good at that, I guess, so I didn't mind
doing that part and like doing less with my vagina
and more with just like that, you know, more intentional foreplay.
And I think that's also why guys got really into it, because,

(01:06:17):
like I said, a lot of girls just received dick.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Yeah, from what I've.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Been told, I don't you know, I don't have a dick,
I don't put nowhere. So but from what I've been
told by a lot of men, is that a lot
of girls just kind of receive like there's not a
lot of foreplay. You know, they might stuck on it
a little bit and like ride your face a little bit,
but to be able to like get you know, kissing
on someone's neck and biting on their ears, I can't
see if their nipple like you know, pinching their nipples

(01:06:43):
or whatever, and just like seeing what's going to happen
if you like her touch there like that people want. Yeah,
people don't. People aren't getting that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Like the I will experience.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Yeah, they're not getting that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Are you still in contact with any of your clients
because I didn't know you mentioned in the book you
were saying how like some of them have your Instagram page,
they have your number.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
So one of them, Exavier, Yes, we are.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
I think he took you out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Yeah, at least he took me out. And he ended
up giving me a place to stay for like two
weeks because the place I was renting I was subletting,
Like my sublet least ended maybe a week before I
was leaving the country or something like that. So he's like, oh,
you just crashed my place. So he and I we are.

(01:07:39):
You know, when you're friends with people on Facebook and
Instagram and like you like things and like oh like
that looks fun, like whatever, right, yeah, but like I don't,
like I haven't seen him since then, but yeah, like
we like each other's like stuff on the internet, and
I think that's it. Oh know my man's uh no,

(01:08:05):
I don't want to say the real name because I
told you I changed their names, but I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Tell me was he a student, the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Sexy one, the sexy e Abram Abram that's the one
that the one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
And we went to his house and they but the the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
One with the hearing as.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Yes, yeah. So we're also we might last time I checked,
we were like friends on the internet, but yeah we
made or not because I just recently went and like,
you know, you follow people every couple of years that
they're not really posting anything. So I may have recently unfollowed,

(01:08:51):
but you know, for a while, yeah, we would you know,
like each other's things, congratulations whatever like that kind of ship.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Yeah, last I what is something that you hope readers
will understand about women or just people in general who
do sex work? Because I feel like with this book,
like granted, had had a lot of steamy moments, but
I also felt like you kind of like highlight the
importance of how we need each other or how we
show up for each other when it comes to like
loneliness and like disrespecting people, not passing judgment stuff and

(01:09:22):
stuff like that. So what do you hope that people
receive from reading your book?

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Yeah, I want people to, like you said, just recognize, recognize,
Like there are people out there that need safe spaces
to explore their sexuality. Whether you think their sexuality or
their fetishes are deviant or not. Yeah, they're They're a thing.

(01:09:48):
There exist, and they need to be explored, and they
need to be you know, fostered in a way that
can help someone live a healthy life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
You know, I look at someone like Donnie, who I
feel like Later down in the book, we had three interactions,
and by the last interaction, I was really like putting
the damn public. I felt like a detective, like on
my way to our interaction is that eventually we made
it out of like the brothel, like into the motel,
and I'm like all right, Like part of me is

(01:10:21):
like are you this is this crazy? But it's like
I trust him because he trusts me, Like he's not
gonna and I'm not a dumb ass, like I can
really read people. I'm like, I feel like he's not
gonna lure me over to this hotel and kill me
because the one he's fat as fuck. I wish the
nigga would so.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
But people now, I don't want to estimate that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
No, no, no, you're right, you're right. But like someone
like that who you know, wanted to like found his
found his community. He found his his spetish kinky community.
And you know, every once in a while would would
partake with people in different things. But he wasn't like

(01:11:04):
going out and dating rent regular people. You know, like,
how do you like? You know? So a lot of
people have like that black and white view of sex.
So if you're dealing with someone but deep down, like
you're dating someone or you know, dealing with someone romantically,
and deep down you have these kinks and these fetishes
and you feel this way about sex, it's gonna eat you.

(01:11:26):
You know. I met a lot of married men who
it's like I love my wife and you know, we
have our kids, and you know, our life is great.
We have good jobs and homes and cars and whatever,
but the bedroom is dry. There's no love life. There's
no spark and I don't know how to get the spark,
and she's tired and she just had a baby, and
you know, I don't really want to like show her

(01:11:48):
all the love and affection. I just want my dick
sucks so I can go to sleep, like because you know,
if you're going to if you're going to like be
intimate with your partner, the person you're married to, and
you know, if you're just you know, let's say I'm
the guy and I'm like, I'm just so tired. I
just want to get, you know, ejaculate and go on.
And I go and have sex with my wife and

(01:12:08):
it's not like exciting. And I didn't call her pretty
during that time. I didn't smack her ass und up
whatever that could then lead to her feeling like, oh,
that's what's wrong with me? Like that right. Yeah. So
it's like either couples need to communicate and just say, hey,
like this is a physical night, like just be physical

(01:12:30):
with me, yeah, and then let's wrap it up. I
don't really want to talk. We don't even got to
do all to extra cuddle in and whatnot, because we
got to get the kids out to the bath or
whatever they're doing you know what I mean, like family
shit and like I've had guys tell me like we
just don't have time, like because then you got to
get the four play going, then you gotta do this,
and she might need to like get the blob out

(01:12:52):
and it's like, now, I'm not saying this is good
or bad. What I'm saying is people need to figure
it the fuck out. And if you don't figure out
the fuck out, they don't come and fuck somebody in
a brothel.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
MM tell everybody your book.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
So you can get my book at www. Thank you
Jazz dot com. On there you can read the first
chapter like a little sneak py you of the first chapter.
I also have books that you can buy that will
be signed, or you can click for the Amazon link,
and I have the kindle version as well as the

(01:13:32):
paperback version.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Yes, and also you can click the link in the
show notes below. So I would definitely make sure it's
accessible so we can make sure we support our girl
Jazz here. But honestly, I am so proud of you.
I'm I mean, we talked about this many years ago
and we are finally here, so whatever. Crazy, yeah, but
if we're gonna have a page in volume four, and

(01:13:55):
it's it's gonna be so dope for y'all to be
able to interact and hear her story. So please, please, please,
to make sure you support our favorite professional homegirl. She's
been with me since I want to say, day one, right,
damn near?

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Yeah, it started, I feel like since twenty eighteen, twenty yes, yeah,
so at when you first started twenty nineteen, so yeah
by nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Okay, so day one. So listen for girl here, and
I'm just so proud of you, and thank you so
much for coming on the show and allowing me this
opportunity to talk more about your journey with jazz.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Thank you. You know this is my first jazz interview. Okay,
but charing, I know, I'm just like, it's exciting and
I love hearing people's feedback. And you know, I know
your community is going to gobble it up. Oh please,
you be bringing you know, you be bringing the story
honey and all this. I think we need to do

(01:14:52):
an episode with all the sex workers or something. We
just all need to get together. Oh codes, because I
just listened to part two after the Spooky series, the
part two of the Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Y'all will click well, I'm a New York.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Stripper, was clicking up.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Yeah, she's so, there's a couple on there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
There's a couple of girls on there. That and again,
like we all have different experiences, like if you don't
know a stripper, if you don't know what to ask,
if you don't know anyone in the industry, you're just
gonna you know, know what you see in media or
what you assume. Yeah, there's so much to learn.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Oh, I actually love that idea. I'm gonna definitely start
working on that now so we can get that going
for the beginning of January because most of the content
is done for the rest of this year, y'all. I'm like,
I want to enjoy some of the holiday with my
family and friends. But I love that idea. So okay,
come on now, come on, moderator.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
So much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yeah, because she y'all, it's like, I have a lot
of similarities, but like you said, everybody is from different
walks of life. And I actually have another homegirl. She's
been on the shore, on the sh she just retired
from escorton so I think we talked about her story.
Her story is really really good as well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
So yeah, yes, and I don't know many escorts, you
know what I mean, especially a lot of answers. Yeah,
like when I was doing this, you know, overseas, whoever
I met over there. Yeah, and there's a few that
I'm so like Instagram friends with actually, but like you know,
it'd be cool to connect with other Black American escorts

(01:16:27):
and just hear each other's you know, experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Well, I can't wait. We're gonna make this happen definitely
in the new year, for sure. But to listeners, if
you have any questions, comments, to concerns, please make sure
email me a hello at the PSG podcast dot com.
Like I said, please make sure we support our girl Jazz.
The link would be in the show notes below, and
also purchase from that link because it's going to be
from my Amazon storefront. Okay, and until next time, everyone,
Thank you, thank you, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Later, welcome by y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
That's how I know you of it, because I didn't
have to tell you by you have to say right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
All, I'd be waiting for people saying right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
I'm like, say by day, but later, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
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