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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Welcome to Securing America with me Frank Gaffney, the program
that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country
we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the
glory of God and his Kingdom. We're going to be
talking about some very important subjects. Important, yes, in the
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macro sense, for the nation, for the free world, for
the well it's Western civilization. But also I'm going to
make the argument that we're going to be talking about
things that should be of great importance to you personally individually,
your family, your business, your community. And who better to
talk to about all of these subjects than men of
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vast experience, notably in political life, having worked on some
three hundred campaigns at every level, president on down. A
man who these days is the editor of a marvelous
online resource, Conservative HQ, the newsletter of Richard Vigory, an
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iconic figure in the conservative movement, his name is George Rasley.
He is also best known, perhaps to our audience as
our duty genius here at Securing America, a member of
the Mensa Society, and men who invariably says he will
try to live up to this billing, and he will,
but also whose appearances on this program are one of
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its highlights, and we're always so grateful to him for
joining us, especially for a full hour as we kick
off twenty twenty six and take stock of well a
little bit of the year in the past, but now
very much focused on what is ahead. I'm fond of saying, George,
a happy new year, if you can keep it, welcome
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my friend. Good to have you with us.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, thank you, Frank, and happy new Year to you.
We will try and keep it. That's what we're here for.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
We will try to keep it for sure, and that's
what we're about at this program, of course, is trying
to keep it. George, let me start by talking to
you about the developments of last weekend and the action
that President Trump took. I have to say I can't remember, certainly,
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in my memory my lifetime a more courageous, risky, fraught
presidential decision than this one. Maybe you could put Jimmy
Carter deciding to send troops in to try to liberate
hostages in Iran. We saw how that worked out, and
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that would almost certainly have been very much on Donald
Trump's mind as he made the order to go get
Nicholas Maduro and his wife in a heavily fortified compound
in the heart of the capital of Venezuela. What did
you make on the presidential leadership and sheer guts scale?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
How would you rate that, sir well, I think that
it's undoubtedly.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
One of the if not the most gutsy presidential decisions
in our two hundred and fifty year history. It was
also a necessary one because allowing Maduro to stay in
power in Venezuela allowed the cancer that he was bringing
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into our hemisphere to mattastesize even further.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And people want.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
To look at this as a sort of bilateral issue,
if you will, it's the US versus Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It's the US versus Venezuela, versus Iran, versus Red China,
versus Russia versus pretty much anybody else who might be
thinking about becoming an enemy of the United States. So
I had a column, you know, in the aftermath of
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the immediate aftermath of that raid, in which I said
that it was a two for maybe four a five
for if those were words terms in the English language,
because it was such a you know, the secondary implications
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of the raid were so massive, so important, so relevant
to our present security situation.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I could agree more, and in fact I want to
turn in a moment to another example of what he
is doing in exhibiting leadership, specifically in this rubric of
hemispheric security. But just staying with Nasoila for a moment, more, George,
much as being made of the fact that, yes, Nicholas
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Maduro and his wife were extracted, but the rest of
the power structure is still there, the Russians, the Chinese,
the Iranians, Hezbollah, the Cubanos. Well, aside from the thirty
or so that we're taken out in the Praetorian Guard,
those Cubans are all still there. What do you say
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to people who are perhaps prepared to agree with you
that it would make a profound difference if Venezuela were liberated,
but there were kind of distance from doing that at
this point, and it may not happen for them there.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Well, there is a long road to travel to get
to what would be the ideal situation in Venezuela, which
is a democratically elected pro American government. And I say
that from the perspective of someone who actually was at
the inauguration of the last democratically elected president of Venezuela,
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Carlos Andres Perez Chi staff the Vice president in his
visit there immediately, Yeah, our vice president immediately after the
our nineteen eighty nine inauguration where Bush and Quail took
over from Reagan and Bush. So, you know, this has
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been a long time coming, and we have, you know,
a long long.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Period of.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
An undemocratic, socialist, communist, kleptocratic Venezuela to overcome. But I
would remind, yeah, I would remind the audience that, you know,
there are a lot of ways to accomplish these goals besides.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You know, shooting.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
And I think that the Trump administration is well on
the road to making a transition to a pro American
administration in Venezuela, through intelligence operations, through negotiations, and so
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for example, we are hearing reports that the vice president
who took over once a Maduro was snatched, has been
playing ball with us for almost a year, and so
this is a you know, clearly behind the scenes intelligence
operation that's been working with her.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And I would.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Suggest that it would be wise for critics to withhold
their criticism until we see how these operations work. Out,
and the President has made it quite clear that he's
prepared for another strike if that's necessary. But it would
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be much obviously would be much better if we didn't
have to do that.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
George McInnes just to take a break here in just
a moment. But as we speak, there are reports that
this former Vice president and let's be clear, long time,
you know, enabler and colleague and comrade of Nicholas Maduro
Delsia Rodriguez, is apparently agreed that we're going to get
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something on the order. It's a rather big expanse between
thirty and fifty million barrels of Venezuela and oil for
President Trump to sell and dispose of the proceeds of
the sale as he sees fit, ostensibly to the benefit
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of both the vends, oil and people and our own
I want to ask you on the other side of
this break, you know what's that about? How would that work?
And do you think it can catalyze the kind of
transformation that's required in the government of Venezuela. Right back
with more with George Raisley state due. We're back. So
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is George Rasley our duty genius here at Securing America
A man of uncommon common sense as well as high intellect. George,
you have been following closely, I know, the kinds of
evolution in our energy posture in this country. President Trump
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made it a signature campaign pledge that we would regain
not only energy security after much of it was squandered,
including notably our you know, precious petroleum stockpile, but also
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the you know, rebuilding of the capacity to extract oil
in this country. And now we're hearing a lot about
oil in Venezuela, and it's been described by the President
as our oil. It has been his purpose there to
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get it back. He's talking about sending a delegation of
major oil executives down there to invest massively in the
venezuel And energy sector to try to get it back
online after it was ruined really by Ugo Chavez and
then Nicholas maduro So. And then on top of it,
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there's this talk about getting thirty to fifty million barrels
of that oil right quick immediately, I think is the
term the President used. Tell us what's going on here, sir,
what we should make of it?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, it's important to recognize that, you know, Venezuela and
oil has been under sanction for many years, and consequently
it has been traded on the gray market, the black market.
It's been part of what amounts to nation state money
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laundering operation with the Russians and the Iranians, yeah, and
the Chinese.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And so.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Bringing Venezuela and oil back onto the legitimate world market
will presumably lower the price on the world market because
more supply, lower price.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
But more to the.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Point, the Venezuelan economy is largely dependent on oil and
it has taken a massive, massive hit. I have to
recognize that at one time Venezuela was you had the
fourth highest GDP in the world. It had a standard
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of living that was first world and the destruction of
the Venezuelan economy by Chevez and Maduro has devastated the
Venezuelan people. I saw an article and I believe it
to be true that the average Venezuelan has lost almost
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twenty pounds in the last decade because they're starving. I mean,
even middle class people, professionals, business owners are you know,
having trouble finding food. And so to the extent that
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the president has the ability to take the millions of
dollars that would be raised by selling this oil on
the world market and use that for the benefit of
the Venezuelan people obviously helps in encouraging this transition, because
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you know, the average person on the street in Caracas,
for example, has suffered terribly, and to the extent that
we have the ability to put a big American flag
on any relief of that suffering is to our great advantage. Additionally,
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there is the issue of the Venezuelan confiscation of our
oil investments in the country, and you know, yeah, and
so compensation is due for that. How that and when
that compensation is achieved is yet to be determined. But clearly,
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you know, some of the proceeds of this oil sale
could could go to that, or could go to encouraging
American oil companies to re engage with Venezuela and assisting
them in their development efforts.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
You know, we had Rod Martin on the other day
and he made the observation that when we talk here
President Trump, talking specifically about our oil in Venezuela, he
makes the observation that you know, that oil was made
available to Venezuela by virtue of those investments of American companies.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
They were, yes, profiting from the results of exploiting that oil,
but fifty percent of the proceeds, according to Rod, was
actually going to the government of Venezuela, so it wasn't
as though we were ripping it off. He said, if
you were doing it in the Permian basin, you know
that owners might get twenty percent of the proceeds rather
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than fifty percent. So this is a this is a
sort of writing of the ship that is in order here.
And I guess the question is against the backdrop of
and as yet untransitioned government and you know, cartel state
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doing business as a nation and government. Can you get
there from here? I guess is the question. And do
you have a sense of how this would work, how
we would take possession of that oil, how we would
get it, you know, to those international markets.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
George Well, the resident or one of his spokesmen, I forget,
which has said that it will go directly into storage
ships and be which are controlled by the United States,
and you know, essentially auctioned if you will. And so
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we will physically as well as financially control how that works.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
And I think that's.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
An unrecognized major step in this transition process. I mean,
this is in essence, the antagonistic government of Venezuela surrendering
a huge opportunity to the United States. And so it's
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hard to put exactly into words what this really but
it's almost a surrender of a chunk of Venezuelan sovereignty,
if you will.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, And obviously there are a lot of people, a
lot of people who are very sensitive to that being
done to the benefit of the United States, even though
it will be very much to the benefit of the
long suffering people of Venezuela, Georgia. Just a quick further comment,
one of the things that you sort of alluded to
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in terms of an upside of all of this is
further reducing the price of oil on the international market,
and that contributes, of course to further reducing inflation, and
that contributes further to you know, the affordability as it's
being called in our country, of not just energy, but
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a whole host of other things that derive from that.
Is that a consideration do you think, in again netting
out the up and down sides of this courageous presidential action.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean it should be if again, it
is a huge benefit to the average consumer here in
the United States to see oil prices go down, and
that translates into lower gas costs, lower commuting costs, lower
home heating costs this winter, and it should be recognized
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as an important contribution politically as well. I mean, imagine
a drop in oil prices and gas prices at the
pump going into the twenty twenty six mid terms.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You've tied up perfectly what I want to turn to
next in our long block. We'll be right back with
George Racley about the upcoming midterm elections and what it
portends for America in the world. Right after this, we're back.
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We're back with fortunately one of our great resources on
all things political, because well it is twenty twenty six
and it is a political year. There will be mid
term elections for a third of the Senate, for all
of the House of Representatives, and for large numbers of
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state legislators and some governors and others around the country.
We have had a recent election, of course, in the
previous off year. George and I want to talk with
you about the first days of the Zorn Mamdani mayor
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to mayoralty in New York City. But before we do,
talk to us a little bit as a man who
is intimately familiar with the world of politics, having, as
I said at the outset, served in one capacity or
another on some three hundred campaigns over your career. How
are you making book on this falls well, midterms and
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these other elections as well well.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I remain cautiously optimistic on the issue side, and you know,
the issues are clearly all on the Republican and Conservative
in MAGA.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Side of the ledger.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I am less optimistic on the technical side because midterm
elections are turnout elections. The turnout is going to be lower.
President Trump's not on the ballot and he's a big
turnout driver.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
H And so.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It really comes down to do we have confidence in
the Republican leadership UH to deploy the necessary resources in
a winning manner. And I'm not as optimistic simply because
the track record of these guys isn't all that great.
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Plus the fact, yeah, and plus the fact we've got
a couple of unexpected challenges Dougla Moffa passing away unexpectedly
and Baird being in this terrible car accident, you know,
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certainly added to questionable.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Seats to our count there.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
On the other hand, the Democrats are in such disarray.
I mean, you know, to the extent that there may
be a disagreement or an alleged civil war between you know,
MAGA and the Republican establishment that pales in comparison to
what's going on in the Democratic Party right now and
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so uh. And part of the reason for that is that,
you know, the populist MAGA side appears to be winning
in the so called Republican civil war. On the Democratic side,
the far left WACO side is winning. And uh. You know,
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the national appeal of guys like Zorin Mandami, AOC, all
these other far left democrats is zero. It only works
in the big urban areas.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And where there's a million Muslims in the case of Mamdani,
and large numbers of Democratic Socialists Communists, yeah, as operatives
as well. George, I do, I do want to come
back to Mamdani in just a moment, but just staying
with the politics thing, the one whole card it seems
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that the Democrats think they have is that there's going
to be unbelievable hardship. Say, it's nothing of sticker shock
for millions and millions and millions of Americans over healthcare
and costs that are now going to rise because of
a end of subsidies that were I guess, you know,
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first introduced in the COVID pandemic moment. How do what
does that play out? Do you think? And is that
in fact going to be a decisive issue for Democrats
do you believe?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Well, First of all, the healthcare quote affordability end of
quote issue is one that has been I think badly
mangled by the national media, probably intentionally to help the Democrats.
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But let's keep in mind that nothing that these subsidies
were doing is actually lowering the cost of health care.
It's merely transferring the burden. And so to the extent
that someone was getting a taxpayer subsidy for their health care,
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that merely meant that people who weren't getting the subsidy
were paying for it. And it remains to be seen
really whether or not the people who lose their subsidies
were Republican voters or who were already on the other side.
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And I know Senator Josh Holly is very concerned that
quote his people end up quote will be losing you know,
some of their subsidies will We'll see how that works out.
And how the Trump administration answers that question. But to
the extent that there's all this talk about you know,
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healthcare costs going up, well, they're only going up for
people who were being subsidized by other people, and so
their squeak will Republicans need to message.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
On yeah, And it will be interesting to see if
they will have the fortitude to do that or whether
they will perceive this is a huge vulnerability to them,
and they will begin trying to figure out how to
throw other people's money at the problem. George, let me
turn to Mamdani because he's obviously going to be capitalizing
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on this, among many other things. I have to say,
even as much as I thought I had stealed myself
for what this well Marxist, jihadist twelver was going to
have in the way of an agenda, I have been
somewhat surprised to see right out of the gate appointees
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of this mayor pronouncing that they're going to end private property,
at least white people's private property, and begin, you know,
essentially having the state buying up property and thereby becoming
you know, well, I guess the term he used in
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his mayoral address embracing the warmth of collectivism. What are
we to make of all this?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, well, based on history, the warmth of collectivism is
the warmth of the grave. So yeah, it turns out. Yeah,
I suspect that Mandami's agenda is going to run into
the hard reality of the coldness of cash as it proceeds.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
But it should fright, But it could have just interrupt
you on that, George, because this is something we need
to tease out. The coldness of cash. Suggests that your
view that this won't work without you know, other people's money,
you know, lubricating it all. Our colleague of friend, Sam
Fattis points out that he's not he's not really interested
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in making it work. Failure is a is a plus,
it's a it's a feature, not a bug. As they say,
he is looking to have chaos in the city of
New York, not have a functioning system under a socialist medal.
Do you disagree with that assessment.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Sir, Uh, I think that Sam is onto something there. Uh.
And the question though, in my mind is where does
the chaos lead and what is uh? You know, what's
there in the goal? If chaos is the you know,
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is the intention? And it seems to me that they
have to come up with a way of producing on
some of their promises.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And so if if chaos is the only goal, uh,
then certainly they're well tied up to to accomplish chaos,
if chaos can be considered an accomplishment. But you know,
back to my initial point, there's got to be you know,
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if you promising free bus rides, people who were promised
those free bus rides are going to expect them to
happen pretty quick and so mandame.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But the buses will continue to run.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
So you know, Mamdammy has this same problem that Trump
has in a sense of these great high expectations for
immediate results. So if those results don't occur, certainly chaos
is you know, well that's a result, I guess. But
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if people don't get what they were promised in terms
of free bus bus rides, stay run grocery stores, YadA, YadA, YadA,
then there's going to be a different kind of chaos
that Mondami may not want, which is you know, thousands
of people showing up in front of Gracie Mansion demanding
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their free bus ride.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, it does at the end of the day, come
down to whose ox is being gored, doesn't it. Yeah, so, George,
if Mam Donnie is not simply a revolutionary whose ideas
basically I think the leniss one of the worse the better.
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But he's going to have to somehow make things work
to the point where at least the people that are
going to be part of the revolution are going to be,
you know, aiming their pitchforks at landlords and capitalists and
white people and the like. It does sound as though
this is going to be a management challenge for him,
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even if chaos is the desired objective. We have to
take a break. We're going to come right back with
George Racy and we're going to talk about, among other things,
on the other side, where do we go on January sixth,
and it's fifth anniversary and more Right after this we're back,
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So is George Raceley, the editor of Conservative h Q.
I'm told something on the order of a quarter million
people subscribe to George's outstanding resource. I hope you will
be one of them. It is a very very important
contributor to the public policy debate, and especially if you
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are like me of a conservative mind, it is really
invaluable in terms of both George's thinking and that of
others who's telling that he draws upon to inform and
well equip us to make sensible policy decisions in the
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national security arena and more. George, thank you for all
of that. Of course, let me just ask you. You
had prominently featured on your Conservative HQ page in the
recent days an analysis of January sixth, twenty twenty one.
Where we are five years on, I keep hearing from
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the media that, you know, it's absolutely proven that this
was an insurrection that Donald Trump was responsible for for
a minute, you know, inspiring it and making it happen,
and its purpose was to overthrow the government of the
United States full stop.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Do you agree, Well, if that was an insurrect, it
was the lamest and most inadequate insurrection ever.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Undertaken.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
It was, in my mind, a legitimate protest that was
directed to get out of hand by actions of the
former Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi and her minions
in the Capitol Police and the Metropolitan Police of Washington,
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d C. And the information that's come out subsequent to
January sixth, as I think demonstrated, if not proven beyond
a reasonable doubt, that that is in fact the case
from a political perspective, and I hate to, you know,
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put it this way, because many of the J six
protesters suffered unbelievable hardship subsequent to that, including some that
were driven to suicide. But the rest of of America,
outside of the Democratic members of Congress, has long ago
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moved on from January sixth. It doesn't show up in
any political polling as an issue.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
It's way way way. I mean, you know, if.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
It's in the top fifty for those and it means
a lot. And let's get this straight. It means a
lot to the people who suffered and their families, and
they I believe have a legitimate claim to be made
whole on a whole range of matters. But the rest
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of America is more concerned about the price of gas,
you know, their job security, the price of food, things
like that. And so as much as I sympathize with
the JA six protesters who appear in the video, by
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the way that you referenced on Conservative HQ today, you
know the rest of America isn't focused on that.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
So, just to tie this off, does your analysis of
what happened that day and.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
That of the you know, the.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Video that you are touting here come to the conclusion
that I have that this was a direct action operation
by the Democrats, notably Nancy Pelosi, with help from the
mayor of Washington, d C. And evidently large numbers of
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FBI undercover personnel and informants and presumably other provocateurs brought
in for the purpose to undermine Donald Trump and essentially fracture,
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if not more or less put out of business, his base.
And honestly, in hindsight, it certainly seems as though that
explanation best fits the facts. Would you agree? Oh?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think that one of the failures
of the Republican majority in the House has been to
ferret out the details of that and to expose them.
And this is something that is sort of promise to
people during the twenty twenty four campaign and as yet
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to happen.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
But all the.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Evidence that I've seen, and I've spent probably hundreds of
hours reading and reviewing and talking to people who were there,
indicates that this was in fact a well planned.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Direct action as you put it.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, and clearly Pelosi, Christopher Ray, the mayor of Washington,
d C. We're all working in concert to create chaos,
to hit a subject that we just talked about in
the last segment, and they largely succeeded. Where they failed
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was in aiding Trump as a political force, and I
think people were more intensely committed to the Trump agenda
than ever after January sixth than they were before it.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
And George, just thirty seconds on this, are you also
persuaded that the January sixth protests were correct in their calculation,
their estimation, their assessment that the election of twenty twenty
four had been stolen?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Excuse me, Oh yeah, there's tons and tons of evidence
that's coming out. Tulci Gabbard has alluded to it, I
hope will be revealed in more detail. But more to
the point, the people there had a constitutional right to
show up and protest and to petition their government, and
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to the extent that they were provoked into any kind
of violent action by this was part of this chaos
creating strategy, the scheme.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
The conspiracy. George hold the thought, we'll be right back
with more with the Great George Racy right after this.
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We're back for one final installment in this very special
hour long conversation. I look forward from one of our
most revered political seers, and that would be George Racley,
the editor of Conservative HQ. You can find his work
and that of many other important contributors to the public
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policy debate at Conservative hq dot com. Subscribe so you
don't miss a single of it. George, we touched on
this a little bit in connection with Mamdani, a jihadist
actually of the Iranian Shiai school, which makes him a
twelve ver, which makes him, according to that strain of Islam,
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in favor of bringing about the apocalypse so as to
usher in the golden age of Islam, in the return
of the Madi, and so on. There are others, not
necessarily of that particular stripe, but who similarly adhere to Sharia,
who seek its supremacy in our country, replacing our constitution
and dominating our part of Western civilization, as they're busily
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doing other parts as well. I wanted to ask you
about this revelation of what some of those who are
part of this movement of Somali extraction in Minnesota have
been found out to be doing in the way of
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well kind of stealthyach you had, I guess what might
call it, and the knock on effects of the revelations
of epic fraud there on the candidacy of Tim Waltz,
the assipting governor, to run for a third term.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Well, the revelations about this vast fraud, some have to
suggested it's as much as nineteen billion dollars in counting.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Are I mean, this is the model of.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
The Agency for International Development grift on the federal level
taken down to the state level, in which favored individuals
and interests, in this case the Somali community, a huge
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voting block for Democrats. In fact, you know them. They're
they're the reason Democrats control Minnesota. Now, uh they were
in essence paid off by allowing them to corruptly uh
access these billions of dollars in federal payments. And this
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was not an accident, This is not incompetence. This was
Waltz and the Democrats in Minnesota turning a blind eye
to these guys stealing these billions of dollars in return
for their political support. And there's no other way to
look at it. And uh so that in the same
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way that a I D enriched favored Democrats in their
not profit organizations, So the same model was used in
Minnesota to enrich these guys.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
So back the lends up a little bit, George. And
to what extent is this evidence not only of grift
as you called it, and corruption at the highest levels
in that state, but also of you know, the agenda
of the Sharia supremacists to take us down, you know,
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using stealthy techniques if violence may not operate at the moment.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, Well, these these billions of dollars, a lot of
them went back to Somalia to UH support UH Sharia
supremacist military operations there. They also have gone to UH
support mosques and other command and control centers, probably not
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just in Minnesota, but all over the country. And so again,
the flow of cash into these guys was is directly
supporting the undermining of our constitutional republic. And you know this,
This isn't a case where a few guys got rich
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and got caught. This is a endemic funding mechanism for
the enemies of our constitutional republic with our own tax dollars.
And it's something that the Democrats, it's not a bug,
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it's a feature of how they operate.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
George. You allude there to the point that some of
this money would have flowed into other places in the
United States and be used for the purposes of mosque
building or creating you know, Sharia compliant communities, no go zones,
and similar subversion. Texas is one place where I suspect
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that's been happening. We certainly see flows of money from
Michigan and elsewhere in the country and flows of people
moving to Texas for the purposes of establishing you know,
this Sharia infrastructure. We're going to be talking a good
bit about this this week as it happens. I'm going
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to be participating in some of the programs that are
going to take place in the Dallas area featuring the
marvelous Dutch parliamentarian and freedom fighter geart builders and our
friend Steve Bannon and Peter Mackavian and others who have
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been warning of what's coming to Texas and the stakes
for the country if it succeeds there. Could you give
us a quick appreciation of the importance of all of that.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, well, I mean, these guys are very smart and strategic,
and they recognize that if Texas falls, America falls, and
they have targeted Texas with mosque building, with importing thousands
of Muslims into the state for the purpose of turning
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Texas into Minnesota. And these are targeted efforts. I mean,
the whole reason that smalli's are where they are is
part of an effort to take out a conservative rockstar,
Michelle Bachman.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
And it worked.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
And so you know to the extent that people need
to understand what's going on here. This is not an accident.
They're not in Texas for the sunny weather. They're there
to under mind the constitutional Republic of the United States
of America.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Full stop. George, we have to stop. This is a
critical point to which we will return with you in
the very near future, and to which we will be
addressing ourselves with a lot of others as well. In
the meantime. God bless you, my friend. Thanks for the
great work you do a conservative HQ. I know youll
keep it. Thanks Thanks for the rest of you joining us.
I hope you go back next time. Until then, go
forth and multiply
Welcome to Securing America with me Frank Gaffney, the program
that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country
we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the
glory of God and his Kingdom. We're going to be
talking about some very important subjects. Important, yes, in the
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macro sense, for the nation, for the free world, for
the well it's Western civilization. But also I'm going to
make the argument that we're going to be talking about
things that should be of great importance to you personally individually,
your family, your business, your community. And who better to
talk to about all of these subjects than men of
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vast experience, notably in political life, having worked on some
three hundred campaigns at every level, president on down. A
man who these days is the editor of a marvelous
online resource, Conservative HQ, the newsletter of Richard Vigory, an
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iconic figure in the conservative movement, his name is George Rasley.
He is also best known, perhaps to our audience as
our duty genius here at Securing America, a member of
the Mensa Society, and men who invariably says he will
try to live up to this billing, and he will,
but also whose appearances on this program are one of
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its highlights, and we're always so grateful to him for
joining us, especially for a full hour as we kick
off twenty twenty six and take stock of well a
little bit of the year in the past, but now
very much focused on what is ahead. I'm fond of saying, George,
a happy new year, if you can keep it, welcome
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my friend. Good to have you with us.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, thank you, Frank, and happy new Year to you.
We will try and keep it. That's what we're here for.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
We will try to keep it for sure, and that's
what we're about at this program, of course, is trying
to keep it. George, let me start by talking to
you about the developments of last weekend and the action
that President Trump took. I have to say I can't remember, certainly,
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in my memory my lifetime a more courageous, risky, fraught
presidential decision than this one. Maybe you could put Jimmy
Carter deciding to send troops in to try to liberate
hostages in Iran. We saw how that worked out, and
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that would almost certainly have been very much on Donald
Trump's mind as he made the order to go get
Nicholas Maduro and his wife in a heavily fortified compound
in the heart of the capital of Venezuela. What did
you make on the presidential leadership and sheer guts scale?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
How would you rate that, sir well, I think that
it's undoubtedly.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
One of the if not the most gutsy presidential decisions
in our two hundred and fifty year history. It was
also a necessary one because allowing Maduro to stay in
power in Venezuela allowed the cancer that he was bringing
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into our hemisphere to mattastesize even further.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And people want.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
To look at this as a sort of bilateral issue,
if you will, it's the US versus Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It's the US versus Venezuela, versus Iran, versus Red China,
versus Russia versus pretty much anybody else who might be
thinking about becoming an enemy of the United States. So
I had a column, you know, in the aftermath of
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the immediate aftermath of that raid, in which I said
that it was a two for maybe four a five
for if those were words terms in the English language,
because it was such a you know, the secondary implications
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of the raid were so massive, so important, so relevant
to our present security situation.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I could agree more, and in fact I want to
turn in a moment to another example of what he
is doing in exhibiting leadership, specifically in this rubric of
hemispheric security. But just staying with Nasoila for a moment, more, George,
much as being made of the fact that, yes, Nicholas
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Maduro and his wife were extracted, but the rest of
the power structure is still there, the Russians, the Chinese,
the Iranians, Hezbollah, the Cubanos. Well, aside from the thirty
or so that we're taken out in the Praetorian Guard,
those Cubans are all still there. What do you say
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to people who are perhaps prepared to agree with you
that it would make a profound difference if Venezuela were liberated,
but there were kind of distance from doing that at
this point, and it may not happen for them there.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Well, there is a long road to travel to get
to what would be the ideal situation in Venezuela, which
is a democratically elected pro American government. And I say
that from the perspective of someone who actually was at
the inauguration of the last democratically elected president of Venezuela,
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Carlos Andres Perez Chi staff the Vice president in his
visit there immediately, Yeah, our vice president immediately after the
our nineteen eighty nine inauguration where Bush and Quail took
over from Reagan and Bush. So, you know, this has
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been a long time coming, and we have, you know,
a long long.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Period of.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
An undemocratic, socialist, communist, kleptocratic Venezuela to overcome. But I
would remind, yeah, I would remind the audience that, you know,
there are a lot of ways to accomplish these goals besides.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You know, shooting.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
And I think that the Trump administration is well on
the road to making a transition to a pro American
administration in Venezuela, through intelligence operations, through negotiations, and so
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for example, we are hearing reports that the vice president
who took over once a Maduro was snatched, has been
playing ball with us for almost a year, and so
this is a you know, clearly behind the scenes intelligence
operation that's been working with her.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And I would.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Suggest that it would be wise for critics to withhold
their criticism until we see how these operations work. Out,
and the President has made it quite clear that he's
prepared for another strike if that's necessary. But it would
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be much obviously would be much better if we didn't
have to do that.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
George McInnes just to take a break here in just
a moment. But as we speak, there are reports that
this former Vice president and let's be clear, long time,
you know, enabler and colleague and comrade of Nicholas Maduro
Delsia Rodriguez, is apparently agreed that we're going to get
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something on the order. It's a rather big expanse between
thirty and fifty million barrels of Venezuela and oil for
President Trump to sell and dispose of the proceeds of
the sale as he sees fit, ostensibly to the benefit
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of both the vends, oil and people and our own
I want to ask you on the other side of
this break, you know what's that about? How would that work?
And do you think it can catalyze the kind of
transformation that's required in the government of Venezuela. Right back
with more with George Raisley state due. We're back. So
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is George Rasley our duty genius here at Securing America
A man of uncommon common sense as well as high intellect. George,
you have been following closely, I know, the kinds of
evolution in our energy posture in this country. President Trump
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made it a signature campaign pledge that we would regain
not only energy security after much of it was squandered,
including notably our you know, precious petroleum stockpile, but also
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the you know, rebuilding of the capacity to extract oil
in this country. And now we're hearing a lot about
oil in Venezuela, and it's been described by the President
as our oil. It has been his purpose there to
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get it back. He's talking about sending a delegation of
major oil executives down there to invest massively in the
venezuel And energy sector to try to get it back
online after it was ruined really by Ugo Chavez and
then Nicholas maduro So. And then on top of it,
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there's this talk about getting thirty to fifty million barrels
of that oil right quick immediately, I think is the
term the President used. Tell us what's going on here, sir,
what we should make of it?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, it's important to recognize that, you know, Venezuela and
oil has been under sanction for many years, and consequently
it has been traded on the gray market, the black market.
It's been part of what amounts to nation state money
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laundering operation with the Russians and the Iranians, yeah, and
the Chinese.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And so.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Bringing Venezuela and oil back onto the legitimate world market
will presumably lower the price on the world market because
more supply, lower price.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
But more to the.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Point, the Venezuelan economy is largely dependent on oil and
it has taken a massive, massive hit. I have to
recognize that at one time Venezuela was you had the
fourth highest GDP in the world. It had a standard
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of living that was first world and the destruction of
the Venezuelan economy by Chevez and Maduro has devastated the
Venezuelan people. I saw an article and I believe it
to be true that the average Venezuelan has lost almost
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twenty pounds in the last decade because they're starving. I mean,
even middle class people, professionals, business owners are you know,
having trouble finding food. And so to the extent that
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the president has the ability to take the millions of
dollars that would be raised by selling this oil on
the world market and use that for the benefit of
the Venezuelan people obviously helps in encouraging this transition, because
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you know, the average person on the street in Caracas,
for example, has suffered terribly, and to the extent that
we have the ability to put a big American flag
on any relief of that suffering is to our great advantage. Additionally,
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there is the issue of the Venezuelan confiscation of our
oil investments in the country, and you know, yeah, and
so compensation is due for that. How that and when
that compensation is achieved is yet to be determined. But clearly,
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you know, some of the proceeds of this oil sale
could could go to that, or could go to encouraging
American oil companies to re engage with Venezuela and assisting
them in their development efforts.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
You know, we had Rod Martin on the other day
and he made the observation that when we talk here
President Trump, talking specifically about our oil in Venezuela, he
makes the observation that you know, that oil was made
available to Venezuela by virtue of those investments of American companies.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
They were, yes, profiting from the results of exploiting that oil,
but fifty percent of the proceeds, according to Rod, was
actually going to the government of Venezuela, so it wasn't
as though we were ripping it off. He said, if
you were doing it in the Permian basin, you know
that owners might get twenty percent of the proceeds rather
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than fifty percent. So this is a this is a
sort of writing of the ship that is in order here.
And I guess the question is against the backdrop of
and as yet untransitioned government and you know, cartel state
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doing business as a nation and government. Can you get
there from here? I guess is the question. And do
you have a sense of how this would work, how
we would take possession of that oil, how we would
get it, you know, to those international markets.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
George Well, the resident or one of his spokesmen, I forget,
which has said that it will go directly into storage
ships and be which are controlled by the United States,
and you know, essentially auctioned if you will. And so
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we will physically as well as financially control how that works.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
And I think that's.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
An unrecognized major step in this transition process. I mean,
this is in essence, the antagonistic government of Venezuela surrendering
a huge opportunity to the United States. And so it's
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hard to put exactly into words what this really but
it's almost a surrender of a chunk of Venezuelan sovereignty,
if you will.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, And obviously there are a lot of people, a
lot of people who are very sensitive to that being
done to the benefit of the United States, even though
it will be very much to the benefit of the
long suffering people of Venezuela, Georgia. Just a quick further comment,
one of the things that you sort of alluded to
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in terms of an upside of all of this is
further reducing the price of oil on the international market,
and that contributes, of course to further reducing inflation, and
that contributes further to you know, the affordability as it's
being called in our country, of not just energy, but
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a whole host of other things that derive from that.
Is that a consideration do you think, in again netting
out the up and down sides of this courageous presidential action.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean it should be if again, it
is a huge benefit to the average consumer here in
the United States to see oil prices go down, and
that translates into lower gas costs, lower commuting costs, lower
home heating costs this winter, and it should be recognized
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as an important contribution politically as well. I mean, imagine
a drop in oil prices and gas prices at the
pump going into the twenty twenty six mid terms.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You've tied up perfectly what I want to turn to
next in our long block. We'll be right back with
George Racley about the upcoming midterm elections and what it
portends for America in the world. Right after this, we're back.
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We're back with fortunately one of our great resources on
all things political, because well it is twenty twenty six
and it is a political year. There will be mid
term elections for a third of the Senate, for all
of the House of Representatives, and for large numbers of
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state legislators and some governors and others around the country.
We have had a recent election, of course, in the
previous off year. George and I want to talk with
you about the first days of the Zorn Mamdani mayor
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to mayoralty in New York City. But before we do,
talk to us a little bit as a man who
is intimately familiar with the world of politics, having, as
I said at the outset, served in one capacity or
another on some three hundred campaigns over your career. How
are you making book on this falls well, midterms and
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these other elections as well well.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I remain cautiously optimistic on the issue side, and you know,
the issues are clearly all on the Republican and Conservative
in MAGA.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Side of the ledger.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I am less optimistic on the technical side because midterm
elections are turnout elections. The turnout is going to be lower.
President Trump's not on the ballot and he's a big
turnout driver.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
H And so.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It really comes down to do we have confidence in
the Republican leadership UH to deploy the necessary resources in
a winning manner. And I'm not as optimistic simply because
the track record of these guys isn't all that great.
(22:34):
Plus the fact, yeah, and plus the fact we've got
a couple of unexpected challenges Dougla Moffa passing away unexpectedly
and Baird being in this terrible car accident, you know,
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certainly added to questionable.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Seats to our count there.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
On the other hand, the Democrats are in such disarray.
I mean, you know, to the extent that there may
be a disagreement or an alleged civil war between you know,
MAGA and the Republican establishment that pales in comparison to
what's going on in the Democratic Party right now and
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so uh. And part of the reason for that is that,
you know, the populist MAGA side appears to be winning
in the so called Republican civil war. On the Democratic side,
the far left WACO side is winning. And uh. You know,
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the national appeal of guys like Zorin Mandami, AOC, all
these other far left democrats is zero. It only works
in the big urban areas.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And where there's a million Muslims in the case of Mamdani,
and large numbers of Democratic Socialists Communists, yeah, as operatives
as well. George, I do, I do want to come
back to Mamdani in just a moment, but just staying
with the politics thing, the one whole card it seems
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that the Democrats think they have is that there's going
to be unbelievable hardship. Say, it's nothing of sticker shock
for millions and millions and millions of Americans over healthcare
and costs that are now going to rise because of
a end of subsidies that were I guess, you know,
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first introduced in the COVID pandemic moment. How do what
does that play out? Do you think? And is that
in fact going to be a decisive issue for Democrats
do you believe?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Well, First of all, the healthcare quote affordability end of
quote issue is one that has been I think badly
mangled by the national media, probably intentionally to help the Democrats.
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But let's keep in mind that nothing that these subsidies
were doing is actually lowering the cost of health care.
It's merely transferring the burden. And so to the extent
that someone was getting a taxpayer subsidy for their health care,
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that merely meant that people who weren't getting the subsidy
were paying for it. And it remains to be seen
really whether or not the people who lose their subsidies
were Republican voters or who were already on the other side.
(26:11):
And I know Senator Josh Holly is very concerned that
quote his people end up quote will be losing you know,
some of their subsidies will We'll see how that works out.
And how the Trump administration answers that question. But to
the extent that there's all this talk about you know,
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healthcare costs going up, well, they're only going up for
people who were being subsidized by other people, and so
their squeak will Republicans need to message.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
On yeah, And it will be interesting to see if
they will have the fortitude to do that or whether
they will perceive this is a huge vulnerability to them,
and they will begin trying to figure out how to
throw other people's money at the problem. George, let me
turn to Mamdani because he's obviously going to be capitalizing
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on this, among many other things. I have to say,
even as much as I thought I had stealed myself
for what this well Marxist, jihadist twelver was going to
have in the way of an agenda, I have been
somewhat surprised to see right out of the gate appointees
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of this mayor pronouncing that they're going to end private property,
at least white people's private property, and begin, you know,
essentially having the state buying up property and thereby becoming
you know, well, I guess the term he used in
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his mayoral address embracing the warmth of collectivism. What are
we to make of all this?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, well, based on history, the warmth of collectivism is
the warmth of the grave. So yeah, it turns out. Yeah,
I suspect that Mandami's agenda is going to run into
the hard reality of the coldness of cash as it proceeds.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
But it should fright, But it could have just interrupt
you on that, George, because this is something we need
to tease out. The coldness of cash. Suggests that your
view that this won't work without you know, other people's money,
you know, lubricating it all. Our colleague of friend, Sam
Fattis points out that he's not he's not really interested
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in making it work. Failure is a is a plus,
it's a it's a feature, not a bug. As they say,
he is looking to have chaos in the city of
New York, not have a functioning system under a socialist medal.
Do you disagree with that assessment.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Sir, Uh, I think that Sam is onto something there. Uh.
And the question though, in my mind is where does
the chaos lead and what is uh? You know, what's
there in the goal? If chaos is the you know,
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is the intention? And it seems to me that they
have to come up with a way of producing on
some of their promises.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And so if if chaos is the only goal, uh,
then certainly they're well tied up to to accomplish chaos,
if chaos can be considered an accomplishment. But you know,
back to my initial point, there's got to be you know,
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if you promising free bus rides, people who were promised
those free bus rides are going to expect them to
happen pretty quick and so mandame.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But the buses will continue to run.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
So you know, Mamdammy has this same problem that Trump
has in a sense of these great high expectations for
immediate results. So if those results don't occur, certainly chaos
is you know, well that's a result, I guess. But
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if people don't get what they were promised in terms
of free bus bus rides, stay run grocery stores, YadA, YadA, YadA,
then there's going to be a different kind of chaos
that Mondami may not want, which is you know, thousands
of people showing up in front of Gracie Mansion demanding
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their free bus ride.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, it does at the end of the day, come
down to whose ox is being gored, doesn't it. Yeah, so, George,
if Mam Donnie is not simply a revolutionary whose ideas
basically I think the leniss one of the worse the better.
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But he's going to have to somehow make things work
to the point where at least the people that are
going to be part of the revolution are going to be,
you know, aiming their pitchforks at landlords and capitalists and
white people and the like. It does sound as though
this is going to be a management challenge for him,
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even if chaos is the desired objective. We have to
take a break. We're going to come right back with
George Racy and we're going to talk about, among other things,
on the other side, where do we go on January sixth,
and it's fifth anniversary and more Right after this we're back,
(32:27):
So is George Raceley, the editor of Conservative h Q.
I'm told something on the order of a quarter million
people subscribe to George's outstanding resource. I hope you will
be one of them. It is a very very important
contributor to the public policy debate, and especially if you
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are like me of a conservative mind, it is really
invaluable in terms of both George's thinking and that of
others who's telling that he draws upon to inform and
well equip us to make sensible policy decisions in the
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national security arena and more. George, thank you for all
of that. Of course, let me just ask you. You
had prominently featured on your Conservative HQ page in the
recent days an analysis of January sixth, twenty twenty one.
Where we are five years on, I keep hearing from
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the media that, you know, it's absolutely proven that this
was an insurrection that Donald Trump was responsible for for
a minute, you know, inspiring it and making it happen,
and its purpose was to overthrow the government of the
United States full stop.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Do you agree, Well, if that was an insurrect, it
was the lamest and most inadequate insurrection ever.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Undertaken.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
It was, in my mind, a legitimate protest that was
directed to get out of hand by actions of the
former Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi and her minions
in the Capitol Police and the Metropolitan Police of Washington,
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d C. And the information that's come out subsequent to
January sixth, as I think demonstrated, if not proven beyond
a reasonable doubt, that that is in fact the case
from a political perspective, and I hate to, you know,
(34:57):
put it this way, because many of the J six
protesters suffered unbelievable hardship subsequent to that, including some that
were driven to suicide. But the rest of of America,
outside of the Democratic members of Congress, has long ago
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moved on from January sixth. It doesn't show up in
any political polling as an issue.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
It's way way way. I mean, you know, if.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
It's in the top fifty for those and it means
a lot. And let's get this straight. It means a
lot to the people who suffered and their families, and
they I believe have a legitimate claim to be made
whole on a whole range of matters. But the rest
(35:56):
of America is more concerned about the price of gas,
you know, their job security, the price of food, things
like that. And so as much as I sympathize with
the JA six protesters who appear in the video, by
(36:20):
the way that you referenced on Conservative HQ today, you
know the rest of America isn't focused on that.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
So, just to tie this off, does your analysis of
what happened that day and.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
That of the you know, the.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Video that you are touting here come to the conclusion
that I have that this was a direct action operation
by the Democrats, notably Nancy Pelosi, with help from the
mayor of Washington, d C. And evidently large numbers of
(37:07):
FBI undercover personnel and informants and presumably other provocateurs brought
in for the purpose to undermine Donald Trump and essentially fracture,
(37:27):
if not more or less put out of business, his base.
And honestly, in hindsight, it certainly seems as though that
explanation best fits the facts. Would you agree? Oh?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think that one of the failures
of the Republican majority in the House has been to
ferret out the details of that and to expose them.
And this is something that is sort of promise to
people during the twenty twenty four campaign and as yet
(38:07):
to happen.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
But all the.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Evidence that I've seen, and I've spent probably hundreds of
hours reading and reviewing and talking to people who were there,
indicates that this was in fact a well planned.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Direct action as you put it.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, and clearly Pelosi, Christopher Ray, the mayor of Washington,
d C. We're all working in concert to create chaos,
to hit a subject that we just talked about in
the last segment, and they largely succeeded. Where they failed
(38:57):
was in aiding Trump as a political force, and I
think people were more intensely committed to the Trump agenda
than ever after January sixth than they were before it.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
And George, just thirty seconds on this, are you also
persuaded that the January sixth protests were correct in their calculation,
their estimation, their assessment that the election of twenty twenty
four had been stolen?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Excuse me, Oh yeah, there's tons and tons of evidence
that's coming out. Tulci Gabbard has alluded to it, I
hope will be revealed in more detail. But more to
the point, the people there had a constitutional right to
show up and protest and to petition their government, and
(39:56):
to the extent that they were provoked into any kind
of violent action by this was part of this chaos
creating strategy, the scheme.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
The conspiracy. George hold the thought, we'll be right back
with more with the Great George Racy right after this.
(40:34):
We're back for one final installment in this very special
hour long conversation. I look forward from one of our
most revered political seers, and that would be George Racley,
the editor of Conservative HQ. You can find his work
and that of many other important contributors to the public
(40:54):
policy debate at Conservative hq dot com. Subscribe so you
don't miss a single of it. George, we touched on
this a little bit in connection with Mamdani, a jihadist
actually of the Iranian Shiai school, which makes him a
twelve ver, which makes him, according to that strain of Islam,
(41:21):
in favor of bringing about the apocalypse so as to
usher in the golden age of Islam, in the return
of the Madi, and so on. There are others, not
necessarily of that particular stripe, but who similarly adhere to Sharia,
who seek its supremacy in our country, replacing our constitution
and dominating our part of Western civilization, as they're busily
(41:45):
doing other parts as well. I wanted to ask you
about this revelation of what some of those who are
part of this movement of Somali extraction in Minnesota have
been found out to be doing in the way of
(42:05):
well kind of stealthyach you had, I guess what might
call it, and the knock on effects of the revelations
of epic fraud there on the candidacy of Tim Waltz,
the assipting governor, to run for a third term.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Well, the revelations about this vast fraud, some have to
suggested it's as much as nineteen billion dollars in counting.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Are I mean, this is the model of.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
The Agency for International Development grift on the federal level
taken down to the state level, in which favored individuals
and interests, in this case the Somali community, a huge
(43:07):
voting block for Democrats. In fact, you know them. They're
they're the reason Democrats control Minnesota. Now, uh they were
in essence paid off by allowing them to corruptly uh
access these billions of dollars in federal payments. And this
(43:32):
was not an accident, This is not incompetence. This was
Waltz and the Democrats in Minnesota turning a blind eye
to these guys stealing these billions of dollars in return
for their political support. And there's no other way to
look at it. And uh so that in the same
(43:53):
way that a I D enriched favored Democrats in their
not profit organizations, So the same model was used in
Minnesota to enrich these guys.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
So back the lends up a little bit, George. And
to what extent is this evidence not only of grift
as you called it, and corruption at the highest levels
in that state, but also of you know, the agenda
of the Sharia supremacists to take us down, you know,
(44:30):
using stealthy techniques if violence may not operate at the moment.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, Well, these these billions of dollars, a lot of
them went back to Somalia to UH support UH Sharia
supremacist military operations there. They also have gone to UH
support mosques and other command and control centers, probably not
(44:59):
just in Minnesota, but all over the country. And so again,
the flow of cash into these guys was is directly
supporting the undermining of our constitutional republic. And you know this,
This isn't a case where a few guys got rich
(45:23):
and got caught. This is a endemic funding mechanism for
the enemies of our constitutional republic with our own tax dollars.
And it's something that the Democrats, it's not a bug,
(45:43):
it's a feature of how they operate.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
George. You allude there to the point that some of
this money would have flowed into other places in the
United States and be used for the purposes of mosque
building or creating you know, Sharia compliant communities, no go zones,
and similar subversion. Texas is one place where I suspect
(46:14):
that's been happening. We certainly see flows of money from
Michigan and elsewhere in the country and flows of people
moving to Texas for the purposes of establishing you know,
this Sharia infrastructure. We're going to be talking a good
bit about this this week as it happens. I'm going
(46:35):
to be participating in some of the programs that are
going to take place in the Dallas area featuring the
marvelous Dutch parliamentarian and freedom fighter geart builders and our
friend Steve Bannon and Peter Mackavian and others who have
(46:56):
been warning of what's coming to Texas and the stakes
for the country if it succeeds there. Could you give
us a quick appreciation of the importance of all of that.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, well, I mean, these guys are very smart and strategic,
and they recognize that if Texas falls, America falls, and
they have targeted Texas with mosque building, with importing thousands
of Muslims into the state for the purpose of turning
(47:30):
Texas into Minnesota. And these are targeted efforts. I mean,
the whole reason that smalli's are where they are is
part of an effort to take out a conservative rockstar,
Michelle Bachman.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
And it worked.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
And so you know to the extent that people need
to understand what's going on here. This is not an accident.
They're not in Texas for the sunny weather. They're there
to under mind the constitutional Republic of the United States
of America.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Full stop. George, we have to stop. This is a
critical point to which we will return with you in
the very near future, and to which we will be
addressing ourselves with a lot of others as well. In
the meantime. God bless you, my friend. Thanks for the
great work you do a conservative HQ. I know youll
keep it. Thanks Thanks for the rest of you joining us.
I hope you go back next time. Until then, go
forth and multiply
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