January 11, 2026 • 51 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome into Real America's Voice News. This is Sunday the
Road Forward. Stay with us as we discuss the intersection
of faith, culture and everyday life.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
As always a word.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Of hope and encouragement for you and those you love,
especially in these challenging times. Oh, doctor Tim Clinton, I'll
be your host. Our special guest joining this week. He's
lead pastor of Pathways Church in Mobile, Alabama. Pastor Travis
Johnson is with us. He's the founder and chairman of
the Faith in Freedom Coalition. Ralph red is with us.
She is the best selling author, speaker, podcaster. Heidie Saint
John is back with us and she is a clinical
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and forensic psychologist, trauma and addictions expert. Doctor SHAWNE. Anderson,
thanks for watching. Growing concerns of anti Semitism in the
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Nation of Israel continue to be in the news. Prime
Minister Benjamin Netan Yahoo and an Israeli delegation met with
a group of evangelicals in Palm Beach recently, working to
solidify their relationship and to deal with the concerns of
anti Semitism, especially among today's generations.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You know what the Bible says.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
The Bible says that those who bless Israel will be blessed,
and those who curse Israel will be cursed. Waste, fraud
and abuse in America found by Elon Musk and Doge
That Department of Government efficiency over the past year has
really stunned the nation. But what's happening in Minnesota right
now is shocking the nation. Widespread fraud is unbelievable. It
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was exposed by a young man named Nick Shirley.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He blew it wide open.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We're talking about an estimated nine billion dollars, basically stealing
American taxpayer's money. Democratic Governor Tim Wats is in trouble.
They're a massive caulsure his resignation. He in fact pulled
out of the race for re election as governor. He
will not seek a third term and this will be
his last year as governor of Minnesota. President Trump is
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looking at sending I think two thousand agents to Minneapolis.
Tom Holman, Borderzar says they're launching catch. This the largest
operation ever there in Minnesota. And now it seems like
the fraud investigation is going to go coast to coast.
Elon must told us following recently over two hundred and
thirty million of them that the fraud in California, New York,
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and Illinois is far greater than what's happening in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
If you can.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Believe that this new year, all eyes also locked in
on Venezuela, the capture of Nicholas Maduro and his wife,
a flawless operation by the finest military in the world.
Maduro and Marxist dictator is now locked up a waiting trial,
and they're celebrating in Venezuela. What's amazing to me is
how the radical Dems they're taking the bad guy's side.
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When the President removed the corrupt Marxist dictator again who
was working directly with drug cartels to poison American citizens,
Democrats defended the dictator and accused Trump of committing impeachable offenses.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Smith, you see him on ESPN, said this, if you've
got a bounty on his head, and the bid the
administration had a bounty on his head, once you get him,
that's not something to be complaining about.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I agree. Hey, in times like these.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Our hope, our strength comes from the Lord. Here's a
great verse from the Bible to hold on to this week.
It's a reminder that how much we need each other
one Thessalonians, Chapter five, verse eleven. It says this, therefore,
encourage one another and build one another up, just as
in fact you are doing. Hey, I'm going to pray.
We're going to get started. God be with us, bless
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our program today, Use it for your glory. Thank you
for your steadfast love, your grace in our lives. In Jesus' name. Amen,
let's get started.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
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Speaker 1 (04:19):
Joys Now is Travis Johnson. Travis is lead pastor of
Pathway Church in Mobile, Alabama. He also is CEO of
People for Care and Learning and founder of by a
Try Change of Life. He's a strong and faithful member
of the National Faith Advisory Board, a voice for such
a time as this, Pastor, Travis, thank you for joining me.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Thank you, doctor Clinton. It's always so good to be
with you.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Travis. We get started.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
You and I've had a lot of conversations about this
anti Semitism issue that's been happening really around the globe,
but was strong on college campuses here in the country.
There's now kind of some growing division inside the conservative movement.
Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, and others.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's icky.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You hear what I'm saying, and there's conversation about replacement
theology or whatever. Can you bring some clarity to us
about what's going on?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
You know? I think when I see Tucker Carlson and
Candice Owens those kinds of voices, these are voices that
we've loved and enjoyed. And so actually what it feels
like is they're turning in on the historic victory from
President Trump and the base that put him in the
office and put him in office. So when I see
this issue and what's happening with a lot of it
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is a direct attack on evangelicals over just what you said,
replacement theology, saying that Israel has been uprooted and gentile
Christians have replaced them. This is clearly not what scripture says.
We're grafted in. God still favors and has chosen Israel.
He has a plan for Israel. Of course, we are
saved by Jesus Christ and Christ alone, but this does
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not give license to some pseudo fake Christians to become
anti Semite. So that's been very difficult to see. It's
one thing to see this happening at Columbia University Campus
Ivy League schools with their ready made protest in a
box the day after October seventh. Right, we've seen that,
we understand that. But to see this on the right,
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it's terrible. It's got to be denounced. There's no problem
for me. I'm really disappointed in Tucker Carls and Candice Owens.
Have no problem distancing myself from that because it has
no place not only a Christian faith, but it has
no place in a conservative party. Is not conservative to
be anti submitic. I'm gonna read a passage really quick,
Jeremiah thirty one thirty six. Listen to this. I don't
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even know how you refute this. The Lord says, I
am as likely to reject my people Israel as I
am to abolish the laws of nature. God will cancel
gravity first before he separates from Israel.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Travis.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
A lot of evangelical pastors are galvanizing together on this
very issue. A pastor Jack Graham, Pastor Jensen Franklin, a
host of others are standing strong. Pastor Well Franklin, I
am all friends of ours in the midst of it, Travis,
something significant happened in Palm Beach top of the new year. Here, President,
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I'm sorry. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahoo was in that part
of the country decided he wanted to host a meeting
with evangelicals, and that took place down at the Four
Seasons Hotel there in Palm Beach. It was very moving, Travis.
You were one of many who were in the room,
as was I. But just some reflections on that time together.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
You know, it was great. I appreciated your words that
you shared with the Prime Minister, and I also enjoyed
piggybacking off of that. We had some really good conversation
in the room, and of course what Prime Minister said
was so good. I'm really thankful for him. You know.
One reason I'm thankful is because you know, Europe has
fallen to this Islamic expansionism, and we see Michigan, Minnesota
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as a complete rolling dumpster fire of fraud from a
lot of this stuff. In look, New York City has fallen.
But Prime Minister Benjamin Net and Yahou in Israel they're
not bowing to it. They're fighting, which they should. When
you haul off children and wives, spouses, into hostage situations,
the worst kind of violence taking place, and you ought
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to be able to live in peace. And so I'm
thankful that they have stood. They're the only bulwark against
Islamic radicalism terrorism in the Middle East period, and so
that's such a blessing to us. And so being there
with Prime Minister in net Yahoo was really great. In fact,
I'm going to be able to be with the Ambassador
of Israel this next week in Auburn. I'm looking forward
to that and just very appreciative of the relationship between evangelicals,
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clear voiced evangelical Christians in America and between Israel.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
This comes on the heels of a trip that was
taken by what a thousand evangelical leaders over to Israel
in early December, and it sounded like they're going to
do two more chips of some three thousand more pastors
in particular and students are going to take a massive
group of students to Israel.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
What's the goal.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Well, I think one thing is, you know, when David says,
what I see with my eyes affect my heart. And
so we've got a lot of people influenced by TikTok
prophets and prognosticators. They really are not connected to church.
They're they're you know, running around with these you know,
statements and slogans they make, but is not founded in reality,
both geopolitically or biblically. So going to see what's actually
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happening is really helpful. For instance, while I was there,
I was talking with some of the Israeli police, some
of the Special Forces police basically like the SWAT, and
one of the officers gave me his patch, So there
was this really wonderful moment there. His name was Omran,
which means he was probably Druze or Islamic or Arab.
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Israel is not an apartheid state, and so this runs
counter to the nar that is out there from the
left and you know, from some on the woke right.
So I think that's what this is, is a connecting
together so that we can understand each other, see one another,
and then represent this both biblically and geopolitically. Being informed.
I was never giving, and I've seen no one ever
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being given a talking point. Is just go and see,
and I think that's going to be a real benefit
to our country and also to Israel.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Some of the conversation in the room with the Prime
Minister also revolved around today's generations that the real battleground
is for their minds.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Their souls.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
On this very issue, some of the thoughts are takeaways
around that dialogue that took place.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah. Absolutely, you know, gen Z is a powerful generation.
It's exciting to see what God's doing in them. They're
buying more Bibles right now than anyone else, any other group.
They're attending church with greater frequency than anybody else. So
there's a real revival we're experiencing here in our church.
But I want you to think, if you're an eighteen
year old gen Z, you know, young man, and where
were you? How old were you? What were you thinking
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about on October seventh when that attack took it took place.
I mean, you may not have even been sixteen years old.
You're in a different headspace altogether. In fact, I've had
sit downs with some of these really great young people.
They did not even know that October seventh happened. And
so this is a really great thing to be done
to engage this generation. I'm excited about that, thankful for it.
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And let me tell you, they are the future of
the church, in the future of America and there's some
really great, strong young boys.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
You're going to win or lose the war.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
We cannot disengage. We have to be engaged.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
We want to salute the vision of Mike Evans, Jay
Strack and others who are helping. Yeah, just doing amazing
work in this particular area. Travis, I want to go
to the President of peace. Yeah, the President Trump. You
step back and take a look at what's happened over
the first eleven twelve months here, and we know we
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got a State of the Union address coming up. I'm
sure he'll pack that baby up big time. But just
some reflections on his efforts of peace through strength, using
tariffs at the same time, jumping in the middle of
messes and bringing resolve. One of those was in Africa,
and Travis, you were directly tied to it. Can you
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address that?
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Even it feels like a very interesting moment in time
for me. You know, we've been heavily involved in Cambodia
for decades, and then we've been involved in Congo for
some time. In fact, we've been praying for peace in
Congo for five years here at Pathway Church, and so
to see President Trump effectively getting involved in both Congo
and Cambodia has been a tremendous blessing. And he really is.
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He is a peace president. And let me tell you,
you don't find peace by wishing it, by hoping for it,
by saying sweet things. You have to have strength in
the United States as strong again. And we are seeing
peace again. You know, we're seeing an inventula right now.
Let me also take you growing up in Miami. I
can't I remember my friends growing up, you know, sixteen
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percent non Hispanic Caucasian, almost everybody who was Cuban Latino.
When Fidel Castro fell and broke his arm, all the
Cuban diaspora, they were playing Fidel Castro Falling in slow
motion forward and backward on loop and immediately people went
out into the streets with pots and pants, celebrating like
the Florida Marlins had just won the World Series. And
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this is the same thing that's happening in Miami and
wherever peace loving Latinos are. Because regardless of what Mam
Donnie says, regardless of what the woke, pink haired liberals
in New York says, let me tell you, if you
have lived under socialism, communism, you are celebrating right now,
as all of Miami is celebrating because of what's happened
in Venezuela, because people have a yearning to be free.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Pastor Travis Johnson always great to have you, my friend,
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
For joining me.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Incredible. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
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National Review, and many more. Ralph, welcome back, Thank you
for joining me.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Thank you Tim. Good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Twenty twenty six, Ralph, this is the big midterms year.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I know it's some to you. A lot of people
are concerned about him.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Just your take on where you think we're at and
what we might need to be thinking about and doing well.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
I think we all know the history of this, tim
you know it Historically the midterm for the party that
holds the White House is historically very challenging. You know.
In twenty eighteen, the last time President Trump went into
a mid term, the Republicans lost forty seats in the House.
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They did actually, by the way, gain I think it
was two Senate seats net. So they did much better
on the Senate side. They had a really good map,
you know. Obama lost sixty three seats. Clinton lost fifty
two seats. There have only been two times in the
last century when a party controlling the White House gained
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seats in the midterm after they won the presidency.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
One of those was in nineteen thirty four during the
Great Press under Franklin Delan and Roosevelt. And I wasn't
around for that one, by the way, But I was
around for the other one, Tim, which was in two
thousand and two. I was chairman of the Georgia Republican Party,
and I was on the political team of George W.
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Bush when he became the first president since Franklin Roosevelt
to win House seats in the first midterm, and he
became the first president since the Civil War to gain
control of the US Senate in a midterm after winning
the White House. So I know it can be done.
The good news is, as these redistricting battles have played out,
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it looks like the Republicans are going to be up
roughly five to eight seats over the twenty twenty four
baseline because of the maps that were drawn in places
like Texas and North Carolina and elsewhere. Obviously the leftist
fought back with their maps and places like California, but again,
the net's going to be plus five to eight. The
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Senate map doesn't really allow for a lot of movement
tim for either party. Uh, there's probably really only one
Republican held seat that is in serious danger today, and
that's the open Tom Tilla's seat in North Carolina. The
most vulnerable Democrats are going to be in Georgia and
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in Michigan, Wisconsin, you know, maybe one other state. So
there's not a big Senate map. So the best thing
that I could say to you and your viewers is
I think this is going to be very hard fought.
It's going to be no quarter given, it's going to
be you know, you walk to the middle of the
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ring and you just you just throw punches, and uh,
I think it's a jump ball in the house, I
really do. I think it's plus or minus a handful
of seats as to who's going to control the House, Ralf.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
A lot of people are saying, you better fut in
on the economy, President Trump, make sure you bring a
thing home, and he he's got his no tax on tips,
no tax on social Security. Over time, I think the
Republican past, the Party pass that working.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
The short answer is, I can't tell you today, but
the best bet is there's going to need to be
more work done. I mean, what we're dealing with here, tim,
is a situation where we know these policies work. They're
already working. The price of gas, which hit north of
five dollars a gallon under Joe Biden, is now under
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three dollars and heading for two fifty nationally, and it's
lower in many states. That's a really big deal for
a lot of families. It's between one thousand and fifteen
hundred dollars in additional take home pay a year just
through those lower gas prices and that'll ripple throughout the economy.
You look at the second and third quarter gross domestic
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product numbers, they are way beyond what economists were predicting.
Three point eight percent growth in the second quarter, four
point three percent growth in the third quarter. That second number,
by the way, Tim, is double what Goldman, Sachs and
JP Morgan and all the big smart economists and banks
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were predicting. And the fact is that as was true
under Reagan, as was true under Trump in the first term,
it's true again. You adopt the right policies of sound money,
you cut taxes, you roll back burdensome job killing regulations,
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you unleash the energy sector of the United States, and
not only drill baby drill, but frack baby frack. Sure,
and what ends up happening is the economy is going
to explode. What we don't know yet, Tim, is exactly
when will it explode? And win will inflation, which is
already trickling down, get down into that one and a
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half to two percent range like it was in Trump's
first term. If that happens by the third quarter of
next year, which is what Scott Dessant, the Secretary of Treasury,
tells me confidently is.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Going to happen.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Then we're gonna have a very good story to tell.
Last thing real quickly. You can't leave the healthcare issue
to the Democrats. They're gonna demagogue these premium increases under
Obamacare to death. They're gonna do everything they can to
capitalize on the healthcare issue. And the reality is the
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reason why healthcare premiums are up, and the reason why
healthcare costs are up is because of the failure of Obamacare.
The Affordable Care Act has become the Unaffordable Care Act.
So we have to a tell that story and tell
it well and then be we have to have some
kind of a Republican plan and solution on healthcare that
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includes individual policies, catastrophic care, bring premiums down. And by
the way, Tim, I'm sure this is one that's right
up your alley health costs share ministries. Right now, we
discriminate against Christians who pull together and share their healthcare
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costs and bring down costs and premiums. The Republicans should
end that discrimination against the faith community and a healthcare bill,
and they should do it before the elections.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
God'd be with us, Rolph.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
That's all I can say, hey, I love having these
conversations with you. Thank you so much for joining me.
Coming up next, She's the best selling author, speaker, podcaster.
Heide Saint John is back with us.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim
Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a
part of your life.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Jenny's now is Hidie Saint John's. He's the best selling author, podcaster, speaker,
mom to seven children, a lot of grandchildren, strong and
fearless voice for the family and righteousness and culture.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Heidi, welcome back. Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Hey, my friend, great to see you.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
As we started. Heidi, waste, fraud and abuse.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You go back to President Trump taking office and he
partners up with Elon Musk and they create that Doze Office,
Department of Government Efficiency. I think the nation was shocked
when they started uncovering what really was going on. We
heard stories all about it, but Heidi, it is shocking.
Now go to fast forward to where we are right
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now in this hour. Look what's happening in Minnesota, Governor
Tim Walls.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
What a mess.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
We're talking about nine billion dollars possibly here uncovered by
a young man, Nick Shirley, who blows this thing up. Man,
oh man, what a mess we've got going on.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Heidi, Yeah, it's amazing. Well, and also we finally got
to see good journalism. I thought that was the job
of journalists was to uncover waste and fraud and abuse.
But the Democrats are screaming for this kid to be silenced.
It's amazing what we see coming out of the left
in this country right now. I'm thrilled. I mean, I'm
absolutely here for it. This is what I voted for.
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I see now that Tim Walls is being forced to
withdraw his bid for reelection let go. I mean it
is absolutely time.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, it's blowing up on him up there, massive calls
for his resignation, etc. How do you at the end
of the day, we're talking about stealing money from American taxpayers.
This is garbage. This is unbelievable this kind of stuff
would go on. Here's what's shocking to me. They're now
saying that the massive scale of this across the country
in other states like California Governor Newsom is even bigger
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than what's going on in Minnesota. I'm home and acting
borders are said, Hey, we're coming with everything that we
got I know that President Trump said let's put two
thousand ice agents up there. Things are happening in Minnesota.
I think this is going to be a massive scandal
for a long time.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Yeah, I think so too. I was meeting a couple
of days ago with the sitting state senator here in
Washington State and a state representative who are telling me
that they believe that when the federal government turns its
attention to Washington State, we will be the second state
in terms of the abuse of the Somalis. Here. We've
got the second largest population of Somalis in Washington State,
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and they are uncovering the same kind of fraud and
abuse here in Washington State. I think you're going to
find it's a cancer that's metastasized to states across the country.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
How do the shocking piece to me? I guess it
really isn't. But the radical Dems are taking the bad
guy's side. I mean, I just I can't even imagine
what in the world's going on here. And when I'm
talking about it's not just Waltz and what's happening there,
but you look at Venezuela and what's going on. This
guy is he was unbelievable as a dictator down there,
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and what happened to the people in Venezuela and all
the corruption that was taking place. And President Trump's trying
to stop all this drug insanity coming into our country,
killing our kids in our bedroom communities and more. Shut
that stuff down. He shuts it down. By the way,
Joe Biden had a basically a bounty on this guy's head.
You hear what I'm saying for I think it's twenty
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five million or something like that. Crazy numbers, Heidi, this
gets done, and the people in this country, the radical
dams are what siding with him? Man, They're coming against
the president for doing this. What in the world's wrong
with us?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Well, we've lost our way spiritually in the country. And
when you lose your moral compass, you always choose the
side of chaos. And that's what we see is happening
in the Democrat Party. They've lost their moral compass. I
would say they lost their moral compass probably decades ago
when they started promoting abortion up to the moment of birth.
But what we see is evil. This is a spiritual problem,
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and you and I have talked about this before. Spiritual
problems require spiritual solutions. We need revival in this nation.
We need to start talking about subjective truth versus objective
truth in our country again. And I wrote a post
about this a couple of days ago, and it reminds
me very much of the Jews screaming for the release
of Barabas. Remember when Pilot came out in front of
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the people and said, what do you want me to do?
And they scream for the release of a murder This guy,
Barabas was not unknown to the Jews. They knew who
he was. They knew the evil that was in his heart.
The people on the Democrat party know the evil of
Nicholas Maduro. They know that the Venezuelans are starving to death.
They know that Nicholas Maduro is pushing drugs. He's a
narco terrorist, pushing drugs and machine guns and weapons into
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our country. They know all these things, and yet they're
screaming for the release of Barabas. This is a spiritual
depravity that we see playing out in Democrat held cities
all across the country. And the only way it will
stop is for people of conscience and people, especially people
who know the Lord, to involve themselves in our political
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system and begin to vote and make their voices heard again, HAIDI.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
If you go into Venezuela, the people are rejoicing at
what President Trump has done. You go into places like Miami,
you can see the people rejoicing.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
This is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And in Washington there's some good people up there. They're
standing strong. But man, we've got to pray that God
would lead and direct and all that's done.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Ha doi.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
In the midst of it, some said, yeah, probably some
other interesting dynamics happening out of Venezuela. You're talking about
mineral rich oil people talking about a possible oil boom.
Now people are also talking about dominion voting machines and
that there might be a little information that might slide
back into our country about what was taking place. I
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guess there's probably some interesting dynamics that could surface here.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Yeah, so too. We've had problems with dominion voting machines
here in Washington State for a long time, and I
think we have a moment right now, and we better
seize the day. We have a moment to uncover this waste,
this fraud, this abuse, this misuse of our free and
fair elections here in the United States, and we've got
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a moment that we need to grasp right now because
the midterms are coming up. I think this is really
important for people to understand. If we sit the mid
terms out and the Democrats take control of the House
of Representatives and of the Senate, they will make they
will do everything they can. We're going to start to
see impeachment proceedings again against President Trump. They will do
everything they can to make him a lame duck president.
We need to wake up, recognize what time it is
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politically and engage. Engage, engage. We can't sit it out
or or just pretend that this is only up to
the president and the current administration. It's actually up to
the American people. And I'm hoping that they read the
political clock and understand what time it is.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Mobilizing people who typically do sit at midterm elections. It's
pretty tough thing to do, Heidie. They feel comfortable, We've
got President Trump, everything's going great.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I don't need to I don't need to.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Go ahead and do that, but Heidi, it's serious. I mean,
there's some real concern in Washington. Typically, what does happen
is that it goes the wrong way. Uh, in this situation.
So we've got to we've got to get after it.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
How do you want to go to it further?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
The peace President, that's what they're calling President Trump now
everybody's dubbing him, is that he operates with peace through strength.
We talked a little bit about tariffs and how he's
barely building cash reserves. And at the end of the day,
if you go back to the midterm elections, people are
going to evaluate a lot of it based on the
economy where things are. President's trying to make some serious moves.
You know, no tax on tips, social security whatever isn't
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going to be enough, and where's this thing going to
drive us too?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
In the moment if you if you.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Step back and Hadi, there have been some really good moves.
You're beginning to see. While there's concern about is law,
look at what's happening in Iran this week. It looks
like the potentially is going to collapse over there. So
when you rip the foundations out from underneath this insanity,
it starts cracking.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Yeah, well, you know what President Trump is doing. I
think the net result around the world is he's emboldening
people to say, stand up for yourself. The United States
has not stood up for itself. The United State has
been typically historically a beacon of hope for free people,
for people to be free around the world, and under
Barack Obama and under Joe Biden, we have lost that legacy.
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And Trump is beginning to restore it again, and it
is giving hope to people around the world. This is
why I think you see people being brave enough. I
watched the news yesterday. The Iranian regime is brutal, and
they are killing people there now, and those executions are
starting to ramp up. It takes courage to stand up
in the face of such tyranny. And President Trump is
I think, signaling to the world A. He means business
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and b you guys can take your country back if
you'll stand for freedom and stand up against these dictators.
What a time to be alive. I mean, honestly, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
How do I know there's continuing rising fear People in
our bedroom communities really are concerned about that open border
mess and the resulting factor of having terrorists all through
our country and that some incident's going to happen and
scare the American people to death, etc. You know, And
then they're seeing this anti Semitism continue to pop its
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head up all over the place. They're wondering if Islam's
taking over the country. Hearing people talk about that a lot.
You're seeing a Muslim brotherhoods show up everywhere. How do
you calm yourself in the midst of that? What helps
bring that kind of peace of God that surpasses all understanding.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
I think we need to remember at the end of
the day that we're not responsible for how the world
events play out on the stage. That our responsibility is
to pray and to walk in obedience. God honors obedience,
and that starts in the small places of our hearts,
right starts with every one of us every day saying, Lord,
help me to be in your word so that I
can be guided by this lamp from the Holy Spirit
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to my feet and a light to my path. That
is what helps us to stay grounded. Because we've read
to the end of the book. We know how this
thing plays out. We know that God's will and his
way will prevail in the end. And God's people have
historically been on the receiving end of suffering since the
time of Jesus, and God gives us what we need
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when we need it, and he will give it to us.
I think what Corey ten Boom said probably sums it
up best. She said, when we worry, we are borrowing
strength from tomorrow. It just empties today of its strength,
and we need to not do that. And so God
doesn't call us to be a people of fear. I
love telling women that fear is a spirit. This is
why the apostle Paul told Timothy. God didn't give you
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a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a
sound mind. Fear is not an emotion, it's a spirit,
and through the power of Jesus Christ, we can have
authority over it. That's where God's people need to rest.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
HII Saint John always great to have you, Thank.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
You for joining me, Thanks for having.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Me coming up next. And She is a clinical and
forensic psychologist, trauma and addictions expert, doctor Shawnee Anderson.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor tim
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Speaker 1 (34:30):
Johnny Snow is doctor Shawnee Anderson. She's a licensed clinical psychologist,
trauma and addiction specialist, noted speaker, co director of the
Ethics and Advocacy Division of the American Association of Christian Counselors.
Doctor Shawne. Welcome, Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
Thank you so much for having me, Shauna.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I have looked forward to our conversation together. You know,
we've had a lot of conversations about how difficult life
has been over.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
The past few years.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
A lot of people are overdosing on the brokenness. There's
a lot of fear and trembling, if you will. Some
people are filled with anxiety. They're constantly worrying about everything
that's going to come their way, and it's easy to
get lost in it. Sean Ay, I guess I want
to ask you upfron is, what are you seeing and
just what are some of your thoughts about how we're
managing life.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
I feel like when I come on your show, Tam,
that I am a bit of a broken record. I
think people are really really hurting and really struggling. There
doesn't seem to have been any kind of letup. I
think it almost dates back to even before COVID.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Things have just been really hard.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
And really dark, and I know for a lot of
the patients I work with, the loss of Charlie Kirk
really threw things into a tailspin, and the end of
last year, people were just lost and confused and trying
to reach out to Jesus through the holidays. Every time
we turn around, it seems like, you know, there's another
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traumatic event that happens, or there's another thing that is
dragging people down.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Some people are talking now about collective trauma like it's
impacting everybody and as a culture, we're spinning in the
midst of it.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Shawnee.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
People are also noticing a lot of adverse impact with
our children, and as a matter of fact, they talk
about adverse childhood experiences acees, and it connects back.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Into the trauma world. Shawnee.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Can you explain a little bit about that and help
us maybe look at our children with a little bit
of a different eye.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
Back in nineteen ninety eight, there was a groundbreaking study
that looked at what we call aces adverse childhood experiences,
and it's really looking at all of the different experiences
that a child can experience before the age of eighteen,
and they look at every thing from different forms of
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child abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, child neglect, child abandonment.
It looks like parents that have issues with substance use, divorce,
if there's domestic violence at home, if you have a
parent that's incarcerated. There's a number of these experiences. And
what research has shown, dating back to nineteen ninety eight
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and continuing on to today, it's not good that actually
the number of individuals in our country who have experienced
at least one adverse childhood experience is approximately, depending on
the study, anywhere from sixty five to seventy percent of
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the population. And if you're looking at those that have
experienced two to three or even more than that, it's
anywhere from maybe twenty five to twenty percent of the population.
And so a lot of young people in this country
are being harmed and are being hurt and sadly at
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the hands of their parents. And what we are recognizing
is not only that that is happening and how horrendous
that is, but also we are really recognizing the long term,
both psychological and physical as well as spiritual, relational, social,
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long term catastrophic effects that these early experiences can have
on everybody.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Seaney, I've always loved coaching kids, coach my son Zach,
my daughter Megan through sports, and had a lot of
fun through the years. Kids are amazingly resilient, but they
also do carry buckets of pain with them and it
does affect their trajectory. You can see a lot of
kids who get stunted if you will in life, or
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they get lost, angry, and bitter. It doesn't take much
to go to a playground and see the kids who
don't have a dad. For example. You can see a
kid when you look in their eyes who've been screamed
at their whole life. It just affects them.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Shahee.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
What are some of the signs and symptoms I guess
that we should be thinking about concerned about, especially if
we're worried about our own children or maybe some kids
that we minister to.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
Well. I think that there are a number of things.
Because children respond very individually to adverse effects. There are
some children that actually just biologically tend to be very resilient,
and so some of this stuff can just kind of
roll off their back, especially if there's maybe only one
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ace or two aces. But there are some that may
be temperamentally or genetically biologically that have certain sensitivities that
this type of stuff really will harm their developmental trajectory
throughout their entire life. So I think certain things to
look for are children that are beginning to act out behaviorally,
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children that are angry, children that are anxious, children that
maybe are engaging in dramatic behaviors that sometimes we as
parents get so frustrated with, but we're not recognizing that
there's a reason underneath why children are acting the way
that they are. And so a lot of children, especially
(40:32):
in this day and age of social media and isolation,
so many children are hurting and they don't have any connection.
So I think for a lot of children and particularly
teens that self isolation, struggles with friends, and unwillingness to
connect with friends. And I think the most dangerous are
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those that even at a very young age, are experimenting
with drugs and alcohol and pornoga fee and that are
struggling with suicidality and self harm. It's really not a
safe time to be a child or an adolescent.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, that thrill seeking behavior, but also that medicating trying
to hide or mask the pain of what I'm living
in too. You know, the social media piece really does
concern me. Kids are just lost on their phones and
this algorithm stuff where they target kids. If kids are
already living in some darkness, they're going to start getting
(41:31):
fed that stuff constantly, and it only takes them deeper
and deeper, and a lot of moms and dads aren't
even aware of what they're really getting lost in. It's insanity, is.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
What it really is all about. Shane.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
We hear a lot about you know, there's this concern
about we're coddling our kids and allowing them to fester
and that stuff versus this move to quote create mentally tougher,
mentally strong children. Help us balance this out, because yeah,
I want my kids to be I want my kids
to be able to face adversity and press through it.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
I want them to be tough.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
But at the same time, I want to make sure
I understand where they're at, what they've gone through, so
that stuff doesn't quote that snakehead doesn't pop up and
just devoured them at the wrong time where they seek
love or something in the arms of stupid stuff and
it's so easy to go there.
Speaker 7 (42:21):
Well, I think we have gone from two extremes. I
think that the pendulum kind of started with not even
acknowledging that child abuse even existed, and it really wasn't
until kind of the nineteen eighties and nineties that we
really began to increase awareness that these adverse early childhood
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experiences are causing consequences, that actually treating a child poorly
can have long term consequences. So I think what happened
is we've kind of almost gone to the other extreme,
that we now are almost indulging and overparenting and trying
to to not do what our parents did to us.
And what's happened is that we end up with a
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lot of over indulgence and children that don't know how
to do hard things. I do think we are moving
a little bit back to the middle, which I think
is a very important place to be, where it's about
recognizing that children need attunement, they need protection, but they
also need challenge, and that it is the responsibility of
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parents and other individuals that are in a child's life
to set up different layers of scaffolding to help that
child do difficult things so that they can grow. Because
I think what happens is that we've given so much
to our kids. I know when I was raising my son,
you know, every kid on the baseball or football team
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got a trophy, and there wasn't really the incentive to
really try and push yourself. And I think, what's happening now.
I watch my son and my daughter in law raise
my grandchildren.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
And they're they're always.
Speaker 7 (44:01):
Telling my granddaughter you can do hard things, and they
don't jump in to rescue her, which I think is
so important because I still am from the old school
of oh no, I don't want her to feel bad,
But it's important if you're going to actually develop emotion regulation.
It's a muscle. You need to learn how to tolerate
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difficult emotions in order to regulate them. And so I
think parents are struggling with this balance between loving and
supporting but also pushing and having expectations.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Probably like to close this way, Shane, at the end
of the day, in our lives versus mom and dad,
we can't give well what we don't do well. And
do your work mom, dad, don't don't let kids carry
that stuff, and don't let the rain get your kids
wet if you will makes sense.
Speaker 7 (44:55):
Yes, I think these times are so tough right now
that I think parents need to recognize that their children
are watching them, and they're watching how they are managing things,
and if they're stuck on the phone, and if they're stuck,
you know, binge watching Netflix and they're not a tuning
to family. That's what the children are going to learn.
Family needs quality together.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Time, Yeah, playtime. Always great to see you, doctor Shawn A. Edison,
Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 7 (45:23):
Thank you Tim.
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Speaker 1 (47:04):
In closing, these are unprecedented times. These are difficult times.
But I believe God's in control and that he's at work.
I hope you're pressing close to his heart. Know that
God loves you, that he wants to be in your life.
Our hope, our strength comes from him. By the way,
here's an encouraging verse again from the Bible to hold
on to this week. It's a reminder of how much
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we need each other and we can encourage one another
verse Thessalonians five, verse eleven. Therefore, encourage one another and
build each other up just as in fact.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You are doing.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
We call that people fuel. I hope you know also
that you can look to God for wisdom and direction
in your everyday life. But let me also say I've
learned as a professional counselor that hey's normal to have concern,
maybe some fear of worry, especially when life's not the
way it's supposed to be. But also know if you
aren't careful, it can begin to consume you, control you.
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It's easy to lose perspective. Some feel like they've lost hope.
It can get so bad for some they may feel
like life would be better off without them. I say
this every week. You don't have to live like that.
Simply taking a step reaching out for help it's often
the gateway to a new day or a new you.
And if you or someone you love is struggling, do
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that reach out for help. There are wonderful counsels and
pastors who care who can help you find the hope
and the answers that you're looking for. There are also
a lot of wonderful resources now love to connect you
with some of those. You can find out more information
up at our website at AACC dot net. If you'd
like to find a Christian mental health leader in your area, Hey,
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go to our new website, some credible website. It's called
christiancareconnect dot com. Christiancareconnect dot com. If you don't have
a relationship with God in Christ, you know what you
can do that right now by asking God to come
indo your life. Simply praying a prayer from your heart
to God's heart something like this. You can pray it
after me, Lord Jesus, I need you. I know I'm
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a sinner. I believe you died for my sins, and
I want to turn from them and invite you to
come into my heart and my life. I want to
trust and follow you as my Lord and savior. God.
Thank you for loving me, forgiving your son for me.
Thank you for the gift of grace, forgiveness, the gift
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of eternal life. I pray all this in Jesus's name.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
You know what I believe. I believe that if you
prayed that heart, that prayer. You know what I believe,
If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God's heart.
You know what the Bible says John three point sixteen.
For God's so loved the world that He gave his
only begotten son to whoever believes in him should not perish,
but have everlasting life. And Romans Chapter ten, verse nine.
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It says this that if you confess with your mouth
that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead. The Bible says this,
you will be saved. The best thing you can do
if you pray their prayers, go and serve God for
the rest of your life. He'll give you the strength
to do it. Hey, if you're struggling with hopelessness, hope
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you'll pick up the phone called the Suicide Hotline nine
eight eight. That's the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. You can
talk to someone right now.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
As always a word.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Of hope and encouragement for you and those you love,
especially in these challenging times. Oh, doctor Tim Clinton, I'll
be your host. Our special guest joining this week. He's
lead pastor of Pathways Church in Mobile, Alabama. Pastor Travis
Johnson is with us. He's the founder and chairman of
the Faith in Freedom Coalition. Ralph red is with us.
She is the best selling author, speaker, podcaster. Heidie Saint
John is back with us and she is a clinical
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and forensic psychologist, trauma and addictions expert. Doctor SHAWNE. Anderson,
thanks for watching. Growing concerns of anti Semitism in the
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Nation of Israel continue to be in the news. Prime
Minister Benjamin Netan Yahoo and an Israeli delegation met with
a group of evangelicals in Palm Beach recently, working to
solidify their relationship and to deal with the concerns of
anti Semitism, especially among today's generations.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You know what the Bible says.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
The Bible says that those who bless Israel will be blessed,
and those who curse Israel will be cursed. Waste, fraud
and abuse in America found by Elon Musk and Doge
That Department of Government efficiency over the past year has
really stunned the nation. But what's happening in Minnesota right
now is shocking the nation. Widespread fraud is unbelievable. It
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was exposed by a young man named Nick Shirley.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He blew it wide open.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We're talking about an estimated nine billion dollars, basically stealing
American taxpayer's money. Democratic Governor Tim Wats is in trouble.
They're a massive caulsure his resignation. He in fact pulled
out of the race for re election as governor. He
will not seek a third term and this will be
his last year as governor of Minnesota. President Trump is
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looking at sending I think two thousand agents to Minneapolis.
Tom Holman, Borderzar says they're launching catch. This the largest
operation ever there in Minnesota. And now it seems like
the fraud investigation is going to go coast to coast.
Elon must told us following recently over two hundred and
thirty million of them that the fraud in California, New York,
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and Illinois is far greater than what's happening in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
If you can.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Believe that this new year, all eyes also locked in
on Venezuela, the capture of Nicholas Maduro and his wife,
a flawless operation by the finest military in the world.
Maduro and Marxist dictator is now locked up a waiting trial,
and they're celebrating in Venezuela. What's amazing to me is
how the radical Dems they're taking the bad guy's side.
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When the President removed the corrupt Marxist dictator again who
was working directly with drug cartels to poison American citizens,
Democrats defended the dictator and accused Trump of committing impeachable offenses.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Smith, you see him on ESPN, said this, if you've
got a bounty on his head, and the bid the
administration had a bounty on his head, once you get him,
that's not something to be complaining about.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I agree. Hey, in times like these.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Our hope, our strength comes from the Lord. Here's a
great verse from the Bible to hold on to this week.
It's a reminder that how much we need each other
one Thessalonians, Chapter five, verse eleven. It says this, therefore,
encourage one another and build one another up, just as
in fact you are doing. Hey, I'm going to pray.
We're going to get started. God be with us, bless
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our program today, Use it for your glory. Thank you
for your steadfast love, your grace in our lives. In Jesus' name. Amen,
let's get started.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
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Speaker 1 (04:19):
Joys Now is Travis Johnson. Travis is lead pastor of
Pathway Church in Mobile, Alabama. He also is CEO of
People for Care and Learning and founder of by a
Try Change of Life. He's a strong and faithful member
of the National Faith Advisory Board, a voice for such
a time as this, Pastor, Travis, thank you for joining me.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Thank you, doctor Clinton. It's always so good to be
with you.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Travis. We get started.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
You and I've had a lot of conversations about this
anti Semitism issue that's been happening really around the globe,
but was strong on college campuses here in the country.
There's now kind of some growing division inside the conservative movement.
Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, and others.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's icky.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You hear what I'm saying, and there's conversation about replacement
theology or whatever. Can you bring some clarity to us
about what's going on?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
You know? I think when I see Tucker Carlson and
Candice Owens those kinds of voices, these are voices that
we've loved and enjoyed. And so actually what it feels
like is they're turning in on the historic victory from
President Trump and the base that put him in the
office and put him in office. So when I see
this issue and what's happening with a lot of it
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is a direct attack on evangelicals over just what you said,
replacement theology, saying that Israel has been uprooted and gentile
Christians have replaced them. This is clearly not what scripture says.
We're grafted in. God still favors and has chosen Israel.
He has a plan for Israel. Of course, we are
saved by Jesus Christ and Christ alone, but this does
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not give license to some pseudo fake Christians to become
anti Semite. So that's been very difficult to see. It's
one thing to see this happening at Columbia University Campus
Ivy League schools with their ready made protest in a
box the day after October seventh. Right, we've seen that,
we understand that. But to see this on the right,
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it's terrible. It's got to be denounced. There's no problem
for me. I'm really disappointed in Tucker Carls and Candice Owens.
Have no problem distancing myself from that because it has
no place not only a Christian faith, but it has
no place in a conservative party. Is not conservative to
be anti submitic. I'm gonna read a passage really quick,
Jeremiah thirty one thirty six. Listen to this. I don't
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even know how you refute this. The Lord says, I
am as likely to reject my people Israel as I
am to abolish the laws of nature. God will cancel
gravity first before he separates from Israel.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Travis.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
A lot of evangelical pastors are galvanizing together on this
very issue. A pastor Jack Graham, Pastor Jensen Franklin, a
host of others are standing strong. Pastor Well Franklin, I
am all friends of ours in the midst of it, Travis,
something significant happened in Palm Beach top of the new year. Here, President,
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I'm sorry. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahoo was in that part
of the country decided he wanted to host a meeting
with evangelicals, and that took place down at the Four
Seasons Hotel there in Palm Beach. It was very moving, Travis.
You were one of many who were in the room,
as was I. But just some reflections on that time together.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
You know, it was great. I appreciated your words that
you shared with the Prime Minister, and I also enjoyed
piggybacking off of that. We had some really good conversation
in the room, and of course what Prime Minister said
was so good. I'm really thankful for him. You know.
One reason I'm thankful is because you know, Europe has
fallen to this Islamic expansionism, and we see Michigan, Minnesota
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as a complete rolling dumpster fire of fraud from a
lot of this stuff. In look, New York City has fallen.
But Prime Minister Benjamin Net and Yahou in Israel they're
not bowing to it. They're fighting, which they should. When
you haul off children and wives, spouses, into hostage situations,
the worst kind of violence taking place, and you ought
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to be able to live in peace. And so I'm
thankful that they have stood. They're the only bulwark against
Islamic radicalism terrorism in the Middle East period, and so
that's such a blessing to us. And so being there
with Prime Minister in net Yahoo was really great. In fact,
I'm going to be able to be with the Ambassador
of Israel this next week in Auburn. I'm looking forward
to that and just very appreciative of the relationship between evangelicals,
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clear voiced evangelical Christians in America and between Israel.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
This comes on the heels of a trip that was
taken by what a thousand evangelical leaders over to Israel
in early December, and it sounded like they're going to
do two more chips of some three thousand more pastors
in particular and students are going to take a massive
group of students to Israel.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
What's the goal.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Well, I think one thing is, you know, when David says,
what I see with my eyes affect my heart. And
so we've got a lot of people influenced by TikTok
prophets and prognosticators. They really are not connected to church.
They're they're you know, running around with these you know,
statements and slogans they make, but is not founded in reality,
both geopolitically or biblically. So going to see what's actually
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happening is really helpful. For instance, while I was there,
I was talking with some of the Israeli police, some
of the Special Forces police basically like the SWAT, and
one of the officers gave me his patch, So there
was this really wonderful moment there. His name was Omran,
which means he was probably Druze or Islamic or Arab.
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Israel is not an apartheid state, and so this runs
counter to the nar that is out there from the
left and you know, from some on the woke right.
So I think that's what this is, is a connecting
together so that we can understand each other, see one another,
and then represent this both biblically and geopolitically. Being informed.
I was never giving, and I've seen no one ever
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being given a talking point. Is just go and see,
and I think that's going to be a real benefit
to our country and also to Israel.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Some of the conversation in the room with the Prime
Minister also revolved around today's generations that the real battleground
is for their minds.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Their souls.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
On this very issue, some of the thoughts are takeaways
around that dialogue that took place.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah. Absolutely, you know, gen Z is a powerful generation.
It's exciting to see what God's doing in them. They're
buying more Bibles right now than anyone else, any other group.
They're attending church with greater frequency than anybody else. So
there's a real revival we're experiencing here in our church.
But I want you to think, if you're an eighteen
year old gen Z, you know, young man, and where
were you? How old were you? What were you thinking
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about on October seventh when that attack took it took place.
I mean, you may not have even been sixteen years old.
You're in a different headspace altogether. In fact, I've had
sit downs with some of these really great young people.
They did not even know that October seventh happened. And
so this is a really great thing to be done
to engage this generation. I'm excited about that, thankful for it.
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And let me tell you, they are the future of
the church, in the future of America and there's some
really great, strong young boys.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
You're going to win or lose the war.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
We cannot disengage. We have to be engaged.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
We want to salute the vision of Mike Evans, Jay
Strack and others who are helping. Yeah, just doing amazing
work in this particular area. Travis, I want to go
to the President of peace. Yeah, the President Trump. You
step back and take a look at what's happened over
the first eleven twelve months here, and we know we
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got a State of the Union address coming up. I'm
sure he'll pack that baby up big time. But just
some reflections on his efforts of peace through strength, using
tariffs at the same time, jumping in the middle of
messes and bringing resolve. One of those was in Africa,
and Travis, you were directly tied to it. Can you
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address that?
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Even it feels like a very interesting moment in time
for me. You know, we've been heavily involved in Cambodia
for decades, and then we've been involved in Congo for
some time. In fact, we've been praying for peace in
Congo for five years here at Pathway Church, and so
to see President Trump effectively getting involved in both Congo
and Cambodia has been a tremendous blessing. And he really is.
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He is a peace president. And let me tell you,
you don't find peace by wishing it, by hoping for it,
by saying sweet things. You have to have strength in
the United States as strong again. And we are seeing
peace again. You know, we're seeing an inventula right now.
Let me also take you growing up in Miami. I
can't I remember my friends growing up, you know, sixteen
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percent non Hispanic Caucasian, almost everybody who was Cuban Latino.
When Fidel Castro fell and broke his arm, all the
Cuban diaspora, they were playing Fidel Castro Falling in slow
motion forward and backward on loop and immediately people went
out into the streets with pots and pants, celebrating like
the Florida Marlins had just won the World Series. And
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this is the same thing that's happening in Miami and
wherever peace loving Latinos are. Because regardless of what Mam
Donnie says, regardless of what the woke, pink haired liberals
in New York says, let me tell you, if you
have lived under socialism, communism, you are celebrating right now,
as all of Miami is celebrating because of what's happened
in Venezuela, because people have a yearning to be free.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Pastor Travis Johnson always great to have you, my friend,
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
For joining me.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Incredible. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
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for joining me.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Thank you Tim. Good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Twenty twenty six, Ralph, this is the big midterms year.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I know it's some to you. A lot of people
are concerned about him.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Just your take on where you think we're at and
what we might need to be thinking about and doing well.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
I think we all know the history of this, tim
you know it Historically the midterm for the party that
holds the White House is historically very challenging. You know.
In twenty eighteen, the last time President Trump went into
a mid term, the Republicans lost forty seats in the House.
(16:29):
They did actually, by the way, gain I think it
was two Senate seats net. So they did much better
on the Senate side. They had a really good map,
you know. Obama lost sixty three seats. Clinton lost fifty
two seats. There have only been two times in the
last century when a party controlling the White House gained
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seats in the midterm after they won the presidency.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
One of those was in nineteen thirty four during the
Great Press under Franklin Delan and Roosevelt. And I wasn't
around for that one, by the way, But I was
around for the other one, Tim, which was in two
thousand and two. I was chairman of the Georgia Republican Party,
and I was on the political team of George W.
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Bush when he became the first president since Franklin Roosevelt
to win House seats in the first midterm, and he
became the first president since the Civil War to gain
control of the US Senate in a midterm after winning
the White House. So I know it can be done.
The good news is, as these redistricting battles have played out,
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it looks like the Republicans are going to be up
roughly five to eight seats over the twenty twenty four
baseline because of the maps that were drawn in places
like Texas and North Carolina and elsewhere. Obviously the leftist
fought back with their maps and places like California, but again,
the net's going to be plus five to eight. The
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Senate map doesn't really allow for a lot of movement
tim for either party. Uh, there's probably really only one
Republican held seat that is in serious danger today, and
that's the open Tom Tilla's seat in North Carolina. The
most vulnerable Democrats are going to be in Georgia and
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in Michigan, Wisconsin, you know, maybe one other state. So
there's not a big Senate map. So the best thing
that I could say to you and your viewers is
I think this is going to be very hard fought.
It's going to be no quarter given, it's going to
be you know, you walk to the middle of the
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ring and you just you just throw punches, and uh,
I think it's a jump ball in the house, I
really do. I think it's plus or minus a handful
of seats as to who's going to control the House, Ralf.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
A lot of people are saying, you better fut in
on the economy, President Trump, make sure you bring a
thing home, and he he's got his no tax on tips,
no tax on social Security. Over time, I think the
Republican past, the Party pass that working.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
The short answer is, I can't tell you today, but
the best bet is there's going to need to be
more work done. I mean, what we're dealing with here, tim,
is a situation where we know these policies work. They're
already working. The price of gas, which hit north of
five dollars a gallon under Joe Biden, is now under
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three dollars and heading for two fifty nationally, and it's
lower in many states. That's a really big deal for
a lot of families. It's between one thousand and fifteen
hundred dollars in additional take home pay a year just
through those lower gas prices and that'll ripple throughout the economy.
You look at the second and third quarter gross domestic
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product numbers, they are way beyond what economists were predicting.
Three point eight percent growth in the second quarter, four
point three percent growth in the third quarter. That second number,
by the way, Tim, is double what Goldman, Sachs and
JP Morgan and all the big smart economists and banks
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were predicting. And the fact is that as was true
under Reagan, as was true under Trump in the first term,
it's true again. You adopt the right policies of sound money,
you cut taxes, you roll back burdensome job killing regulations,
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you unleash the energy sector of the United States, and
not only drill baby drill, but frack baby frack. Sure,
and what ends up happening is the economy is going
to explode. What we don't know yet, Tim, is exactly
when will it explode? And win will inflation, which is
already trickling down, get down into that one and a
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half to two percent range like it was in Trump's
first term. If that happens by the third quarter of
next year, which is what Scott Dessant, the Secretary of Treasury,
tells me confidently is.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Going to happen.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Then we're gonna have a very good story to tell.
Last thing real quickly. You can't leave the healthcare issue
to the Democrats. They're gonna demagogue these premium increases under
Obamacare to death. They're gonna do everything they can to
capitalize on the healthcare issue. And the reality is the
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reason why healthcare premiums are up, and the reason why
healthcare costs are up is because of the failure of Obamacare.
The Affordable Care Act has become the Unaffordable Care Act.
So we have to a tell that story and tell
it well and then be we have to have some
kind of a Republican plan and solution on healthcare that
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includes individual policies, catastrophic care, bring premiums down. And by
the way, Tim, I'm sure this is one that's right
up your alley health costs share ministries. Right now, we
discriminate against Christians who pull together and share their healthcare
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costs and bring down costs and premiums. The Republicans should
end that discrimination against the faith community and a healthcare bill,
and they should do it before the elections.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
God'd be with us, Rolph.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
That's all I can say, hey, I love having these
conversations with you. Thank you so much for joining me.
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Heide Saint John is back with us.
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Speaker 2 (23:17):
Heidi, welcome back. Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Hey, my friend, great to see you.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
As we started. Heidi, waste, fraud and abuse.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You go back to President Trump taking office and he
partners up with Elon Musk and they create that Doze Office,
Department of Government Efficiency. I think the nation was shocked
when they started uncovering what really was going on. We
heard stories all about it, but Heidi, it is shocking.
Now go to fast forward to where we are right
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now in this hour. Look what's happening in Minnesota, Governor
Tim Walls.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
What a mess.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
We're talking about nine billion dollars possibly here uncovered by
a young man, Nick Shirley, who blows this thing up. Man,
oh man, what a mess we've got going on.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Heidi, Yeah, it's amazing. Well, and also we finally got
to see good journalism. I thought that was the job
of journalists was to uncover waste and fraud and abuse.
But the Democrats are screaming for this kid to be silenced.
It's amazing what we see coming out of the left
in this country right now. I'm thrilled. I mean, I'm
absolutely here for it. This is what I voted for.
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I see now that Tim Walls is being forced to
withdraw his bid for reelection let go. I mean it
is absolutely time.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, it's blowing up on him up there, massive calls
for his resignation, etc. How do you at the end
of the day, we're talking about stealing money from American taxpayers.
This is garbage. This is unbelievable this kind of stuff
would go on. Here's what's shocking to me. They're now
saying that the massive scale of this across the country
in other states like California Governor Newsom is even bigger
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than what's going on in Minnesota. I'm home and acting
borders are said, Hey, we're coming with everything that we
got I know that President Trump said let's put two
thousand ice agents up there. Things are happening in Minnesota.
I think this is going to be a massive scandal
for a long time.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Yeah, I think so too. I was meeting a couple
of days ago with the sitting state senator here in
Washington State and a state representative who are telling me
that they believe that when the federal government turns its
attention to Washington State, we will be the second state
in terms of the abuse of the Somalis. Here. We've
got the second largest population of Somalis in Washington State,
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and they are uncovering the same kind of fraud and
abuse here in Washington State. I think you're going to
find it's a cancer that's metastasized to states across the country.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
How do the shocking piece to me? I guess it
really isn't. But the radical Dems are taking the bad
guy's side. I mean, I just I can't even imagine
what in the world's going on here. And when I'm
talking about it's not just Waltz and what's happening there,
but you look at Venezuela and what's going on. This
guy is he was unbelievable as a dictator down there,
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and what happened to the people in Venezuela and all
the corruption that was taking place. And President Trump's trying
to stop all this drug insanity coming into our country,
killing our kids in our bedroom communities and more. Shut
that stuff down. He shuts it down. By the way,
Joe Biden had a basically a bounty on this guy's head.
You hear what I'm saying for I think it's twenty
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five million or something like that. Crazy numbers, Heidi, this
gets done, and the people in this country, the radical
dams are what siding with him? Man, They're coming against
the president for doing this. What in the world's wrong
with us?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Well, we've lost our way spiritually in the country. And
when you lose your moral compass, you always choose the
side of chaos. And that's what we see is happening
in the Democrat Party. They've lost their moral compass. I
would say they lost their moral compass probably decades ago
when they started promoting abortion up to the moment of birth.
But what we see is evil. This is a spiritual problem,
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and you and I have talked about this before. Spiritual
problems require spiritual solutions. We need revival in this nation.
We need to start talking about subjective truth versus objective
truth in our country again. And I wrote a post
about this a couple of days ago, and it reminds
me very much of the Jews screaming for the release
of Barabas. Remember when Pilot came out in front of
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the people and said, what do you want me to do?
And they scream for the release of a murder This guy,
Barabas was not unknown to the Jews. They knew who
he was. They knew the evil that was in his heart.
The people on the Democrat party know the evil of
Nicholas Maduro. They know that the Venezuelans are starving to death.
They know that Nicholas Maduro is pushing drugs. He's a
narco terrorist, pushing drugs and machine guns and weapons into
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our country. They know all these things, and yet they're
screaming for the release of Barabas. This is a spiritual
depravity that we see playing out in Democrat held cities
all across the country. And the only way it will
stop is for people of conscience and people, especially people
who know the Lord, to involve themselves in our political
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system and begin to vote and make their voices heard again, HAIDI.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
If you go into Venezuela, the people are rejoicing at
what President Trump has done. You go into places like Miami,
you can see the people rejoicing.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
This is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And in Washington there's some good people up there. They're
standing strong. But man, we've got to pray that God
would lead and direct and all that's done.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Ha doi.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
In the midst of it, some said, yeah, probably some
other interesting dynamics happening out of Venezuela. You're talking about
mineral rich oil people talking about a possible oil boom.
Now people are also talking about dominion voting machines and
that there might be a little information that might slide
back into our country about what was taking place. I
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guess there's probably some interesting dynamics that could surface here.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Yeah, so too. We've had problems with dominion voting machines
here in Washington State for a long time, and I
think we have a moment right now, and we better
seize the day. We have a moment to uncover this waste,
this fraud, this abuse, this misuse of our free and
fair elections here in the United States, and we've got
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a moment that we need to grasp right now because
the midterms are coming up. I think this is really
important for people to understand. If we sit the mid
terms out and the Democrats take control of the House
of Representatives and of the Senate, they will make they
will do everything they can. We're going to start to
see impeachment proceedings again against President Trump. They will do
everything they can to make him a lame duck president.
We need to wake up, recognize what time it is
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politically and engage. Engage, engage. We can't sit it out
or or just pretend that this is only up to
the president and the current administration. It's actually up to
the American people. And I'm hoping that they read the
political clock and understand what time it is.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Mobilizing people who typically do sit at midterm elections. It's
pretty tough thing to do, Heidie. They feel comfortable, We've
got President Trump, everything's going great.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I don't need to I don't need to.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Go ahead and do that, but Heidi, it's serious. I mean,
there's some real concern in Washington. Typically, what does happen
is that it goes the wrong way. Uh, in this situation.
So we've got to we've got to get after it.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
How do you want to go to it further?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
The peace President, that's what they're calling President Trump now
everybody's dubbing him, is that he operates with peace through strength.
We talked a little bit about tariffs and how he's
barely building cash reserves. And at the end of the day,
if you go back to the midterm elections, people are
going to evaluate a lot of it based on the
economy where things are. President's trying to make some serious moves.
You know, no tax on tips, social security whatever isn't
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going to be enough, and where's this thing going to
drive us too?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
In the moment if you if you.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Step back and Hadi, there have been some really good moves.
You're beginning to see. While there's concern about is law,
look at what's happening in Iran this week. It looks
like the potentially is going to collapse over there. So
when you rip the foundations out from underneath this insanity,
it starts cracking.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Yeah, well, you know what President Trump is doing. I
think the net result around the world is he's emboldening
people to say, stand up for yourself. The United States
has not stood up for itself. The United State has
been typically historically a beacon of hope for free people,
for people to be free around the world, and under
Barack Obama and under Joe Biden, we have lost that legacy.
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And Trump is beginning to restore it again, and it
is giving hope to people around the world. This is
why I think you see people being brave enough. I
watched the news yesterday. The Iranian regime is brutal, and
they are killing people there now, and those executions are
starting to ramp up. It takes courage to stand up
in the face of such tyranny. And President Trump is
I think, signaling to the world A. He means business
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and b you guys can take your country back if
you'll stand for freedom and stand up against these dictators.
What a time to be alive. I mean, honestly, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
How do I know there's continuing rising fear People in
our bedroom communities really are concerned about that open border
mess and the resulting factor of having terrorists all through
our country and that some incident's going to happen and
scare the American people to death, etc. You know, And
then they're seeing this anti Semitism continue to pop its
(32:27):
head up all over the place. They're wondering if Islam's
taking over the country. Hearing people talk about that a lot.
You're seeing a Muslim brotherhoods show up everywhere. How do
you calm yourself in the midst of that? What helps
bring that kind of peace of God that surpasses all understanding.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
I think we need to remember at the end of
the day that we're not responsible for how the world
events play out on the stage. That our responsibility is
to pray and to walk in obedience. God honors obedience,
and that starts in the small places of our hearts,
right starts with every one of us every day saying, Lord,
help me to be in your word so that I
can be guided by this lamp from the Holy Spirit
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to my feet and a light to my path. That
is what helps us to stay grounded. Because we've read
to the end of the book. We know how this
thing plays out. We know that God's will and his
way will prevail in the end. And God's people have
historically been on the receiving end of suffering since the
time of Jesus, and God gives us what we need
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when we need it, and he will give it to us.
I think what Corey ten Boom said probably sums it
up best. She said, when we worry, we are borrowing
strength from tomorrow. It just empties today of its strength,
and we need to not do that. And so God
doesn't call us to be a people of fear. I
love telling women that fear is a spirit. This is
why the apostle Paul told Timothy. God didn't give you
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a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a
sound mind. Fear is not an emotion, it's a spirit,
and through the power of Jesus Christ, we can have
authority over it. That's where God's people need to rest.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
HII Saint John always great to have you, Thank.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
You for joining me, Thanks for having.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Me coming up next. And She is a clinical and
forensic psychologist, trauma and addictions expert, doctor Shawnee Anderson.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
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Speaker 1 (34:30):
Johnny Snow is doctor Shawnee Anderson. She's a licensed clinical psychologist,
trauma and addiction specialist, noted speaker, co director of the
Ethics and Advocacy Division of the American Association of Christian Counselors.
Doctor Shawne. Welcome, Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
Thank you so much for having me, Shauna.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I have looked forward to our conversation together. You know,
we've had a lot of conversations about how difficult life
has been over.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
The past few years.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
A lot of people are overdosing on the brokenness. There's
a lot of fear and trembling, if you will. Some
people are filled with anxiety. They're constantly worrying about everything
that's going to come their way, and it's easy to
get lost in it. Sean Ay, I guess I want
to ask you upfron is, what are you seeing and
just what are some of your thoughts about how we're
managing life.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
I feel like when I come on your show, Tam,
that I am a bit of a broken record. I
think people are really really hurting and really struggling. There
doesn't seem to have been any kind of letup. I
think it almost dates back to even before COVID.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Things have just been really hard.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
And really dark, and I know for a lot of
the patients I work with, the loss of Charlie Kirk
really threw things into a tailspin, and the end of
last year, people were just lost and confused and trying
to reach out to Jesus through the holidays. Every time
we turn around, it seems like, you know, there's another
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traumatic event that happens, or there's another thing that is
dragging people down.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Some people are talking now about collective trauma like it's
impacting everybody and as a culture, we're spinning in the
midst of it.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Shawnee.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
People are also noticing a lot of adverse impact with
our children, and as a matter of fact, they talk
about adverse childhood experiences acees, and it connects back.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Into the trauma world. Shawnee.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Can you explain a little bit about that and help
us maybe look at our children with a little bit
of a different eye.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
Back in nineteen ninety eight, there was a groundbreaking study
that looked at what we call aces adverse childhood experiences,
and it's really looking at all of the different experiences
that a child can experience before the age of eighteen,
and they look at every thing from different forms of
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child abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, child neglect, child abandonment.
It looks like parents that have issues with substance use, divorce,
if there's domestic violence at home, if you have a
parent that's incarcerated. There's a number of these experiences. And
what research has shown, dating back to nineteen ninety eight
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and continuing on to today, it's not good that actually
the number of individuals in our country who have experienced
at least one adverse childhood experience is approximately, depending on
the study, anywhere from sixty five to seventy percent of
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the population. And if you're looking at those that have
experienced two to three or even more than that, it's
anywhere from maybe twenty five to twenty percent of the population.
And so a lot of young people in this country
are being harmed and are being hurt and sadly at
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the hands of their parents. And what we are recognizing
is not only that that is happening and how horrendous
that is, but also we are really recognizing the long term,
both psychological and physical as well as spiritual, relational, social,
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long term catastrophic effects that these early experiences can have
on everybody.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Seaney, I've always loved coaching kids, coach my son Zach,
my daughter Megan through sports, and had a lot of
fun through the years. Kids are amazingly resilient, but they
also do carry buckets of pain with them and it
does affect their trajectory. You can see a lot of
kids who get stunted if you will in life, or
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they get lost, angry, and bitter. It doesn't take much
to go to a playground and see the kids who
don't have a dad. For example. You can see a
kid when you look in their eyes who've been screamed
at their whole life. It just affects them.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Shahee.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
What are some of the signs and symptoms I guess
that we should be thinking about concerned about, especially if
we're worried about our own children or maybe some kids
that we minister to.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
Well. I think that there are a number of things.
Because children respond very individually to adverse effects. There are
some children that actually just biologically tend to be very resilient,
and so some of this stuff can just kind of
roll off their back, especially if there's maybe only one
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ace or two aces. But there are some that may
be temperamentally or genetically biologically that have certain sensitivities that
this type of stuff really will harm their developmental trajectory
throughout their entire life. So I think certain things to
look for are children that are beginning to act out behaviorally,
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children that are angry, children that are anxious, children that
maybe are engaging in dramatic behaviors that sometimes we as
parents get so frustrated with, but we're not recognizing that
there's a reason underneath why children are acting the way
that they are. And so a lot of children, especially
(40:32):
in this day and age of social media and isolation,
so many children are hurting and they don't have any connection.
So I think for a lot of children and particularly
teens that self isolation, struggles with friends, and unwillingness to
connect with friends. And I think the most dangerous are
(40:52):
those that even at a very young age, are experimenting
with drugs and alcohol and pornoga fee and that are
struggling with suicidality and self harm. It's really not a
safe time to be a child or an adolescent.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, that thrill seeking behavior, but also that medicating trying
to hide or mask the pain of what I'm living
in too. You know, the social media piece really does
concern me. Kids are just lost on their phones and
this algorithm stuff where they target kids. If kids are
already living in some darkness, they're going to start getting
(41:31):
fed that stuff constantly, and it only takes them deeper
and deeper, and a lot of moms and dads aren't
even aware of what they're really getting lost in. It's insanity, is.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
What it really is all about. Shane.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
We hear a lot about you know, there's this concern
about we're coddling our kids and allowing them to fester
and that stuff versus this move to quote create mentally tougher,
mentally strong children. Help us balance this out, because yeah,
I want my kids to be I want my kids
to be able to face adversity and press through it.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
I want them to be tough.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
But at the same time, I want to make sure
I understand where they're at, what they've gone through, so
that stuff doesn't quote that snakehead doesn't pop up and
just devoured them at the wrong time where they seek
love or something in the arms of stupid stuff and
it's so easy to go there.
Speaker 7 (42:21):
Well, I think we have gone from two extremes. I
think that the pendulum kind of started with not even
acknowledging that child abuse even existed, and it really wasn't
until kind of the nineteen eighties and nineties that we
really began to increase awareness that these adverse early childhood
(42:42):
experiences are causing consequences, that actually treating a child poorly
can have long term consequences. So I think what happened
is we've kind of almost gone to the other extreme,
that we now are almost indulging and overparenting and trying
to to not do what our parents did to us.
And what's happened is that we end up with a
(43:04):
lot of over indulgence and children that don't know how
to do hard things. I do think we are moving
a little bit back to the middle, which I think
is a very important place to be, where it's about
recognizing that children need attunement, they need protection, but they
also need challenge, and that it is the responsibility of
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parents and other individuals that are in a child's life
to set up different layers of scaffolding to help that
child do difficult things so that they can grow. Because
I think what happens is that we've given so much
to our kids. I know when I was raising my son,
you know, every kid on the baseball or football team
(43:48):
got a trophy, and there wasn't really the incentive to
really try and push yourself. And I think, what's happening now.
I watch my son and my daughter in law raise
my grandchildren.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
And they're they're always.
Speaker 7 (44:01):
Telling my granddaughter you can do hard things, and they
don't jump in to rescue her, which I think is
so important because I still am from the old school
of oh no, I don't want her to feel bad,
But it's important if you're going to actually develop emotion regulation.
It's a muscle. You need to learn how to tolerate
(44:23):
difficult emotions in order to regulate them. And so I
think parents are struggling with this balance between loving and
supporting but also pushing and having expectations.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Probably like to close this way, Shane, at the end
of the day, in our lives versus mom and dad,
we can't give well what we don't do well. And
do your work mom, dad, don't don't let kids carry
that stuff, and don't let the rain get your kids
wet if you will makes sense.
Speaker 7 (44:55):
Yes, I think these times are so tough right now
that I think parents need to recognize that their children
are watching them, and they're watching how they are managing things,
and if they're stuck on the phone, and if they're stuck,
you know, binge watching Netflix and they're not a tuning
to family. That's what the children are going to learn.
Family needs quality together.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Time, Yeah, playtime. Always great to see you, doctor Shawn A. Edison,
Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 7 (45:23):
Thank you Tim.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Do people ever come to you asking for help?
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Maybe hope? How about prayer?
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Do you ever wish you understood the issues better that
people are wrestling with?
Speaker 2 (45:35):
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Speaker 3 (46:49):
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Speaker 4 (47:04):
You know.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
In closing, these are unprecedented times. These are difficult times.
But I believe God's in control and that he's at work.
I hope you're pressing close to his heart. Know that
God loves you, that he wants to be in your life.
Our hope, our strength comes from him. By the way,
here's an encouraging verse again from the Bible to hold
on to this week. It's a reminder of how much
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we need each other and we can encourage one another
verse Thessalonians five, verse eleven. Therefore, encourage one another and
build each other up just as in fact.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You are doing.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
We call that people fuel. I hope you know also
that you can look to God for wisdom and direction
in your everyday life. But let me also say I've
learned as a professional counselor that hey's normal to have concern,
maybe some fear of worry, especially when life's not the
way it's supposed to be. But also know if you
aren't careful, it can begin to consume you, control you.
(47:58):
It's easy to lose perspective. Some feel like they've lost hope.
It can get so bad for some they may feel
like life would be better off without them. I say
this every week. You don't have to live like that.
Simply taking a step reaching out for help it's often
the gateway to a new day or a new you.
And if you or someone you love is struggling, do
(48:18):
that reach out for help. There are wonderful counsels and
pastors who care who can help you find the hope
and the answers that you're looking for. There are also
a lot of wonderful resources now love to connect you
with some of those. You can find out more information
up at our website at AACC dot net. If you'd
like to find a Christian mental health leader in your area, Hey,
(48:40):
go to our new website, some credible website. It's called
christiancareconnect dot com. Christiancareconnect dot com. If you don't have
a relationship with God in Christ, you know what you
can do that right now by asking God to come
indo your life. Simply praying a prayer from your heart
to God's heart something like this. You can pray it
after me, Lord Jesus, I need you. I know I'm
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a sinner. I believe you died for my sins, and
I want to turn from them and invite you to
come into my heart and my life. I want to
trust and follow you as my Lord and savior. God.
Thank you for loving me, forgiving your son for me.
Thank you for the gift of grace, forgiveness, the gift
(49:25):
of eternal life. I pray all this in Jesus's name.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
You know what I believe. I believe that if you
prayed that heart, that prayer. You know what I believe,
If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God's heart.
You know what the Bible says John three point sixteen.
For God's so loved the world that He gave his
only begotten son to whoever believes in him should not perish,
but have everlasting life. And Romans Chapter ten, verse nine.
(49:50):
It says this that if you confess with your mouth
that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead. The Bible says this,
you will be saved. The best thing you can do
if you pray their prayers, go and serve God for
the rest of your life. He'll give you the strength
to do it. Hey, if you're struggling with hopelessness, hope
(50:10):
you'll pick up the phone called the Suicide Hotline nine
eight eight. That's the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. You can
talk to someone right now.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Hey, before we go.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Maybe God's gifted you with a heart to help other people.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
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Speaker 1 (50:23):
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