Who Are The Somali People?| MEET YOUR NEIGHBORS w/ Professor Penn & Mohamed Amin Ahmed | EP226 - Real America’s Voice

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Propa awesome put to by by these peptracuntries that brings
so much in race and religion, in language and cuter.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
It is a big idea a new world order. Well,
I know they're lying. They tricked me once, but they're
not going to trick me twice. The time is now.

(00:43):
Welcome back to the Professor Penn Podcast. Your host David Penn,
happy to be with you as always on this Tuesday night,
the fifth of August. Good Morning, Tanner, Good Morning, Episode
two twenty six, twenty six. We have an in studio
guest today. I'm very excited to welcome into the studio

(01:06):
Mohammed Ahman, who is an associative mind through Republican Party politics,
and I've invited Mohammed here to talk about the African
immigrant community in Minnesota and in Minneapolis, to talk about
the history of that community and how that community is

(01:29):
faring here in Minnesota and what it means politically here
in Minnesota. Welcome, Welcome, thank you, professor, Thank you of
course and got your audiences SODU. Welcome, very glad, very
glad that you're here. Mohammad and I have met several times,
we've met and talked, but this is my first time

(01:50):
I've really had a chance to learn about your history
and where you're from. When did you come here? How
did you get here? Could you share with me? Are
you willing to share with me some of your personal
story and history? And I so I'd like to know you.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
I'm a Gabba. I like talking, so a little bit
of a background. Came in ninety five from Africa, born
and raised in Africa. I'm a Somali that is self evident,
with a little bit of bizaz. But I would say
I like that as Somali with a little bit of bizaz.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's all right. We like that.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
And the thing is when we came to America, we
came with nothing, most of us in the nineties. What
happened is the country went to civil war and the
neighboring country in Kenya, was where I grew up mostly.
And what happened is George bush One. People think it's Obama,

(02:52):
but George bush One allowed refugee status. You have to
understand post nineteen sixty five in America with the LBJ
Immigration Reform. The LBJ LBJ Immigration Reform. Oh he signed
that Immigration Act which removed the quotas for immigration that
it existed almost since the beginning of the country exactly.

(03:14):
That was a very and he signed that in front
of the Statue of Liberty in New York City. That
is correct.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
I know about that now.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
That is the reason why we're here because in nineteen ninety,
when the Civil War began and the Marines was sent
to Soa, Malia to make sure nobody starves on a
biblical basis.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
And you also the black Hawk down and nobody starves
on a biblical basis? Is that what? But so Maria
was starving on at that level at a biblical album.
Talk about a million people dying a famine three years
not famine, money induced famine America USA. It was giving
all the food, the walls were weaponizing the food. And

(03:52):
is this at the end or the beginning? This is
the sid see it said bar the end of the regime,
scientific regime, the scientific socialism regime, that's what he called it. Okay,
I know a little something about this. That's why I'm
so glad for you to be here, because what I
read in a book is some PhD's description. But what

(04:17):
I'm gonna hear from you, you were there, you grew
up there.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
I mean, my family grew up there. I grew up
in Kenya. But the thing is when the civil war started,
it started because of the guy became a dictator. He
became clannish, and he was a socialist, and some people
didn't like that, and they didn't like the fact that
he was in charge of the country. Post nineteen seventy

(04:42):
seven nineteen seventy eight, America supported Somalia in the war
against the Communists in Utopia.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Oh so this was part of the Cold War confrontation
between the Russians, which we called the Soviet Union at
the time and the Eastern And the idea was because
for those of the listeners and viewers who don't know it,
this region of Africa is very strategic because it is
on the water way to the Suez Canal correct.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Red Sea, Indian Ocean. Forty percent of world global trade
passes through Somalia forty percent. We would call this a
choke point then, correct, why the hooties exist on the
other side of the waterway in Yemen. Right, And so

(05:36):
this goes actually back this conflict which you're referencing to
of this biblical famine and all of this disruption. Does
this go back to the British and French colonial period,
the disruption of these countries in Africa. Do you build
that up because every three root route seed you have understand.

(06:01):
Prior to the British Empire, we had empires of Somalis
and I'll go through a few of them. We had
the Ajuran Empire, which was clerical theocratic and it fell
apart because it became too theocratic. And we had other
empires come about, like the Majoritanian Empire with the Majoritan tribes,

(06:22):
Hobbio Empire with the Hawii tribes, the sakh Empire with
the sak tribes. We had the Ghildi Empire. We had
the Imma Mets. We had a ton of small sultanates.
You have to understand sultanates, sultanates, small governances, city states,
city states.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
One.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Moradisho had one that started from the tenth century to
the thirteenth century. Not only did they control Mogradisho, the
Arabs in southern Arabia were paying.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Tribute to it, paying tribute to the Sultanate in Megadishu.
Oh so what Mohammed is going through for Mohammed is
the history of this region. We talked about the Horn
of Africa, the kushas the so Mali And we sit
here in America and we have a hard time. Remember

(07:11):
in the Vietnam War.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Oh, No, let me tell you how the name so
Mali came up. Okay place we call it so mar
so Ma means go milk, milk. You go to northern Somalia,
they say, go milk the camel. Southern so Mary they say,
go milk the cow. We are nomads, pastorists.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
You're nomadic pastoralists. Tribal culture fact, and you can go back.
Some say it came from the Jews. Some say what
came from the Jews?

Speaker 3 (07:44):
The name so mar Oh because of Asthma the left
hand side, I got it. And Herodotus you're familiar with him.
Westerners are familiar with Herodotus because he was the historian
Herodotus the Greek. Yes, he met the Automli in Egypt.

(08:06):
So this Smaal is nomadic tribal culture. How far does
it go back? Does it go back to Biblical times
three two BCE? My friend, the first bodial sites in
East Africa in the Horn of Africa.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Three hundred years before Christ, not even three hundred years
before Christ, before even the stone age. Oh okay, all right,
we're talking about the first cave painting bodial sites I
in so Madild. Okay, you can still go see them
till today. So what I would like everybody to focus

(08:50):
on is the judgments that we hold against Africans here
in our country. But in reality, this is a very
ancient culture variation.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
We can't go to Egypt. King Hafta sat Put. The
people So Malia called used to call it Puntland, the
ancient land of Portland.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
That's what they call it Portland.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yes, you'll find in the hieroglyphics in Gizer my people's information.
They said, go there for trade, you will find gold, ivory, frankincense.
We were doing business as warrior traders and empire builders
with Romans. I'll tell you a joke, okay. The Romans

(09:35):
believed the spices they were buying from came from so Malia.
We were buying it from India.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Are you were the middle man?

Speaker 3 (09:43):
And we and the Arabs across the street, we were traders.
We kept a secret for five hundred.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Years about what about the pathway.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
The destination because the Romans would come to the Porto
Mogadishu and other ports, and they'll buy the spices from
our markets, knowing we're buying it from the Indians and
selling it to them. And the almost are like, where
does it come from? We say from the farms and
the interior.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
We can't teach you, there's too dangerous. Five one hundred years,
my friend. So we've been doing business. We're known as warriors,
traders and empire builders. Those are the three things. So
Malaies are known for. We have a code. People don't
know about our code. Our code is Derxi. We always
say that word again. What we have a code? Somalies

(10:28):
are known to have a cold. And what is it called.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
The code is called a code of life, code of life. Okay,
we are number one Texi. You mean that with the
people who open up our arms to charity zaka and
give arms before even Islam.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Okay, so the number one thing is before Islam, Before
even Islam.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
There was a faith called before when we're with the Egyptians,
the moon, the sun, god Rah. After the Egyptians, we
are our own spiritual belief in trees and the environment
and things. Those It was called the wach or Kushites
used to believe that now Kushites is an entire region.
You can go from kush you can go from East

(11:10):
Africa all the way to the borders of Egypt. You'll
find Kushites. Even within modern day Egypt live Kushites. It's
a big nation. But with the Somali section of it,
we are cousins to the Arabs and cousins to the
Jews Semites.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
People don't know that Somalis are Semites. Yeah, we're Semites.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
So when people say anti Semitism, I'm like, dude, we
yet it. We Semites, you know, we're Cushitic side of it,
we are the Kushats, they're the Semites. We are cousins.
And then if you look at things along the lines
of when the British came in eighteen sixty five, and
prior to that, not only the British came, the French came.

(11:55):
The Germans were the first to try you. After the
start in Germany out of van Bismarck was the one
and King Leopod were the ones pushing for colonization of
Africa because of disputes.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
King Leopold of Belgium is a mass murderer who is
not known for being the mass murderer that he is well.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
He took He took Congo and the third of the
population died, chopped off a third of the people's.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
One third of the population of the Congo died under
the colonial rule of the Belgian king Leopold.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
One third private property, his private property. Everywhere else was
a colony. After the stand located corporations East Africa, British Corporation,
Italian Corporation, h German Business Corporation. They I mean everyone
had an outfit. It was a corporate entity. They used

(12:47):
racial ideology, they used economic subjugation. I mean the Europeans
had guns, they had superior technology, and people who came
in Earlia, like living had mapped it out ken Livingstone
when they had to spread the gospel. But to get
there he had to get funded, and the people who

(13:09):
gave him the funding told him, show us the landscape
and tell us about the peoples. That's for the British verssion.
So they came to so Malia. After this time, we
are arian nation. Not one nation could take us by itself.
And the land is bigger than Texas, so I mean

(13:30):
it is almost twice as big as Texas.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
With lots of natural resources. Everything you can imagine in
this planet, uranium to gold to oil, fish in plenty.
So it's a very wealthy natural environment. Everything we need
is in Somalia. So let me guess that the colonial

(13:54):
powers to rule over the people created there was already
clannish divisions did and they divided it and armed both sides.
They came in through protectors. Look, we want to do business.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
He's a treaty, will pay you, give us access, set
up a fort solers come destroyer, protected in your kingdom,
put in a colonialism, put in a colonial project, and
then siphon of everything.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, I don't know that the people that are contemporaries
of mine here understand the caustic effect of colonialism. Yet
America is a colony of the British and the very
same processes they tried to put in place here in
this country. And I think our current politics, the way

(14:51):
I talk about it on this podcast is we're still
trying to throw off the machinations and manipulations of a
empire here in this country. That's how I think about it.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Well, the way I think about this country is we
are an empire ourselves in the past eighty years post
World War Two, the world was in ruins. Not the world,
but the industrialized world was in ruins. The British, the French,
the Europeans.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
A change was coming. They were losing their colonies. The
Empires fell apart.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Between nineteen forty five and nineteen sixty five, a lot
of nations got independence, including Somalia. In nineteen sixty we
went democratic because the youth, it's always the youth of African.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Asia, the youth, the students.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
So the group called syl So Mali Youth League, a
group of youths. We started as a Somali youth club.
The first thing they did was bisecular This was a clacks.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
So it when did Islam? When did the Islam become
so prevalent in Samalia? Or is it prevalent in is Islam? Yes,
that is the religion of the country.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Now demographically we're looking at according to the twenty twenty
two census and director from the Ministry of Religion.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
They have a Ministry of Religion there. But I don't
understand why you need a minister to a man.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Religion belongs to God, but they do things like that
in countries where we come from. Ministry of religion and
of the people population is Muslim. Not only are they
Muslim than ninety nine percent Suni Sunni Muslim. One sect
of Islam. Now within that it's not monolithic. Samasufi, Samatarika,

(16:46):
samaur Habi, Samasalafi, they Willhabi in. The Salafi have grown
in the last thirty years. And the reason why they
grew is because the Sufi orders maintained Samaria from the
seventh century until the British came. Then they were broken up.
The Sufi brotherhood is about live and let leave Islam.

(17:09):
That's traditional old school Islam.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Traditional old school Islam because for the people that are
losing so many people. But the let me just We're
going to bounce around a little bit, but I'm going
to try to carry this thread through from the introduction
of Islam, which about what year was Islam introduced into
some century right at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
The first pilgrims who left, I mean when Muslim Islam
was just a handful of followers and they were being
killed in Macca. But the Kurachi tribes were pagans, Maha
Musla was told is Muslims escape.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
So right at the beginning of right at the beginning
of Islam. That's when Somalia adopted Islam.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
As we have a mosque still standing from the seventh
century and function until today.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
So what is what I see one of the There's
many reasons why I wanted to have you as a
guest today and thank you for coming on. But here
in Minnesota, in the Republican Party and in the citizens generally,
there's not much understanding of this African history, very little,

(18:19):
very little understanding, very little insight into the colonial machinations
of the European powers, what they did in Africa, what
they did to the United States. Because I'm going to
take it a step, I'll just go back. Yes, we've
been in an empire for eighty years, but did the people
really want an empire? Because the people, a lot of

(18:40):
the people that came here to this country didn't want
an empire. They wanted economic freedom, religious freedom, they wanted
a good life. They didn't want to be involved. That's
why they come from Europe is to escape empire. So
empire kind of followed us here to the United States.
And I think our current politics in the Republican Party

(19:01):
is a group of people that are what they call
America firsters they don't want to be involved in empire
and the traditional Republicans that are very proud of America's
far flung deployment of military and it's economic and military power.
These two groups are fighting for control of the Republican Party.

(19:22):
But the through theme why I wanted you to come
on and I just wanted to do I want to
have it out with you. There are people that are
truly afraid of the Africans and they view Islam in
very negative terms, and I think that's something we need
to talk about. We need to get it out on

(19:44):
the table and understand what's going on in the African
community here in Minnesota. What is the relationship of that
community to our traditional Minnesota culture, what is the intent
of the community. If you can speak to those things,
wrap it into this conversation as we go forward. Because

(20:04):
what I'm looking for I'm looking for peace. I'm looking
for peace, I'm looking for solidarity. I'm looking for people
to be Americans. So that's I mean, that's a good
question to ask. Is the Somali community, the African community
from your perspective, interested in becoming part of America.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
That's an excellent question. The answer is we came running here.
You're half that answers half your question. We would not
be coming here if it weren't wanted, if the interest
of the person who came into America decided to set roots.
I got five children here. My brother is a legislator,

(20:49):
he's a Democrat. My sister is a professor in public health.
He owns businesses in this city. My other brother is
a mechanic for Delta Airline. We came with nothing. All
of us have children. In fact, on the fifteenth we're
doing a very minisaulta thing. We go into the lakes

(21:11):
here as a family fishing. You'll be going fishing and
ramping and instilling some knowledge. And you know, we do
the traditional family values thing. Nephew, that's your niece, loand
each other.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
You know, the.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
African way we put we bringing up families together. We
are God family and country.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
People God family, country. And we love guns and you
love guns, Yeah we do, we do. We are warrior people,
your warrior people. We're warrior people. We gotta keep arms
at all times. Our women carry guns. In fact, your
women carry Your.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Women carry an AK forty seven.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Our man needs a Browning fifteen millimeter to be called man.
You know, stand what I'm trying to tell you an
RPG two okay, other was you know the man? In
other words, if you're going to go to a gunfight
bringing OURPG pretty much, okay, I got it. That's great.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
We are warrior and we are traders. I'm a businessman.
My father was a business man. My grandfather was a
business man. My great grandfather was a business I can
go generations up to twenty seven generations. I'll tell you
whether they were doing business with from West Africa to
Central Africa, to Middle East to Europe, twenty seven generations

(22:32):
to India.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
So you're saying, if I understand this correctly, the colonial
period ended between forty five and sixty five. In nineteen
sixty Somalia gained its independence from Great Britain.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
He was actually an Italian protector given by the UN
in nineteen forty five to nineteen sixty as a protector by.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
The by the Italians.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
You see, the Italians were beaten during World War two
by the British routed. And then the split came about
what peace gave was given to Utopia, A piece of
it was given to Kenya.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Why did they give it to the Italians after they
lost that war, because they had thought they had fought
a war with the Ethiopians.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
The Italians wonderful, implanting seeds for future divide and rule.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Because I am I right, didn't the Italians fight a
war in Ethiopia in the nineteen thirties.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Six to nineteen forty five. So Mali supported the Eetopians
because when a foreigner comes in the midst of Africans,
Africans unite.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
And that was a great way to maintain that division,
was to put that colonial power Italy in charges soma
yah almost like a penalty exactly. Okay, I get it now.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
What happened is nineteen forty five a group from nineteen
fifties called so malutely s yl As Weyl and s
y l went secular. This was the clocks, the educated class.
The first thing they did is they refuse to tell
people their tribes.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Were they Marxists, No.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
They were secular democrats.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Secular democrats, so good were they?

Speaker 3 (24:10):
They were given an option, what do you want to
become an Islamic immorate, a communist nation, a socialist nation,
or democratic capitalist nation. They chose capitalism and they chose democracy.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
In fact, so good were they that when they held power,
it is the first African country in the world that
democratically transitioned from one.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Head of state to the next.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
And what year was the transform powers? Were in the
sixties to sixty nine? And then how did this said
bar get involved in the whole thing?

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Sixty nine? He does a coop and it doesn't cool
because a window opened, the prime minister got shot by
his own cousin, his own bodyguard. And in the confusion,
a general trained in the Front academi a socialist? Where
was it trained in the Front academy? The military Academy France, France,
Military academy in the Soviet Union.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Oh, he was trained in the Soviet Union. Okay, he
comes with his Leninist Marxist ideas, takes over the country.
It does are cool.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
And he was popular until nineteen seventy six when he
went to war with Utopia. And at that time he
was Eastern Block talking like the way most of these
African dictators want to be a talkie. The West is
the enemy, America is the enemy. No, we're traders. We
don't care who you are. We just want to do

(25:35):
business with you.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Sounds like Donald Trump. You know, that's who we are
as a people. We we have not East West. We
just want trade business. And some form of people was
bar aligned with let's say, like a Gamo abdul Nasser.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
No Gamal abd Nasa was a thing of his own.
He was Arab nationalists, but he also slept with the
Eastern Bloc and the Soviet Union.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Well, that's what I'm saying. Was there some was Somaya
standalone at that time or was it involved?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
It was it was along those lines.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Along the lines of the Soviet Union's block of countries.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
The man was populist, okay, And the figured out that
basically the need was there colonization had to stripped the
community's bare, and he went to nationalized everything. And that's
the main issue that most of us had a problem with.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
He nationalized, He nationalized your business, took your money, made
you poor. There you go, okay. So then what happened
was a civil war broke out because people came to
oppose this nationalization, this communist plan that was going on. Somebody,

(26:39):
do I understand correctly?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
That is part of it. It's a bigger picture.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Is there a religious is there a religious part to it.
Also also part of that too, okay, and I'll explain
it to you. In nineteen seventy six, seventy seven, seventy eight,
there was a war with it Toopia.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Now Utopia was a Dergu Mengist Halle Marium Communist communist,
Red Dye Wold Dye Leninist Marxist Communists. I mean when
he was Stalinistic Ethiopia. Itopia was with the Direk Party,
I mean Mariam Rennet. And this is after Heli Sala.

(27:16):
This is after he killed Hyder Salassi and buried him
in the battle, killed the king of kings in Eutopia,
destroyed a thousand empire with communism, killed the African in them.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
And this was backed by the Soviet.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
This was not only backed by the Soviet, the Russians
paid for it, informed it, set up the process and
killed Hyder Salassi. This is the hidden secret. The KGP
did that.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
The files came out.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
That's the first time I heard that.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
The files came out. Go look it up. I don't
know if they're gonna bury it again. But the files
came out during the Peristroica when the opening came up.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
So where was Somalia. Then why did he.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Just understand communism does not come from US Africa. It
had to come from somewhere.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
And I was during the Cold War who was sponsoring
communism in Africa and Latin America and the Middle East
and European Asia. Well that's a whole other podcast because.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
But what I'm trying to tell you is after that
we were in the Eastern Bloc Assa Mariia and so Manage,
I've decided, you know what, this guy's becoming stalinistic. And
when they were terrorized in the so Many population in
western Western organ area, and the people there were there
was already a rebellion Western so Many Revolutionary Front, and

(28:33):
these people were actually fighting. And when the fighting god
was and the repression god was, we saw Malage do
what we saw Maliges do. We form alliances and we
go to war. And Selbury went into a war which
was populist. Everyone could see it coming a mile away.
But he was already in the Eastern Bloc. So basically

(28:53):
it was fighting the ankle of the Russians.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
He was by who is he fighting ethopia? The communist utopia?
We fought Utopians?

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Is the seventh century in one or another of the
resources alert. But this was the communist version of.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
It, and so they were fighting the communists, fighting the communists.
But he had problems within Somalia. Also, the biggest problem
was is he was a client state of the communist Okay,
so why you broke off, went to American side and
the United States started to fund him with billions of dollars.
Pretty much, yes, pretty much, even though he was a dictator.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
You have understand back in those days, the American foreign
policies will fight communists everywhere. I mean, you gotta look
at Vietnam, the Domino thing. The philosophy is basically, we
fight everywhere but in America.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
And what was the fight really over the resources and
the forty percent of the international trade that goes through the.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Civil national vote that comes with it in multinational bodies.
There's a whole lot of goodies that comes along with
the country aligning with you beyond trade and peace.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
So how is it that bars regime fell? How did
it fall?

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Well, it was a coup. At the end of the war.
People blamed Barre, but you have to understand.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Who won that war Between Atopia on the.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Kubans came in twenty thousand of them, I mean Eastern
Germany came in, the Yemeni, the Communists came in. I
mean the Russian general was running the war for Eutopia
and a billion dollars airlifted a billion dollars nineteen seventy eight,
as close to forty fifty billion today in arms was

(30:33):
delivered to Eutopia. And we were getting worked a couple
one hundred million and General Miley under cover when it
was just a special forces training so many forces and
the population wise is fifty to one.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
So what shape was Somalia left in after that war devastated?

Speaker 3 (30:53):
We lost a third of our forces and guess what
the ones who were coming back to try to do
a coup. And this guy started paging and the people
who was paging formed military wings, whether he was SSTF
so Malie Salvation Democratic Fraud or the scn M so
Many National Pathetic Movement or the SPM logad instead. And

(31:13):
he went along tribal levels and all of them wanted
an end to this dictatorship and it became even more impressive.
And he was a client state for the West because
again is a this is he was a charismatic one.
He was elegant, the man could speak, the monk could lead.
But his government was corrupt to the core, and socialists

(31:37):
and socialism took a country that was going to be
the Singapore of Africa into a begging board. The most
popular song during that time was so good a land Cruiser,
So Barry Giley, So Barry Giley, So god land Cruz.
Go to the world and beg for me while you
build mansions and by sports cars. That's how corrupt the

(31:59):
government leaders ship. The government was corrupt, took the money
for itself. The people fell into poverty. These warrior, the
closs business people. We wanted our businesses. Why did your freedom?
We wanted our freedom. Some wanted democracy back, some form
of democracy, not this cliquish socialist ideology which took over

(32:21):
the country.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
And how how did the Islamic religion play in total position?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Comes in many ways. There's a group called Alis Islamia.
It had organization. Yeah, and the hard came about in
the eighties. Now what happened is Salsbury, for all his
fort was a progressive leader. He put the first five
mill files in Africa. Jet fighters, some other women soldiers,

(32:47):
some other women. The women fought against besides the men,
they could do anything in Somalia, and some traditionalistening like that.
They say the empire women too much. We're still living
in a missage.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
So what you're saying is he actually it's progressive in
terms of liberating women, the women in the society, and
that brought it back a blowback from the Islamic traditional.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Islam does not mind women being liberated. What in minds
is westernizing it.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
We're gonna bookmark that and come back to it. That's
a very interesting.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
That's cultures to be Islamic. Nobody's saying they can't do
anything they're not doing. It's just that we want the
people traditions to saying why are women naked while they
were in bikinis? Why are they on the beaches? Why
are in the nightclubs while they drinking? Backlash were traditional
Muslim society.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
We're not Westerners, which had been established since the beginning
of Islam in these seven hundreds, So it's very deep
rut in the people.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
In our DNA. Islam is in our DNA. You can't
even the one who drinks alcoholic Muslim Somali will still.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
It goes from morning prayers he goes from morning prayers exactly,
snort the cocaine at night, the morning prayer in the morning.
Tell you Islam is the way. It's in our DNA.
I understand it. No, yes, for sure, it's in our DNA.
I carry with me at all times. My bead is
with me.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
The Sufi waste lives even in America.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
But you know the Minnesotans are afraid of this. You
know this right that people are afraid that I'm bringing
it up again. I'm gonna let you go. You get
there anytime you want to.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Well. Al ISLAMI a little herd started and the minism
why it started because there was a couple of issues.
Number one, the other be trained so Mali is one
not getting jobs. They suspected them. Say that one more time,
a big trained traditional so Mali learning system.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Okay, they want to get the jobs.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
It's the Western educated ones, especially the socialist.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
They got the jobs. They got the jobs in the
more modernized in a technical, technocratic, modernized society. Those that
were educated in the traditional Islamic system we were discriminated
against and the rewards went to those that were educated
in the Western system.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Exactly. Okay, So the shift and the balance and the
pull and pull came about because there's always an in
crowded society and an outcrowd. They were on an outcrowd.
So what do you think they will do.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
They're going to fight to get back on the inside.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
So they formed the associations in the eighties and Salbury
they started setting him up and they said, this guy
is no longer a Muslim, and he took offense at that.
They said, I'm a so Mali, I'm a Muslim. What
are you talking about? And then they said because they
used the women as an issue, and they said, you're
making the women more than they are supposed to be.
And they said, but women can do anything. Now they

(35:50):
couldn't retort to that. But in the Huran he says
men and women are not equal, and it's true biological
or equal, mentally, physically not equal, and managed to protect
them woman. This is traditional Islam. We're not gonna I'm
not gonna dictate to argue about it. I'm a muslima
believe in that. But in opportunities they equal in everything.
Mohammed Salon Ali Slam the prophet himself, was a walker

(36:14):
and a husband to a forty old woman when he
was twenty five, running her caravans across the Arabian before
even became a prophet, working for a woman, working for
a woman Ali Salam.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
So what you're saying, like, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
So Islam does not forbid that, but sell better went father.
He said, show me the vase in the Quran and
I will change it. And that nobody changes the Quran.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
So that alienated him from the religious hierarchy. Yeah, and
they formedly. He came on the streets and he killed them,
and he started jailing them, lots of them.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
I mean, he was killing them like he was going
out of fashion.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
This side this this history. I know he even though
is scientific socialism, used one of the pillars of Islam's
a cot to justify socialism. When it came down to it,
he repressed the religious hierarchy. Social care about his power.
All socialists care about his power. Democratic You've seen it

(37:19):
with your own eyes.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
There's nothing democratic about them.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Now that's something we're gonna come back. So we got
two issues in the next hour. We got to get
to go. We gotta get back to this because we
have this issue in Minneapolis. We'll get to that with
omar Fata. We will get to that.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Now.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
What happened is after that they formed a little hot
They went a little bit. Let's say the people are
already because people still support itself, but people didn't rise
up like the way they expected. Now you have to
understand malicious. We're already fighting insurgences. And these people went
about doing tao. Basically, they propagated the ideology. Some of

(38:00):
them propagated extremes versions of Islam. They went all the
way militant because of the repression. That was their reaction.
They went extreme militant. And now so is a traditionally Sufis,
which is more tolerant. We're tolerant of everything. We believe

(38:20):
that a soul and the Lord is between a soul
and the Lord. Not judgmental, not very judgmental. We're judgmental.
We judge sin, sin, you judge, but not people. Let
me put it that way. We will judge you, but
we go slowly about it. But these ones who came about,

(38:45):
they will beat you into the faith, cajole you, sastise you.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
And they will beat you into the faith. They will
beat into the faith. This is the Gulf form of Islam. Well,
hobbyist answer, and was the Saudi's funding some of these.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Groups was funding this left hand right? And when Saltbater
went down, the institutions went down and the schools were
shut down. And what do you think opened up in
so many Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, because all the institutions and apart these people. You
see what happened. There's nothing wrong with it, sala fie,
there's nothing wrong with it. It's the extreme version people
have a problem with that. Will chop off your head
or do what we want. And then when the institutions
fell apart, they found an opening and the country fell apart, right.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
They set up educational institutions, and the generation came about
they call an isis.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
And then this is the time when because there was
so much violence and repression. This was under the George
Bush administration time coming back from the Johnson administration, Americans,
I have a read of history book to know what's
coming next. Well, I think I think I do. And
that's when those podcasts governments, Oh our government, Yeah, well,

(40:08):
our government have.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
No The idea is yesterday and the next election cycle.
That's as far as their minds go.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Well, that's because they're so highly educated.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Is that what it is.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
That's what it is. Yes, I've never met a more
ignorant class of people than the ones who let this
count in the last thirty years.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
They don't know history.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
They're all they're all graduates of our finesty lead institutions, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Columbia.
That's where they get their education from other PhDs.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
I mean they alienated everybody. They alienated everybody from the
Gulf to Latin America to Europe to Africa because they
didn't open up a history book to understand what underlies
these issues.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Okay, how you go about dealing with these people? Okay,
So what underlies all these issues.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
All these issues stems from colonialism.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Okay, let's stop right here. First, for everybody that's listening,
that's listened to the previous two hundred and twenty five
Professor Penn podcast, and I apologized to you that I
didn't remember that Somalia was given as an Italian protectorate.
I forgot that. And I apologize because that's a lack
of my own historical knowledge all of these histories. To

(41:19):
understand where we are, we got to know how we
got here, and how we got here was colonialism. And
neo colonialism. And we're still trying to heal from what
the European colonial powers did to the Chinese. For example,
they told him the sick of the six mon of Asia,
sick man of Asia. That do you know? Do you
all know that the United States was part of the

(41:42):
colonization of China opiumate? Do we know that some of
our most famous families and richest families made their money names,
you know, like Roosevelt, made their money selling drugs to
the Chinese opium trade opium trade, right right? We don't know.
And you know, to Mohammad who's talking about a history

(42:06):
going back thousands and thousands of years, obviously you know
your history of your beach historian, I don't know history.
I just doubled it well for dabbling. It's dabling a
lot more than that. Yeah, he says dabbling, but he's
just mentioning all these years straight off the dome. But
but the point is we don't have that in our

(42:27):
school system. We don't even have that interest because our
educated elites don't want us to know. Those who don't
know history, we never know their future. Why should I
teach you history if you're going to change the future
of it. Say that a little bit more. What do

(42:48):
you mean by that?

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Those who don't know history don't know their future. If
you have no past, I'll treat your future for yousidication.
So why should the depopular missidication teach you about history
when they want to shape your future.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
They don't want you to know who you are. I
say it all the time on the podcast. The point
of this podcast, one of the core ideas is we
have to know how we got here if we're going
to know where we're going to go. And I'm so
interested to keep going on this because now we're to
your life. Now you're born, now this is the period

(43:25):
of your childhood in East Africa.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Correct, Yeah, my father and I'll have to say this
as a disclaimer, when they nationalized our industries, we did
what we always do. Start an insurgeancy.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Okay, well they stole from you pretty much.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yeah, and you put our eldess, my tribal elldness in jail.
We're very tribal people. Now I'm not that tribal, but
the tribe lives within miss in our DNA.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
But you have to understand that when you sew social security,
how we walk the world. When you say try, I'm
from a tribe ah, so I understand what you mean.
But I think most people don't understand a tribal mentality
here in modern American twenty twenty five, the loyalties and

(44:19):
the family relations. They just don't understand it. It's not
part it's part of making sure people are easy to
shape their futures, to break them from all their relations.
Americans are very adamized. See. One of the reasons I
wanted you to come in here is I want What
I'm hoping to find out, or what I'm going to encourage,
is that people discover the founding documents of American and

(44:44):
they go, Wow, that's freedom. We like that that we
can come together of all these different communities as Americans.
And that's why I'm here. I want to find out
if that's possible. Ken, you're going to say the this
is a good question. Can the Somali, can the East
African community? Can the African community actually become Americans? And

(45:08):
I'm going to tell you a story because I'm from
a tribe, which.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Tribe judah Ah what branch it's almost all mudy. I
know they're breaking branches ascenas is.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
A heart ashkenas. Okay, So when my family came here,
we also ran away. Nobody wanted to had to stay die.
So everybody in my family stayed, died, nobody survived. The
only people that lived either came to the United States

(45:41):
or went to Israel.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
And when I was one population is using the world
is Israel number two America America.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
That's right. So my my my grandfather came to America,
my grandmother came to America. Both sides. Family came at
the same time because it's impossible to stay in Europe
at that time. Ran away, just like your family ran
away from violence, from rapes, robberies, murders, the history. I

(46:10):
know how my family died. I mean my grandfather told
me his brothers and sisters were killed. Why he came.
First he went to England, and then he came to Canada.
Then he got lawfully came into the United States. Because
this is before Johnson, so it was not easy to
come in here. They didn't want to. They didn't want
the Jews in the United States. So when I say they,

(46:32):
I mean the political class, I mean the Republican Party
did not want the Jews in the United States.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I can tell you who exactly didn't want because I
do history. There was a reverend out there, there was
a there was a Catholic guy who was.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
On the father Colin.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Who was leading bought organization. I mean, there was a
whole lot of people.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
And the guy who was the senator from Las Vegas, mccaren.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
On the books.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yes, that's correct.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
There were loose in America. That's say, don't bring the Jews. So,
but they had lows for the Catholics and then they
are low.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
They want to keep the Catholic car too.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Oh yes, yeah, so it's normal in America.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
We go through ups and downs of immigration, of immigration,
anti immigration.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
This is very normal.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Well it's very historical.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
I don't know that it's normal true to ourselves.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
But I want to tell you my family came here
and I was raised in the Old Way and the Old.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Way what part of Europe?

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Ukraine?

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Ukraine? Oh yeah, I'm Ukrainian, Kiev are mostly.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Yes, and so you know, the first language in my
home was Yiddish, the second language was Russian, third language Hebrew,
fourth language English. So this is how I grew up
in a multi lingual immigrant home. And my grandmother. When
I was about fourteen, fifteen years old, she sat me

(48:06):
down and she said, my son, you're an America. Now.
You don't have to wear a qipaw. You don't have
to do the old ways. You're in America. Be an American, assimilate, assimilated.
Don't be like your grandfather and me. Become an American.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Oh well, neworld.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
And she pushed me to do it because she thought
that was and this was in the you know, sixties.
And I listened to her, and because I loved her shoes,
because you know, in a tribal culture, grandmother very important.
She's the glue, she's the exactly she was the boss.
I don't want to cook the food, for God's sakes,
that's exactly correct.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
You don't eat unless you listen to grandma. Everybody knows that.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
That's seemed very similar. When Mohammad came to he brought
food for us this morning. Because we never go to
visit a guest. We never go as a guest without
a gift. So it's a Jewish way too. It's a
Jewish way too because we're cousins.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Hey mann a last for multiple man when you.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Invite me anyhow, when She told me to assimilate, and
I did, and I speak perfect English now and my
Hebrew is not so good anymore. My Yiddish is worse.
I can still pray in Hebrew, and I do. But
the the need to assimilate. At that time, of course,

(49:34):
America was baling in nineteen sixty. I mean, it was
a wonderful. The sixties and seventies was a wonderful time
to grow up in America because America was large and
in charge, and it was a very just a good
feeling to be an American. Just good. It was good
to feel like I had a great feeling to be
part of the culture. Now you left, same I family.

(49:59):
My family left people dying, killing, murdered, butchered. Everyone leaves
that can get out. So your family left. There was
an insurgency, you said, your father the king.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
We were safe.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
We had money. We've always had money in my family. Okay,
we were upper middle class.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
We've always been upper middle class because also we're part
of the tribal hierarchy.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
So Ahamdulilai come from a good blood Leno man who
put us in that position.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
And we were funding the.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Surgency in Saumalia. My family spent close to what was
in my I did an accounting with my uncle, who
was our tribal chief, five to eight million dollars over
twenty thirty years, funding medicine, food, whatever the soldiers needed
to go in the bushes and topple the Socialists.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Okay, you know for.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
The ssd of party which later on formed the Puntland
State of Somalia. When Putlan was being formed, it was
being done in my father and my uncle's houses and
their friends.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
You know, that's a whole other thing. There's Somaliland, and
there's Somalia.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
There's so Maliland, There'sland, there's Rashabelle. There is a southwestern state,
there's Jubiland. There is uh Gal Mudduk Soma. There is
no Cartomo state just formed last year and there may
be more coming or maybe they will assimilate and contain
so Maliland. You have to understand was British so Malyland.

(51:36):
The British colonized it. The southern part was colonized by
the Italians. No one national superpower could take us by itself.
We are worring nation. In fact, the longest running in surgency,
second to the Vietnamese one against the Chinese and other stuff.
Is so Malis We've always been in sergeants.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
So the British, the British part of that region is
now Somaliland.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Is so Mareland and so Mareland.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Is that a country? Is that a recognized.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Regional protectorial under the British.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
But is it a recognized country right now? Is it
a un country?

Speaker 3 (52:09):
They got recognized for independence on July June twenty sixth,
nineteen sixty and June first, nineteen sixty Samalia became Southern
Somalia became recognized and on June fourth, and then what
happened is immediately both combined to call themselves the Republic
of Somalia.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Okay, So, so.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Maerland has existed for a brief period as an independent nation,
maybe three days. And what happened is after the civil
war the sn M and they faced the Jeneral side
in the eighties. Let no one lie to you. They
got killed by the Barter socialist regime by the tens
of thousands.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
This is in Somaliland.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Level Geza and these people wanted no part of this
union and they came.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
But it's a clan thing, it's it's it's tribal.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
It's tribal, and they say we want no part of it.
We want independence. It's just that thirty years is nineteen
ninety one. And here's the beautiful part. They made it work.
They've held three consecutive elections. They're democratic, they held on
to those principles.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Are they recognized now as a country? Oh, they're still
shopping around right now, just this one. So they're still
part of Somalia, but it's its own independence. It's not
recognized but different. So they're independent. They're independent.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
They have their own police, military marines, like the parliament
Upper House, by cameral, Lower House, Guurti and everything else.
They have elections for their own president. In fact, he's
coming to America under Somali passport maybe or diplomatic passport
to try to get recognition The Congress just this week
parstoral commission to investigate on the viability of it America.

(53:51):
Under Biden, the policy was simple, one United Somali because
they don't want to open up the car or worms
of basically recognizing independently facto nations drone duling colonial lines.
And when that happens, you open up a can of worms.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
In all over Africa everywhere, not.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Only all of Africa, Middle East, Asia, Europe. These lands
were basically somebody sought as a bureaucrat and drew a
line on them up in eighteen sixty five. They did
that in the Berlin Conference.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Even though there's a line on a map, they cut through.
This is crystal tribes, communities and empires on purpose to
create division.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Divide rule. It's an old artist.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
So what yours? If I understand what you're saying correctly,
Somali Land is a viable, functioning country which is seeking
it's seeking recognition, but will not be recognized because you're
saying it will open a can of worms all over
the world about these tribal divisions like the Kurds. The
Kurds in in the midd least, there are another group

(55:01):
that has a functioning government but not a country.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
But you have to understand the Exaclan is adamant. We're
not going back. We f his general side. Our city
is well demolished, We've tried this union. We're not going back.
And the Southern Somali is saying we're not letting you go.
The seat for future was right.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
There between Samaariland and the Southern Somartians and.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Now foreign powers are playing both sides because there's something and.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Which side is the Where's the United States playing? Right?

Speaker 3 (55:34):
The United States? The United States right now is the
honest broker.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Is the honest broker and the Trump.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
It's the onest broker. They're trying to figure out the
way out of this, and I'm telling you Trump adminas
doing something amazing. They don't care what your policy is,
they don't care what you're trying to do. They don't
care what your leaders are. What they care about is peace,
trade and some form of partnership.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
So no judgment, make money. Right.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Here's a transactionalist. That's why I voted and campaigned for
him because this thinkers with the radical ideologists, or we're
gonna ship the world image turn Cowbull into Washington, DC
and tan Bangdad into Oregon.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
What did they get us?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Nothing? They pissed away tillions of our dollars because they
didn't brought back our soldiers and we won't even take
care of our veterans, and they split the billions that
came out of it. I can I ask a questions
just so I know, Yeah, are you American citizen.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Now I'm an American, proudly, I'm an American fast make
America great again kind of puzzle.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
So let's make this clear, because now we're gonna pull
the rabbit out of the hat. You're actually, if I'm correct,
if I'm saying this, you're a supporter of Republican Party causes.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
A Trump guy, American Republican elephant singing, elephant fly cutting,
American reldwide and blue.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Now there's gonna be people listening.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I mean, I can't just.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Now, Muhammad, I can just see it. The people are
gonna be coming to me, and here's what they're gonna say.
Don't believe them, don't trust them.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Let me give you a little bit of background. When
the Jardis came to Isis and Salt recruiting in Minnesota,
what did I do? What did you do?

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Tell them? You sat on social media and said them,
so Mali's they're joining the jiharlist. I went to bat
against them. I came in an organization I ran for
eleven years. I shut it down called average Muhammad. You know,
I use the name average Muhammad because I wanted a
Muhammad a saw Mali to be the anti jihadi I

(57:40):
went from here to Team Book to to Tel Aviv,
and I spoke up against the Jiarli movements. Rest of
your life.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
I get that dress every day.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Bro, you got your RPG with you, oh in America
around hours, But I got askmit to Wisson.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
You're gonna see what I'm saying. Oh yeah, But what
I'm trying to tell you is this. We went to
bat So good aUI I'm the twenty twenty citizen Diplomat
by the United States States Department because I am as
good as they are in terms of defeating mind. I
reached over five hundred million people over eleven years. I've

(58:20):
been on sixty minute cbers talking down Jihadis.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
So let me ask you a question.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
I've been on the front page of Start Tribune more
times than I can count. I've been. I've been. I've
been on Washington Post, New York Times, Folk, New CNN, MSNBC,
and everything else talking down jihadists. And then people started complaining,
and they say, what about the white supremacist. So I
hooked up with former Neo Nazis, the NSM Nazi leader,
and we started making messages. I started counting the new

(58:46):
Nazis and the clowns. Mut come up to me and
they say, what about the clowns? And I say, I
hooked up with former clownsmen and we went after the clownsmen.
And then the anti sem might Semitic people come to me,
the people from the tribe and the same Mohammed, we
have a rising antisemtency. I said, I see it, and
we started going after the antissement and the racist people.
Black people come to me in the same hem. You're

(59:07):
fighting for everybody, what about us? And I went against
the racists?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Why do you do that? The American way of life? Okay,
So I want to just make sure everybody is understanding
what I want to share. What I'm understanding. You're a
supporter of Donald Trump. Oh yeah, you're a supporter of
Republican causes. You're anti any kind of discrimination that you

(59:37):
see wherever you see it, starting with terrorism, with extremism,
any kind of extremism you think is no good.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Your work has never solved any problem.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
That's a saying from my Antlo, a woman who I
shared the same award with Global Tized USA Citizen Diplomat
again twenty eighteen and National Privilege. I share the same
award as my Andela Poort activists that I'm very proud of,
more than the State Department one. You have an award

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that Maya Angelo had.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
I'm buzza doesn't. Senate does have them. I'm one of them,
but I'm just on average.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Muhammad.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
I don't claim to be anybody but nobody. I will
never run for anything, and I don't care for much.
All I care about is peace, trade and some form
of partnership. That's it. That has been my premise, bring
people together. If you look at the Torah, the Tanach,
if you look at the Bible, if you look at
the Rand, there's one fundamental teaching love one another.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Then let me just let me first of all, let
me just say that in all of these books, there's
lots of things people pick at, but what matters is
how people live their life. So what you're living your
life is to create a unity. Tell me what is
going on in the Somalian community here in Minnesota. Take help,

(01:00:59):
my listeners, viewers, understand your perception of your of this
East African community here in Minnesota. What's going on with it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Well, we've come, we've come of age. We've come of
age and Unfortunately that ages they're going back to. Some
are taking us back to socialism?

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Is that in their DNA? Also, No, we're business traders,
we are warriors, we are poets, we're everything, but socialists.
So why are they doing this? Because this is arkansac
the money, money and control. You have to understand Somalies
make up only five percent voting bloke in Minnesota. You

(01:01:44):
can't win elections with five percent. Who is the other
ninety five percent? Is the question people don't want to answer.
But black Muslim immigrants makes a good scape. Good We
found out messy in America with him Katie. Asking African Americans,
they'll tell you. Usk the Hispanics, they'll tell you us,
the Asians, they'll tell you. Ask the Jews, they'll tell

(01:02:05):
you Ask the Catholics. They'll tell you. Nobody gets it
ease in this country. The Native American. Don't even ask them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
You know it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
You're bringing up a very provocative It's not a provocative
it's the fact. No, no, no, it's provocative because you know
there's a thing in the New Testament. You know, don't
point out the cinder in someone else's eye when you
got a log in your own eye. Work on your
own problem. And here in Minnesota, and this is another
big part of the podcast, we have a prevailing culture

(01:02:39):
here in Minnesota. What you're saying is blame it on
the Somalis, replaces, blame it on the Jews, blame it
on this group. But it's the prevailing you're saying, it's
the ninety five percent. They need to look at themselves.
Is they have to understand correctly what.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
What I'm saying is. For example, Amr Fhatai is running, okay,
is openly as a socialist. M'm dani is running in
New York, openly as a socialist. Okay, we've seen that.
Talk to the ho monk they live next to Cambodia,
Tell them what happened. Ask them the old timers what
did they see with the socialism there. Talk to the

(01:03:16):
East Germans who came running when the war went down
into America, you know, ask them what was socials.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
But the monks, the monks are all a line with
the Democrat party here in Minnesota. Again because of what reason.
Money money.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
You have to understand money. Democrats spend money, socially spend money.
Your sorto spends money. The Republicans they stay in the community.
We have BPO use out here called basic political organizing
units within every particular party. The Democras organized and they're
organized with money. The Republican ones forgot the word organizing.

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They're not in the communities. Republicans don't even ask Somalists
for voters.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
I am, that's why you're here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
I know. But Republican Party traditionally does not even ask
black people for voters.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
That's why we have ask his paric voters until Trump
came alone and changed the dynamics. Now we can change
the dynamic ask.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
But they would send consultants, take a picture with you
and say we did our outreach. But when you talk
about asking people for voters, is to know the difference
between a Samosa and Asambusa and Tamalila Papusa. These folks
here in the country clubs and the BPOU and the organizations.
I don't think they have a crew, and I don't

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want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Well, I know that they're afraid of these African community.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
That's the thing fear because they've been defined again by
who by the Democrats. Now last election, we campaigned as
Republican people of color for Trump. Let me tell you
what the result was two to one. Imagine the voted
for Trump of a Kamala Harris. The Somali community did
in Minnesota start to bune wrote about it and start

(01:04:59):
to bune in those camaras. Why would they write about
it because the facts were clear. I can show you
the voting records.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
So you're saying, if you're a Republican Party officer and
you're listening to this podcast, I'm gonna let Mohammad say
this one more time in his own inimitable style, because
we got a lot I probably have. I mean, this
podcast is really consumed by a lot of Republican Party activists.
They come here. Some of them like to come here

(01:05:27):
just to hate me, Okay, they just like to watch
it to hate me and some of them and some
of them are here because we have a movement in
the party to change the party, to make it a
party that's more responsive to the citizens or as they
say on the Democrat side, a party of the people.
That's what we want. And what what happened to the
Somali community in this last I want to hear it

(01:05:49):
one more time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Oh will you can go to r poc R as
in Robert P. People all of color, Republican people of
color that are, and you'll find the articles there, and
you'll find our thinking there. What I'm trying to tell
you is, in the last election, due to our efforts,
we got zero dollars from the Republican Party, zero dollars

(01:06:14):
from the Republican dollars. The only people who helped us
was a few brave, brave House representatives in the House
of Minnesota and as senators here by camera, the camera
House McCarran, Walter Hudson, and a few others who came
out who helped us, who basically organized us, and we

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organized ourselves the Somali community seven days before the election
were endorsed it. Not only did we reach did I
reach the Somali community here, Not only were we convassing
and campaigning on our own lie because we actually believe
in this guy called Trump, because we saw him as
an agent of chaos to the order. He was the

(01:06:58):
mountains We sent to them because we didn't like the
way the country was going. We didn't like our education system,
we didn't like the into conductor nation work ideology scares
as as people of faith, we have nothing against.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Them, but we wanted our way out say this, This
is very important to me personally. Walk ideology scared us,
scares people of I mean, we voted for a guy
who traveled banned us the first administration, and we knew
it's going to travel band us the second time two
to one because the other side scanned us. The issue

(01:07:33):
of faith, faith is in our DNA, that's number one. Look, man,
it is simple for us. It's dulk country. My country
is America. The religion, my religion is Islam, nacal culture,
trade of warriors, capitalists, local economic means, that's it. Self government.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
That's how cool.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Self governance, We don't need government, self governance, make your
own money, make your own money, defend yourself, defend yourself.
Relationship between man and God and country. Country has to
be there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
To that flag, very white and bruno. That's our country now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Because American, because that government is supposed to defend those
values and actually the history of this country in our constitution,
the things you just said, economic freedom, self governance, self preservation,
self protection, self defense, those are all things guaranteed to
us and our constitution. No wonder you like America.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Oh No, seventeen seventy six, that was the most radical
thing they ever did on this planet. Before then, it
was either livander a king, live under theocrast live under
our system. But until then, sovereignty came to we the people.
That's why that document they've tried to change it for
two hundred and fifty years on this other site nearly

(01:08:59):
succeeded in the administration calling the sense and free speech.
The first thing we got us, all right, was free speech,
right after they used their guns to kick out a
king who told them to shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
I would like to just Tanner, you got lots of
clips here, young man. Yeah, you got a lot of
a lot of material. Because what we want to do
is what I want to do. Why I had you
in see now. Of course we didn't talk beforehand, so
I didn't know what you were going to say. But
I had a suspicion that because I know something about

(01:09:36):
East Africa and I know something about the way people
think about Theast Africans. What has to change is the
people that are repressing these The Africans need to look
at It's two to one for Trump, their allies.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Most voted for protests vote because of Gaza. But at
the end of the day, we beat Kamalajas, who spent
close to fifty million in the state.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Whereas the Somalian community relative to the Israel Gaza issue,
how is that perceived?

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Oh, that's simple. We are so Malags for free Palestine.
But the thing is I am for free Palestine, but
without antisemitism. Man, keep that are of the Wayman hate
has never solved the problem. And how when we talk
about free Palestine. Let's I wrote a chapter about this

(01:10:23):
about the city of Jerusalem in my new book called
Dissidence in America. And the reason why I wrote three
thousand years of history of just the city Jerusalem was
because this issue is not that simple. It runs through
the fourth line of three major religions of half the
population of this planet, Christian, Muslims and Jews. If you

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look at Zionism, it means going back home. That's what
Zionism means. And if you look at the word nakba,
it means losing a home. Bottom line, the Jewel Arab
are saying the same thing home and we're say in peace,
I'm the peace side of America. We say peace Salam shalam.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Ascle i'm awaicam find it make it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
But killing each other is not a solution, and more
importantly is tearing us appeer in America. And we don't
want that mess here. We're tired of it, man, We're
just seeking tired of it. Every cycle, you guys start
killing each other. We at each other throats out here,
choosing which side we're going to be all we refuse
to do that normal some of us. And we say
to the Jews, and we say to the Palastinis. And

(01:11:35):
I'm working with Israeli peace activists and Palastinian peace activists
today as I'm speaking to you, I'm setting them up
to talk peace.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
No, you bring them here.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
No, they're in Israel.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Oh they're in Israel. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
I'm organizing them and I've been working with them for
the last ten years. I trained them in the Worlds
of Peace. And we tell them, here's a formula, here's
a curriculum, here's a process. Let me teach you, let
me train you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Good luck. So this Somali community is two to one
for Trump once, a two state solution to this problem
in Israel without the anti Semitism. It's not focused on
the Jews. It's a political issue, but very complicated because
it is the intersection of three religions aspirations, so you

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recognize the complexity of the issue.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
I mean the Holy Sepulchers, they're a block for away
from the Western War, and on top of the Western
wall is Alaxa. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
That's great. That's three major religions who each says that's
our city. Historically, from the Crusades to the Ottoman You
can go back King David one thousand, see Solomon before that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Come on, man, this is a issue that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Is deep, deep, deep.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
We need the elites, the powerful, and the people who
can do something about it to fix it. We the
people are exhausting.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Ourselves in passions with unhete, with the hatred, the hate
because of antisemitism.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Islamophobeacomes about just like that. So when you're anti Semitic,
the jude is the jew that guess what, you just
lit the fire for anti Islam. And because anti Islam
comes and anti Semetism is happening, the Christians come to
defend the Jews. And that has been historical because Islam

(01:13:37):
is the other Gudeo. Christian values align more than Islamic values.
So guess what anti Christianity comes about Ah, all the
others come out. The racism, the antiology btqi I mean
hate becomes known.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
So then the point becomes then the relationship between the
chasing the Christians causing alliance between the Islamic and the communists.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
And what happens is the seeds for wars is already planted.
The wars are coming, and you're asking the elites to
solve this. They have to be the elites because we
come on, people are doing the dying. I don't care
what you think. Tiffi Biba was kidnapped on October seventh,
a child less than two years old man and then
guess what they killed him and then the body they

(01:14:25):
paraded him before they handed him back to his family.
And how many kids do they are dying and hummed
in Gaza today right now? At some point your mind,
we'll see enough, man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
But we can't depend on the elites because they're the
ones profiting and set the thing up for their own benefit.
With all this comf do you see the elites moving
to solve this? Trump might Trump is trying to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Is the agent of case. We send him there, throw
the monkey reation to him. Because the uniparty system of
the Democrats and Republicans profit of this process, the profit
of the boss. It's a vampi economic model with them.
Our flesh and blood across the planet feeds them in profits.

(01:15:15):
That's not right to ourselves. Doesn't he sound a little
bit like the Professor Parent podcast? Yeah, I was. I
was sitting here and thinking that exact thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Actually, see, we're not all alone, No, we find we
find our allies wherever we can find them.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
So what we're trying to do is we're trying to
walk away from that model.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
And create a new well being model for the health
and we thing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
We're trying to do. Why do you think they're fighting
him too, Tannail? Because he changed the game.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
He's trying to change the game now. It's very hard,
lots of resistance. It's a diction man, It's like a
heroin junkie. We used to one of fifty billion going
out every year somehow somewhere somewhere for war means for
the last thirty to forty years, been too all lately,

(01:16:02):
we never stopped having war exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
It's very hard because of the position we in and
this unfortunately, even though I'm the peace side, and Trump
shouts peace through strength. I'm the peace side. I see
the strength side because I see the Chinese, the Russians,
the Iranians and what they're doing. They also have the
military industrial complex.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Even the hoot.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
You have a military industrial complex that can shop forty
percent of the shipping in the planet with missiles hypersonic ones.
Now a tribal outfit, a tribal outfit can do that.
What do you think the Chinese can do? So we
need these people. We can't do without them, the military
industrial complex. We need them. We need them because Theodore

(01:16:50):
Roosevelt taught us carry a big stick. We want to
have the biggest balldy stick in the planet. But we
need to be learned how to talk silently.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Man. We don't talk silently everything man. So what you're
saying is we have to have the means to defend ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
No doubt about it. I'm a tibal guy, but we.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Don't need to be going over to our neighbors and
plundering their village, smash and grub, which is what the
business model is. Pretty much.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
That's what what Trump is trying to change with tariffs,
with reciprocal trade, with everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
He's a trader he's a businessman.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
He's a trader to their class. We sent him there
for that purpose. We didn't want him to go play
nice with them. We sent him there to tear him down.
And he's trying and they're fighting back big time. Think
about this. Cambodia Thailand, last couple of weeks at a war.
What happened?

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
I think the Chinese sent the Cambodians to tack the ties. Yeah,
but what happened? Trump stopped it? How he promised them
both a trade deal if they sat down and wanted
to do business.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Normally would sell both side guns.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
And you know what, he took Cambodia, which was going
to be thirty six per it was forty nine percent,
and what they made a deal at thirty six and
when they sat down, both Thailand and Cambodi end up nineteen.
He actually followed through on his promise, if you guys
stop fighting, we're gonna do a deal, and he did
the deal.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Israel Iran, what happened Israel America says, you can't have
a nuclear whipol makes sense, you're going to point it at.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Us, and they sent this just sense, right, You don't
have to be pro Iran you know, pro Israel, pro America.
If you live in Minnesota, you don't want a nuclear
whipon point, don't you. It's that simple man state craft. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
I am sympathy with the Iranian people. I don't like
the Iatulus because ever since they came to power they've
been revolutionary and the exporting the nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Do you think that the people of Iran can remove
the mulas.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
That's none of our business. Let them do them do
their own. We care about is peace, trade and some
form of partnership. What you do with yourselves none of
our business.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
You know. Trump went into Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
They are bombing Arabs. We got three point two tillion
dollars from the Arabs. We're not spending trillions in Warnow.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
But Trump went into into Read and they had all
the Islamic leaders there, and he stood up and he said,
I'm not here to tell you what to do. I
just want to do business. None of our business. Where
America went wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Washington said America should be careful of foreign entanglements. When
we start thinking that we can turn Tehran into Washington
d C. We messed up. Terehran is Tehran and DC
is DC. We are Americans. Minnesota is Minnesota. We're nothing
like us. The greatest state in America is Minnesota. And

(01:19:47):
I'll argue with you on that one, and I'll beat
you with it logic of it. The best state in
America and the greatest country in the freest country in
the world is America. Because are so Malima can come
in tottiously and speak American. Ron Reagan told us that.
He said, you can't be a Frenchman, you can't be

(01:20:07):
on it onion, you can't be a Russian, but you
can call yourself an American.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
That's what my grandmother told me to.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
Do, and that's what your grandmother Toldian. That's what I'm
teaching my children.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
So tell me about in a few minutes we have left.
Because it's such a big subject, I would like to
invite you back again. What about this omarfa Ta thing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Just play the video.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Let's play the video.

Speaker 5 (01:20:29):
They may have what seems like unlimitted money, They may
have a bunch of glossy tailers that would be sent out,
but they don't have the people. And that was really
evident at the convention. The mayor failed to get even
a third of the delegation. Our city is done with
the broken promises, done with politics as usual, and so
we've built a really broad coalition of working class people, teachers,

(01:20:53):
kinds of writers, young folks, immigrants, and just longtime deflas
also that are just fed up with the system. Throughout
this campaign, Mayor Fry has been calling our ideas extreme
or too radical. But a lot of the ideas that
were deemed extreme or too radical, I've gotten done at

(01:21:13):
the same level. All these progressive ideas that I've been
known for to get passed, I passed with Republican support also,
so these have been bipartisan bills. So if we're able
to get Republicans on board, then I think that it's
a shame that we have a city that's all democratic,
that has a mare that has been blocking that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Kind of progress.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Let me break down the video for you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Okay, he just told his recipes, all right, organizing, organizing,
organizing without money. He's doing it same when we're doing
it as a Republican people of color. But the Republican Party.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Is building a coalition. Are we building a coalition on
a Republican site? You're busy pushing us to the site
without us. You can't win Minnesota. Period. Let me repeat
that without people of color voting, Republican imagines which slump
is bringing to the party and even we're going to
exceed it. If we collaborate and coordinate ourselves, you can

(01:22:08):
win Minnesota. And I'll give you a factor. Go to
the Secretary of State. Check the voter rolls. Check who
brought you within a five point margin of taking this state.
Break down racial identities.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Okay, and you will learn something.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
We turned eighty four percent. There's eighty seven counties in Minnesota.
We turned eighty four counties red. Out of Minnesota, four
counties remained blue, Ramsey and Nock hennepin the quarter counties.
And just with those four counties, Lemocas took control of

(01:22:43):
the state. The governors, theirs. We have a divided government
in a bi cameral house. We took over the house,
but the cell.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
It is time. Well, I'm going to tell you that
this is a big thing of what I'm doing. That's
why I'm working with Royce. I want to work in
that urban community and organize that community. Let me ask
you a question.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
So we established Republican people of Color. We got tired
of waiting for the GOP. We're going to the RNC.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Do you think Omar Fata is going to win this election?

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Don't care. That's a democal issue, Jacko Frey Omarfran. Bottom
line one is far left, the other socialist. You have
to understand Minneapolis has transformed the Democrats in a minority
is progressive socialists and some outright communists.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Now, if Omar Fatah was to win, would that help
Republican party politics in the city? If we organized.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Well, Minneapolis is a blue city. Republicans, we want need
to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
I want you to tell me what's going on there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Republicans don't stand a chance based on the fact that
we're not organizing, organizing, organizing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
But if we organized in the city needs three things.
Go ahead, volunteers, okay, volunteers if.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
You can't volunteer, We got the ideas, the people are there.
And the third thing that is missing is money.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Volunteers, ideas and money.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Yeah, the ideas we have and more importantly, the Republicans
we're putting up are carpet buggers. Let's let's let me
let me give you an example. Can you play the
video for enhance please.

Speaker 6 (01:24:25):
A lot of conservatives in particular, would say that the
rise in Islamophobia is the result a lot of hate,
but a fear, A legitimate fear, they say, of quote
unquote Jadist terrorism, whether it's Fort Hood or Sam Bernardino
or the recent truck attack in New York. What do
you say to them?

Speaker 7 (01:24:42):
I would say, our country should be more fearful of
white man across our country because they are actually cassing
most of the deaths within this country. And so if
fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe,

(01:25:03):
Americans safe inside of this country, we should be profiling, monitoring,
and uh and and creating policies to fight the radicalization
of white men.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Identity politics.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Okay, all they got divide the people, divide and rule you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
So many white people hate you. They're calling jihartists. No,
they're not calling us the artists. They're calling the radical
elements within our community the artists. And there's a statistical
factor it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
And you actually risked your life to work against those
radical alims because you're.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Not calling us so many community JI artists. Of course,
they are big gotten races on the other side who
like to paint the entire community as the artists. Or
as foreigners, and now the current trending topic is deport
them all. We are Americans. We aren't going nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Men.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
We like it here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
I like having you. It's nice to you, like to.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Hear man and come and get us. You know what
I mean if you're turning your point plank, because at
the end of the day, we are normals and pastoralists
will keep it moving. If Trump wants us deported, which
he doesn't want because he likes us voting for him.
Republicans like us voting for them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
If they wake up here in this state. The hierarchy
of the state party is ignoring. From what I'm hearing
you say, two to one in this community voted for Trump,
yet the party itself gave no money other than a
few elected officials who you named and a few MAGA activists.
It is maga coming to us regularly. Establishment Republicans no way.

(01:26:43):
They put us at ten feet.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
They want to take pictures with us, but our issues
is never on the table. And because our issues are
not on the table, we look at them and the
people we are representing and are stupid. They know that
what we've taken took us live in and they're practically
in the living room.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Well, let me get in free rein to just finish
the podcast as a preludic welcoming you back, if you'll come.
What are the issues of the community, What are the
most important issues?

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Number one, we want to opt out of this work ideology.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Now you want to opt out of the walk. You
don't want your schools, you don't want your children. You
want school choice. You want school choice.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
We want to run our own schools. Bring it back
to local community. We want our taxes to be used
by us, the money to come back locally to the
state of Minnesota at the county level. We want to
open up our own schools. Not only us, the African American,
the Hispanic American, and the Native American and the Asian Americans.
All of us are coalitions. My Republican people of Color

(01:27:53):
is a coalition across the board. I'm not here as
a Somali, I'm here as an American.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Okay, So no one is the education.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
We gotta take back the education because these people are
educated here in Omar Omar Fata educated they think socialism
or communism is cool. Something went wrong with the people
an educational system and guess what even if you blame
the somatic community bringing them out to get them elected.
We make up only five percent of the electorate. Who's

(01:28:21):
the other ninety five percent voting for them? They came
through the same educational system. Okay, so you want to
change those are as a white liberal women, college educated
white men, some minorities. But more importantly, this guy, this
guy should take This guy is like the professor podcast
Central because another one of our themes is our elite

(01:28:42):
universities and our educational system sucks and needs to be changed.
And what your theory is, We don't want to change.
You don't want to change it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
You just you can keep your system. We just want
to keep ours. We want we want, we want to divorce,
yet you keep yours.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Welcome, We want to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
We want to divorce.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Okay, we want school you know, stopping school choice. Team moulds.
So we need a new government Minnesota. Randy Coils is running,
Parish is running, Kendrick is running. So is a bunch
of good people running. You know, Scott Scott Scott is running,
Scott Jensen is running again. Let the marbles sort themselves out.

(01:29:20):
Our issues we want to put on the table is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
School choice what's number two. Number two is we're done
with the handout programs. They don't help our community. You
don't want we don't want handouts.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
We want to hand up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Okay, So number one, we want.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
More business, We want more access to resources. Less than
seven percent of the money floating in these states belongs
to people of color. We are at the bottom of
the index. You don't want housing, you know, we are
at the bottom of index in healthcare. And you know
why not because we know trying with hand out programs
they failed, They have failed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
You're looking at the result in work. Could have been
a good idea failed time for something. There exclaime a
concept of why we are Republicans. We are big minds,
small hearts. They are big hearts, small minds.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Okay, I like that. Let me explain that to you again.
They are big hearts. They want to do everything for everybody,
provide everything for everybody. Because there's a need. You have
to be pride not to see it. There's a need.
Housing issues, healthcare issues. The parties garrow in America. We

(01:30:34):
found these problems here. We didn't create it as Somalists,
but people of color didn't created and the white folks
didn't created it just happened to be.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
The way way fout natural it was. We inherited it.
Now we can either fix it or maintain it. And
it's not working.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
So with this big heart Democrats, socialist, progressives and communists,
they say we'll do it all. The government, it will
do it all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Failure.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Reagum taught us the most dangerous thing in the English
world is what you know the court.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
I'm from the government. I'm here to help you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
You've seen the government help doesn't work. We're poorer.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
You don't want to hand out, you want to hand up.
We are poorer period. Okay, So you want to do
your own education.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
We want to do own education. We want educate our kids.
You want to have revolution is coming and we want
to teach science, technology, engineering.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Much keep that walk stuff out of the way. You
want to take a business approach to elevating the community.
We want to get the contracts. We want coporate America.
Not to talk about it, but be about it. We
want not distribution of wealth, we want to earn it.

(01:31:50):
We want to earn your business. But you got to
open up the doors and not through hand out problems.
We want to hand up one more issue. The third issue?
Is there a third one?

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
The third issue is crime.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Boy, this guy sounds Republican to the bone.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
To the bone, it affects our livability issue. You defunded
the police. You progressive socialists and Democrats, not the Democrats.
I love democrats. They're common sense people. The progressive socialists
and the communist wing and the Mamdani people. They're all
about socialism. It's about state, centralized control, more government.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
A way to make money for a small group of people.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
Pretty much, right, Look, man, play the play the Mumbdana video.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
My platform is that every single person should have housed.
And I think, faced with these two options, the system,
the system has hundreds of thousands of people unhoused right
for for what? And if if there was any system
that could guarantee each person housing, whether you called the
abolition of private property or you call it, you know,

(01:33:01):
just a state wide housing guarantee, it is preferable to
what is going on right now. And I think that
people try and play like gotcha games about these kinds
of things, and it's like, look, I care more about
whether somebody has a home.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
What a heart, big heart, big heart?

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Small minds?

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
You know we have a saying, did you hear this one?
If you're not a liberal when you're young, you don't
have a heart. But if you're not a conservative when
you're older, you don't have a brain. Same idea, same idea.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Now we are small hearted people. We see, yes, the
hedge funds are buying up all the houses, and the
Chinese is even spending fourteen billion dollars buying houses. They
are basically kicking out the millennials from the housing market
and they can't start families. We know that. Anybody knows
that who looks at the housing market, they're edging out,

(01:33:55):
buying out, and there tying to get into rentals. Mortgage
is half the price of a rent now in America,
minimum wage in America anywhere, I don't care what state
you live in. If you work forty hours, you cannot
follo a two bedroom apartment anyway. In America, there's a problem,

(01:34:16):
and this problem, if you look at it is people
of color who are the bottom fill up the indexes.
Are not only people of color, working class white people.
We're all in the same boat. It ain't about color
no more so. It's schooling. Education is the fundamental pillar
to change this. Yes, no more handouts doesn't work. No,
we need some handouts. Hands out there very young and

(01:34:39):
the very old in between them, we say, and Donald
Reagan say, the best social program is aver.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Go ahead, a job there, you go fantastic, We'll get
a job. And the final thing with yourself, by your
flip flops or your boots or whatever you're wearing, even
if your barefoot work, do something work. And the final
one is the housing issue.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Using issue, Let's talk about the housing issue.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Which is crime.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
If I give you a public housing. Basically, what this
brother is saying is is a big heart. He's saying,
we're gonna build projects and we're gonna start selling them.
Are housing people, nothing bad with it, but we people
of color living projects. We call them ghttos. The Spanish

(01:35:26):
call them barrios, the Asians call him Chinatown. Did Jews
call them status?

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
White folks call him telebus. You know what I'm saying.
That's the vision he was for us. No most a bubbles.
Some of us can escape it. No more, everything will
be ghetarized. We don't want projects across America. We've seen that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
We want to be like the Jefferson's moving on you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
There's four issues we go. We got we got school schooling.
Number one, think about housing.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
You spend a family with young kids eighteen to ten
years because that kid gotta till eighteen before they get
off the system and they kicked out.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Yes, that amount of money can be used to buy
somebody a house as a down payment. Basically the purpose
the money. And guess what, a homeowner has a stake
in the game, and they become taxpayers, not tax dependent.
All they gotta do is maintain their rent. So what
do you think they will do. They're going to work,

(01:36:30):
and then what do you think they're going to do
about the neighborhood. They're going to want it to be
as safe and as clean as.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Pass because they're going to live there, committed for how
many years.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
For the rest of their lives.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
And you know what, who is the best person who's
an ally of the police department when there's riff RAFs
outside their neighborhood?

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
A homeowner?

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
Back the brew Okay, now, Muhammed, I gotta wind it
up here because it''s time to stop today. But I
want to invite you back because you're full roaded endorsement
of Republican values. I want everybody in the party that's
watching this to get this under your belt. Watch the

(01:37:09):
podcast two times. Look at these allies that we have
that quite frankly, were none, and that's got to stop.
We need winning network. Invite us. I'm good for the talk.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
They're fantastic. I've been having a great time listening to you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Many great. We need volunteers, ideas and money. We need
or lose, just keep losing the money. Somebody get this
to alex Plekish. Let's get organized. In CD five and
CD four. We got the people. I bit, you've got

(01:37:51):
the volunteers, you got the ideas. You need more volunteers
and money, and let's get into the city and make
something happen. Is that what we're working on here.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
Not only this city, Nationally, We're going to New York.
Socialist is running. Come on, man, pictures must come out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
Bahamas, capitalist mach It's well warrior traders, capitalists.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
We want peace, some form of trade and partnership. We
are peace through strength on the peace side.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
Salamico, solemnly, salam thank you, thank you for coming in.
Thank you, very nice to meet you. It's great. You're
welcome back here. I'm going to invite you back soon.
All history next time. Just want to talk African history.
So I'm going to study before you come back, so
I'm a better partner in the conversation. Tanner, thanks so

(01:38:41):
much for coming in this morning. Of course, it's great everyone.
Thank you. We'll see you again, God willing on Thursday night.
God bless you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
Thank you very much, sir, God bless the USA.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
Have a good night, everybody.

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