October 27, 2025 • 67 mins
Crissleger an inspiring producer who has proved to himself and the industry why he should always be in the room. Kisha Gulley la Panameña from Arizona putting on for the culture. These are their stories. My thoughts on My Mayor (I'm in Los Angeles) NYC Mayoral Candidate Zohran Mamdani, Trump destroying the East Wing And Keke Palmer's Southern Fried Rice.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Me, Scotra Son Sonic.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I love how many producers I've had on the show
this far, nes La Mene Mara, Full Harmony, Gromola, Echis,
Jeremi Ayala, and I have a few more up my sleeve.
Fucke Cepan. Today's guest is Chris Ledgard, a producer based
in Miami who's producing some of the hottest tracks in
(00:24):
trap and reggaeton and even in the Anglo market. I
don't think I can sing anything more without spoiling the interview,
so I'll leave that there, and I'll definitely share my
thoughts after with some la la la, including some hot
takes on what's going on in the world right now.
I want to get into why Mom Donnie is my
mayor although I'm residing in Los Angeles, the mess of
(00:48):
Trump destroying the White House in.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
The physical sense.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
We already know he's messing it up in the ideological sense,
but the physical sense is much too unpacked, So let's
get into it. Washington now being owned by Basos. As
a journalist, this gives me the ack and its direct
tie to the defense of this reconstruction quote unquote of
the White House. Gavin Newsom, the Governor of California saying
(01:14):
anti woke is anti black. It's great and all, but
it's a symptom of a larger endemic. I'll get into that.
And Kiki Palmer Southern fried Rice. I have some thoughts
and I'm gonna share them with you. And this week's
Rappidito with Kisha Gully, an amazing Panamenya mother advocate, I
prima Mia.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
She's my Internet primayo.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
She's giving a refreshing take on in Hanio and what
she likes to see more of.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
That's this week.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Like every week, it's a vibe Aki and reggaetonata. Yeah
so far, Hantelena you said, Vivos Cleveland and stuff like
(02:00):
shout out to them.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I'm excited that mine flow Spanglish with this.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'm excited to be interviewing a good friend of mine,
none other than.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Thank you so much for being here, Chris.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Thank you so much, of course, of course, Oh my god,
I'm excited to talk with you because I honestly love
your story. I love the way that you, you know,
represent yourself is what attracted me so much. You guys,
I'm in the studio, what hair if I'll be honest
and like I would have it no other way and
I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Say that lightly and so so yeah, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm over here, like where to begin first and foremal
so again, I'm in love with your story, so like,
let's start there. You are a producer, but it wasn't
always that way. You started off as an artist, So
talk to me about that, like that transition. How did
you decide that you wanted to make music? You ended
up creating music and then you made that transition only
(03:00):
over into production. Tell me more about that story.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So I really started producing started, I want to say
it was like around twenty seven months okay beginning, Yeah,
something started producing, but it was quick before I found myself.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I was writing for somebody that paid me to make
a so own for them, okay, and engineer that was
there at the time, but.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
You said you care, okay, and I was like, and
I ended up doing it.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Six months after that, I ended up doing my first
EP and then you're gonna had it out with the
even when the more consistent with.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
It, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
And I met a lot of a lot of cool
people through it. I performed at the time, I opened
up for Bad Bunny, my oh cool.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I gained a lot of experience being an artist and
then I'm now fully back into production only.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay, started why if we're opening for those that why? Why?
Why mam that transition? I know the reason, but.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
It was my first love, to be honest with you,
it was my first love production.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I love being in the studio and I'm just recording
artists kind of coaching them throughout the whole song writing
as well. And it's been more I've forgotten more opportunities.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Coming back to the production, Okay, if it has to
get down to ye, like, for example, there's a lot
of people hearing this and the like the music industry
is a big question mark, you know, so like opportunities
like what.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
So I've recently gotten everything I've been in. Man, I've
been here for three months. It's been amazing. Everything I
switched over to only production, I was able to push
some songs for Playing next Door and the new album
of Drinking Them Okay. Yeah, So that was one of
the reasons where a lot of doors was just opening
so fast, and it was like, let me just just
(04:58):
focus more on this thing that's working rather than just
kind of like just keep doing something that that wasn't working,
but it was just taking a little longer.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Right of course.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, because the competition. It's not that it's easier for
say on the production side, but it is easier per
se in that Yeah, because you're not in the spotlight.
You're not like, you know, competing for that spotlight, like
whether people want to accept it or not, like it
is a spotlight competition if you want to be like
a recording artist. So kudos to you for like choosing
the past. You know, it's not like you're like, oh no,
(05:27):
it was horrible. It's just you know, you're trying to
make be business savvy.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, and so I appreciate that, you know, because fast.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And no sea. So everything's been great, no complains at.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
All, and you're not only produced and I don't let's
take it a step back or it's like you've also
like doabbled in like the Anglo market, so like.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
What what does that look like?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
That was amazing? So I was in the Anglo market.
Very good.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
The R and b uh trap drill regards like Tyler yahweh,
Danny Towers, White Fire's Funeral, Saint Ville just.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Ane okay, good shit and okay because oh my god.
You know me, I'm in the Latin space, and there's
always like Latin versus Angle, Anglo versus Latin.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Get that vegle, like which.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Would you say is it's not even like I want
to ask which is easier like English or Spanish?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But really the easy is not even.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
A question because work is work, right, Yeah, So I
guess what I do want to ask instead is like
how do the dynamics compare?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That I will ask the dynamic in the studio with artists, yeah,
like you know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
As a producer, you have certain business goals, like if
you're working with like an Anglo artist versus.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
With Latin, how does that compare or does it at all?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
It's a little different, I must speak creatively, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It's a little different because everybody got their own different styles.
But when it comes to the I want to say,
like the American market working there is.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
A lot of.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
There's a lot of understanding when it comes to like
working in a collaborative group, you know, rather than I
want to say in the Spanish I've run.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Into like not all the time, but it's a little
tiny more egotistic on that sense of the word.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
When you're in rooms with different people and they have
whatever their stripes or whatever, maybe they work or whoever.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
It's a little bit more of that way.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I feel like it was a little more collective in
the American more a little bit more comsive.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
But maybe it was just the room that I was
at the time.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
But Latin, oh yeah, well that's an open minded way
to think about it. And of course, like on a
bigger scale and sense of things, right, this whole Anglo
versus Latin. It also comes down to dollars. It is
no secret that like Latin at this point in time
has portraying like Genera did a billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
And I don't say that like okay, like as a
hater my ether or anything negative. Like a billion is
a big deal, right, And.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Also you know, in regards to competition, in my opinion,
there's a lot of catching up to do in regards
to Anglo because jay Z and Beyonce I say it
all the time at this point, so I'm gonna put
together equip with me singing it like six different times
in six different places. But like jay Z and Beyonce
for example, are worth more than two and a half
billion dollars latin just a mass of billion in revenue,
(08:33):
the sources ready for anyone who want to check me.
And so you know, it's just it's interesting because it's growing.
I often wonder where if I get Don't would be,
Like now I'm rambling right now. I often wonder what
I get don would be if it got more.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Support earlier, because you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Because like for a very long time, it was like, oh,
you know, it's a phase, or it's not music that
those people do, or but I have to ask it
so much waste of time, you know, Like it's like
it's something that I know as a historian, I'm like like,
for like ten years, maybe fifteen, reggaeton didn't just have
(09:13):
to like you know, compete within it of itself in
regards to like evolving creatively, but in regards to the
commercial support it was going to receive, it was a
lot of like why should we put down a budget.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
For something that's gonna fade out?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And then today here we are, you know, latinos are
in the super Bowl, you know, handlining Corchella.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
You know, like it's it's something that people want, it's
something that we've always wanted. But now it's respected, you know,
and so yeah, I'm going back to my point.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I often wonder, like how farther how much father would
we be if we didn't have to waste time doing
all that shit? And I will need that question to you.
I'll leave you out of it as my old speculation. Yeah,
how much billions for a I don't know?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Goodness, twenty you know twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Better, but I'll say no saying what I do want
to ask you because you're a producer, are you a
fruity person or are you a.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Pro tools person? That's okay, Yeah, I'm both, okay, I'm both.
When I make my instrumentals and make them fruity okay,
and then when I got to record vocals or whatever
I do, any other additionals go to protos.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I get that a lot from a lot of pros.
Why what is it? Is it just a setup for
fruity or what? Like protos just make it more easier?
What's up?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It's only for you know, like fruity is more.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I've been on it for so long and I'm fast
at it, so it's more like I like it for
my drums and my instrumentals, and.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Then proo mester around vocals and stuff like that and
pro tools better, there's different work flows, noferends at the
end of the day's preference.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Okay cool, And also instrumentals like like it's part of
like your process.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, okay, one of those keyboard what else?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
So you use the keyboard and I use a lot
of like synthesizers, like whoever you want to do like
a either taglone winn or artists and perform I camplete.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
The scenes for them.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And what would you say to anyone who's like, oh,
that's something I.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Get all the time.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
But you know, everybody, I feel like it's adapting to
a lot of things. Now we have AI if we
want to move like from now we have a before
we had the pro.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Tools, and they used to make it before they use
pro tools.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Back in the day, it was more like more analog,
you know, so everybody you gotta adjust at some point,
everybody got to adjust them.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I don't feel like there's a right way to make music.
It's just creation is a creation.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
This is more like about energy and you know, in
my opinion, it's more like this isn't better if you
use a sample, if you don't use a sample. You
created a whole idea out of that sample, yeah, or
out of kick or whatever. It's like if you peel
come to making music harm you like it, just do it.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And also because you know, at the end of the day,
as much as these programs help you, because they do
help you, they're they're intelligently designed.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You know, they're packs. I love me a piano role,
I love me a channel rack. I know the things
I can make it.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I know I know how to make beats through maybe
not engineerings, like it sounds leveled, but like you know,
I know how to get there. You know, someone else
might have to level it out, but get that there
you go. They're still like whenn't the men though, like
I said, NASA SETA or else, you can't even make
something that's like cohesive.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Right. Can you talk to that?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Because at the end of the day, and what I'm
talking to right, if if you don't have an ear
for music, it doesn't matter how much these.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
These platforms help you.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah, absolutely, can you talk to that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
So, just because like I always still people just because
he played the piano doesn't mean you can make beats
just because he's gonna make bet doesn't mean you can
play the piano, you know what I mean the software
that are there you haven't yet how any And you
gotta have the most important part to make production and
come on, songe selection. You gotta be really good at
sound selecting because you could give twenty people the same
(13:09):
platform and the same resources, but maybe one of them
out of there is going to be like, oh man,
this guy got something. You know. So at the end
of the day, it's all about your creative intuition and
your experience. Yeah, has to do with experience, depending on
how many hours you know, ten thousand hours. That's really
what it takes to be really really good at something.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Although this is reminded me of stain So for luck
la Villa and fun fact your girl knows how to
read music. I actually, when I was a you makea
Agan Negless Yeah about the staf shout out to people's
got this of Boston.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And get that there goo. I was in ballet, y'all
would not believe this. I was a vallerina growing up and.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Then it for six years and reproduces like something else
out to grace, but no, Cristiano. I did ballet and
I'll so I learned piano. May she rest in peace,
Gloria Colbert. She was like my piano, my piano teacher,
and we would sit there. She would I forget the
name of the booklets that she would buy. I want
to say, music choice something, not music choice like the
(14:14):
like the platform, but like it was like music choice.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Something, and we would go through it. I went from
like very beginner.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I mean I'm talking like maybe six or seven years
old up until maybe I was like twelve or thirteen that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Oh, may she rest in peace. She got a dementia.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Alzheimer's, and so like I would show to practice and
she would you forget my name.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
It was like depressing.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But no, during that time I was learning to read music,
you know, and learning ballet and as an adult now,
so who loves music so much to the point where
I'm even recording and putting it out. I'm like laughing
because when I'm in the studio, I cannot I cannot
explain to you the jealousy that I have over producers
who can listen to things by ear and like figure
(14:58):
things out.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I don't have that. I hate all of you.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I just want to say that I know you are
I hate that. I hate all of you, like I'm
the type of person okay.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
That's see no, but no, no, no, get fuck you.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
There is like a magic that people like you have
because I mean, wow, like people that you can like
jump in.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Oh my god, I know.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
It's like if you don't put the book in front
of me, and still I've been a story for five years.
I think it'll take me twenty more years for me
to even get a fraction of what you.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Have, because it's like, yes, it's a talent, but it's
also a gift.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And I yeah, it's also a gift, you know, because
so I certinly I'm not wired that way. I'd have
to rewire my fuck you, I hate you.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
No, talk to me about that because it also when I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Going with that to the point is that it makes
for like an even more interesting collaborative experience because it's
not so much limitations.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
As much as a musical.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Education can provide me with, it also limits me because like,
I know, people are jumping.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
In and maybe I can be like, okay, that's maybe
a minor guess I go.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But more importantly, like how to add to that in
a way that's not full technical. It's very freeing and
allows for things to get done faster. So I'm like, welcome,
maybe on flow, what's up talk to me about that.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
That's super interesting. So, like I said before, at the beginning,
when I started, maybe I had the talent. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I started, but I wasn't super good at it. So
I feel like it's like it's like a muscle that
you know when you go to the gym and you
work out, and you work that muscle inside of your head.
Like as far as like production and sounds, sound designing
and all of this, I feel like that plays a big,
big role, just to just to always and least put
one or two hours every day every day. As far
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as that the technical part, I'm not too technical when
it comes to like I did learn a lot from
a couple of my friends that went to food Stale
Fuss in Orlando is one of the biggest music school. Yeah,
so I learned a lot from them as far as
like when it comes to engineering when it comes to
the sound design, and they were a little.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Bit more technical than I am. I just go with
it feels good.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I always said, right around the studio, I don't even
go what sounds good, No, what feels good to me?
Speaker 4 (17:18):
That's it. That's the one that I'm going to go with.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So yeah, it's all about just putting that work and
then just always always practicing and practicing and practice.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Mean Scott our song.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So honest, I know you're enjoying what you're hearing. But
we'll be right back right after these messages that take no.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Same way we hand this. I got to where.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
That go on.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Not in aside from like music production for a soccer,
let's talk about culture, Like what is it if you
have some name like oh no, that was like things
that you appreciate in the music culture. I don't care
if it's Angle, Latin, whatever. What what are you appreciating
right now? That's existing I'm appreciating right now and represent Oka.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Like a good crowd, Columbia, Puerto.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Rico and I you know it, their ambassador, their.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Ambassador and yeah, and they're going harder. I love that.
I really really really love the way they're doing their thing.
Everybody got their own different sound.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
You know that there was one point that Golbai sound
the same, But now I feel like there's a lot
of people sounding like themselves.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, yes, I love that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I love that you went here because this is something
I say all the time. I don't know how many
sensacilies across these different interviews, but this is something that
I want to see more, and especially you know, as
a Caribbean. I don't want to see Caribbeans assigned as
a as a costume of people who are not Caribbean.
I want to hear esha from people who are from Argentina.
(19:26):
I want to hear like I want to I want no,
but I know me right, I said, and Thong said,
I want to know how to flirt in like all of.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
These different nationalities.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Like why is it? And I said it earlier people
are gonna make fun of at this point, but like
why why do we know how to say?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
But like I want to know how to say that
in like in Argentine and in Chilean and Colombian and
and everything in Brazilian. I want to know how to
say that, and I want to hear that, and I
want to hear these different make sense. I think that's
what's next. I'm glad you went there because everybody can't
be bad. Everybody can be bad, buy you know everybody
(20:09):
can't be gou you.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Know, but look at Gasu. She's killing it over there.
Look at look at and I get on Mexican that
is killing it right now. Shout out to Abby, you
love her, and by a gas you know, like I
feel like everybody.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Shout out to Michael and Michael Man he was like, da,
so let's do it, and let's make it a colorful.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You know, dope ass beach.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Like, I don't want grains of sand from one place
being copied from other.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I don't know I'm getting I'm glad you went.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
There, especially because I mean, I agree with you the
other part you said. At one point, I was like,
oh my god, you know I'm a historian.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I'm gonna love it. I get on clearly.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And I used to get so mad when people are like,
oh all I get them sounds is say, I'm like, no,
it don't that got that sound very different from Found Bond,
sounds very different from Gasolina, sounds very different from.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Daon on and on and on.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I'm honest with you, chief, Like, at.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Some point I was just like, Okay, we're starting to
get to a place where and I won't name the
artists because I respect them too much. Where a certain
favorite of mine was releasing more music and essentially I
was like, oh wait, I love you and I will
say their name. I will not because I love them,
(21:39):
I really do, and I feel like they're going to
stop doing this, I hope. So they were releasing music
like recently and I was like, no, bro, you have
three other songs a sound just like that one.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
What are we doing?
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Like, what what is that?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
You know?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
It could be a lieble thing with it.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Also could be maybe you need to have another team's
productions writers. Yeah, different writers just search around and you know,
bounce around from that or maybe that's the that's the
player that.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
They go that for it to be out.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Because they have such an expansive like discography, I was like, like,
I will defend to the ends of the earth, but this,
I'm not getting jiggy with this like this, this, this
gave me anxiety because I can't defend this. They're actually
right people who have been saying this for years and
more importantly, you know, and I love to hear your
(22:36):
take on this. From a production standpoint, Reggaeton has more
than one movement, more than one sound. It's one genre,
but like I be I Mananteo, Romnticqueo, I sud Leader,
you know, and a lot of these have like Caribbean
ass like spensers, but there.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Are some the revatives that like, yo, y'all can make
it your own, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So I would have to hear your take on that,
on the diversity of reggaeton and what you would like
to see what that could consider it?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (23:12):
I love I love everything that's going on with it,
you know.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I the romantic Okay, what I love now to see
now now they're mixing afrobeats.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, that's amazing. Great.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I feel like that's a new wave that's that's coming hard.
Everybody like bro the afro beats, you know what I'm saying.
You like the romantic crazy crazy? You got the Columbian
artist that's super big, I believe, and it's amazing. He's
doing a great, great, great job.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
So yeah, so it's more like just diving in without
any limitations and just diving in and creating those crossovers,
crossover sounds, you know, Like I like to mix a lot.
Now I'm playing around with a lot of house sounds.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, you know that's a big thing.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Now, somebody yeah, it's fired, like you know, just just
being free with it, being free with it and disarment.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Shout out to you forgiving me my flowers. You talk
about me.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
I love get.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Oh my god, it was crazy, guys.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I'm excited. Do you believe that crossovers truly exists?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And what I'm going with that is, oh my god,
that's been like a topic of conversation.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I feel like since the people are like, oh, yeah,
you know, we want Snoop Dogg with that Yankee and
gigs the zone or like, you know, that's what we've
seen than the BET Awards in the early two thousands, and.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I'm over here like.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
As a black person, nothing that aside, there's that's not
a crossover as black.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
People doing black ship. I know, like I just I
got it in the industry that like it's that market versus.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
This working I know that's or what it is just market.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Diaspora, which is what my primary concern is. It's like
I'm just like it goes together, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Market wise kind of like you knows, no, we named
a crossover yeah on the day, So I'm going, yeah, that's.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
That's probably what it comes down to. It's more like
just from one market to the other.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
As far as sonically, okay, you know all right, I put.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
My emotions aside. We gotta be business first. Money money, money.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, well, Chris, thank you so much for being here.
I talk the press me hand at an approxima. I'll
see you. Suh. Why not? That's nothing happened from me.
Let's hear from Keisha.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Let me a persona, a Panamanian creater. We have profound
respect words. Wanna bring mama, Let's get into it as
my way. I'm super excited because I'm here again. She's
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here two times, not once, but twice.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
No, how you doing, girl, I'm good, I'm good. How
are you?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I'm good? Aki, that's right, yes, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
There's so many different directions I want to go to
with you, Rale are quick questions, but.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I want you to go off like.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
First and foremost. I have to because I believe you're
the first other fem I've had on the show. I
had post the first I've had both shut out to Augustine.
But as far as a woman, yeah, like this is
the first.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Let's go. This is a moment. Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
With that saying, talk to me about your afro Bain pride,
because God knows you have a lot of it. Girl,
You've inspiring me, like I got to pick myself.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Up, I know.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
And it's funny because I was actually thinking about this earlier,
being you know, first of all, all Panamanian people, we
go out, we find each other. I probably started stalking
you just because Panamanians. Yes, let me click that follow
button everybody. I don't care if I know you're not.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
I'm clicking the follow button.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
Yeah, but it is it is interesting because yes, I
was born in Panama.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
My family's from chot Yo.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
My mother was the only one who came over to
the stations, and she's got like twenty brothers and sisters.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
So I know I'm related to like the entire country.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
I know, I know, and they I know and they
are still there, so we I mean, that connection runs deep.
But even when we came over here, we always found
a way to find our communities of Panamanian people in
California or Long Beach. We I mean, I got a
lot of family members here then, like cousins, my mom's
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cousins who were able to come over who are there.
But something I was thinking of that's interesting is just
being Panamanian. And it's something that like you, as people
can see, we probably sound completely different. You sound like
everybody I know, and here I am with no accent
at all, and that is something people would always hit
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me with, like your Panamanian. You don't even sound like
any Panamanian. I know, I don't sound like anybody.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
First of all, I feel like so first.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Of all, I was raised by Dominicans and Puerto Rican
so I don't even sound like what a Panamanian should
sound like, whatever that means. But you, I feel like
there's always a cadence that we have whether we're speaking
in English or in Spanish, and I feel like you have. You.
If I had to close my eyes and I didn't
know you, I swear to gud like, I'd be like
m it would either go panaman or Costa.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Rican or just natural that yeah when you talk.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
So I'm like and first of all, and second of all,
some people they'd be like, oh, you don't sound Pedamana.
They don't even know what Pedamana sound like.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
I know, I know, I know, I said, because the
English sounds completely different than the Spanish. You get the
English and sometimes it sounds like patois with a little
bit of a Latin swag in there. But there would
be times I used to work as a flight attendant
and people would get on the plane and as soon
as I hear them speaking, I was like, that's my
people right there, and everybody around me like, what are
you talking about? Like, I can bet anything that that
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person is from Panama. That's a Panamanian person.
Speaker 8 (29:38):
I can hear it. I hear my people. I know
what we who we are. I don't know what it is,
but we just know what we sound like.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I love it. I love it. I love it. I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And on this same note of pedaman and pride and identity,
DMA like, what was your experience growing up with music?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Like? Was it more reggae for you? More dance hall? More?
I get the child, But what was it for you?
What was that like for you?
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Oh, this is very interesting. So growing up when we came,
there's a part of California we moved to, and we
ended up moving to like a Mexican community. So my
mom like listening to a lot of their music. But
at the same time, even now, it is hilarious because
my mother still attends a lot of the Panamanian fests
that happened all over the world, and when anybody hears
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our music, because it's not the stuff you're hearing now.
It's old school stuff and the lyrics are so raunchy,
and I probably had no room were you working for
those mix CDs they would make back in the day,
and we would have our mixtapes.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
Honestly, they would make back in the day and the
beat was just a point.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
But when you were actually listening to the lyrics, it's like,
I had no no reason singing half of the stuff
I was singing, I'm talking about yes, yes, so even
I like recently, my mom took one of her friends
to one of the Panamania festivals that happened in Austin, and.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
The lady was like, okay, well what is he saying?
Speaker 7 (31:08):
And when we translated, she was like collecting her pearls
because she's like, they're saying what I was like, I
know it sounds kind of bad as English, but this
is what people were listening to. It was like reggae
and Espanol. It wasn't really the they get throne that
you're used to now. It was the old school stuff
or maybe even something that sounded similar to like tight
(31:30):
up skirt. You remember tight up skirt da, So it's
like yeah, when people I was like, I was like,
the the lyrics are probably different. It was more not
that they get thron that we're listening. We're used to now.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
It was diggae in Espanol. It was just a little
bit different, though probably a literal erasier.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
No, as you're talking, I'm getting flashbacks like when my mom.
It's so funny my parents they didn't let me listen
to hip hop growing up.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
They're like, why I'm just listening to that candy shop? No,
my dad.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
But I was already telling my girlfriend the other day, like,
but buppy would let me listen.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
To John Mayer. Your body's a wonder then, like, let's
be for real because he's like musica you can't even
hear the instruments, guess, And I'm just like like, are
you that?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
But but how you listen to music and Spanish? Because
a they underestimated how much I understood. I'm like, okay,
if you like it.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
But then when me so with us, yeah, it was
I don't know, it's like I kind of pop up.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
But then when me like Ragaton.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I always loved it from the moment I heard it Thata,
so like I loved the Raggaton and they they didn't
object to it. But let me put on some dance
hall and it's World War three. I cannot because and
dance is always a tease, right because the mad And
then I think a vi Cirtil He's like, mayple say
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love your luck Bible?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
What excuse me?
Speaker 8 (33:08):
They just throwing it around, throwing it around.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
My mother one thing, Jamaicans are not oscar to do,
and where's Jamaican perman and like what this?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So it just hits harder because my mom speaks yeah,
like she's like she's, you know, planning for all the
things I'm about to learn in church that next Sunday.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
So not real, very real.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
And then I used to actually I used to live
in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
When I became a flight attendant, I was based in
sand One, So this was a different time.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
This was way.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
This was when you know, Looney Tunes was still like that.
That's that's the stuff I like listening to. Now, yes
I'm gonna listen to Bad Buddy obviously, but I do
like taking it back and I'm listening to Crazy Hill
or when Hector Father was still you know, doing his things,
so and the mass slow was still coming out.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
So it's like, man, it was a good time to
be living in pr I.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Am completely and utterly jealous. Yeah when that came out,
I was in the sixth grade. So no, what I
mean by that is that I first of all, and
I love that we're talking about this because that these
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people are talking about Yeah twenty one, I was late.
I was like for free, yes, section, I was so mad.
I was like, this is not Ladisco that they told
us about it.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Right right, like this is a very It was a
good time. Yeah, back then it was a good time.
I was like, oh my gosh, yes, my dear, completely
and utterly yeah, it was a good time to be
living down there.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
And I love that you had that experience called their
music is lit.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I love them, Yeah, I DIDJ now so putting like
Mexican music with like media, it's always like that that synergy.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
I love even now.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
I still love Medinga And it's just even if it's
just that simple beat I I do I listen to,
I will still.
Speaker 8 (35:13):
Put on like old because I mean I'm talking about
the old stuff too, because I do.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
I feel like I'm one of the few people who
still listens to Medingae, so I do.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Med is still alive, girl. But I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
I know it was just getting good. But we'll be
right back right after these messages, ma'amon.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You're someone of the culture, you know, like you're online,
you see all the different discussions, the debates. They're endless
and they're a little exhausting. Right twenty twenty five, some
things have got to give in my opinion, but I
want to hear yours, Like, what is that you want
to see more of in the culture? What do you
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want to see change? What do you want to see
is like let go of like I want your take.
Speaker 7 (36:40):
Honestly, I feel like it's still the same thing where
we want to see more of our black representation, but
not the cliche black representation because for a while, what
everybody got on the afrol like the in a bandwagon.
Everybody wanted us to be like a Madla Negra and
nothing again is her. You know, she's a beautiful Dominican woman,
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love or down. But we're not all, you know, walking
around with accents.
Speaker 8 (37:11):
Doing that. You know, some of us are just like me.
You know, even though like we were talking.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Yeah, I still have my Panamanian presence, but there are
still a lot of us who might not speak Spanish.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Who are I want people to let go of that
one too.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Who might not speak Spanish, who might not have that
certain look that you feel like after Latinas are supposed
to look like or what they're supposed to be doing.
Like I call myself a black woman because I am
legit about a black woman. And there are some times
where people will be like, oh, I didn't know you
were so and so because what I call myself black
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if the two are not mutually exclusive, you know what
I mean. So looking for this cliche version of an
afrol Latina, you gotta expand your minds because some of
them are like me.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
Some of them are listening a master p or whatever.
Speaker 7 (38:10):
Some of them are listening, some of them are are
just we come from different parts, and it'll be sometimes
where I'll look at some of my cousins, I'm like,
oh my god, they're so good, but they're no less Panamanian.
Like we we all get together and everybody's still eating
a South so it's whatever.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
But yeah, I feel like there's a lot of cliche.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
Even when people are still seen after Latinos, they still
want this cliche, water down version of us.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I so love that you went there. I so love
that you spoken language.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I want to tease that more because it's not just
that some people don't speak Spanish, which.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Let's be for real. Some people hold on to stereotypes
because a they've jilped their entire identity around it.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
They don't know any better, but not knowing any better
in twenty twenty five, with all the resources out there
is a choice, right and see, you know, I feel like,
you know, some people hold on to stereotypes because our cliches,
because they want to feel better than other people. And
(39:22):
it's like, bro, okay, like your Latinia is gonna be
different than other people. Right, And on that note of language,
So I have been noticing like a lot of conversation
online regarding like, oh, because in regards to language, right,
I'm Panomaia, you're panama In there's a lot of Jamaicans,
(39:45):
a lot of AFOs who want to Panama and worked
on the canal. So my last names, both of them
still hyphenated still in that tradition of very Latin. You know,
we got to do last names, but they're both like
Anglo as fucked yes Equestin and I don't say the
other one on the internet because its privacy. But my
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entire point is that you know that's Latina because in
the context of Latinisa that exists too. So people get
really stupid in my opinion, because they'll be like, oh,
Las Senora Johnson or La Senora yes, and it's like
or La Senora Harriet, and.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I'm like, that's very common, like very.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Expand p s A because like Noriguez or or I
can't even speak right now, Abo yeah, sorry, I'm Dominican.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
Just just the cliche version like what they think a
Latino last name should be. It's like, oh, but your
last name is Greed or Cruise, like.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Everyone's not, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
And I'm like, bro, this exists outside of that, and
to do this in twenty twenty five is a fucking choice.
Speaker 7 (41:03):
And yeah, I'm also tired of the diaspore wars that
we see online too.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I don't like too and like, okay, you get into it.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I really am tired like this, So I love that
I'm able to have this comment with you because truly,
like in twenty twenty five, right, there's so many like,
oh my god, I'll principio I was attacked, not attacked.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
That was appross a lot by people who are like,
but you.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Know, so you a persona mala and criminal and like
I had to educate people and like, it's not about criminality, baby,
it's about it's about they can get you, so they
will and for a long time, you know, going to
person negros, but people are quickly understanding.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Solo like yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Know, trying, but like that it has the principal thing
is about like subjugation and you are subjecated, you are marginalized.
So I don't mean to talk about this with you.
I love Sorry, I'm talking a lot. I'd love to
hear your team on this whole thing, because what have
you been processing as an aga watching Latinos rally up
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about ice and all this, because it's really it's really
a mindfuck for me. I'm like, Black people have been
talking about this for generations and some people are only
tapping in now because it's only affecting them, which is
when are we going to talk about that, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 8 (42:28):
Right, It's interesting.
Speaker 7 (42:30):
I saw somebody posts on social media and I and
let me please encourage you to take the breaks off
of social media whenever you feel like you have to,
especially because we live in a time where you can
get in trouble at work for saying certain things on
social media and you.
Speaker 8 (42:48):
Don't want to let these people affect their paper.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
But I do.
Speaker 7 (42:52):
I see every now and then comments about you know
where black people will be like, well, I'm not saying
anything about Ice because it has nothing to do with us.
I'm sorry, but I could have swore they were Ice
was rolling up on people in Chicago, on Haitians, on
a lot of people who look like us, like they
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they don't care. They are trying to deport American citizens.
Speaker 8 (43:16):
At this point. So it is all of our problem,
period period.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
And I think, you know, to summarize all of that,
it's like we have a like people of color, we
have a collective that's not my problem problem And the
bottom line is is that it affects everybody. It's just
it's a matter of one. It's your turn, you know. Yeah,
It's like for a lot of people, this has been
(43:45):
a real awakening. But you know, nonetheless, we've been, Yes,
we've been, we've been.
Speaker 8 (43:53):
We've been trying to tell y'all, oh my god, trying
to tell.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
You okay, and to to bring it to a lighter note.
I want to bring it back to music. Who have
you been listening to? Who whose music have you really
been connecting to?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
And who are your top three? So I need to
get that from you.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, you're
gonna do this to me. I will say Plan b
always stays in my top.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
I do listen to them a lot lately. Have I
turned back on Well.
Speaker 7 (44:31):
I won't even say back on Bad Bunny because he
don't ever like. He is still in I have my
what do you call him? Playlist, so he's definitely in there.
I I like listening to older stuff. I'm not saying
that I don't enjoy like newer artists, but if it would,
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I do.
Speaker 8 (44:56):
I like listening to my old stuff. That's just really
how I am. So let me let me see.
Speaker 7 (45:00):
I'm actually going to I have to. Oh my gosh,
I can't believe you asked me this. Let me tell
you what I was listening to. I still like old.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I do.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
I remember going to uh Donald Mar's, like, I mean,
not Donald Mar even though yeah, what's his name? Doddy Yankees'
last show, like not too long ago, and I really
enjoyed that performance.
Speaker 8 (45:29):
But Mark Anthony, for real, I love me some Mark Anthony.
Speaker 7 (45:34):
He's not rega Thon, but I will listening to I
will listen to him all day long.
Speaker 8 (45:43):
When we're talking about old old people, old people, not people.
Oh my gosh, I didn't even mean to say it
like that. Oh my gosh, I don't know. It's all
over the place. It's all over the place.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
YEA.
Speaker 8 (46:02):
My top three would probably be like plan B.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
I need a song, girl, I need songs.
Speaker 8 (46:07):
Oh you want a song?
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Let me see? What's the name?
Speaker 7 (46:11):
Not mebe Sina, what's the other one? Oh my gosh,
I can't believe you're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
This to me. Let me. I'm I'm.
Speaker 7 (46:22):
Okay, uh huh anatica CENSOI let's go. I I do
enjoy that song.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (46:34):
It's something about it I enjoy.
Speaker 7 (46:35):
Remember when they get THN songs used to have that
intro where it sounded like.
Speaker 8 (46:42):
I can't even describe the intro but you know what
I'm talking about. The intro soundings you in.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
It's like it's like it's like the preparation for what's
body Yeah before the beat drops.
Speaker 7 (46:52):
Yeah, I like that one. Oh my god, I feel
like I need to come back to this. No, no,
I feel like we need to come back to this.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
You can look at your phone if you need to.
Do you remember that?
Speaker 7 (47:07):
Yes? Because the thing is I have so much I
listened to, especially different genres. I have so many genres
I listened to, even if it's like reggae or just
like like Spanish music in general, like even I'll always
go back to and hinted out to even though I
would he stays on the playlist. Tavest Boyna always stays
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on the on the playlist. There was I think there
was this song.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Was it La?
Speaker 8 (47:40):
Who had that one song?
Speaker 1 (47:41):
You know?
Speaker 8 (47:42):
I can't I don't know what it was, but it
sounded real like what was the name of that song?
You know what I'm talking about? And the beat kind
of was just maybe that was it?
Speaker 7 (47:55):
Yeah that I don't remember hearing too many other songs,
but then I like Monchi Alexandra, I.
Speaker 8 (48:04):
I love them still.
Speaker 7 (48:08):
I don't even know if the song was called ojaim
Blanco or wella like I'm sing the whole, I'm sing
the whole.
Speaker 8 (48:15):
Yeah, Ohaian Blanco was another one that stayed on on
reefs heat.
Speaker 7 (48:20):
Oh my gosh, you're gonna have to edit this real
game because I've got too many you got, I've got
too many.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
So now that you got the three, you got fan Blanco,
if you just want to say them in a road
so it'll be easier.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
For me to edit.
Speaker 8 (48:38):
Yes, yes, so I guess.
Speaker 7 (48:41):
Yeah, my top three would be and it's they're not
all reg songs, just music and Spanish period fatico, but
I and Ohaian Blanco. Yeah, there's always like you gotta
add some but chat in there. Even though I that
I really do love Mark Anthony. I could listen to
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all of his albums, so I can't tell you one
song by him, but all of his albums they're still puting.
Cipio was probably one of my favorite albums, so by him,
I love it.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
And to top off, you have said something that I
truly love. You said that you were making a comment
on the intros of Saton.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Do you miss that? What do you miss and right
now or what do you want to see.
Speaker 8 (49:27):
I miss when you had like a gang of people
on a track.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Like it was.
Speaker 8 (49:36):
It was.
Speaker 7 (49:37):
It was it was like my slow music and then
it's like the Lonely Tones would be on there, and
then you'd have everybody you would it was like on
Hill would be on there, then you'd have like they
go on the track or even it was just like
I missed songs where there was like thirty people on
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one song. I know that sounds real funny, but it
was back to the day. It was like it was
like a big mixtape. It probably was considered a mixtape.
Who knows, because.
Speaker 8 (50:09):
It was I missed mixtapes. I guess when thirty people
were on one song.
Speaker 7 (50:16):
And yeah, you could just dance to it, you could
just vibe out to it, and it wasn't like a
bunch of and nobody was.
Speaker 8 (50:24):
It wasn't just a bunch of drama. I don't know.
I guess because when I think about.
Speaker 7 (50:29):
Those songs, it was during a different time period in
my life, so a lot of the music, I like
to call it it was like the soundtrack to my life.
So it was it was a time where you just
kind of didn't have a care in the world. You
didn't have a bunch of bills, kids, and you know,
you was just trying to go out and have a
good time.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
So that it is.
Speaker 7 (50:48):
Sometimes my husband and I are just sitting back talking
and if he hears a song, he's like, oh, this
reminds me of like my old car, this reminds me of.
Speaker 8 (50:57):
When I lived and blah blah blah.
Speaker 7 (50:58):
And it does whenever we hear certain songs, it reminds
us of a certain time in our life.
Speaker 8 (51:03):
So I do love that.
Speaker 7 (51:07):
That part of my life was when I was living
in pr I had just became a flight attendant, and
so it was just a good feeling.
Speaker 8 (51:14):
We didn't have a care in the world. We would
sit on the beach on our days off.
Speaker 7 (51:19):
It would be Thanksgiving and Christmas and we would still
be chilling on the beach and it was just a
good time. So I think that's what I love about
that time that music. It reminded me of a real
time in my life where I just didn't have a
care in the world. I love it.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
And if you had to give a shout out to
anyone or anything, what would it be.
Speaker 8 (51:43):
A shout out to anyone or any thing, dang, I
don't know. That's hard.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Am I back to shout out girl, sage girl, I
don't know, girl, Panamaan community, girl, it is.
Speaker 8 (51:54):
All of my Panamanian community out here.
Speaker 7 (51:56):
Yes, if right, if you see in these internet streets
follow assistance, Sally, I do.
Speaker 8 (52:04):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (52:05):
Yes, my Panamanian community, we knew we do. We need
to all get together and hang out, have another little
reunion somewhere.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (52:11):
I'm trying to in any era. Panamanians in Arizona too,
hit me up.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
I love it. I'm going thank you so much for
joining me here at hanging make sure to show you
sure some love. So you gotta child.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
I know it was just getting good. So we'll be
right back right after these messages somewhere on.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Okay, ma hand, I want to get into a couple
of things. I want to get into why mom Danny
is my mayor although I'm residing in LA and to
get into that, let me bring you back in time
real quick. So, first of all, in November last year four,
I had the pleasure of speaking with David Ryand of
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CNN on the topic of the Latin novo.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
If if you hear the interview. You'll know that I
brought up the points that Latinos are not a monolithic group.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
We look different, act and socialize differently, and vote differently.
In twenty twenty five, we're all heavily aware of the
election results, and I bring this up not to vote
that I was on CNN or about Trump winning, but
about the first many times hopefully, but to bring this
point up as well. I was asked who I was
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voting for, and I expressed feeling unsure, and I remember
David being like, huh, for lack of a better expression.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
He was taken aback. Now some of y'all are hearing this,
like huh.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
But before you cut me up, hear me out, jennacide,
Oh yeah, we're going There isn't something I'm willing to
look past.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
And I'm not alone.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
In twenty twenty, we were so tired of all of
the shenanigans that Trump and his administration exemplify. We voted
for We just we were tired. We were like, damn,
let's just get this guy out of here. But here's
the thing. In twenty twenty four, people weren't willing to
repeat the same action with the same enthusiasm I'm sorry,
you know, and I'm one of those people because just
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because we're all collectively educated enough to understand the mass
absorption of issues by the two parties, it's done for it.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Like there's it's not flying no more.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
I need you guys to hear me, Like, just because
they are two parties doesn't mean that we have to
vote for one or the other just because if we
don't get one, we'll get the other.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
We're tired of that. We deserve better than that, ohsaya,
We're trying to fight for better than that.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Deserve is a very strong word. Let's say things for
what they are. But Ma Black Clado and the Democratic Party,
there's a significant ideological split.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
They're the moderates and the progressives.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
And sadly, the way the party is operating, they won't
split because they know it'll create a massive shift and
quite frankly, the Moderates, which attracts an older, more conservative group, will.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
Lose by landslides.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
They don't want to give it to us young people
during elections, and I'm talking local and at the state level.
In any two party system, absorbing all of the issues
results in squashing descent.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
I swear I'm not trying to explain for.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
The million times why people did not vote for Kamala,
but instead why people are voting for Mamdani.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
I hope that I'm not being.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Premature because obviously we don't have the results yet by
saying that this election has great potential to be the
perfect case study as to what a successful contemporary progressive
election looks like at the local level, but also what
people actually want and phasis on actually want. So yes,
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Mamdani is my mayor all the way from outside New York,
but also these are you know, I'm just echoing what
people in Tokyo, all over Europe, even in Latin America
as we're seeing online are saying, and from different states
of wealth as well. Because the general public are tired
of being treated like they're stupid. Okay, so PSA the
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Democrats like this is you can't run campaigns like you
used to in the sixties, seventies, eighties, like it is
a new time. We're in the information age, and to
treat people like they don't know things is honestly silly
in twenty twenty five, So this whole gaslighting and being
diplomatic and just not addressing issues head on, people aren't
(57:34):
standing for that anymore.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
Do with that which you will.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
And with that said, taking a stance is the most
effective way to get this generation to pay you any mind.
So instead of moving diplomatically, I don't know, I'll come
back to you with that, Hakim Jeffries, it's giving. Just
be clear on APAC the issues with billionaires throwing their
influence around when no more, and quality of life more importantly,
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like most importantly, people are indeed tired of being resilient,
and this country is embarrassing. How embarrassing is it that
we have all of the resources but people still don't
know how they're gonna eat, don't know how they're gonna
pay their rent, don't know how they're going to pay.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
Their medical bills. It's embarrassing. We are embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
We have the highest GDP in the world and an
ability to put to be equitable, but this country chooses
not to because it hates black people.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Like that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
Okay, moving on, Trump is doing whatever is in his
latest project twenty twenty five Man Date. We're all aware
of that. We're watching in real time, we're feeling the effects.
But let's talk about the reconstruction of the White House
East Wind because honestly, it's pissing me off.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
The truth is, I.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Wish it were illegal what he was doing. That way
we'd have a way to stop him, but unfortunately it's not.
Presidents have made renovations to the White House over the
course of history.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
This is nothing new. I am not particularly patriotic.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
I'm not, and so I'm not really losing my mind
over the fact that we're losing the East wing preservation
of history.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
Look this history.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
It's historical that that building was built by slaves. It's
historical that just I don't know this twenty acres and
a mule thing. African American people are old. I don't know, bro,
It's kind of where I'm at until that happens. I
just patriotism is really hard for me. And so with
that said, all right, girl, why are you mad?
Speaker 1 (59:40):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (59:40):
I think him demolishing this is actually a perfect metaphor
for what over zealous, uneducated right wing Nazis want to
do with this country. They want to knock down everything
that stands for progress and replace it with something symbolizing
the ignorance and inferiority.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
It's clear as day, but the name calling aside.
Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
What I really want to call attention to, and what
I really cared to really comment on, is that I
just want to acknowledge that in twenty twenty five, Washington
Post is not owned by Basils, and I don't think
it's merely a coincidence that the publication defended the reconstruction
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without mentioning in the article that he's one of the
private donors to this new ballroom, honestly, and it's like,
you know what, I unfortunately have to take everything from
this publication with the grain of salt going forward, and
if you care about unbiased reporting aka ethics, you should too.
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Moving on, Gavin Newsom got on a podcast I don't
know which one it was and notably shared that the
right saying anti woke is just the euphemism for anti black.
And that's great, you know, that's that's great, super glad
a white man is speaking up for the black people.
Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Let's go, we need all the allies.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
But at the same time, it's a symptom of a
larger endemic issue I want to address because like, boy,
whereuld you get that from?
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Where you get that from?
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
In twenty twenty five, there are people who are fighting
you know, fighting finding their voices, finding their voices, and
they're fighting online and I love that, but like, there's
also this thing that's going on where people are copying
rhetoric by black women, bar for bar, even with the
attitude attached or non attitude attached or ebonics cessicio like
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bar for bar just sounding like black women.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
And I don't think that's cool.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
It's honestly giving when gay white men are like, oh
my god, my inner Black women don't do that shit,
Like so, all right, do you want people to speak
up or not?
Speaker 8 (01:01:57):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
But can you cite your sources?
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
I think part of what it means to be progressive
or to simply do things right, it's the other people
who've come before you. I think I speak for a
lot of people, intellectuals, black women in general. At it's
those who see things from an aphrodise peric lens and
and or who fuck with me that it is cool
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to get that sound bite from him.
Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
But also, now more than ever, we are in.
Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
This political state because people were adamant about not listening
to black women. So if you're gonna be doing all
of that, the least you could do is cite us.
You see, and Lastly, this Kiki Palmer Southern fried Rice controversy.
I'm a huge Kiki Palmer fan, and I think that
(01:02:54):
the show is a mess conceptually. It's just a mess
for me. I'm gonna tell you why. First of all,
the name leaves much to debate, and I feel like
it's interesting, to say the least. I really don't have
more than us Southern fried Rice. I think, honestly, like
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it doesn't really bother me too much. It is interesting,
like it does really encapsulate blackness and Asianness for all
intents and purposes. So honestly, like, if that's the intention
that hit the nail on the head, doesn't bother me
so much.
Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
But what does bother me?
Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Said respectfully, it's just I feel like there's way too
much costuming of black culture. I mean black in a
diasporic sense, so black like African American, black, like from
anywhere else in the world, internationality here, just black people
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in general.
Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
I think we are costumed way too much.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
People are very comfortable putting on our culture and then
thinking as long as they shout us out, the thing's
all good. And I say, in twenty twenty five, that's
not enough it's not enough if there was more like
equity than sure, but there isn't, and so I'm operating
on for the fact that black people are old, and
(01:04:21):
because we're old, I just don't think it's productive to
produce something where you know, another culture is immersed into
ours and we're giving it away. It's just really not productive,
is my number one critique here. I do appreciate the
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heart and all of this. I do appreciate that the
blasions exist. I do appreciate that she was trying to
hit things from a different perspective and the fact that
she has KEYTV network.
Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I mean, come on, Kikeep.
Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
I'm a huge fan and I always give your flowers
and it's amazing that you own this and then you
have this initiative. I just feel like the curation of
it all, it's just it's not productive. And so I'm excited,
honestly to see what happens next, because I think from
this you can only learn from it. But I'd be
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lying if I said that, you know, while reading the
descriptions and the the critiques online, that the concept just
doesn't give me anxiety.
Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
It does, and it does because we are old, and
I think as a priority. We need a fight for that.
And I think other cultures need to demonstrate two black people,
especially in the context of the US African American people.
You know, genuine culture.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I don't mean like one person. I don't mean like
one representative either. I mean like on a lactivistic sort
of No. People need to start show and love to
African Americans and everything that they blood and sweat for,
because the amnesia is real.
Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
The amnesia is reel.
Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Twenty twenty five people don't know why they have the
rights that they have, and twenty twenty five people don't get,
you know, the privileges that they have that they are
in fact privileges.
Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
So I just don't think it's productive.
Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
And that's my take, and that's all I got for
La La La at the Semana. It's got at some
shown as you know what time it is, It's time.
I last Floresta as an I Heard Media production co
executive produced by Nonette Shakezy Media. The Kiero produced by
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Grace Gonzalez. The Kiero edited by Walking Coutler. Like Kyero,
shout out to my production assistance Naomi Asado and Kayla Ecleston.
Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
I'm your host.
Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
And EP like so You're right here next week A
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Me, Scotra Son Sonic.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I love how many producers I've had on the show
this far, nes La Mene Mara, Full Harmony, Gromola, Echis,
Jeremi Ayala, and I have a few more up my sleeve.
Fucke Cepan. Today's guest is Chris Ledgard, a producer based
in Miami who's producing some of the hottest tracks in
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trap and reggaeton and even in the Anglo market. I
don't think I can sing anything more without spoiling the interview,
so I'll leave that there, and I'll definitely share my
thoughts after with some la la la, including some hot
takes on what's going on in the world right now.
I want to get into why Mom Donnie is my
mayor although I'm residing in Los Angeles, the mess of
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Trump destroying the White House in.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
The physical sense.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
We already know he's messing it up in the ideological sense,
but the physical sense is much too unpacked, So let's
get into it. Washington now being owned by Basos. As
a journalist, this gives me the ack and its direct
tie to the defense of this reconstruction quote unquote of
the White House. Gavin Newsom, the Governor of California saying
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anti woke is anti black. It's great and all, but
it's a symptom of a larger endemic. I'll get into that.
And Kiki Palmer Southern fried Rice. I have some thoughts
and I'm gonna share them with you. And this week's
Rappidito with Kisha Gully, an amazing Panamenya mother advocate, I
prima Mia.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
She's my Internet primayo.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
She's giving a refreshing take on in Hanio and what
she likes to see more of.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
That's this week.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Like every week, it's a vibe Aki and reggaetonata. Yeah
so far, Hantelena you said, Vivos Cleveland and stuff like
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shout out to them.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I'm excited that mine flow Spanglish with this.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'm excited to be interviewing a good friend of mine,
none other than.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Thank you so much for being here, Chris.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Thank you so much, of course, of course, Oh my god,
I'm excited to talk with you because I honestly love
your story. I love the way that you, you know,
represent yourself is what attracted me so much. You guys,
I'm in the studio, what hair if I'll be honest
and like I would have it no other way and
I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Say that lightly and so so yeah, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm over here, like where to begin first and foremal
so again, I'm in love with your story, so like,
let's start there. You are a producer, but it wasn't
always that way. You started off as an artist, So
talk to me about that, like that transition. How did
you decide that you wanted to make music? You ended
up creating music and then you made that transition only
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over into production. Tell me more about that story.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So I really started producing started, I want to say
it was like around twenty seven months okay beginning, Yeah,
something started producing, but it was quick before I found myself.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I was writing for somebody that paid me to make
a so own for them, okay, and engineer that was
there at the time, but.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
You said you care, okay, and I was like, and
I ended up doing it.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Six months after that, I ended up doing my first
EP and then you're gonna had it out with the
even when the more consistent with.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
It, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
And I met a lot of a lot of cool
people through it. I performed at the time, I opened
up for Bad Bunny, my oh cool.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I gained a lot of experience being an artist and
then I'm now fully back into production only.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay, started why if we're opening for those that why? Why?
Why mam that transition? I know the reason, but.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
It was my first love, to be honest with you,
it was my first love production.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I love being in the studio and I'm just recording
artists kind of coaching them throughout the whole song writing
as well. And it's been more I've forgotten more opportunities.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Coming back to the production, Okay, if it has to
get down to ye, like, for example, there's a lot
of people hearing this and the like the music industry
is a big question mark, you know, so like opportunities
like what.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
So I've recently gotten everything I've been in. Man, I've
been here for three months. It's been amazing. Everything I
switched over to only production, I was able to push
some songs for Playing next Door and the new album
of Drinking Them Okay. Yeah, So that was one of
the reasons where a lot of doors was just opening
so fast, and it was like, let me just just
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focus more on this thing that's working rather than just
kind of like just keep doing something that that wasn't working,
but it was just taking a little longer.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Right of course.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, because the competition. It's not that it's easier for
say on the production side, but it is easier per
se in that Yeah, because you're not in the spotlight.
You're not like, you know, competing for that spotlight, like
whether people want to accept it or not, like it
is a spotlight competition if you want to be like
a recording artist. So kudos to you for like choosing
the past. You know, it's not like you're like, oh no,
(05:27):
it was horrible. It's just you know, you're trying to
make be business savvy.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, and so I appreciate that, you know, because fast.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And no sea. So everything's been great, no complains at.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
All, and you're not only produced and I don't let's
take it a step back or it's like you've also
like doabbled in like the Anglo market, so like.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
What what does that look like?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
That was amazing? So I was in the Anglo market.
Very good.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
The R and b uh trap drill regards like Tyler yahweh,
Danny Towers, White Fire's Funeral, Saint Ville just.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Ane okay, good shit and okay because oh my god.
You know me, I'm in the Latin space, and there's
always like Latin versus Angle, Anglo versus Latin.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Get that vegle, like which.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Would you say is it's not even like I want
to ask which is easier like English or Spanish?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But really the easy is not even.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
A question because work is work, right, Yeah, So I
guess what I do want to ask instead is like
how do the dynamics compare?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That I will ask the dynamic in the studio with artists, yeah,
like you know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
As a producer, you have certain business goals, like if
you're working with like an Anglo artist versus.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
With Latin, how does that compare or does it at all?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
It's a little different, I must speak creatively, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It's a little different because everybody got their own different styles.
But when it comes to the I want to say,
like the American market working there is.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
A lot of.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
There's a lot of understanding when it comes to like
working in a collaborative group, you know, rather than I
want to say in the Spanish I've run.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Into like not all the time, but it's a little
tiny more egotistic on that sense of the word.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
When you're in rooms with different people and they have
whatever their stripes or whatever, maybe they work or whoever.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
It's a little bit more of that way.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I feel like it was a little more collective in
the American more a little bit more comsive.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
But maybe it was just the room that I was
at the time.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
But Latin, oh yeah, well that's an open minded way
to think about it. And of course, like on a
bigger scale and sense of things, right, this whole Anglo
versus Latin. It also comes down to dollars. It is
no secret that like Latin at this point in time
has portraying like Genera did a billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
And I don't say that like okay, like as a
hater my ether or anything negative. Like a billion is
a big deal, right, And.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Also you know, in regards to competition, in my opinion,
there's a lot of catching up to do in regards
to Anglo because jay Z and Beyonce I say it
all the time at this point, so I'm gonna put
together equip with me singing it like six different times
in six different places. But like jay Z and Beyonce
for example, are worth more than two and a half
billion dollars latin just a mass of billion in revenue,
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the sources ready for anyone who want to check me.
And so you know, it's just it's interesting because it's growing.
I often wonder where if I get Don't would be,
Like now I'm rambling right now. I often wonder what
I get don would be if it got more.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Support earlier, because you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Because like for a very long time, it was like, oh,
you know, it's a phase, or it's not music that
those people do, or but I have to ask it
so much waste of time, you know, Like it's like
it's something that I know as a historian, I'm like like,
for like ten years, maybe fifteen, reggaeton didn't just have
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to like you know, compete within it of itself in
regards to like evolving creatively, but in regards to the
commercial support it was going to receive, it was a
lot of like why should we put down a budget.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
For something that's gonna fade out?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And then today here we are, you know, latinos are
in the super Bowl, you know, handlining Corchella.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
You know, like it's it's something that people want, it's
something that we've always wanted. But now it's respected, you know,
and so yeah, I'm going back to my point.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I often wonder, like how farther how much father would
we be if we didn't have to waste time doing
all that shit? And I will need that question to you.
I'll leave you out of it as my old speculation. Yeah,
how much billions for a I don't know?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Goodness, twenty you know twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Better, but I'll say no saying what I do want
to ask you because you're a producer, are you a
fruity person or are you a.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Pro tools person? That's okay, Yeah, I'm both, okay, I'm both.
When I make my instrumentals and make them fruity okay,
and then when I got to record vocals or whatever
I do, any other additionals go to protos.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I get that a lot from a lot of pros.
Why what is it? Is it just a setup for
fruity or what? Like protos just make it more easier?
What's up?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It's only for you know, like fruity is more.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I've been on it for so long and I'm fast
at it, so it's more like I like it for
my drums and my instrumentals, and.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Then proo mester around vocals and stuff like that and
pro tools better, there's different work flows, noferends at the
end of the day's preference.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Okay cool, And also instrumentals like like it's part of
like your process.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, okay, one of those keyboard what else?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
So you use the keyboard and I use a lot
of like synthesizers, like whoever you want to do like
a either taglone winn or artists and perform I camplete.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
The scenes for them.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And what would you say to anyone who's like, oh,
that's something I.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Get all the time.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
But you know, everybody, I feel like it's adapting to
a lot of things. Now we have AI if we
want to move like from now we have a before
we had the pro.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Tools, and they used to make it before they use
pro tools.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Back in the day, it was more like more analog,
you know, so everybody you gotta adjust at some point,
everybody got to adjust them.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I don't feel like there's a right way to make music.
It's just creation is a creation.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
This is more like about energy and you know, in
my opinion, it's more like this isn't better if you
use a sample, if you don't use a sample. You
created a whole idea out of that sample, yeah, or
out of kick or whatever. It's like if you peel
come to making music harm you like it, just do it.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And also because you know, at the end of the day,
as much as these programs help you, because they do
help you, they're they're intelligently designed.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You know, they're packs. I love me a piano role,
I love me a channel rack. I know the things
I can make it.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I know I know how to make beats through maybe
not engineerings, like it sounds leveled, but like you know,
I know how to get there. You know, someone else
might have to level it out, but get that there
you go. They're still like whenn't the men though, like
I said, NASA SETA or else, you can't even make
something that's like cohesive.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Right. Can you talk to that?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Because at the end of the day, and what I'm
talking to right, if if you don't have an ear
for music, it doesn't matter how much these.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
These platforms help you.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah, absolutely, can you talk to that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
So, just because like I always still people just because
he played the piano doesn't mean you can make beats
just because he's gonna make bet doesn't mean you can
play the piano, you know what I mean the software
that are there you haven't yet how any And you
gotta have the most important part to make production and
come on, songe selection. You gotta be really good at
sound selecting because you could give twenty people the same
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platform and the same resources, but maybe one of them
out of there is going to be like, oh man,
this guy got something. You know. So at the end
of the day, it's all about your creative intuition and
your experience. Yeah, has to do with experience, depending on
how many hours you know, ten thousand hours. That's really
what it takes to be really really good at something.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Although this is reminded me of stain So for luck
la Villa and fun fact your girl knows how to
read music. I actually, when I was a you makea
Agan Negless Yeah about the staf shout out to people's
got this of Boston.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And get that there goo. I was in ballet, y'all
would not believe this. I was a vallerina growing up and.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Then it for six years and reproduces like something else
out to grace, but no, Cristiano. I did ballet and
I'll so I learned piano. May she rest in peace,
Gloria Colbert. She was like my piano, my piano teacher,
and we would sit there. She would I forget the
name of the booklets that she would buy. I want
to say, music choice something, not music choice like the
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like the platform, but like it was like music choice.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Something, and we would go through it. I went from
like very beginner.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I mean I'm talking like maybe six or seven years
old up until maybe I was like twelve or thirteen that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Oh, may she rest in peace. She got a dementia.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Alzheimer's, and so like I would show to practice and
she would you forget my name.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
It was like depressing.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But no, during that time I was learning to read music,
you know, and learning ballet and as an adult now,
so who loves music so much to the point where
I'm even recording and putting it out. I'm like laughing
because when I'm in the studio, I cannot I cannot
explain to you the jealousy that I have over producers
who can listen to things by ear and like figure
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things out.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I don't have that. I hate all of you.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I just want to say that I know you are
I hate that. I hate all of you, like I'm
the type of person okay.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
That's see no, but no, no, no, get fuck you.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
There is like a magic that people like you have
because I mean, wow, like people that you can like
jump in.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Oh my god, I know.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
It's like if you don't put the book in front
of me, and still I've been a story for five years.
I think it'll take me twenty more years for me
to even get a fraction of what you.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Have, because it's like, yes, it's a talent, but it's
also a gift.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And I yeah, it's also a gift, you know, because
so I certinly I'm not wired that way. I'd have
to rewire my fuck you, I hate you.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
No, talk to me about that because it also when I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Going with that to the point is that it makes
for like an even more interesting collaborative experience because it's
not so much limitations.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
As much as a musical.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Education can provide me with, it also limits me because like,
I know, people are jumping.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
In and maybe I can be like, okay, that's maybe
a minor guess I go.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But more importantly, like how to add to that in
a way that's not full technical. It's very freeing and
allows for things to get done faster. So I'm like, welcome,
maybe on flow, what's up talk to me about that.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
That's super interesting. So, like I said before, at the beginning,
when I started, maybe I had the talent. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I started, but I wasn't super good at it. So
I feel like it's like it's like a muscle that
you know when you go to the gym and you
work out, and you work that muscle inside of your head.
Like as far as like production and sounds, sound designing
and all of this, I feel like that plays a big,
big role, just to just to always and least put
one or two hours every day every day. As far
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as that the technical part, I'm not too technical when
it comes to like I did learn a lot from
a couple of my friends that went to food Stale
Fuss in Orlando is one of the biggest music school. Yeah,
so I learned a lot from them as far as
like when it comes to engineering when it comes to
the sound design, and they were a little.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Bit more technical than I am. I just go with
it feels good.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I always said, right around the studio, I don't even
go what sounds good, No, what feels good to me?
Speaker 4 (17:18):
That's it. That's the one that I'm going to go with.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So yeah, it's all about just putting that work and
then just always always practicing and practicing and practice.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Mean Scott our song.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So honest, I know you're enjoying what you're hearing. But
we'll be right back right after these messages that take no.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Same way we hand this. I got to where.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
That go on.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Not in aside from like music production for a soccer,
let's talk about culture, Like what is it if you
have some name like oh no, that was like things
that you appreciate in the music culture. I don't care
if it's Angle, Latin, whatever. What what are you appreciating
right now? That's existing I'm appreciating right now and represent Oka.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Like a good crowd, Columbia, Puerto.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Rico and I you know it, their ambassador, their.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Ambassador and yeah, and they're going harder. I love that.
I really really really love the way they're doing their thing.
Everybody got their own different sound.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
You know that there was one point that Golbai sound
the same, But now I feel like there's a lot
of people sounding like themselves.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, yes, I love that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I love that you went here because this is something
I say all the time. I don't know how many
sensacilies across these different interviews, but this is something that
I want to see more, and especially you know, as
a Caribbean. I don't want to see Caribbeans assigned as
a as a costume of people who are not Caribbean.
I want to hear esha from people who are from Argentina.
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I want to hear like I want to I want no,
but I know me right, I said, and Thong said,
I want to know how to flirt in like all of.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
These different nationalities.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Like why is it? And I said it earlier people
are gonna make fun of at this point, but like
why why do we know how to say?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
But like I want to know how to say that
in like in Argentine and in Chilean and Colombian and
and everything in Brazilian. I want to know how to
say that, and I want to hear that, and I
want to hear these different make sense. I think that's
what's next. I'm glad you went there because everybody can't
be bad. Everybody can be bad, buy you know everybody
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can't be gou you.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Know, but look at Gasu. She's killing it over there.
Look at look at and I get on Mexican that
is killing it right now. Shout out to Abby, you
love her, and by a gas you know, like I
feel like everybody.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Shout out to Michael and Michael Man he was like, da,
so let's do it, and let's make it a colorful.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You know, dope ass beach.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Like, I don't want grains of sand from one place
being copied from other.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I don't know I'm getting I'm glad you went.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
There, especially because I mean, I agree with you the
other part you said. At one point, I was like,
oh my god, you know I'm a historian.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I'm gonna love it. I get on clearly.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And I used to get so mad when people are like,
oh all I get them sounds is say, I'm like, no,
it don't that got that sound very different from Found Bond,
sounds very different from Gasolina, sounds very different from.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Daon on and on and on.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I'm honest with you, chief, Like, at.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Some point I was just like, Okay, we're starting to
get to a place where and I won't name the
artists because I respect them too much. Where a certain
favorite of mine was releasing more music and essentially I
was like, oh wait, I love you and I will
say their name. I will not because I love them,
(21:39):
I really do, and I feel like they're going to
stop doing this, I hope. So they were releasing music
like recently and I was like, no, bro, you have
three other songs a sound just like that one.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
What are we doing?
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Like, what what is that?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
You know?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
It could be a lieble thing with it.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Also could be maybe you need to have another team's
productions writers. Yeah, different writers just search around and you know,
bounce around from that or maybe that's the that's the
player that.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
They go that for it to be out.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Because they have such an expansive like discography, I was like, like,
I will defend to the ends of the earth, but this,
I'm not getting jiggy with this like this, this, this
gave me anxiety because I can't defend this. They're actually
right people who have been saying this for years and
more importantly, you know, and I love to hear your
(22:36):
take on this. From a production standpoint, Reggaeton has more
than one movement, more than one sound. It's one genre,
but like I be I Mananteo, Romnticqueo, I sud Leader,
you know, and a lot of these have like Caribbean
ass like spensers, but there.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Are some the revatives that like, yo, y'all can make
it your own, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So I would have to hear your take on that,
on the diversity of reggaeton and what you would like
to see what that could consider it?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (23:12):
I love I love everything that's going on with it,
you know.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I the romantic Okay, what I love now to see
now now they're mixing afrobeats.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, that's amazing. Great.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I feel like that's a new wave that's that's coming hard.
Everybody like bro the afro beats, you know what I'm saying.
You like the romantic crazy crazy? You got the Columbian
artist that's super big, I believe, and it's amazing. He's
doing a great, great, great job.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
So yeah, so it's more like just diving in without
any limitations and just diving in and creating those crossovers,
crossover sounds, you know, Like I like to mix a lot.
Now I'm playing around with a lot of house sounds.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, you know that's a big thing.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Now, somebody yeah, it's fired, like you know, just just
being free with it, being free with it and disarment.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Shout out to you forgiving me my flowers. You talk
about me.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
I love get.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Oh my god, it was crazy, guys.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I'm excited. Do you believe that crossovers truly exists?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And what I'm going with that is, oh my god,
that's been like a topic of conversation.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I feel like since the people are like, oh, yeah,
you know, we want Snoop Dogg with that Yankee and
gigs the zone or like, you know, that's what we've
seen than the BET Awards in the early two thousands, and.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I'm over here like.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
As a black person, nothing that aside, there's that's not
a crossover as black.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
People doing black ship. I know, like I just I
got it in the industry that like it's that market versus.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
This working I know that's or what it is just market.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Diaspora, which is what my primary concern is. It's like
I'm just like it goes together, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Market wise kind of like you knows, no, we named
a crossover yeah on the day, So I'm going, yeah, that's.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
That's probably what it comes down to. It's more like
just from one market to the other.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
As far as sonically, okay, you know all right, I put.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
My emotions aside. We gotta be business first. Money money, money.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, well, Chris, thank you so much for being here.
I talk the press me hand at an approxima. I'll
see you. Suh. Why not? That's nothing happened from me.
Let's hear from Keisha.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Let me a persona, a Panamanian creater. We have profound
respect words. Wanna bring mama, Let's get into it as
my way. I'm super excited because I'm here again. She's
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here two times, not once, but twice.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
No, how you doing, girl, I'm good, I'm good. How
are you?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I'm good? Aki, that's right, yes, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
There's so many different directions I want to go to
with you, Rale are quick questions, but.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I want you to go off like.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
First and foremost. I have to because I believe you're
the first other fem I've had on the show. I
had post the first I've had both shut out to Augustine.
But as far as a woman, yeah, like this is
the first.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Let's go. This is a moment. Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
With that saying, talk to me about your afro Bain pride,
because God knows you have a lot of it. Girl,
You've inspiring me, like I got to pick myself.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Up, I know.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
And it's funny because I was actually thinking about this earlier,
being you know, first of all, all Panamanian people, we
go out, we find each other. I probably started stalking
you just because Panamanians. Yes, let me click that follow
button everybody. I don't care if I know you're not.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
I'm clicking the follow button.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
Yeah, but it is it is interesting because yes, I
was born in Panama.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
My family's from chot Yo.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
My mother was the only one who came over to
the stations, and she's got like twenty brothers and sisters.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
So I know I'm related to like the entire country.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
I know, I know, and they I know and they
are still there, so we I mean, that connection runs deep.
But even when we came over here, we always found
a way to find our communities of Panamanian people in
California or Long Beach. We I mean, I got a
lot of family members here then, like cousins, my mom's
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cousins who were able to come over who are there.
But something I was thinking of that's interesting is just
being Panamanian. And it's something that like you, as people
can see, we probably sound completely different. You sound like
everybody I know, and here I am with no accent
at all, and that is something people would always hit
(28:30):
me with, like your Panamanian. You don't even sound like
any Panamanian. I know, I don't sound like anybody.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
First of all, I feel like so first.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Of all, I was raised by Dominicans and Puerto Rican
so I don't even sound like what a Panamanian should
sound like, whatever that means. But you, I feel like
there's always a cadence that we have whether we're speaking
in English or in Spanish, and I feel like you have. You.
If I had to close my eyes and I didn't
know you, I swear to gud like, I'd be like
m it would either go panaman or Costa.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Rican or just natural that yeah when you talk.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
So I'm like and first of all, and second of all,
some people they'd be like, oh, you don't sound Pedamana.
They don't even know what Pedamana sound like.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
I know, I know, I know, I said, because the
English sounds completely different than the Spanish. You get the
English and sometimes it sounds like patois with a little
bit of a Latin swag in there. But there would
be times I used to work as a flight attendant
and people would get on the plane and as soon
as I hear them speaking, I was like, that's my
people right there, and everybody around me like, what are
you talking about? Like, I can bet anything that that
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person is from Panama. That's a Panamanian person.
Speaker 8 (29:38):
I can hear it. I hear my people. I know
what we who we are. I don't know what it is,
but we just know what we sound like.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I love it. I love it. I love it. I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And on this same note of pedaman and pride and identity,
DMA like, what was your experience growing up with music?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Like? Was it more reggae for you? More dance hall? More?
I get the child, But what was it for you?
What was that like for you?
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Oh, this is very interesting. So growing up when we came,
there's a part of California we moved to, and we
ended up moving to like a Mexican community. So my
mom like listening to a lot of their music. But
at the same time, even now, it is hilarious because
my mother still attends a lot of the Panamanian fests
that happened all over the world, and when anybody hears
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our music, because it's not the stuff you're hearing now.
It's old school stuff and the lyrics are so raunchy,
and I probably had no room were you working for
those mix CDs they would make back in the day,
and we would have our mixtapes.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
Honestly, they would make back in the day and the
beat was just a point.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
But when you were actually listening to the lyrics, it's like,
I had no no reason singing half of the stuff
I was singing, I'm talking about yes, yes, so even
I like recently, my mom took one of her friends
to one of the Panamania festivals that happened in Austin, and.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
The lady was like, okay, well what is he saying?
Speaker 7 (31:08):
And when we translated, she was like collecting her pearls
because she's like, they're saying what I was like, I
know it sounds kind of bad as English, but this
is what people were listening to. It was like reggae
and Espanol. It wasn't really the they get throne that
you're used to now. It was the old school stuff
or maybe even something that sounded similar to like tight
(31:30):
up skirt. You remember tight up skirt da, So it's
like yeah, when people I was like, I was like,
the the lyrics are probably different. It was more not
that they get thron that we're listening. We're used to now.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
It was diggae in Espanol. It was just a little
bit different, though probably a literal erasier.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
No, as you're talking, I'm getting flashbacks like when my mom.
It's so funny my parents they didn't let me listen
to hip hop growing up.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
They're like, why I'm just listening to that candy shop? No,
my dad.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
But I was already telling my girlfriend the other day, like,
but buppy would let me listen.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
To John Mayer. Your body's a wonder then, like, let's
be for real because he's like musica you can't even
hear the instruments, guess, And I'm just like like, are
you that?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
But but how you listen to music and Spanish? Because
a they underestimated how much I understood. I'm like, okay,
if you like it.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
But then when me so with us, yeah, it was
I don't know, it's like I kind of pop up.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
But then when me like Ragaton.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I always loved it from the moment I heard it Thata,
so like I loved the Raggaton and they they didn't
object to it. But let me put on some dance
hall and it's World War three. I cannot because and
dance is always a tease, right because the mad And
then I think a vi Cirtil He's like, mayple say
(33:04):
love your luck Bible?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
What excuse me?
Speaker 8 (33:08):
They just throwing it around, throwing it around.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
My mother one thing, Jamaicans are not oscar to do,
and where's Jamaican perman and like what this?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So it just hits harder because my mom speaks yeah,
like she's like she's, you know, planning for all the
things I'm about to learn in church that next Sunday.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
So not real, very real.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
And then I used to actually I used to live
in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
When I became a flight attendant, I was based in
sand One, So this was a different time.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
This was way.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
This was when you know, Looney Tunes was still like that.
That's that's the stuff I like listening to. Now, yes
I'm gonna listen to Bad Buddy obviously, but I do
like taking it back and I'm listening to Crazy Hill
or when Hector Father was still you know, doing his things,
so and the mass slow was still coming out.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
So it's like, man, it was a good time to
be living in pr I.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Am completely and utterly jealous. Yeah when that came out,
I was in the sixth grade. So no, what I
mean by that is that I first of all, and
I love that we're talking about this because that these
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people are talking about Yeah twenty one, I was late.
I was like for free, yes, section, I was so mad.
I was like, this is not Ladisco that they told
us about it.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Right right, like this is a very It was a
good time. Yeah, back then it was a good time.
I was like, oh my gosh, yes, my dear, completely
and utterly yeah, it was a good time to be
living down there.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
And I love that you had that experience called their
music is lit.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I love them, Yeah, I DIDJ now so putting like
Mexican music with like media, it's always like that that synergy.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
I love even now.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
I still love Medinga And it's just even if it's
just that simple beat I I do I listen to,
I will still.
Speaker 8 (35:13):
Put on like old because I mean I'm talking about
the old stuff too, because I do.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
I feel like I'm one of the few people who
still listens to Medingae, so I do.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Med is still alive, girl. But I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
I know it was just getting good. But we'll be
right back right after these messages, ma'amon.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You're someone of the culture, you know, like you're online,
you see all the different discussions, the debates. They're endless
and they're a little exhausting. Right twenty twenty five, some
things have got to give in my opinion, but I
want to hear yours, Like, what is that you want
to see more of in the culture? What do you
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want to see change? What do you want to see
is like let go of like I want your take.
Speaker 7 (36:40):
Honestly, I feel like it's still the same thing where
we want to see more of our black representation, but
not the cliche black representation because for a while, what
everybody got on the afrol like the in a bandwagon.
Everybody wanted us to be like a Madla Negra and
nothing again is her. You know, she's a beautiful Dominican woman,
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love or down. But we're not all, you know, walking
around with accents.
Speaker 8 (37:11):
Doing that. You know, some of us are just like me.
You know, even though like we were talking.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Yeah, I still have my Panamanian presence, but there are
still a lot of us who might not speak Spanish.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Who are I want people to let go of that
one too.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Who might not speak Spanish, who might not have that
certain look that you feel like after Latinas are supposed
to look like or what they're supposed to be doing.
Like I call myself a black woman because I am
legit about a black woman. And there are some times
where people will be like, oh, I didn't know you
were so and so because what I call myself black
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if the two are not mutually exclusive, you know what
I mean. So looking for this cliche version of an
afrol Latina, you gotta expand your minds because some of
them are like me.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
Some of them are listening a master p or whatever.
Speaker 7 (38:10):
Some of them are listening, some of them are are
just we come from different parts, and it'll be sometimes
where I'll look at some of my cousins, I'm like,
oh my god, they're so good, but they're no less Panamanian.
Like we we all get together and everybody's still eating
a South so it's whatever.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
But yeah, I feel like there's a lot of cliche.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
Even when people are still seen after Latinos, they still
want this cliche, water down version of us.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I so love that you went there. I so love
that you spoken language.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I want to tease that more because it's not just
that some people don't speak Spanish, which.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Let's be for real. Some people hold on to stereotypes
because a they've jilped their entire identity around it.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
They don't know any better, but not knowing any better
in twenty twenty five, with all the resources out there
is a choice, right and see, you know, I feel like,
you know, some people hold on to stereotypes because our cliches,
because they want to feel better than other people. And
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it's like, bro, okay, like your Latinia is gonna be
different than other people. Right, And on that note of language,
So I have been noticing like a lot of conversation
online regarding like, oh, because in regards to language, right,
I'm Panomaia, you're panama In there's a lot of Jamaicans,
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a lot of AFOs who want to Panama and worked
on the canal. So my last names, both of them
still hyphenated still in that tradition of very Latin. You know,
we got to do last names, but they're both like
Anglo as fucked yes Equestin and I don't say the
other one on the internet because its privacy. But my
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entire point is that you know that's Latina because in
the context of Latinisa that exists too. So people get
really stupid in my opinion, because they'll be like, oh,
Las Senora Johnson or La Senora yes, and it's like
or La Senora Harriet, and.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I'm like, that's very common, like very.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Expand p s A because like Noriguez or or I
can't even speak right now, Abo yeah, sorry, I'm Dominican.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
Just just the cliche version like what they think a
Latino last name should be. It's like, oh, but your
last name is Greed or Cruise, like.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Everyone's not, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
And I'm like, bro, this exists outside of that, and
to do this in twenty twenty five is a fucking choice.
Speaker 7 (41:03):
And yeah, I'm also tired of the diaspore wars that
we see online too.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I don't like too and like, okay, you get into it.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I really am tired like this, So I love that
I'm able to have this comment with you because truly,
like in twenty twenty five, right, there's so many like,
oh my god, I'll principio I was attacked, not attacked.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
That was appross a lot by people who are like,
but you.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Know, so you a persona mala and criminal and like
I had to educate people and like, it's not about criminality, baby,
it's about it's about they can get you, so they
will and for a long time, you know, going to
person negros, but people are quickly understanding.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Solo like yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Know, trying, but like that it has the principal thing
is about like subjugation and you are subjecated, you are marginalized.
So I don't mean to talk about this with you.
I love Sorry, I'm talking a lot. I'd love to
hear your team on this whole thing, because what have
you been processing as an aga watching Latinos rally up
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about ice and all this, because it's really it's really
a mindfuck for me. I'm like, Black people have been
talking about this for generations and some people are only
tapping in now because it's only affecting them, which is
when are we going to talk about that, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 8 (42:28):
Right, It's interesting.
Speaker 7 (42:30):
I saw somebody posts on social media and I and
let me please encourage you to take the breaks off
of social media whenever you feel like you have to,
especially because we live in a time where you can
get in trouble at work for saying certain things on
social media and you.
Speaker 8 (42:48):
Don't want to let these people affect their paper.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
But I do.
Speaker 7 (42:52):
I see every now and then comments about you know
where black people will be like, well, I'm not saying
anything about Ice because it has nothing to do with us.
I'm sorry, but I could have swore they were Ice
was rolling up on people in Chicago, on Haitians, on
a lot of people who look like us, like they
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they don't care. They are trying to deport American citizens.
Speaker 8 (43:16):
At this point. So it is all of our problem,
period period.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
And I think, you know, to summarize all of that,
it's like we have a like people of color, we
have a collective that's not my problem problem And the
bottom line is is that it affects everybody. It's just
it's a matter of one. It's your turn, you know. Yeah,
It's like for a lot of people, this has been
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a real awakening. But you know, nonetheless, we've been, Yes,
we've been, we've been.
Speaker 8 (43:53):
We've been trying to tell y'all, oh my god, trying
to tell.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
You okay, and to to bring it to a lighter note.
I want to bring it back to music. Who have
you been listening to? Who whose music have you really
been connecting to?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
And who are your top three? So I need to
get that from you.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, you're
gonna do this to me. I will say Plan b
always stays in my top.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
I do listen to them a lot lately. Have I
turned back on Well.
Speaker 7 (44:31):
I won't even say back on Bad Bunny because he
don't ever like. He is still in I have my
what do you call him? Playlist, so he's definitely in there.
I I like listening to older stuff. I'm not saying
that I don't enjoy like newer artists, but if it would,
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I do.
Speaker 8 (44:56):
I like listening to my old stuff. That's just really
how I am. So let me let me see.
Speaker 7 (45:00):
I'm actually going to I have to. Oh my gosh,
I can't believe you asked me this. Let me tell
you what I was listening to. I still like old.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I do.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
I remember going to uh Donald Mar's, like, I mean,
not Donald Mar even though yeah, what's his name? Doddy Yankees'
last show, like not too long ago, and I really
enjoyed that performance.
Speaker 8 (45:29):
But Mark Anthony, for real, I love me some Mark Anthony.
Speaker 7 (45:34):
He's not rega Thon, but I will listening to I
will listen to him all day long.
Speaker 8 (45:43):
When we're talking about old old people, old people, not people.
Oh my gosh, I didn't even mean to say it
like that. Oh my gosh, I don't know. It's all
over the place. It's all over the place.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
YEA.
Speaker 8 (46:02):
My top three would probably be like plan B.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
I need a song, girl, I need songs.
Speaker 8 (46:07):
Oh you want a song?
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Let me see? What's the name?
Speaker 7 (46:11):
Not mebe Sina, what's the other one? Oh my gosh,
I can't believe you're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
This to me. Let me. I'm I'm.
Speaker 7 (46:22):
Okay, uh huh anatica CENSOI let's go. I I do
enjoy that song.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (46:34):
It's something about it I enjoy.
Speaker 7 (46:35):
Remember when they get THN songs used to have that
intro where it sounded like.
Speaker 8 (46:42):
I can't even describe the intro but you know what
I'm talking about. The intro soundings you in.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
It's like it's like it's like the preparation for what's
body Yeah before the beat drops.
Speaker 7 (46:52):
Yeah, I like that one. Oh my god, I feel
like I need to come back to this. No, no,
I feel like we need to come back to this.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
You can look at your phone if you need to.
Do you remember that?
Speaker 7 (47:07):
Yes? Because the thing is I have so much I
listened to, especially different genres. I have so many genres
I listened to, even if it's like reggae or just
like like Spanish music in general, like even I'll always
go back to and hinted out to even though I
would he stays on the playlist. Tavest Boyna always stays
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on the on the playlist. There was I think there
was this song.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Was it La?
Speaker 8 (47:40):
Who had that one song?
Speaker 1 (47:41):
You know?
Speaker 8 (47:42):
I can't I don't know what it was, but it
sounded real like what was the name of that song?
You know what I'm talking about? And the beat kind
of was just maybe that was it?
Speaker 7 (47:55):
Yeah that I don't remember hearing too many other songs,
but then I like Monchi Alexandra, I.
Speaker 8 (48:04):
I love them still.
Speaker 7 (48:08):
I don't even know if the song was called ojaim
Blanco or wella like I'm sing the whole, I'm sing
the whole.
Speaker 8 (48:15):
Yeah, Ohaian Blanco was another one that stayed on on
reefs heat.
Speaker 7 (48:20):
Oh my gosh, you're gonna have to edit this real
game because I've got too many you got, I've got
too many.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
So now that you got the three, you got fan Blanco,
if you just want to say them in a road
so it'll be easier.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
For me to edit.
Speaker 8 (48:38):
Yes, yes, so I guess.
Speaker 7 (48:41):
Yeah, my top three would be and it's they're not
all reg songs, just music and Spanish period fatico, but
I and Ohaian Blanco. Yeah, there's always like you gotta
add some but chat in there. Even though I that
I really do love Mark Anthony. I could listen to
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all of his albums, so I can't tell you one
song by him, but all of his albums they're still puting.
Cipio was probably one of my favorite albums, so by him,
I love it.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
And to top off, you have said something that I
truly love. You said that you were making a comment
on the intros of Saton.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Do you miss that? What do you miss and right
now or what do you want to see.
Speaker 8 (49:27):
I miss when you had like a gang of people
on a track.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Like it was.
Speaker 8 (49:36):
It was.
Speaker 7 (49:37):
It was it was like my slow music and then
it's like the Lonely Tones would be on there, and
then you'd have everybody you would it was like on
Hill would be on there, then you'd have like they
go on the track or even it was just like
I missed songs where there was like thirty people on
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one song. I know that sounds real funny, but it
was back to the day. It was like it was
like a big mixtape. It probably was considered a mixtape.
Who knows, because.
Speaker 8 (50:09):
It was I missed mixtapes. I guess when thirty people
were on one song.
Speaker 7 (50:16):
And yeah, you could just dance to it, you could
just vibe out to it, and it wasn't like a
bunch of and nobody was.
Speaker 8 (50:24):
It wasn't just a bunch of drama. I don't know.
I guess because when I think about.
Speaker 7 (50:29):
Those songs, it was during a different time period in
my life, so a lot of the music, I like
to call it it was like the soundtrack to my life.
So it was it was a time where you just
kind of didn't have a care in the world. You
didn't have a bunch of bills, kids, and you know,
you was just trying to go out and have a
good time.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
So that it is.
Speaker 7 (50:48):
Sometimes my husband and I are just sitting back talking
and if he hears a song, he's like, oh, this
reminds me of like my old car, this reminds me of.
Speaker 8 (50:57):
When I lived and blah blah blah.
Speaker 7 (50:58):
And it does whenever we hear certain songs, it reminds
us of a certain time in our life.
Speaker 8 (51:03):
So I do love that.
Speaker 7 (51:07):
That part of my life was when I was living
in pr I had just became a flight attendant, and
so it was just a good feeling.
Speaker 8 (51:14):
We didn't have a care in the world. We would
sit on the beach on our days off.
Speaker 7 (51:19):
It would be Thanksgiving and Christmas and we would still
be chilling on the beach and it was just a
good time. So I think that's what I love about
that time that music. It reminded me of a real
time in my life where I just didn't have a
care in the world. I love it.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
And if you had to give a shout out to
anyone or anything, what would it be.
Speaker 8 (51:43):
A shout out to anyone or any thing, dang, I
don't know. That's hard.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Am I back to shout out girl, sage girl, I
don't know, girl, Panamaan community, girl, it is.
Speaker 8 (51:54):
All of my Panamanian community out here.
Speaker 7 (51:56):
Yes, if right, if you see in these internet streets
follow assistance, Sally, I do.
Speaker 8 (52:04):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (52:05):
Yes, my Panamanian community, we knew we do. We need
to all get together and hang out, have another little
reunion somewhere.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (52:11):
I'm trying to in any era. Panamanians in Arizona too,
hit me up.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
I love it. I'm going thank you so much for
joining me here at hanging make sure to show you
sure some love. So you gotta child.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
I know it was just getting good. So we'll be
right back right after these messages somewhere on.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Okay, ma hand, I want to get into a couple
of things. I want to get into why mom Danny
is my mayor although I'm residing in LA and to
get into that, let me bring you back in time
real quick. So, first of all, in November last year four,
I had the pleasure of speaking with David Ryand of
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CNN on the topic of the Latin novo.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
If if you hear the interview. You'll know that I
brought up the points that Latinos are not a monolithic group.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
We look different, act and socialize differently, and vote differently.
In twenty twenty five, we're all heavily aware of the
election results, and I bring this up not to vote
that I was on CNN or about Trump winning, but
about the first many times hopefully, but to bring this
point up as well. I was asked who I was
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voting for, and I expressed feeling unsure, and I remember
David being like, huh, for lack of a better expression.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
He was taken aback. Now some of y'all are hearing this,
like huh.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
But before you cut me up, hear me out, jennacide,
Oh yeah, we're going There isn't something I'm willing to
look past.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
And I'm not alone.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
In twenty twenty, we were so tired of all of
the shenanigans that Trump and his administration exemplify. We voted
for We just we were tired. We were like, damn,
let's just get this guy out of here. But here's
the thing. In twenty twenty four, people weren't willing to
repeat the same action with the same enthusiasm I'm sorry,
you know, and I'm one of those people because just
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because we're all collectively educated enough to understand the mass
absorption of issues by the two parties, it's done for it.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Like there's it's not flying no more.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
I need you guys to hear me, Like, just because
they are two parties doesn't mean that we have to
vote for one or the other just because if we
don't get one, we'll get the other.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
We're tired of that. We deserve better than that, ohsaya,
We're trying to fight for better than that.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Deserve is a very strong word. Let's say things for
what they are. But Ma Black Clado and the Democratic Party,
there's a significant ideological split.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
They're the moderates and the progressives.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
And sadly, the way the party is operating, they won't
split because they know it'll create a massive shift and
quite frankly, the Moderates, which attracts an older, more conservative group, will.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
Lose by landslides.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
They don't want to give it to us young people
during elections, and I'm talking local and at the state level.
In any two party system, absorbing all of the issues
results in squashing descent.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
I swear I'm not trying to explain for.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
The million times why people did not vote for Kamala,
but instead why people are voting for Mamdani.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
I hope that I'm not being.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Premature because obviously we don't have the results yet by
saying that this election has great potential to be the
perfect case study as to what a successful contemporary progressive
election looks like at the local level, but also what
people actually want and phasis on actually want. So yes,
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Mamdani is my mayor all the way from outside New York,
but also these are you know, I'm just echoing what
people in Tokyo, all over Europe, even in Latin America
as we're seeing online are saying, and from different states
of wealth as well. Because the general public are tired
of being treated like they're stupid. Okay, so PSA the
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Democrats like this is you can't run campaigns like you
used to in the sixties, seventies, eighties, like it is
a new time. We're in the information age, and to
treat people like they don't know things is honestly silly
in twenty twenty five, So this whole gaslighting and being
diplomatic and just not addressing issues head on, people aren't
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standing for that anymore.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
Do with that which you will.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
And with that said, taking a stance is the most
effective way to get this generation to pay you any mind.
So instead of moving diplomatically, I don't know, I'll come
back to you with that, Hakim Jeffries, it's giving. Just
be clear on APAC the issues with billionaires throwing their
influence around when no more, and quality of life more importantly,
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like most importantly, people are indeed tired of being resilient,
and this country is embarrassing. How embarrassing is it that
we have all of the resources but people still don't
know how they're gonna eat, don't know how they're gonna
pay their rent, don't know how they're going to pay.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
Their medical bills. It's embarrassing. We are embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
We have the highest GDP in the world and an
ability to put to be equitable, but this country chooses
not to because it hates black people.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Like that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
Okay, moving on, Trump is doing whatever is in his
latest project twenty twenty five Man Date. We're all aware
of that. We're watching in real time, we're feeling the effects.
But let's talk about the reconstruction of the White House
East Wind because honestly, it's pissing me off.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
The truth is, I.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Wish it were illegal what he was doing. That way
we'd have a way to stop him, but unfortunately it's not.
Presidents have made renovations to the White House over the
course of history.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
This is nothing new. I am not particularly patriotic.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
I'm not, and so I'm not really losing my mind
over the fact that we're losing the East wing preservation
of history.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
Look this history.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
It's historical that that building was built by slaves. It's
historical that just I don't know this twenty acres and
a mule thing. African American people are old. I don't know, bro,
It's kind of where I'm at until that happens. I
just patriotism is really hard for me. And so with
that said, all right, girl, why are you mad?
Speaker 1 (59:40):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (59:40):
I think him demolishing this is actually a perfect metaphor
for what over zealous, uneducated right wing Nazis want to
do with this country. They want to knock down everything
that stands for progress and replace it with something symbolizing
the ignorance and inferiority.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
It's clear as day, but the name calling aside.
Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
What I really want to call attention to, and what
I really cared to really comment on, is that I
just want to acknowledge that in twenty twenty five, Washington
Post is not owned by Basils, and I don't think
it's merely a coincidence that the publication defended the reconstruction
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without mentioning in the article that he's one of the
private donors to this new ballroom, honestly, and it's like,
you know what, I unfortunately have to take everything from
this publication with the grain of salt going forward, and
if you care about unbiased reporting aka ethics, you should too.
(01:00:47):
Moving on, Gavin Newsom got on a podcast I don't
know which one it was and notably shared that the
right saying anti woke is just the euphemism for anti black.
And that's great, you know, that's that's great, super glad
a white man is speaking up for the black people.
Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Let's go, we need all the allies.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
But at the same time, it's a symptom of a
larger endemic issue I want to address because like, boy,
whereuld you get that from?
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Where you get that from?
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
In twenty twenty five, there are people who are fighting
you know, fighting finding their voices, finding their voices, and
they're fighting online and I love that, but like, there's
also this thing that's going on where people are copying
rhetoric by black women, bar for bar, even with the
attitude attached or non attitude attached or ebonics cessicio like
(01:01:43):
bar for bar just sounding like black women.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
And I don't think that's cool.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
It's honestly giving when gay white men are like, oh
my god, my inner Black women don't do that shit,
Like so, all right, do you want people to speak
up or not?
Speaker 8 (01:01:57):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
But can you cite your sources?
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
I think part of what it means to be progressive
or to simply do things right, it's the other people
who've come before you. I think I speak for a
lot of people, intellectuals, black women in general. At it's
those who see things from an aphrodise peric lens and
and or who fuck with me that it is cool
(01:02:22):
to get that sound bite from him.
Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
But also, now more than ever, we are in.
Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
This political state because people were adamant about not listening
to black women. So if you're gonna be doing all
of that, the least you could do is cite us.
You see, and Lastly, this Kiki Palmer Southern fried Rice controversy.
I'm a huge Kiki Palmer fan, and I think that
(01:02:54):
the show is a mess conceptually. It's just a mess
for me. I'm gonna tell you why. First of all,
the name leaves much to debate, and I feel like
it's interesting, to say the least. I really don't have
more than us Southern fried Rice. I think, honestly, like
(01:03:16):
it doesn't really bother me too much. It is interesting,
like it does really encapsulate blackness and Asianness for all
intents and purposes. So honestly, like, if that's the intention
that hit the nail on the head, doesn't bother me
so much.
Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
But what does bother me?
Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Said respectfully, it's just I feel like there's way too
much costuming of black culture. I mean black in a
diasporic sense, so black like African American, black, like from
anywhere else in the world, internationality here, just black people
(01:03:56):
in general.
Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
I think we are costumed way too much.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
People are very comfortable putting on our culture and then
thinking as long as they shout us out, the thing's
all good. And I say, in twenty twenty five, that's
not enough it's not enough if there was more like
equity than sure, but there isn't, and so I'm operating
on for the fact that black people are old, and
(01:04:21):
because we're old, I just don't think it's productive to
produce something where you know, another culture is immersed into
ours and we're giving it away. It's just really not productive,
is my number one critique here. I do appreciate the
(01:04:45):
heart and all of this. I do appreciate that the
blasions exist. I do appreciate that she was trying to
hit things from a different perspective and the fact that
she has KEYTV network.
Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I mean, come on, Kikeep.
Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
I'm a huge fan and I always give your flowers
and it's amazing that you own this and then you
have this initiative. I just feel like the curation of
it all, it's just it's not productive. And so I'm excited,
honestly to see what happens next, because I think from
this you can only learn from it. But I'd be
(01:05:20):
lying if I said that, you know, while reading the
descriptions and the the critiques online, that the concept just
doesn't give me anxiety.
Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
It does, and it does because we are old, and
I think as a priority. We need a fight for that.
And I think other cultures need to demonstrate two black people,
especially in the context of the US African American people.
You know, genuine culture.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I don't mean like one person. I don't mean like
one representative either. I mean like on a lactivistic sort
of No. People need to start show and love to
African Americans and everything that they blood and sweat for,
because the amnesia is real.
Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
The amnesia is reel.
Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Twenty twenty five people don't know why they have the
rights that they have, and twenty twenty five people don't get,
you know, the privileges that they have that they are
in fact privileges.
Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
So I just don't think it's productive.
Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
And that's my take, and that's all I got for
La La La at the Semana. It's got at some
shown as you know what time it is, It's time.
I last Floresta as an I Heard Media production co
executive produced by Nonette Shakezy Media. The Kiero produced by
(01:06:47):
Grace Gonzalez. The Kiero edited by Walking Coutler. Like Kyero,
shout out to my production assistance Naomi Asado and Kayla Ecleston.
Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
I'm your host.
Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
And EP like so You're right here next week A
key and iHeart and everywhere you listen. I should have
listened Download Chair and showed some love love out loud
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