All The Coal Kids Are Doing It: Larry Wayne Price Jr.

He worked his way into the executive level of the coal industry. Where he was let in on a dirty little secret. Crime was rampant in the coal industry. So, Larry Wayne Price Jr. did what any self-respecting wannabe would do, he also got heavy into crime. One dreamhouse later and things were looking good. But when his scams and schemes collapsed and Price tried to escape, not even a made-up outlaw bike gang could save him. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Elizabeth.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
Aaron Burnett yells, so and so, I.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Love seeing the smile on your face when you walk
in the door. Sometimes, thanks, I mean all the time.
I like seeing it. But like sometimes you walk in
with a smile. You don't always walk in with a smile,
but I always like it when you do.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
It's drugs.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well keep doing it because I've been hitting this.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
New street drug called Adville. Oh yeah, good stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Do you like that?

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
The kid's pushing it on you nice.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
I like to ride the vill.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I got a question for you. Yes, do you know
it's ridiculous?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I do know it's ridiculous. Let me give you a
little backstory. This isn't going to take a whole long.
I officiated a friend's wedding a few years back, and
another friend of mine Lisa, Lisa, if you're listening, I'm
about to tell the story. We're talking the night before,
and I told her that when I was doing the

(00:57):
you know, officiating, I was gonna before I got up,
rub chocolate pudding across my teeth and do the whole
ceremony like that. And then she was calling me old
pudden tooth and we oh, we laughed, Saren, Saren, we laughed.
We still talk about it occasionally this day, Old Pudden Tooth,

(01:18):
So keeping that in mind, there's a toothcare brand called
His Smile, And I think I've talked about them before
doing stuff probably, And so you think, like, well, if
I was old Pudden tooth, I need to use toothpaste
to get the pudding off my teeth before I officiated
a wedding.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Right, I'm so praying this is not a mashup.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Well, the Lord doesn't always answer her boy's prayers because
His Smile has teamed up with Reeses to offer Reese's
like peanut butter cup toothpaste, so.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
To be like a cadberry egg Easter thing.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
No, it's just peanut butter cup toothpaste, so you too
can be old put in tooth? Do you put it?
It tastes like recy cups, but with a cool finish,
as they say, so it's it's sugar free, don't worry
about it has floride in it. Sorry RFK parents, It

(02:20):
says it delivers the signature Reese's flavor, although I prefer
the Southern pronunciation of recy cups up front before finishing
with his smiles cooling after feel it's only his.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Smile is just interesting branding.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
There's a lot going on there, like yeah, but also
it reminds me of those ads like during football season
where it's like, oh, we got to be nice to
each other and it's like an ad for Jesus. Well,
his smile sounds like Jesus toothpaste, like because it's capital.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
H okay, like the Lord's smile.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, but not in this case because it looks like
it looks like lot when you put it on there.
And so here's the thing. You can only get it
in Australia and New Zealand via his smile website. So
they're attacking the Southern hemisphere first before they.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Move north, doing some test marketing down there.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah. So if you want to be put in tooth jones,
this is a way to do it and clean your
teeth at the same time. And for anyone listening in
New Zealand and Australia, do not spend the money to
send this to us. I love when you guys do
stuff like that, but please don't give them any money.

(03:36):
Don't encourage this, and that, my friends, is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
It is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Put in tooth Jesus toothpaste.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Do you know then what hell is ridiculous?

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Ridiculous?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
The price of a new home in America, Oh God
tell me right. And some people, Elizabeth will do anything,
and I mean anything to own their dream home. I
mean anything. Oh no, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Crime A podcast about absurd and outrages, capers, heists, and cons.
It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred
percent ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yes, Elizabeth Sara.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Today, I want to tell you a story about a
dream home. Okay, not like a Barbie dream home, like
a real.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Dream actual Like I have dreams about it.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Well, I guess you might call it a castle a dreams. Yeah,
and what one man was willing to do to afford
his dream castle. Now, I know you have frequent flyer
mileage on that website Zillow. Like you love zillo right,
do I love it?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
It's so good If you're nosy.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I know, right, you show me you send me text
messages about it, and I'm like, yeah, sometimes I look
not always sometimes I do like if if you sell
it well enough, yeah, Like I just don't find the
same delight you do. But I respect your game, right,
So I went to Zillo for this story. Nice, and
I want to show you something.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
You've never been walking down the street and looked at
the house and then like, I wonder what the story
is there?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
What do you mean the story? Like the cost or
like how many bedrooms they have inside?

Speaker 3 (05:36):
The history? What are you paying in Texas? When was
it last purchase?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
What would be your mortgage payment?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Did you not have the realtor scrub it so that
the listing descriptions are still in there in all forty pictures?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Oh? Yeah, good call. You know so, I know that
this is not a visual medium per se, but here
I am.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
I'm gone.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I'm going to call up a page on because you
need to see this dream house, I mean dreamcastle. I'm
going to show you some picks and if you don't mind,
if you could describe what you see. And now, if
you want to play along, you can go to Zillo
and check out the address. The dream Castle is located
at fifty six fifty Canyon Woods. That's canyon woods like

(06:19):
trees all one word canyon Woods drive in Billings, Montana. Yeah,
zip code five nine one zero six. Okay, No, this
home was built in twenty fourteen, so keep that in mind. Okay,
Now away we go.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
M Dreamcastle sounds like it's nineteen eighty six and like
you're a junior high kid who's all into like fantasy
heavy metal, and that's the name of your band, Dreamcastle,
dream Castle.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
So there you go. There's the opening slide. Oh okay,
now go to slide the second slide, and Elizabeth, can
you describe what you're looking at this?

Speaker 3 (06:56):
This looks like a ski resort that like Cosner invested
in and then forgot about. It's like, wait a second,
what is Is it all hand hewn from the rocks
around it? It's kind of it's all it's stone work
on the outside, all.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Stone work on the It's a castle. It has like
a whole stone tower. It has a mode.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
You could say that.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
So check a few other slides and but stop whatever
one catches your eye. But tell me when you get
to the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Looks like, you know, I've never been in a Great
Wolf lodge, but if this is a Great Wolf, looks
like a ski resort like outside of Tahoe.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Right to the laundry room.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Oh, there's a good laundry room. These people do their
own laundry.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
You'll notice it has three side by side washing machines
and dryers.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
There's so many kitchens.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Oh yeah, we'll come back to.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
That, and like everything's beige.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Have you gotten to the three side by side.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Washing I'm looking at like the you know, the the
office with all the empty shelving where books would be.
But these probably don't own books, are.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
There?

Speaker 2 (08:04):
It is? Yeah? There you go.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Okay, So there's everything by the way, is like pre
manufactured cabinetry, and then like marble floors, marble counters, and
then three washer dryer systems like stacks sacked okay, and
I love that they have to illustrate folded towels on
the table. Man, you can't put books on the bookshelves.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Keep going and tell me when you get to the
bowling alley.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
No, okay, yeah, now this.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Double bowling alley.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Actually, this must be just riveting for people.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
That doesn't it look like somewhere you'd bowl if you're
in the home of like a Las Vegas casino owner.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Very much so, because it's part of it is like
what I'm trying to describe to people here is that
it's not so much like an organic decor of like
you build a house. This looks like the inside of
like you're saying, like a casino. So it has like
plank wood walls that are artificially distressed, and so you're there.
They run lengthwise on the wall, so it's like you're

(09:06):
in an old barn, but you're also bowling. And then
there's acoustic ceilings like I don't know what's happening here.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Slide a couple of more frames ahead and see, tell
me when you get to the shooting ring.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Oh, I'm at the shooting ring.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
That's a legit indoor shooting rang. Okay, can you go
full John Wick in there?

Speaker 3 (09:20):
It's terrifying, yes, But also on the walls, it looks
like that there's nothing in those racks. But I swear
to god, those look like wine wracks.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, they took all the shooting ring. They took all
the guns out.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
I'm just going to pretend that's a shooting range. Slash sell.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Slide a couple ahead and tell me when you get
to the screening room.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Well there's okay, yeah, because I see there's one that's
like has Oh there's a golf room with like the
screening because God forbid you go outside.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I wait till we get out.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Get is Kevin Costner going to pop out of one
of these things? Okay?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
What do you think about those shiny leather high back recliners.
Huh Now, personally I would have couches. You know, that's
something company to say, like leather recliners.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
I mean it goes with the fake stars on the ceiling.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
But what do I know? I don't have a screening room.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
The gym. There you go the gym the comedy like
twenty People.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
It looks like something that you find in an upscale
business hotel.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
It does right at it, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
It's like it's the kind of it's the sort of
gym equipment that you would use when you're about to
be harassed by the sales manager for like some company.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Or I imagine it. Outside the door, there's like a plaque
on the wall that's like, yes, you know, gym equipment
by Equinox. Like it's like a spinoff.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Now, how about that cave dining area? Did you get
to that yet?

Speaker 3 (10:43):
The little grotto?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, it's like somewhere you'd eat a meal just before
you get killed by Benicio del Toro.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I wish right, go to the.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Tennis courts and the private three hole golf range.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
I'm looking at the outside. God, this place. It totally
looks like a like a resort where you go for
like a corporate retreat. You find out the rooms are
supposed to be like eight hundred dollars a night, but
your events person was like, don't worry, we got it
for like one hundred and fifty. I kind of see
why it's off season. It smells a little mill. Do
you over in the sense of the building. Okay, I
see like the ground do.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
You see yeah? Do you get outside yet? You're outside?

Speaker 3 (11:17):
I'm outside.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Do you see that the tennis the double tennis courts
and the three hole ball?

Speaker 3 (11:23):
You know that's pickleball. That's not These people don't play tennis,
no offense, pickleball.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
This is kind of set up you get if you
sell missiles by the billions to the US government, you
get this house.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
You haven't defense contractor money.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
I mean, this whole thing, it's just so it's so
bland and yet like ostentatious but bland.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yes, it somehow strikes you're a big balance.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, if you're going to be the eccentric multi millionaire
and have this enormous place which I don't even know.
You're gonna have to tell me how many square feet this?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Oh yeah, I got all that for you. I know
you care about.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
All I think is like, well, what's your electricity?

Speaker 2 (12:01):
You have? You have a whole step You're not thinking
about the electricity.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
I know. But it's like, if you're going to do that,
then like go for it. I like when people have
the wacky houses where it's like it looks really crazy,
like it looks nice and and we'll put together outside
and you go in and then there's one room that's
just like bright red and gold and terrifying.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
I want people to like do what Elvis did at Graceland,
which is just make it your own, like have a.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Jungle room exactly.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Now, now that you've seen the dream House, Dreamcastle, Elizabeth, how.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Many garages this place? And what cars are outside?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
If you had to guess, how much would you say
this house is worked?

Speaker 3 (12:35):
And you said it's in Boise Billings Billings? Okay, so
they have a higher market out there because of people
like Kevin Costner. Yeah, here, how many acres is it?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I'll break it down for you, because here's a quick
rundown of the specs. That place boasts ten bedrooms, nineteen bathrooms.
There's fifteen full bathrooms, four houses, Like.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
You could have nine friends over ten and b pooping
everyone everybody.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, everyone poops to the same peak.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Have you could serve something that makes everyone sick from
one of your fifteen kitchens? No, No, they'll run. You're like,
don't worry, we've each got her up.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Everyone take a bathroom. Your names are outside of your bathroom,
so we have This place has a personal and commercial elevators,
like for your deliveries, I suppose, or maybe for your staff.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
So some of the features you've looked at right, there's
three pools, two outdoors, one indoor pool. Okay, there's the
two lane bowling alley, the private theater, screening room, the
golf simulator, the indoor shooting range. Of course, there's the
wine cellar. There's a full gym with locker rooms. Mind
you and Elizabeth, as you noted, since you love to cook,
there are multiple kitchens, both indoor and outdoor kitchens laural.

(13:45):
There's the three horrile golf course and the tennis courts,
along with some private hiking trails if you'd like to
get around that way. All in all, this dreamcastle is
thirty and forty three square feet seventy acre plot of.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Land, all right, seventy acres.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Somehow this place is listed as a single family residence,
which I find hilarious. So, now with all that info, Elizabeth,
what would you expect to pay for this bad boy?
I was so hard to keep I had.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Keep thinking about, like, put it where it is? How
many acres seventy seventy acre plutty thousand square thirty thousand
square foot montana.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, multiple elevators, just own shooting range.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Twenty five million.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Wow, you're good. Twenty six point nine million dollars. And
that's ten million more than it was listed for when
it was originally built.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
And purchased twelve years ago.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Now, if you wanted to do an estimated mortgage payment,
I looked into this. I love that one hundred and
fifty nine and eighty dollars a month. A month, yes,
a month, an insane amount of money for like, oh,
I have a salary, I would be happy with that
as my salary.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
It would take me multiple years to pay one month.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yes, exactly. And I forgot to know.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, I'm a little short one.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
You mentioned your man, Kevin Costner. Okay, my man in
that place is located in Yellowstone County, Montana. Is it
in the city of Billings, Yeah, so Yellowstone Elizabeth Dutton.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Dude, I told you. I told you what happened the
other day. I was, actually I was. My mom was
visiting and I was at the airport with her and
someone was like, oh, Dutton is Yellowstone Totton And my
Mom's just like I was like, oh, dude, no, I
don't say that to her, got in front of her
and she and she said no, but her name's Elizabeth.

(15:34):
And the guy was like, oh, I'm screwed. I was like,
I've never seen the show get stuffed.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Speaking of crime in Minnesota or Montana rather, well, we
could talk about both. How much crime would you be
willing to do to own this dream castle in Yellowstone County, Montana?

Speaker 3 (15:51):
I would say approximately zero.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, I don't really expect you ever really answer.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
It's not my joint, that's not my thing. But there
are people I could see how people would covet such at.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Right, But that was the question for our Man of
the hour. How much crime do you do.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
There's going to be a lot of crime, because okay,
so it's let's say you get what is it, twenty
six nine, twenty twenty seven million dollars And then as
I said, okay, so now you got the upkeep.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yes, oh yeah, so it's.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
One hundred and fifty something, just sixty grand.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
But for your three whole golf course.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
All the maintenance outside, the cleaning crews you'd have to
inside just to constantly the windows circulating, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Just to clean the windows would be then thousands of months.
And then the water bill, no, forget about the water.
But you don't even want to see that h VAC.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
All those giant rooms and are like three story rooms
and it's cold as bajeebers outside when it's snowing. Oh yeah,
and you're trapped in there too, like.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
The Overlook Hotel, like the shining like in there, Like I.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Have so much respect for people who can live in
snowy places, and I am just not one of them.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
No, you were not so. Our man of the hour,
he decided the answer to the question of how much
crime would he do? All of it, all.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Of the could It's like, give me more.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Now at present, Elizabeth this dreamcastle is still for sale.
The listing is not moving.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
That's a live listing with all those pictures.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
He has been on the market for two hundred and
sixty six days as of today.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
All those high end properties, it's hard to move them.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know, Like if especially a Curt's like me and.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
You like to poke around, you see that, like the
like crazy properties in like Wine Country or like San
Francisco Pacific Nights. They stay on the market for really long.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Oh yeah, sometimes like and then like they don't even
have like the decency to take it off after like
a year, they're like, oh, we're still hopeful, so about it.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Probably wants to look at this listing again. She's bored.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
So if you do change your mind and you decide
to go full Beth Dutton and do crime in Montana, sure,
if you're willing to embezzel, say twenty million dollars, you
could make an offer on this rare, one of a
kind dreamcastle. Okay, I'm just saying. So that's what our
Man of the hour day who I keep referring to
is our Man of the hour is.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Who is man?

Speaker 2 (18:01):
His name is Larry Wayne Price Junior.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Is it Larry Wayne one word.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
No, it's not like Mark Wayne Old Marquaine. That's how
I say it.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
It's Mark Wain.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's your mama named Mark Wayne. He pronounced it Markwain,
So Larry Wayne. He was a forty two year old
father of six at the time of his criming. He
was a businessman who worked in the extractive industries that
run rampant in Montana. In particular, he ran surface operations
for an underground coal mine near round Up, Montana.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Right, this is the mineral rights and that totally extraction,
like clearing people's pores.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
No, is that what they call that? I think so,
I'd figure like tooth extraction. Its only distraction.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
He's just a tooth guy.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Bigger, big, big in the dentistry. So, Larry Wayne Price Junior,
it was more than any like simple description might convey.
Like the man, he contained multitudes, Elizabeth. For instance, he
was the owner operator of hog Pit Cycles. That's hog
h a w G. Hog Pit Cycles. There's a motorcycle shop,

(19:07):
Harley David's.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
For weekend Warriors. It's like he sells the Harley Fat
Boys to like total you know, insurance salesman exactly. I
know the tight so.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's our man of the day. Real estate appreciator, motorcycle salesman,
hog rider, corrupt mining entrepreneur, and business partner to Vladimir
Putin's inner circle.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Whoah, yeah, that came.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Out that right, and I forgot. He's also a man
who decided maybe I should try to fake my own
death or at least his own kidnapping. He's a fun one.
This story is about again, all kinds of while, Elizabeth.
But first it's like a little break now that I've
broken the ice. And when we're back, we'll hear all
about how Larry Wayne Price Junior like to get down.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
I cannot wait.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
We're back, Elizabeth, we are back. You're ready to get
down and dirty with Larry Wayne.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, yeah, totally young again.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
I guess we should start with the coal industry of Montana.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Right, are we going to go back to Memo sec
You're not going to go back to go back to
like prehistoric times?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
No, no, no, no. I won't take you back to
the fifteenth century or to the Neolithic period of the
Paleolithic or any of that. No, right, we will stay
in this age. Okay, Elizabeth, what do you know about
coal mining in Montana? There is no wrong answer because personally,
my answer is it happens.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
That's why I didn't know that Montana was like a
coal mining.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I didn't know. I think in West Virginia, I think, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I wouldn't have Yeah, I mean there are plenty of
other places, Montana not one of them. But you know,
for a quick case I know they find dinosaur stuff there,
dinosaur country.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, they're always did in the dirty.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
S down the dinosaurs.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, very active place, you guysers.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
And one fuel. That's no, it's not, it's science.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
For a quick case study. Let's get to know Signal
Peak Energy. Okay, according to coal Age Magazine.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Oh I love that magazine.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
It's a trade publication that covers the coal industry. As
you well know as a subscriber.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
The centerfolds. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (21:25):
You've seen those rocks? Did you do that kind of
hurt that way? Did you like the new tote bag
for this year's subscriber?

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Totally so?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
From coal Age Magazine, we learned that quote Signal Peak
Energy operates the Bowl Mountain's mine near round Up, Montana. Okay,
what else coal Age Magazine, Well, back to their coverage
last year twenty twenty three, Signal Peak Energy produced seven
point six million tons and they were ranked the highest
in the US as far as tons per man hour.
Isn't this exciting?

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Well, all of the names of stuff are so aggressively masculine.
Two of like hog rack and the Signal Peak exactly
target FeAs round up. Everyone's got cancer.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I have to I have no idea what most of
this means.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
It doesn't matter. It sounds great. So for some context,
now you know what it's like to be me to
go through the day.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I have no idea what I recognize.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
They're reading it. It's allowed and it sounds fabulous.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
So for some context, here's Parker Phipps, president and CEO
of Signal Peak Energy. According to old Parker quote, what
makes these stats remarkable is that we did it while
mining in three different long wall panels. It was a
busy year for us. Normally we have a long wall
move every eighteen months. To know what that means, a
strip of coal that's like, you know, a few feet

(22:44):
and it's usually like you know, underground until they cut
down till they find this like like vein and it's like.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
A mother load very kind of so kind of like
when you're eating ice cream and you get to like
the fudge ribbon.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
So and then what is this guy's name?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Flipper Parker Phipps.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Parker Phipps. I feel like if I ever met him,
was like introduced to him, I would want to just
start pulling my hair and screaming, just like at the
top of my lungs.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, since I know you want to know more about
long walls, I do, and why they had to move
Daddy moved the long walls. This was due to environmental
impact studies that are required to access federally controlled coal,
because they were not anymore they're drilling on federally controlled lands.
This is all important because the reason why this was
disappointing for Signal Peak Energy back to coal Age magazine

(23:38):
and I quote the restriction on mining federal coal within
their mind plan was a setback for a company that
was turning the page on legacy management issues several years ago.
Management at the mine was clearly heading in the wrong direction. Now,
this Elizabeth is what we call a sly reference to
Larry Wayne Price Junior. Oh yes, and how he nearly

(23:59):
ruined the repute and business prospects of Signal Peak Energy
with his legal shenanigans. Now, to be fair to Signal
Peak Energy, it seems to be the sort of business
that attracts some nefarious characters. And I'm talking coal mining
and the extractive industries. For instance, he was doing business
with a man who the Treasury Department claims is a
member of Vladimir Putin's inner circle. This requires a little

(24:21):
context though, So back to old Parker Phipps, CEO.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Signal Peak Energy, He's just spilling it.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
In a New York Times story, he was quick to
point out to the quote tremendous amount of litigation that
was filed against the energy company, which was tricky to
pursue in court since the company was owned by two
shell companies, not one, but two that acted as an
umbrella for many out of state and by out of state,
I mean foreign co owners. So you see Elizabeth. Back

(24:47):
in two thousand and eight, there was this Ohio based billionaire,
Wayne Boych, owner of Boyitch Companies. He partnered with First
Energy Corporation to buy a coal mine in the Bowl
Mountains in Montana, which we're discussing. They named their joint
venture your Signal Peak Energy. Now, two years into operation.
They brought on another co owner, the Gunver Group. I
always want to say governor gun For gun Vo r

(25:11):
gun For Group. That company is a foreign oil commodities
trading firm that's registered in Cyprus, so you know they're.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Now.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
The Gunver Group was co owned by a man named
Jenndy Timchenko. He's interesting because he's a Russian Ola gark
a billionaire who's a close confident of Vladimir Putin. He
was also instrumental partner for Signal Peak Energy.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Oh yeah, that is Aaron. I'm putting the red thread
on the wall right now. It's all ties too.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
So this was all going great right up until the
US State Department placed sanctions on Putin linked Russian Ola
garcs like tim Chenko. Yeah, and thus he had to
distance himself from the Gunver Group, and the US Treasury
Department reported the quote Putin has investments in Gunver and
may have access to gun For funds. So this may
literally be money that Putin was pulling out of Montana.

(25:58):
I'm personally benefiting from. That's not me saying, that's US
Treasury Department right. Anyway, Soon enough, the Gunver Group claimed
that tim Chenko absolutely zero involvement with gunviter in any way.
That's their direct quote now at that. And they also
had there was reported connections between Gunver Group, Timchenko and Putin,
and they claimed that those are old and entirely baseless.

(26:19):
So deal with that what you will.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Meanwhile, have you seen this window lease step forward?

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Do you know what defenis street means? No, you're about
to learn. So, meanwhile, there's the American owners, the First Energy,
in the Boych group. They were also considered hinky as hell.
In twenty twenty one, First Energy admitted that the company
had been paying millions in bribes to state legislators as
well as regulators in order to get approval for a
one billion dollar bailout intended for nuclear and coal fired

(26:48):
power plants that were aging and needed upgrades. So they're like, hey,
we've been bribing the regulators and the legislators to get
ourselves this. Now, with a company admitted to this culture
of corruption, the the prior Department of Justice, not the
one that's currently operating under that same name, fine First
Energy two hundred and thirty million dollars for their bribery case. Yeah,

(27:09):
that was the fine. Two hundred and thirty million dollars.
That's kind of high.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Now, I bring all this up to provide context for
why are crimer of the day thought he could maybe
wet his beacon, embezzle some millions upon millions in order
to buy himself a dreamcastle.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, they're all doing it right, I mean, so let's
get back.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
To Larry Wayne Price Junior. Yes, Now, he'd gotten his
start in the extractive industries when he worked in the
coal fields of southwest Virginia. Not West Virginia, but Southwest.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Virginia region, southern western Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Now, then in two thousand and nine, when Signal Peak
Energy was formed, he took a job with the company
and he moved out to Montana. He's like, oh, that's
where the action is, right, So he distinguishes himself as
his real go getter. He eventually ascends to the executive
suite and he's like, hey, I got my own key
to the washroom.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
So he's promoted to be a vice president of surface operations.
So they don't trust him, like where the money is
happening underground He's like moving trucks around and put that.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
So his career, it gets him close in with the
Then CEO of Signal Peak Energy, a man named Bradley Hanson.
Bradley Hansen who this gave him, Larry Wayne Price Junior
lucrative opportunities to cut side deals with Signal Peak Energy
because he's in good with the CEO.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
He's like, oh yeah, So Larry Wayne like goes like
for business traveling like flies spirit and like sits down.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Like tosses his his cole age magazine, his.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Cole fancy magazine down and is like, yeah, you know,
like trying to like flex.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Out on everybody. Everyone knows he's got one.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Of those giant bluetooth things there.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
But one second, guys, I'm telling you it's gonna be great.
You want to come out to my john Wick gun range.
So Larry Wayne, here's wine. He starts the side business
called three and then the number three three Solutions, and
that company struck deals with you guessed it, Signal Peak Energy.
He promised to sell the mining company industrial grade chemicals

(29:10):
that were used in the mining process. So basically the
CEO is like, you know, we got this company, but
if you started a company and offered us you know
wherever they're getting better, Yeah, you'd be a vendor for
the company, we could kick you down right, so price
he does this starts three solutions. Meanwhile, Larry Wayne grew
increasingly integral to Signal Peak Energy as an executive because

(29:30):
he also becomes privy to industry secrets, like how a
fellow Signal Peak vice president in charge of underground operations
the VP. So he's this is the guys like, actually,
you know hitting the call with him? You pick this
is a guy named Dale Lee Musgrave. I was saying
all their full names, like they're like presidential assassins. Yeah, exactly,

(29:53):
so Dale Lee musk Grave.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Because you don't want like Dale John Muskgrave to hear
this and be like, that's not me true dude, I'm
just innocently listening while I go to rob a bank,
so they'll leave.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Musgrave. He was forcing employees to falsify reports about MIND
safety because he was in charge of the underground operations,
right were all the danger was and the raves. So
he relied on a time tested mix of threats and
bribes to ensure the Mind's operations had quote the veneer
of an outstanding safety.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Recordar and it takes money to make money.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Now that's not me saying that that's the Department of Justice.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
The veneer.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
So back in twenty eighteen, while Larry Wayne Price Junior
was still with the company, the DOJ discovered that Musgrave
had gone so far as to bribe an employee not
to report that the employee's finger had been crushed while
he was loading mining materials.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
I shouldn't laugh at that, but I'm laughing.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, yeah, you won't laugh now because the finger had
to be amputated. To keep things hush hush, Musgrave gave
the man two thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
In cash, only two thousand dollars price for a time
they were talking about a million dollars prebes million dollar.
Which finger was let me.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Break you off. I don't know which finger. It was
one of the ten who was his middle finger.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
And you can't flip peak off anymore.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
You can no longer cuss with his fingers.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Remember his kids say flick people.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah. I don't know why, but it just bothered me.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
If you lose your index finger, that's big, that's big,
bet thumb.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
That's the real bad one to lose, because.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Well, what if he loses his pink and then when
he goes to drink tea get can't let people know
he's come and then he looks like a brute.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Anyway, So anyway, what this wasn't the only trouble musk
Grave got into while a VP at Signal Peak Energy.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
I'm going to get you a Signal Peak you see.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Well, the federal investigators are doing their due diligence to
investigate the mine and its hinky operations. They spotted FedEx
delivery drivers dropping off a suspiciously large number of packages
at Musgrave's house. And I'm talking like, according to the DOJ,
twenty seven deliveries over a few months. And I know, Elizabeth,
you may be hearing that number thinking that's not a
lot of packages Amazons drop for me in one month period.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Just because you saw my front stoop was box number of.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Boxes and then it came back a week later.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
It's it's stuff for my house, it's for my dogs,
it's dog treats.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I'm gonna say nothing.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
It's maybe a paint by Numbers kit that I ordered.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
You know, girls, you're a woman of mystery. The feds
they thought twenty seven packages over a few months was
a lot. Back off.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Worry about yourself.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
The Feds never see your stoop, you're getting an investigation
right away. So the twenty seven package from FedEx, they
seem sussed. So one day the Feds they grabbed one
of the packages, you know, just to see what sort
of stuff musk Grave was having delivered to his house.
Turns out, in the package they nabbed, the federal investigators
found baggies of cocaine. Baggy cocaine.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
No, I don't have that.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, it turns out the executive was engaging in some
light cocaine trafficking.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
When having it like ups, drop it off in the door.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
If you live out in the middle of nowhere, the
rural places, you can't like pop into the city. They're like,
just send it to my house, just me the coke exactly.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
And I'm like, also, to defend myself a little bit further,
I need a lot of that cardboard for my garden.
This is true, So okay, back off, buddy, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
I take it all back.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Turned to eat a lot of chicken jerkey human grade,
as it says, And I also have a bag of
chicken hearts and anyway, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
What, You're only doing good.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
But there's no cocaine in any of your packages.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
There's that. Now I bring all this up as evidence that.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
For minute, we delivered cocaine.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I don't think so, maybe dug cocaine just like numbing teeth.
That's like, yeah, so I bring all this up, Elizabeth,
there's evidence that many folks involved with signal peak energy
were on the hanky side, do you think? And uh,
you know, but appearances can be deceiving, right, and then

(34:11):
they were good at keeping their crimes swept under the
rug right up until found the baggies of cocaine. So
you know, obviously this also included big ticket items that
they were covering up, you know, like overseas the money laundering.
There was medium sized crimes that they were covering up,
like a little light cocaine trafficking, and then there are
smaller crimes like mining safety infractions and lost fingers.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Oh yeah, I still two thousand dollars for a finger
I would have pulled aside.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
And then like, look, how much would you want for
a finger? A finger, not your thumb?

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Like if if I lost my let's say I lost
my index index index. Yeah, doing this show, I go
to Admiral iHeart.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yes, what would you demand?

Speaker 3 (34:50):
And I would hold a knife to his throat.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
With your good hand, I could still do it.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
And then I think I would want, like, at a
minimum a million dollars.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Wow, you really value your digits.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
I have a magic fingers. You know what if I
want a No, not in the slightest my hands are
pretty beat up. But what if I learned to play
the piano. What is Malcolm Gladwell's like at ten thousand
hours in your genius myth No? Anyway, so I could
And then what if I could have gone on to

(35:27):
like write the greatest piece of piano work and perform
it and then bring peace to the planet because everyone
hears it and they're like, that's the most beautiful thing.
It's missing some of the notes because Homegirl doesn't have
one of her fingers fingers, but it was his middle finger.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Hey, I'm not telling you, I'm not there all one finger.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
It was like the only part of it. Anyway, Listen
to me like I would be. I would be yelling
at Admiral iHeart and like putting my thumb to gouge
out his eyeball, run my check and be like I
want a million dollars from my miss or you do what?
Poke your eyes? Out to you and then stick this
knife where the sun don't shine energy hypifically, Admiral. I

(36:13):
say this with with love and respect, and you know,
I'm just joshing.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
But God, I don't know about you. But whenever I
hear about like oil and gas or coal or you
seem really any mining, I tend to think of corruption
and crime. It's kind of historically associated with chemical Yeah,
I mean, like it's just like we're talking about like
President Grant's problems with like or like the Rockefeller family.

(36:39):
It's make you name one. You're like, oh, that's something, yeah, exactly.
But setting aside the historical examples, all right, I can
say that the extractive industries are not a business where
I expect to find the best folks with good morals.
I'll believe that, right, No, no, And you know, once
again because of the industry's long history of flagrant criminality.
But keeping true of tradition at signal peak, energy crime

(36:59):
was the standard of the day. That is, if an
executive was creative enough and willing enough to see it through.
And that was the lesson that this ambitious striver and
corporate climber Larry Wayne Price Junior took to heart, this
time as an executive at Signal Pig Energy. Wayne. He
was like, if they can do it, why can't they

(37:20):
Just a boy from Virginia do with the dreams. I
also want to get rich, and I'm willing to do
crime to get there.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Dance spelt in the tube of chapstick.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Price he starts at the company in two thousand and nine,
as we covered, by twenty fourteen, he was already building
his dream castle.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Oh he built that, Yes, built it?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
No wonder right, Yes, Now we don't know exactly getting Yeah,
he was covering that. I don't know. I gotta stick
to the facts. I do know in this case, we
can speculate.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
I just like to make We don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Exactly what all crimes he was involved when before, say
twenty sixteen, But because of the Department of Justice, I
can tell you after twenty sixteen, the crimes that he
wasn't definitely size. Yeah. Between October twenty sixteen and April
of twenty eighteen, we do know that Price managed to
embezzle twenty million dollars from three coal related companies.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Twenty million dollars and the house.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Costs a lot, so I think it got more than that,
but they could just nail him on the twenty million.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
That's every finger for two people exact.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
So one of the companies had this fun wink wink
name of three Blind Mice LLC.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Oh, get out of it.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, there was another company called ninety m LLC. And
of course there was Signal Peak Energy. So the story
goes based on his role as a KEYVP in charge
of surface operations and owner of Three Solutions. Don't forget that. Yeah,
his company was able to supply industrial chemicals to his employer,
so he could embezzle from that end, which means he

(38:48):
was robbing Signal Peak Energy and Trice Paul. He developed
his reputation around billings that he was a coal mining expert,
an insider's insider because.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
He's close with the CEO and a coal miner's daughter.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
True enough, right, No, he leveraged his reputation to convince
three Blind Mice to lend him seven point five million dollars. Now,
if you asked him, Price would say that his company,
Three Solutions had won a contract with a Pennsylvania coal
company to install coal mining equipment, and in order to
finish that project, he just needed seven point five million dollars,

(39:21):
which three Blind Mice was only too happy to loan him. Sure,
and they were going to be paid back with interest
in you know, extra amounts, so he would have to
pay them back eleven million dollars.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Eleven million.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, Amus planned to make money on this deal, and
he's like, I'll cut you in sure. Now. If you
ask three Blind Mice what happened, they would say Price
stole the money outright. Now, we know that three Blind
Mice signed an unsecured promissory note and wired seven point
five million dollars to Three Solutions.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Okay, Larry Wayne's company, that's an idiot moved yes, with
a payback date.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Of January thirty first, twenty eighteen. And when that date
came and went, I did not and had not paid
the promise eleven million dollars. When the FEDS looked into this,
they found that there was no deal with the Pennsylvania
Coal Operation for Three Solutions to install coal mining operations.
What had happened was Price spent the seven point five

(40:16):
million dollars probably on a bowling lane, maybe a three.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Hole goal course exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Now, as for ninety m LLC, the investors in that
company appointed Price is a representative of ninety M. They're like, yeah,
tell them you work with us, you work for us,
So that he could go out and help them purchase
a coal mine in Virginia where Larry Wayne is from,
and help them develop into a cash making operation. They're like, yeah,
get us rich on what you know. You're an insided
inside man.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
You're connected.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
So as well, they also had some other business ventures
that they had cooking. So all in all, Price helped
them with five business deals worth roughly thirteen point five
million dollars for Price. Now how they exist? Yeah, Now
these were good kind of because when investigators looked into it,
they found that ten point four to seventy five million

(41:03):
of that thirteen point five was quote fraudulently obtained. Oh
so it wasn't all hanky Elizabeth whole linked ten point
four million of it. Oops. And then there was his
day to day employer, Signal Peak Energy, where Price worked
as a VP of Service Operations. Now he stole from
his main job too, because that house ain't going to

(41:23):
build itself. He did this by initiating fraudulent deals to
purchase coal mining equipment from a vendor that he knew
could not provide said coal mining equipment. So the firm
he selected for the deal, they kicked him back two
point four million dollars to Prices company three Solutions. Real
simple paper trail, but there it was. Yeah, all of

(41:46):
his shady dealings came to a head in April twenty eighteen.
When the investors from ninety MLLC checked the deals. They
began to question the transactions with Price in his company
three Solutions. So what do they do. They call a
Price and they're like, hey, man, where's money. You're like
months behind on your remember January thirty first second, so
they're like, it's April man. So by this point, Price

(42:07):
was no longer in Montana. He was living in Virginia.
He'd return to his home state, but it wasn't impossible
to find where he was living. The folks from ninety
M did. They were able to find him, and they
sent representatives to get their money back from Price. Right,
if this was street crime, the amount of money he

(42:28):
would have been talking we're talking about is enough to
get a man killed. Oh yeah, when we're sending our representatives.
The fact they even told him meant that they kind
of expected to get someone as opposed to just like, yeah, yeah,
So I don't know how it goes in the coal industry.
I won't speculate, but I imagine they also start getting
murderous notions in their minds when they get robbed for
millions of dollars. However, as I said, a dead man

(42:49):
can't pay you back. So these coal investors, they still
had plans to get their money back before they did
need grievous harm to Larry Wayne. Now, the Larry Wayne
Price junior may have had different read of things because
he has a woman he knew in Virginia. If he
could hide out at her place, can she agreed? Now,
that's when Price came up with this big, beautiful plan
to skate out on the investors that he had robbed

(43:11):
and to keep all the money he'd embezzled from the
various coal mining operations back in Montana.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Was he just hoping they were crooked enough to not
like go to the Feds.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
I don't think he thought this through, but you'll figure
that out.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Real question, Okay, So I mean.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Like my question was, you know, was cocaine involved in
this decision making? Because it But anyway, his next plan, Elizabeth,
I tell you is a certified hum danger. So let's
take a little break, listen to some ads, and after
these messages from Signal Peak Energy, we will get into
Larry Wayne Price Junior's plan to get free. Nice we're back, Elizabeth,

(44:07):
Yes we are. So we've got coal mining insider Larry
Wayne Junior who tried to pull off some big boy
in bezzling. But he was sloppy about it. Investors or marks,
how if you want to looked at it, they get robbed.
They started asking questions. Not liking the answers that they
weren't getting, they sent representatives out to either confront Price
in Virginia or get their money back wherever, or find

(44:30):
out where he'd fled to in order to get back
their stolen millions. Sure, but Larry Wayne had a plan.
What was his plan? Great question for it. I haven't
mentioned her yet, but Price was married. Okay, this matters
because he was also making moves to avoid his spurned
investors with another That's what I wondered when you.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Say a woman in Virginia building this thirty thousand square
foot home, and I don't think it's a bachelor pass. No, No,
he is a group of kids too.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, I didn't look too far into that. He did
have some but I think I mentioned up top now
someone whom he rented a house from in Virginia. While
he was like, on the lamb, if you will, that's
who he decided. The woman, He's like, oh, I'm working
with her. I remember. It's like, hey, can I hide now. Meanwhile,
he called his wife and was like, yeah, I really

(45:17):
need you to help me. I'm in trouble. I'm in
a bad way, and he asked her to help him
out and she was like okay, baby or whatever she said.
So on April fourteenth, twenty eighteen, Price's wife called the Bluefield,
Virginia Police Department at one fifty eight in the morning
and she reported her husband missing. The local PD sprang

(45:39):
into action along with the Tazewell County Sheriff's Office and thesewell.
It so the two law enforcement agencies. They initiate a
missing person's investigation as one does, and this soon expands
to include the Virginia State Police because we're like, we
got time, so le me bringing in a health after

(46:00):
search and rescue teams. They also bring in canine search
units like you know, like they make this a real priority.
We're gonna find Larry Wayne.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
I wish they would have done it like they would
treat most people like, well, did he have a history
running away?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah? Exactly.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Well let's just see if he shows up.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah. Have you called all the hospitals so they bring
in the bloodhounds, Elizabeth, And it shouldn't have been too
hard to find this missing man since Bluefield, Virginia is located. Uh,
it's like right there in the Blue Ridge Mountains. Yeah,
it's a town of less than ten thousand people. Okay,
but somehow all these you know, state police, local sheriffs,
and local police, they couldn't find Larry Wayne.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
He got gone.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, he'd done run off?

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Are you n n oft through.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Using modern methods of pinging cell phone towers and as
opposed to just relying on the bloodhounds like yelping into
the forest? Then the multi industry, Yeah exactly, these are fresh.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
You could tell, and then licking in and then hold
their finger to the air. That's how you find people, Zarren.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
You look for snap branches and stuff. Yes, so the
multi age.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yes, you've obviously been doing this a long time, as
have I. Did he leave hair on the branches as
he walked by. Is he a yetti, Yes, give me
the bloodhound.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
So this multi agency task force they find Prices white
Mercedes with Montana plates. It had been abandoned in a
parking lot.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Oh, telling Pablo SENTI is white.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, naturally this was concerning for the law enforcement task
with finding this missing coal mining executive. But then they
received some good news. A driver noticed a man standing
on the side of the road in the dark of night,
and he was near this town of Gratton or Grato, Virginia.
I think it's Gratton.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Yeah, I think I think I've heard of that there.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, law enforcement they rush out to the reported sighting
and they find Larry Wayne Price Junior. He's alone and
he looks like he's been through it. In his pockets
though he has three thousand, seven and forty four dollars,
so he hadn't been like robbed or mugged or something.
But you know, they take Price to the local hospital

(48:07):
because he looks a little roughed up, and that's where
officers from the Bluefield PD interview him. They were not
alone because the FBI also wanted to interview you. Oh boy, yes,
and then the irs. But we'll get to that first first,
the FBI. But rather than me just tell you about
this FBI investigation, Elizabeth, I'd like you to close your
eyes as I'd like you to picture it. Elizabeth. It's

(48:35):
a quiet day in an FBI interrogation room, and at
the moment you are busy because you are Larry Wayne
Price Junior's concept of shame. Now, as the overhead fluorescent
lights buzz with the insistent home, you flit about the room,
hoping to find a place to land and do what
you do, which is inspire a person to feel shame. However,

(48:55):
in this instant, as in many moments in the past,
you cannot find and a welcome home in the consciousness
of the man being interrogated by the FBI. The purp
seated across from the field agents is unwilling to allow
you to find purchase, and so you continue to beat
your tiny wings as you flit about, guided by the
hope that perhaps at some point in his interrogation, Larry

(49:17):
Wayne Price Junior will allow you to whisper your message
such that he might listen to your urgings and experience
what any other human being would recognize as shame. You
hear Price as he answers the field agent's questions. You
hope that he'd know better than to lie to the FBI,
but clearly he does not. Despite the circular nature of

(49:38):
the FBI's questions making him repeat himself over and over again,
Price sticks to his ludicrous story. He repeats that he
was abducted by two members of an outlaw biker gang.
He describes how they held a rag to his face
and as he inhaled, he began to feel kind of funny.
You cast an eye towards the FBI agents. They don't

(49:59):
seem to be this story. You flip closer to see
if perhaps you can now convince him to experience a
moment of shame and finally come clean. But he waves
you away and you flit about frustrated. A field agent
takes a sip of coffee that's growing colder by the minute.
They've been at it a while. The FBI guy asks
Price to go back to the moment when he first

(50:21):
saw the outlaw bikers. Price sighs, annoyed, and then he
launches into his cover story. He says that he was
looking to sew a motorcycle. He was contacted by a
man who was previously unknown to him. The prospective buyer
asked to meet Price so that he could see the
bike and maybe take it for a test drive. Price
says that he agreed to the meet up. He says

(50:42):
they planned to meet at a local park and then
the buyer could take the motorcycle for a ride. When
he arrived at the park, he rode up on the motorcycle.
Then he saw the prospective buyer pull into the parking lot.
The buyer arrived in a windowless cargo van, and he
wasn't alone. Another man was with him. Both men were
white and looked like outlaw bikers. You roll your eyes

(51:04):
at all the details Price adds to his story. Even
if he won't or cannot, you experience shame for him,
a sort of secondhand embarrassment. Price goes on with his story.
He tells the FBI investigators that the passenger in the
windowless cargo van had a gun and he aimed it
at Price. In response, he froze in place that allowed

(51:25):
the two men to hop out of the van and
approach it where he was seated on the hog aka
his motorcycle for sale. You draw closer again, hoping that
now perhaps you can whisper something in his ear and
inspire him to feel the sweet release of shame that
might free him from his obvious lives. But again he
waves his hand as if to wave away a mosquito.

(51:45):
You retreat. Price goes on with his story. He says
that the second man, the one with the gun, held
a rag to his face. It was clearly soaked with
some sort of chemical one that made him feel disoriented
and drowsy, and then he sort of blacked him. When
he comes to, he's in some unknown location. It's a
darkened room and he was seated on the floor. Apparently

(52:05):
the two outlaw bikers didn't want him conscious yet, so
they put the rag to his face again, and again
he felt disoriented and dizzy, and then he blacked out again.
When he awoke a second time, he was in a
familiar place. He was in the bike shop he owned
in West Virginia. He proudly says the name of his
bike shop, hog Pit Cycles, as if that'll impress the

(52:26):
FBI agents. It does not. When you check their faces,
it does not seem to impress them in the least. Instead,
they asked Price what happened next? Price says he wasn't sure,
but apparently the two outlaw bikers had taken his keys
to the shop, because they opened up the place and
they dragged him inside. Once inside, they opened the store safe.
You roll your eyes so hard that you risk bruising

(52:49):
them or perhaps having them fall out of your fairy head.
You wonder to yourself if this man is capable of
feeling shame at all? You think that as you hear
Price describe for the FBI agent with great detail, how
the two outlaw bikers searched his pockets and they took
his pocket knife. They also stole his nine millimeter sig firearm.

(53:09):
The FBI agents play along, and you hear one say okay,
what happened. Next, Price acts like the FBI agents might
finally be believing him, So he goes on and describes
how the two outlaw bikers threatened him. Then they dragged
him out of his bike shop and threw him back
into the widowless cargo van. Then the two outlaw bikers
drove him out into the country, back across the border

(53:30):
between West Virginia and Virginia. When they were in the
middle of nowhere, they pulled over and they made him
get out you've given up on introducing any sense of
shame to Price. Clearly he has no ability to experience
such emotions. You hear the FBI agents ask him what
the outlaw bikers did next. Price is quick to answer.
He says, they left him there on the side of

(53:50):
the road alone, and they drove off. The FBI agents nod,
and then they say, okay, let's start again. At the beginning,
you decide you can't listen to any lies anymore. You
flipped right out of the room, hoping to find someone
else who might actually benefit from you and the gift
of experiencing a moment of shame.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
I'm so beautiful.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
So there you know, Elizabeth, that was the ordeal as
Price reported it. Now, remember the investors he robbed did
send representatives to confront Price and to get back the
money they ripped off? Did they send two outlaw bikers
to get their money back?

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Did they send the cast of Sons of van?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Like rolling up in a van Like he's just basically
detailing an episode totally.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
It's like the last thing he watched. So, Elizabeth, this
could have been true? Who knows? I mean, I highly
doubt it.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
You're very, very generous man, mostly.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Because over time Price's story tended to change that intend
it did, it just flat out change like a child
who's lying. He kept adding more and more wild new
details and colorful embellishments.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
At first he told the detectives from Bluefield that he'd
been kidnapped by the two unknown assailants and they drugged
him and taken him. It was motorcycle shop and presumably
his abduction may have been related, to quote a debtiode.
Later he added the details with the FBI about the
two men were outlaw bikers, but not just any old
outlaw bikers. Oh, soon enough, they were members of the Pagans,

(55:15):
the outlaw biker gang that's in a turf war with
the Hell's Angel Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
And then like all of those guys are under constant
surveillance like this, So it was.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
A sort of detail that someone who likes to read
about outlaw biker news stories like me, Yeah, was like
what at this point? By also, by including the Pagans,
as you point out, they would have been under surveillance
most likely, but he thought it might help explain why
he was taken to his motorcycle shop after he had
the rag held to his face and all that he
was drug with whatever they applied to the rag. Yeah,

(55:47):
but there was one problem with his new wrinkle in
his story. While his storefront Hog Pit Cycles did not
have security cameras, it was not the only business in
that block, and so the other this is did not
show members of the Pagans forcing him to do anything
because obviously they couldn't. He couldn't have the footage of

(56:07):
him unlocking a safe and giving them whatever was inside
because he doesn't have surveillance cameras inside his business going
but showing up to the business. Yeah, right, So the
other businesses did have security cameras, and the footage they
recorded did not corroborate his story. Oops. Oops oops. Now
guess old Larry Wayne Price Junior didn't think this far
into his story. Yeah, so when he was confronted with

(56:29):
the security footage from other businesses, Price changed his story again.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Meanwhile, did I say Pagan?

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (56:37):
No, I meant that I am a Pagan, that's my religion.
He did, hear me correctly.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
He claimed that he really wanted to help the FBI
with their investigation. He wanted to help find the real
criminals who'd.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Done this killers.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
So to do that, he provided a motive for the
outlaw bikers. So, according to Price, he had connections with
a railroad line. Wait, and the outlaw of bikers, the
alleged Pagans. They wanted to use his railroad connections so
they could transport meth by rail.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Well, that's you know, that's the next frontier ect people
who have highly portable means of transportation.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Can we put this on it?

Speaker 3 (57:18):
No, I'd like to put it on a fixed track
that is in a highly regulated industry.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I'm moving a lot of meth. I needed something like
a box car.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
I mean, are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
So they demanded, according to him, that he give them
schedules for the coal trains so that they could use
those to traffic their meth. Like, can we just put
it underneath the coal? No, one looks past the top
of the coal, right, he wants.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Okay, I see what they're saying.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Wow, you see now it all makes sense, totally legit. Yeah, Sam,
very overly complicated plan for drug smugglers or whatever. Maybe
something the FBI would bite on. He was so pleased
with this new story he repeated it to the I R. S.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Well, you know there's something like in the back of
his mind, he's like, how can I cut down on
the CPS bill? But it got you know what, what
if I had people send me coke on the trains underneath.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
The because we mind coal, of course we'd have.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
You know, yeah, but the coal wouldn't be coming to you.
Oh yeah, all right, the equipment put it in the excavator.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
And Elizabeth, what do we always say about lying to
the FBI?

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Do not do it, don't do it. Don't lie to it, buddy, don't.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
All by itself in there too. So it turns out
there were no outlaw biker gangs, no pagans who are
involved in the making of this lie. Mean while we
know this because, according to news outlet k r t V,
FBI investigators did find someone to help corroborate his story,
a local Virginia woman who worked at a restaurant, and

(58:46):
she told him that she and Larry Wayne Price Junior
had been intimate and they were all like all booed up,
loved it. Yeah, And so while they would be like
kissing and canoodle and sometimes talk would turn to how
Larry Wayne could disappear And I don't mean like I
mean disappear like fake is death and run off with
her and all the money he'd stolen from the coal industry.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Like I just I feel like if someone says like
I think I can fake my death and run off.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
With you, Yeah, with millions of dollars I stole.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
I'm gonna tell you right now, is as enticing as
that may be anyone within earshot.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Before he started picking out your shoes, swear to god.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
It's just not it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna work,
and then we're gonna be yucking it up about you.
Always keep that in the back of my mind. Am
I going to do something that these two goose balls
are going to make fun of me for?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
You don't want to do?

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Don't do it?

Speaker 2 (59:36):
So, according to this local waitress, around the same time
the price was reported missing, the waitress popped over to Walmart,
where she bought some red Bulls some cokes, along with
some chips, as well as underwear, socks, and towels.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
That sounds about right. That is good everything, a road
tripp value.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Perhaps a prolonged stay, and cheap motels that don't have
good towels.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
She wants. She wants some fresh honey, pants.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Once they gathered up their bug out supplies from Walmart.
She also went purchased and the bag of Fritos, some.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Clean underwear ven I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Don't want to have any Hershey Highway home when I'm
on the run, only clean boxers from He's gonna be
CROs So she went out. Also purchased a new burner
cell phone so you know, they could contact people to
start their new.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Life together on the lamb excellent, and probably bought it
with a credit card orbit cards.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Well, she definitely bought it with a surveillance.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Because we know about it. Hello, we're talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
So then she went and she waited for Price at
her father's house in Tazewell County, which was unoccupied at
the time, not the county her father's house that interestingly
prices emptied for it. Price was spotted on the side
of the road that night that she went to her
father's house to wait for him, and he was discovered
just two miles away from that same home. He might

(01:00:58):
have been walking there and just happened to be spotted
by somebody who was driving the old country road. Wow, Elizabeth,
he was so close, so close, just two miles between
him and freedom and a bunch of Fredo's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Red Bulls and wearing her underpants.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
And then some pain in the neck in his bystander
gets in the wings. So once the law had the
evidence of his plans to cut and run with the
local waitress, Price was no longer seen as the victim
of a crime and rather he was the purpy. So
he was arrested on May tenth, twenty eighteen, charged with
federal crimes, and he was bonded out at a half

(01:01:32):
million dollars on a secured bond. He was given a
GPS ankle monitor because he was a flight risk. And
in the meantime, the federal investigators looked into what all
was going down at Signal Peak Energy that resulted in
more federal charges exactly because if you included Larry Wayne,
there were nine executives at Signal Peak Energy who and

(01:01:53):
along with their associates, who were charged with federal crimes
thanks to this guy getting us.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
This is why when you get your your PG and
EVE your electrical bill, and do you see it like, oh, okay,
this is what I'm paying for As you're hanging out,
various criminals in the energy sector.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Totally totally their hankiness is why your bill goes up. Yeah,
that and the AI data center. So this group is
den of bad, greedy men.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Right, they unbelievable nine executive How big was this company
and their associates?

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
I just said nine executives from Signal Peak Energy from other.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Companies to the impression Signal Peak wasn't enormous. It's basically
and they're like, you know, the executive assistant, your executive
will put you in that list too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
So when Larry Wayne gets grilled by the Feds, he
insists that he was just one bad apple and a
bunch of rotten apples. So he claimed that his boss,
the former president and CEO of Signal Peak Energy, old
Brad Hanson, Yeah, who I mentioned earlier, was the real
mastermind behind all of them do it, the embezzlement and
the million dollar thefts from business partners. He taught me

(01:03:01):
didn't want to do it, No, no, he was, and
he told me you start, you start three solutions, and
then you can just milk this place for them. Larry
Wayne claimed that there was a culture of crime at
Signal Peak Energy and that he was but one cog
and a truly corrupt machine. Right, Unfortunately for him and
for Justice, Hanson, the former CEO, died at his Florida

(01:03:22):
home in twenty twenty before he could be questioned in
stand trial to corroborate if any of this was true. Now,
as for Signal Peak Energy, the company was fined for,
according to the New York Times quote, failing to report
worker injuries and for illegally dumping toxic slurry, chemicals and
unprocessed soil containing heavy metals arsenic and lead into an
abandoned section of the mine.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
But it stack fingers.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
There was also a bunch of lawsuits filed by locals
and environmentalist because they had been basically breaking all of
the regulations. So like the water was bad for the
local the cows that the ranchers were like dealing with
their dying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Oh yeah, but they drained the reservoir three feet of singers.
That's where they're throwing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
The fingers and a couple toes. Now. I don't know
about you, may Elizabeth, but I don't think a million
dollar fine is going to correct this sort of culture corruption,
if anything, to kind of be priced in is just
another cost of doing business.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Exactly. It takes money to make money, I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Say, this because, as The New York Times noted, and
I quote, industry experts say, the criminal activity points to
a bigger mystery. Despite the embezzlement, and despite the coal
industry's protracted decline, the company has been able to survive.
Many of Signal Peak's better positioned industry peers lost money
on call exports and went bankrupt. So what's Signal Peak Energy?

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Big secret? Yeah, might it be international money laundering because
remember the whole Putent inner circle thing. Yeah, keep that
in mind. Now to point out one energy financial analyst
from the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis, a
gentleman named Clark Williams Dairy. He told The Times quote
never quite made sense to me. How did Signal Peak

(01:05:02):
Energy even stay afloat? Now, like I said, I'm no
energy sector insider, a normal I am some coal mining expert,
but I do no crime. And may I suggest that
the Putin crony as I just did the member of
his inner circle. That's the big red flag for me that,
Like you want to know how they stayed in business,
I'll tell you. I got it for you. Check the
Panama papers. Yeah, well, so basically transnational corruption. I mean,

(01:05:24):
I saw it out in New York Times. But these folks,
they have plenty of money to burn, right, all kinds
of illegal flows of capital. What do they care about
the economic health of the mining industry or even environmental laws?
Oh at all. Once he was in court, Larry Wayne
Price Junior confess that thanks to a scheme of over
billing and fake equipment sales and whatnot, he was able

(01:05:45):
to steal roughly forty million dollars in total. He was
eventually convicted for his crimes, and in October twenty twenty,
he was sentenced to five years in prison plus three
years of probation after his prison sentence was complete. The
question for me is will that prison sentence be enough
to dissuade any future Larry Wayne's absolutely and you know

(01:06:05):
from attempting similar schemes.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Absolutely not. He won't do the full five No, he'll
get a job coming out, because it's not like part
of the sentence is that you're forbidden from working in
the industry energy industry, So he'll just get another gig.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Now, it seems like fines in prisons time, as I
said earlier, just another cost to factor in as a
price of doing business. Yeah, like oh, you got a
five year sentence tool all right, because it's gonna be like,
you know, low security prison and whatnot. So it's all
he's gonna have to worry about getting stabbed up by
anybody inside anyway. So also, if a person is able
to successfully offshore, they're ill gotten gains. This is just

(01:06:39):
like a five year vacation and they go off to
get to be rich and wherever they want around the world. Now,
if it weren't for his local waitress slash accomplice coming
clean about her involvement, justice might never have happened because
it was difficult to make this case until she came
forward for her so you know. And also not all
these guys are as dumb as old Larry Wayne, so

(01:07:00):
like some of them don't have the wags getting them
the clean shonies. Yeah, he's like, what our dream baby. Meanwhile,
there was that dream home, I'm sorry, dream castle, including
the moat and the stone tower and whatnot, the indoor
shooting range, the golf simulator, the bowling alley, the screening room,
indoor outdoor kitchens. By the way, once again they pointed
out still for sale. So if you're willing to get

(01:07:21):
out there, to concoct some illicit international business and see,
if you want to swing it, this could be yours. Perfect, Elizabeth,
I got to ask a question to you, Now, what's
a ridiculous takeaway here?

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
These people are crooked? And I say, and it's like
I gesture wildly. People are cooked. What's yours?

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
The the current administration might look favorably on someone who
tries to pull off some crimes of this nation, as
long as they're willing to kick a bribe up the ladder.
So you know, like, if you're going to read the wind,
now's the time to make these moves. There you go,
so you moved for a talkback.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
To watch all. I always am, oh my god, I jet.

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
Dark Becca here. I tell kids' stories almost weekly, and
I always have them close their eyes to help them
from being distracted. And no one day I was like,
you know what Saren and Elizabeth would do. They'd say,
close your eyes and the kids would say back, my
eyes are closed, and then they'd say picture it. And

(01:08:37):
so that's what I do now with the kids.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Okay, so those are now the coolest kids because they're
quoting us, quoting Dree. Oh my god, I love that.
It's effective though, right, like to center yourself into Becca.
I am so proud of you, hope.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
I hope you're enjoying a great summer of dark or
I guess it's still spring Rebecca, though.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
I think you know, I don't want us to be
Dark Rebecca and Dark Elizabeth forever.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
So you guys can like, you know, position in and
out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
You're doing good work though, Honestly, like telling stories to kids,
oh yeah, doesn't like if you're not familiar, it might
be like, okay, well what's that now? That is like
some of the most serious, essential future building work anyone
can do. And so Dark Becca hats off to you,
thank you for that.

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