March 3, 2026 • 25 mins
The videos of Bill and Hillary Clinton testifying before the House committee investigating Jeffery Epstein were released late yesterday. Most media outlets are playing the moment Hillary Clinton loses her cool, pounds the table and leaves her seat after finding out Congresswoman Lauren Boebert secretly took her picture and posted it online. But the remainder of the depositions show the Clinton’s answering repeated questions ranging from relevant to absurd and to insulting at times. We learn how Bill Clinton met Epstein , how Clinton explains the hot tub photo released in the files, and whether he thinks Donald Trump should testify. His answer may surprise you.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hey there, everybody. It is Tuesday, March third. Welcome to
this episode of Amy and TJ, where we are all
waking up talking about the Clinton tapes. Yes, those nine
hours of testimony by Bill and Hillary Clinton in front
of that House committee talking about the Jeffrey Epstein investigation.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Those videos have been released.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
And the big headline everyone is focused on, because the
video is probably the most exciting out of all the
nine hours that journalists have been pouring over, is Hillary
Clinton losing her cool. I wouldn't call it unhinged as
we heard it described, but she did get visibly frustrated
multiple times, answering the same questions over and over.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Do you call it visibly? I call it justifiably alutely
she's in this and all this set up. Look, she
had every right to do more than she did. She
should have stormed out of that. She'd have flipped the
table over and I would have said, Okay, I know
a lot of people on the other side. This is
Hillary Clinton. This is typical she's up there line. This
is just doing that's the line. But folks, this was
supposed to be something fair that was negotiated. We heard
(01:19):
about this moment. We're seeing it on video, and quite frankly,
it's not a whole lot that came out of this.
So I think a lot of people are focusing on that.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Thing exactly, and the point being, this is supposed to
be information gathering, This is supposed to shed light on
the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. And truly it was what the
Clintons thought it was going to be, and I think
what most people will acknowledge it was when they see
these videos. This was about political theater and nothing else.
(01:48):
This wasn't about getting to the bottom of it.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I did think it was.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Interesting though, that Bill Clinton when he got up there
and testified. Yes, he reiterated that Hillary should not have
been subpoena period, but he said that he understood why
he was called a testify. He said, I think you
should have called me. I did take those plane trips
with him, and you have a right to ask those questions.
I thought that was extremely an exceptionally fair of the
(02:14):
former president.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It makes sense. Yes, I knew the guy, she didn't. Yeah,
he made that mentioning look. Plenty of folks on both
sides came out and were complimentary to him for showing
up and answering every question.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yes, indeed, we'll begin with Hillary Clinton's testimony.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
She went up first, and certainly that is the video though.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
That is what you're going to be seeing when you
turn on the television today or you go online.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It's going to be Hillary.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Clinton getting frustrated multiple times, and they kept asking her
about Jeffrey Epstein. I thought that was was that a
tactic on their part because she has made it very
clear multiple times she said, I am so tired of
answering that question. If you have won scintilla of evidence
to the contrary, put it forward. I've never been to
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his island, period. I have never been in his homes,
his office, is his anything. I don't know how many
times you have to say the same thing over and
over and over again.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
This is all just a waste of time. She didn't
say anything that all of them didn't know already going in.
It only takes one of them on a thirty member committee,
thirty plus member committee, only one needs to ask that question.
They didn't have anything to ask. They ran out of things.
That's fine, but she didn't say anything new. She certainly didn't.
(03:32):
Bill Clinton might have given some insights that we didn't know.
But Hillary Clinton, it's just it feels. I didn't even
call it political theater. There wasn't even enough theater. It's
nine hours and the only thing you're going to see
on TV today, folks, is this clip running of her
pounding the table, getting upset, getting up, walking out, Because
(03:52):
that was the moment that Lauren Bobert of Colorado, Republican
congresswoman posted a picture, and that was the moment that
it all went down, and that's what people were curious
to see. What roads It lasted a matter of seconds, yes,
out of nine hours of testimony.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And clearly that is what Congresswoman Bobert was hoping.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
What happen?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
She was pushing her and so Yes takes a picture
of her without her knowing it. They find out it's published.
Hillary Clinton finds out about it, and this is the
clip you'll hear. She says, I'm done with this. If
you guys are doing that, I am done. You can
hold me in contempt from now until the cows come home.
This is just typical behavior. And that is when Lauren Bobert,
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you can hear her in the video saying I did
post one and Clinton says, oh for heaven's sake, and
that's when she pounds the table, she gets up, and
she leaves for thirty minutes. And that is when we
now know, or we heard at the time. The Clintons
and Hillary Clinton and her team then reiterated that they
wanted this hearing open to the public period.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Not happening, not going to happen. And this was the
whole point. This would have been a really boring live
hearing to watch. It really was. I mean, the stuff
the exercise with Ller Clinton was just it was an exercise.
Someone will say, yes, got her on the record, and
this needed to be done, and that's fine, but the
where at war and the government is partially shut down. Okay,
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they find it's important for the victims. If I'm trying robes,
I'm trying to give some space for someone sincerely wanting
her to come before this committee because they thought she
could add to an investigation that's going to give healing
enclosure to the victims of the Epstein controversy. Really, somebody
thought that, okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Fine, and you know, to your really so we have
Representative Nancy Mace, who we have interviewed and we have
sat down with out of South Carolina, who has made
it very clear that she is a victim's advocate, that
she too is a victim of sexual assault. But she
asked Hillary she went there, She said, when you saw
your husband in these photos with young women being massaged,
what went through your mind?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That was a lolo?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
How is that getting to to the heart of the
Epstein investigation.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It's fine if she thoughts this that was a low blow.
Was it was almost mean? That was tough man. And
I'm trying to give Nancy may some space here as well,
robes that she thought this was a sincere or meaningful
question or even a relevant one to ask about Hillary
Clinton's emotion in seeing the photos. That helps us help
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the victims in what way? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
To me, that was the most glaring example of exactly
what this was all about. And by the way, Clinton,
Hillary Clinton has answered plenty of questions like that over
the years. She just said, I'm not going to speculate,
so she didn't take debit.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
That was good to see.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I personally thought it was one of the lowest moments.
Was Lauren Bobert not just taking the photo, but then
asking her about Pizzagate and for any of you who
don't know what Pizzagate is, you can sum it up
like this, this fairly ridiculous online conspiracy theory that somehow
got legs that actually created an incident that Clinton Hillary
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Clinton was a part of some child sex ring operating
out of a DC pizzeria basement. And so to see
the former Secretary of State, the former First Lady, the
former New York senator actually have to talk about Pizzagate
saying it was totally made up, an outrageous allegation that
ended up hurting a number of people, caused a deranged
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young man to show up with an assault rifle and
shoot up a local pizzeria. I actually thought it was
irresponsible of Lauren Bobert to bring it up, given that
there are some people out there who truly believe this
and have actually caused harm because of it.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well, that's why it's not, in her mind, in other
people's minds, irresponsible, because there are people out there who
believe this, and she might be one of them, and
that's fine. There are people who are listening who said
who will never ever believe a word that comes out
of the Clinton's mouth, including that Pizzagate is absurd and
it's never obviously, what proven, where has that ever been?
(08:00):
It's not It's just something that went crazy online, and
it's made it to a congressional deposition with the former
first Lady, former senator of former Secretary of State under
oath and I'm going to ask you about some wild
online theory. Fine, she thinks that helps the Epstein victims
in some way.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Okay, I did think it was interesting. Hillary Clinton went
much further than her husband did on whether or not
she thought President Trump should also be compelled to testify,
because that is among some of what came out of this.
At least there was President said in a lot of
folks minds, and there are plenty of Democrats who want
to see President Trump subpoened in this investigation or in
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these hearings. And she had this to say about President Trump,
the President of the United States is not above the
law and should be in a setting like this answering
questions under oath, as should others who are prominently featured
in the files, and especially the group that is featured
after two thousand and eight. She makes a very valid
point also, so again in that way, why am I here?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Why am I being asked.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Questions about my emotions behind seeing photos.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I think we all I think it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Was very obvious why she was there after we saw
the video.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Because they want to help the victims heal. Okay, that's why, yes,
of course, all right, Hillary Clinton is the key to
their healing.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So while Hillary Clinton literally had nothing to offer and
said she had nothing to offer the committee in terms
of any sort of information towards this investigation, Bill Clinton,
as he pointed out, potentially did and so he did
sit down. And by the way, the first time a
former president was compelled to testify before a congressional committee.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And look, he testified.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
We've heard this before that he never saw he never
heard Jeffrey Epstein talk about sex. He never saw any
massages with young girls. And I thought this was interesting.
He said he didn't find him creepy, but he found
him odd.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
That's that actually makes sense. That it's almost impossible or
unfathomable that what we now know about him was going
on while he was running in circles and coming off
completely normal. And I guess this is something we know
about pedophiles. They have a way of being able to
present themselves as perfectly normal. But this guy was able
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to fool folks who aren't fooled that easily by bullshitters,
if you will. But no, that's to hear. Yeah, he's
an odd guy, but nothing crazy. And that's a good point,
Robes about this was all pre conviction Epstein. Trump was
in the orbit during that time and after that time
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a little bit, was it not? Yes, okay, so yeah
you would, you could easily. I don't care who you are, Robes,
that's just in front of you. Easy argument that Trump
should even have been called before Clinton.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
You could argue absolutely, and there are plenty well, all
Democrats have been clamoring for that.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
So when we come back, we're going to talk.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I thought this was really fascinating how Bill Clinton first
met Epstein, why he became friendly with him, and what
he thinks about President Trump, because he actually differed from
his wife Hillary on answering that question.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And welcome back everyone.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
As we continue to talk about these video tapes that
have just been released of Hillary and Bill Clinton testifying
before the House Oversight Committee on the Jeffrey Epstein investigation,
Hillary got a little feisty.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
She left for.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
About thirty minutes after that picture was released and posted
against all House rules, and yeah, she lost her cool
a couple of times. She was visibly frustrated. And a
lot of people say rightfully, justifiably. So now Bill Clinton
kept his cool. Not to be surprised by that, certainly
(12:00):
has had his fair share of depositions.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
But I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
We learned how he first met Jeffrey Epstein through his
former Treasury secretary Larry Summers, who's.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Got all kinds of problems these days, right.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
We've heard his name quite a bit, of course.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
He just he had removed himself from much of his
public life and just in the last week or so,
stepped down from Harvard, which was a very prestigious probably
one of the most prestigious positions you could have as
a tenured professor there at Harvard.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
But hey, I can work here for the rest of
my life. Harvard wants me with them until I die.
You don't give up that job. That's like executive producer
of sixty minutes, remember that guy. Yes, it's one of
those things.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
These are positions that people don't leave voluntarily. Yes, so
it was back to Larry Summers. But this is what
Bill Clinton had to say about Summers. He said Summers
was calling because a man named Jeffrey Epstein who had
made a substantial commitment of several million dollars to brain research,
and he was information hungry and he wanted to spend
some time talking to me about economics and politics.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So he told him that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
He said that, Larry Summer said, hey, he's got this
massive airplane. He'll take you, your staff, your secret service detail,
anybody else you want to bring on the trips to
set up a global network to provide life saving AIDS
medicine to as many people as possible, as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So Bill Clinton said, hey, I was you.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Know, he was basically given the stamp of approval by
someone he trusted. But he said he became pretty quickly
over a period of time that it seemed as though
Epstein wasn't as interested in the philanthropic endeavors that Clinton
was taking on, and so he kind of just removed
himself from the situation.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
It was interesting to hear that even the president of
former resident of the United States appreciates the hookup. Oh that
was interesting to me, Like we all have been in
that position before. We hang in with somebody. Oh you
got the car, Oh you got this oh, you got
the house up in Montauks. We can roll to hear
the president said, he as if this made life easier
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on him because someone provided him a service. Now it's
the former president. Taxpayer money and this and that and
what's left over and how much money had in the bank.
Flying private is expensive.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
It's very expensive.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Okay, so this guy is offering I thought that was
interesting to put whatever aside and to let this new
guy into your orbit because he had a plane. This
is how Jeffrey Epstein did this. He dangled millions, and
he dangled opportunity, he dangled planes, he dangled islands. He
did all this stuff, and people fell.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
For and yeah, and you know what, he dangled credibility
because of that, because enough people fell for it. When
you're a prominent or wealthy or powerful person and you
see other wealthy, powerful, prominent people around this guy, that's
kind of like street cred You don't even need to
do a background check because maybe you assume everyone else
already has.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Summers was his commerce secretary or was he it was
his secretary treasure Sorry, yeah, yes.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
And so then, of course, as you might imagine, Bill
Clinton had to answer for some of the photos that
had been released, and so there was that hot tub,
just the one that's.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Come on now, you said photos. There's only one one photo.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Massage in an airport by an unknown woman.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I didn't see the airport.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
And then there's the hot tub. He said.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Obviously he did nothing sexual. He said he didn't know
the women. He said they were all over eighteen. He
was in Brunei, and he said he was at the pool,
he was tired, secret service was there and he went
to bed afterwards.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
End of story.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
But he also explained, you're only seeing He said, it
was a big pool with a bunch of people in it,
and there's just one angleage shot and it looks like
those are the only two. It is not the case
at all, although that wasn't He explained that photo in
a way that has not been explained.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yes, and think about it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I don't know you don't like hot tubs, but I
have been at a hotel and gotten into a hot tub,
and there have been other people in the hot tub
with me and could have taken a photo at an
angle that looked like I was sitting. You know, That's
that is understandable for anyone who has been in a
hotel hot.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Wow, that's so I need to wait for a picture
of you coming out with some guy who is he.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I don't think that's happening, but yes, just saying the
massage in the airport, I thought it was interesting. He
said his neck had spasmed and that one of the
women offered to help.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
This is a quote from him.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
The problem I remember from that trip was my neck
had spasmed and I was in pain. So they offered
to help, and I let them help. So that's how
he described this massage.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
That's the only answer I heard that I could kind
of go okay, man, but still it's believable, and that, yes,
you had a neck spasm. Should you allow some other
woman you don't know, and that your wife doesn't know,
to put her hands on you outside of a massage
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of therapy business.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You're gonna have.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
To answer to your wife for sure if that photo
comes out, but if you're president, maybe to other.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Folks answer to her. He still shouldn't have to answer
to it committee under Oh for it.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
What did you think about his exchange with Nancy Mays
about this deposition in twenty sixteen, where Epstein allegedly told
a victim that the former president likes them young, and
then Nancy Mayce makes a reference to Monica Lewinsky.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Again, it wasn't we talked about, Oh yeah, the low blow.
So yes, this was the other unnecessary meant to embarrass.
And this would have been the moment if this was
on live television, this would have been the moment that
a bunch of networks would have played over and over
and over again. If she feels that this helps the
victims in some way, what was she trying to get at?
(17:37):
I don't know, and don't know what. Then Nancy May's
herd oo. But yeah, that was how that gets us
to where we are trying to get in this investigation
where all of this stuff, what nine hours, ten hours
worth of depositions? How much closer did we move to
justice or healing for the victim?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Seriously, I would say we didn't move, not even an inch,
not even an inch. Now on Glene Maxwell, I thought
this was also interesting. He acknowledged a friendship and he said,
I think that this thing was really hard for me
when it came out, because you know, we had been
friendly with Glaine. I was sad, but it was terrible
what she did, and she has to be punished.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But he wouldn't say.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
He said it wasn't for him to say whether or
not she should be pardoned. But I thought that was
a genuine response. He wasn't trying to act as though
they were barely friends, or they weren't friends, or he
hardly knew her. He said that it was it made
him sad, and I thought that was a genuine answer.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What now do you do with that? Right? He was
smart not to answer the other question because that would
have been a headline. Trump or Clinton realize Glene Maxwell
should be pardoned or should not be pardoned, both of
those who have made headline. That's not my call. He
left it that that was good political Bill Clinton in
that moment. So, yeah, he gave a real answer that
didn't give you a whole lot of ways to come
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back at him. Yep, I knew her, YEP, I knew
her fairly well, Yeah, it kind of so when I
found out about what she was up to. End of story, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Can't really take that anywhere.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And the last point, and on that same line of thinking,
he was I didn't think about the fact that, yes,
if he had answered either way, that would have been
a headline, and he knew it, so he gave a
noncommittal answer. I hadn't even considered that that was strategic,
but that.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And it probably is the same with what he had
to say about President Trump, because we mentioned Hillary Clinton
made it very clear she thinks President Trump should be
compelled to testify. Bill Clinton said something different. He said,
that's for you to decide. But he did know him well,
so we kind of left a little breadcrumbing, and then
when he got pushed further on it, he said, well,
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he'd be on my list. I just think that he
was very statesman like when he said that, Oh.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, well, and he look Glaine Maxwell is one thing
when she gave her testimony or interviews and things, she
said that she didn't see Trump do anything wrong. I
thought Bill Clinton vouched for Trump. He did in a
way that now that when we talked about headlines, I
was asking you, what was the biggest thing that came out.
Now that I'm sitting here and talking about it, I
think that might have been huge, including huge for Trump.
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He probably wasn't expecting that, but Bill Clinton seemed to
crazy the sounds and forgive the language, a character witness
of sorts for Donald Trump and this whole thing. I
was surprised by that.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
You know, It's funny because I was surprised.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
A few days earlier before the testimony, we heard Trump
say he didn't think or he felt bad for Bill Clinton.
He didn't think that he should have to be testifying.
So it was like there was a little friendship going
on back and forth behind the scenes between Bill Clinton
and President Trump. But he did also shed a little
light into his understanding of why President Trump and Jeffrey
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Epstein ultimately fell out. We know that Trump has claimed
that it was because he was creepy and poaching girls
from mar al Lago, but Bill Clinton testified that Trump
fell out with Epstein over a real estate deal. He
said they both wanted the same land or the same house,
or the same something, and they fell out over that.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And that's a very different story than what Trump tells.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
But they fell out. But again, Clinton even said he
had a conversation or two with Trump about it and
about Epstein, and nothing really came out of it. Didn't
think I was very surprised. No excuse me, I shouldn't
say that. It almost seemed like it seemed to ought
to have Clinton and Trump on the same team, not
that they need to or even have an incentive to
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defend each other, but this is a very exclusive club
of former presidents first of all, and now we got
former presidents involved with Epstein. That's an even smaller club.
And these two have insights and I think one of
the most ropes. There are people out there arguing about
what Trump knew, what he didn't know, and said he
should be in jail, and others saying he didn't know anything.
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I think one of the best witnesses for Trump has
been Bill Clinton because of who he is, certainly and
because of what he knows, and for him to be
under oath and almost vouch for Trump in a life
out of what Trump has been saying publicly, that was fascinating.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, Bill Clinton might have been the best thing that
ever happened to President Trump when it comes to the
Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Investigation and have that on a Bingo cad.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Well, the transcripts are still to come they and by
the way, this video some of it was redacted. The
transcripts have to be approved by both the Clintons, but
people will be expecting that as well, because you know,
journalists spent long, long hours into the night going through
these tapes trying to see if there was any big, big,
huge moment, and really and truly, it was just Hillary
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Clinton upset over that photo being released. And that's about
the biggest firework that happened in nine hours of testimony.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
But it's too bad, and this is what you know, what,
damn it worlds. That's a shame that too often we
all of us look at these hearings and we're looking
for what fireworks instead of actual information that's going to
further something along. And it happened once again. It's just
this time the fireworks weren't live for all of us
to see. And now we're looking at the depositions. It's
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nothing to it, really because nobody's fighting and arguing and yelling.
That's too bad. This is not what this was about.
I haven't seen reaction, have you yet from any of
the Epstein survivors and the Epstein victims?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You know what I haven't.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
And that's a really good point because it would be
interesting to see what they had to say about this,
because this exercise yes and yes, and the point being
that there was nothing new that advanced this investigation based
on what Hillary and Bill had to say.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I do think it was important.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I actually do think it was important that Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I'm glad he testified. I'm glad that he testified under oath.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I think maybe for the Clintons, you may laugh when
I say this, maybe they can finally put this behind
them after having done this.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I don't know what else you can ask these folks for.
He's under oath, and every republic who has every incentive
to get this guy through everything about Epstein, they could
come up with at him, and he walks away, really
Robes looking the same he did as he did when
he walked in. I don't know anything else. He explained
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a few other things. He explained a picture which didn't
make it worse. It made me go, oh, okay, because
the picture looks bad. Yes it does, and without the context.
But some people say, oh, he's just lying. That's not
That's fine. But Robes, what else do you want to do?
What do we do now? Keep digging through the files.
There's his name again, Keep digging, keep digging. Okay, But
(24:28):
that's why I want to hear from the victims and
what they think about this now what they think about Clinton?
Now moving forward, do we need to now move on
to the next thing and the next name? Who is that?
Because what's the biggest name outside of this one, Robes,
it's Trump. Maybe they could get Summers in there, Maybe
they could get.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Maybe they can get Andrew in there. I know there's
been conversations about the former Prince.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Okay, I think you need to pipe down, pipsqueak.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
We will, of course continue to follow all of the
developments out of this House Oversight Committee see who they
can compel to testify next. But with that, everyone, thank
you so much for listening to us. I'm made me
Robock alongside TJ. Holmes. Look for Morning run coming up
in just a bit. We always appreciate you. Have a
great day.
Hey there, everybody. It is Tuesday, March third. Welcome to
this episode of Amy and TJ, where we are all
waking up talking about the Clinton tapes. Yes, those nine
hours of testimony by Bill and Hillary Clinton in front
of that House committee talking about the Jeffrey Epstein investigation.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Those videos have been released.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
And the big headline everyone is focused on, because the
video is probably the most exciting out of all the
nine hours that journalists have been pouring over, is Hillary
Clinton losing her cool. I wouldn't call it unhinged as
we heard it described, but she did get visibly frustrated
multiple times, answering the same questions over and over.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Do you call it visibly? I call it justifiably alutely
she's in this and all this set up. Look, she
had every right to do more than she did. She
should have stormed out of that. She'd have flipped the
table over and I would have said, Okay, I know
a lot of people on the other side. This is
Hillary Clinton. This is typical she's up there line. This
is just doing that's the line. But folks, this was
supposed to be something fair that was negotiated. We heard
(01:19):
about this moment. We're seeing it on video, and quite frankly,
it's not a whole lot that came out of this.
So I think a lot of people are focusing on that.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Thing exactly, and the point being, this is supposed to
be information gathering, This is supposed to shed light on
the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. And truly it was what the
Clintons thought it was going to be, and I think
what most people will acknowledge it was when they see
these videos. This was about political theater and nothing else.
(01:48):
This wasn't about getting to the bottom of it.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I did think it was.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Interesting though, that Bill Clinton when he got up there
and testified. Yes, he reiterated that Hillary should not have
been subpoena period, but he said that he understood why
he was called a testify. He said, I think you
should have called me. I did take those plane trips
with him, and you have a right to ask those questions.
I thought that was extremely an exceptionally fair of the
(02:14):
former president.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It makes sense. Yes, I knew the guy, she didn't. Yeah,
he made that mentioning look. Plenty of folks on both
sides came out and were complimentary to him for showing
up and answering every question.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yes, indeed, we'll begin with Hillary Clinton's testimony.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
She went up first, and certainly that is the video though.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
That is what you're going to be seeing when you
turn on the television today or you go online.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It's going to be Hillary.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Clinton getting frustrated multiple times, and they kept asking her
about Jeffrey Epstein. I thought that was was that a
tactic on their part because she has made it very
clear multiple times she said, I am so tired of
answering that question. If you have won scintilla of evidence
to the contrary, put it forward. I've never been to
(03:00):
his island, period. I have never been in his homes,
his office, is his anything. I don't know how many
times you have to say the same thing over and
over and over again.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
This is all just a waste of time. She didn't
say anything that all of them didn't know already going in.
It only takes one of them on a thirty member committee,
thirty plus member committee, only one needs to ask that question.
They didn't have anything to ask. They ran out of things.
That's fine, but she didn't say anything new. She certainly didn't.
(03:32):
Bill Clinton might have given some insights that we didn't know.
But Hillary Clinton, it's just it feels. I didn't even
call it political theater. There wasn't even enough theater. It's
nine hours and the only thing you're going to see
on TV today, folks, is this clip running of her
pounding the table, getting upset, getting up, walking out, Because
(03:52):
that was the moment that Lauren Bobert of Colorado, Republican
congresswoman posted a picture, and that was the moment that
it all went down, and that's what people were curious
to see. What roads It lasted a matter of seconds, yes,
out of nine hours of testimony.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And clearly that is what Congresswoman Bobert was hoping.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
What happen?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
She was pushing her and so Yes takes a picture
of her without her knowing it. They find out it's published.
Hillary Clinton finds out about it, and this is the
clip you'll hear. She says, I'm done with this. If
you guys are doing that, I am done. You can
hold me in contempt from now until the cows come home.
This is just typical behavior. And that is when Lauren Bobert,
(04:29):
you can hear her in the video saying I did
post one and Clinton says, oh for heaven's sake, and
that's when she pounds the table, she gets up, and
she leaves for thirty minutes. And that is when we
now know, or we heard at the time. The Clintons
and Hillary Clinton and her team then reiterated that they
wanted this hearing open to the public period.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Not happening, not going to happen. And this was the
whole point. This would have been a really boring live
hearing to watch. It really was. I mean, the stuff
the exercise with Ller Clinton was just it was an exercise.
Someone will say, yes, got her on the record, and
this needed to be done, and that's fine, but the
where at war and the government is partially shut down. Okay,
(05:12):
they find it's important for the victims. If I'm trying robes,
I'm trying to give some space for someone sincerely wanting
her to come before this committee because they thought she
could add to an investigation that's going to give healing
enclosure to the victims of the Epstein controversy. Really, somebody
thought that, okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Fine, and you know, to your really so we have
Representative Nancy Mace, who we have interviewed and we have
sat down with out of South Carolina, who has made
it very clear that she is a victim's advocate, that
she too is a victim of sexual assault. But she
asked Hillary she went there, She said, when you saw
your husband in these photos with young women being massaged,
what went through your mind?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That was a lolo?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
How is that getting to to the heart of the
Epstein investigation.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It's fine if she thoughts this that was a low blow.
Was it was almost mean? That was tough man. And
I'm trying to give Nancy may some space here as well,
robes that she thought this was a sincere or meaningful
question or even a relevant one to ask about Hillary
Clinton's emotion in seeing the photos. That helps us help
(06:22):
the victims in what way? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
To me, that was the most glaring example of exactly
what this was all about. And by the way, Clinton,
Hillary Clinton has answered plenty of questions like that over
the years. She just said, I'm not going to speculate,
so she didn't take debit.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
That was good to see.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I personally thought it was one of the lowest moments.
Was Lauren Bobert not just taking the photo, but then
asking her about Pizzagate and for any of you who
don't know what Pizzagate is, you can sum it up
like this, this fairly ridiculous online conspiracy theory that somehow
got legs that actually created an incident that Clinton Hillary
(07:03):
Clinton was a part of some child sex ring operating
out of a DC pizzeria basement. And so to see
the former Secretary of State, the former First Lady, the
former New York senator actually have to talk about Pizzagate
saying it was totally made up, an outrageous allegation that
ended up hurting a number of people, caused a deranged
(07:24):
young man to show up with an assault rifle and
shoot up a local pizzeria. I actually thought it was
irresponsible of Lauren Bobert to bring it up, given that
there are some people out there who truly believe this
and have actually caused harm because of it.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well, that's why it's not, in her mind, in other
people's minds, irresponsible, because there are people out there who
believe this, and she might be one of them, and
that's fine. There are people who are listening who said
who will never ever believe a word that comes out
of the Clinton's mouth, including that Pizzagate is absurd and
it's never obviously, what proven, where has that ever been?
(08:00):
It's not It's just something that went crazy online, and
it's made it to a congressional deposition with the former
first Lady, former senator of former Secretary of State under
oath and I'm going to ask you about some wild
online theory. Fine, she thinks that helps the Epstein victims
in some way.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Okay, I did think it was interesting. Hillary Clinton went
much further than her husband did on whether or not
she thought President Trump should also be compelled to testify,
because that is among some of what came out of this.
At least there was President said in a lot of
folks minds, and there are plenty of Democrats who want
to see President Trump subpoened in this investigation or in
(08:41):
these hearings. And she had this to say about President Trump,
the President of the United States is not above the
law and should be in a setting like this answering
questions under oath, as should others who are prominently featured
in the files, and especially the group that is featured
after two thousand and eight. She makes a very valid
point also, so again in that way, why am I here?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Why am I being asked.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Questions about my emotions behind seeing photos.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I think we all I think it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Was very obvious why she was there after we saw
the video.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Because they want to help the victims heal. Okay, that's why, yes,
of course, all right, Hillary Clinton is the key to
their healing.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So while Hillary Clinton literally had nothing to offer and
said she had nothing to offer the committee in terms
of any sort of information towards this investigation, Bill Clinton,
as he pointed out, potentially did and so he did
sit down. And by the way, the first time a
former president was compelled to testify before a congressional committee.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And look, he testified.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
We've heard this before that he never saw he never
heard Jeffrey Epstein talk about sex. He never saw any
massages with young girls. And I thought this was interesting.
He said he didn't find him creepy, but he found
him odd.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
That's that actually makes sense. That it's almost impossible or
unfathomable that what we now know about him was going
on while he was running in circles and coming off
completely normal. And I guess this is something we know
about pedophiles. They have a way of being able to
present themselves as perfectly normal. But this guy was able
(10:20):
to fool folks who aren't fooled that easily by bullshitters,
if you will. But no, that's to hear. Yeah, he's
an odd guy, but nothing crazy. And that's a good point,
Robes about this was all pre conviction Epstein. Trump was
in the orbit during that time and after that time
(10:41):
a little bit, was it not? Yes, okay, so yeah
you would, you could easily. I don't care who you are, Robes,
that's just in front of you. Easy argument that Trump
should even have been called before Clinton.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
You could argue absolutely, and there are plenty well, all
Democrats have been clamoring for that.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
So when we come back, we're going to talk.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I thought this was really fascinating how Bill Clinton first
met Epstein, why he became friendly with him, and what
he thinks about President Trump, because he actually differed from
his wife Hillary on answering that question.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And welcome back everyone.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
As we continue to talk about these video tapes that
have just been released of Hillary and Bill Clinton testifying
before the House Oversight Committee on the Jeffrey Epstein investigation,
Hillary got a little feisty.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
She left for.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
About thirty minutes after that picture was released and posted
against all House rules, and yeah, she lost her cool
a couple of times. She was visibly frustrated. And a
lot of people say rightfully, justifiably. So now Bill Clinton
kept his cool. Not to be surprised by that, certainly
(12:00):
has had his fair share of depositions.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
But I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
We learned how he first met Jeffrey Epstein through his
former Treasury secretary Larry Summers, who's.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Got all kinds of problems these days, right.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
We've heard his name quite a bit, of course.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
He just he had removed himself from much of his
public life and just in the last week or so,
stepped down from Harvard, which was a very prestigious probably
one of the most prestigious positions you could have as
a tenured professor there at Harvard.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
But hey, I can work here for the rest of
my life. Harvard wants me with them until I die.
You don't give up that job. That's like executive producer
of sixty minutes, remember that guy. Yes, it's one of
those things.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
These are positions that people don't leave voluntarily. Yes, so
it was back to Larry Summers. But this is what
Bill Clinton had to say about Summers. He said Summers
was calling because a man named Jeffrey Epstein who had
made a substantial commitment of several million dollars to brain research,
and he was information hungry and he wanted to spend
some time talking to me about economics and politics.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So he told him that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
He said that, Larry Summer said, hey, he's got this
massive airplane. He'll take you, your staff, your secret service detail,
anybody else you want to bring on the trips to
set up a global network to provide life saving AIDS
medicine to as many people as possible, as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So Bill Clinton said, hey, I was you.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Know, he was basically given the stamp of approval by
someone he trusted. But he said he became pretty quickly
over a period of time that it seemed as though
Epstein wasn't as interested in the philanthropic endeavors that Clinton
was taking on, and so he kind of just removed
himself from the situation.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
It was interesting to hear that even the president of
former resident of the United States appreciates the hookup. Oh that
was interesting to me, Like we all have been in
that position before. We hang in with somebody. Oh you
got the car, Oh you got this oh, you got
the house up in Montauks. We can roll to hear
the president said, he as if this made life easier
(14:05):
on him because someone provided him a service. Now it's
the former president. Taxpayer money and this and that and
what's left over and how much money had in the bank.
Flying private is expensive.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
It's very expensive.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Okay, so this guy is offering I thought that was
interesting to put whatever aside and to let this new
guy into your orbit because he had a plane. This
is how Jeffrey Epstein did this. He dangled millions, and
he dangled opportunity, he dangled planes, he dangled islands. He
did all this stuff, and people fell.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
For and yeah, and you know what, he dangled credibility
because of that, because enough people fell for it. When
you're a prominent or wealthy or powerful person and you
see other wealthy, powerful, prominent people around this guy, that's
kind of like street cred You don't even need to
do a background check because maybe you assume everyone else
already has.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Summers was his commerce secretary or was he it was
his secretary treasure Sorry, yeah, yes.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
And so then, of course, as you might imagine, Bill
Clinton had to answer for some of the photos that
had been released, and so there was that hot tub,
just the one that's.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Come on now, you said photos. There's only one one photo.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Massage in an airport by an unknown woman.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I didn't see the airport.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
And then there's the hot tub. He said.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Obviously he did nothing sexual. He said he didn't know
the women. He said they were all over eighteen. He
was in Brunei, and he said he was at the pool,
he was tired, secret service was there and he went
to bed afterwards.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
End of story.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
But he also explained, you're only seeing He said, it
was a big pool with a bunch of people in it,
and there's just one angleage shot and it looks like
those are the only two. It is not the case
at all, although that wasn't He explained that photo in
a way that has not been explained.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yes, and think about it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I don't know you don't like hot tubs, but I
have been at a hotel and gotten into a hot tub,
and there have been other people in the hot tub
with me and could have taken a photo at an
angle that looked like I was sitting. You know, That's
that is understandable for anyone who has been in a
hotel hot.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Wow, that's so I need to wait for a picture
of you coming out with some guy who is he.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I don't think that's happening, but yes, just saying the
massage in the airport, I thought it was interesting. He
said his neck had spasmed and that one of the
women offered to help.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
This is a quote from him.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
The problem I remember from that trip was my neck
had spasmed and I was in pain. So they offered
to help, and I let them help. So that's how
he described this massage.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
That's the only answer I heard that I could kind
of go okay, man, but still it's believable, and that, yes,
you had a neck spasm. Should you allow some other
woman you don't know, and that your wife doesn't know,
to put her hands on you outside of a massage
(16:48):
of therapy business.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You're gonna have.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
To answer to your wife for sure if that photo
comes out, but if you're president, maybe to other.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Folks answer to her. He still shouldn't have to answer
to it committee under Oh for it.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
What did you think about his exchange with Nancy Mays
about this deposition in twenty sixteen, where Epstein allegedly told
a victim that the former president likes them young, and
then Nancy Mayce makes a reference to Monica Lewinsky.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Again, it wasn't we talked about, Oh yeah, the low blow.
So yes, this was the other unnecessary meant to embarrass.
And this would have been the moment if this was
on live television, this would have been the moment that
a bunch of networks would have played over and over
and over again. If she feels that this helps the
victims in some way, what was she trying to get at?
(17:37):
I don't know, and don't know what. Then Nancy May's
herd oo. But yeah, that was how that gets us
to where we are trying to get in this investigation
where all of this stuff, what nine hours, ten hours
worth of depositions? How much closer did we move to
justice or healing for the victim?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Seriously, I would say we didn't move, not even an inch,
not even an inch. Now on Glene Maxwell, I thought
this was also interesting. He acknowledged a friendship and he said,
I think that this thing was really hard for me
when it came out, because you know, we had been
friendly with Glaine. I was sad, but it was terrible
what she did, and she has to be punished.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But he wouldn't say.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
He said it wasn't for him to say whether or
not she should be pardoned. But I thought that was
a genuine response. He wasn't trying to act as though
they were barely friends, or they weren't friends, or he
hardly knew her. He said that it was it made
him sad, and I thought that was a genuine answer.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What now do you do with that? Right? He was
smart not to answer the other question because that would
have been a headline. Trump or Clinton realize Glene Maxwell
should be pardoned or should not be pardoned, both of
those who have made headline. That's not my call. He
left it that that was good political Bill Clinton in
that moment. So, yeah, he gave a real answer that
didn't give you a whole lot of ways to come
(18:54):
back at him. Yep, I knew her, YEP, I knew
her fairly well, Yeah, it kind of so when I
found out about what she was up to. End of story, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Can't really take that anywhere.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And the last point, and on that same line of thinking,
he was I didn't think about the fact that, yes,
if he had answered either way, that would have been
a headline, and he knew it, so he gave a
noncommittal answer. I hadn't even considered that that was strategic,
but that.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And it probably is the same with what he had
to say about President Trump, because we mentioned Hillary Clinton
made it very clear she thinks President Trump should be
compelled to testify. Bill Clinton said something different. He said,
that's for you to decide. But he did know him well,
so we kind of left a little breadcrumbing, and then
when he got pushed further on it, he said, well,
(19:42):
he'd be on my list. I just think that he
was very statesman like when he said that, Oh.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, well, and he look Glaine Maxwell is one thing
when she gave her testimony or interviews and things, she
said that she didn't see Trump do anything wrong. I
thought Bill Clinton vouched for Trump. He did in a
way that now that when we talked about headlines, I
was asking you, what was the biggest thing that came out.
Now that I'm sitting here and talking about it, I
think that might have been huge, including huge for Trump.
(20:11):
He probably wasn't expecting that, but Bill Clinton seemed to
crazy the sounds and forgive the language, a character witness
of sorts for Donald Trump and this whole thing. I
was surprised by that.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
You know, It's funny because I was surprised.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
A few days earlier before the testimony, we heard Trump
say he didn't think or he felt bad for Bill Clinton.
He didn't think that he should have to be testifying.
So it was like there was a little friendship going
on back and forth behind the scenes between Bill Clinton
and President Trump. But he did also shed a little
light into his understanding of why President Trump and Jeffrey
(20:45):
Epstein ultimately fell out. We know that Trump has claimed
that it was because he was creepy and poaching girls
from mar al Lago, but Bill Clinton testified that Trump
fell out with Epstein over a real estate deal. He
said they both wanted the same land or the same house,
or the same something, and they fell out over that.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And that's a very different story than what Trump tells.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
But they fell out. But again, Clinton even said he
had a conversation or two with Trump about it and
about Epstein, and nothing really came out of it. Didn't
think I was very surprised. No excuse me, I shouldn't
say that. It almost seemed like it seemed to ought
to have Clinton and Trump on the same team, not
that they need to or even have an incentive to
(21:25):
defend each other, but this is a very exclusive club
of former presidents first of all, and now we got
former presidents involved with Epstein. That's an even smaller club.
And these two have insights and I think one of
the most ropes. There are people out there arguing about
what Trump knew, what he didn't know, and said he
should be in jail, and others saying he didn't know anything.
(21:46):
I think one of the best witnesses for Trump has
been Bill Clinton because of who he is, certainly and
because of what he knows, and for him to be
under oath and almost vouch for Trump in a life
out of what Trump has been saying publicly, that was fascinating.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, Bill Clinton might have been the best thing that
ever happened to President Trump when it comes to the
Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Investigation and have that on a Bingo cad.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Well, the transcripts are still to come they and by
the way, this video some of it was redacted. The
transcripts have to be approved by both the Clintons, but
people will be expecting that as well, because you know,
journalists spent long, long hours into the night going through
these tapes trying to see if there was any big, big,
huge moment, and really and truly, it was just Hillary
(22:32):
Clinton upset over that photo being released. And that's about
the biggest firework that happened in nine hours of testimony.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
But it's too bad, and this is what you know, what,
damn it worlds. That's a shame that too often we
all of us look at these hearings and we're looking
for what fireworks instead of actual information that's going to
further something along. And it happened once again. It's just
this time the fireworks weren't live for all of us
to see. And now we're looking at the depositions. It's
(23:03):
nothing to it, really because nobody's fighting and arguing and yelling.
That's too bad. This is not what this was about.
I haven't seen reaction, have you yet from any of
the Epstein survivors and the Epstein victims?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You know what I haven't.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
And that's a really good point because it would be
interesting to see what they had to say about this,
because this exercise yes and yes, and the point being
that there was nothing new that advanced this investigation based
on what Hillary and Bill had to say.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I do think it was important.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I actually do think it was important that Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I'm glad he testified. I'm glad that he testified under oath.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I think maybe for the Clintons, you may laugh when
I say this, maybe they can finally put this behind
them after having done this.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I don't know what else you can ask these folks for.
He's under oath, and every republic who has every incentive
to get this guy through everything about Epstein, they could
come up with at him, and he walks away, really
Robes looking the same he did as he did when
he walked in. I don't know anything else. He explained
(24:06):
a few other things. He explained a picture which didn't
make it worse. It made me go, oh, okay, because
the picture looks bad. Yes it does, and without the context.
But some people say, oh, he's just lying. That's not
That's fine. But Robes, what else do you want to do?
What do we do now? Keep digging through the files.
There's his name again, Keep digging, keep digging. Okay, But
(24:28):
that's why I want to hear from the victims and
what they think about this now what they think about Clinton?
Now moving forward, do we need to now move on
to the next thing and the next name? Who is that?
Because what's the biggest name outside of this one, Robes,
it's Trump. Maybe they could get Summers in there, Maybe
they could get.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Maybe they can get Andrew in there. I know there's
been conversations about the former Prince.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Okay, I think you need to pipe down, pipsqueak.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
We will, of course continue to follow all of the
developments out of this House Oversight Committee see who they
can compel to testify next. But with that, everyone, thank
you so much for listening to us. I'm made me
Robock alongside TJ. Holmes. Look for Morning run coming up
in just a bit. We always appreciate you. Have a
great day.
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Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by Audiochuck Media Company.
Betrayal Season 5
Saskia Inwood woke up one morning, knowing her life would never be the same. The night before, she learned the unimaginable – that the husband she knew in the light of day was a different person after dark. This season unpacks Saskia’s discovery of her husband’s secret life and her fight to bring him to justice. Along the way, we expose a crime that is just coming to light. This is also a story about the myth of the “perfect victim:” who gets believed, who gets doubted, and why. We follow Saskia as she works to reclaim her body, her voice, and her life. If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at betrayalpod@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations, and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience, and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack.