March 6, 2026 • 18 mins
Late Thursday evening the Department of Justice published the three missing interviews with a woman who claims President Trump sexually abused her when she was 13. The DOJ says the 2019 interviews were mistakenly labeled as duplicative, and are now available to the public. In them, there is a detailed account of an alleged forced sex act and other allegations of Epstein’s and Trump’s conversations about young girls.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey there, everybody. It is Friday, March sixth, and those
missing Epstein files having to do with an alleged sexual
assault by President Trump have been found. They have been released,
and they are awful. Welcome to this episode of Amy
(00:31):
and TJ. Robes. I feel compelled to start with this.
The President of the United States has not been formally
accused of any criminal wrongdoing. These are allegations, as he says,
are baseless, unfounded. Fine, but they are now out ropes.
And the big deal here is that these it just
(00:51):
so happened that these were the three files that we're missing,
and now that we see what's in them.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, this is a tough read.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And look, you know, we have debated, We were debating
whether or not we even did this episode because it's tough. Look,
there are allegations that are, as you pointed, really hard
to absorb and to even read. I mean this, we're
talking about a thirteen year old girl at the time,
and these are serious criminal allegations that are unfounded in
(01:27):
a sense because there is no proof.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
This is her word against his word.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And that's what makes any type of sexual allegation or
an allegation of abuse so difficult. Because oftentimes there isn't proof,
and obviously so many years have passed.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This is from nineteen eighty three, yeah, mid eighties.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So look, there's no way that this is ever going
to be the truth is never going to be determined
here beyond a reasonable doubt or any doubt. Really, So
this is tough but also important, and I think almost
more notably important because these were the files that somehow
weren't included.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, if this stuff had all been included in that
first document dump, people would have found it, reported about it.
He would have said these are unfounded, baseless, wild accusations,
and folks moved on. I think it does ropes. Is
that what it is. It adds to an element like
these just so happen to be the ones that were withheld,
the ones with the worst Is this not the worst
(02:26):
information that has come out in any Epstein file about President.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Trump, without a doubt, without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And then we get the response or the I guess,
just the official statement from the Department of Justice on
X and it's such a confusing statement. It even adds
to almost the deliberate confusion, like it's almost like they're
deliberately trying to make it seem.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Unintelligible so that you just move on.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And they nailed it because they confused the hell out
of me. But we want to again. I guess we
just have to give this warning folks. We're going to
share the excerpts of what excerpts of what is in
these newly released I guess newly found documents, but they
are out there. The timing I think it was actually
overnight when these hit, was it not Robes? So yes,
a lot of people are waking up to this news. Yes,
(03:13):
the files have been fouled. Let's go back though. We
know documents have been coming out and trickling out since
the end of last year, but in particular recently, there
were files that were put out in which there was
an allegation made against Epstein and Trump by someone in particular,
a particular woman who had come forward in twenty nineteen.
She did four interviews with the FBI. Only the notes
(03:35):
of one of those four interviews made it into the
public release a file, so people started asking, where's the
rest of it? Where are the details about the interviews
she did with the FBI talking about Trump? So this
has been going on not quite a week maybe, but
now those are the documents that have been filed. So
that is the setup, I guess now robes for what
(03:58):
we're going to share. These four interviews all done in
twenty nineteen after Epstein was arrested, correct, right, And that's
why the FBI went and talked to this woman. Now
let's start at the top here, robes. The reason that
the FBI even got in touch with this woman is
because a friend of the alleged victim reached out to
the FBI, and that's where we started.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yes, it's interesting, just news of Jeffrey Epstein being arrested
prompted so many of these interviews where people finally felt safe.
And that is what I got out of this when
we read every word of these newly released documents. And
one of the biggest takeaways I got, and just it
takes my breath away, is the fear.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
The fear that this woman felt.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
This she talks about being hounded for years and followed
and threatened for years, so she didn't even want this recorded.
She was so afraid of her identity being released. That
was really palpable to me. But it begins with how
the investigation started. A friend states that re she was
(05:00):
informed by an unidentified female friend currently residing in Portland, Oregon,
that she was forced to perform oral sex on President
Trump approximately thirty five years ago in this state of
New Jersey. The friend stated that she was approximately thirteen
to fourteen years of age when this occurred. The friend
allegedly bit President Trump while performing oral sex and described
(05:22):
his heavy breathing. The friend was allegedly hit in the
face after she laughed about biting him.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Okay, so that's the setup. I mean, that is how
the FBI first come came to know about this whole incident,
is because this other person came forward. Now again it
seems to I just want to keep giving warning. Some
of this stuff is very difficult to hear. I don't
know how robes to treat sometimes these these stories, because
(05:50):
as bad as this sound, it seems sometimes it seemed,
how can the president defend himself? These are heinous accusations
that we are going to read here. But how is
it not relevant to this investigation? How is it not
relevant to these files? How's it not relevant to this
president and connection to Epstein? I don't know how to
not report on.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
It correct And I think, and again we pointed this
out a few minutes ago. But I think because these
were the files that were, according to the Justice Department,
mistakenly marked as duplicative, I believe is what they said.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
The word they used makes it all the more glaring.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And that's why this is deeply concerning because this report
apparently was also included in a Department of Justice presentation
about the Klain Maxwell files internally, so this was regarded
with some level of credibility by detectives and yet was
not included in the document release, and that, I think
(06:49):
is what makes this all the more concerning.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And again a reminder here as we continue, we're going
to get into now what this victim, alleged victim told
the FBI, and some of these excerpts, but again I
just want to keep warning, yes, this is something this
is tough to hear. And also a reminder that the
president has denied any wrongdoing. He has not been found
or charged and accused criminally in any way.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
So, after the friend spoke to detectives or to the FBI,
the victim then eventually agreed to do so as well,
and so here is some Here are some excerpts from
that interview. The victim could not recall the identities of
the other individuals present. However, they all exited when Trump
asked everyone to leave the room, Trump mentioned something to
(07:37):
the effect of, let me teach you how little girls
are supposed to be. Trump unzipped his pants and put
her head down to his penis. Victim quote, bit this
shit out of it. Trump struck victim and said words
to the effect of get this little bitch the hell
out of here.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
That's these are notes again, folks, this is seven years ago.
These interviews were done. A woman that came forward after
Epstein was arrested. Do I remember robes with some of
this They they started wrecking. I think some victims even
started recognizing him. They didn't even realize in some cases
who they had dealt with, and they started seeing his
(08:17):
face and robes. This is amazing that in twenty nineteen,
this was all triggered because he was arrested.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Look, there was I believe this from speaking with Virginia
and reading the excerpts from other victims. They were genuinely
afraid for their safety.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Many of these women went.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Into hiding, and you're right, maybe some were so young
that they weren't even putting two and two together and
then they see his face and they're triggered, flooded.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
With oh my god, that's who that person was.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Or maybe they thought it was just them, that they
were the only ones, and then they started to see
the scope of it and felt compelled to add to
what this man reportedly did.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Just so many women girls.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
In these interviews, not just about this incident, which there
is more about, but roads I thought this was interesting.
She gave kind of some insights into their relationship and
watching them interact Epstein and Trump.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yes, she went on to say to the FBI agents,
Victim got the feeling the relationship between Epstein and Trump
included a certain amount of jealousy. She thought Trump appeared
jealous of Epstein, but at some point they ended up
on level playing fields. Trump and Epstein sometimes used the
terms fresh meat, untainted, and not jaded while referring to girls.
(09:37):
Victim stated she had two additional interactions with Trump, but
she asked that the interview move on to a different
subject for the time being.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Gain folks, these are FBI notes from interviews they did
with an alleged victim, and this is what they the
FBI Law enforcement was jotting down in their notes. Again
another interesting nugget here having to do Robes with their
relationship about blackmail here, But before we even move on
to that, your reaction to this, I mean, this is
(10:05):
her interpretation. I mean, the President's going to say she's
making every bit of this up and it never happened.
But Robe, that's interesting insight. Take it for what it
is it is.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
And she even went on to say, I know you
didn't include this excerpt, but like the not jaded thing
she said, at the time, she had no idea what
it meant. And she remembered later looking it up to
even try to figure out what the word jaded meant
and how it would apply. And she only when she
became more mature and grew up did she realize what
that reference was.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I thought that was interesting. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And again a testament here to just how I mean
they were. So this was thirteen fourteen fifteen at the time.
Now more about their relationship, Robe. She seemed to give
some insight in these interviews about Trump's some of his
I guess dealings behind the scene. And also Robe, you
pointed out the hell that some of these young ladies
seemed to go through and this inner. She alluded to
(11:00):
that with being followed and even blackmailed by Epstein for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, phone calls where she said she would get, you know,
hang up static.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It sounded like an episode of a horror movie warning
her telling her to shut the f up, being run
off the road.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I mean, this is I was.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I was. Actually it was chilling to hear her tell
the FBI what she says she has been through for decades.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, she said quote stated that Epstein's blackmailing of her
mother ruined my family. I asked the agents to keep
her safe, stating throughout my life his Epstein's people have
found me, have kept tabs on me. That sounds like
someone who was fearful. Again, this is twenty nineteen. Yes,
(11:51):
this is decades now, and she's still complaining.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yes, Look, Virginia's Gufrey moved to Australia and went into
hiding for more than a decade to get away from Epstein.
I mean, that's legit. This is not just her story.
This is the story of so many others.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
It's to think the rope twenty nineteen she's talking about,
He's kept tabs on me throughout my life ruined my family.
This is twenty nineteen and she's talking about these things.
I mean, how long did this possibly go on? I
thought that was interesting, this interesting line. And she said
that she was confident Trump knew Epstein blackmailed people because
she heard the two of them talking about it. Yes,
(12:26):
and this other here rope. This is just interesting talking
about possibly some of Trump's business dealings were not on
the up and up.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yes, she said that she knew Trump had illegal building permit.
She heard Trump talking about washing money through casinos. Number six,
she said, is Donald Trump's favorite number. Not sure how
she knew that, but she had heard it at one point.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
She's claiming these girls who were around Trump and Epstein
actually heard them just being themselves, talking business, talking about
their likes, their dislikes, and just having that adjacent information
beyond just any alleged sexual abuse, but just to have
overheard all of these conversations. It is interesting that this
was all documented by the FBI.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, four interviews that were done. Stay here will tell
you how the interviews wrapped up and why possibly there
was not a fifth interview. Stay here, all right, We
(13:32):
continue here on this Friday, March sixth going through what
are the latest files released in the Epstein files. These
are the ones that were missing four interviews done with
a woman who alleged sexual abuse by Epstein and in
fact by President Trump back in the eighties when she
was a thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old girl. Those files
(13:53):
that were missing have now been found and details three
interviews and the details of those interviews that the FBI
took with this woman in twenty nineteen. Roads had been
going through some of this pretty awful stuff. I want
to always keep saying. The President has denied any wrongdoing.
The White House has certainly been defending the President said
he's been exonerated really by a lot of what they
see in these files.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yes, and we should point out as of this recording,
the White House has not responded to this latest release
as of early Friday morning, but again this happened overnight
and the Department of Justice saying that it discovered fifteen
documents were incorrectly coded as duplicative. So that has been
the official response from the Department of Justice on x
(14:37):
And we know that the White House has said that
some of these files and even the ones that were
released before, may include fake falsely submitted images, documents, or videos,
because they're saying everything that the FBI investigated, everything that
was sent to the FBI was included in these files,
including false, unfounded claim against President Trump.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Didn't they have some word like they could be explosive
or they warned that some of the stuff?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Actually it says some of the documents contain untrue and
sensationalist claims against President Trump that were submitted to the
FBI right before the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I wonder if.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
They were actually referring specifically to that interview, because if
this happened in the summer of twenty nineteen, yes, that
would be leading up to the twenty twenty election, so
that they could actually have been pre warning about this
in case it got out, or in case it was released,
or in the event that someone would recognize that this
was missing.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Is that a line or a suggestion that maybe this
was politically motivated the timing of it at the time.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
To be clear, the claims are unfounded and false, and
if they had a shred of credibility, they certainly would
have been weaponized against President Trump already.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So they wrapped up and this was I guesses this
is how they wrapped up with the lady in the interviews,
and nothing more came of it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
This is the last bit from the FBI asked whether
she was comfortable detailing her contacts with Trump. Victim again
asked what the point would be of providing the information
at this point in her life when there was a
strong possibility nothing could be done about it. The agents
asked to go home and take as much time as
(16:21):
she needed to think about speaking with the agents further agreed,
and the interview ended.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
That makes sense, and as far as we know, nothing
else ever.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Came of it, right, Because look, if you do the math,
if she was thirteen eighty three, she's in her mid
fifties right now. Obviously the statute of limitations is far over,
and she will just be vilified. Look, if her claims
are true, even if she's saying absolutely what happened, there
(16:52):
is nothing legally that could be done about it. And really,
she has way more to lose than anything to gain.
And she's lived in fear for how long you know.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
There there will be plenty, plenty of folks out there
saying she needs to come forward, she needs to be brave,
she needs to represent the other women. She needs to
do this and that I nope, this woman can do
what And you know, I don't know if she has
been Maybe she has been in that group of survivors,
maybe she has been interact maybe she's been in front
of in some of those press conferences. We just didn't
(17:24):
know who she was. Maybe we don't know, But I
cannot robes anyway. No one should question this woman on
the decision she has made for her and her safety.
You just cannot. And this is another situation in the
Epstein files where something's there, we don't We get no finality,
we get no answers, we get no truth. Necessarily, it's
(17:45):
just something else in there. And one side said it happened,
on other sides that it didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I know, the Trump allegations and the Trump narrative is
going to be obviously the big incendiary headline and certainly
the thing that brings people to read these excerpts. But
I think actually just hearing about her detailing what happened
to her in the years afterward, is just as chilling
(18:10):
and fascinating and eye opening as to perhaps how Jeffrey
Epstein may have been able to stay in his position
of power and keep all of these women quiet with
the threats and the blackmailing. It's really eye opening to
hear her version of what she says happened to her.
But of course we will always keep our eye on
(18:30):
this constantly developing situation with the Epstein investigation.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
We appreciate you as always for listening to us I
Ami Roboch alongside t. J. Holmes. We'll talk to you
very soon.
Hey there, everybody. It is Friday, March sixth, and those
missing Epstein files having to do with an alleged sexual
assault by President Trump have been found. They have been released,
and they are awful. Welcome to this episode of Amy
(00:31):
and TJ. Robes. I feel compelled to start with this.
The President of the United States has not been formally
accused of any criminal wrongdoing. These are allegations, as he says,
are baseless, unfounded. Fine, but they are now out ropes.
And the big deal here is that these it just
(00:51):
so happened that these were the three files that we're missing,
and now that we see what's in them.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, this is a tough read.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And look, you know, we have debated, We were debating
whether or not we even did this episode because it's tough. Look,
there are allegations that are, as you pointed, really hard
to absorb and to even read. I mean this, we're
talking about a thirteen year old girl at the time,
and these are serious criminal allegations that are unfounded in
(01:27):
a sense because there is no proof.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
This is her word against his word.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And that's what makes any type of sexual allegation or
an allegation of abuse so difficult. Because oftentimes there isn't proof,
and obviously so many years have passed.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This is from nineteen eighty three, yeah, mid eighties.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So look, there's no way that this is ever going
to be the truth is never going to be determined
here beyond a reasonable doubt or any doubt. Really, So
this is tough but also important, and I think almost
more notably important because these were the files that somehow
weren't included.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, if this stuff had all been included in that
first document dump, people would have found it, reported about it.
He would have said these are unfounded, baseless, wild accusations,
and folks moved on. I think it does ropes. Is
that what it is. It adds to an element like
these just so happen to be the ones that were withheld,
the ones with the worst Is this not the worst
(02:26):
information that has come out in any Epstein file about President.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Trump, without a doubt, without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And then we get the response or the I guess,
just the official statement from the Department of Justice on
X and it's such a confusing statement. It even adds
to almost the deliberate confusion, like it's almost like they're
deliberately trying to make it seem.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Unintelligible so that you just move on.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And they nailed it because they confused the hell out
of me. But we want to again. I guess we
just have to give this warning folks. We're going to
share the excerpts of what excerpts of what is in
these newly released I guess newly found documents, but they
are out there. The timing I think it was actually
overnight when these hit, was it not Robes? So yes,
a lot of people are waking up to this news. Yes,
(03:13):
the files have been fouled. Let's go back though. We
know documents have been coming out and trickling out since
the end of last year, but in particular recently, there
were files that were put out in which there was
an allegation made against Epstein and Trump by someone in particular,
a particular woman who had come forward in twenty nineteen.
She did four interviews with the FBI. Only the notes
(03:35):
of one of those four interviews made it into the
public release a file, so people started asking, where's the
rest of it? Where are the details about the interviews
she did with the FBI talking about Trump? So this
has been going on not quite a week maybe, but
now those are the documents that have been filed. So
that is the setup, I guess now robes for what
(03:58):
we're going to share. These four interviews all done in
twenty nineteen after Epstein was arrested, correct, right, And that's
why the FBI went and talked to this woman. Now
let's start at the top here, robes. The reason that
the FBI even got in touch with this woman is
because a friend of the alleged victim reached out to
the FBI, and that's where we started.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yes, it's interesting, just news of Jeffrey Epstein being arrested
prompted so many of these interviews where people finally felt safe.
And that is what I got out of this when
we read every word of these newly released documents. And
one of the biggest takeaways I got, and just it
takes my breath away, is the fear.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
The fear that this woman felt.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
This she talks about being hounded for years and followed
and threatened for years, so she didn't even want this recorded.
She was so afraid of her identity being released. That
was really palpable to me. But it begins with how
the investigation started. A friend states that re she was
(05:00):
informed by an unidentified female friend currently residing in Portland, Oregon,
that she was forced to perform oral sex on President
Trump approximately thirty five years ago in this state of
New Jersey. The friend stated that she was approximately thirteen
to fourteen years of age when this occurred. The friend
allegedly bit President Trump while performing oral sex and described
(05:22):
his heavy breathing. The friend was allegedly hit in the
face after she laughed about biting him.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Okay, so that's the setup. I mean, that is how
the FBI first come came to know about this whole incident,
is because this other person came forward. Now again it
seems to I just want to keep giving warning. Some
of this stuff is very difficult to hear. I don't
know how robes to treat sometimes these these stories, because
(05:50):
as bad as this sound, it seems sometimes it seemed,
how can the president defend himself? These are heinous accusations
that we are going to read here. But how is
it not relevant to this investigation? How is it not
relevant to these files? How's it not relevant to this
president and connection to Epstein? I don't know how to
not report on.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
It correct And I think, and again we pointed this
out a few minutes ago. But I think because these
were the files that were, according to the Justice Department,
mistakenly marked as duplicative, I believe is what they said.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
The word they used makes it all the more glaring.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And that's why this is deeply concerning because this report
apparently was also included in a Department of Justice presentation
about the Klain Maxwell files internally, so this was regarded
with some level of credibility by detectives and yet was
not included in the document release, and that, I think
(06:49):
is what makes this all the more concerning.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And again a reminder here as we continue, we're going
to get into now what this victim, alleged victim told
the FBI, and some of these excerpts, but again I
just want to keep warning, yes, this is something this
is tough to hear. And also a reminder that the
president has denied any wrongdoing. He has not been found
or charged and accused criminally in any way.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
So, after the friend spoke to detectives or to the FBI,
the victim then eventually agreed to do so as well,
and so here is some Here are some excerpts from
that interview. The victim could not recall the identities of
the other individuals present. However, they all exited when Trump
asked everyone to leave the room, Trump mentioned something to
(07:37):
the effect of, let me teach you how little girls
are supposed to be. Trump unzipped his pants and put
her head down to his penis. Victim quote, bit this
shit out of it. Trump struck victim and said words
to the effect of get this little bitch the hell
out of here.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
That's these are notes again, folks, this is seven years ago.
These interviews were done. A woman that came forward after
Epstein was arrested. Do I remember robes with some of
this They they started wrecking. I think some victims even
started recognizing him. They didn't even realize in some cases
who they had dealt with, and they started seeing his
(08:17):
face and robes. This is amazing that in twenty nineteen,
this was all triggered because he was arrested.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Look, there was I believe this from speaking with Virginia
and reading the excerpts from other victims. They were genuinely
afraid for their safety.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Many of these women went.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Into hiding, and you're right, maybe some were so young
that they weren't even putting two and two together and
then they see his face and they're triggered, flooded.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
With oh my god, that's who that person was.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Or maybe they thought it was just them, that they
were the only ones, and then they started to see
the scope of it and felt compelled to add to
what this man reportedly did.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Just so many women girls.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
In these interviews, not just about this incident, which there
is more about, but roads I thought this was interesting.
She gave kind of some insights into their relationship and
watching them interact Epstein and Trump.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yes, she went on to say to the FBI agents,
Victim got the feeling the relationship between Epstein and Trump
included a certain amount of jealousy. She thought Trump appeared
jealous of Epstein, but at some point they ended up
on level playing fields. Trump and Epstein sometimes used the
terms fresh meat, untainted, and not jaded while referring to girls.
(09:37):
Victim stated she had two additional interactions with Trump, but
she asked that the interview move on to a different
subject for the time being.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Gain folks, these are FBI notes from interviews they did
with an alleged victim, and this is what they the
FBI Law enforcement was jotting down in their notes. Again
another interesting nugget here having to do Robes with their
relationship about blackmail here, But before we even move on
to that, your reaction to this, I mean, this is
(10:05):
her interpretation. I mean, the President's going to say she's
making every bit of this up and it never happened.
But Robe, that's interesting insight. Take it for what it
is it is.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
And she even went on to say, I know you
didn't include this excerpt, but like the not jaded thing
she said, at the time, she had no idea what
it meant. And she remembered later looking it up to
even try to figure out what the word jaded meant
and how it would apply. And she only when she
became more mature and grew up did she realize what
that reference was.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I thought that was interesting. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And again a testament here to just how I mean
they were. So this was thirteen fourteen fifteen at the time.
Now more about their relationship, Robe. She seemed to give
some insight in these interviews about Trump's some of his
I guess dealings behind the scene. And also Robe, you
pointed out the hell that some of these young ladies
seemed to go through and this inner. She alluded to
(11:00):
that with being followed and even blackmailed by Epstein for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, phone calls where she said she would get, you know,
hang up static.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It sounded like an episode of a horror movie warning
her telling her to shut the f up, being run
off the road.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I mean, this is I was.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I was. Actually it was chilling to hear her tell
the FBI what she says she has been through for decades.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, she said quote stated that Epstein's blackmailing of her
mother ruined my family. I asked the agents to keep
her safe, stating throughout my life his Epstein's people have
found me, have kept tabs on me. That sounds like
someone who was fearful. Again, this is twenty nineteen. Yes,
(11:51):
this is decades now, and she's still complaining.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yes, Look, Virginia's Gufrey moved to Australia and went into
hiding for more than a decade to get away from Epstein.
I mean, that's legit. This is not just her story.
This is the story of so many others.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
It's to think the rope twenty nineteen she's talking about,
He's kept tabs on me throughout my life ruined my family.
This is twenty nineteen and she's talking about these things.
I mean, how long did this possibly go on? I
thought that was interesting, this interesting line. And she said
that she was confident Trump knew Epstein blackmailed people because
she heard the two of them talking about it. Yes,
(12:26):
and this other here rope. This is just interesting talking
about possibly some of Trump's business dealings were not on
the up and up.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yes, she said that she knew Trump had illegal building permit.
She heard Trump talking about washing money through casinos. Number six,
she said, is Donald Trump's favorite number. Not sure how
she knew that, but she had heard it at one point.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
She's claiming these girls who were around Trump and Epstein
actually heard them just being themselves, talking business, talking about
their likes, their dislikes, and just having that adjacent information
beyond just any alleged sexual abuse, but just to have
overheard all of these conversations. It is interesting that this
was all documented by the FBI.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, four interviews that were done. Stay here will tell
you how the interviews wrapped up and why possibly there
was not a fifth interview. Stay here, all right, We
(13:32):
continue here on this Friday, March sixth going through what
are the latest files released in the Epstein files. These
are the ones that were missing four interviews done with
a woman who alleged sexual abuse by Epstein and in
fact by President Trump back in the eighties when she
was a thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old girl. Those files
(13:53):
that were missing have now been found and details three
interviews and the details of those interviews that the FBI
took with this woman in twenty nineteen. Roads had been
going through some of this pretty awful stuff. I want
to always keep saying. The President has denied any wrongdoing.
The White House has certainly been defending the President said
he's been exonerated really by a lot of what they
see in these files.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yes, and we should point out as of this recording,
the White House has not responded to this latest release
as of early Friday morning, but again this happened overnight
and the Department of Justice saying that it discovered fifteen
documents were incorrectly coded as duplicative. So that has been
the official response from the Department of Justice on x
(14:37):
And we know that the White House has said that
some of these files and even the ones that were
released before, may include fake falsely submitted images, documents, or videos,
because they're saying everything that the FBI investigated, everything that
was sent to the FBI was included in these files,
including false, unfounded claim against President Trump.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Didn't they have some word like they could be explosive
or they warned that some of the stuff?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Actually it says some of the documents contain untrue and
sensationalist claims against President Trump that were submitted to the
FBI right before the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I wonder if.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
They were actually referring specifically to that interview, because if
this happened in the summer of twenty nineteen, yes, that
would be leading up to the twenty twenty election, so
that they could actually have been pre warning about this
in case it got out, or in case it was released,
or in the event that someone would recognize that this
was missing.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Is that a line or a suggestion that maybe this
was politically motivated the timing of it at the time.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
To be clear, the claims are unfounded and false, and
if they had a shred of credibility, they certainly would
have been weaponized against President Trump already.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So they wrapped up and this was I guesses this
is how they wrapped up with the lady in the interviews,
and nothing more came of it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
This is the last bit from the FBI asked whether
she was comfortable detailing her contacts with Trump. Victim again
asked what the point would be of providing the information
at this point in her life when there was a
strong possibility nothing could be done about it. The agents
asked to go home and take as much time as
(16:21):
she needed to think about speaking with the agents further agreed,
and the interview ended.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
That makes sense, and as far as we know, nothing
else ever.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Came of it, right, Because look, if you do the math,
if she was thirteen eighty three, she's in her mid
fifties right now. Obviously the statute of limitations is far over,
and she will just be vilified. Look, if her claims
are true, even if she's saying absolutely what happened, there
(16:52):
is nothing legally that could be done about it. And really,
she has way more to lose than anything to gain.
And she's lived in fear for how long you know.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
There there will be plenty, plenty of folks out there
saying she needs to come forward, she needs to be brave,
she needs to represent the other women. She needs to
do this and that I nope, this woman can do
what And you know, I don't know if she has
been Maybe she has been in that group of survivors,
maybe she has been interact maybe she's been in front
of in some of those press conferences. We just didn't
(17:24):
know who she was. Maybe we don't know, But I
cannot robes anyway. No one should question this woman on
the decision she has made for her and her safety.
You just cannot. And this is another situation in the
Epstein files where something's there, we don't We get no finality,
we get no answers, we get no truth. Necessarily, it's
(17:45):
just something else in there. And one side said it happened,
on other sides that it didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I know, the Trump allegations and the Trump narrative is
going to be obviously the big incendiary headline and certainly
the thing that brings people to read these excerpts. But
I think actually just hearing about her detailing what happened
to her in the years afterward, is just as chilling
(18:10):
and fascinating and eye opening as to perhaps how Jeffrey
Epstein may have been able to stay in his position
of power and keep all of these women quiet with
the threats and the blackmailing. It's really eye opening to
hear her version of what she says happened to her.
But of course we will always keep our eye on
(18:30):
this constantly developing situation with the Epstein investigation.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
We appreciate you as always for listening to us I
Ami Roboch alongside t. J. Holmes. We'll talk to you
very soon.
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