McDonald’s Boycott/Suit, Mamdani’s NYC Win, Protest History, Karmelo Anthony Indicted, Shop Red Bag

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Today is Wednesday, June twenty fifth, twenty twenty five. Coming
up on rollingd Mark Unfiltered Tybe Live of the Black
Starting Network. The People's Union in USA launching a week
long boycott of McDonald's, and some black franchisees forming Black
franchisees say that boycott should happen.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
We'll talk with them right here on the show.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Boy Folks are freaking out about the newly elected excuse me,
the winner of the Democratic primary for the mayor of
New York City. I'm trying to understand why y'all mad
because people actually voted. We'll talk with the author of
a book that lays out the four hundred years of
protesting in America. Plus the black teen who stabbed a
young white man in the Texas gets charged with first

(00:57):
degree murder. Plus we'll talk about shot red Bag that
offers an opportunity for many of the companies, black owned
businesses that were having their products in target to share
them and for black ones people to buy on an
online platform. Folks, it's time to bring the funk a
Rolling Mark unfiltuned on the Black Sort Network.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
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Speaker 4 (01:22):
He's got school the fact.

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and it's rolling best belief.

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Speaker 3 (01:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:36):
He's going. It's rolling out.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
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she's real good question. No, he's rolling.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Montage hard folks.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
The action, the boycott of McDonald's is underway, led by
the People's Union in USA. They're accusing the fast food
gina backing away from its promises to the black community.
Earlier this year, McDonald's quietly scaled back key diversity initiatives,
dropping its aspirational representation goals and removing a DEI pledge
for suppliers. The company claims it's just shifting to a

(02:35):
more integrated approach to inclusion tied to business performance, but
folks say in the community say they see.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
It differently now.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
In addition to that, more than forty former black McDonald's
franchise owners are already suing the company they led systemic discrimination,
and they have now joined the boycott. The former franchise
owners are calling on the company to keep its promises,
renew its commitment and do right by the black operators
who say they were denied a fair chance at success.

(03:07):
McDonald's insists its commitment to inclusion is under wavering and
says the boycott's claims are misleading. The boycott runs through
June thirtieth. Joining us now is Quinn Rawlins, attorney for
the plaintiffs, and Kenneth Manning, a former McDonald's franchisee.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I'm glad to have both of you here.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
First and foremost, Quinn, how many different franchisees are you
representing in this lawsuit?

Speaker 6 (03:30):
It's approximately forty seven Rowland from all around the country,
from Florida to Georgia, Illinois. Spans the game across the
United States because they have a shared experience.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
And what is it that they are alleging.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
Yes, so we have multiple claims. The big claims are
racial discrimination and contracting with McDonald's and racial discrimination in
the leasing leases they received. But ultimately they are alleging
that they were given the stores that were less profitable
in neighborhoods that they didn't necessarily prioritize, and they had

(04:08):
unreasonable expectations about what these franchises were able to do,
had unreasonable expectations and timeliness.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
And some of that.

Speaker 7 (04:18):
Is because we argue and alleged is because.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
They were intentionally discrimination against franchisees because they were black,
like Kenneth Manning.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
And when you talk and when they talk about in
terms of what's being unfair, are they alleging that the
company put them in difficult positions to succeed and provided
better opportunities better locations for white franchisees.

Speaker 6 (04:44):
Absolutely, absolutely, And the beauty of the court allowing ultimately,
we believe they allowed us litigation to proceed. The franchisees
that we represent, the individuals, will have an opportunity to.

Speaker 7 (04:58):
Explore all those white owners.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
You create the evidence about the opportunities they received that
our clients are not.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Kenneth. Where was your store or stores?

Speaker 7 (05:08):
Yeah, thanks for having me, Roland.

Speaker 8 (05:10):
My stores were located in two markets in Montgomery, Alabama.
We had five locations in that market, and then the
next TV market was the Birmingham, Alabama TV market.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
So you had a tot of how many franchises.

Speaker 8 (05:24):
At fifteen, I did fifteen stores in one night rolling.
I sold three of my restaurants to my brother, or
at least two of the three to my brother.

Speaker 7 (05:33):
We were both in North Carolina at the time.

Speaker 8 (05:36):
In late two thousand and nine early twenty ten, I
did a deal for fifteen restaurants in one night in
both of those markets.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
One on one second, when you say fifteen restaurants in
one night, what does that mean?

Speaker 8 (05:48):
Yes, so I purchased I sold three restaurants on December eighth,
two thousand and nine, and bought fifteen restaurants on December eighth,
two thousand and nine, and one night, that's.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Correct, Okay. And then what happened next, Well.

Speaker 7 (06:03):
I picked up an additional restaurant.

Speaker 8 (06:05):
McDonald's called and asked me to help them out to
avoid litigation from a white owner actually who was going
to sue them in about two weeks and McDonald's asked
me to pick up this Centerville location in Centerville, Alabama,
which I did and sometime in twenty eleven and I
did that, and so that became the sixteenth restaurant that
I owned.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
In that market. Okay, so you own sixteen. Then what happened?

Speaker 7 (06:29):
Well, I can tell you there was a deal that
was offered to me.

Speaker 8 (06:34):
When I took over the fifteen restaurants, they would ask
me to move up a rebuild up my West South
location four years earlier than it should have happened, or
that we agreed to happen in the contract, and to
purchased a sale agreement with the attempt for me to
receive another restaurant.

Speaker 7 (06:51):
The Whole Hall location was about a mile and a
half down the road.

Speaker 8 (06:56):
After picking up the sixteenth restaurant, I get another call
from the QSCVP, the vice president Operations, and stated that
he was not going to award me that store and
that he was going to award it to a white operator.

Speaker 7 (07:08):
Some forty miles away.

Speaker 8 (07:10):
Of course, I pushed back that that's not the deal
that we had, and he basically said, well, you're unexpandable.

Speaker 7 (07:19):
The team says you're unexpandable. The field service team says
you're unexpandable.

Speaker 8 (07:23):
I immediately responded, I'm not unexpandable, and my last operator
review suggested that I was unexpandable, said that I was unexpandable.

Speaker 7 (07:31):
He held to that and said that there were two standards.

Speaker 8 (07:34):
One that if you buy a restaurant from the field,
you can do that being unexpandable, But if McDonald's offers
you a restaurant, you needed to be expandable.

Speaker 7 (07:44):
I said, well, McDonald's offer fullo.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
For the people who don't. What does expandable and unexpandable mean?

Speaker 7 (07:51):
It means you have an opportunity to grow your organization, right, But.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
What I'm confused? You did that.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
You went from that's correct, you went from one to
five to sixteens. So so what did they lay out
to you with a definition of unexpandable means?

Speaker 7 (08:07):
Well, they didn't.

Speaker 8 (08:08):
They told me that the field service teams suggested that
I was not eligible to grow any longer, which shocked me.

Speaker 7 (08:15):
Quite honestly.

Speaker 8 (08:16):
I was offended, particularly since I said to the vice
president that you called and asked me to purchase a
sixteenth restaurant, and at that time I was unexpandable, And
nowhere had I been notified that I wasn't unexpanded until
they awarded this store.

Speaker 7 (08:32):
And that's the way it's going to be.

Speaker 8 (08:35):
So I can tell you what happened that next rold
and I saw the global chief of franchising at a
meeting in Houston, and he said to me that I
heard you making trouble down there in Atlanta. I said, well,
what do you mean? He says that you are angry
about not getting that store.

Speaker 7 (08:53):
I said, no, that's not what happened.

Speaker 8 (08:55):
The vice president has a right to award the store
to who he wants to, even if he changes his mind.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Right.

Speaker 8 (09:00):
What I was concerned about was that the standard had
changed and that he tried to convince me that there
were two standards in play here. Now I can tell
you Roland, I was what they call the real team
chair for the East division, which was the committee that
was an.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
Expert on the franchise agreement.

Speaker 8 (09:20):
Our role was to teach the operator in the division
about the franchise agreement. So I was the last person
to say that something in that franchise agreement or rules
that I was not going to be one that didn't
understand that. And so when I challenged them, they sent
out two field service managers to do inspections late on
a Friday night at my restaurants, which I told the

(09:41):
franchising officer that I thought that was unfair and that
sucked basically, and from there it just went on downhill.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Quinn.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
When we talk about your other plaintiffs, and I've heard
and I've talked to different franchise, these former franchises over
the years, Uh, some complained about UH that that people,
first of all, don't understand the process that most McDonald's
are owned by individual owners. They're called franchisees. McDonald's owns

(10:15):
the land, but McDonald's also has requirements.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
UH.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
And I some franchisees have said that they've been asked
to do upkey, to rebuild stores, things along those lines,
and that's money that's coming out of their pocket.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
And so besides, what can of has laid out, what
are some of the other allegations that these former franchisees
are making.

Speaker 6 (10:37):
Sure, So the beauty this lawsuit is there are individuals
who come from different walks of life around the country,
but they have shared experiences. You know, one of our clients,
he's he's been very outspoken.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
His name is Van Jakes.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
He's a former football player, football player based out.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
Of Atlanta, and him and several other our clients share
stories similar to ken It's. Once they started expressing frustration
with the unequal treatment, there was retaliation. And that's actually
one of our claims is that in many ways, some
of our clients were forced out of the McDonald's system

(11:16):
because they were getting out of line asking questions.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
Critiquing the.

Speaker 6 (11:25):
Critiquing McDonald's actions in contrasts with the franchise agreements, and
McDonald's was asking them to play.

Speaker 7 (11:32):
By a different set of rules.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
And that was especially concerning because for many of our clients,
they were leaders in their respective regions, and like Ken,
they knew the rules verbatim. Some of them helped craft
the rules, and it is disparaging when they're asked to
do things that other white owners specifically were not asked

(11:55):
to do.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
And there's respective regions in.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Around the country.

Speaker 7 (11:58):
Let me piggyback on that for second rolling of your mind.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Go ahead.

Speaker 8 (12:02):
When I went to sell my three stores to my brother,
before I could even get it out, when they called
and asked me, who was I selling my three restaurants?

Speaker 7 (12:10):
There were three very good restaurants in North Carolina.

Speaker 8 (12:12):
They Jeff wofar QSCVP in Raleigh, said that he was
not going to approve the deal, not even had I
sent the contract up or put in front of him
any terms of the deal. When I put in front
of him the terms of the deal, they denied the
deal and gave a reason that was not a business reason.

(12:33):
They went so far as to after three months of
going back and forth conference calls meetings, conference calls meetings,
they decided to only allow my brother to buy two
of the three restaurants, and went so far as to
and I can tell you Marty Ranft went so far
to take money from the company and give it to

(12:53):
the operator who was going to buy the other store
that they would not allow my brother to buy because
the other operator did not want to pay me full value.
So they put one hundred and seventy thousand dollars into
the deal, coded it something different, just so I could
not sell my three stores to my brother. And then

(13:14):
afterwards I get a letter months later stating from Chief
Legal Council Franchising John Richardson stating that I could not
buy the restaurants back for my brother. When white operators
routinely buy their restaurants back and forth from family members,
there was no such rule for period of ten years,
there was no such.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Rule, Quinn.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
That was a period for almost three years where McDonald's
had a black CEO over the country company worldwide. That
was Don Thompson. That was twenty twelve, twenty fifteen. Please
go to my bad Gaskamon, and this is Don Thompson
here and the board felt the stock price had not recovered,
and so then he was replaced by Steve Easterbrook and

(13:58):
Quinn Do your franchisese alleged that the atmosphere and McDonald's
completely changed post Don Thompson. I know that others have
said that there were a significant number of African Americans
who were in senior level positions when he was the CEO,
and ever since then that has changed dramatically.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Sure, you know, I think that the respective clients have
different views about their experiences with Don Thompson's leadership, but
everybody shares a collective view that McDonald's is an institution
and it's only.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
So much.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
One individual can do.

Speaker 6 (14:37):
But certainly, during the time of Don Thompson, franchisees continued
to struggle, not to say that he didn't put forth
significant effort to try to.

Speaker 7 (14:50):
Improve that situation.

Speaker 6 (14:52):
But since the leadership of Chris k and Easterbrook, there
has been a dramatic decline in the number of black
franchisees and experiences in our clients like Ken's ken Man
and can speak directly to what their experiences were during
those changes.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Well, it is so again, you have forty seven folks
who involved in this particular lawsuit, and so certainly keep
us up to date what happens next as relates to
your lawsuit against McDonald's.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
Thank you, Roland, all right, Roland for having us.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
All right, folks, I'm gonna introduce my panel now, we'll
bring them into first of all, before we do that,
this is the statement that McDonald's released. Says quote, as
a brand that serves millions of people every day, McDonald's
opens our doors to everyone, and our commitment to inclusion
remains steadfast. We welcome honest dialogue with the communities we serve,

(15:52):
but we're disappointed to see these misleading claims that distort
our values and misrepresent our actions.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Now.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Also, of course, not tied to this lawsuit, McDonald's recently
settled their lawsuit with Byron Allen where he alleged that
the company was not doing business with him advertising wise,
and again that's lawsuit was scheduled to go to trial,
and then it was settled.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Full disclosure.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
McDonald's previously advertised with us here at the black Star Network.
They have not done so in two years, and so
the last time they did was in twenty and twenty three,
and that was the last time they did.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
So that's what happened there, all right, folks.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Robertillo, who is communications director for Congressman Jonathan Jackson, joins
us from Atlanta. Rebecca Corrella's executive vice president, Fair Election
Center out of d C. Tyler McMillan, social justice leader
and movement strategist.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Out of DC. Rebecca, when you look at this protest.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Being launched against McDonald's, seen how different people are moving.
Of course, we remember when your efforts to unionize Starbucks.
Then of course you have uh this here you are
seeing different workers in different groups, the type of actions
they are taking against various companies.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
And that's the case with the people's uh, with with
this group launching this, with this one week of boycott.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
So I really want us as a black community to
move towards a comprehensive boycott strategy, just like we have
international sanctions and foreign affairs. They are effective, but they're
never meant to go on for years at a time.
It has to be targeted, it has to be specific,
it has to have specific outcome. What's interesting with McDonald's

(17:54):
and its appearance to move back from the EI, Like
I remember all the time in the nineties, the odds,
the twenty tens when McDonald's had three sixty five black
and McDonald's spend a lot of time talking about diversity.
But what's also interesting and listening to McDonald's statement of
saying that it has to keep its practices in line

(18:17):
to its bottom line, but also it needs to be
inclusive for all. One thing that's interesting is that, as
we talk about on the show, DEI primarily benefits white women,
but when we hear about these DEI pullbacks is more of, oh,
you can't do things that are too much for black
people because for some reason, I guess the assumption is

(18:39):
it's going to be at the to the detriment of
everyone else.

Speaker 7 (18:42):
So it's really.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Interesting carrying these corporations talking about they're taking a scale
back on d and I efforts because they want to
be inclusive for all. It's almost as if they forgot
what the eye stands for.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
So allow me to first of all, we have to
do a couple of things, and this is for the
purpose of the audience.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
There's a difference.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Between who holds DEI jobs and diversity equity inclusion programs
now even so we know that seventy five seventy eight
percent of DEI jobs held by white folks. Well, that's
corporate leaders picking somebody in their senior position that they're

(19:29):
comfortable with. Now we talk about contracts, we know that
when we talk about depending upon the company, depending upon
the city, county, state, the numbers vary federal government. Of
the thirty seven billion dollar dB program, thirty seven billion dollars,

(19:53):
seventy eight percent of those dollars go to white women businesses.
But last year on the Biden HERI that there was
a record ten billion dollars. So I don't want us,
Robert to make the mistake. And I've seen them heard
this a lot where folks say, well, I don't give
damn about DEI without understanding, No, what's all underneath DEI.

(20:18):
Do you have business diversity, supply diversity, seeing level positions.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
There are a series of things.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
And so we're gonna be very careful again when we
talk about language. And I've heard people so many people
social media and the places go a man, damn that
we ain't benefiting from d I not understanding that you
do have contracts that fall underneath that. That African Americans
have been benefiting from. When we talk about this People's Union,

(20:49):
this guy John Schwartz as John Swartz, that what they
have been doing is targeting a variety of companies for
the last few months. This is a story here in
USA Today that talks about that, and it says the
organizer of the boycott goes by the one called Jai

(21:12):
on Instagram. This real name is John Schwartz, and he
told you say today he started the bowld idea because
the time was right and people are frustrated with what
he calls corporate greed and other frustrations.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
Oh look, Roland.

Speaker 9 (21:27):
One of the things I want people to understand, and
I've had the privilege of working on Commersson John the
jetson on building the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Caucus in Congress,
which has meant to address much of this information. We've
allowed the other side to win the information war when
it comes to diversity, equity and inclusion. I want folks
to understand as much as we hear the social media

(21:47):
co intel pro programming saying old diversity only helps white women.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Anyone who didn't have.

Speaker 9 (21:52):
Rights since seventeen seventy six is covered by diversity, equity
and inclusion. If you were not a straight white Anglo
Saxon land owning mail at the moment that the Decoration
of Independence was signed, you are diversity in this country.
When we're talking about DEEI, that means ramped or disabled

(22:13):
people to get into buildings, that's diversity, equity, inclusion and accessibility.
When we're talking about veterans having the opportunity to learn
how to code, having employment preferences have to serving this country,
that's diversity, equity and inclusion. When we're talking about the EOC,
the Equally Employment Opportunity Commission, I've trained as the labor

(22:34):
and employment lawyer, that goes away because that's part of diversity,
equity and inclusion. When they talk about getting rid of
woke programs and woke federal departments. The fact that your
boss can't come into your office right now, call you
the inward and say I'm firing you because you're black,
that is diversity, equity and inclusion. If you get rid
of those protections, then that moves the ball backwards. That

(22:57):
pushes us in a direction that we have not gone
backwards from in over fifty years. What these people are
talking about when they're talking about geting rid of DEI
is systematically not chipping away at the civil rights movement
has been done before, putting in a piece of dynamite
in it. His Elon said, the wholesale deletion of federal agencies.
And now that we're looking at them destroying the voting rights,

(23:19):
that destroying the civil rights, at destroying equal opportunity, all
that the name of getting rid of vote programs? Are
we really going to be so fooled by online social
media influencers that we are the first generation that they
hand the baton to to bring black folks to freedom
and we drop the baton and say, ain't gonna do it.
And that's where we are at currently. So on one

(23:40):
folks to really read up and understand exactly what they
mean when they say they're getting rid of diversity, equity
and inclusion programs. Because these corporations, I hope people understand
at this point in time, do not care about you.
They do not love you. They are here for money.
That is the only reason they care about you. And
when we are out and we are active, when we
are protesting, we're showing that we matter, they'll pledge everything.

(24:01):
They'll have all black folks in the commercial, all those things.
But when those winds shifters, they're shifting right now, they
go right back to what's making the money. And when
we're talking about all the people who didn't have rights
since seventeen seventy six, we need to be building those
alliances across the board. And if it shouldn't just be
of protesting, it shouldn't be just us boycotted. We need
to have that entire big tent umbrella they talk about

(24:22):
during the election season, and they need to be fighting
here with us.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
And Tyler, Look, this thing has now gone and impacted everything.
Massive pullback when it came to Black History Month. I
remember doing Black History Month. It was one speaker's bureau
that said their bookings were down about sixty two to
sixty five percent. Then we talk about Black History Month.

(24:46):
Now we just saw this with June teenth only been
a federal holiday. What now you know two years go
to my iPad. This story here says Verizon, Amazon cancel
support for Juneteenth celebrations, and the story talks about all
these different companies, uh that that that that pulled out.
In Denver, the annual Juneteenth Music Festival was cut from

(25:07):
two days to one due to quote a sharp decline
in corporate sponsorships. Uh. This thing goes on and on
and on and so what you saw is look the
rise of in this financial in its financial support for
the Juneteenth in the Streets festival in Santa Claire to California,
Sarah Claire County, California. Uh and uh and it goes

(25:29):
on and on and on. So here's the whole question. Okay,
what the hell does that have to do with DEI.
So so here's my question, Okay, are these companies going
to scale back on other holidays?

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Are they gonna who they support? Uh?

Speaker 1 (25:44):
And so many of them are using Donald Trump and
and and their conservatives attacking DEI as a wait for
them to say, cool, we're now good. We can get
rid of all these programs.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
We don't have to.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Support, we don't have to support these initiatives, we don't
have to advertise with black on media, we don't do
any of this stuff if it involves people of color.
We can just do whatever the hell we want. That's
also a huge.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Part of this pushback from lots of folks.

Speaker 10 (26:14):
Yeah, absolutely, rolland and I couldn't agree more with the
analysts you know, the fact that they're putting away is
a clear message of where they stand that And as
we said, you know, equity is on a slogan as
a standard, and I think you know, these companies are
showing where the standard is. Even as we look at
McDonalds in this conversation, you know, whether talking audience is

(26:37):
particularly to our communities, it isn't just embold that they're
retreating from their investments, but they're quite frankly signaling that
racial equity can be sacrificed. And I think even as
we have these conversations around whether it's Target or Amazon,

(26:58):
we really have to look at our spending dollars to
see where you know, where those are going and how
we can really control our dollar and control the market.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yup.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Indeed, indeed, all right, folks got to go to break
we come back. Man, Why are all these people hot
and bothered because a Democratic assemblyman won the primary last
night for mayor.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Of New York City is a socialist.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
I'm trying to figure out how people are tripping because
don't Republicans call all Democrats socialists.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
We'll deal with this.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
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Speaker 1 (28:34):
Earthquake? Shocking, stunning upset. All of these phrases have been
thrown around as a result of Democratic Socialist zoron.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Mam Donnie I was a member of the New.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
York State Assembly who claimed victory last night in the
Democratic mayoral primary in New York City. He faced a
field of eleven Canets, including former New York State Governor
Andrew Cuomo. In November, Mam Donnie will face incumbent Mayor
Eric Adams, who is running as an independent and Republican

(29:09):
Curtis Sliwa now Cuomo might also run as an independent.
If elected in November, Mam Donnie will be the first
Muslim and the first Asian American New Service mayor of
New York City. People losing their minds, They're like, oh
my god, what do we do?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
What's happening?

Speaker 1 (29:26):
And joining us right now is Christina Greer, co host
of FAQ NYC talk about this here, and she also,
of course is a book author as well. In those
books include How to Build a Democracy from Fanny lou
Hamer and Barbara Jordan to Stacy Abrams plus Black Ethnics, Race, Immigration,

(29:48):
in the Pursuit of the American Dream and also co
author of Black Politics and Transition, Immigration, Subernization, and Gentrifications,
which that means she got a lot of bookshelf.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
All right, let's get to this.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Here's what I found. I've just been just looking at
the tweets today and going, I'm confused, why y'all so mad?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Oh? I saw? Let me find.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
First of all, Wall Street has been losing their mind.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Here were some of the idiots on CNBC who were
just going who would just, oh my god, what do
we do?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Listen to this Atham.

Speaker 12 (30:32):
If you've seen where what Batman is up against in
Gotham and what the guy running from Mayor is up against,
That's what.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
It reminds me of.

Speaker 12 (30:41):
They're taking Wall streeters and make him walk out onto
the ice in the East River as and hope and then.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
They fall through.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
I mean there is a class warfare, that's.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
So what's happened here?

Speaker 2 (30:53):
I think it's a rich type. There's a division within.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
The being what the hell they were talking about? I
just don't they were just sitting here just just they've
dumping them in the water, and and and I mean
that's literally what it's sounded like. So uh And plus
that dude who was talking, a huge, huge dond Trump
Maga supporter here is uh seeing BC's host is David

(31:19):
Favor uh being extremely uh petty, extremely.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
So so listen to this with his conversation with Jim
Kraman watched this.

Speaker 13 (31:32):
Yes, it is not the closing of of a steakhouse
that David's house loft likes to.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
You like to go to.

Speaker 13 (31:38):
You and I have had dinner there a few times.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yes, and you and are going to recreate the rents
too high.

Speaker 13 (31:44):
You know what, the new mayor potentially of New York
is going to freeze the rents and everybody eats for
free so they don't have to worry.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Really yeah about the rich? No, no, well not shot. Yes,
they get taken away.

Speaker 7 (31:58):
Yes, we have to go, We have.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
To leave now.

Speaker 13 (32:01):
Everybody else there he is mom Donnie maybe named the
Democratic primary for mayor and potentially successor of Eric Adams.
That said, there's still a general election to come here
in New York by the way, you know, of course
we're here. We talked about it, but we are talking
about a two trillion dollar economy.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
You know, he wants to get the Reds down.

Speaker 13 (32:22):
One good way to do it football business and drive
everybody out.

Speaker 7 (32:25):
That'll bring the Reds down. That's a very good point
right a Jersey where I am.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, state, what what the why are these folk freaking out?

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Because it's been a very long time since we've had
a candidate who's been able to articulate a vision so
concisely about wealth.

Speaker 7 (32:42):
Distribution and more equitable New York City.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
And so his campaign was very clear about you know,
free buses, affordable housing, grocery stores, in particular Borrows because
he is an active member of the Democratic.

Speaker 7 (32:57):
Socialism of America. What I think a lot.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Of Democrats underestimated is that there's so many New Yorkers
who are struggling they are willing.

Speaker 14 (33:06):
To take a chance on new ideas.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
And Cuomo, who many elected officials backed current elected officials,
past elected officials, elected officials who weren't even in New
York City, decided to double down and support Andrew Cuomo
because they assumed that he would win. Andrew Cuomo ran
a coronation. He did not run a campaign. He said
very little. He participated in no forums. He only participated

(33:29):
in two debates and one or two interviews.

Speaker 14 (33:31):
And that's it.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
Angrew Cuomo knows New York State, but he doesn't really
know New York City, and he hasn't lived in New
York City for several decades. And so Zaramumdan, he had
an amazing ground game. He had thousands of volunteers. In
many ways, it looked like he was the only person
running in the city for several.

Speaker 14 (33:47):
Months, and he was able to have a huge.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
Groundswell of people who had a vision of a city
that they could actually afford and there are a lot
of people who were not just since COVID, but even
before COVID, have been struggling by financially, and he's presenting solutions.
I honestly, Roland, I thought that the election would be
one of two ways. Because there's so much chaos at
the top of the government in Washington, d C.

Speaker 7 (34:11):
With the Trump administration.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
I thought that some New Yorkers would want a status
quo election, such that when things are uncertain at the top,
you just want to sort of have things stay the
same at the local level. But Zarmam Donnie awakens something
and a lot of voters. That's what I keep hearing
from people who supported him and ranked him number one,
in the sense that because there is so much chaos

(34:34):
and uncertainty at the top of our government, they were
willing to take a chance with someone who had bold
and new ideas.

Speaker 14 (34:40):
Who said, we actually don't have to live with the
status quo. You don't have to vote for.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
Someone who's sixty seven years old, who would have been
the oldest New York City mayor in the history of
the city, who has his own corruption probes, who has
his own me to several over almost a dozen women
accused him of sexual misconduct. We don't actually have to
have elected AFICI with this amount of baggage, and so
it feels very two thousand and eight Barack Obama. You know,

(35:05):
there's this inspiring message, there's hope. The difference is Obama
wasn't a progressive. Zorammdani is very clear he is a progressive,
and he believes in wealth distribution and moving things around
the City of New York. The mayor his budget is
spoken for pretty much. About ninety five to ninety seven
percent of the New York City budget is ironclad. But
that little three percent, that three to five percent that

(35:27):
the mayor actually has that wiggle room about. Zoramumdani wants
to actually have new ideas and move it around. I've
told him very clearly that I think that a lot
of his ideas work under a Biden administration. I'm not
convinced that they necessarily work under a Trump administration. But
he's clearly making the case each day with thousands of
New Yorkers. And by adding in Brad Lander, who's the

(35:50):
current controller. For those of you who don't live in
New York City, the controller is the moneyman. The guy
that sort of handled all of the trillions of dollars
that pass through this city. By teaming up with Brad Lander,
it does feel like two thousand and eight Obama and Biden,
where you have this young upstart who doesn't have a
legislative record, but he's not actually running for a legislative position.
He's running for an executive position, and he's teaming up

(36:11):
with an elder statesman who has been elected citywide, who
can serve as an advisor and essentially someone who co
signs and says, I know actually about some of the
finances and how to move money around, and I will
help this young, sort of inspiring candidate be the best
mayor that he can do.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
So what I did.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
So we had Michael Blake on, I think we had
another candidate on, and we were trying to get some
others on. I didn't spend a lot of time on
the show on the primary because the bottom line is,
when you have so many different candidates, look, it becomes chaotic.
So typically I don't spend time on primaries. I just don't, okay,
especially when you're talking about cities, congressional, racist, state racist

(36:50):
things on those lines. But I was following this, and
so here's the thing to meet guys.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Go, thank you, go what are we doing? Thank you?
Stick with the two shot.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Here's what I don't He's what I didn't understand, and
I'm following this here.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
He ran a campaign. What he did was he focused
like a laser on his message.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I saw a lot of the ads and I was like, damn,
that's a damn.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
Good ad, a good ad.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Would you just would you just laid out? He really
went after young voters. It is a fact that young voters,
millennials and Gen Z are being impacted financially a lot
different than baby boomers in Gen X.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
There's been lots of frustration. And what he did.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Was he talked to people who had checked out of
the process. So what he actually did is what many
of us have been saying to democrats. You need to
appeal to people who do who no longer believe.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
In a system.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
And here is someone who they said, Man, I like
what he's saying. I like how he's saying.

Speaker 15 (38:07):
He was extremely locked in on TikTok on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
He was running a real campaign.

Speaker 15 (38:14):
So I'm just trying to figure out why all these
people are freaking out maybe it's because the conventional wisdom
is always, oh, no, Cuomo well known, lots of money.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Bloomberg dumped millions to his campaign.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Guess what he's gonna cake walk as opposed to Oh,
he got out campaigned.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Yeah, I mean, Roland, you're so right. I mean, we
know that Bloomberg dropped eight.

Speaker 7 (38:40):
Point three million on the books.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
You know there's always money off the books too, Door
Dash Bill Ackman, you know Bill Ackman, the architect behind
getting rid of Claudine Gay at Harvard, who's also the
best friend of Whitney Tilson, who's also a candidate for mayor.
Joramum Donnie ran a campaign. He's one of the few
candidates that you even knew was running for mayor.

Speaker 14 (38:59):
And I think youth in this instance does help.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
His use of Instagram and TikTok and social media and
inspiring young people definitely helped. His stance on the Middle East.
Is was not with the pack and the herd. You know,
on the second debate when they were all asked where
they would travel right after they became mayor, everyone said Israel,
except for Zarammdani. He said, I'm the mayor of New

(39:23):
York I should probably stay in New.

Speaker 7 (39:24):
York and get my job done.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
And they was pressed constantly, you know, and sort of
given this label that he's an anti Semite just because
he wouldn't say that he'd traveled to Israel is his
first place. So, you know, I think a lot of
people really respected the fact that he stood up for
some values and principles that he has. And again, younger
people skew a lot more progressive on the Middle East
questions and the quandaries that are happening there. And then,

(39:47):
you know, I think Roland when you have someone like
Andrew Cuomo who just runs a coronation and it's I
have the money and I have the big guys, and
I'll win without a real message, without connecting to voters,
and sadly, black voters off times can be cheap dates,
especially those who are older. Andrew Cuomo promised nothing. He
did very well with the black community because many people

(40:08):
love and respect his dad, because he's a known quantity,
Because there was an assumption that he would win.

Speaker 7 (40:13):
You see a lot of black elected in New York
City lining up behind him.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
But moving forward, I'm always curious as to how four
groups will behave and that's the business community, the real
estate community, the labor unions, and.

Speaker 14 (40:25):
The Hasidic community. And depending on how those.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
Four groups break, that won't give us a clearer indication
as to whether or not Zurammdani has a fighting chance
on November fourth, or if we will see the business
in real estate community circle back around the block and
go with Eric Adams, because they invested a lot of
money in Eric Adams.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
But here's the deal, though, when you're running, you put
together coalition.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
So this is the New York Times right here. They
broke down.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
And first of all, folks, we don't have one hundred
percent precincts reporting because you got to remember there's still
like counting because of ranked and all that sort of
stuff like that.

Speaker 14 (41:02):
July first will have a proper account.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
But here's what's mazing. You listened to all those hacks
on the CNBC. Oh my god, they're gonna be leaving
New York City.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
The neighborhoods with higher incomes. He won. He demolished Cuomo
in those neighborhoods.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
So the folk with money in New York City clearly
wasn't scared of the socialists. Middle income residents forty seven
percent was again now granted forty nine percent of the
preseints reporting there twenty four percent with higher income residents,
but it was a higher percentage gap between Cuomo and
Mamdani on higher income residents lower income residents. Cuomo won

(41:42):
by eleven points college graduates. Mamdannie meats them seventeen points.
White residents he wins plus five Hispanic residents, he wins
plus seven Black residents. Quomo plus seventeen Asian residents. He
is plus sixteen more renters. That was a huge issue.

(42:03):
He was plus fourteen. That is what is called a
winning coalition. And again that's how you win.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
You don't. What Cuomo tried.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
To do is appeal to Jewish voters, appeal to anti
Muslim voters.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
He tried to do a foot dance with Trump.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Not as bad as Eric Adams or when it comes
to the whole immigration issue, where's this guy?

Speaker 2 (42:31):
If you just look at how it.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Was constructed, it was and also Bernie Sanders. This is
called identity politics, how you target different groups politically. But
he this is called how you construct a winning campaign.
Like I'm just sitting here watching these people going, what
is wrong with y'all?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Study what actually happened.

Speaker 14 (42:56):
But Roland, I mean, this is a classic case of
you know, Andrew Cuomo hasn't lived in New York City since.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
He was nineteen years old, so he doesn't really know
the city. And so he came in relatively late, to
the very late actually to the campaign and just thought
that money would be the thing. And what he didn't
realize is he the city has changed. B There are
a lot of you know, wealthy New Yorkers. They're not
super super rich, they're not you know, mega millionaires, but

(43:21):
they recognize that making sure that people have a place
to live, a place to work, you know, it's that
old sort of adage workers well means. But also when
we think about the French Revolution, right, if you starve.

Speaker 14 (43:39):
The poor, they have nothing left to eat.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
But the rich.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
And so I think a lot of people recognize that
you can't sort of starve sort of certain classes in
the city because many of them will not be able
to leave. And so what happened, right, I mean, many
New Yorkers still remember the late seventies and early eighties
before David Dinkins was elected, when crime was rampant and

(44:03):
you saw, you know, thousands of murders a year, I
also think, you know, for me, and this was part
of the reason, besides the me two stuff, besides the corruption,
besides the antiquated messaging of which there was very.

Speaker 14 (44:13):
Little, but for me was Andrew Cuomo.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
The reason why I was against his candidacy is because
Roland I was convinced that if Andrew Cuomo got into office,
and there's still a possibility because he's still on an
independent line, that he and Donald Trump have known each
other for almost five decades now, and they've had their
ups and downs, but there clearly has to be a
meeting point of the two of them. Obviously, the power
dynamic has changed several different times over the course of

(44:38):
their relationship.

Speaker 14 (44:39):
And my biggest fear was that.

Speaker 5 (44:41):
The bargaining chip that Andrew Cuomo would use to get
into the good graces of Donald Trump would be Tiss James,
our attorney general, because of their mutual hatred for this
black woman who has done her job and actually gone
after both of these corrupt men. And so that was
my biggest concern with having an Andrew Cuomo as the
executive your city.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I know you got a hard out. I want my
parents to be able to get that question for you.
There's some other stuff that I want to talk about.
I want to tie you in the sister who lost
in Buffalo a couple of years ago, But let me
go to the payments first. Uh, Tyler, I'll start with
you your question for Christina.

Speaker 10 (45:17):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think you know it's amazing of
the race. I think, as you all mentioned, he proved
what out organized and social politics can give you and
if you give him a chance, and progressive politics doesn't
have to be something to shy away from, but it's
actually something where we demand affordability and democracy that works
for us all. What do you think is the uh,

(45:40):
the ground game going into November's election day against so
many oddsts stacked against him and all the messaging from
the New York Times to mega millionaires in their messaging
against mot Donny.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
Well, if he keeps us the pace, the hard work
that he's done, I think you know he's got fighting chance.
But we have to remember that New York gets this
reputation of being a lot more progressive than it actually is. Right,
we have many different shades of color, blue and purple
and red in this city. Right, we always just say, like, oh,
Staten Islands, the red parts.

Speaker 14 (46:13):
No, no, no, we know that there are red.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Parts and purple parts of Manhattan, of Brooklyn, definitely the Bronx,
and definitely Queens.

Speaker 14 (46:20):
And so this vision will be stamped.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
As this socialist vision, which obviously, for Latino communities right
that's been a boogeyman word that has sort of ushered them.

Speaker 7 (46:31):
Away from progressive politics.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
We know that not all black people, and not many
black people are hardcore progressives, even if some of the
policies will most likely benefit us.

Speaker 14 (46:41):
We are strategic voters, and we have to go to
the polls thinking of everybody else, especially how the vast
majority of white voters will behave.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
So oftentimes we might vote for our second or third
choice candidate because we'd rather.

Speaker 14 (46:51):
Get something than nothing.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
And so it will be incumbentent palms around to present
this message to various groups of participatory New Yorkers, and
Black New Yorkers overperform at the ballot box. But the
electric November fourth looks very differently than the electric we
saw last night, and so it'll be a larger group,
even though our participation rates are pretty abysmal.

Speaker 14 (47:13):
But it'll be a much more moderate to conservative group.
That's turning out.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
And so how he pivots, not necessarily moves, but how
he pivots some of the messaging so that people aren't
afraid of some of the distributional politics that he's proposing.

Speaker 7 (47:29):
Will will sort of be the case.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
And so we also have to remember again those four
groups that I mentioned, real, esay, business, labor, and hissidic
ju Yes.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Well, plus there's going to be a vicious media assault
daily against him between now and November fourth.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Rebecca, thank you for being on the show tonight. So
I've been looking at the latest numbers and looks like
Clomo almost got the plus twenty over index on black voters.
Mom Donnie is almost down to plenty with black voters.
Eric Adams is going to be running as an independent.
There's rumors that Colemos going to run as independent. I

(48:08):
also heard both Don Limon and Clay Caine earlier today
were talking about how Mam Donnie did not do significant
outreach with black media. Can you talk more, share more,
why or what Mom Donie's efforts towards black communities in
New York has looked like.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
Yeah, So I think moving forward, I think we'll probably
see much more.

Speaker 14 (48:33):
Outreach, But keep in mind in a primary, you've.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
Got a limited time and you have to figure out
who are going to be your number ones. Ran Choice
voting system, and black people were very clearly with Andrew Cuomo.
So that doesn't mean that he's not going to reach
out to black people, but strategically it didn't make sense
for his campaign to try and convert people that were
very clear already with a candidate. Now, how he moves
forward in the summer will say a lot.

Speaker 14 (48:56):
I've had issues with the DSA in the past.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
The Democratic Socials of America. I've been very clear on
my podcast. I don't like the way they talk to
black people. I don't like the way they talk at
black people, and so I've been very clear that at
a certain point in time he's either going to have
to pivot away.

Speaker 14 (49:10):
From them or explain to them that you.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
Can't go into black communities and fingerwag and tell black
people how they should be voting when we have to
be strategic to make sure that our rights are protected,
because don't forget, we're the ones who were on the
front lines making sure that everyone has these rights that
we so frequently enjoy. So I'm curious to see how
he will move forward. I mean, he was on MIRO,

(49:33):
I know he was on Breakfast Club. I know that
he's not afraid to talk to black people. That's been
very clear. He also walked the length of Manhattan and
talked to all different types of New Yorkers. I am
curious to see who will be in his volunteer core.
But part of those numbers that you're seeing is because
Andrew Pomo essentially presented it where it's like, I have.

Speaker 14 (49:52):
Black people on lock.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
So when you have a very limited time to get
across the finish line, that's not the time to convert
black people.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
From June twenty five fifth to November fifth.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
Or November fourth is the time to convert black people.
But in a primary, when you already know who your
universe of voters will be, that wasn't strategically it made sense.
If I were his campaign director, I would probably advise
the same thing.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Plus you were you're looking at you had Cuomo. You
had Adrian Adams the council president.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
You had Donor Myrie, you had Michael Blake Adams, and
and you had Cuomo, who's getting all the endorsements from
everyone from al Sharpton to James Clyburn, Yep, they said
nothing of the local elected members of black elected members
of Congress and the state House.

Speaker 9 (50:33):
Robert, you know, I think the what's playing out in
New York's very much was playing out in the party
writ large nationwide. Kind of this battle between what are
we supposed to the safe kind of establishment pick are
really pushed forward a strong progressive agenda. What lessons can
the rest of the country learn from this race about

(50:53):
just as the young folks say, say with your chest,
none of these infamisms, none of this mag alte that
we're hearing from much of the Democratic Party, like say
what you want, We're going to legalize prostitution were legalized
and weed that you can. Like, what's wrong with just
saying the thing that people actually agree with? And will
Democrats learn that might be the way to win elections
by giving people what they care about.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Right.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
But here's where it gets complicated because our tent is
so large. There are several Democrats who do not believe
in those issues and so but we're still in the
same party.

Speaker 14 (51:25):
So I don't know if this particular election.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Is a mandate.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
Let's just say, hypothetically, there on Mum Donnie is successful
in November fourth. I don't know if this particular election
is a mandate for the larger party at large. Now,
there are a lot of Democrats who are saying, why
are we just Republican life? Why are we constantly moving
to the middle and essentially acting like George hw Bush
Republican right? Because the Republican parties move so far to

(51:49):
the right we can't even recognize them. But then there
are other Democrats who want to be progressive, and then
there's a third category where they like to sort of
slide across the scale because they recognized to be calcified
in one camp or the other doesn't make sense. So
it will be interesting to see. You know, I was
on a radio show and MBR this morning.

Speaker 7 (52:10):
Zora Mamdanni was on right before I was, where he.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
Said, you know, Michael Bloomberg had some good ideas, which
I had a lot of smoke from Michael Bloomberg the
twelve years he was in office, but he actually did
have some good ideas.

Speaker 7 (52:21):
He protected our watershed.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
We have some of the best water in the city
of New York, which keeps us in you know, millions
of other people safe so you know, the.

Speaker 14 (52:27):
List goes on and on. But there's some progressives who
don't want to hear that at all. And then there
are other.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
Folks who will say, well, obviously, if you're progressive, you
have to be open to working with people who aren't
so calcified and rigidly just like you in your in
your ideology and your politics. And that's I think the
real hard question for Democrats, because we are so diverse
under the big tent of the Democratic Party label.

Speaker 9 (52:52):
I'm gonna I'm real quick because she has to go
go I'm sorry, just real quick follow up. What do
you say to young voters when they see the mag
the side of the aisle and they ain't compromising at all.
They're not finding middle ground, they're not playing three D chest,
They're just saying what they want to do in it.
And we're telling our young people, well, you know, we're
going to say what you what we believe in. We
just got to paint it up in line a little

(53:13):
bit so people believe you. How can we motivate a
generation to get behind us when the other side is
coming direct and we're kind of doing the Barrysiander's side
to side.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
Well, Well, but keep in mind, keep in mind the
MAGA people.

Speaker 7 (53:24):
You know, it's own.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
They're a small percentage of the Republican Party. It's just
they've they've muted the rest of the party. There are
a lot of Republicans who do not believe in.

Speaker 7 (53:31):
The Maga agenda.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
They just don't have the backbone to say anything. I
think the difference with Democrats is that we actually have
very differing ideas at times. My job as a professor
is to actually get people inspired to be a politics
and what is really harmful is when you see millionaires
and billionaires actually putting in a lot of money in
these super PACs to make sure they just try and

(53:53):
snuff out an energetic campaign and an energetic candidate before
they could even get any traction. And so that that's
part of the bigger issue where we have a big
money problem just like Republicans, but Democrats have a big
money problem where if you're not part of the establishment,
we just want to sort of put in a lot
of money to make you go away, and that is
not helpful for the future of the party.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Well.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Also, I just want to remind people and I keep
saying this and it drives me crazy. Christina, and let
me get this in before you do go.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
And that is.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
And for all the people y'all. I've been trying, y'all
been telling me not to cuss. I'm gona trying not
to cuss. But so just I'm gonna give y'all a
five second trigger warning right now, So turn your audio down.
So this is for all the people who are saying,
oh my god, dims nationally are in danger because of
what happened in New York City. I want to be

(54:47):
as clear and concise as I can. Shut the fuck up.
Y'all are idiots. A city election in New York City
does not dictate everybody around the country because politics, and

(55:08):
this also goes with Robert just as Christina, you run
also based upon who the voters are. If you are
running in a conservative city, you're the black guy who
just won in Omaha, who beat the incoming Republican. He

(55:29):
can't run in Omaha, Nebraska like Mamdani can, or like
the person in Charlotte, or the person in Houston can run.
Congresswoman in Maxine Waters can run a certain campaign that
Sanford Bishop in Georgia can't run. And so it drives
me crazy with these national asshole journalists do these Oh

(55:54):
my god, the Damns nationally are in trouble. Namdania is
going to represent the entire party. Eric Adams didn't represent
the entire damn party. And so it's just dumb to
just think that one election that's somehow gonna dictate the
rest of the nation because he won the primary, and

(56:17):
real quick, because and I want you to and people
understand this here. Remember remember India Walton, the black woman
in Buffalo who beat the incumbent mayor in the primary
Socialist And what did Mayor Brown do? Ran as a

(56:38):
write in or independent. They put all the money behind him.
He beat her in the general, and so folk pumped
your brakes. She won the primary, didn't win the general. Mom,
Donnie has won the primary. Don't mean he's gonna win
the general. It's a lot.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
That's going on. But Christina, it is greating on me.

Speaker 14 (57:00):
Right, well lot the whole nation.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Right.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
We have a long road to November. I think I
keep telling people. First of all, we need to see
what the numbers look like on July first, when we
have show and tell, to see where Cuomo was, to
see what communities supported and did not support, him, but
there will be a very long campaign and arduous campaign
going into November fourth, and all politics as local, especially
New York because we have a so many people in

(57:26):
so much diversity. I mean, also, Roland, I really appreciate
you letting me come on to talk about this because
the number of bad takes I've heard today about New
York City.

Speaker 14 (57:34):
Because most people just because you live in New York.

Speaker 7 (57:36):
Doesn't mean you know New York City politics.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
And many people know national politics, but New York City
is its own beast. People don't know that you can
run on multiple party lines. Right, Andrew Cuomo ran on
the Democratic line in the primary. He also has this
you know, fight and deliver party, right, mom Donnie. If
he hadn't won, there was a conversation that he might
run on the Working Families party he might still run
on the Working Families party line in addition to the

(57:59):
Democrat party line.

Speaker 14 (58:00):
So are there are a lot of nuanced conversations.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
A lot of people don't understand, and we will hopefully
have more nuanced conversations moving towards November fourth.

Speaker 14 (58:09):
So people aren't confused.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
As to why the business community would rally behind Eric
Adams YEP why would the Hasidic community or labor unions
rally behind Eric Adams or not?

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Right?

Speaker 7 (58:19):
And so there it is. I've got a boogie, but
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I got you, Christina, We'll have you back. We appreciate it.
Thanks a lot.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Okay, Gonna go to a break.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
When you come back, talk more about this and unpack
this a little bit more so people can have a
better understanding. Don't forget support the work that we do, folks. Again,
And the first of all, ain't nobody else in black
on media having this conversation because they don't have any shows.
I'm just being straight up, Okay, so they don't even exist,
all right, Rebecca about the follow hudshare.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Laugh and come on, Anthony, you miss it? You got Anthony.
You gotta be quicker than that. Come on, hit it.
See But I mean, but it's true, it's true. Ain't
nobody else with it? They ain't doing.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Nothing, Okay, all the black cable networks no news shows.
BT got a monthly show and that might get cut
with the announcement layoffs today.

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But the other digital folk dang got nothing.

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Speaker 2 (59:52):
The other side of change.

Speaker 14 (59:54):
Juneteenth Day about blackness.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
It's a great day about freedom.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
It's also a day about talking about justice to lead
and we are not in the business of justice being
denied to us.

Speaker 14 (01:00:02):
So stick around. You're going to talk all about the
case of reparations.

Speaker 16 (01:00:06):
The Pucher Reparations is not just an economic project, it's
a moral project. So if we want to live up
to the ideas of this foundation, then reparations has to
be something that we pursue.

Speaker 14 (01:00:17):
Only on the other side of change.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
On the Black Start network, What's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Good Jonnie is Doug e Freshman watching my brother Roland
Martin unbuilty as we go, a little something like this
hit it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
It's realm Well then coming niggas the bear.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Eric Adams is doing all he can to appeal to
white conservatives.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Expect to see more of this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
He was on Fox and Friends this morning as they
were operating operating as campaign surrogates for Eric Adams.

Speaker 17 (01:01:13):
Listen to this, just the mayor, It's not just defund
the police. This Canada Democratic socialist. He wants to freeze
the rent. He wants city run grocery store social workers
to replace the police because that's going to help. He
wants sixty billion dollars of debt fund for affordable housing.
He wants free busses, no cost for childcare, baby baskets

(01:01:34):
for newborn, and a thirty dollars minimum wage. How can
someone vote for this?

Speaker 18 (01:01:41):
He's just snake oil salesman. He would say and do
anything to get elected. Think about this for my moment.
He wants to raise one percent. He wants to raise
tax on one percent of New York's high indcommerness as
a mayor. You don't have the authority to do that.
You know who has your already to do that? An assemblyman,

(01:02:02):
which he is, he wants to do free buses, he
could have done it that assemblyman. He doesn't understand the
power of government and how you must making sure you
improve your economy, raise the standard of living. And this
is what we've done in the city. And I'm looking
forward to being on the campaign trail and showing New

(01:02:23):
York is we can't go backwards, and New York is
never surrender or quit. I'm never going to quit for
the city that I love.

Speaker 14 (01:02:32):
That is so interesting.

Speaker 12 (01:02:34):
You're in the position so you know you don't have
the authority to do that. Yet he's running on all
these promises he's not going to be able to fulfill.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
He is to me, would I find be interesting Lars B.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Jones, who is absolutely not one of the brightest bulb
in a dark room. Okay, he goes, matter of fact,
I just want to listen to it again, y'all.

Speaker 17 (01:03:04):
Listen, is just the mayor. It's not just defund the police.
This Canada Democratic socialist. He wants to freeze the rent.
He wants city run grocery store social workers to replace
the police, because that's gonna help. He wants sixty billion
dollars of depth fund for affordable housing. He wants free buses,
no cost for childcare, baby baskets for newborn, and a

(01:03:26):
thirty dollars minimum wage. How can someone vote for this?

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
How about they did? See? This is what I find
to be absolutely stupid. All of these people are angry
and upset because people actually voted. So let me just
remind you how this works.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
You announce you runner office, you declare your candiacy, you
launch it your campaign. Election day, people vote, So you're
mad they actually voted in the primary.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Well guess what.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
People then are going to have an opportunity to vote
in the junior election in November November fourth. I can't
stand these mag of people. But guess what they voted?
Other people, Sam to couch, they didn't vote. Let me
explain to y'all how this worked. If you get more votes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Than the other person, you wins. You win. And if.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
That person's people vote and your people don't, then you
don't have a chance at winning. The crazy thing to me, Rebecca,
they're mad that people voted the way they wanted to vote.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I don't live in New York City. I pop in,
I pop out. I got no.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Interest in living in New York City. To many rats,
too much trash.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
It ain't me. Also, I like grass. I ain't trying
to see all that concrete. Okay, that's just me, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
But they voted so clearly that was something a lot
of people liked about Mom Donnie.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
For anyone in the audience, if you've been to New
York City lately, or even been to New York City
in the last twenty years, it's expensive. And people who
live in New York there's a few things that they want.
They want affordable housing, they want affordable childcare, they want
affordable transportation. They want to actually be able to work

(01:05:42):
and live within an hour of where they work and
live instead of having hours long commute because they can't
afford to live in the city in which they work.
I mean, that's the Working Family's Party platform. Shout out
to my friend Maurice Mitchell, Working Families Party. They had
a clean slate last night, all up and down New

(01:06:05):
York State. And so this really shows that Eric Adams
is extremely out of touch. Maybe it's because he's been
really been living in New Jersey, which came out when
he ran the first time, is that people want to
actually afford to live in New York. When we look
at certain cities like San Francisco and see that a
lot of people have had to flee the city because
they could longer afford it, you know, New York is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Also one of those cities that's teetering there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
And you know a lot of people who are in
New York City they don't want to be displaced because
we remember, what was it ten years ago, five years ago,
there was the black guy who ran on the platform
of the rent is too damn high. I think that
was the party that he ran on that he was
a part of. It's expensive. There should be nowhere in
the United States where people are going hungry, they can't

(01:06:52):
find a place to live, they can't have affordable child care,
they can't afford to live. That should not be America.
But what we're seeing right now that has become America.
So even for Eric Adams and Fox and Friends, the
pushback of the quote unquote socialist agenda.

Speaker 14 (01:07:07):
It's because capitalism really isn't working for.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
A lot of people in this country. It's becoming the
American nightmare, not the American dream.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Uh, entirely town zoos, A congressman h put this tweet out.
I had to respond, I had serious concerns about as
similarly Man Mamdani before yesterday, and that is one of
the reasons I endorsed his opponent. Those concerns remained, and
I went and the voters.

Speaker 10 (01:07:33):
Voted exactly Roland, And I think it reveals its It
reveals something deeper about how power reacts when it's no
longer in control.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
You said.

Speaker 10 (01:07:45):
New York City voters, especially young, working class and communities
of color, they chose their candidate who's who reflected their realities,
which was housing, justice, transit, transmit equity, anti policing platforms.
We talked about how Ice is invading the city. But
when those candidates win, as we see here, clearly, political
establishments in media don't call it democracy. They'll call it chaos.

(01:08:11):
And I think what we saw here was people they
voted for. They voted for themselves, and that's what democracy
looks like. Democracy looks like when people go out and
vote their interests.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:08:20):
And the outrage isn't about voter turnout for misinformation it's
really about finally showing up and shifting the narrative. And
that's exactly what the candidate did in yesterday's election.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
So Robert Larry Summers, who was the former president of Harvard,
he worked for Obama, what was over economic advisors?

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Whatever the hell he did? Okay, I don't know what
the hell he did. So this was his tweet.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
I am profoundly alarmed about the future of the DNC
and the country by yesterday's New York City annointment of
a candidate who failed to disavow quote a globalized the
in devotop slogan, and advocated Troskeait economic policies. I fear
it is evidence that our party is following the most
problematic aspects of Britain's Labor Party. It didn't work there

(01:09:11):
and it won't work here. Harvard and other universities. Moral
weakness after October seventh and condoning hateful anti Israeli and
even anti Semitic rhetoric and activity opened the Overton window
in ways that contributed to yesterday's outcome. I hope candidate
Mam Donnie, who showed great ability to learn and adapt
during this campaign, will continue to evolve in ways that

(01:09:31):
provide much needed reassurance to people committed to a free
from prejudice market economy as an American ideal. An important
task for Mam Donnie now is to provide reassurance that
is moral energy and formidable political skills can be productively
directed for the city of New York at this difficult moment.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
What a bullshit ass statement.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
First of all, like I said Robert, him winning a
primary ain't got a damn thing to do with the DNC.
It ain't got a damn thing to do with anybody
else running anywhere in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Again, just as reminded to the people who forgot this
sister here socialist India Walton.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
She won the primary in Buffalo. The world didn't end.
They targeted her, ran against her. She lost in the general.
I'm not saying that's going to happen to Mom Donnie.
He may win in November, and if he does, that
mean the voters actually chose him. So Larry Summers go
kick Rocks.

Speaker 9 (01:10:36):
Look, this is the empire striking back. And we see
this every time there's these insarching candidates the establishment of
both parties. Actually, but but we're talking about the Democrats, right,
now the establishment decides, well, this might be a little
bit too hot water for the rest of us. So
we saw this with Corey Bush. We saw this Jamal Bowman,
we saw this with Nita Turner. We see this an

(01:10:58):
election after election, they always say that we want the
candidate of hope and change. What they really are talking
about is just the status quo that benefits are rich
people the most, and until we can get out of that,
we are losing entire generation. You know this as well
as I do. Nearly to a person. The black magos
that you see today, if you get to them in college,

(01:11:19):
if you find a picture of them from two thousand
and seven, two thousand and eight, they have Obama shirts on.
You know, they were at the marches, they were at
the rallies. They were the hope and change generation. And
when and when they did not see that hope, they
did not see that change, they became disillusioned with politics.
And then they started looking for somebody who was actually
going to shake up the two party system, and they
settled on Trump. Do they agree with them on policy,

(01:11:41):
Ain't got no damn policy. There's nothing to agree with.
And Democrats have to learn you can't keep cutting off
the next generation to support the status quotes that exist
right now, because you're going to lose in the marketplace
of ideas. I'm glad that Larry Summer's mentioned the Labor
Party in Europe are in Great Britain because after fourteen
years of Tory rule, we saw Labor under Kids Starmer

(01:12:03):
take over all a progressive message. It wasn't just Labor,
it was a Labor the Libdibs, of the Libdibs, the Greens,
they all took party above the Tories because they had
just entered into reform UK, because their conservative movement had
their own Maga movement inside of it. The point being
that if you look at that European corrollary to American politicans,
it tells us we need to be bolder, We need

(01:12:24):
to be stronger that in the face of fascism as
we're seeing in France and in Italy and in Belarus
around the continent, it takes strong candidates willing to stand
up for real values. And that's what this selection is
telling us. We need people who actually have a voice
and who aren't afraid of the money.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Again, if you don't like them, try to beat them.
That's called democracy going to break will be right back,
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Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Folks called weeks ago. We have the.

Speaker 21 (01:14:10):
Note, Folks, a couple weeks ago at the No Kings

(01:14:32):
protests took place in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Others are being playing right now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
At the top of the show, we talked about, uh,
the boycott happened with McDonald's there's a history of protests
in America.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
It's real.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
My next guest has a new book out that lays
all of this out. And so Gloria Brown, she's the
author of a protest History of the United States. She
joins us, right, guys, can y'all please show the graphic?
I need to see her book? Show to graphic. Thank
you very much much, Thank you very much. Here we go, So,
a author of a protest history of the United.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
States, Gloria, thanks for joining us. First and foremost, why
don't you want to do this?

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Because there have been so many people who had given
up their lives and livelihoods through protests, and they do
all the sacrificing, and we take advantage of what they've done,
and then people forget all about them. And also, I
wanted the new generations of protesters to learn the strategies
and what went into making movements happen, as opposed to

(01:15:31):
believing that protests was ineffective and they just giving it
up and only have like these, you know, emotional protesting.
It's over and say, oh it didn't work, because I
didn't see change happened within twenty four hours Bert.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I was reading this one story.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
This was after the death of George Floyd, The Myrtle
of George Floyd, and this one Brother's like, well, man,
you know, politics ain't nothing. I ain't voting, but I'm
going protest. And I'm like protesting and not voting. Your
has just gone for a walk.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
You know, there are people are saying I'm going to protest,
I'm going to protest, but they don't really understand that
there is a very strong history of protests. And I
always like to say the eight hour work day came
through protests. So what the laws are on the books?
The Constitution ratified in seventeen eighty nine, the Bill of
Rights in seventeen ninety one, the Fourteenth Amendment in eighteen

(01:16:24):
sixty eight. Those are words. What made it happen was litigation, legislation,
and protests, or it would still just be nice words
on paper. So people need to know that in order
to vote, you're voting for something. Somebody's going to create laws.
What do those laws mean if they don't have a
reality behind them. The protest makes those laws into reality

(01:16:44):
to fit our lives.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
I think, as you lay out in the book, when
you take the time to understand protest. It wasn't about
a singular event. There was a strategy. And that's the
thing that drives me crazy when I see people and
they say, hey, we're having a protest, and I'm like, okay, why,

(01:17:10):
what's the purpose, what's the plan of action? What are
you gonna protest? Sinssarity?

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
What are you gonna do on Monday? That's what drives
me crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
And it's because it doesn't give the forefathers and mothers
a protest any credit for all that went into it.
I had the chance to go to Selma about a
month or so ago. That's part of their sixtieth anniversary
of the march across the Edmund Petits Bridge for voting rights.
Those elders were high school students who took classes every

(01:17:41):
week on nonviolent protests and philosophy and practice and tactics.
Who was gonna get arrested? Who was gonna bail them out?
This wasn't just the one and done. They did this
for weeks over time while they were in school. So
we need to understand it. The TV shows show one
protest and then everything changes. When it took years for

(01:18:02):
us to get voting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Rights, absolutely and so.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Explain folk that there's also an art to protesting. There's
a process here. It ain't just hey, let's just roll
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Some protests, for example, when George Floyd was murdered, there
is an emotional impulse to go out and get that
frustration out of you. But protests over time, if we
look at it, whether or not, it's protests for the
labor movements, for women's rights, for racial justice. It's a
strategy in which people decide where they're going to protest,

(01:18:42):
how long they're going to protest. And then, like you said,
what is the message Because you're trying to persuade thought,
you're just not trying to have an action. The action
is supposed to lead to people being persuaded to your side.
And that's why Martin Luther King was such a magical
person when it came to protest. He knew how to
use the media, he knew how to have strategies, and
if one strategy didn't work, you had to tweak it

(01:19:03):
for another one. There was so much more that went
into it than people are seeing just watching these clips
on television.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Go to my panel, Robert your first, Thank you so much,
and thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (01:19:17):
For such an outstanding work, and I have someone who's
been active in the movement since I was about seventeen
years old. I think you're spot on when you talk
about the way we educate people about the civil rights
movement in particular and the workers' rights movement, et cetera.
I always had to sing on my radio show that's
almost like we teach it as a fairy tale that

(01:19:37):
one day Abraham Lincoln woke up and he decided to
have lunch to Martin Luther King, and then they got
on the underground railroad and road to watch in DC
to do the I Have a Dream speech, and then
Barack Obama came out that nation all shook hands and
racism was over. That's how they teach black history in America.
Can really talk about the need for us to educate

(01:19:58):
this next generation on the levels of work that went
into planning SELMA, that went into planning the Montgomery bus boycott,
that went into planning the first March on Washington, et cetera.
So they will see that this is not a quick
I'm going to send out one tweet, I'm going to
change my profile picture to black and solidarre I'm not
going to go to target this weekend.

Speaker 7 (01:20:19):
But it has to be part of a sustained movement.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
And you're so right, it has to be part of
a sustain movement. But there also has to be a
vision for where people want to go. It's not just
protesting against something. We're also moving towards something. So they're
protesting against racism or protesting for voting rights. And what
gets lost, I think is that people are feeling this
emotional need to protest against the regime that's in place

(01:20:44):
right now in the White House. But what are we
protesting for? What's the vision going forward and whether or
not it's the labor movement, protesting for the eight hour workweek,
protesting for better wages, protesting for the union Amazon plants.
So people have to protest for something as well as

(01:21:04):
thinking they have to protest against. And I think the
strategy in protesting for means that you have to have
a message. You have to think about who's good at
what not everybody is going to be a leader. You
have to have a lot of foot soldiers. How are
you going to do this? I tell people don't protest
after sundown because that's when bad things happen. So that
means you're planning a time for the protest, you're planning

(01:21:26):
where you're going to protest, how long you're going to
do it, and then having sit ins? Why not use
the sit in that hasn't been used in a long time?
And I say, well, sit in? Maybe sit in a
Trader Joe sit in at these places, and which protests
are supposed to disrupt and inform and move towards something.
So there were so many things that were going on,
and as you said, the way they write the story

(01:21:46):
today and have the movie version of it, people are
wondering if they protest once, why isn't change happening overnight?

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Rebecca, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
I'm concerned that for is going to incite social unrest,
especially as we start to go into the heat and
the height of summer. What are ways in which our
community can stay safe if they choose to exercise the
right to protest.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
I'm glad you asked that. These are all brilliant questions.
One of the things that happened after Kamala Harris had
Heroiction stolen, because I still believe there was voter suppression
there that was not investigated, was that the onslaught of
this regime was to instigate, was to have the shock
and awe of all of this legislation through executive orders,

(01:22:41):
and with the sense from the first term that they
were going to use the National Guard. And I told
people months ago he was going to use the National Guard,
but in his first term he said he was going
to use it in South Chicago, the South side of
Chicago against us because black people are the target. It
just so happened that you had that uprising that took

(01:23:01):
place in LA that was not as large as it
was made to seem. But all that you saw that
happened in LA I think is supposed to be targeted
toward us. So my main concern becomes, as we look
at the summer, people are saying, I'm tired, I don't
want to protest. If we protest that we're going to
be injured. So we have to be very careful that

(01:23:24):
when we rise up, we rise up in ways that
are structured so that it's not an instigation. But they're
going to use anything as an instigation. I'm telling you
that right now, and that's why the planning for it
has to be is during the day that people have
the telephone number of attorneys, that the attorneys are not
at the protests, that if we're going to be arrested,
there's a plan to how we're going to use the arrests.

(01:23:46):
And non violent philosophy has to be something that people
want to do, not something we're just supposed to do
because we're black. But I think if we're not part
of the protests, as they say, if you're not at
the dinner table, you're probably on the menu. And the
protests I've been to, our issues are not there at all.
And I'll give you this example when that helicopter and

(01:24:07):
the plane collided in Washington, DC and he said it
was DEI no one stood up for us. And that's
why I said, I've got to be a part of
a protest on President's Day because with other people from
New York City, New Jersey to say you've got to
do something, We've got to not be erased, because we're
being a rased right now. So it's difficult to balance

(01:24:28):
out being quiet means that we get erased. How do
we get our voices out there and stay safe. That's
why I said it has to be during the day.
It has to be much more planning than you saw
in the Los Angeles that was just like this emotional outburst,
and we have to have some leadership in this planning.
And young people today don't want leaders they want to
do things that leaderlessly. I think we're going to have

(01:24:50):
to have our message very clear, and we're going to
have to have allies there with us.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
But on that particular point there, I think it's critically important.
And I get this idea of leaderless protesting, but I'm sorry,
somebody has to lead, So you have to have a hierarchy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
You have to be able to give orders.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
And I think that was one of the problems with
Occupy Wall Street. You know, we saw this as well
with I mean the implosion of frankly, black voters matter,
and they're still trying to, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Get that back.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
I get you want to have consensus, but at the
end of the day, you're gonna need some folks who
are literally in charge because somebody got to make decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
You're so right, And in my book Protests History of
the United States, I go from the indigenous resistance to
European invaders, to slave uprisings and making of unions, all
the way to women's rights and then climate change and
each one of those struggles within it where they were
done differently. The different leaders had different personality types, and

(01:25:58):
I tried to as best I can talk about the
personality types of the Native American chiefs who were trying
to negotiate or when they did have to attack, and
the different types of uprisings between Denmark VC and that Turner.
But people have different personalities. But once again there was
some leader who was saying, this is why we're doing it.
And in order to get the message out, somebody has

(01:26:21):
to say what the message is. And you can have
different ways of going toward that vision of what we
want in the future, but people have to know what
the vision is, and that means a clear message. And
that's what I said. Martin, Luther King and others were
very very good at depth at getting that message out.

Speaker 10 (01:26:39):
Tyler, Yeah, absolutely, thank you again. I had the honor
of our helping organize to march on Washington. So protests
and they're at the heart of my love language. And
I always tell other young people protest without strategy.

Speaker 7 (01:26:57):
It's just a gathering.

Speaker 10 (01:26:58):
And as you said, and you know, if you got
no plan, you just out there for a walk. And
I believe that your book, you know, reminds us of
the rights that you know they were fought for, they
weren't handed down. And given today's climate, As mentioned by
my fellow panelists, what lessons from historical movements should young
activists keep in mind as they continue to fight for justice.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
I think one thing to keep in mind, and thank
you for that question, is that in my book, A
Protests History in the United States, you get to see how
there could be these these long term strategies. For example,
the time between nineteen fifty five and nineteen sixty five,
as there was a fighting for desegregation and for voting
rights that was ten years. Different leaders coming to the

(01:27:45):
four with different things, but they had the vision of desegregation,
they had the vision of racial pride and uprising of uplift,
and so there were different strategies involved. We know there
were major differences between Malcolm X and Martin the King,
but they were both looking at how do we lift
our people, how do we lift our communities? And so

(01:28:07):
I would say you don't have to have the same strategy,
you don't have to walk and lockstep, but the major
thing is vision. In order for us to have unions today,
there were struggles around unions. People lost their lives trying
to create unions, and for me, labor organization is protests
protesting against the way workers are being treated. It wasn't
just one way in which people tried to create a union,

(01:28:30):
but they had that as the vision, and different people
work toward that in different ways and strategies, and that's
how you got to that vision. So people need to understand,
as young folks, don't expect one hundred percent even eighty
percent of people. It's usually about ten to twenty percent
of people are going to participate in any type of movement,
and yet they are going to benefit from your struggle.

(01:28:51):
So get over that. It hurts your feelings, but that's
how it is. People are going to question your sincerity.
They're going to question whether or not you know what
you're doing. The lead doesn't necessarily have to be the
best community organizer. Then you know, there's got to be
some song that brings people together. There must be a
strong voice. There are so many different ways in which
talents need to be distributed so that you have a movement.

(01:29:15):
It can't just be one person. We look at marthin
Ther King, but there are many, many people who were
involved in that, in that movement to go forward. So
different strategies, different personalities of vision, and understanding the distribution
of work so that you can don't mind being a
foot soldier. Everybody can't be the chief. Some people just
have to be foot soldiers in this. So when you

(01:29:35):
think about all of that, and notice not going to
happen all at once. There are many things that may
go forward, but it's two steps forward and one step back,
two steps forward, and always look for the one step back.
And so you have your plan to do when things
go backwards, how to then pivot and go forward again.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
All right, folks. The book is.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
A protest history of the United States. Gloria Brown is
the author. Gloria, Well, surely appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Thank you so very much.

Speaker 7 (01:30:06):
Good luck with the book, Thank you sir.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
All Right, folks.

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I want the people that are trying to take this
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You got free health care paid for by the people,
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The same thing you have. That is sick and we
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Speaker 20 (01:33:17):
So it's our responsibility to return the healthier version to
our folks instead of just the red liqueurs marketed to us,
the red sodas and the other things. I mean, why
does the kool aid man have to sound like Louis Armstrong.

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Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Martin on Unfiltered Folks, The boycott target.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
Continues, but that is going to obviously impact the black
owned businesses with products in Target. Well, Assistance Media has
come up with an idea to help folks navigate that
and help those businesses. They've launched Shop Red Bag again.
Shop Red Bag. It is a one stop shop for
Americans who are boycotting Target and Walmart. Candy Carter CEO

(01:34:47):
Sisters Jones us right now, Candy, glad to have you here.
So how did you come up with this idea?

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
We know why? But what called you to say? You
know what? We got to do this?

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
Well, what's interesting is my company. What I do is
I do online stores for big media partners. And when
I was dealing with a bunch of the brands that
we work with, I saw the black owned brand struggling.
I mean they were just like, you know, there was
outrage on theline. Everybody saw everything on social media that
was happening, and I was just like, you know what,
I'm not going to be in these streets protesting, right Like,

(01:35:22):
that's just not my thing. But I actually have the
keys to this kingdom. I know how to set up
a store. I've got hundreds of brands that I already
work with, and we decided to do that. So we
sent out a big alert to all of our brands.
We searched for brands who either left Target or were
dumped from Target in other places, and literally within a week,

(01:35:43):
eighty brands were like, yes, sign us up. And you
know we're a small company, right, but it was just
like I was like, we have to do this, Like
I'm just one of those people. I can't sit on
the sidelines and just not do something right. And so's
that's where a shopread bag dot com started.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
And you said, eighty brands aligned and ticket they are
all different different types.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
Oh yeah, well, you know our goal is we have
a lot of black own brands. I think there's thirty
one pages of black owned brands in the store. And
so if you go to the store, what's really cool,
As I said to every brand I want, this is
a movement. It's not a store, it's a movement. And
you guys are talking about every headline, something's being erased,
Our history is being a rased, this person's being let go,

(01:36:30):
all the rollbacks, all the things. But we're not victims, right.
So like when you talk about the power of protest
right and in the first quarter earnings for Target, they're like, look,
we got to hit hard by protests it works, but
to your point earlier, what happens next? And this is

(01:36:51):
the next I mean honestly, to be honest with there
was a guy on social media. He was literally standing
in Target. I wish I could find that video. He
was like, what am I supposed to do? I want
me to boycott? What am I supposed to do? Where
am I supposed to buy? My dealer?

Speaker 11 (01:37:04):
My this, my that?

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
And that's what really inspired me to do it. And
so we have brands that fall under the DEI umbrella,
Black owned brands, women own brands, Disability LGBTQ plus and
you know, those brands have come together. We have toilet paper,
cleaning supplies, you know, all the things. And every day
we're adding more brands. I would say there's probably thirty

(01:37:26):
or forty brands still in the queue that we're getting
into the store. So it's an alternative right. We have
to change the way we shop if we want our
money to matter, and if we want to make a
difference with our wallet, because we can.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Indeed, questions from the panel, Rebecca, you first.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
Thank you so much for doing this. I have been
frustrated by some of the folks who, you know, they
do have their multiple lines and Target, and I understand
ef especially for those who have licensed their image and
likeness with the target, that this is difficult. But I
want to hear more of what is the percentage of

(01:38:12):
folks who currently have lines still active in Target versus
your overall I guess manufacturer, creators or small businesses that
you feature on your platform. Yeah, I don't know the
exact number we have. So if you go on the platform,
you can shop brands that have been impacted by the

(01:38:34):
DEI rollbacks. So if you click on that, you can
see all the brands in there that have been impacted
by You can shop black owned brands, you can shop
veteran owned brands, you can shop generally. But what's interesting
is every single founder has done a video in the
store because this is a movement. So if you go
on the store, you can literally click on the videos
and listen to the founders talk about their you know,

(01:38:56):
their journey, how the DEI rollbacks have been I think
what people don't think about, and this is what a
lot of founders told me. It's not just not having
shelf space. There's no longer programs to teach people how
to get into retail there were people who had started
deals or were promised entry into large retailers and it

(01:39:17):
just ghosted went away.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
And then there's the folks that were in retail spending
all this money to promote their brands and they weren't
being promoted. That's a whole nother story. So I just
think in the next like in these times, right, we
have an opportunity, especially black folks, with the amount of
money that we spend. We can see that boycotting stores

(01:39:42):
is hurting them. So where does all that money go? Right?
That's what shop red Bag is. It's like, make a
commitment to make your dollar matter. Your wallet is your weapon.
If you're not the person who's going to boycott, if
you're not the person marching down the street, this is
a way that every single time you spend money, you

(01:40:02):
can uplift the community. We all need to grow, we
all need our economy to grow during this time, and
we have nothing but opportunity.

Speaker 7 (01:40:11):
Tyler, Yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 10 (01:40:16):
I like that you said everybody has their role, always
said everybody can't bring the potato salad to the cookout.

Speaker 7 (01:40:22):
You got to know what your role is. So thank
you for highlighting that.

Speaker 10 (01:40:26):
My question would be what advice would you give to
young black creatives building businesses rooted in purpose but just
not for profit.

Speaker 7 (01:40:36):
What will your advice be for them?

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
Well, it's interesting because do it. Just do it. Like,
I'm just a doer, right, I have a son with
special needs. Six years ago I'm like, he has no friends.
So I started a foundation and it's called We've Got Friends,
and now we serve one hundreds of families throughout New Jersey.
I'm just a mom. I'm just a business person. And
it's like, if you have an idea, do it. I

(01:41:00):
always tell young people who work for me, like we're
in meetings and I'm like, listen, I don't care who
the idea comes from. If it's good, we're doing it.
So just do it. I mean it sounds cliche, but
it really isn't. Now let's just break it down. Do
one thing every day, you know. I always say to
let your day job financial dreams. Don't quit your job,

(01:41:21):
but just do one thing every day towards that thing
that you do and see if it works. You know.
But I think a lot of people get paralyzed by
you know, the idea of it, the fear of it,
and then they just never try it. But you'd be
surprised how simple things can be if you take all
of that fear away and just go, Okay, what's the
one thing I can do today?

Speaker 9 (01:41:43):
Robert and all that point one thing. Reverend Jackson always
says that we can't just boycott.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
We have to buy.

Speaker 9 (01:41:50):
Cot also imagine that we have to invest in buying
things in our own community. What you're doing is outstanding
around that. And this really dovetails into the previous conversation
when we were talking about this history of protest and
this history of black activism, because what many people forget
us are During the Montgomery bus boycott, people didn't just
not ride the bus. They were paying their friends and

(01:42:11):
neighbors and church means and community people to get them
back and forth. When we say we're not going to
your lunch counter, we didn't starve. We mean we were
going to Big Moment's lunch counter. You put money in
her pocket. How can we get the influencer economy to
understand that if we are all putting our creative minds
together and our creative outlets together, then we can go.

(01:42:32):
If black folks had got in behind rolland six years
ago seven years ago he got started on this as
opposed to diving in. Now that this would be rivaling
any of the big networks. So what do we have
to do kind of break through that almost post traumatic
slaves and where people think, well, it's not given to
me by a white hand, then I should have wanted.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
You know what's so funny? Roland is the best example
because I'm like, you own the black audience and news
in America to your point earlier, nobody else is doing it.
So if millions of people can follow Roland right on
this network, then millions of people can shop at Shop
Red Bag and stay out of here's my thing. If

(01:43:15):
you knew somebody didn't like you, right, didn't want you
in their circle, No, no, you wouldn't be jumping out
the bed to run over to their house. Think about
how hard Americans work for their money, right, We got headaches,
we're working weekends, we're so tad, we can't do anything,
and you really want to spend that hard earned dollar
with people who don't care about you. It's just it's

(01:43:38):
just mind boggling, right, And so you know we are
you know, we're actually going to New York tomorrow to
talk to young people, to you know, to really just
talk to people about what matters to you, right. And
I think now more than ever, I think people are
really assessing, like, how important is it for me to
spend my dollars with people who actually care about me,

(01:43:59):
who actually believe in what I stand for? Right, Because
I don't think we can just frivolously throw our money
around anymore. I don't think it's fair to us. It's
not and it's not going to be helpful to us.
And the only way, to your point, that we can
grow really over the next four years is to do
it together. And we just have to come together.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
Yeah, and coming together also means being consistent, you know,
I tell you all the time. You know, on March fourth,
when we did our the State of our Union coverage,
we had two hundred and fifty thousand people.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Watching us live. Was amazing, hundred fifty thousand watching live.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Well, if I look right now, you know, we're sitting there,
we've had almost four thousand tonight. But if we're hitting
two hundred thousand every night, we literally are rivaling every
all the CAB networks, We're rivaling those shows.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
And and what.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
Then happens is and what then happens when those folks
and so when they to your point, learn about shop
read back, learn about shop Blackstar Network dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Learn about these things.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
Now they are buying products at a faster rate. And
so what I keep saying is, and you know, in
one of our promos, you know, Jeff Carr says, bring.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
Your eyeballs home. We have to understand.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Wherever our black eyeballs go, our money follows.

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
That's right, that is absolutely right. And so you know,
for Shopredbag dot com, we are adding brands every day.
We have a section at the bottom. If there's a
brand that you love, tell us about it, We'll put
them in the store. You know, we're adding in a
like thirty skews of like shoe racks, and you know,
things fear to strain your vegetables, like all the things, right,

(01:45:47):
and so keep checking in. We're doing all kinds of things.
But the idea is this is an alternative, right, and everybody,
the woman who had the book, it was such a
great point, like you just go out there and pro test,
and literally everybody was like, so what were we supposed
to do?

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
Like, what are we supposed to do? You know what
I mean, and so for me, I'm like, all right,
let me be part of the solution. I'm not going
to get on social media and just complain. I'm just
gonna do something. And so now we have all of
these brands and more brands coming in and they're all
and like I said, if you listen to these guys
in the video, they're passionate. You know, they're like, listen,

(01:46:24):
the DEI rulebacks are not going to get us down.
It's not going to set us back. They are so
positive and so ready to say, let's do it together.
So it's very they're inspiring. The brands are so inspiring,
and they're all excited to be in this kind of collective,
in this movement together so that we can show that

(01:46:46):
we can actually lift these brands up.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
We can do it, all right, tell them a game where.

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All right then, Cantley, we shall appreciate it. Thank you
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Uh.

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And so you heard Kane just talking about the toilet
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And of course barbecue sauces, you've got popcorn, You've got
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Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
All right, that's it for us. Some stuff I didn't
get to, we'll get to tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
Let me think Tilt, let me think Rebecca, Let me
thank Robert been on today's show.

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She'll appreciate you all being on the panel, packing so
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And folks, don't forget you want to do continue to
s for what the work that we do, because we
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We are uh.

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We we shot a business pilot a last month and
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But the reality is you cannot do more.

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Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
I'll go ahead and read it that little time I'm here.
So let me pull this up. Let's see here.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
Christine Edwards said, I'm trying to so first of all,
Christine Edwards supporting us. So she hit me regarding cash ship.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
This is what she said. My name is Christine Edwards.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
I am a small business owner based in Charleston, West Virginia.
I was listening to your program and I heard you
talk about the National Baptist Convention Roland.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
What a damn shame. Listen, I will keep this short.

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Do you have the platform to call them out and
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What a darn shame.

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I'm giving one hundred dollars on your platform and will
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Thank you for what you are doing for our community.
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We want to cover.

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Listen, we're going to be out there broadcasting on Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
I'm going to show it to you again.

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Of course, Bishop William Barber and the repairs of the breach,
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Out up Moral Mondays in d C. Again.

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Again, we're going to be there broadcasting live on Monday
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Tomorrow right here on Rolling Martin Unfiltered on the Blackstar Network.

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It is now time for truth talks. See it tomorrow,
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